wow this video really does have a lot of hate! I don't get how people get butthurt about someone telling you advice, and they aren't pricks about it, its just funny how people have these amazing sound systems and completely ruin the experience by doing stupid ignorant mistakes, it's like having a Porsche and putting 87 octane and never putting pedal to the metal, I appreciate advice and even though I've had my Pioneer Elite VSX-42 for 3 1\2 years I'm still learning new tricks from these guys even
When you talk about how important bass is, the question is, what qualifies as "good bass" but is still not going to travel through walls or floors to bother the neighbors if you live in an apartment? I have an old Altec Lansing 5.1 with only a 5.25" woofer and I've even gotten complaints using that.
hello Audioholics,at minute 6 of your video,you mention about base management and speaker setup,do you have any website or any other video of yours tell that in details?i'm kinda new in this audio setup..so i`m still lack in knowledge but i really wanna learn to get the best audio experience from my audio device..
I work at Best Buys home theater and Magnolia department and I run into people all the time that have no idea how to set up their home theater system but my job is to help them get the right components for their setup and needs, I love how these guys spent a whole video trashing how people set up the or home theater but don't even give suggestions on how they should improve it, just a video full of insults
In the end it's very relative and it's also the personal tastes of each individual in that regard science does have a gray area. You can have generalized rules but it may not suit everybody's needs good video but I kind of disagree with some aspects of it. One other thing to keep in mind when it comes to any kind of audio reproduction people try to have sound reproduced either in their image of what they want reproduced or as close as possible to a natural sound and that's why you have an movies soundtracks to reproduce cracks brakes and whatnot the point is even speakers cannot completely reproduce a real live environment sound hundred percent yes speakers of came along way overtime I will say that we are in a great time to live in for sound better speakers were absolutely perfect there would be no reason for subwoofer speakers were perfect they would always fool you.
Ragingfighter1 People who don't want to take the time or have the desire to learn about what they would consider a hobby, shouldn't be hobbying in that area. Lol.
One of the big problems is the husband wants a nice home theater set up but the wife doesn't want to see ANYTHING so the husband caves in and now they have ceiling speakers .
my mistake- overkill. I have 7.1 system (with 6 floorstanding speakers) set up full blast in my 12x 12 apartment living room. Man, I shook the entire city block! LOL!
+trexx32 He would have 'simulated' surround. Stated, by Audioholics, not true surround as a discrete setup would give him. As you may well know, soundbars work off of useful trickery like bouncing sound around the room coupled with sophisticated timing techniques.
Excellent post Any and very true. DSP driven soundbars can give a good approximation of surround sound if you have the walls to bounce the HF effects. They still tend to sound a bit phasey but they are ALWAYS a better solution to just using TV speakers.
Jd Watson that one is really hard to get right cause unless you are building a room strictly for HT a lot of people are using what they have available to them
You mean to tell me that a cable wrapped in unicorn hide with the connections forged in the fires of Mordor wont sound any better than a $10 cable off Ebay?. Noooo way....
Lol, I've been into buying/upgrading audio equipment for 20 years...I've just now started really knowing what I'm doing. My system has gone to the next level in the last year (using the same equipment) just by following proper techniques and setup. My dad never was into audio/video stuff, so he never taught me that aspect of being a man. Lol, thanks for these videos.
Geez... Guys like you are why I stopped going to audiophile meet-ups. You know how you get people into a hobby? You approach them with understanding and a willingness to help. The entire point of this video should be to help people who know nothing get through the basics so they can start to enjoy the benefits of a little knowledge. You make people gain interest by welcoming them. What you're doing is the equivalent of pointing at the person who can't read and saying, "Idiot, how do you not know this already? It's so obvious," all the while not realizing it took you months to learn to speak and years to read. Maybe the people who got you started treated you the same way and that's why you think this is acceptable. But for me you're the type of person I have to defend myself against whenever I say, "Yeah, I'm an audiophile. No, not like that. Look, I don't really care about Beats. Sure, Monster's stuff is overpriced, I just buy cheap cables off Amazon, they sound fi- No I don't think anyone who buys headphones for less than $100 is throwing their money away, there are some good headphones for tha- No I'm not going to mock you for using Apple's stock headphones. I think they're uncomfortable but if they work for you that's fine it's about enjoying your music, who cares how much you spent?" That conversation gets really old. Thanks for helping make it necessary.
I consider myself a casual listener, and found their remarks to be funny. Laugh with them. And they even admit how silly they were. Look at the last part.
+Cole Cole To me, they're railing on themselves as well. I laughed with them thinking of my nineteen year journey. Grow up a bit...it's all right to laugh at your mistakes -- learn from them. Overall, there was a great amount of introductory information here. This is the point of their channel and the website. Goodness...grow a pair, kid. You're alive. Enjoy yourself.
The video heading is exactly what they talk about, the "average person" would make these "common" mistakes. Now I know what not to do. So I don't understand why no one found this informative.
All the comments here are talking about bagging on the average person. As a car audio installer let me tell you about the average person... They won't look up anything. They will not put forth any effort to figure it out for themselves. They ask me. I try to explain it and they look at me like I'm from outer space. So my question is to the average person. How do you think I learned it? I had to look it up. I had to learn it. Quit being lazy and thinking you know. Do some research and know that you know. The examples in this video are showing people that think they know or just don't care. There is a wealth of knowledge out there. The internet is more than porn and FACEPUKE.
Good mix of humour and basic information. Now I just need to go hook up my all Nordost Odin cabling to my Bose Acoustimass double cube setup and sit back.
I work for Cablevision and are always going into peoples homes finding the crazyest surround set ups, weather they have all the speakers in the front, all the speakers mounted at the ceiling or simply have a HTIAB with a passive sub 👈 (that one hurts me the most lol) and they have the thought to brag about there somewhat "system". Research is key!! Took me about 2 years to finally understand the fundamentals of a good home theater set up, and man is it hard to pass it on to someone lol. Great video guys! i currently have the Klipch Rp series in my home, just not the kliptch subs i have 2 bic f12s and i love it all!!!
So I'm scratching my head with regards to all the dislikes then suddenly realize - I think you insulted 90% of your audiences cables LOLOL. Well, it's up to them to do some proper research! Maybe they will save a small fortune and end up with better speakers, then come back and thank you ;D 6 years mind how long are they taking! Well what can I say, I appreciate you guys! You gentlemen train together ? (or did?) I can spot that pre recording bicep pump a mile away ;P And Wilson Fisk I think played very well by Vincent D'onofrio who also happened to put in one of my favourite performances as Edgar from MIB - absolutely BRILLIANT! As for my redemption my mistake was throwing more and more money at equipment instead of treating my room. My gear was good, I was fighting my room and just didn't realise it. (PS please help me out with regards to the question I posed on your nested bird post, about the Damping Factor on the two amps I have, there's SO FEW people you can trust in this snake oil ridden industry, I really have a dilemma about which amp is better for the Opticon 1 MK2 - A-S701 or RX-V2700)
I own my own Home Theater company and I can't tell you how much I run into this with customers. You do have to be careful telling them how bad their system is set-up. The "famous" ..... my nephew is an electronic expert set this up for us and I have to bite my toungue and just say...."that's nice", but this is how you do it right. After I'm done, they can't believe it is the same system. This is with customers that spent thousands of dollars on their equipment, but won't spend a cent to put it together right. It get's really frustrating. Btw, you guys are a little unpolished, but you are exactly right what you are saying. I've shared many videos of yours to "double" explain things to customers and I may have lost jobs doing so because the truth hurts....... lol
I set my cousin up with some cubes (not Bose, that's crappy gear) that sound amazing. I wish I could remember the brand. Grabbed them from BB Magnolia, set him up with a proper receiver to drive them and a good sub for fill. The system can't match the clarity and quantity of my towers but they do a good job for someone who isn't really an audiophile. The problem with the Bose cubes, IMHO, is the godawful tuning. For their size the emitters have reasonably good excursion but the boxes are vacuum chambers. Punch a 1/4" port in the back and the low-mids come back in strong. The problem then is they're just too small to adequately drive complex sounds efficiently. They don't have the strength to push multiple, varying frequencies at once. They'd be better off built in to appropriately sized micro cabinets with multiple drivers and decent crossovers. By the time you finished paying for the name you could just as easily buy a 5.1 Logitech gaming surround system (I have a 530 for my gaming PC in a small room) and use the surplus cash for a headphone DAC and a month's supply of your favorite caffeinated beverage. Maybe that's what Bose cubes are for: gaming surround in small spaces. That curvy UFO lookin' 'receiver' would pair nicely with a PS3...
Bunch of sensitive babies. Get over yourselves. Speaking from YEARS of professional experience, I can tell you everything they say is right. And their frustration comes from companies trying to make you buy stuff you don't need and the lack of education on the behalf of retailers. All they want is for people to get the most out of their equipment without spending money senselessly.
I really enjoy your vids - they have helped me learn or clarified a few things for me. I - unlike ZenoDiac - think it sounds very natural and unscripted, other than your basic outline. I built my theater up piece by piece over the course of several years, as inexpensively as possible. Inexpensive Onkyp 7.2 receiver, Matching Polk fronts and center (and Polk 12 inch sub), the surrounds are the same brand as well, bipolar surrounds on the side, normal surrounds on the back. My son and I built our platform ourselves out of 2 x 8's and OSB and then stuck insulation in it to keep it from rattling. We also built 2 ft x 4 ft sound panels for the walls and put more panels behind the front speakers and in the corners. Finally, we deadened the back wall as much as possible with heavy black drapes, because the entire wall was full of windows that caused crazy echoes. After re-calibrating (and modifying for me - I need a little more voice audio out of the center for my deaf self), I think it sounds really good. I honestly think the sound panels made the biggest difference of all of the work. Any ideas for tweaks from you guys would be much appreciated! I love tinkering, but I am always learning.
I understand the frustration when people do things wrong, and I get what the overall message these guys are trying to say; but I also understand there is a reason why they are the pros and regular people aren't. I don't get why these two would sit there and laugh at people for not knowing, when they clearly make money informing others. My grandpa is an audiophile who taught me early on about speaker placement. But I don't go vegan on every person I meet who's surround sound is all out of whack. You just make people less likely to want to listen to you by attacking them.
I agree. Not to bash you guys but TheMovieEditor is right. You points are all good, but your delivery needs some work. Perhaps splitting the list between the two of you instead of having one guy just accepting what the other says is an improvement. Make the list sound decisive, not appear as if one made it up and the other is just following along. A good script is in order.
Like it was said, we all make mistakes. Refine the delivery so as not to make it seem like you are laughing so much at people. I'm not offended but you know some people take it to heart... Curious how many friends, neighbors and relatives are nervous about letting you guys "look" at their home theater system. Haha, funny thinking about it. That being said I love your advice and plan to "correctly" calibrate my two Cerwin Vega subs...and consider the throw rug on that hard wood floor. We do have a sound warping living room shape, will be looking for sound room schematics that come close to our room design...see if there's some additional things I can optimize.
The common mistake that I keep finding is that some of my friends and family that have an surround sound system is some of them have theirs set to Dolby Pro logic.
About 20 years ago I learned that there are exactly 2 kinds of listeners in the world.... 1. People who view audio recording and reproduction as an art form. 2. People who view audio recording and reproduction as a science. If you don't know which one your are.... just add money.
WANGLEtech and component/composite cables can transfer 1080 hd....its not as good or clear as hdmi but it does do it. not just 480i like dude in the video says.
It's only 480i when using a single composite video connection. You can get 1080i using component video assuming your source device will output 1080i from that connection. NONE of the newer Blu-ray players do this unfortunately b/c of the Sunset rule. What we said in the video is accurate.
Fellows, you missed a big big big big big one: placement of the monitor. I have seen more monitors placed over the fireplace than you can shake your fist at. A big SMH. The monitor should be mounted at seated height, eyes forward. Placement of the monitor too high can cause neck strain. Unfortunately, most house’s are configured in such a way that you aren’t able to optimize your experience. So a really expensive solution is to reconfigure a room or rig up a man cave in the garage, or if you’re rich, add an audio room. Lots of new houses have fireplaces right smack dab in the middle of an otherwise blank wall, so I would opt not to have the FP.
Decades ago the company I worked for did finish work in a 22,000 sqft house with a home theater that had really plush 'stadium seating' for 35 people, that was something. And no fireplace in that room. We did a lot of work on theaters as well.
where was the advice . they were just down talking . People like this dont want to help they just want to show you "what they can do" ....complete assholes
I have enjoyed a lot of the videos from this channel. I am at a loss to understand all the negative comments on this one. I have noticed on blogs the condescending hateful attitude of the Watt Nazis and Ohm Orcs. If you don't say exactly what they want to hear, they will get you.
That is so true what you guys say. I am a Dolby Atmos (Onkyo HTS 7700) owner and when I set up my speakers, I did not use the reflective ceiling part of the speakers even though a had a good 12 ft ceiling for that. I remembered professional audio systems. If I want sound there put the source there, so took a pair of Kenwood satellite speakers from and old HTIB system and used those for the ceiling and I could not be happier. After the room calibrations by the AccuEQ and some small tweaking of my own... Great!! Thanks for the real advice and not being on the bandwagon..
Nice effort, but you're spitt'n in the wind. I can safely say that somewhere around 90% of the TVs I've viewed in friends and relatives homes are configured incorrectly. They think they're watching HDTV. They're positive. And they're always wrong. Cable companies insist on enabling both low and hi def channels, and customers go to the low def, because those numbers are more accessible. Often, the high def signal is not selected at the source device. And, to add more confusion, aspect ratio settings are chosen as if this is a matter of taste, and not a matter of best and bad. Good grief. Getting to the conversation about low level calibration is another lost cause. TVs are invariably set to offer the brightest picture under the worst situations: competing with full daylight. The idea that maybe a 2nd setting for more typical low-light, or night-time viewing, might provide a cinema-like experience is an inconvenience beyond consideration. The price I pay for trying to help is actually quite low. I get oodles of home-theater envy. "What TV/projector are you using? What are those speakers? Wow. This must all be wickedly expensive." And the answer, of course, is "not really." Even my least expensive setup over the past 30+ years has looked like a million bucks. It's all in the extra effort to set it up correctly.
This is one of your best videos, cable religion, absolute gold, laughed so hard I thing I may have laid an egg. I'm glad I'm not the only one that experiences these people. Just yesterday a guy at work was telling me about these special ie. power cables that cost $6000. I laughed at him so much he doesn't talk to me anymore
If you're referred to as ignorant it doesn't necessarily mean they're implying stupidity also . They would be trying to help by pointing out the fact you don't know what the hell you're doing !! My mistake , asking a small set of high end front speakers in my bedroom to deliver performance they weren't designed for . Remove , add tower speakers = lesson learned / problem solved . So now ya know . Thanks for all the vids , nice work guys ........
I see a lot of hate on this video, seems to be coming from people who have a hard time accepting criticism. It's just stereos people, don't be so sensitive. I thought the video was light-hearted and fun with some good info
+Anton Roig This is obviously the first video you watched from us else you would know the majority of our videos include proper set up and installation tips. Keep watching.
Oh the guys are not pricks, they are just being brutally honest. I am sure there are people who stuff the speakers into cabinets because they mar the looks of the house! You know the one I am talking about! If you can't take dollops of honesty, you should not even be here. If you went into a shop because you wanted a HT because you want to keep up with neighborhood and show off, well there you go!
This might be insulting if it weren't true. I've seen these same things. My uncle had an HDTV connected to his satellite receiver with composite cables. He had no idea he wasn't seeing HD. Definitely seen the speakers on the wall next to the ceiling for the fronts and backs more than once. It's really common to see people buy this expensive stuff but do no research as to how to connect it. There's no shame in ignorance but it is funny when you think about it.
to all the audio fanboys out there, im gonna tell u about ur future and its gonna hurt. ur never gonna be satisfied with the sound, and ur gonna keep wastin money on new equipment for the rest of ur life.. there
+asdf Some people have hobbies other than you. Funny, I've seen this comment not too long ago in another audioholics video. If you don't like them, don't watch. But don't tell us what to do, its our hobby. And our systems most likely blow yours away.
+Dick Fantastic A big thumbs up he probably have those little bookshelf speakers and a am fm radio. ive hade some audio systems in my day.legacy speakers for over 30 years.a carver amp for ten and then used krell equipment and that system was and still is the best
+Danny Miller I bet he only listen to the AM on the radio dough. No distortion means no joy for him. I can tell just by the structure of his comment full of "gonna".
+asdf Ur is spelled your. Also, capital letters are still proper grammar. Not to mention, adding a g to in... makes you sound intelligent, not cool, but, intelligent.
All good for people with dedicated rooms but the other enthusiasts who have to integrate their setup in a living room for example can't always put speakers exactly as they should be or belong especially when you have a wife lol
I'm sure these two mean well but there was just too much giggling and horsing around and not enough solid advice. Most of what they were saying was denigrating various people they'd met instead of EXPLAINING where they went wrong in a way that isn't patronising. Very disappointing.
I enjoyed the comment about having two center channel speakers as being "ghetto". Living in the ghetto is problematic enough, now we are stuck with two center channel speakers. We're never getting out of here!
Can you help me with the following: I'm renovating my bed room (20x29) And I want to add a love seat recliner on the mix. A bed may be there lol. Seriously, I want to know what type of speakers to buy and where should I place the speakers. The floor type: tile floor/ Ceiling: sheet rock. Wall: stone I'm listening to you guys on adobe atmos. Which is better atmos 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 or 7.1.4. I'm thinking about the 5.1.2 I'm not sure...I wait to hear from you. Also not I'm doing the renovations now, and I'm running wiring now. Want everything to look clean. Please help
question... IM running my Theater ( Entertainment system source) MACPRO 2012 with 1050Ti Video card to my Sony 55X900E HDTV and using toslink audio to my Yamaha V1900 receiver... since IM bypassing the receivers HDMI ( which is not 4K passthough and sending video only to TV, am I missing all my surround Features?
Hopefully I didn't screw up too bad. Marantz SR7011, Klipsch RP-280F towers, Klipsch RP-450C center, Klipsch RP-250S surrounds and Klipsch R115SW. Using OFC 12 awg wire with closed screw banana plugs, hdmi are all 18 gbps rated. The room is large, 20x30, but I am only using 12 feet of the width and 15 feet of the depth. I have an 11x15 area rug to cover the hardwood floors. Source currently is an Xbox One S but I plan to upgrade to the Oppo, in terms of display I am torn between a 75" Sony XBR850D and a 65" LG OLED B6P. Would love input!
buy what you can afford and what you like or what sounds the best to you. f**k other people's opinions it's your sound system if you like it that's all that counts.. I have a system that most audioholics or seasoned audio community vets would look at and dislike but will out performer most of the expensive equipment out there. I have a Onkyo 7.1 receiver.. All my speakers are car audio in customer built boxes and I have a 2,000x2 American bass class D amp for my subs.. everything else runs straight off of the Onkyo and works beautifully... So my front speakers are towers that each hold a Audiopipe passive 3way crossover, 2 American bass VFL8D4 8" subwoofers, 2 American bass MX8DB 8" mid-range speakers and 1 American bass MX444T Tweeter... My center speaker is 2 American bass SQ 5.25" full range speakers and a MK444T Tweeter... my rear channels have one front mounted and one bottom mounted SQ 5.25" full range.. I have 2 subwoofers with down firing 2000 watt American bass XR-10D4 10" subs.. honestly better sound than any movie theater I've ever been to and it plays sharp clear music with a hard hitting bass line
A big one is not knowing what your buying. Do some research before you slap money down on a surround sound. So many people I see have surround sound and I look at it or just listen to it and I know it's just setup all wrong. And the person who bought it knows no differ cause they didn't do there research
english is a great language. shame these 2 guys..presidents dont forget. cant speak a word of it...cheeeeeeeezzzzyyyy ...really...????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Client: I really want to use the new tech.. you know, like Bose.. Me: Nah, that'll sound like weak overpriced sh-t. I can't even work with that, it is fundamentally wrong, sacrificing the actual joy. Client: But they are small and effective! Me: You are on your own... Closes the door assertively. Humane people don't help other humans set up Bose.
I picked up a Yamaha TRS-7850 from Costco and two Definitive Technology BP9020s and a CS9040. It’s a standard size den with room for coach, love seat and entertainment center (12.5’x10’). Seems to fill out the room very nicely. What do you ghink
People pairing up the wrong equipment and end up with total shit....sometimes, very expensive shit. Many of the problems producing bad audio is the room....don't compromise by doing nothing.....compensate for the problem. In an overly live room, for an example, having an amp that provides "that extra bit of detail on HF" is not a good thing, if the room is too live, taming the HF is what is in order. Using room correction is one way. By lowering the HF rolloff will rid the room of too much HF energy. And the output will be much smoother, not fatiguing. If you have speakers with UHF radiators in a live room, give some thought to disconnecting those tweeters and just go with the HF tweeter...UHF tweeters was nothing more an a marketing gimmick upon the arrival of of SACD, DVD-A, claiming 50 khtz output. Give some thought to what is needed, depending on the room, before popping out your cash.
I still use Pioneer VSXD411 series AV's. I couple it them with Pc's that have sdpif output. I put speakers just above standing height mounted to walls(no tripping on them) and a single powered KLH sub. I am one of those who will never use Horizontal Door Media Interface. I say that because it is a copy-protection gimmick, and the idiots that came up with widescreen and 16x9 are oblivious to the fact that the human eye has much more height perception than trying to watch a movie from under a closed door through the gap on the bottom. 5x3 would have been a better choice in my opinion. My brother bought a 40 inch lcd and it has the same height as a 32 inch 4x3 tv. A 16x9 would have to be really wide to get the same height as my 60 inch 4x3 rptv. I would rather use dvi-i than use that cheap fragile cable. Even a VGA d-sub connector has very high resolutions given the video card can handle it. I will never buy Blu-ray either because it is a dying technology with digital files and streaming being the greener solution. I also think anything above 5.1 is also a sales gimmick. Having a rear mono channel on top of 5.1 as in 6.1 and higher is not needed. That is what Dolby surround is for. I do agree with the mistake of buying into marketing fads when you have something that works. Keep in mind a receiver's main job is to amplify and switch audio. Last thing is most people I know could care less about the idea of HD video or audio, all they care is to sit down and watch something. Rather they use a microscope to watch on a phone or play a VHS, or whatever. Also nothing is obsolete as long as someone is using it.
This has not much to do with setting up a home theater correctly. I wanted to share this with somebody who would enjoy what I about to tell you. I buy a lot of reel to reel pre-recorded tapes on Ebay. I know they are at the end of there life span. But so am I. Most of the time the recordings are hit or miss. I have two really good Revox open reel recorders. One is a B-77 4T and the other a A-700 2T machine. I just received a Frank Sinatra Trilogy set of tapes. They were recorded at 3 3/4 speed. I did not know that until I got them. I guess I overlooked that before the purchase. I usually only buy the higher speed. Most of Frank's recording are 7 1/2 and very well done. I was worried that the sound quality would suffer because of the lower speed. Remember that these were the CD's of those days. Most of the time they were the best recordings you could buy. So I started listening to each tape. I was blown away at how great they sounded. I have a very high end vintage system and thousands very well made records and CD's. I could not believe how good the sound was from something recorded so long ago. Now here is the kicker! I was looking at another tape recording on Ebay. It had no song list, but it was a two track recording which are very rare. So I did a search on Google and found the same listing in different languages. Then I came across an October 1958 issue of High Fidelity Magazine about how poorly stereophonic sound was. I know how much you guys don't care for Dolby Atmos especially when used in the bouncy house method. Or with most other ways except the encoded material on Blu-rays. His name is Robert Charles Marsh - Chicago Sun-Times. This his quote: " Right now I am confident that in 1968 I probably shall still own some 78's, that Caruso recordings made in 1903 still will be available --- and selling --- and that many of the finest discs of the long-play era will be able to secure listeners. Stereo , for all its promise, is a new medium, emerging in a boom-town ATMOSphere in which people talk casually about four-channel 3 3/4 - inch tapes --- although no one seems to be marketing them --- and manufacturers are plugging the goodies they have to sell, hoping to distract you from the things they don't offer you." This is just one small part of the article. I thought maybe you would get a kick out of this. So stereophonic sound was the new unproved format. I guess what goes around, comes around again. Also this not meant to knock anything you are doing. Or to make any people mad that listen too or collect 78's. I should know about dead formats. I still watch and collect laserdiscs. Also I love watching your videos. They are very informative and help me gain a lot of knowledge before making a purchase. I am trying to decide on a full featured, top of the line A/V receiver or pre/pro right now. It is a very tough choice to make. Yamaha, Marantz, Onkyo, Integra, Denon, Sony, Anthem, and Emotiva --- I am totally confused on which one to get. Thanks from all the wonderful work you do on your site.
I have a yamaha av system with Fluance avhyb box speaker set and a powered supbwoofer. My question is how much sound improvemnt would I hear if I got some Klipsch V 5.0 to go with my yamaha a/v reciever vs the 250 fluance towers, center and bookshelf 5.0 speaker????
battery on the cable? I hope you're making a joke about ferrites and don't actually think that's a battery... also you guys are talking all this game about tech but your video looks like it was made in the 80's. not trying to hate, just saying its a little hard to take this seriously when your video looks like you have no clue what a/v is.
Been doing the home theater thing for about 5 years now and made quite a few of the more technical mistakes mentioned. No clue why people are down-voting this video, but if I had to guess it's because they are not comprehending the subject matter within the video. Perhaps smaller words and some awe-shucks would help. Or perhaps, Goofy's How to Hook Up Your Home Theater (ua-cam.com/video/hXdFqkPo8xY/v-deo.html) would be more appropriate for some. Wish I'd seen this back before I had to learn all of these things through trial and error (many, many hours of trial and error)!
Hi Audioholics, I just bought a pair of TSI 500 with matching center channel speaker (CS10). You mentioned in your video that it's not wise to to put the center channel on the floor. Unfortunately, I have no choice. I was thinking of buying a stand and pointing the center speaker upwards towards the listener. What do you suggest to people who have no choice but to place the center speaker on the floor? This dilemma would also apply if I were to put the center speaker above the TV....I would then have to point the speaker downwards.....Thanks.
I laugh too. But it's a laugh of pain and frustration. I get these guys. I help people all the time and I encounter similar issues over and over and over and over again. And they think you're crazy for helping them setup their system properly. Sometimes they change it back when you're not around. This happens every time with TV sets. People love those factor "torch mode" settings.
I have a Onkyo TX-NR 636 that has died the power supply tripped and now I need to replace it. So I was thinking about the Onkyo TX-RZ 820 or the new Onkyo TX-NR 686. Which do prefer
8 years ago I had made the horrible mistake of putting all my money into the newest technology for AV Receivers. With the left over money I bought my speakers which at the time were polk audio cubes. Moving into a new house soon and left behind those horrible speakers.. Cant wait to buy better speakers and two subs for the new tv room. thank god my neighbors are far from my house...LOL
Good info, but don't talk down to your followers/Customers. Been in Sales for over 25 years and honestly this Video has good info, but you have to look past the smart A$$ Comments. Just a suggestion. There is away to explain all of these without giving negative example like Home User is an idiot.
Hi Guys, great video, i'm running a Denon Avr-x2000 receiver powering a set of boston acoustics cs23 speakers and sub. They are currently mounted from the ceiling and point down to the listening position. The Center is under the Tv on a tv stand though. They are in a 15 x 15 living room that is open to the kitchen and dining room. Do you have any recommendations for better sound in a setup like this, and is it ok to hang speakers like that and point them Down. Thanks,
I agree!! I am someone how knows a good amount about surround sound and theatres. but you show is offensive to most!! why are you two joking so much!! just give facts and help people learn!!! Would you like if you want somewhere and they laughed at you for asking pro advice?!?! people watch you for advice, stop laughing at them!!!! wow
I have had the speaker wires backwards before. Then another time had bad RCA cable from tape deck that took some figuring out. Here is what I find, I don't like the center channel. I always turn it off I don't like sound just the voices out of that speaker. I just use the 4.1 setting by disabling the center channel. Eventualy I want to get a nice sound bar. Hope I get better sound with that.
You mentioned Brighthouse and FiOS boxes and that puts you into a pretty narrow territory. Hey you're local to me! We probably drive past your place once a month as my in-laws live just up the road from ya. Not quite as good as the fellow AVSer who lives two houses down, but still that's pretty local in this game.
The thumbnail is exactly how an amateur would set up speakers lol But it's ok, a lot us were there when we first started. Helpful video with a bit of humor. Nothing wrong with that, hate is unjustified. Also, If you add a throw rug make sure it's not in front of the L C R speakers because it will absorb too much of the sound.
I am someone who worked setting up custom home theaters, $100K+ and find it always interesting to see other peoples points and their advice. This video was one of the worst I have ever seen, just insulting people because "they are not doing it right". Can I have my 12 min back ?
In all forms of honesty, doesn't atmos technically compress the audio? I'm guessing it does because HDMI is only capable of sending 7.1 tops and atmos adds 4 extra channels out of nothing. If that is the case then we are basically going right back into the lands of optical 5.1 for what is for something that is for the most part a gimmick.
making jokes about common mistakes. I'm upset and triggered. if your into audio stuff this stuff is funny. calm down. it's shit alot people do in the beginning.
I'll admit, I don't have surround sound but I'm satisfied with stereo. My mistakes are the room acoustics and speaker positioning. In all fairness, I can't do anything about speaker positioning as a result of the way my room is set up. I can't get a good listening/viewing angle and have the bed in my bedroom not placed in the middle of the room. but I could get a rug and fix my other issue. Shame on me.
Considering the Def Tech BP8020 Stand Towers. Would it be better to set the towers to large in my receiver and connect with just speaker wire or set them to small and connect the LFE subwoofer cable?
I still prefer my son bdvlz1000w it still looks really nice ant the sound is still top notch. big thick carpets big sofas wallpaper furniture all works well with sound. and yes newer isn't always better. my old system is about 20 years old doesn't even have a hdmi lead. the thing is a beast though. nothing compared to my newer one though
why are you two complaining about the way people place there speakers some homes are shaped different and i have my center speaker on the floor and it sounds great i have no prob you pick on others instead of telling some usful info your so helpful not
wow this video really does have a lot of hate! I don't get how people get butthurt about someone telling you advice, and they aren't pricks about it, its just funny how people have these amazing sound systems and completely ruin the experience by doing stupid ignorant mistakes, it's like having a Porsche and putting 87 octane and never putting pedal to the metal, I appreciate advice and even though I've had my Pioneer Elite VSX-42 for 3 1\2 years I'm still learning new tricks from these guys even
Agreed, thanks for FINALLY someone who didn't write a hate comment
@Java Konjo jeez someone needs to chill
Looks like Lou Ferrigno got a new career!
+SwissGator i totaly agree thats what my grand mother said!!!!!!
+SwissGator That's also the first thing i noticed when i started watching these Audioholic videos.
+SwissGator Def Lou Ferrigno!
+SwissGator
Except this Lou Ferrigno can hear a bit better.
So did Al Bundy!!
You should check out the Sony Mdr hw700ds headphones.
When you talk about how important bass is, the question is, what qualifies as "good bass" but is still not going to travel through walls or floors to bother the neighbors if you live in an apartment? I have an old Altec Lansing 5.1 with only a 5.25" woofer and I've even gotten complaints using that.
hello Audioholics,at minute 6 of your video,you mention about base management and speaker setup,do you have any website or any other video of yours tell that in details?i'm kinda new in this audio setup..so i`m still lack in knowledge but i really wanna learn to get the best audio experience from my audio device..
This should help: www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-setup/bass-management-basics-2013-settings-made-simple
thank you so much for fast reply,i'll check it now
I work at Best Buys home theater and Magnolia department and I run into people all the time that have no idea how to set up their home theater system but my job is to help them get the right components for their setup and needs, I love how these guys spent a whole video trashing how people set up the or home theater but don't even give suggestions on how they should improve it, just a video full of insults
In the end it's very relative and it's also the personal tastes of each individual in that regard science does have a gray area. You can have generalized rules but it may not suit everybody's needs good video but I kind of disagree with some aspects of it. One other thing to keep in mind when it comes to any kind of audio reproduction people try to have sound reproduced either in their image of what they want reproduced or as close as possible to a natural sound and that's why you have an movies soundtracks to reproduce cracks brakes and whatnot the point is even speakers cannot completely reproduce a real live environment sound hundred percent yes speakers of came along way overtime I will say that we are in a great time to live in for sound better speakers were absolutely perfect there would be no reason for subwoofer speakers were perfect they would always fool you.
Ragingfighter1 People who don't want to take the time or have the desire to learn about what they would consider a hobby, shouldn't be hobbying in that area. Lol.
A lot of butt hurt Bose owners...
One of the big problems is the husband wants a nice home theater set up but the wife doesn't want to see ANYTHING so the husband caves in and now they have ceiling speakers .
Great video, guys. It seems like a thousand people caught themselves doing what you're talking about and got their feels hurt.
my mistake- overkill. I have 7.1 system (with 6 floorstanding speakers) set up full blast in my 12x 12 apartment living room. Man, I shook the entire city block! LOL!
+kd85 a true Audioholic!
Art of Elegance just a little overkill I'd say
My mistake is underkill i guess.i just bought a Marantz SR8015 but it will take me year to buy some decent speakers. :p
When my friend buys a sound bar and tells me he now has surround sound
trexx32 well he does maybe but likely not as good as a discrete setup.
trexx32 it surrounds him to the front only.. technically
+trexx32 He's surrounded by crappy speakers that look like they're correct.
+trexx32 He would have 'simulated' surround. Stated, by Audioholics, not true surround as a discrete setup would give him. As you may well know, soundbars work off of useful trickery like bouncing sound around the room coupled with sophisticated timing techniques.
Excellent post Any and very true. DSP driven soundbars can give a good approximation of surround sound if you have the walls to bounce the HF effects. They still tend to sound a bit phasey but they are ALWAYS a better solution to just using TV speakers.
Room acoustics is number one. If you have a bad room, the quality of the speakers and other equipment is irrelevant.
Jd Watson my living room sucks.. gotta work with what i have unfortunately =(
Jd Watson that one is really hard to get right cause unless you are building a room strictly for HT a lot of people are using what they have available to them
Looks like I should just get a soundbar then.
The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism
Profound statement. Never heard that quote before.
I think the majority of us are actually not crybabies
You mean to tell me that a cable wrapped in unicorn hide with the connections forged in the fires of Mordor wont sound any better than a $10 cable off Ebay?. Noooo way....
Hahahahahahahaha.....youre a killer, man!
But in all seriousness, those unicorn cables rock! Especially now..
"You got 480i..."
"HAHAHAHAHA"
- Every Nerd
Ben Stiller and Lou Ferrigno had a kid?
michor10 Haha you're hilarious said no one.
Audioholics sorry, I couldn't hear you.
+Audioholics you're offending my name because I am no one. and I'm so hilarious, said typical youtubers.. jk
thats so funny..
i think its funny.. :-)
Very humorous. Especially when I've made a couple of these mistakes!! Lmao
Lol, I've been into buying/upgrading audio equipment for 20 years...I've just now started really knowing what I'm doing. My system has gone to the next level in the last year (using the same equipment) just by following proper techniques and setup. My dad never was into audio/video stuff, so he never taught me that aspect of being a man. Lol, thanks for these videos.
Geez... Guys like you are why I stopped going to audiophile meet-ups. You know how you get people into a hobby? You approach them with understanding and a willingness to help. The entire point of this video should be to help people who know nothing get through the basics so they can start to enjoy the benefits of a little knowledge. You make people gain interest by welcoming them. What you're doing is the equivalent of pointing at the person who can't read and saying, "Idiot, how do you not know this already? It's so obvious," all the while not realizing it took you months to learn to speak and years to read.
Maybe the people who got you started treated you the same way and that's why you think this is acceptable. But for me you're the type of person I have to defend myself against whenever I say, "Yeah, I'm an audiophile. No, not like that. Look, I don't really care about Beats. Sure, Monster's stuff is overpriced, I just buy cheap cables off Amazon, they sound fi- No I don't think anyone who buys headphones for less than $100 is throwing their money away, there are some good headphones for tha- No I'm not going to mock you for using Apple's stock headphones. I think they're uncomfortable but if they work for you that's fine it's about enjoying your music, who cares how much you spent?"
That conversation gets really old. Thanks for helping make it necessary.
I consider myself a casual listener, and found their remarks to be funny. Laugh with them. And they even admit how silly they were. Look at the last part.
+Michael Exactly,some people are so emotionally driven that they can't separate "laughing at a concept",without thinking a person must be involved.
No real parents were hurt in this video. I thought the video was good for a guy who is just learning. I learned a few things
Man, you got 480i...
I was really hoping for some informational content out of this video, instead it became audio elitists knocking the average person.
+Cole Cole Yeah, quite
+Cole Cole To me, they're railing on themselves as well. I laughed with them thinking of my nineteen year journey.
Grow up a bit...it's all right to laugh at your mistakes -- learn from them.
Overall, there was a great amount of introductory information here. This is the point of their channel and the website.
Goodness...grow a pair, kid. You're alive. Enjoy yourself.
It's quite unfortunate that I share your exact sentiments.
The video heading is exactly what they talk about, the "average person" would make these "common" mistakes. Now I know what not to do. So I don't understand why no one found this informative.
All the comments here are talking about bagging on the average person. As a car audio installer let me tell you about the average person... They won't look up anything. They will not put forth any effort to figure it out for themselves. They ask me. I try to explain it and they look at me like I'm from outer space. So my question is to the average person. How do you think I learned it? I had to look it up. I had to learn it. Quit being lazy and thinking you know. Do some research and know that you know. The examples in this video are showing people that think they know or just don't care. There is a wealth of knowledge out there. The internet is more than porn and FACEPUKE.
Good mix of humour and basic information. Now I just need to go hook up my all Nordost Odin cabling to my Bose Acoustimass double cube setup and sit back.
Guy in green needs let the guy in red speak
+SuperBoris1976 green = brains & red = brawn. muscles don't speak.
+Lance I know this is an old comment but are you dumb?
+Kyle Martinez yes.
+se7en Are you a moron? There was no your or you're anywhere in that sentence. Don't breathe when you waste air.
+se7en Please go back and reread all of those comments. You are missing a lot of words.
As long as you correct the problems you've introduced into a system there are no mistakes. The only true mistake is not caring and leaving as-is.
thudeets great point!
I work for Cablevision and are always going into peoples homes finding the crazyest surround set ups, weather they have all the speakers in the front, all the speakers mounted at the ceiling or simply have a HTIAB with a passive sub 👈 (that one hurts me the most lol) and they have the thought to brag about there somewhat "system". Research is key!! Took me about 2 years to finally understand the fundamentals of a good home theater set up, and man is it hard to pass it on to someone lol. Great video guys!
i currently have the Klipch Rp series in my home, just not the kliptch subs i have 2 bic f12s and i love it all!!!
I've got two bic f12s as well. Completely annihilates my tiny apartment :p
I have 2 F12’s too, but looking to upgrade. It handles the lows well, but it’s not punchy enough.
So I'm scratching my head with regards to all the dislikes then suddenly realize - I think you insulted 90% of your audiences cables LOLOL. Well, it's up to them to do some proper research! Maybe they will save a small fortune and end up with better speakers, then come back and thank you ;D 6 years mind how long are they taking!
Well what can I say, I appreciate you guys! You gentlemen train together ? (or did?) I can spot that pre recording bicep pump a mile away ;P
And Wilson Fisk I think played very well by Vincent D'onofrio who also happened to put in one of my favourite performances as Edgar from MIB - absolutely BRILLIANT!
As for my redemption my mistake was throwing more and more money at equipment instead of treating my room. My gear was good, I was fighting my room and just didn't realise it.
(PS please help me out with regards to the question I posed on your nested bird post, about the Damping Factor on the two amps I have, there's SO FEW people you can trust in this snake oil ridden industry, I really have a dilemma about which amp is better for the Opticon 1 MK2 - A-S701 or RX-V2700)
I own my own Home Theater company and I can't tell you how much I run into this with customers. You do have to be careful telling them how bad their system is set-up. The "famous" ..... my nephew is an electronic expert set this up for us and I have to bite my toungue and just say...."that's nice", but this is how you do it right. After I'm done, they can't believe it is the same system. This is with customers that spent thousands of dollars on their equipment, but won't spend a cent to put it together right. It get's really frustrating. Btw, you guys are a little unpolished, but you are exactly right what you are saying. I've shared many videos of yours to "double" explain things to customers and I may have lost jobs doing so because the truth hurts....... lol
why do you insult people that want a decent system. whats wrong with small speakers. me receiver allows me to set it up for speaker size.
Nothing is wrong with small speakers if you use a sub to fill in the bass. Please point out where we said differently.
I will comment on the video where you laugh about people using cube speakers
my bad, i missed the part about bose cubes. sorry. youre right. those speakers sound bad. i only mess with speakers with wood boxes.
Davina P. yes cube speakers suck!
I set my cousin up with some cubes (not Bose, that's crappy gear) that sound amazing. I wish I could remember the brand. Grabbed them from BB Magnolia, set him up with a proper receiver to drive them and a good sub for fill. The system can't match the clarity and quantity of my towers but they do a good job for someone who isn't really an audiophile.
The problem with the Bose cubes, IMHO, is the godawful tuning. For their size the emitters have reasonably good excursion but the boxes are vacuum chambers. Punch a 1/4" port in the back and the low-mids come back in strong. The problem then is they're just too small to adequately drive complex sounds efficiently. They don't have the strength to push multiple, varying frequencies at once. They'd be better off built in to appropriately sized micro cabinets with multiple drivers and decent crossovers. By the time you finished paying for the name you could just as easily buy a 5.1 Logitech gaming surround system (I have a 530 for my gaming PC in a small room) and use the surplus cash for a headphone DAC and a month's supply of your favorite caffeinated beverage.
Maybe that's what Bose cubes are for: gaming surround in small spaces. That curvy UFO lookin' 'receiver' would pair nicely with a PS3...
Bunch of sensitive babies. Get over yourselves. Speaking from YEARS of professional experience, I can tell you everything they say is right. And their frustration comes from companies trying to make you buy stuff you don't need and the lack of education on the behalf of retailers. All they want is for people to get the most out of their equipment without spending money senselessly.
I really enjoy your vids - they have helped me learn or clarified a few things for me. I - unlike ZenoDiac - think it sounds very natural and unscripted, other than your basic outline.
I built my theater up piece by piece over the course of several years, as inexpensively as possible. Inexpensive Onkyp 7.2 receiver, Matching Polk fronts and center (and Polk 12 inch sub), the surrounds are the same brand as well, bipolar surrounds on the side, normal surrounds on the back.
My son and I built our platform ourselves out of 2 x 8's and OSB and then stuck insulation in it to keep it from rattling. We also built 2 ft x 4 ft sound panels for the walls and put more panels behind the front speakers and in the corners. Finally, we deadened the back wall as much as possible with heavy black drapes, because the entire wall was full of windows that caused crazy echoes.
After re-calibrating (and modifying for me - I need a little more voice audio out of the center for my deaf self), I think it sounds really good. I honestly think the sound panels made the biggest difference of all of the work. Any ideas for tweaks from you guys would be much appreciated! I love tinkering, but I am always learning.
I understand the frustration when people do things wrong, and I get what the overall message these guys are trying to say; but I also understand there is a reason why they are the pros and regular people aren't. I don't get why these two would sit there and laugh at people for not knowing, when they clearly make money informing others. My grandpa is an audiophile who taught me early on about speaker placement. But I don't go vegan on every person I meet who's surround sound is all out of whack. You just make people less likely to want to listen to you by attacking them.
Pri yon Joni don't be so sensitive. Take it in good nature
Some decent tips, but you guys don't come across with the best presentation IMO.
I agree. Not to bash you guys but TheMovieEditor is right. You points are all good, but your delivery needs some work. Perhaps splitting the list between the two of you instead of having one guy just accepting what the other says is an improvement. Make the list sound decisive, not appear as if one made it up and the other is just following along. A good script is in order.
Like it was said, we all make mistakes.
Refine the delivery so as not to make it seem like you are laughing so much at people. I'm not offended but you know some people take it to heart...
Curious how many friends, neighbors and relatives are nervous about letting you guys "look" at their home theater system. Haha, funny thinking about it.
That being said I love your advice and plan to "correctly" calibrate my two Cerwin Vega subs...and consider the throw rug on that hard wood floor.
We do have a sound warping living room shape, will be looking for sound room schematics that come close to our room design...see if there's some additional things I can optimize.
Agree 100%. But it is from 2015 so we got to give them a break.
The common mistake that I keep finding is that some of my friends and family that have an surround sound system is some of them have theirs set to Dolby Pro logic.
What’s wrong with Dolby Pro Logic?
Great content but painful to watch.. Painful
About 20 years ago I learned that there are exactly 2 kinds of listeners in the world....
1. People who view audio recording and reproduction as an art form.
2. People who view audio recording and reproduction as a science.
If you don't know which one your are.... just add money.
LanceCampeau both for me
You got 480i. That's a real knee slapper.
AYYYYY LMAO
they aren't comedians so for tech guys it wasn't a bod zinger.
WANGLEtech and component/composite cables can transfer 1080 hd....its not as good or clear as hdmi but it does do it. not just 480i like dude in the video says.
It's only 480i when using a single composite video connection. You can get 1080i using component video assuming your source device will output 1080i from that connection. NONE of the newer Blu-ray players do this unfortunately b/c of the Sunset rule. What we said in the video is accurate.
Audioholics What the heck even is the sunset rule?
Fellows, you missed a big big big big big one: placement of the monitor. I have seen more monitors placed over the fireplace than you can shake your fist at. A big SMH. The monitor should be mounted at seated height, eyes forward. Placement of the monitor too high can cause neck strain.
Unfortunately, most house’s are configured in such a way that you aren’t able to optimize your experience. So a really expensive solution is to reconfigure a room or rig up a man cave in the garage, or if you’re rich, add an audio room.
Lots of new houses have fireplaces right smack dab in the middle of an otherwise blank wall, so I would opt not to have the FP.
Decades ago the company I worked for did finish work in a 22,000 sqft house with a home theater that had really plush 'stadium seating' for 35 people, that was something. And no fireplace in that room. We did a lot of work on theaters as well.
Kirk
That is wayyyy cool. A couple decades? Time to upgrade😁.
"When people tell me they have 4K and I say no, you've got 480i!" (*insert pretentious laughter*) Good content but just brutal delivery.
Good video. Lots of good advice. These guys can help newbies, like myself save a lot of money.
where was the advice . they were just down talking . People like this dont want to help they just want to show you "what they can do" ....complete assholes
I have enjoyed a lot of the videos from this channel. I am at a loss to understand all the negative comments on this one. I have noticed on blogs the condescending hateful attitude of the Watt Nazis and Ohm Orcs. If you don't say exactly what they want to hear, they will get you.
That is so true what you guys say. I am a Dolby Atmos (Onkyo HTS 7700) owner and when I set up my speakers, I did not use the reflective ceiling part of the speakers even though a had a good 12 ft ceiling for that. I remembered professional audio systems. If I want sound there put the source there, so took a pair of Kenwood satellite speakers from and old HTIB system and used those for the ceiling and I could not be happier. After the room calibrations by the AccuEQ and some small tweaking of my own... Great!! Thanks for the real advice and not being on the bandwagon..
Nice effort, but you're spitt'n in the wind. I can safely say that somewhere around 90% of the TVs I've viewed in friends and relatives homes are configured incorrectly. They think they're watching HDTV. They're positive. And they're always wrong. Cable companies insist on enabling both low and hi def channels, and customers go to the low def, because those numbers are more accessible. Often, the high def signal is not selected at the source device. And, to add more confusion, aspect ratio settings are chosen as if this is a matter of taste, and not a matter of best and bad. Good grief.
Getting to the conversation about low level calibration is another lost cause. TVs are invariably set to offer the brightest picture under the worst situations: competing with full daylight. The idea that maybe a 2nd setting for more typical low-light, or night-time viewing, might provide a cinema-like experience is an inconvenience beyond consideration.
The price I pay for trying to help is actually quite low. I get oodles of home-theater envy. "What TV/projector are you using? What are those speakers? Wow. This must all be wickedly expensive." And the answer, of course, is "not really." Even my least expensive setup over the past 30+ years has looked like a million bucks. It's all in the extra effort to set it up correctly.
This is one of your best videos, cable religion, absolute gold, laughed so hard I thing I may have laid an egg. I'm glad I'm not the only one that experiences these people. Just yesterday a guy at work was telling me about these special ie. power cables that cost $6000. I laughed at him so much he doesn't talk to me anymore
If you're referred to as ignorant it doesn't necessarily mean they're implying stupidity also . They would be trying to help by pointing out the fact you don't know what the hell you're doing !! My mistake , asking a small set of high end front speakers in my bedroom to deliver performance they weren't designed for . Remove , add tower speakers = lesson learned / problem solved . So now ya know . Thanks for all the vids , nice work guys ........
great video. Answering the topic, and adding humour to it. Nice. Ty for the tips, and the laughs :D s
It's better to have nice speakers and a cheap AVR than cheap speakers and an expensive AVR.
I see a lot of hate on this video, seems to be coming from people who have a hard time accepting criticism. It's just stereos people, don't be so sensitive. I thought the video was light-hearted and fun with some good info
why is that guy in red always laughing?. what's wrong with him?
side-effect from too much protein drinks.
I like you are telling us what people do that is Wrong... How about you Show a few Correct setups... That would be awesome...
+Anton Roig This is obviously the first video you watched from us else you would know the majority of our videos include proper set up and installation tips. Keep watching.
+Anton Roig you'd think that would be obvious
Oh the guys are not pricks, they are just being brutally honest. I am sure there are people who stuff the speakers into cabinets because they mar the looks of the house! You know the one I am talking about! If you can't take dollops of honesty, you should not even be here.
If you went into a shop because you wanted a HT because you want to keep up with neighborhood and show off, well there you go!
plenty of videos like this and they dont sound like pricks, strange...
This might be insulting if it weren't true. I've seen these same things. My uncle had an HDTV connected to his satellite receiver with composite cables. He had no idea he wasn't seeing HD. Definitely seen the speakers on the wall next to the ceiling for the fronts and backs more than once. It's really common to see people buy this expensive stuff but do no research as to how to connect it. There's no shame in ignorance but it is funny when you think about it.
My home theatre is in my lounge room with tiles and no carpet, only recently I installed carpet, and geez what a difference.
to all the audio fanboys out there, im gonna tell u about ur future and its gonna hurt. ur never gonna be satisfied with the sound, and ur gonna keep wastin money on new equipment for the rest of ur life.. there
+asdf Some people have hobbies other than you. Funny, I've seen this comment not too long ago in another audioholics video. If you don't like them, don't watch. But don't tell us what to do, its our hobby. And our systems most likely blow yours away.
+Dick Fantastic A big thumbs up he probably have those little bookshelf speakers and a am fm radio. ive hade some audio systems in my day.legacy speakers for over 30 years.a carver amp for ten and then used krell equipment and that system was and still is the best
+Danny Miller I bet he only listen to the AM on the radio dough. No distortion means no joy for him. I can tell just by the structure of his comment full of "gonna".
+asdf
Ur is spelled your. Also, capital letters are still proper grammar. Not to mention, adding a g to in... makes you sound intelligent, not cool, but, intelligent.
Mr. Ken please dont tell the police. im too pretty for prison..
Are people required to be condescending when talking about A/V?
no too many people get hurtfeelioma.
When you have no self-worth, Being an aristocratic "audiophile" makes you feel good when you look in the mirror
Haha! Stay butthurt, fellow viewers. Can't believe this triggered so many people.
All good for people with dedicated rooms but the other enthusiasts who have to integrate their setup in a living room for example can't always put speakers exactly as they should be or belong especially when you have a wife lol
+Unfinished Business Of Gaming Looks like the Wife has to go at that point... ;-)
Unsubscribed.
You guys make a great team!
Guys, you knocked it out of the park again - great job.
I'm sure these two mean well but there was just too much giggling and horsing around and not enough solid advice. Most of what they were saying was denigrating various people they'd met instead of EXPLAINING where they went wrong in a way that isn't patronising. Very disappointing.
you guys are soooo funny / this look like the laughing show, unbelievable
+victor feliciano Thx we like to laugh a lot :)
I enjoyed the comment about having two center channel speakers as being "ghetto".
Living in the ghetto is problematic enough, now we are stuck with two center channel speakers. We're never getting out of here!
LoLz... I use two center speakers to Hearing surround sound high and surround sound low. HaHAHAHA....
Can you help me with the following:
I'm renovating my bed room (20x29)
And I want to add a love seat recliner on the mix. A bed may be there lol.
Seriously, I want to know what type of speakers to buy and where should I place the speakers. The floor type: tile floor/
Ceiling: sheet rock. Wall: stone
I'm listening to you guys on adobe atmos. Which is better atmos 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 or 7.1.4.
I'm thinking about the 5.1.2 I'm not sure...I wait to hear from you.
Also not I'm doing the renovations now, and I'm running wiring now. Want everything to look clean.
Please help
question... IM running my Theater ( Entertainment system source) MACPRO 2012 with 1050Ti Video card to my Sony 55X900E HDTV and using toslink audio to my Yamaha V1900 receiver... since IM bypassing the receivers HDMI ( which is not 4K passthough and sending video only to TV, am I missing all my surround Features?
Hopefully I didn't screw up too bad. Marantz SR7011, Klipsch RP-280F towers, Klipsch RP-450C center, Klipsch RP-250S surrounds and Klipsch R115SW. Using OFC 12 awg wire with closed screw banana plugs, hdmi are all 18 gbps rated. The room is large, 20x30, but I am only using 12 feet of the width and 15 feet of the depth. I have an 11x15 area rug to cover the hardwood floors. Source currently is an Xbox One S but I plan to upgrade to the Oppo, in terms of display I am torn between a 75" Sony XBR850D and a 65" LG OLED B6P. Would love input!
buy what you can afford and what you like or what sounds the best to you. f**k other people's opinions it's your sound system if you like it that's all that counts..
I have a system that most audioholics or seasoned audio community vets would look at and dislike but will out performer most of the expensive equipment out there.
I have a Onkyo 7.1 receiver.. All my speakers are car audio in customer built boxes and I have a 2,000x2 American bass class D amp for my subs.. everything else runs straight off of the Onkyo and works beautifully... So my front speakers are towers that each hold a Audiopipe passive 3way crossover, 2 American bass VFL8D4 8" subwoofers, 2 American bass MX8DB 8" mid-range speakers and 1 American bass MX444T Tweeter... My center speaker is 2 American bass SQ 5.25" full range speakers and a MK444T Tweeter... my rear channels have one front mounted and one bottom mounted SQ 5.25" full range.. I have 2 subwoofers with down firing 2000 watt American bass XR-10D4 10" subs.. honestly better sound than any movie theater I've ever been to and it plays sharp clear music with a hard hitting bass line
2 New Jersey "trekkies"...mistakes by others...their parents made 2 BIG MISTAKES...frick and frack!
A big one is not knowing what your buying. Do some research before you slap money down on a surround sound. So many people I see have surround sound and I look at it or just listen to it and I know it's just setup all wrong. And the person who bought it knows no differ cause they didn't do there research
english is a great language. shame these 2 guys..presidents dont forget. cant speak a word of it...cheeeeeeeezzzzyyyy ...really...????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Client: I really want to use the new tech.. you know, like Bose..
Me: Nah, that'll sound like weak overpriced sh-t. I can't even work with that, it is fundamentally wrong, sacrificing the actual joy.
Client: But they are small and effective!
Me: You are on your own... Closes the door assertively.
Humane people don't help other humans set up Bose.
I tell you what an upcoming mistake would be in setting up a Home Theatre System....
watching Audio Holics...
You're probably right since we never heard of "Audio Holics". But definitely checkout Audioholics.com for some good tech and setup articles.
Dude skipped head day. Chew more gum, man!
I picked up a Yamaha TRS-7850 from Costco and two Definitive Technology BP9020s and a CS9040. It’s a standard size den with room for coach, love seat and entertainment center (12.5’x10’). Seems to fill out the room very nicely. What do you ghink
People pairing up the wrong equipment and end up with total shit....sometimes, very expensive shit.
Many of the problems producing bad audio is the room....don't compromise by doing nothing.....compensate for the problem.
In an overly live room, for an example, having an amp that provides "that extra bit of detail on HF" is not a good thing, if the room is too live, taming the HF is what is in order. Using room correction is one way. By lowering the HF rolloff will rid the room of too much HF energy. And the output will be much smoother, not fatiguing.
If you have speakers with UHF radiators in a live room, give some thought to disconnecting those tweeters and just go with the HF tweeter...UHF tweeters was nothing more an a marketing gimmick upon the arrival of of SACD, DVD-A, claiming 50 khtz output.
Give some thought to what is needed, depending on the room, before popping out your cash.
I still use Pioneer VSXD411 series AV's. I couple it them with Pc's that have sdpif output. I put speakers just above standing height mounted to walls(no tripping on them) and a single powered KLH sub. I am one of those who will never use Horizontal Door Media Interface. I say that because it is a copy-protection gimmick, and the idiots that came up with widescreen and 16x9 are oblivious to the fact that the human eye has much more height perception than trying to watch a movie from under a closed door through the gap on the bottom. 5x3 would have been a better choice in my opinion. My brother bought a 40 inch lcd and it has the same height as a 32 inch 4x3 tv. A 16x9 would have to be really wide to get the same height as my 60 inch 4x3 rptv. I would rather use dvi-i than use that cheap fragile cable. Even a VGA d-sub connector has very high resolutions given the video card can handle it. I will never buy Blu-ray either because it is a dying technology with digital files and streaming being the greener solution. I also think anything above 5.1 is also a sales gimmick. Having a rear mono channel on top of 5.1 as in 6.1 and higher is not needed. That is what Dolby surround is for. I do agree with the mistake of buying into marketing fads when you have something that works. Keep in mind a receiver's main job is to amplify and switch audio. Last thing is most people I know could care less about the idea of HD video or audio, all they care is to sit down and watch something. Rather they use a microscope to watch on a phone or play a VHS, or whatever. Also nothing is obsolete as long as someone is using it.
This has not much to do with setting up a home theater correctly. I wanted to share this with somebody who would enjoy what I about to tell you. I buy a lot of reel to reel pre-recorded tapes on Ebay. I know they are at the end of there life span. But so am I. Most of the time the recordings are hit or miss. I have two really good Revox open reel recorders. One is a B-77 4T and the other a A-700 2T machine. I just received a Frank Sinatra Trilogy set of tapes. They were recorded at 3 3/4 speed. I did not know that until I got them. I guess I overlooked that before the purchase. I usually only buy the higher speed. Most of Frank's recording are 7 1/2 and very well done. I was worried that the sound quality would suffer because of the lower speed. Remember that these were the CD's of those days. Most of the time they were the best recordings you could buy. So I started listening to each tape. I was blown away at how great they sounded. I have a very high end vintage system and thousands very well made records and CD's. I could not believe how good the sound was from something recorded so long ago. Now here is the kicker! I was looking at another tape recording on Ebay. It had no song list, but it was a two track recording which are very rare. So I did a search on Google and found the same listing in different languages. Then I came across an October 1958 issue of High Fidelity Magazine about how poorly stereophonic sound was. I know how much you guys don't care for Dolby Atmos especially when used in the bouncy house method. Or with most other ways except the encoded material on Blu-rays. His name is Robert Charles Marsh - Chicago Sun-Times. This his quote: " Right now I am confident that in 1968 I probably shall still own some 78's, that Caruso recordings made in 1903 still will be available --- and selling --- and that many of the finest discs of the long-play era will be able to secure listeners. Stereo , for all its promise, is a new medium, emerging in a boom-town ATMOSphere in which people talk casually about four-channel 3 3/4 - inch tapes --- although no one seems to be marketing them --- and manufacturers are plugging the goodies they have to sell, hoping to distract you from the things they don't offer you." This is just one small part of the article. I thought maybe you would get a kick out of this. So stereophonic sound was the new unproved format. I guess what goes around, comes around again. Also this not meant to knock anything you are doing. Or to make any people mad that listen too or collect 78's. I should know about dead formats. I still watch and collect laserdiscs. Also I love watching your videos. They are very informative and help me gain a lot of knowledge before making a purchase. I am trying to decide on a full featured, top of the line A/V receiver or pre/pro right now. It is a very tough choice to make. Yamaha, Marantz, Onkyo, Integra, Denon, Sony, Anthem, and Emotiva --- I am totally confused on which one to get. Thanks from all the wonderful work you do on your site.
I have a yamaha av system with Fluance avhyb box speaker set and a powered supbwoofer. My question is how much sound improvemnt would I hear if I got some Klipsch V 5.0 to go with my yamaha a/v reciever vs the 250 fluance towers, center and bookshelf 5.0 speaker????
battery on the cable? I hope you're making a joke about ferrites and don't actually think that's a battery... also you guys are talking all this game about tech but your video looks like it was made in the 80's. not trying to hate, just saying its a little hard to take this seriously when your video looks like you have no clue what a/v is.
Been doing the home theater thing for about 5 years now and made quite a few of the more technical mistakes mentioned. No clue why people are down-voting this video, but if I had to guess it's because they are not comprehending the subject matter within the video. Perhaps smaller words and some awe-shucks would help. Or perhaps, Goofy's How to Hook Up Your Home Theater (ua-cam.com/video/hXdFqkPo8xY/v-deo.html) would be more appropriate for some. Wish I'd seen this back before I had to learn all of these things through trial and error (many, many hours of trial and error)!
Hi Audioholics, I just bought a pair of TSI 500 with matching center channel speaker (CS10). You mentioned in your video that it's not wise to to put the center channel on the floor. Unfortunately, I have no choice. I was thinking of buying a stand and pointing the center speaker upwards towards the listener. What do you suggest to people who have no choice but to place the center speaker on the floor? This dilemma would also apply if I were to put the center speaker above the TV....I would then have to point the speaker downwards.....Thanks.
I laugh too. But it's a laugh of pain and frustration. I get these guys. I help people all the time and I encounter similar issues over and over and over and over again. And they think you're crazy for helping them setup their system properly. Sometimes they change it back when you're not around. This happens every time with TV sets. People love those factor "torch mode" settings.
I have a Onkyo TX-NR 636 that has died the power supply tripped and now I need to replace it. So I was thinking about the Onkyo TX-RZ 820 or the new Onkyo TX-NR 686. Which do prefer
8 years ago I had made the horrible mistake of putting all my money into the newest technology for AV Receivers. With the left over money I bought my speakers which at the time were polk audio cubes. Moving into a new house soon and left behind those horrible speakers.. Cant wait to buy better speakers and two subs for the new tv room. thank god my neighbors are far from my house...LOL
Didn't learn nothing, I laugh about people mistake...What happen with distance, proper placement, angles, frequency etc... that will be good knowledge
Good info, but don't talk down to your followers/Customers. Been in Sales for over 25 years and honestly this Video has good info, but you have to look past the smart A$$ Comments. Just a suggestion. There is away to explain all of these without giving negative example like Home User is an idiot.
Hi Guys, great video, i'm running a Denon Avr-x2000 receiver powering a set of boston acoustics cs23 speakers and sub. They are currently mounted from the ceiling and point down to the listening position. The Center is under the Tv on a tv stand though. They are in a 15 x 15 living room that is open to the kitchen and dining room. Do you have any recommendations for better sound in a setup like this, and is it ok to hang speakers like that and point them Down. Thanks,
I agree!! I am someone how knows a good amount about surround sound and theatres. but you show is offensive to most!! why are you two joking so much!! just give facts and help people learn!!! Would you like if you want somewhere and they laughed at you for asking pro advice?!?! people watch you for advice, stop laughing at them!!!! wow
I have had the speaker wires backwards before. Then another time had bad RCA cable from tape deck that took some figuring out. Here is what I find, I don't like the center channel. I always turn it off I don't like sound just the voices out of that speaker. I just use the 4.1 setting by disabling the center channel. Eventualy I want to get a nice sound bar. Hope I get better sound with that.
You mentioned Brighthouse and FiOS boxes and that puts you into a pretty narrow territory. Hey you're local to me! We probably drive past your place once a month as my in-laws live just up the road from ya. Not quite as good as the fellow AVSer who lives two houses down, but still that's pretty local in this game.
The thumbnail is exactly how an amateur would set up speakers lol But it's ok, a lot us were there when we first started. Helpful video with a bit of humor. Nothing wrong with that, hate is unjustified. Also, If you add a throw rug make sure it's not in front of the L C R speakers because it will absorb too much of the sound.
I am someone who worked setting up custom home theaters, $100K+ and find it always interesting to see other peoples points and their advice. This video was one of the worst I have ever seen, just insulting people because "they are not doing it right". Can I have my 12 min back ?
In all forms of honesty, doesn't atmos technically compress the audio? I'm guessing it does because HDMI is only capable of sending 7.1 tops and atmos adds 4 extra channels out of nothing. If that is the case then we are basically going right back into the lands of optical 5.1 for what is for something that is for the most part a gimmick.
making jokes about common mistakes. I'm upset and triggered. if your into audio stuff this stuff is funny. calm down. it's shit alot people do in the beginning.
I'll admit, I don't have surround sound but I'm satisfied with stereo. My mistakes are the room acoustics and speaker positioning. In all fairness, I can't do anything about speaker positioning as a result of the way my room is set up. I can't get a good listening/viewing angle and have the bed in my bedroom not placed in the middle of the room. but I could get a rug and fix my other issue. Shame on me.
Considering the Def Tech BP8020 Stand Towers. Would it be better to set the towers to large in my receiver and connect with just speaker wire or set them to small and connect the LFE subwoofer cable?
I still prefer my son bdvlz1000w it still looks really nice ant the sound is still top notch. big thick carpets big sofas wallpaper furniture all works well with sound. and yes newer isn't always better. my old system is about 20 years old doesn't even have a hdmi lead. the thing is a beast though. nothing compared to my newer one though
why are you two complaining about the way people place there speakers some homes are shaped different and i have my center speaker on the floor and it sounds great i have no prob you pick on others instead of telling some usful info your so helpful not
lmao" turn up 16khz and your good to go" When studying mastering at school that line came up. Mastering engineers do it, so you don't have to!
+poodlelord lol exactly.
The good ol' days...