Echo Pitch Meeting
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Disney has been going all-out with Marvel TV shows on Disney+ over the past few years - with seemingly dwindling interest from audience. Their latest show “Echo” is a spinoff of one of those shows, centred around a character who was kind of in it!
Echo definitely raises some questions. Like how did Kingpin survive that? Why are we rooting for a character that puts her family and innocent people’s lives in danger? What are her powers exactly? Did she just speedrun Kingpin’s therapy?
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Echo!
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I really love what Disney is doing to support artist like Ryan. I can't even guess how many millions of dollars and man hours went into making this entire series just so Ryan could create a 4 minute video. Really generous of them.
What's truly amazing is that they didn't try to make something that might have some secondary function or revenue potential. That's dedication.
well said. he creates a 4 minute video that is more entertaining than what a billion dollar company could make
Amen
Disney 😂has literally become a joke
everything I need to see 🧐
LMAO!
"He's from She-Hulk!" That line killed me
Before he delivered that line my brain mentally inserted "Dare Devil? We haven't completely ruined him yet!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
That line was so depressing 😅Disney is really out there destroying every comic superhero they can 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well yeah, of course Disney Producer guy said he was from She-Hulk because he only knows characters from Disney+ shows. 😄
YES
I can't believe there was no mention of the fact that echo's original powers are that she can mirror anyone's fighting style, but the genius writers thought that was "lame" so they decided to give her "indigenous ancestor glowy-hand" powers instead.
Maybe slightly more interesting than a Taskmaster clone
😂😂😂 truth here!
@@TakeshiYoung Alas, no.
@@TakeshiYoung ok, but taskmaster is legit cool and having a taskmaster like hero show would be really ineresting.
@@TakeshiYoung Generic glowy powers with origins about Native American stereotypes is far worse than being a Taskmaster clone. Especially when the Taskmaster from Black Widow got her copying skills from a computer in her helmet and not from a natural talent. And if anyone's confused about the pronouns I used for Taskmaster, spoiler alert: Taskmaster is not Tony Masters but Dreykov's daughter. And you wouldn't get that from promotional materials because the Captain America stuntman Andy Lister wore the suit for most of the movie to preserve the twist about Taskmaster being a woman. They wanted us to think a character who came from a place that came from a place that trained female assassins was a man so that we would make misogynistic outbursts at a movie when we were already watching it for the badass ladies. Not a good twist to preserve in a Black Widow movie.
the "very handy foot" throwaway line deserves more screen time 😂
Yesssss 😂😂
Totally unexpected and well delivered. Almost knocked me out of my chair.
Sometimes the english language is simply amazing
In Made in Abyss the English subtitles say 'a very handy hand' but it's just a coincidence. There is nothing weird about the sentence in Japanese. You know, other than it being about a robot boy's mechanical hand.
Made me spit out my toothpaste early lol
Echo has strong "kill all the henchmen but spare the big bad because killing him would make her no better than him" vibes
*because he needs to be in future products
Except that she already tried to kill him by shooting him in the goddam face.
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 Did someone say "marketing opportunity"?!
@@LucianDevine Yeah, but she's a hero now 🤷♂
exactly like blue beetle... huh.
'We have daredevil come in'
'He is from she hulk'
...
I cant even
Pretty funny stuff ey
That line caused me physical pain
@@judahboersma4163same
The absolute worst
i cant odd
"Daredevil! He's from She-Hulk!"
Bravo. That was the most offensive thing I've heard this year.
“That does seem to be what I’ve written” might be my favourite pitch meeting line of all time
"Weaponized therapy is tight." That line was WAY too funny to me. 😂😂
did ryan just inspire the CIA?
yeah for me too😂
Could I have some?
Given the amount of tragic backstories in comics, I'd imagine her phone would be ringing off the hook.
It's also extremely accurate. Most psychologists are nut jobs. It's why they got into psychology in the first place. They start out trying to fix themselves, but eventually decide you are the problem.
I didn't know what to expect from the show, but my bingo card definitely didn't include "Kingpin gets hit by magical therapy beam and runs for mayor in a genuine attempt to help people".
"He's from She-Hulk!" That made me laugh hysterically!
The absolute worst 🤣🤣🤣
Daredevils own show: am i a joke to you?
@Netrole Sorry, Disney is pretending that those never existed. Just like they are pretending the ABC shows never existed.
it made me cry a little.. cuz... it showed his outfit from his own show, not that attorney at without-law show
Look how they massacred my boy 😢
"A very handy foot" just made my coworker jump at my outburst 😂 😂
I love that producer guy said two less wows than usual because screenwriter guy saying “pow wow” counted as two wows 2:51
Was checking comments to see if anyone else noticed this lol
OH 😂
The best and most subtle dig of the whole episode is at the beginning when he says "So you've got some content for me" instead of "So you've got a TV Show for me."
Damn it, I didn't notice the first time. Brilliant.
It's all just filler now
💯
Exactly this, he's been doing that with Marvel _content_ recently I think.
Got all ready to type this and you beat me to it. 😂
I loved the “he’s gonna blow up a pow wow” “wow…wow” Producer guy saying it twice instead of 3 times was hilarious
Did you wipe and washed your hands?
NGL...took me a second to realize that was the joke 🤦♂️
4 times*
yeah, pow counted too @@TheGuyAcrossSpace
Probably trying to decide if it's culturally insensitive to use that word because it's been used by white people for so long or culturally insensitive for not using that word when it's an ancient tribal custom and commonly used by the people themselves. Woke politics can be complicated.
My favorite line “Weaponized Therapy is tight” - you hit it out of the ballpark again Ryan - pure genius
These pitch meetings are the best thing to come out of the MCU in years.
Just how serious and genuine the phrase "A very handy foot" sounds did it for me.
That was the best
i caught that too😂
I mean, it's true.
Take 63, ACTION!
A very footy hand
"Handy foot" deserves an award
I prefer "a pow-wow wow"
@@coltclassic best supporting joke
@@coltclassic ...wow
The upper hand is on the other foot - - - Loyd bridges in hot shots part deuax
"weaponized therapy is tight" honorable mention
I love how this pitch meeting just shows how Marvel stopped trying
marvel didn't stop trying they just seem to be trying too hard in the wrong departments.
Marvel shows how Marvel stopped trying. Pitch meeting is just gravy on the cake.
Salty and sweet!
"Oh! A very handy foot!"
I work in prosthetics, and I'm going to say that sometime.
One of my favorite jokes that Ryan does is when Writer Guy explains something to Producer Guy by saying “it says so right here.”
“That seems to be what I’ve written” like he was ripping acid during the writing process and doesn’t remember any of it lol
Right on top with "so the movie can happen"
@@SoupSultan well that’s what the paper says sir 📝
"that seems to be what I've written here..."
Ryan's comedic delivery has just gotten and better
One thing he missed was that the Marvel Spotlight banner was created for shows whose plots don’t rely heavily on the rest of the MCU. And yet the first show created for it revolves around characters from 2 other shows
I wouldn't be suprised if this is actually how the real pitch meeting went down.
'Sometimes it's gonna look like they're hitting each other' is so funny for no reason
It's funny because it's true
How's the choreography so bad
It's weird because some of that fight was really incredible but then other times it look like they filmed the rehearsal and put that up instead by accident. Thankfully it's really only bad during the bit Ryan shows in this video, most of the it was great.
Probably because it looked more like a dance routine than actual fighting 🤷🏽
@@m128alter2 Bastard. You stole my line!
"He's from She-Hulk!" I died a little inside at this line. Now if you'll forgive me I need to find my umbrella, it appears to be raining inside my room somehow.
I’m very excited each time Disney releases new shows and/or movies because I know there will be a hilarious new Pitch Meeting episode soon afterward.
“By not dying!!!” I literally laughing rolling on the floor 😂😂😂
This is a series that I had forsaken to watch only the pitch meeting for as soon as I had heard that they were making it. Thanks for the update Ryan! I'll be awaiting your next pitch meeting of Marvel stuff.
"Do you think it's bad that we have to lure people now?" "It might not be..."
The "that seems to be what I've written here"-type joke is probably my favourite one in this entire series. Double points if producer guy immediately follows up by going "GOOD".
it's like writer guy is almost surprised he wrote something that bad and didn't care enough to do better.
@@ryanbarker5217 Writing scripts out of your mind on blow is tight!
By not dying!
That was an excellent (and even a tad subtle) line!
But I think my favorite might have been, "Pow Wow, wow . . . . . . .wow.".
Some franchises definitely seem to have a "the first draft stands, even if written while high" policy.
Remember seeing the add for the first time, and I became genuinely excited for the Pitch Meeting
"A very handy foot" and "weaponized therapy" = comedy gold, genius sir!
"oooh weaponized therapy is TIGHT!!"
😂😂
I love the tight lines 😂😂
This one killed me 😄
@@DiegoBello same 🤣
Weaponized therapy gets the blue ribbon for this video!
Tight lines are tight!!
@@matthooper5059 yeah yeah yeah 😜
“ A Pow Wow”
“Wow…wow” - the subtlety is brilliant 😂
The number of different iterations he has for this line is astounding. This one was a chef's kiss.
“A very handy foot!” also. Lovely 😂
I activity searched for a comment about this ‘wow…wow’ version just to feel like I’m not the only person to think it was just that good
Being subtle is tight
This is what I came to say 😂😂😂 I love this!!!
I laughed so hard when he said “He’s from she-hulk”😭
"A pow-wow"
"...wow....wow." 😂
I like how Maya just lets Kingpin go after he kidnaps her family and tries to blow up her hometown. Totally consistent character witing through and through. One of the Marvel shows ever!
exactly the plotline of blue beetle. talk about lazy writing.
Have.. have any of y'all read comics before? They're telling stories about comic book characters.
As always kill the henchman and not the big bad boss
Traumatizes him instead
I like you saying "One of the Marvel shows ever!" You're not wrong
@@rimothytimothy1398 comics ≠ terrible writing. Have YOU ever read a comic book?
If Disney ever wanted to get better than what they have been lately, Ryan has literally made multiple instructional 4-minute videos that tell them step by step what to fix.
You give them way too much credit for self-reflection.
it 's not as easy you know also even if he is still gonna do these
They don't care about creating good content. All they care about are profits and shoving political agendas down everyone's throats.
Disney is so far in the dumps they might as well just use ChatGPT to write their scripts so we'd get the best of both worlds, i.e. much better shows but still plenty of material for Ryan to poke fun at.
He literally doesn’t though. This is the problem with many fans of these types of videos, they think it’s actual criticism, not merely making jokes, partially about perceived flaws. Criticism tells you the error, and how to fix it. Pitch meeting does that only in scenarios where the problem is braindead in the first place, like the WW84 bodyswap.
Pitch Meetings are WAY more entertaining than the actual presentation. Saved me hundreds, if not thousands! Thank you, Ryan!
"A very handy foot." Is my new catch phrase! 😂😂😂
"What are the powers?" "Glowy ones"..
I'm sure that's exactly how the Echo creativity team came up with that one 😂😂
Glowy stuff is Tight!
@@user-go4vz2ir6rDanny Rand agrees.
As a licensed clinical psychologist, “Weaponized therapy is tight!” is now my new motto.
Get a cross stitch of the motto on your office wall!
I'd see a therapist who said that. :)
Sure bud
"A very handy-foot" ....Frickin love this dude !
"What a handy foot."
Holy heavens that made me have to pause. "Pow , wow, wow." ... Golden!
The ''by not dying'' bit had me dying
Not only am I wondering how Kingpin survived being shot in the face at point blank range, I’m scratching my head wondering how all his key henchmen managed to survive the warehouse explosion. “By not dying” is as good an explanation as any.
me too lmao
Clearly you're not as good as Kingpin is then
But you could choose to not dying like him
“Aaaho, This guy’s good!”
I nearly passed out laughing at the 'a very handy foot'
These shows are only good because we get these pitch meetings
It's not like ECHO Echo echo is gonna kick you out of bed...
2:03
Man I seriously look forward to your videos coming out. Thank you for the laughs 🙏
Missed opportunity not mentioning that the band who made the theme is called Yeah Yeah Yeahs
“So he cries and runs away”
Lmao that part had me dying🤣🤣🤣
Pitch meetings write themselves at this point
@@LuisSierra42 At this point Ryan needs to just state what happens in a Disney show, and it's inherently _hilarious_ content.
Weaponized therapy 👌😂
Had me wondering wtf, Disney. Somehow a bad guy who cries and runs away doesn't seem very threatening now or in future stories.
@@veganconservative1109that depends on the type of bad guy, but with the Kingpin this option is just nuts
The service this man is doing saving us all time from watching crappy marvel shows should earn him a medal
I bet the ratings for the Pitch Meeting beat the actual show here.
You should watch, its actually pretty cool
This show wasn’t bad though… until the end
@@kanyerahming that finale did more than enough damage. Not looking forward to Super-Grandma showing up in the next Avengers: Endgame moment lol
@@anchovy313 lmao same. I really did like the show tho, the last ep just ruined everything but at least kingpin was good
I wasn't sure I was going to like Echo, but in the second half the character develoment made me cry.
"Hes from She-Hulk!"
How absolutely dare you sir! With that being said I love your content keep it up! 😂
I want to know if "736 new characters" was just an educated guess, or if Ryan went to the trouble of counting them for us. He's so dedicated!
Very dedicated of Disney to create all those characters just so Ryan could briefly mention them, ever so briefly. They are true fans.
736 sounds plausable
Being dedicated is tight! 😂
I mean, if you count stuff like "Thug #4" or whatever then sure, maybe. Can't wait for his spin-off.
I wondered the same thing!!! Ryan is just that thorough, so he may have counted. But more than likely, it's an educated guess based on the -crap- content Marvel has put out recently. 🤣😂😅
I think the worst thing about how stupid Kingpin's defeat is here is like...he'd ALREADY faced and come to terms with his haunted past, in Netflix' Daredevil. He'd faced and accepted killing his father to protect his mother. He didn't regret it, and he'd accepted it had made him into the man he was. He wasn't afraid of it. So it just came off like such a lazy regressive copout Echo 'broke' him all of a sudden by dredging up a past he'd already buried.
but hes a man and a man is trash and shes a girl and therefore has to win.
oh vincent donofrio, what happened to you, man. i hope the paycheck was worth it
Gotta make her that important/relevant/impactful enough to gauge his old scars. Word 🤷♀️
Thank you for reminding me of that.
The thing is it's a pain that he still holds on to. The 'acceptance' he has is still a cover he uses to not have to truly confront it (especially given his anger issues still persisting). So Echo was able to remove that cover and force him to truly face his trauma; not hold on to the empowerment he got from killing him but to truly come to grips with the helplessness, fear and pain he had to endure.
But you see,that is an alternate reality Kingpin that didn't do that,so rehashing it is ok.
In fact,redoing all successful plot threads with the multiverse excuse should be done as often as possible.
"it can be hard to find the time to sit down and watch" A 4-MINUTE VIDEO!! It's so sad what tiktok and yt shorts have done to people. keep up the good work.
Look at how much time we all just saved watching this? What a gift Ryan is.
Ryan's talent for delivering lines to make them as funny as they can be, is second to none. Nobody else could have pulled this series off for so long.
That's called timing. Yes, he has very good timing. Not just with himself either. You should watch him in some of his collaborative stuff. He is always funny.
@@archangel1of7 True. His stuff worth Julie Nolke is hilarious!
Pow wow wow..wow
Pretty easy, barely an inconvenience.
Nolkeis cringe thi I think she ruins it.
Watching a four minute pitch meeting instead of the entire show is tight!
I did both, actually.
The show's pretty good actually. Low stakes, good action, good character stuff. It's worth watching if you have a weekend free.
It's super easy! I don't even bother with Disney's stupid content anymore, I just wait until videos like this are made.
@@murlocaggrob2192 Sure it is :)
@@M0nlyfans Correct, it is. It's not amazing or anything, but I enjoyed it.
You know, I realize why they changed Echo's original powers from the comics to be different in the show. They gave it to us already in the Black Widow movie, female mute Taskmaster. They OBVIOUSLY couldn't do it again for this show.
Yes, Echo has always been a Taskmaster ripoff
But that's the thing. When the Black Widow movie came out, I don't know if they realized that they gave us Echo by accident (when they changed Taskmaster in the movie). Then when the show came out, they just gave Echo new powers just because.@@simoneidson21
Echo: I thought I killed you. How did you survive?
Kingpin: My uncle is Palpatine.
You know, I'm not usually surprised in these. Awful movies and shows tend to be very predictable. But "she touchs him with her glowing mind powers and makes him confront his childhood trauma" came out of left field
From what I understand the show itself doesn't set it up much better.
@mikespearman1414 It really doesn't, but honestly I don't blame the show. It was really promising, with some really interesting characters, but Disney only gave them 6 episodes to work with and everything felt crammed. Just 1 or 2 more episodes and it wouldn't have felt so rushed.
@@TheFiddleFaddle I second this and would like to add that I thought the performances were generally pretty solid (especially Fisk, of course). She really only fully discovers her powers in the final episode, definitely crammed.
@@TheFiddleFaddle Then they cut it down to 5 episodes which tightened the reigns even further. There was a really good concept in there, and the performances were all good, but it's clear that too much was left on the cutting room floor.
That was Spock's brother's schtick in one of the worse Star Trek movies.
“Pow wow” “wow… wow”
I imagine Ryan having that joke on his desk from like Day 2 haha
I clicked on this just to see what comedy they would make of the pitch meeting for echo and UA-cam literally gave me the echo ad beforehand. You can't make this shit up bro 😂
Okay, so we just saw an ad for the new Road House. I think we need a Pitch Meeting about it when it comes out, which also means we could use a Pitch Meeting on the original Road House.
Hope these get made.
I love Pitch Meetings because they save me so much time and are far more entertaining than watching the show itself 🙏🏻
100% 😂 what a awful show lol
@@faaip The show was fine He makes fun of all shows and movies. It doesn't mean they are bad. He even had rips about the original Aladdin and the 1st Jurassic Park Movie and they are regarded as fantastic.
@@KEeosFight
ThE sHoW wAs FiNe....
Okay NPC
@@LaMigraTX seriously
@@KEeosFight I agree the show was fine. Don't give this guy too much attention
“ That [certainly] seems to be what I’ve written here” is one of my favorite screenwriter guy lines despite (or possibly because of) the fact that Ryan uses it pretty sparingly.
Why did you use editorial brackets and add "certainly?"
@@mg1342mg If memory serves, he sometimes puts “certainly” in there when he uses that line; at least that’s the way it lives in my brain. I could be wrong though, just covering my bases.
My biggest issue with Echo is that half the time they’re signing they don’t put subtitles so you’re just sitting there watching people pretty much look at each other and move their hands.
No idea of the context.
I just realized that what Maya did to Kingpin is like what Professor X did to Magneto in the X-Men Animated Series, reliving their past trauma
Weaponized therapy is a hilarious concept
This video is weaponized therapy
Weaponized therapy is something Hannibal Lecter's been doing it for decades.
could be a Steven Universe power honestly
Pretty sure that’s the plot of evangelion
@@theantsaretakingover "Shinji, there's only one sure way to defeat that monster. You have to pretend that it's me", -Gendo (NGE One-Shot, by LittleKuriboh)
0:55 “…and *sometimes* it’s going to look like they’re hitting each other” 😂😂
But not very often. Like maybe once.
I have no idea why they used that in the pre-release marketing for the show. I probably wasn't gonna watch it anyway, but I can't imagine someone getting hyped up to watch a show where the action part they found worthy of highlighting had choreography and stunt work that looked like a high school project. Like, were the other fight scenes later in the show - presumably with higher stakes - somehow worse?
@07m07 yes.
"That seems to be what I've written here".... I'm dead. 😂😂😂
These videos used to be a fun appendix to MCU stuff that I used to watch, but now I have completely replaced my MCU watching with watching only these pitch meetings. Thank you, Ryan! You're a sanity saviour and your sacrifice of watching their stuff is highly appreciated.
"A very handy foot" is a brilliant turn of phrase!
“A very handy foot” 😆
That was way funnier than it had any right to be
Got round to echo just yesterday... it was alright. it certainly wasn't as bad secret invasion or falcon and winter soldier. As usual with most MCU tv shows, they didn't stick the ending.. but overall it was entertaining enough to have not felt like i wasted 5 hours.
"He's from She Hulk".
You don't know how much damage you did to my soul with this line
‘“He’s from She Hulk!” 0:54 Legitimately hurt my feelings 😂
Thank you Ryan for keeping me in the loop of what is going on in the MCU. I wasn't even aware there had been a Hawkeye show.
The Hawkeye series was surprisingly good, I thought.
I would rather watch Ryan summarise Marvel then waste my time actually watching it.
Damn. Somehow Marvel has done the impossible... made its universe so dull that I barely paid attention to a Pitch Meeting about a show in it. That's some bad second-hand boring.
@@milesbismarck Head surgeon in the show MASH.
@@milesbismarck That bow guy from that movie released 13 years ago.
"Weaponized therapy is TIGHT!"
-- my new favorite line.
Everything you said about it was true. But I liked it anyway because I felt it had a pretty good representation of CASE (Conceptually Accurate Signed English) (it uses the same signs as ASL so sometimes people call it that. But it's actually very difficult to speak in English *and* sign in ASL at the same time because the syntaxes are all different. So there's things like CASE instead/in addition to.)
Every time you say the line “barely an inconvenience” it makes my day. I laugh every time.
"A pow-wow"
"Wow ...wow".
God that's a good bit lol
Had to rewind that one!
It was beautiful
That is like THE GREATEST reason I've heard for why/how someone escapes death "by not dying"🤣 Ryan comes up with the best phrases I decided! Coming up with them is super easy, barely an inconvenience! Maya wanted Kingpin to not be an alive person anymore. She tried to do a murder on him, but it didn't work.
She should've just put him in a room.
Otherwise known as “plot armor”.
Just "GIT GUD" and you will never die.
@@picklecage5488 LOL YES! That too. 🤣
1:00 "Man, it's really gonna help with marketing to have Daredevil in this show. We're gonna lean into that heavily!"
I have no doubt somebody at Marvel uttered those words at some point in development for this show.
I can't believe these pitch meeting skits are still going!
“He’s from She-Hulk!”
😂😂😂 how dare you
He IS talking about DAREdevil, so…
@@SPFarFromHome I’m lightheartedly poking at the fact Daredevil had his own very successful show that he could’ve/should’ve referenced instead. I think he chose She-Hulk on purpose to make a funny. ❤️
@@iamjustinllamas ik I just thought it was funny that you said how dare you when his name has the word dare in it.
@@SPFarFromHome hahahaha I’m dumb. Good one
@@iamjustinllamas thnx
As far as I’m concerned, this is precisely how the real pitch meeting at Marvel happened; word for word
yep, canon
Real? You just watched CCTV footage of the studio..
Nah, I don't think Disney even bothered here. The director had made a couple of movies with average to bad score, the actress had never acted before...
No, but I would have wanted to hear the meeting where Bob Iger told them the show was so bad they had to cut out so much really terrible content the show got 3 episodes shorter. That would had been fun to watch. And yeah, it must have been really bad when this is the 5 "good" episodes.
This is not parody. It is a documentary. Why are you laughing?
@@johnnylams3948 No it isn't, if Ryan bothered to comment on every single plot hole and bad decisions it would have taken hours and become less and less funny.
2:26 come on. This is Kingpyn. You KNOW how he survived. The dude is tough and durable as heck! He essentially has super strength so of course he can survive a bullet, even in the eye.
As this show was a huge moment for the Native American Community, in highlighting so much culture; it's sad that they didn't followup a connection between the What If Season 2 Finale with the people that Echo descended from. The MCU in it's first 3 Phases was so well connected, but it seems today that random directors and creators are being brought in who have no loyalty to the previous MCU Storylines and the fanbase is not happy.
Quizzical look... "From Oklahoma??!??"
I died... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"A very handy foot."
That's gold, Jerry. GOLD.
Watch out, or the 🅱️ancient one will get you
“Dare Devils from She Hulk”
The most anger inducing sentence I’ve ever heard.
"a very handy foot" this is the gold i keep coming here to get
"We introduced 736 characters last year"😂
I know, right? That number seems low. 🤣😂
"A VERY HANDY FOOT" 😂😂😂 Ryan's writing kills me 😂😂
Far From Home was the cherry on top of the Marvel sundae 10 years in the making. I haven't watched a single piece of MCU content since then, and can't imagine ever even wanting to.
Surprised there was no mention of Kingpin’s translator device that turn his spoken words into ASL gestures instead of just written words
"Do you think it's bad we have to lure people now? Got me 😂
"A very handy foot" is such a gem of a line
2:03
The punniest!
When watching these, I honestly think that the two characters are different people.
BTW - I gave up watching Echo after half an episode, so this pitch meeting was perfect for me to find out what happened, without having to actually spend the time watching the whole series. Thanks Ryan!! 🙂
2 episodes. Not doing anymore
"How did he survive getting shot directly in the face?
By not dying.
Oh this guy's good."