Voigtlander 35mm F1.5 Notkon Review | Comparison with Leica Summilux 35mm FLE
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In this video, I am going to compare the new Vm 35 with one of the best regarded Leica 35mm lens, the FLE.
timeline:
0:00 Intro
2:40 Optical Performance Comparison
5:23 my thought
Jimmy, thanks for all great, balanced and customer oriented reviews and keep on going. Regards. Jaka
Hell yes. Jimmy C spitting facts about voigtlander. Sold my leica lenses for the voigtlander lineup for commercial photography and never looked back. Banked the cash and put it towards feeding my family. The 28, 35 ultrons and the 50 apo lanthar are the smartest thing I did for myself. Proud to be a leica shooter, but also proud to be a smart leica shooter. Keep it real Jimmy and keep making sick content. Peace
wow awesome story! Smart!
Thanks for the great review. I have been waiting for this comparison. ❤
Hate to agree with you, Voigtlander, tho might not demand the highest price tag, has delivered the most consistent+amazing results at better price point
You hit it on the head specially on the colour rendering. And recent Voigtlander lenses are lit!
Thanks for another thoughtful review Jimmy. The CV's are great. I have the 50 f1.2 Nokton and 21mm f3.5 CS and am considering the 28 Ultron and 90 f2.8 as I transition from the M10 to M11. They will do well on the SL2 too I suspect. Keep your reviews coming.
That’s crazy close. And at a standard viewing distance to a print? Probably indistinguishable. I can’t believe my own eyes. Awesome comparison.
Damn. Really love the comparison and enjoy your objective review!!! Great work Jimmy !
I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you very much for your videos ! Love them, peace and love from Germany.
Really great review. The only tiny additional thing I wanted to see was your bokeh ball tests to see if the Len’s outperforms my 40mm f1.2
Great review! Glad your findings were similar to mine. Enjoyed your commentary as well, voigtlander is really on a roll!
🙏 thanks for the comment!
Marvellous comparison; congratulations! Now, I just look forward the Summicron 35mm 4th review 😊
I’ll do a review on the kob compared to 3rd edition the 6 element.
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos! They are quite excellent, very informative and straight to the point. I just ordered the 35 f/1.5 Nokton in aluminum to pair with my Monochrom. It looks like a very compelling lens if you consider the trade offs between size and performance. Very pleasing rendering from what I can tell. Looking forward to trying it out for myself.
Thank you for the comment and I’m glad you find it useful. I too prefer its rendering over the FLE.
You won't regret it. I also use a Monochrome and the Voigt f 1.5 is its go-to lens.
Well-done and convincing overview with good arguments. Thank you. [PS: I have used both lenses, even including the TTartisan 35 mm f 1.4 and the Summicron... and I came to the same conclusion. Because of its compactness the V. f 1.5 is always on my camera (its + 1 EV compared to the Summicron makes a difference for me).
I don't normally comment on videos but I have to on this one, thank you for a great, no nonsense comparison! I saw this video today but last night I pulled the trigger on the Voigtlander 35/1.5 Nocton so very timely. I had been eyeing a used Leica 35/1.4 Summilux and yes, I can afford it but the Voigtlander kept calling me. I try to take money out of the decision process to some extent, buy once, cry once. I had read all about the mid frame dip of the Nocton but to be honest, looking at your side by side comparisons, it just does not seem to be that big of a deal in real life. If I am showing a photo to family or others, they are not going to say "nice picture but the mid frame dip ruined it!" The CA would be a much bigger issue for me and I do like the bokeh of the Voigtlander better. I have Leica lenses and they are sublime to use but I also have many Voigtlanders for various formats and I have yet to be disappointed by them, and I love the sunstars the Voigtanders produce. Again, thank you for this video, it was just what I have been looking for, it definitely confirmed my decision!
Thank you for your comment! You won’t be disappointed by this lens. Not razor sharp like the Leica, but enough for family photos for sure!
I totally agree with you.
You'll love its compactness.
終於出了❤等好久！
想請問，夜晚兩隻鏡頭表現也是差不多嗎？
感谢jimmy老师的推荐，在日本旅游的时候入手了，人民币差不多4.3k。😊
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Thanks Jimmy
Excellent presentation. This informations helps me to avoid, or at least postpone, the temptation to spend money buying more lenses. Each of these would be quite nice to have. Each has its faults, and each can be used to make beautiful images. Liked! Thanks!
Thanks for your comment! I'm glad you found it helpful!
I think you’re right on. The 50 mm Voigtlander Heliar Classic f/1.5 SC lens I recently purchased performs better than some of my Leica vintage lenses. After watching your video, I am beginning to wonder if I should buy this Voigtlander lens instead of waiting for the delivery of my FLE lens.
I think this is a much better deal if you don’t need optimal sharpness wide open but care about smooth bokeh and less CA.
Thanks!
Have these 2 lenses, love them all.
I’m glad you’re enjoying both of these fantastic lenses!
很可惜我沒機會用到徠卡的鏡頭，不過今天我在SL2s用上35mm F1.5 Notkon第一張照片我就非常非常滿意！ 感謝你的測試與推薦！
不错不错！
Nailed it Jimmy. Exactly what I found......but how about he APO Voigtlander? Apart from the size, it's just amazing.
Those sample shots from the MD262 look crazy good - hard to believe it's digital and not film!
thanks！
Wow. FLE is sharper no doubt but only when looked at a pixel level. But I do prefer the smoother out of focus rendering of the Voigtlander compared to the “busy” look of FLE. I’m sold, gonna get the matte black to go with my black M11-P.
I appreciated that you mention about colors…but I have to say that if you are building your personal line up, and you don’t want to mess with postproduction, you have to have this thing in mind. I work with different Leica bodies and I have Leica lensens and even Panasonic lenses on SL system and they will render colors in the same way, on M system maybe because the difficulties of making lenses so small, they work in so different way. On M11 the differences on colors are much more noticeble than the SL2/SL2S, and if you’re using on the same job 2 Ms with 2 different focal lenght built by 2 different manifactures you’ll see that so hard and it could be a problem to match them if you’re not going to put presets on your files. Voigtlander is doing great, I’m with you, but I would suggest that: if your building your lens bag for work on Ms it’s better to have the same lens series from the same manifacture if you want to achieve the same color rendition. And yes, going for the all new Voigtlanders is a good choiche, but mixing Leica and Voigtlander lenses for me is a color rendition problem.
Good point! I’m with you on this one. Even for Leica lenses, the colours are different though due to coating change over the years. I have earlier Leica glasses such as the 35 cron v4 which exhibits a greenish color shift while newer ones like the 50 1.4 asph has a pinkish tone. They’re all very subtle though. Unless you’re doing something professionally otherwise you won’t notice due to change in lighting and scene.
@@JimmyCheng totally agree on every single line
Great video, thanks ! Side question, for a Leica M6, what finish do you think would work best (aesthetics wise), black type 1 or type 2 ? Thanks again !
Type 1 if your Leica is black chrome, type 2 if black paint.
You say the Vignetting is the only real complaint about the Voigtlander lens, I would bet if you turn off lens correction in camera the 35 FLE you will get much more vignetting on the Leica lens.
I have a few lenses from Voigtlander, they are good performers, the only part I dislike is the design of the front ring of the lens shade. I would like a flat screw-in option.
PS I am glad you are doing more English videos.
Hi Alex, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was specifically talking about the 50 1.5 nokton v2 though, not all vm lenses. Yes you’re right on the correction thing !
I have the FLE and the CV Ultron 35mm f1.7 on an M11 and would say the difference is minimal between them. In fact I think the f1.7 performs better than both lenses you showcased for cheaper.
The 1.7 is indeed a stellar lens, but it’s ergonomically not as good as the new one imo. I wouldn’t say it’s better than either of these in general though, maybe in some areas.
@@JimmyCheng ergonomically it is so so, agreed. However, I had the Nokton and think the Ultron is much sharper if this is what you’re looking for.
Totally agree.. At this time, the competition has equaled Leica.. I have this lens and also the Zeiss brand, of a high quality, which at the moment of buying makes me doubt whether to choose Leica.. in any case.. Leica It is and will continue to be leica..
Appreciate the great content! I'm still a little bit concerned about the sharpness VM35 produces, especially at MFD. Probably it's just I don't shoot film and also shoot on a mirrorless system. Any chance you may do a review on the VM50 F1 in the future? I'm on the fence about upgrading my VM50 1.2 to it because of the FLE design and MFD performance. Cheers
it is too big of a lens for my taste I’d admit. So probably won’t be purchasing one. To me the 1.2 is sharp enough wide open. I’ve posted a vlog(spirit island) shot solely on the 1.2 (mostly wide open) and it’s very sharp
What lens profile do you use with voigtlander lenses?
I had the Typ I for 2 weeks great lens for the price but far away from last LUX35FLE II (my only lens from now even the cronapo35 found a new home..)
看過part 1後，我已經想買這支Nokton了。再看part 2，鏡頭昨天已到我手了！
哈哈哈
Jimmy, how does this stack up against the Nokton 35mm f/1.2 III?
Jimmy, great video and comparison. I am looking for a more affordable M mount 35mm lens. Would you recommend the Ultron F2 or the Nokton F1.5?
They are both amazing lenses. It really depends on whether you need the 1.5
@@JimmyCheng Ideally, if I have the budget, I'd go for the Summilux F1.4 2022 version.
@@josephlai1078 then the nokton makes more sense here I would say
@@JimmyCheng After about an hour of sampling few lenses in the local Leica store, I was sold on the Summilux 35mm F1.4 FLE II. THe tactile feel on the aperture ring and buttery smooth focus tab while doing small fine-tuning manual focus were the deciding factors. Thanks again Jimmy for the suggestions.
I have it and I love how it performs with my SL2-s. Maybe, being new, it has a slow focus transition.. Sometimes I need more speed. Or maybe I'm just asking too much...
The only thing I dislike is the in some situations It seems to be too contrasty
Yeah modern vm lens has a coating. It’s much more flare resistant than Leica glasses. The by-product is a contrasty image.
Hi Jimmy, what is your thought on 35mm f1.5 nokton vs ultron 35mm f2.0 ? do they renderly differently at the same aperture ? The nokton mid zone dip doesn't bother me especially after f2.8, and it seems to have more pleasing bokeh to my eyes. May be the ultron has more even sharpness across the frame and more vintage of a look? I know you own both lens :) , would like to hear your advice.
Bokeh is nice on both lenses, really the rendering is not too different. If I were you the only concern here is 1.5 vs smaller size, whether you prefer the handling of ultron or the nokton. You can’t go wrong with both.
I think the FLE will really have an edge at MFD but if that ins't a major consideration the VM wins hands down; especially with bokeh and the Type 1 being +/- 130g lighter.
I’ve shot portraits with both not at mfd but probably the closest I need. They are indistinguishable to me (check my last video)
I think the Nokton beats the FLE for MFD. Nokton 0.5 m. FLE 0.7 m
I have both the Zeiss 35mm f/2 and Zeiss 35mm f/2.8. I spent a lot of time looking at this Voigtlander lens, but I don’t know if it is different enough that I feel the need to add it to my collection. I sometimes would benefit from f/1.5 in low light, but I am shooting f/4-8 in 80% of my photos.
In that case probably not. But it’s a really great lens and ergonomically better than the Zeiss 35s due to it’s focusing tab.
Have the 2.8 and is getting this lens to try out, will see if I keep it in the end. I do love the sample images Jimmy provided right off the bat. I love saturated colors and punchy contrast and this lens seem to give enough of both, just like my 35mm 2.8 biogon, and this lens seems to be built a lot better than the 35 f2, which I just find ugly haha. So the choice is down to handling and aesthetics in the end
@@zimbabwe0 the Zeiss 35/2 is a bit bigger than I would like, and I have researched countless lenses over the years to see what could be a replacement. But in the end I just decided to keep the lens as I can’t find anything really all that different and better. I’ve had the 35/2 since 2016 and it was my first lens for my first M camera. It’s never let me down and is just a well rounded performer at the cost of being a little bit big.
My assessment from reading reviews online for similar lenses:
Voigtlander 35/2 is smaller, about the same sharpness, but with busier background rendering.
Leica 35/2 is smaller, same sharpness, but you have a hood design I don’t like as much and more flare than the Zeiss.
@@ZachBie I've had the Voigtlander f1.5 black paint for a few days and did some testing to find that this lens handles amazingly (buttery smooth, felt more premium than the Leicas I've shot before). Sharpness-wise, I'm surprised to find out that it matches or outperforms the Zeiss 35 f2.8 even at f1.5. Shooting both at f2.8 and f5.6 tells a similar story, with this lens edges the Zeiss slightly in sharpness across the frame (no real difference in real world usage tho). It is ever so slightly brighter and cooler than the Zeiss, but my girlfriend told me that she couldn't tell the images apart just viewing them on a phone. I think I'm gonna sell the Zeiss and keep this lens, since having a very very usable f1.5 is just too good for a lens of this size/price/performance. Also Zeiss' consumer optics seems to have fell into complete neglect while Voigtlander is actively trying to improve their lineups. I didn't think I needed the large aperture but once you have it it's hard to go back haha. Cheers! FYI: I'm someone who enjoys a clean, neutral, and modern rendering and hates lenses that try to be 'classic' just for the sake of it, and I love how this lens renders.
@@zimbabwe0 Wow! Thanks for sharing your experience! I 100% agree on the fact Zeiss seems to have left their 35mm M-mount line on a closet shelf forgotten and untouched. Meanwhile, Voigtlander just keeps releasing interesting lenses every year!
I’m telling myself that the kit I have is sufficient for my needs, and I am proud to say I have resisted the temptation to buy any new camera gear in over 3 years. But the Voigtlander 28/2 and 35/1.5 are very tempting!
Jimmy，ultron 2和1.5选哪个比较好呀😢太纠结了. 都是好头
同纠结！请Jimmy做一期对比视频吧！
I heard that there is focus shift in the voigt. Which means stopping down isn’t really an option on a leica camera. Could u confirm?
No issues at all on my copy, I’ve shot about 300 photos with various aperture settings.
I found terrible CA and purple fringing on the Nocton wide open, but I don't have the FLE to compare
Well you see it, it’s way worse
Oh man, I really wanted to get the steel rim but I heard the quality is poor.
Would you recommend this as a good substitute? Never owned a voigtlander
Hmm, they are actually completely different lenses. The steel rim is an old design and is not for sharp photos but “moody” ones. This is more of a summilux asph competitor. If you want a steel rim replacement, I’d probably suggest the Voigtlander 35 1.4 nokton v2, same small body as the steel rim and relatively retro in rendering (still quite a bit sharper than steel rim and not as glowy wide open though)
@@JimmyCheng oh nice!! I’ll look into it, thank you so much
@@JimmyChengthe 35f1.4 single coated lens is closer to the SR and is glowy.
@@ofeykalakar1 Ah right there's the SC vs MC argument here as well, thanks for the extra info.
Jimmy您好！最近想走入leica膠卷的世界，也考慮未來入手m10或m11，請問voigtlanger 35mm 你最推薦那支鏡頭？做為第一支鏡頭呢？
謝謝🙏
I’ve been saying it for years that unless you’re rich buy Voightlander. you’re not gonna see enough of a difference that justifies four times the price.
You can’t make the colors of a voigtländer look like a Leica lens. Same for Zeiss lenses. Voigtländer is bad especially with green and red, Zeiss is not so great with blue and green. If you try to fix that you alter all mixed colors as well which is not only tidious but also makes the colors look even more unnatural over all.
You can alter hues and saturations of individual color channels.
First of all, good reviews and comparisons. I am interested in getting a 35mm voigtlander lens but still can't decide between 35mm 1.4 Nokton classic ii or this 1.5 lens. Could you please give a recommendation or better a comparison between the two. Thanks.
They’re really two very different lenses. One is modern aspherical design while the other is more vintage. I think it’s safe to own both.
I’m stuck on this decision too. Which did you get and why?