Great video! For mostly color film shooting which is your preference? I recall you saying you loved the 50 APO on film since it looked like medium format. Do you feel the same about the 35 APO?
Jimmy, Thank you for this and other videos. What is your experience with the close focus on the 35 Summilux FLE II? I bought one but found out that at minimum focus distance, the center at f/2 is not as sharp as the Voigtlander APO 35 at the same aperture.. It is also not as sharp as the new (2023) Summilux 50mm at f/1.4 through f/5.6. I am talking about at minimum focus distance only. Other distances are good. I am wondering if I have a bad copy or if this is the general behavior. Thank you.
Yeah it’s certainly not as sharp as an APO lens. Not sure about comparing with the new 50 lux. To be honest I didn’t do too much close focus testing/shooting as I prefer use the rangefinder focus mechanism as opposed to live view. I’d say post this on I-Leica forum there might be ppl with more experience with close focus on this lens.
Jimmy, it's Joe again. I recently purchased the FLE ii. However, I find when I turn the focus ring to infinity, it actually is not "sharp". I had to make some micro adjustments. This is seen both through the Visoflex and the RF. Is this due to chromatic aberration? focus past infinity, which may need to recalibrate? or simply a faulty unit? Cheers.
@@josephlai1078 If it’s not sharp at infinity through rangefinder then it needs calibration. But you should be able to find a spot that is sharp through liveview to verify this.
In fact I’ll be releasing a video about 35 apo on film next week or so. I took it with me to Japan and shot several rolls with it. In short, it’s amazing, but with film you don’t notice the resolution improvements as much as you would on a 40-60mp digital sensor. Keep an out for the review if you’re interested.
@@JimmyChengI finally received my FLE v.2, and now I am thinking about the reissued Steel Rim which you were not too happy with. I wonder if you have resolved the issues and subsequently tested its performance. Hope to see a video if data is available. Thanks.
@@wilfredshum3703 Glad to hear that! I hope you enjoy your new lens! Unfortunately I haven’t got my replacement copy back from Leica, things move super slow over there apparently. Once I get it back I’ll definitely do a review.
Hi Jimmy, I'm looking for a 35mm that will compliment my M11 Monochrom and you've made it harder to decide on the Summicron or the FLE V2. lol As a street photographer which do you think would best compliment the M11M?
Really a nice video, clear, finally a comparative point of view between three excellent lenses. The best of all, however, I think is the SL Apo Summicron 2/35 Asph., but that's another story. Perhaps it could be interesting to highlight the extraordinary characteristics of this lens by comparing it with the Apo 2/35 for “M” of this video. Thanks anyway, great job.❤
Yeah the SL APO is even sharper and better corrected! But Leica had much more room to work with haha😝 the amazing thing about the m version is it’s still reasonably small. I love it.
@@JimmyCheng I think you should make a video comparison.😁 I left SL system because its bulky body and lenses but always tempting to go back the road again.
@@JimmyCheng Does the 'new' Leica Summilux-M 35mm f1.4 FLE 2 with its (built in) circular and retractable lens hood have less rangefinder blockage than the first version with its screw on rectangular lens hood?
Does the aperture ring on your summilux v2 feel the same as the new apo? I just got the fle v2 and my aperture ring doesn't feel as snappy as I expected. Thanks
I’m looking at the M 11 with the M 35 F 1.4 lens. But I noticed there’s two different versions of this lens. One is very short and the other one is a bit taller. Both ASPH. What is the difference? Can you help?
I went with the Voigtlander 35mm F1.2 iii and Summicron. If I shoot film, the F1.2 can be important. The Summicron gives me the best balance in terms of size, performance, and price. Together they are still cheaper than the Summilux and APO Cron. Yes, I still see a little fringing from my Cron at wide open but majority can be corrected in post. What do you think about using these M lenses for the SL2-S? Would like to see if they perform the same as the digital M bodies.
They perform a bit worse on SL. You might wanna take a look at the new 35 1.5, perfect balance of weight/size/aperture/performance. I’ll do a review in the next couple of weeks.
Nice review, thank you! :) I hear magnification with the FLE 2 only works with live view, so if you only have an analog M like me, then this is not an argument for the version 2. Beautiful lens though, in every way. I am a bit concerned about Leica quality as well. I cannot comprehend them signing off on the quality of individual lenses in a certificate that people have trusted for years, only to then get wobbly parts. What don’t they notice, or what happens between signing and the product you hold in your hand for the first time? Especially bad if they know about certain faults before they issue the certificate and then accept that some might get returned, as if a known design issue. Maybe it is only with certain lenses like the Summilux reissue, maybe they only need to sort out some early production line issues, but I fear this could hurt the company if this keeps going on, be it products some batches into the making or new announcements suffering from quality issues more often. This is the only reason stopping me from getting a Summilux reissue, otherwise I would have already ordered one. At least I am richer by not having spent that money :). Could you provide an update once you have got a new copy of yours? I am not sure the redesigned hood (I believe it was) would solve this issue you have since it sounds like it is a different one.
Thank you for the comment. The redesigned hood is to solve another “engineering marvel”: no way to put the hood on with filter, even though they supplied two of them. One cannot physically fit with the filter on, the other creates hard vignettes.
@@JimmyCheng So I have heard. Very odd. Two such big mistakes that I cannot understand how they have missed both. Don't get me wrong, I still love Leica and I wouldn't want to sell my kit ever but for their own good I hope they will do a better job. I don't want mistakes like these harm them :/.
I have the Summilux-M 35 FLE I and APO-Summicron-M 35. They both are impressive lenses. If you don’t need the close-focusing capability at 35 mm, and/or shoot only with film M cameras (limited to 0.7 m rangefinder focus), then the FLE I will be fine.
i got the 35 fle 2 lux and 35 sl apo summicron, for the price of 35 apo m summicron. i got the best of both worlds. one thing i love about the 35 apo cron is its hood, very sexy, very.
I’ve got the 35mm APO Summicron…but it’s the L mount version. Focuses down to 27cm too. That’s a *massive* 3cm closer than the M version! 🤣 Image quality: you don’t even have to think about it. Stop down for more depth of field, open up for less. If I were buying a 35mm lens today, though, I think I’d go for the M version instead. Being all mechanical it doesn’t depend on any particular camera to work…you can adapt it to lots of different cameras.
How many times do you use wide open? All the time 😂 otherwise I just bought Elmarit or Summaron. That’s why my favorite lenses most of the time were summicron.
@@JimmyCheng yeah he must’ve 😂 I think only Leica can achieved that kind of performance wide open but some guy in the forum said CV apo lanthar shot better than Leica’s apo, have you tested it? Interesting if it did considering their price different.
The APO 35 M is indeed a lot of money but it’s not expensive, because it is a very allround lens for travelling if you don’t want to travel relatively light and can’t bring all your lenses. If you own already a few 35’s like me, and you can sell them favorably because they are Leica’s, the price is actually quite low, because it covers the properties of a few older lenses. The Summicron 35 iv for instance has the same sympathtic bokeh as the APO.
This lens has severe green fringing. Are you blind with it? It performs on the level of rf 35 mm f1.8. It can’t even dream to be on the level of rf 35 mm f1.4 L with no flaws in chroma at all. Stop disturbing lie and getting money from Leica advertising.
@@goldenstasgs what are you talking about? I’ve never accepted any money from any lens manufacturers. And plus if you watch my channel enough, I’m all about bashing Leica. But for what it is. It’s THE best Leica 35mm M mount lens. Yes it’s not as good as the new gigantic RF mount lenses and even Sony G masters. But that’s not the point.
This is indeed a really good video and comparison. Thank you :)
Yet another excellent comparison review ! Highly valuable ! Great job !!! Keep them coming !!!
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it
Great video! For mostly color film shooting which is your preference? I recall you saying you loved the 50 APO on film since it looked like medium format. Do you feel the same about the 35 APO?
yeah the 35 apo is every bit as good. I’d say I prefer the apo.
Jimmy,
Thank you for this and other videos. What is your experience with the close focus on the 35 Summilux FLE II? I bought one but found out that at minimum focus distance, the center at f/2 is not as sharp as the Voigtlander APO 35 at the same aperture.. It is also not as sharp as the new (2023) Summilux 50mm at f/1.4 through f/5.6. I am talking about at minimum focus distance only. Other distances are good.
I am wondering if I have a bad copy or if this is the general behavior.
Thank you.
Yeah it’s certainly not as sharp as an APO lens. Not sure about comparing with the new 50 lux. To be honest I didn’t do too much close focus testing/shooting as I prefer use the rangefinder focus mechanism as opposed to live view. I’d say post this on I-Leica forum there might be ppl with more experience with close focus on this lens.
Jimmy, it's Joe again. I recently purchased the FLE ii. However, I find when I turn the focus ring to infinity, it actually is not "sharp". I had to make some micro adjustments. This is seen both through the Visoflex and the RF. Is this due to chromatic aberration? focus past infinity, which may need to recalibrate? or simply a faulty unit? Cheers.
@@josephlai1078 If it’s not sharp at infinity through rangefinder then it needs calibration. But you should be able to find a spot that is sharp through liveview to verify this.
@@JimmyCheng thanks. Will experiment with it more. If not, I will take it back to Leica for assessment 🙏
good video but I havent seen pointed out the dip in sharpness of the FLE at 1/3rd of the frame
Appreciate the review! Curious to know which body you use to perform your testing.
Thank you. I usually use my m10p for these testing. I’ve been thinking about moving to the m10r but I think 24mp is still more relevant today.
Which M camera did you shoot with these three lenses? Btw, looks like we're living close.....
Great video! How’s the 35mm apo performance on the film? Does jt show a significant improvement from its predecessors?
In fact I’ll be releasing a video about 35 apo on film next week or so. I took it with me to Japan and shot several rolls with it. In short, it’s amazing, but with film you don’t notice the resolution improvements as much as you would on a 40-60mp digital sensor. Keep an out for the review if you’re interested.
Actually I own a fle, and was thinking if it’s worth to upgrade to apo 35? What do you think?
請問七枚，聖光pre-a,擇一，怎麼選😢
The APO 35 mm SL lens is heavy for traveling, so I have ordered the FLE v.2 for my SL2 and M. Still waiting for its delivery.
Good choice 👍 the FLE v2 is so versatile, more so than the apo I would say.
@@JimmyChengI finally received my FLE v.2, and now I am thinking about the reissued Steel Rim which you were not too happy with. I wonder if you have resolved the issues and subsequently tested its performance. Hope to see a video if data is available. Thanks.
@@wilfredshum3703 Glad to hear that! I hope you enjoy your new lens! Unfortunately I haven’t got my replacement copy back from Leica, things move super slow over there apparently. Once I get it back I’ll definitely do a review.
the apo summicron cant give you the bokeh of the fle 2 lux.
Hi Jimmy, I'm looking for a 35mm that will compliment my M11 Monochrom and you've made it harder to decide on the Summicron or the FLE V2. lol As a street photographer which do you think would best compliment the M11M?
@@DamienOnTheGo Summicron if you don’t need 1.4 90% of the time.
Take your time. I know UA-cam demands regular uploads but I prefer quality over quantity.
Thank you, really appreciate your comment.
How is it compared with the cheaper 35MM Cron V2? Hope to see you compare them
Sure I’ll do a review in the future. The short version: the regulator cron is good enough for rangefinder use.
Really a nice video, clear, finally a comparative point of view between three excellent lenses. The best of all, however, I think is the SL Apo Summicron 2/35 Asph., but that's another story. Perhaps it could be interesting to highlight the extraordinary characteristics of this lens by comparing it with the Apo 2/35 for “M” of this video. Thanks anyway, great job.❤
Yeah the SL APO is even sharper and better corrected! But Leica had much more room to work with haha😝 the amazing thing about the m version is it’s still reasonably small. I love it.
@@JimmyCheng I think you should make a video comparison.😁 I left SL system because its bulky body and lenses but always tempting to go back the road again.
@@JimmyCheng Does the 'new' Leica Summilux-M 35mm f1.4 FLE 2 with its (built in) circular and retractable lens hood have less rangefinder blockage than the first version with its screw on rectangular lens hood?
@@autodidact537 not really I’d say you won’t notice it in your daily use.
Great comparison Jimmy.
Does the aperture ring on your summilux v2 feel the same as the new apo? I just got the fle v2 and my aperture ring doesn't feel as snappy as I expected. Thanks
they feel a bit different. But I actually quite like it. My steel rim on the other hand, feels super cheap and loose.
My 35 FLE V2 also sticking sometimes on different apperture positions. This is regular issue
Nice comparison! I like the thinner UV filter you have on the FLE v2, which one is it?
It’s one of the b+w uv filter, forgot the exact series, aim for the thinnest one they usually have spec.
I’m looking at the M 11 with the M 35 F 1.4 lens. But I noticed there’s two different versions of this lens. One is very short and the other one is a bit taller. Both ASPH. What is the difference? Can you help?
Ain’t both 35 1.4 in this video? V1 and v2 asph
On M9, which is your recommended lens for first 35mm?
If you want leica, a 2nd hand summicron asph is of good value now. If you don't mind other brands, the voigtlander 35 f1.5 nokton is good value.
請問一下，如果預算有限，應該先買徠卡相機機身還是鏡頭？如果是機身，那麼外接鏡頭只能是非徠卡的35或50mm，會推薦Voigtlander的哪ㄧ隻？如果是鏡頭，外接在富士的相機上，會推薦徠卡的哪個35mm的鏡頭？謝謝
我推荐还是机身+vm吧。35的话35 2ultron不错，或者是35 1.5，50的话选择也很多，50 apo，50 1.2， 50 1.5 都可以。50apo 画质最好。
@@JimmyCheng 謝謝！也感謝你做的頻道內容。
I went with the Voigtlander 35mm F1.2 iii and Summicron. If I shoot film, the F1.2 can be important. The Summicron gives me the best balance in terms of size, performance, and price. Together they are still cheaper than the Summilux and APO Cron. Yes, I still see a little fringing from my Cron at wide open but majority can be corrected in post. What do you think about using these M lenses for the SL2-S? Would like to see if they perform the same as the digital M bodies.
They perform a bit worse on SL. You might wanna take a look at the new 35 1.5, perfect balance of weight/size/aperture/performance. I’ll do a review in the next couple of weeks.
Nice review, thank you! :) I hear magnification with the FLE 2 only works with live view, so if you only have an analog M like me, then this is not an argument for the version 2. Beautiful lens though, in every way. I am a bit concerned about Leica quality as well. I cannot comprehend them signing off on the quality of individual lenses in a certificate that people have trusted for years, only to then get wobbly parts. What don’t they notice, or what happens between signing and the product you hold in your hand for the first time? Especially bad if they know about certain faults before they issue the certificate and then accept that some might get returned, as if a known design issue. Maybe it is only with certain lenses like the Summilux reissue, maybe they only need to sort out some early production line issues, but I fear this could hurt the company if this keeps going on, be it products some batches into the making or new announcements suffering from quality issues more often. This is the only reason stopping me from getting a Summilux reissue, otherwise I would have already ordered one. At least I am richer by not having spent that money :). Could you provide an update once you have got a new copy of yours? I am not sure the redesigned hood (I believe it was) would solve this issue you have since it sounds like it is a different one.
Thank you for the comment. The redesigned hood is to solve another “engineering marvel”: no way to put the hood on with filter, even though they supplied two of them. One cannot physically fit with the filter on, the other creates hard vignettes.
@@JimmyCheng So I have heard. Very odd. Two such big mistakes that I cannot understand how they have missed both. Don't get me wrong, I still love Leica and I wouldn't want to sell my kit ever but for their own good I hope they will do a better job. I don't want mistakes like these harm them :/.
请问给M11第一颗徕卡镜头的话SUMMICRON-M 35mm f2 ASPH 和SUMMILUX-M 50mm f1.4 ASPH. silver chrome哪个更推荐？
这个真的完全看你的使用场景。喜欢哪个焦距自己试一下才会了解。
Now is the perfect time to get a used summilux 35 fle v1 actually. Even cheaper than many summicron 35 7e
I have the Summilux-M 35 FLE I and APO-Summicron-M 35. They both are impressive lenses.
If you don’t need the close-focusing capability at 35 mm, and/or shoot only with film M cameras (limited to 0.7 m rangefinder focus), then the FLE I will be fine.
i got the 35 fle 2 lux and 35 sl apo summicron, for the price of 35 apo m summicron. i got the best of both worlds. one thing i love about the 35 apo cron is its hood, very sexy, very.
great comparison
I’ve got the 35mm APO Summicron…but it’s the L mount version. Focuses down to 27cm too. That’s a *massive* 3cm closer than the M version! 🤣 Image quality: you don’t even have to think about it. Stop down for more depth of field, open up for less.
If I were buying a 35mm lens today, though, I think I’d go for the M version instead. Being all mechanical it doesn’t depend on any particular camera to work…you can adapt it to lots of different cameras.
Yep and it’s tiny 😝
大佬玩过11874吗，那个真的比11663更有味道吗
焦外稍微柔和一点，但是最近对焦距离锐度差一些。黄斑对焦的话有一定的focus shift。fle改善的就是这个问题，但焦外二线性就比较重。说不好谁更有味道。
I have the Nikon 35 F2 ai which creates great images especially if you expreiment with metering
I’ve got that lens too 😉 great bang for the buck.
How many times do you use wide open? All the time 😂 otherwise I just bought Elmarit or Summaron. That’s why my favorite lenses most of the time were summicron.
Wait a minute, you use it wide open for landscapes all the time? Or do you mean the genre you shoot.
@@JimmyCheng lol I exaggerated my comment a bit, I rarely did landscape, mainly shot street and portrait.
@@daniel166hue haha I was like, here’s a guy Peter Karbe would be proud of. He wants us to shoot wide open all the time no matter what lol
@@JimmyCheng yeah he must’ve 😂 I think only Leica can achieved that kind of performance wide open but some guy in the forum said CV apo lanthar shot better than Leica’s apo, have you tested it? Interesting if it did considering their price different.
the app summicron is downright the best ever 35mm lens
The APO 35 M is indeed a lot of money but it’s not expensive, because it is a very allround lens for travelling if you don’t want to travel relatively light and can’t bring all your lenses. If you own already a few 35’s like me, and you can sell them favorably because they are Leica’s, the price is actually quite low, because it covers the properties of a few older lenses. The Summicron 35 iv for instance has the same sympathtic bokeh as the APO.
Whats the point of doing talking head while you never look in to camera :d
Ha? What do you mean by “ look in to the camera@
This lens has severe green fringing. Are you blind with it? It performs on the level of rf 35 mm f1.8. It can’t even dream to be on the level of rf 35 mm f1.4 L with no flaws in chroma at all. Stop disturbing lie and getting money from Leica advertising.
@@goldenstasgs what are you talking about? I’ve never accepted any money from any lens manufacturers. And plus if you watch my channel enough, I’m all about bashing Leica. But for what it is. It’s THE best Leica 35mm M mount lens. Yes it’s not as good as the new gigantic RF mount lenses and even Sony G masters. But that’s not the point.