What happened to Ruth Pyne?
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2022
- In this JCS inspired true crime documentary, A 51 year old mother of a so-called "perfect family" is found deceased in her own garage. This episode dives deep into the details of the case of Ruth Pyne.
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A word of advice, If you ever beat someone to death, don’t go to a police interview/interrogation with your hands bandage and taped up.
@@markpalmer9844 that's for sure the best advise lol
I was wondering about that too. Good tip.
@@markpalmer9844 Ahh, but sometimes, beating someone to death, is the only option..... Not in this case, but sometimes....
You’d have to wear gloves to cover injuries on your hands if not bandages
The injuries weren't even that noticeable. He would have been better off just leaving them. I used to self harm and covering things up just caused more anxiety about people seeing. Just saaayin
Hearing his father speak gave me chills. He loves his son so much. It's so sad.
If he loved his son “so much”… the Father would’ve LEFT the mother the FIRST TIME she violently attacked their son…
But NO!… instead Dad wanted to keep his “good family” image… so he kept his children in the chaos… while he went outside his home to have an affair with a “side chick”…
He left his children in harm’s way…
Bitch, shut up. Lol
My father died when I was eleven. I believed I needed to "be strong" for my mother. I didn't weep at all and kept up a pretty good front. At fifteen, I felt that my mother was "strong enough." I cried, broken-hearted, as if I'd just been given the news. I grieved openly, "normally," for the following year. You can't judge grief by outward appearance.
I have the same story . My father died when I was 13 and besides crying for a minute or two at the hospital I never cried again until years later. I knew if I broke down crying my mom and brother would cry and I just didn't want face the pain. So I had to be strong and not cry. I'm still the type that pushes any bad feelings deep inside so I don't have to be sad. You would never know I'd just lost my dad if you went on my emotions. Just because people don't break down in tears doesn't mean they are automatically guilty.
When my grandfather died in feb 2021 his funeral was postponed until november 2022. I didnt cry until the funeral. It hadnt sunk in.
I'm in the same boat. My dad died in November just gone and aside from a brief moment on my drive home, I still haven't cried yet. I'm not one for big displays of emotions because I'm the eldest blah blah blah. I'm doing my best to just keep going as best I can for everyone else in the family. Usual story eh? Good part is I have the sickest job in the world and my dad knew how happy I am doing it before he died.
I hope you don't hold " strong fronts" anymore, as in trying to hide your grief type of way. I know people grief in their own ways that don't always pertain to crying but I'm meaning like when people hide their true feelings in order not to grief type of " strong front "
Except he has nobody he needs to be strong for, he's safe and sound by himself in an interrogation room with a stranger. I'm not a crier either but I'm not not-crying for show (I probably did plenty of grieving during the process so it was already out of my system), I'm just saying. Kids are terrified that bad things are their fault and take on responsibilities that are not theirs to take on.
"I think pills are sorcery"
Yeah that's why you need the pills.
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Pills are sorcery. John Rockefeller created petro chemicals and took over all medicine, education and history. Homeopathic and natural medicine the way.
Hard reality.
Lmao
If you walk into an interrogation for killing your mom, with bandages to your knuckles, walk in there with a lawyer.
Exactly!
I'd probably just not go
The thing is that walking in with a lawyer instantly makes you seem guilty af. Ask yourself would any innocent person walk in with a lawyer?
@@stevengiannakopoulos326yes. thats a very dumb thing to say. as someone once said, if youre guilty, you need a lawyer. if youre innocent, you REALLY need a lawyer.
@@stevengiannakopoulos326you should get a lawyer especially if your innocent so the cops dont fuck you over
These two guys who work at an orchard are named Pyne and Woody?
good one! these jokes write themselves
@sanisbd
I have a friend named Richard Payne, and he's the 3rd....
@@francus7227 lmao took me a second
Even if he did do it, the case brought against him is absolutely terrible.
This should have been an easy case, all they needed to do was assess the tracking locations from the trackers in her bloodstream to piece the case together.
@@eugenemurray2708 yea or remove the chip from her brain and download the data from it
@@eugenemurray2708 she was brutally murdered and youre making fun of her illness
It's done
HE DID IT and what he did was absolutely terrible
The testimony of his ex is outrageous. What a sham trial.
I can’t believe the judge overruled the objection for relevance honestly. Questioning a biased bitter ex about something completely irrelevant to slander his character in front of the jury should have made this a mistrial.
Definitely feels to me like the defense's objection was spot on.
I was thinking the same thing
I can get behind the narrative that the cheating is evidence of his "character" but what's taking me out is her forcing those tears out. Like why are we crying?
Not being emotional should never be a factor in a conviction. It should never even enter the discussion. When I found our my Grandfather died from my mom, i finished what I was doing at work, drove home, and then drove to comfort her. No tears shed. Does that mean i murdered my grandpa? That i didnt love him? No. Everyone handles things differently, and i'm so tired of everyone analyzing people's response to trauma like its a smoking fucking gun.
It can definitely be an indicator though snd has to be considered. ESPECIALLY when they are indifferent to being accused. If you lob out a gentle accusation like “did you have any altercations with your mum today?”, that’s direct suspicion of involvement, and it’s very common for a guilty person to latch on to the gentleness of the accusation and hope they can just glide by it, whereas an innocent person is way more likely to be like woah what the fuck does that have to do with anything etc. i take your point but it’s a very different situation
Same with the cheating hiw this makes him capable of murder?
That's a totally different scenario. Do you think you would have acted with the same lack of emotion if someone accused you of killing your grandfather?
A lack of emotion isn't absolute proof of guilt, but it definitely should be able to be considered by a judge/jury.
I totally agree with you. I had a traumatic childhood that has left me, as an old person, still unable to show emotion. It doesn't mean I want to murder anyone. It means I am unable to show emotion. People should stop assuming they know so much. I am glad to have read your comments, you are right.
When my dad died I was just in a state of silent shock. I didn't cry at all.
I don’t feel the ex-girlfriend should have been allowed to sit up there and bash the defendant. There was no relevance to the fact that he was able to “lie so easy”. If that’s allowed as an argument in court now, there is not one of us who wouldn’t be prosecuted, we have all told lies before. While I feel he probably did do it, I wouldn’t be able to say without any ounce of doubt that he did do this. Such a sad story, nobody “wins” in these. Bless this family.
if im his lawyer i cross examine her and make it clear she disliked him for cheating and therefore had a neg bias towards him. also made it clear he didnt admit anything to her
An ex-girlfriend testifying about him cheating on her in their early 20s is completely irrelevant. And everybody who cheats lies about it. How was that allowed when even previous similar crimes usually aren't allowed to be brought up in trials?
The focus here is not on the cheating part, but on the date he decides to reach out again to his ex, which is around the exact date when the murder occurred. They hadn't spoken for a month.
@@Miki-mo7tkExactly, the focus on him cheating _shouldn't_ have happened, but it did. And how is him calling her after his mother died suspicious? He reached out to someone he had an emotional connection with and seems likely he was seeking some support.
You can tell she was enjoying it lol
Male privilege/Female privilege.
My thoughts exactly lol. Wtf has that got to do with anything.
IMO, I think since Jeffery suffered from his mother's unpredictable violent rages launched at him, I suspect she attacked him again that day and it was the final straw. We can see how much he loved and protected his sister and I think he was worried about her since he wanted to move out and have a life (he sabotaged his relationship though) and she'd be left behind to battle her mother's outbursts. His mother may have started on him and followed him around carrying on and him thinking, "OMG how will Julia cope with her?" It doesn't mean it's premeditated if he's holding in his own reaction, worrying about his sister, then snapping and lashing out, like the whole overkill is in the head and throat, very symbolic of just wanting someone 'to get out of my head and shut the F up!'
I feel sad for him because it's obvious his mother's attacks on him have caused him to keep an unreactive demeanour, unemotional, dissociated appearance because he's an internaliser and they become pressure cookers. It's not fair to judge ppl on this 'blank' kind of response to a violent crime. This is just my opinion though.
When you're an adult and this happens, it's time to move out, not kill your mother. Remember that she had mental illness, not something she could help. Unfortunately, not taking her meds is also a symptom of that illness.
A man knows that if a woman or child attacks you, you remove yourself from the situation, you don't go nuclear on their asses.
May he rot in prison.
I have a sister AND a brother with paranoid schizophrenia and let me tell you/ I feel bad for him too.
He definitely didn't have a blank expression when they read his sister's letter, his heart broke there.
This is exactly why there needs to be caregivers in situations like this. The mom's inability to take her meds, (sounds like she wasn't going to any kind of regular therapy either,) created a dangerous situation for everyone. TBH I don't think she should have been in a caregiving relationship for children at the very least. I'm not saying she should have been denied complete access or anything, I just think a properly trained caregiver that could "handle" the Mom checking in on a fairly regular basis would have prevented this entire down spiral.
Personally my mom is pretty nuts, and it's not her fault, but it doesn't mean that it still didn't have a negative effect on me. I can't imagine if I had a sibling or some other responsibilities keeping me from escaping her home well before 18.
I’m with you on feeling bad until I remember the actual crime. Self defense isn’t overkill, the 15+ stabs to the neck *was* overkill. Smashing in someone’s face with a 2x4 also doesn’t seem like self defense when he cleaned up and probably dumped the weapon on his way to get out of there.
Stab 16 times .. You're not well if you think that's self defence lol sick
oooooof, the opening with Chris Watts...that footage is always SO CHILLING. Great job.
He may be the most evil of all these men I’ve seen on these videos. It’s a shame he did not get the death penalty. He deserved it 1000%. All that for a mistress. Absolutely shocking. His wife was beautiful. The children are beautiful.
Always a joy to see that goofy ass face right after he murdered his own kids. What a winner.
Never to be forgotten, right??
@@sidstovell2177 not when people romanticize him
Yes, yes wattsy my G
no murder weapon, no physical evidence linking him to the crime, plenty of reasonable doubt
No physical evidence, other than fresh wounds identical to weiding a length.of 2 x 4 and hitting someone very hard many times while not wearing gloves
Yet he is still guilty of the crime and let's be honest. That guy totally killed his mom
You have to offer a plausible alternative explanation if you want to convince the court of reasonable doubt. An explanation MORE plausible that that being prosecuted. There was no other plausible suspect. His hands were injured in a way that was consistent with wielding a 2x4, he tried to offer a false alibi, lied about the neighbor, staged a phone call, had motive, means and opportunity. and there was NOTHING to suggest ANY other plausible suspect. No signs of a break in, door was actually still locked. No signs of an intruder. No sightings of unknown vehicles or person in the area. No DNA or fingerprints not related to the family. I don't think people understand what 'reasonable doubt' actually means in a court of law. You have to have another, MORE plausible, explanation to offer. There was none.
I don’t think it’s very reasonable to doubt he killed his mom.
I’ve worked with pallets for over 15 years and had never even seen injuries like that. He worked at that place for years, after awhile you learn how to hold them without harming yourself. Especially if you are not wearing gloves….Those look like blisters , imo.
his ex gf is more upset he cheated then he murdered!? WTF
Well he hadnt been convicted yet
Which is kinda telling. Almost like the mother was known to be violent, and Jeffrey was known to be a frequent target of her attacks, and that one day she would go too far. It was like it wasn't really very surprising to the gf.
women...
This channel certainly lives up to its name. I’m staying awake too late watching these!
3:07 am where I'm at and I think I'm 9 videos in
Dude I've been binging allllll day for my lazy Monday
So, the testimony of a recent ex-girlfriend stating he lied to me about an affair and didn't properly structure his sentence when informing me of his mother's death is considered "key evidence"?! The neighbor was allowed to suggest his message was just a "cover"? And a former co-worker is an expert on hand injuries? I'm not a big fan of the "no defense" defense...but jeez this is some seriously thin evidence. I get the feeling that house had a lot of drama. Tough place to raise kids...hope the daughter gets the support she needs to deal with all this.
or, you know, he only showed a tiny portion of the evidence presented in court
@@jedross2136 male pattern baldness is hereditery
Lying about where you were and what you were doing during the time of a murder, creating a false alibi... Yeah dude, thats evidence....
@@slovnicurling9808 yeah his attorney failed him there and ultimately failed at getting him off. Not offering a different scenario for the murder is fine but to not attack, poke, and wear down the prosecution/ jury with objections and attack or discredit the witnesses (obviously acting a rehearsed interaction)by just asking a few follow ups or breaking up there thoughts. Challenge their stability by assuming their stupid or lying see what happens. Check the depth of there claims with in-depth questions. Infact the prosecutor did accidentally to the gf and she immediate dropped the sobbing and acting when she had to think on her toes... prosecutor caught on and saved her. But the defense failed and didn't give the jury anything to chew on, it felt like a boring one lane road and the jurors just followed it.
Was interesting when the lady he did side jobs for alleged that Jeffrey was trying to use the yardwork job on her property as a way to establish an alibi for himself. Whether it was true or not, it was pretty brazen of her to say that.
the neighbor said that, not the lady
Regardless of his guilt or innocence, I hope he gets some peace knowing that his sister won't have to go thru what he did growing up. It is a nightmare to live with someone in his mother's condition. I've been there. I used to sleep with my door locked and next to a baseball bat. Luckily, I got out of there without anything like this happening.
I feel you. This makes me so grateful that I was an only child. I basically just escaped as soon as I could drive and never looked back. I would have never been able to do that if I had a sibling to protect. My heart broke for him when they read his sisters letter.
He was protecting his sister. The only time he showed emotion was the victim impact statement. There is more to this story.
Omg! I never Thought of the sister being involved. However, I’ve listened To a couple UA-cam channels cover this case And for the first time ever, I believe (even if he is guilty), he never should’ve been convicted. I don’t know how the jury believed that they had enough evidence to conclude without any reasonable doubt that he did it. because like in the video -no DNA and all circumstantial. Even the judge sounded sad handing down the sentence.
Furthermore, I don’t trust the dad/ husband in general. Specially Due to the fact that even though his lawyer seemed pretty confident I believe they could’ve gotten a better lawyer for their son that had tried a murder before. And most suspect to me is out of everything in the house that he could possibly notice missing a 2 x 4 in the garage (picture your garage )I don’t notice certain things in my garage -certainly if I’m looking told to go through my whole house.
It Seems like everything is aligned so perfectly to the prosecution’s way of telling things and then of course at the end the jury gets a curveball because if they can’t prove one extreme they have a middleman and case closed no one else is looking to
@@MarinaBilotta Agreed. The prosecutor should have not been allowed to add 2nd Degree. Its the equivalent of changing the rules mid-game just because you're not so sure you could win otherwise. Like he forgot all about his task of proving motive and/or premeditation and needed an out to fill the void. Also, the whole circus with the ex. Sure, he's a d-bag for cheating, but cheating (on gf) != murder (of mom), yet they sure did milk it.
@@MarinaBilotta They didn't even really have circumstantial evidence. That they did not have a reasonable doubt is concrete proof they are brainless.
Possibly. Doesn’t explain why his hands were shredded.
@@chrisw6164 I concur, those types of wounds are very indicative of digging a hole with a wooden shovel in unforgiving ground. Matches perfectly with the 2//4 used.
The Ex girlfriends testimony had absolutely no credibility whatsoever. It was obvious that she still hadn't gotten over him cheating on her, and did what she could to bury him.
His Lawyer was awful. No competent lawyer would have allowed that testimony to go on without loads of objection. The cross examination was pitiful. She was on the stand giving opinions, which isn't allowed. If it isn't about facts in evidence, it's not relevant. How the lawyer just let her drone on like that had me pulling my hair out.
Guy might be guilty, he might not be guilty. The Prosecution did NOT prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, that's for sure.
That immature woman didn't know if he killed his mother or not, but she used her emotional pain to ensure the jury thought so. That is absolutely disgusting.
So true, the girlfriends story meant nothing but destroyed him and any chance the jury to think straight..
I agree 100% him cheating on her has nothing do to with the murder of his mother - just despicable that she was even aloud on the stand and the Judge was worthless too if you ask me... I don't think justice was served in this case.
I think it goes towards his credibility, she said prior to that she trusted him implicitly, but when he cheated on her he lied to her so convincingly so elaborately, he made up an entire story. She believed him and she knows him well, so if he was able to lie to her so convincingly then he could do so at other times so it was very relevant.
Exact vibe I got as well. I swear there is a hint of a smirk amidst the crying-speech. She straight up grinning smiled at the start of her questioning upon introduction, kind of inappropriate for a murder trial, unless you've got something to be happy about involving it?
I just had to watch more of her testimony before comment, bro she is *relishing* in this moment to have power over him.
100% belongs to the streets.
Imagine watching a 42 minute youtube video and having the audacity to think that makes you more informed than the jurors who sat through the entire trial and listened to all the testimony.
Guy is obviously guilty as sin and was very fortunate to get off with only 2nd degree murder.
I live in this area and a lot of people around here think he should get another trial. I feel so bad for the whole family.
I feel bad for his sister , not for a guy that have beaten his mom to death and not for his father who was the brain behind this crime against his wife.
I hope he wins an appeal for a new trial. Guilty or not, his guilt was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt with actual evidence. He deserves a new trial and a better defense attorney who knows how to object to bad questions lacking any foundation.
@@perpettersen2565 yeah well you don’t know that either now do you?
He absolutely deserves a retrial- the judge should not have allowed the lesser charge right before deliberations- the defense might have handled the whole case differently… big mistake!!
Maybe this time he could think up a plausible excuse for the injuries sustained swinging a 2x4 😄
After everything I’ve read and seen about this case, I don’t think I would have been able to render a guilty verdict. He’s a jerk for cheating and I get he wasn’t overly emotional about his mothers death but she was extremely abusive to the entire family. I’m sure plenty of folks have family members that if told they died we would secretly breathe a sigh of relief on the inside. That doesn’t make someone guilty. I feel like they just couldn’t come up with a good enough suspect so they went with the easiest target.
The easiest target also had fresh knife wounds on his hands and the motive and opportunity to kill his mom
I hadn’t heard about the trial, but *how* do you think the “real killer* got into the house without breaking in❓
*Why* didn’t “the real killer” take anything❓
*What* should the jury think when he doesn’t shed a tear during the interviews or trial….. but his little sister’s letter *had him reacting like the death of his mother SHOULD HAVE* ❓❗️
*Who* other than him had motive & opportunity to do it❓❓❓
I agree with you. The poor sister and brother. ... and the cheating???? I am sure this young man was a wreck over his home life.....
Room temp iq take
@@resevoirdog "Knife wounds"? Did we watch the same video? There were none.
The narration for this channel really serves to lead you deeper into the twists and turns of the story without getting in the way. Awful story. Great episode!
This week has been probably the worst week of my life, was diagnosed w epilepsy two days ago n i have my papas funeral tomorrow. PUT LEMME TELL YOU THE SMILE ON MY FAVE when i see this upload. Thanks again for your amazing effort!
Sorry to hear that. Pulling for ya 😌💪
You're strong and amazing 🥰
Hang in there. prayers from my family for yours.
Awww Bless
So sorry hun. Keep your chin up
Sorry for your loss. I hope better days are coming for you.
The legal defense team and judge that stood by and allowed an ex girlfriend with ZERO connection to the case to testify and spout so much hearsay evidence should be fired
I know this young man, I know his family. I have lived in Highland Michigan my whole life. I can honestly say I don't think for 2 seconds that Jeff would have ever done this to his mother. Ruth had a VERY serious case of Bipolar/ Manic depression. I knew her quite well. When she was on her medications her illness was not that obvious. However when she didn't take her medications, she was on 7 medications, she could be very nasty, belligerent, chaotic, and aggressive. I was at the store a week prior to this incident and saw her there, and I can say wholeheartedly that she was not taking her medications as prescribed. She started several arguments with other customers and had to be escorted out of the store that day. I never have believed that Jeff did this to his mom. I think she pissed off the wrong person at the store and she confronted someone who wouldn't let the argument go. It's very sad, the whole situation. I hope that the Pyne family is doing as well as can be expected, and Jeff gets paroled in a few years. He was convicted on circumstantial evidence that to this day, I believe was wrong.
If this is true… did you take this information anywhere else besides the comment section in UA-cam? Cause if you didn’t… that’s pretty pathetic of you. To believe someone’s innocent… and to withhold information that’s kinda important.
Lol he literally walked in with the wounds on his hands
He's guilty, but didn't deserve 20-60 years. It wasn't premeditated, just a nice young guy pushed beyond his limit by a deranged mother. It is hell living with a psychotic, unmedicated bipolar person. For years he had to shield his little sister and support his domineering and erratic mother. One day he cracked under the pressure and all the pent up rage spewed out.
Too bad the father sacrificed his children for his love of his wife.
16 stabs to the neck and repeated strikes to the head with a 2×4...from the garage. That's overkill guy.
Not to mention they didn’t even have any real proof that he did it.
And I agree with you there. Unfortunately, people like to throw all nuance out the window. They don’t care what circumstances lead up to the crime, they just want to see the person rot in prison for the rest of their lives. That’s why there are so many people in prison who killed their abusers too. Meanwhile, an old white dude can shoot someone for walking on his lawn and that’s just self defense.
But I think the point in this case is…..”Did they prove he did it”? I don’t think so.
What about how he coldly tried to cover it up?
Do I think he did it? Probably. But they sure as hell didn't prove it. Even a paralegal would have objected to those witnesses. The ex-girlfriend was prejudicial and not at all probative. The forensic pathologist Drew psychological conclusions instead of sticking to the evidence. The coworker was presented as an expert witness but could only give his opinion as a blue collar worker. He had ineffective counsel and should get a new trial. His father was right. The presumption of innocence went out the window, and I can tell you when. It was when the prosecutor stuck that girl up there and coached her to cry through her testimony of him lying to her. That was the moment when the jury decided he was a bad guy. He should have a new trial, with a competent lawyer, even if he is guilty. The entire case violated the most basic tenants of our judicial system. The one objection that I heard the defense counsel make, was poorly worded and then dismissed outright.
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I could not agree with you more. I’m a second year law student, and I found myself yelling at my tv.
I was thinking about the ineffective counsel part as well... I was half expecting a mistrial.
Yup
Ex girlfriend was lying on the stand. He probably did cheat and she was just getting back at him. On top of that, nothing she said led me to believe he killed his mother
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels, I’m a newish subscriber and I’ve been binge watching your videos. Your production and the content in which you’re straight to the point, filter out the nonsense and give us the facts of the case…. Bravo!
What does your faith have fondo with this channel?
@@cattnipp what are you on about?
@@cattnippshe said NEWISH lol
@@moohHa22pretty sure he read "newish" as "Jewish" because I thought that for a second, too.
Can I just say I appreciate your narration style and presentation of the case. Great content!
So as someone who just lost their mom a couple months ago, I can say my reaction and demeanor was somewhat similar and I only broke down in tears when I knew she was about to die and then several times by myself (still occasionally). I got to say that nobody can predict how a person is going to react- especially if their mom was mentally ill. I hate how people judge a persons reaction- ESPECIALLY SINCE HE KNEW SHE WAS DEAD!
I found out later that my mom’s death was probably the fault of the nurse practitioner in charge of my mom a few days later- my immediate reaction was very similar
Something similar happened to my mom in 2016 her Dr was out sick so they had a different Dr chose to take her off of
all of her pain medication and anxiety medication
she had restless leg syndrome diabetic neuropathy and a bad back and a weak heart...she was in terrible pain
she had a massive heart attack and one week later...her heart couldn't take the stress..she suffered horribly and needlessly..
It took everything I
Had not to punish that Dr...I'm sorry you have to go through this as I know how painful and angry It makes
me even now
@@charliehay1520 that's awful. My condolences.
@@678rwhp We don't all act differently though. There is a reason some reactions become cliche.
He still guilty though.
Same here, i lost my dad few months back and the day he passed away i felt nothing. Went emotionless for almost 2 days and then the 3rd day when i was talking to my mom on the phone i just broke down crying. 20-30 minutes and then i composed myself and i was back to my normal self. Its been months but there are still some days or nights where it hits me and i get emotional abd start crying. Rest of the time I am completely fine. My dad passed from an illness but i guess the cops can charge me too for a crime since i was not sobbing like an asshole day 1. Everyone grieves differently my dudes. Dont judge people for how they grieve
Everyone shows their emotions differently. I was holding my Father's hand and looking in his eyes at that moment he passed over on 15/09/1994 . My BRAIN was more concerned that he hadn't read the Get Well Card that I'd got for him 😔 it still feels like yesterday.
Don't worry, I'm sure you being there was enough for him to know you cared deeply for him.
I'm very sorry for your loss, hugs from Oklahoma ❤
@@Redwhiteandtired Thank you for those kind words 💖 I have tried to convince myself since that day and I have really battled with that look on my Dad's face on his last day on Earth. To hear someone else say that to me, really, you don't know how that made me feel 🥰 I believe he was seeing me at that moment 🙄 one Last time 💖 Thank you 🙂
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When my grandma died, I honestly didn’t feel anything. I thought I must be a psychopath or something, was so disturbed how I couldn’t even cry. Then three months later it all hit me and I was a wreck for weeks 🤷♀️
I absolutely believe he did it. The wounds on his hands conveniently showing up the same day as the murder…. His wounds also not ever something you’d get from lifting those pallets. Also, who did it if not him? He was at the house and left shortly after the TOD, no one else was there and there was no break in. It’s clear to me he is responsible.
Crazy the responses on this video. He's clearly guilty, and even though they did put his ex on the stand, there's almost no way anyone else would have done it.
i just think even if he did do it, there was no solid evidence to come to that conclusion. His life sentence was based off of speculation which shouldn’t be happening in this judicial system
Whether he is guilty or not it was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
As to the injuries on his hands weirdly coincidentally I was moving wooden roof beams from my old roof to the front garden at the weekend and sustained very similar injuries. Everything in this case is just opinion the only exception being the woman who he worked for saying he planted trees a week prior. But again that is her word against his. 🤷♀️ The police had no other suspects since they focused their entire attention on one person and made the crime fit their theory. I understand why and from how the circumstances were presented I completely agree he seems the most likely suspect but the evidence is far too flimsy for the verdict to be beyond reasonable doubt.
I also believe he killed his mother but I don't believe it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't believe he killed his mother and definitely not beyond reasonable doubt. The trial was a horrible joke!
This was extremely informative and highly interesting. I don't remember ever hearing much about this case, you covered it so well! Thank you!
Personally, I think he did it. We will never know why for sure. But did the prosecution prove it? No. But neither did the defense help him.
"We will never know." . Speak for yourself. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can say without a doubt, he is guilty.
Mushinn Innocent people get jailed and even executed all the time. If you think you absolutely know what happened you’re not smart.
Chrystal the poor job the defense did may be enough for a retrial for inadequate defense.
I think the prosecution did enough by establishing motive, opportunity, false alibi, wounds consistent with the use of a missing item in the garage, lack of any forced entry/stolen objects, or evidence of anyone from outside the home being there. It's not the greatest evidence, but combined with his behavior while being questioned by police, I'd probably vote guilty of 2nd degree murder as well. Good luck to the dad as he looks for the real killer.
Thats the definition of reasonable doubt.
@@thediscgolfdude8607 no they don't. The innocence project lists only 2000 to 2500 people who are wrongly incarcerated. None of them are on death row. That is less than 0.1% of the total prison population in the US.
Rush to judgement IMHO. Thought when I saw his hands bandaged that he would be found guilty. It simply not enough to have a scorned GF call you an easy liar. No winners in this one, prayers for the family. He won't have much of a life with 9 more years minimum to serve. If guilty, I agree he was protecting his sister. Thanks for the Upload always well done!
He has to serve 20 before he is eligible for parole
16 stab wounds to the neck and no blood evidence on the accused? An unemotional interrogation,a jilted GF, a senile neighbor, a jealous (or jilted as well) coworker ,and hand wounds that no one else got on the job put a man in prison. The jurors shold be ashamed.
slick da gave them that alt option, he knew what he did
Wow! Unbelievable! That jury has lost their minds.....
I’ve seen cases with more evidence and the defendant got less
Hmm, this one is a lil tough for me. Whether I think he did it or not, there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. Cheating on your gf, a coworker's hand injury "expertise" and a neighbor's "theory" isn't enough. Waaaay more to this.
Lol my guy...he killed his mum. Yes they didn't prove it. I agree. But cmon man. He killed her. You actually think some random crazed lunatic walked into her home at the perfect time, killed her, didn't steal, sexually assault, or destroy anything...and just left?
@@ALLAHDRINKSCUM That's not beyond a reasonable doubt. If he killed his Mother, how did he perfectly clean up all evidence from his clothes? There was a ton of blood. Not even a speck? No DNA under his fingernails, on his skin?
Sometimes common sense should prevail over substantial proof though.
No, “common sense” should NEVER prevail when it comes to something this serious. There are literally hundreds of cases on UA-cam alone where people have just had the worst possible luck and it’s only by pure chance that actual truth was revealed and saved them. There are many cases as well where the common sense” should suggest they didn’t commit the crime and we learn they did.
Forensics being as precise as they are these days should elevate the standards by which we convict people these days. If he did do it (and I believe he did) then there has to be concrete evidence out there, but the Prosecution did not find it, so there should have been enough reasonable doubt for an acquittal.
God help you if you ever find yourself accused of a crime and the jury of your peers just throw up their hands and say “ah, let’s just follow common sense”.
@@danejurus69 this ‘common sense’ assumption could also fall in his favour since his mother was clearly an unfit person in general and could’ve had it coming
I think he did it. I also think he wouldn't do it to anyone else if released. The father said that an innocent person doesn't admit to a crime, but they also don't spin lies during interrogation. It's probably extremely stressful living with a difficult, violent, unpredictable psychotic.... he probably snapped. Overkill.
False confessions are pretty common. 25 percent of people can be made to give a false confession and 20 percent of people in a study could be made to have false memories. Humans are very suggestible
To protect my little sister, I would of done the same. No meds and therapy can fix someone with BPD who doesn’t want help. they are very dangerous and unstable.
And the prosecution’s character witnesses are bs
You can think what you want about him doing that to anyone else, but I wouldn't gamble other people's lives on that.
living with someone so mental would drive me nuts. I really believe she quit taking her meds and he just couldn't take it anymore. I understand why he wouldn't move out. leaving his dad and baby sister to deal with someone so sick😭
Best one yet. Please keep making long form videos !
The court room footage makes this look like high definition 90s.
Same with “Woody’s” 90’s hairdo
Omg I see it haha
Lmao
How the fuck was he 21???
He looks 40..
I'm 25 and could pass for his son.
😅👍
The consequence of going bald 🫤
I'm 40 and could pass as his son😆
It's the premature balding, makes you look older.
That sounds like a paradox. His most believeable son would also be his least believable son. His son would have the same genetic factor to prematurely bald as well, which means you'd also look 40 at 25 and instead pass as his brother 😭
I have had hand wounds like him and I am telling you those are friction wounds not tear wounds. They start off as blisters that fill with fluid and that can burst and leave torn skin. Swinging a 2x4 over and over will give you those wounds between thumbs and first fingers from applied pressure combined with excessive movement causing these friction burns.
What a terrible court case. I can’t stand attorneys and this is one of the reasons why. Getting his ex GF up there to cry about their relationship was immaterial.
Do you mean prosecuting attorneys?
@@glossypots if you watch to the point, you'll understand his comment. I agree with him. She's crying he broke her heart, and even says couldn't "trust him" oh wait, "you doubted him", she then said, "he lied so effortlessly to me and my family and my friends, and a whole elaborate story to cover his tracks, and could look in her face, and my mom's face, and you knew his character, or the person he was, we couldn't fathom he could do something like that." It was all an attack on his character, and establish his propensity for lying and concocting stories.
Yes, from a scorned ex. Any good defense would have torn that gawd awful performance to shreds. “(Sobbing) he went on a trip… I…(sob sob)”
“Would you like some water?”
(Peps right up) “no thank you…. (Back to sobbing) I couldn’t…”
So his recently scorned ex was called to tell the jury he was a meany, that should have been called out by the defense.
Ha, you can't stand attorneys??? Just wait until you need one. Attorneys aren't just for criminal cases.
I worked in a lot of warehouses and I’ve moved a lot of pallets in my life. You don’t trash both your hands like that from pallets, all in one day. It just doesn’t happen.
There are a lot of things that happened behind the scenes in this case that we will never know. RIP lady.
yeah but you don't trash your hands from swinging a 2x4 either
@@HenryFordOfficial of course you would. The splinters alone would rip your skin, and with the force he would need to kill someone?
@@robjj5373 oh, but they said it wasn't splinters. They said it was blisters. And I worked in a shipping terminal where I had to use pallets constantly and I have gotten pinches from them. They're usually put together badly and you have to knock them back together and you can get a pretty bad blood blister from one of those things. Even through gloves. I've done it.
@@robjj5373 lol weakling, maybe if you have baby hands from sitting at a computer all day
RIP lady indeed lol
Definitely not enough evidence to reasonably find him guilty. Sad that his family have to go through more pain and suffering because of this. The prosecution had a better story and no evidence to back it up.
Yes there was,he was home alone with her,made up a story about planting those flowers on his way2work,when he'd actually planted em a week ago&the injuries to his hands were obviously caused by beating the poor woman to death with that plank.Guilty as hell.
I wholeheartedly agree. The ex-girlfriend is a huge reason for his conviction. Her testimony was compelling for all the wrong reasons.
@@simon-zh3qb Thats entirely hearsay. You can't prove when they were planted, she could be mis-remembering or even lying. You can't prove his hands weren't injured in that manner, you can only speculate. 2 pieces of speculation are enough to convict in your eyes? Are you 13?
@@papabaddad but fhs! Who else could it be? What are the odds of a crazy travelling murderer stopping by at that house? And the two forensic experts are just quacks? Those blisters came from heavy duty work with a two by four.🙄
What a coinsidence. No. He lost it that day. Remember,he were his mothers son. Mental flaws runs in family. He had a darker side girlfriends testimony or not.
@@papabaddad How can you make the assumption they could be lying...Your making assumptions as well and it makes you a hypocrit
Great video! Thanks for all the hard work!
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I think it’s pretty obvious that Jeff killed his own mother. The wounds on his hands are extremely suspicious, but it’s still circumstantial. I’m not sure I would’ve found him guilty if I were on the jury.
With only a injured hand & a suspisous voicemail it is not proven beyond reasonable doubt that he murdered his own mother.
@@lindseyb2586
I bet you think OJ Simpson is innocent too
@@danielburgstrom7489 I think it does meet the qualification of beyond a resonable doubt. There is no reason to doubt someone else did it due to lack of evidence from either forced entry or stollen items. Resonable doubt only applies if evidence shows there could be an alternative explanation, which in this case there in no evidence to show that. We only know he was at the house when she died and nobody else entered, this is through deductive reasoning, therefore he is the killer.
We don't know what other evidence was submitted to the jury either though.
and yet he had Zero blood or DNA on himself and his car
Bipolar disorder is no joke. It also runs in families. Maybe the son had it too. Who knows. Moods can definitely get way out of the norm when you have untreated bipolar.
That was my thought. The son had it too, and after years of battling his own depression and his moms, he decided to end her because he blamed her for it all. Just my two cents.
It does run in families, I have Bipolar as did my grandfather. We have never hurt anyone, taking medication is a MUST to keep your mood stable & I mean that from the perspective of not upsetting others with your mood swings. Side affects can be hard but it is what it is & you do it for those around you. She should have stayed on her meds, not that I think she should have been killed
Usually doesn't get diagnosed untill person reaches late 20s, statistics will show 27 as usual age person will show more clearly that help needed
@@lisamareepritchard6375 I’m also bipolar and agree with u 100% living this life is hard and I’ve been with my husband 30 yrs and been very bad days and ver good days but way back when I was diagnosed I learned u have to take meds even if side effects suck sometimes or just work with your doctor or find better doctor if that’s an issue like what happened to me along time ago. Mood swings can happen but u will get through it. I always reminding myself this it’s hard though. And I thank god for my children there’s teenagers now and they’re very responsible wonderful kids and know all about my mental Illness and about why I can be up and down some days and all that
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He probably did it and what his ex is saying is probably relevant, but it's weird that you can have someone you recently cheated on come in and attack you infront of a jury. "... and... and.... (sobs)... he farts while he sleeps...and..."
It's unbelievable that his ex-girlfriend was allowed to testify.. especially with the last name Freeman LOL.. it's almost like they were rubbing it in..
I don’t agree with all the non related evidence that is allowed in trials.
Their childhood for instance.
There is zero relevance between whether he committed murder of his mother or not, and his cheating on his GF.
@@MomentsInTrading yes the defense should have contested the friend and ex more, idk why the lawyer stopped after one objection he give up or something?
I’m sorry, how is it relevant that he cheated on his embittered GF. Please explain.
@@teddyjackson1902 she got fat and he cheated. She'll just keep on eating now
Dad is so right. Whether you think he did it or not, there is no evidence and there is no world where you can argue that he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidently the jury forgot about this stipulation of their sentencing.
As our societies IQ lowers, jury trials will become more and more emotionally driven.
@XablazedX I said the same thing! I’m sure it’s a solo opinion but I firmly believe being a jury member should be a “career” and a college degree based job! I think in a way it’s bias automatically because they know the grand jury indicted him and it takes significant evidence and can lead ppl to think they are already guilty even know a grand jury is not a technical verdict! I
Except of course that A: there was no sign of a forced entry, so it was someone who had access to the house. B: it was personal, there was a huge amount of overkill, so it was someone she knew well. C: he had the opportunity and lied about his movements. D: he had skin torn off his hands identical to welding a length.of 2 x 4 hitting something hard numerous times. So there's that ffs
I think it's more than clear that he did it. There's no other way to explain those wounds on his hands. I think that is beyond Reasonable Doubt
Its circumstantial evidence but it seems pretty clear he killed his mom.
This was Hella sad ngl. You make the best real crime videos tho. They have everything I'm looking for. Good job and thanks for making these videos 😊
I think the mother became a threat to his sister and he was, in his mind, saving his sister
I'm not sure of his guilt or not, but the end when his father speaks about his daughter, sister to Jeff, is sad to hear.
I don't feel convinced he's guilty
@@ckcdec78 good thing you weren’t on the jury then.
Missed you big homie, great video as always. Stay safe everyone 🖤
The stress of the trial and being in jail really took this young man's hairline real quick.
What I would say is unfair is having his ex-girlfriend testify when she had nothing to do with this situation.
shes his ex gf that he gave info to about his mothers death. of course shes part of the situation smh
@@acerock421she was able to demonstrate his lying side
What are you talking about lol
@@acerock421??? Her testimony was “he cheated on me and didn’t seem very sad for the ten second phone call I had with him” it’s absolutely not relevant to the case and there’s zero reason she ever should have been in that court room they were not even dating when his mothers death occurred
Unfair how? Lol
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I thought a jury's job was to judge on evidence not a hunch? My hunch was he did it, but evidence wise, no conviction.
His hands were messed up. He lied about what he was doing. His lack of emotion when finding out his mother has been murdered.
@@tubester4567 yet, no evidence linking him to the crime scene. I also have the hunch he did it, but blood and DNA is very hard not to transfer during a struggle... so, objectively, Guilty Beyonce Reasonable Doubt was not proven.
i agree there's no hard evidence, but when every bit of circumstantial evidence points directly at him, and there's no hard evidence pointing towards anyone else, it eliminates reasonable doubt, at least in my mind. could someone have gone in in that thin margin of time, left no signs of forced entry, beaten and stabbed someone they supposedly didn't know with the immeasurable hatred displayed here, stolen nothing, and left without being seen by anyone? i mean, yeah, sure, but it doesn't sound reasonable to me
@@Partlysomethin the wordplay and double entendre in Guilty Beyonce Reasonable Doubt, intentional or otherwise, is nice
While juries love physical evidence, especially DNA, it is never a requirement for conviction. Most people ARE convicted on circumstantial evidence, not the physical
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Who knows what really happened that day, and what the circumstances were. God help us all in this declining world.
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WHAT !!?? He cheated on his girlfriend -- Well, then he MUST have done it !!
Seriously, how was that testimony allowed ??
It goes to show he's capable of lying to the people you love. And convincing them of his lines.
And that's needed because his family believes he's innocent, so how do you explain that?
@@asafoster7954 every single person on earth is capable of lying. This kind of testimony is prejudicial and outweighs its value as evidence.
Great editing and narrating 👍
When Jeff was first talking to the detective. The detective says “you do a lil bit of everything?” But you captioned it as “unintelligible” idk why I’m so weird and feel the need to comment this but here ya go! I love your videos. Top 3 true crime channel, and it ain’t number 3!
I used to work at Sam’s club overnight believe you me every single day I would hand stack about 40 pallets and work with tons more. I had not once had an in injury like that. I have been stabbed by fragments of broken pallets but never both hands at the same time. Its just not possible to have that many injuries on your hands from one pallet.
Exactly.
@@ceedub619cameraman3 it does not, but ultimetly the jury would have looked at the fact he had hand injuries and that he was the only other person in the house as resonable to conclude he did it. It's all the circumstancials put together and a lack of evidence such as forced entry or intruder theory that point to him being the murderer.
@@mathewwu exactly. What would the reason be to lie about where you were if you were innocent?
I agree. I think he did it. I think after years of his mother being crazy and causing friction in the house, he basically lost it. The stab wounds to the throat were very telling.He was silencing her vitriolic voice forever. Its not an excuse though. If she was that bad, the father should have divorced her and taken the kids.
Congrats, you escaped an injury at your job. Please, tell us your forensic tests you did with human hands and pallets that determined this type of injury is 100% not possible? I'd love to hear it. Because the prosecution sure didn't have those tests either.
Due to the fact he used a piece of wood to beat her and then comes in with blisters is pretty telling.
Lovely tone of voice, perfect for telling awful stories! Thanks for your work.
I’m sore but this case has never been *beyond* a reasonable doubt for me. If the victim’s family isn’t in agreement with the prosecution, who are they “seeking justice” for?! I mean, was there *no* DNA on the wood/murder weapon?? If they allege that’s where his wounds stemmed, wouldn’t his blood/skin/DNA be literally all over the freaking place?!?
In the grand scheme of things prosecutors could give a rat's ass about Justice they only care about closing cases to further their careers... just look at how many prosecutors fight to keep innocent men in jail when there is enough evidence to exonerate these men
I disagree with the victim's family being involved. There are many cases such as Chris Watts or Niel Entwhistle where the defendants family will adamantly stand by their sons even in the face of overwhelming physical evidence even confessions that match the crime. The courts must remain unbaised, just because the victim's family don't agree with the outcome doesn't mean that should factor into the final decision.
Robin: murder weapon was never found. It was only concluded that the wounds where consistent of being done by a 2x4
Justice for the victim of course. His DNA was all over the place because he lived there. If he destroyed or hid the weapon, cant get DNA. His injured hands was evidence, he also lied about what he was doing at the time. His reaction to his mothers murder was not normal.
@Robin McInarnay DNA isn't that much use when it's from a family member in a family home. Your DNA will be literally everywhere. Dad probably doesn't have much animosity towards what his son did, as his dad was having an affair and leaving his wife anyhow.
One of the best episodes so far. 😃🤙
great video man
Sad. Very sad.
His mother's mental health wore the entire family down.
Jeff's actually crime was being born to a woman whom for sometime understood things, personally, we're not good.
Killing is hardly a solution.
The sole positive is he didn't marry that tearful cow. Her entire testimony was revenge. He cheated; she dropped him-move on, damn it.
A total tragedy.
RIP...Mrs P.
Interesting take.
Witch ex-girlfriend. And pathetic.
Boohooing because they weren't exclusive at that young age. Go away little girl until you grow up.
The blister wounds on Jeff's hands are physical evidence consistent with repeated motion with a club of wood (2x4). That evidence is difficult to overlook.
You’re consistent and persistent with the repeated notion I wish you’d stop being such a cartoon animal
yeah but its also consistent with digging, as he had been doing, planting lilacs. That's still circumstantial. I can't say for sure if he did it, but I can say for sure he wasn't convicted on any actual physical evidence.
Plus no objects stolen from house or signs of break in and he was home then the history of violence from her already established. She probably came at him and he snapped or he's been harboring major resentment
That was the only “evidence” they had. And nobody could dispute his explanation for how he messed up his hand. This trial was a joke.
The ex-girlfriend is the reason he is in jail honestly. She should never had testified.
No way would I be that calm if I was innocent and first being told my mother was murdered and then being asked if I was the one to hurt her!
The weight of the state vs an individual, let alone one in mourning is overwhelming.
The damage to his hands did not help.
Lying about when he planted the plants in the garden.
Also the Ex-girlfriend testimony definitely was a nail in the coffin. (Was her testimony relevant.)
Her testimony shouldn't have ever been allowed. If I didn't know any better, I'd say she framed him. Her hatred for him is concerning.
@@Shawnne86 why is it concerning? he cheated on her and you can see how hurt she was by it. It didn't really even seem like she hated him just that she was very hurt. also i have no idea what her motive would be to frame him lol. I do agree that her testimony shouldn't have been allowed tho, it was clearly just meant as an attack on his character to sort of prove that he isn't as nice of a guy as everyone says he is and that he's capable of lying, but its way too much of a stretch to say that that implies he's capable of murdering his mother. he was just a shitty boyfriend in a pretty mundane way
@@Shawnne86 it literally spoke to his character as a person, directly.
Her testimony was absurd. It was like using evidence of someone jaywalking to convict them of mass murder except cheating isn’t a crime.
@@briannnaaX no, it didn’t. You don’t know anything about them or their relationship. At best she’s a biased and hostile witness.
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What 4 channels do you watch???
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Wow tough case.. I don’t think the defense did a good enough job presenting reasonable doubt. This poor child was subject to a toxic mom who most likely abused him psychologically. Just being in a toxic home can push a person to the brink. I’m glad his dad stood by him throughout.
Jeff's response to mom bein murdered was like tellin someone the milks gone off in fridge so your gonna have to have your coffee black
Dad knows I think. Living with her was so difficult that he probably thought about doing it himself. All is forgiven, come home son...
What? Lol
Dad should have taken this one for his son.
I don’t doubt it. People who have never been in situations like this would never be able to understand or comprehend this being likely.
Hmmm.. it definitely seems the evidence was nowhere near of being beyond reasonable doubt. I have to agree with the dad just on the basis that I don't think he should have been convicted based on the small level of circumstantial evidence.
a lack of evidence doesn't equal resonable doubt, it's not resonable to throw out the existing evidence such as wounds matching the method of attack and you can deduce he was at the home based on lack of alibi. All the existing evidence points towards him being the murderer. Unless they find a forced entry or foreign hairs, stollen goods maybe then there's no reason to suspect it was an outside intruder.
I think I would watch the whole trial before I draw any conclusions.
The defense not calling an expert to dispute the rope burns on his hands was a really bad move
@@CC42_ The defense also did not call ANY WITNESSES (friends, family members, etc.) to testify on his behalf! Really terrible lawyering, in my view. How was the jury supposed to doubt the case presented by the prosecution if the defense did not provide any other testimony or alternate scenarios that would sway them?
He showed more emotion when his sister wrote a letter than the whole time of the fact his mother was murdered. That tells you something.
No winners ,, just sad all the way around ..
Thank You for sharing ✊🏻✊🏻
He may be a kind hearted person, but honestly, I think in the blink of an eye he just snapped.
There are indeed plenty of "perfect" families, in the sense of families that get along and live relatively healthy lives. They just aren't typically the families where someone posts a shitload of pictures on instagram or whatever. A lot of people who do that are covering something up or are full of narcissism and a desire for a picture perfect life. But just because THEIR life is a lie, doesn't mean there are no healthy families.
I suspect the message was more about those who are doing everything to appear to be the perfect families, especially using social media etc., as a tool of self-promotion. Great healthy families, as rare as they are, don't need to 'advertise their healthiness.'
Perfect video to go to sleep to. Thanks for the upload
I wouldn't be able to sit there calmly If I murdered somebody. I wouldn't even go through a trial at all. I wouldn't be able to take it! my nerves would be shot
mom: stabbed to death
son: walks into police interview with hands bandaged
prosecution: intensifies
Yes he did it. No he shouldn’t have but I can see how and why it happened. I don’t think he should have been sentenced to anything more than 10 years. He is no risk to the community.
You don’t know any of that, just like the jury. You don’t know what reasonable doubt means.
That's very interesting. I don't know how old you are but I'm assuming you think O.J. Simpson is guilty of murder and think that he should have been locked up for life because he's a monster and would probably do it again yet he hasn't hurt a fly since then.
went to spicer orchards every year as a kid. Great to know he was probably working there whenever i went.
When my sister died, it took me about 3-4 hours before I started to cry, I guess it had to sink in, but once I started, I couldn't stop, it was uncontrollable, like I'd be driving down the road, just fine and then, bam, had to pull over because of the crying, that lasted about 2 weeks, I didn't think it would ever stop. My daughter was graduating from high school the next day and I went, but ended up in the lobby because I cried so hard, just saying, he might just be waiting for it so sink in, or he did it