Julia was barred from this episode to prevent the cataclysmic event that would occur if she were to fit a roomful of vampires into the silhouette of *s p h e a l*
What kills me the most is... That her lower body is facing us, but she's twisting to look at us. Like... It would have been so easy for Karina to use the feet as feet. And it could have made sense. But her chaos could not be contained.
I'm obsessed with the fact that Jacob could recognize that it was Sonic's foot so early on. He's learned to recognize Sonic by even the smallest of details.
He opened the flood gates, and then every one of them did more than one character and added stuff outside the silhouette. Cause Nathan is a true leader!
Pre render it kinda looked like Piglet convinced Eeyore to murder Poo, and Eeyore’s desperately trying too drown poo and stuff his carcass into a tiny, tiny log. Idk why that specifically came to mind when i saw that tho…
The entire time I was looking at piglet I thought his ear was a continuation of his head that was covered by the bow… a lot of things were realized when I saw the render. Long headed piglet may remain in my nightmares though
I feel like Angelica’s neck should have been the back of Pooh’s shirt, like that was what they were pulling him out by. Rather than them firmly grasping him by the taint
"I dont know what this is" "a fish" "its a fish" i cant call it improv but the way karina consistently provides her very first thought with no editing whatsoever is just something else
@@flop7676 See, I was just picturing the pigtails as blood because his head popped. Clearly, his little t-shirt was too tight compressing his upper body, leaving the bulge below, so obviously his head would be blowing up like a balloon as well.
Part of me wishes they just created misshapen monstrosities. But the pure chaos of them trying to fit the actual characters into those shapes was priceless xD
When Nathan stuffed poo in the log, and they talked about the "neck", I was so pleasantly surprised. I was like, "Oh man! He's going to be pulling Pooh up by the shirt, and the shirt will be perfect to fit into the slender neck!" and then I heard, "Grabbing Pooh by the taint"... oh...
Nathan may have failed this challenge objectively, but at least he succeeded in completely and utterly annihilating my mental health by forcing me to witness this Boschian hellscape of an image. You may be thinking "you were not forced to watch this", but I was. I was unable to look away no matter how hard I tried
the amount that daria is twisted is making my back hurt also i'm in love with the idea that all three of these are s mear frames, meant to be read in motion. fun all around
It's never a bad idea to warm up with a Nathan. Sometimes he gives us Jurassic Falsehoods,but he always eases us in to the terror of the rest of the episode, so nicely.
I've started to enjoy the term "In your mind's eye" because I have Aphantasia, which I literally cannot imagine anything, but I enjoy it causes it's one of those curious things I get to explore via others to get an idea of what it's kind of like. IDK I think it's always fun!
My second-cousin has Aphantasia as well, though he's still only 6 at the moment. I suppose we'll see where life takes him. On another note, I really like your pfp!! It's quite stylish.
Vinni-Pukh is outstanding, and my first introduction to it was a Russian man playing it without subtitles, and then translating random lines here and there while laughing. And I can't imagine a better way to be introduced to it. Also, Jacob's drawing is a legitimate possibility for a Hey Arnold! episode.
I love how oddly normal Jacob's Hey Arnold! Fanart became, and how cute Karina's Dariah and Sonic MMORPG fanart was, and that Nathan picked up Julia's lack of appearance while still being oddly cute and vile simultaneously.
The fact that Karina knows the Soviet "Winnie the Pooh" cartoon and considers it a "superior version" is wild to me. I wonder what she thinks of the Soviet "Treasure Island". I watchd these cartoons all my childhood...
lol, i was looking for a comment like that. i don't really remember Treasure island, ig i watched it several times when i was a kid but i wasn't really picky to animation style after all Soviet animation: it's all really unique and i just loved the plots (but those Armenian cartoons, those with fish-faced mermaid, still killed my mental health)
No, no! I don’t trust this one. Last time I watched a Drawfee ep before a job interview I blew it. I’m not messing up my brain with another cursed video. There is no way this is a normal one.
Suggestion: The four corners challenge: You take the silhouette of a person or character and split it up into four quadrants. Each artist gets a quadrant to draw their own version of the character in a speed draw and at the end the pieces are put back together to reveal the monstrosity
"You're at your desk..." _"But its the t h e a t r e of the mind 🌈✨"_ "You're asking SO much of me." _"Karina just imagine!"_ I stand by what I've said: Drawfee has 2 modes of improv. "You said a funny weird thing? Let me repeat that for you ❤️" and "Wut? Yes, and... so what?!" 💔
Everyone has to draw a drawfee host/friend of the progrumme animorphing into another drawfee host/friend of the progrumme. What's halfway between a Nathan and a Karina? The public must know!
@@audreydeatherage2131 I just pictured Pooh with a thin neck and tassels on his ears. He could have something around his waist, and his hands pushing down on something.
"I didn't know until I did." Honestly, with that one, I didn't even know it after I did...I definitely forget it every time I am told, so it is a new surprise every time.
My first initial thought on Nathan's was a sexy shirt take off but it got stuck forming the pig tails and oddly shaped honey pot in front to form skirt(?) with Winnie conforming to the rest of the silhouette.
On the topic of back-up things: my brother had a favourite toy cat when he was little called Bob Bob, which I think came from a promotional toilet roll scheme? Anyway, he LOVED Bob Bob, so my parents ordered some more (including a special edition Big Bob) and would switch between the Bobs as they needed a wash etc. Eventually my brother found the cache of back-up Bobs and they became essential toys in his stash, and were duly renamed: Bob; Contingency Bob; and Bob the Third
Immediately upon seeing Pooh and Angelica I was like "oh, Winnie the Pooh's shirt is way too tight, so Angelica's dress and giant head is Pooh's excess body spilling out of his tiny shirt."
when i saw nathan's one i was immediately like "the pigtails can be like his ears somehow, maybe he's wearing a hat" "that's no skirt, pooh's just really fat!"
i like that, in the process of rendering nathan’s, he made the end of the log hollow. so therefore it is even more unclear how much of the log is hollow and how much isn’t
The clear upside of the Kick in the Head tier is that, if a member of the team is going to kick me in the head, that means I get to meet a member of the team!
Listening to this episode like a podcast makes this so wild… “if you’re not pulling your bestie out of a log by their teeth/butthole…” I’m sorry what did I miss?
Jacob really putting Eugene’s lore in here correctly, since he canonically LOVES interpretive dance and owned a beloved fish. And we know that Arnold can break dance from the episode where he “fights” Harold after school
Lmao imagine one of these is to fit the onceler into the grinch ALSO goodness Nathan’s render is beautiful, and I like to imagine karina’s is like a lil side story in the sonic butthole universe
“So they’re grabbing Pooh by the taint” is the WORST sentence I have EVER HEARD.
I’m glad to be supporting you guys on Patreon
Lol, ditto
I was eating when Jacob said that and almost choked lol
I’d like to say that as a non-native English speaker, Drawfee TAUGHT me the word taint, which I feel says a lot about the essence of the show
I was not prepared for this sentence
It had better be at 'we come to your house and kick you in the head at full force' tier.
Nathan rendered his monstrosity so lovingly.
Absolutely!
I hit me in the face in a good wholesome way
He did really good, I love how he re-did the log
Julia was barred from this episode to prevent the cataclysmic event that would occur if she were to fit a roomful of vampires into the silhouette of *s p h e a l*
Wait what if they did a similar challenge to this one but they have to fit the Julia pokemon abominations into the original Pokemon silhouette
@@dolfuny ooo hu hu hu huuuuu! This would be next level. Monstrous, but hilarious and kind of amazing.
@@dolfuny Or the opposite. Fitting Pokémon Spheal into Julia Spheal. I dont want them to get too creative, just stretch that thing!
A Spheal full of Vampires!
Ok but now I desperately need to see her attempt (and complete) such a feat
"is that sonic's foot?!" the betrayal in jacob's voice
What kills me the most is... That her lower body is facing us, but she's twisting to look at us.
Like... It would have been so easy for Karina to use the feet as feet. And it could have made sense. But her chaos could not be contained.
420 likes, perfection
I'm obsessed with the fact that Jacob could recognize that it was Sonic's foot so early on. He's learned to recognize Sonic by even the smallest of details.
@@weebjeez Obviously Daria has a mechanized waist that can swivel 360° on a whim.
@@skin_lizard Livin' the dream.
It’s a beautiful day when Nathan establishes the episode’s baseline as “chaotic and kinda vile”
Tbh that's exactly how I'd describe UA-cam as a whole, and Drawfee specifically, all the time.
Emphasis on Nathan. The others establish that constantly
"fitting one character" as Nathan proceeds to draw more than one, "into another" and he drew Piglet outside the silhouette. Nathan is such a rebel.
A Julia move
the true bad boy of drawfee
Honestly though, his is the only one that still had a recognizable silhouette
They all drew a little outside of the silhouette though, it's allowed :)
He opened the flood gates, and then every one of them did more than one character and added stuff outside the silhouette. Cause Nathan is a true leader!
The desperation of “this is a smear frame” absolutely broke me. Fantastic drawfin this episode
I understand typos happening my dude
But like drawfin adds to this comment
Truly amazing
@@SoulSlugArts almost positive it’s not a typo cuz they say drawfin all the time lol
@@SoulSlugArts they have "drawfin' soon" up before the streams
Now I know and knowfin is half the battle
The other half is extreme violence
The complete and utter lack of expression on Arnold’s face is terrifying beyond words. Well done!
He is so concentrated on stopping that he ascended
The fact that this is terrifying to "Mr. Horrible" says so much
I just keep thinking about the spin
Nathan inside Jacob's silhouette is incredibly scary
Like why is it so meltyyyyyy
why so much beard
Bigfoot
99% beard
1% Nathan, free him, he’s being consumed by the facial hair
It’s a Wookie
Nathan really out here doing his best with the most incredible bullshit the universe could throw his way, and I love him for that XD
Ah MissNomer! I love your animatics
As cursed as it is, Nathan’s final render is so charming. Well done!
Right it actually looks really cute.
It was real gorgeous
Pre render it kinda looked like Piglet convinced Eeyore to murder Poo, and Eeyore’s desperately trying too drown poo and stuff his carcass into a tiny, tiny log. Idk why that specifically came to mind when i saw that tho…
I feel like Nathan wouldn't have had this kind of power a few years ago. Like everyone else of the Drawfee crew he's grown as an artist :)
The render looks so exactly like the Winnie the Pooh art style, it's astounding
Karina had such an easy out for the two feet and chose not to. Respect
I lost my mind when Nathan drew Piglet in the negative space - I feel like I was seeing the universe's greatest secret
The entire time I was looking at piglet I thought his ear was a continuation of his head that was covered by the bow… a lot of things were realized when I saw the render. Long headed piglet may remain in my nightmares though
@@thatonegingerchick4666 Same. It blew my mind when I finally saw it.
@@richardderatte6672 I need more information
I feel like Angelica’s neck should have been the back of Pooh’s shirt, like that was what they were pulling him out by. Rather than them firmly grasping him by the taint
heretic
He's a bear... With a tail.
No they did it right
But then what about my fanfiction???
@@jonahwieber5070 but the canon they confirmed was that it was his taint, unfortunately
"I only say horrible things when prompted" ...that actually makes alot of sense, coming from Karina.
I took her emphasis to mean that, when prompted to speak, horrible things are all she can muster.
@ 14:04
Karina and the enablers
Let's put "I didn't know it before I did" in the same pile as "can you believe to learn" and "think of what you think when you think of red"
I second the motion
The classic "people die when they are killed" out of context
i can only imagine how horrifying julia’s attempt at this challenge would have been
That's the reason why she was not allowed to drawf todayyy🤣🤣
"so the prompt wasn't to create an entire scene within the silhouette?"
@Drawfee Show
Please, may we have one of this challenge with Julia?
#makeupwork
@@lektik2941 Hahahaha, I can totally see that!
Jacob: "This is the darkest image ever produced."
Clearly Jacob has blocked Julia's Little Tikes Cozy Coupe from his memory.
Gah!! Which episode was that from?? I can't remember!!
@@Alizudo it’s from the Thomas the tank one.
@@alibarkhordarian8100
Bless your heart
The way this became 'fit the cast of a show into a silhouette'
And Sonic. Of course.
Sonic was my favorite Daria character. Fun fact, he was actually also originally from Beavis and Butthead
"I dont know what this is" "a fish" "its a fish" i cant call it improv but the way karina consistently provides her very first thought with no editing whatsoever is just something else
very stream of consciousness
To be honest, I would have jammed Pooh into that shape without remorse
Same lmao. He could have worn eeyore’s tails in some sort of grisly battle-helmet trophy.
@@LornaDoom. wow I was just thinking his ears were long and tied up with bows but I like your idea a lot
@@flop7676 See, I was just picturing the pigtails as blood because his head popped. Clearly, his little t-shirt was too tight compressing his upper body, leaving the bulge below, so obviously his head would be blowing up like a balloon as well.
Same. I would say the silhouette has a lot of smear frame energy...
Karina’s “double attack” got me CACKLING, what an uppercut
Shame that Julia was not here for this one, I would look forward to her jamming a roomfull of vampires into the silhouette.
Make-up work! 😃
I’m so angry that Nathan accidentally came full circle and drew a completely believable and pretty much canon Pooh plot line
Karina's "don't expect me to breathe until I've had my morning poop and scream" cracked me up
jacob’s hey arnold (from hey arnold) looks so empty. he’s never experienced a thought. he’s a shell of a man
"Not in THAT sort of way, but in a perfectly innocent and ... normal way."
*"HMMMmmmmm."*
Part of me wishes they just created misshapen monstrosities. But the pure chaos of them trying to fit the actual characters into those shapes was priceless xD
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Karina's "Not with that attitude..." that totally flew under the radar? :D
yes but only a little
Time stamp?
@@SimrohnIftekhar 2:58
When Nathan stuffed poo in the log, and they talked about the "neck", I was so pleasantly surprised. I was like, "Oh man! He's going to be pulling Pooh up by the shirt, and the shirt will be perfect to fit into the slender neck!" and then I heard, "Grabbing Pooh by the taint"... oh...
Nathan was fighting for his life with this one. Peak entertainment. Please do this again!
I love how Nathan didn't even fit the top half of Winnie the Pooh into the actual silhouette but he DID fit Pooh's butt into it
Nathan in Jacob's silhouette looks like something out of a Dr. Seuss book
Dr Drawfee
Ohhh they should do a Dr Seuss themed episode where they have to draw the characters only from description or something 😂
It does lol
Daria is unamused by your attempts to sneak up on Sonic while he’s busy reading his post-shower newspaper
The protector he needed.
You know you’ve reached the depths of desperation on the show when you pull out the “smear frame”
33:10 "Dont even expect me to breath until I've had my morning poop and scream" Karina 2022, this may be the most important phrase uttered on Draffee
Nathan may have failed this challenge objectively, but at least he succeeded in completely and utterly annihilating my mental health by forcing me to witness this Boschian hellscape of an image. You may be thinking "you were not forced to watch this", but I was. I was unable to look away no matter how hard I tried
The thing is, by the rules of the challenge which they blatantly ignored, all of them lost. And Nathan's just has a better render
Nathan didn’t fail the challenge, the challenge failed him.
To be fair, the rules of the challenge were explicitly, "I think there are no rules."
As someone who hyperfixated on Winnie the Pooh for the first 9 years of my life, Nathan's drawing makes me unnaturally happy
Karina: "His body?"
Jacob: "...."
Karina: "Come oooon"
I appreciate the tired dad energy
taking a leaf out of Spencer’s book
This is a serious "Jigglypuff as seen from above" ass challenge, and I love it.
I love how Jacob basically turned pooh drowning in honey into a bible story basically.
Shoutout to all my fellow boot-wearing, dry-humored brunettes who've been compared to Daria but have never seen her show.
Nathan is honestly so talented for being able to figure that out and make it work
Jacob: "Hey guys! I've got an idea; buy me some time!"
Me:
"Then the Jacob got an idea...
an _awful_ idea;
The Jacob got a _wonderful,_ *awful* idea."
you’ve heard of Fruit by the Foot, now get ready for Pooh by the Taint
I'd really rather not D:
I can’t decide if I want to like or dislike this
@@et6521 tbh I hate my brain for thinking of it so I don’t blame you
the amount that daria is twisted is making my back hurt
also i'm in love with the idea that all three of these are s
mear frames, meant to be read in motion. fun all around
Sonic will never be this wholesome again. Not in Karina's hands at least.
Nathan's end render is so good???? It looks really legit
I loved everyone's drawings in this one, but Nathan continues to hit it out of the park! Amazing 100 acre wood fanart!
Exactly what I was gonna say Nathan killed this!!
It's never a bad idea to warm up with a Nathan. Sometimes he gives us Jurassic Falsehoods,but he always eases us in to the terror of the rest of the episode, so nicely.
this is so fun to watch because I had no idea how they were going to tackle some parts of the silhouettes, nathan had me seeing in the 5th dimension
Nathan's render in this episode is lovely.
I've started to enjoy the term "In your mind's eye" because I have Aphantasia, which I literally cannot imagine anything, but I enjoy it causes it's one of those curious things I get to explore via others to get an idea of what it's kind of like. IDK I think it's always fun!
My second-cousin has Aphantasia as well, though he's still only 6 at the moment. I suppose we'll see where life takes him.
On another note, I really like your pfp!! It's quite stylish.
"I'm just sorta goin one impossible shape at a time" -Nathan. Art 101 baby
Literally. You big _art 101 baby!_
Vinni-Pukh is outstanding, and my first introduction to it was a Russian man playing it without subtitles, and then translating random lines here and there while laughing. And I can't imagine a better way to be introduced to it.
Also, Jacob's drawing is a legitimate possibility for a Hey Arnold! episode.
I love Karina bursting out laughing when Jacob says "you can't tell me this doesn't make perfect sense"
It really was vitalizing
I love how oddly normal Jacob's Hey Arnold! Fanart became, and how cute Karina's Dariah and Sonic MMORPG fanart was, and that Nathan picked up Julia's lack of appearance while still being oddly cute and vile simultaneously.
Karina absolutely KNOWS her target demographic
It’s actually impressive how on the money Nathan was with his silhouette. I can’t unsee the silhouette from his final drawing
The fact that Karina knows the Soviet "Winnie the Pooh" cartoon and considers it a "superior version" is wild to me.
I wonder what she thinks of the Soviet "Treasure Island".
I watchd these cartoons all my childhood...
Khalif the Stork. My sister still hates it from when she watched it as a kid - I love it.
lol, i was looking for a comment like that. i don't really remember Treasure island, ig i watched it several times when i was a kid but i wasn't really picky to animation style after all Soviet animation: it's all really unique and i just loved the plots (but those Armenian cartoons, those with fish-faced mermaid, still killed my mental health)
But Vennie is kind of a badass haha
@@sashameneely8173 Well Piglet is the one who has a gun in that one.
Ohhhh, you guys should REALLY WATCH Soviet "Alenky cvetochek" (Аленький цветочек) that stuff was scary.
I feel like there should be a supercut of all the times Nathan has said "this is a nightmare" when he receives his prompt
No, no! I don’t trust this one. Last time I watched a Drawfee ep before a job interview I blew it. I’m not messing up my brain with another cursed video. There is no way this is a normal one.
LMAO 😭 good luck on your job interview! you can come back to this totally normal, not-at-all-weird episode to de-stress afterwards.
To the surprise of no one: your intuition was correct. Good luck with your interview!!
Yep, I am glad I saved this one. Some real what are you doing step bear moments that would not have helped me in my interview.
@@Bubblesthewitch yeah, good call haha. hope the interview went well!
Oh if anyone sees this I did get the job. Remember the Secret to success is no Drawfee before important professional moments.
I love how Karina's trend in the intros is so often "The straight man, but if the straight man just ignored the set up by saying 'no, what?' "
I didn’t wake up today intending to watch Winnie the Pooh auto-erotic asphyxiation, but now I’ve seen it and I have to live with that.
Livin' our best lives out here
This conjures memories of the hand turkeys episode, in that there was a pretty clear(-ish) goal, and it evolved into glorious monstrosities
Suggestion: The four corners challenge:
You take the silhouette of a person or character and split it up into four quadrants. Each artist gets a quadrant to draw their own version of the character in a speed draw and at the end the pieces are put back together to reveal the monstrosity
Yes! It's like a more cursed version of the folding a piece of paper game.
"You're at your desk..." _"But its the t h e a t r e of the mind 🌈✨"_
"You're asking SO much of me." _"Karina just imagine!"_
I stand by what I've said: Drawfee has 2 modes of improv.
"You said a funny weird thing? Let me repeat that for you ❤️"
and
"Wut? Yes, and... so what?!" 💔
Wow, Nathan's final render turned out so good
Alright can we appreciate Nathan making a beautiful background in his render? I know it’s small but adds so much to the drawing and it made me smile
Everyone has to draw a drawfee host/friend of the progrumme animorphing into another drawfee host/friend of the progrumme. What's halfway between a Nathan and a Karina? The public must know!
Oh my gosh, YES!
Make it a smear frame and I’m in
Drawfee Proghrum fusions!
@@demolisherinfinite8606 Hahaha, genius!
Jacob noticing Eugene's head shape in Scrooge's hat is pure genius.
Ive had a bit of a ✨burnout✨ and watching Nathan's drawing really cheered me up, im laughing so loudly my neighbours probably can hear it
Nathan assuring the others that Pooh was fine after they started joking about the context had such big brother energy.
*big bother energy
Draw Winnie the Pooh in Angelica's silhouette.
Me, thinking this will be easy and imagining the result
Nathan starts drawing
Me: ...👁️👄👁️
How did you imagine it? genuinely curious
what did you picture?? i cant come up with anything that would make sense lmao, please share
@@audreydeatherage2131 I just pictured Pooh with a thin neck and tassels on his ears. He could have something around his waist, and his hands pushing down on something.
"I didn't know until I did."
Honestly, with that one, I didn't even know it after I did...I definitely forget it every time I am told, so it is a new surprise every time.
My first initial thought on Nathan's was a sexy shirt take off but it got stuck forming the pig tails and oddly shaped honey pot in front to form skirt(?) with Winnie conforming to the rest of the silhouette.
When my eyes hurt from laughing, you know it's time for thanking.
I love how Drawfee's always here for me right when I need it.
This is just the Drawfee version of
“Who’s that Pokémon?”
“It’s pikachu!!”
“It’s clefairy!”
“FUCK”
"Negotiate his body situation" Idk why that made me laugh so hard lol
On the topic of back-up things: my brother had a favourite toy cat when he was little called Bob Bob, which I think came from a promotional toilet roll scheme? Anyway, he LOVED Bob Bob, so my parents ordered some more (including a special edition Big Bob) and would switch between the Bobs as they needed a wash etc. Eventually my brother found the cache of back-up Bobs and they became essential toys in his stash, and were duly renamed: Bob; Contingency Bob; and Bob the Third
Nathan in Jacob silhouette image is so cursed
Immediately upon seeing Pooh and Angelica I was like "oh, Winnie the Pooh's shirt is way too tight, so Angelica's dress and giant head is Pooh's excess body spilling out of his tiny shirt."
aaawnn nathan's drawing turned out to be so cute!!! the coloring is sooo soft!
I love that the response to, “what are the rules?” Is always, “there are no rules.”
Jacob I need you to know how hard I laughed at “Big Huny”
when i saw nathan's one i was immediately like "the pigtails can be like his ears somehow, maybe he's wearing a hat" "that's no skirt, pooh's just really fat!"
It takes great strength to hear someone say “the bees made a hole” and for nobody to say beehole
Nathan's log design is magical. Perfectly house style
This challenge is so fun it more than deserves a part 2. I'd love to see what Julia would bring to this chaos. Silhouette full of vampires, anyone?
i like that, in the process of rendering nathan’s, he made the end of the log hollow. so therefore it is even more unclear how much of the log is hollow and how much isn’t
The ultimate art excuse: "You know what, this is a smear frame"
The clear upside of the Kick in the Head tier is that, if a member of the team is going to kick me in the head, that means I get to meet a member of the team!
divine justice would have been Karina having to fit sonic into someone else xD
This is probably one of the best episodes of all time, had to rewatch it
Listening to this episode like a podcast makes this so wild… “if you’re not pulling your bestie out of a log by their teeth/butthole…” I’m sorry what did I miss?
You know it's gonna be a good episode when Nathan's turn *opens* with "This is a nightmare."
Nathan really reached into the void for this one. Flawless.
Alternatively, Jacob really threw us back into the void with his.
Jacob really putting Eugene’s lore in here correctly, since he canonically LOVES interpretive dance and owned a beloved fish. And we know that Arnold can break dance from the episode where he “fights” Harold after school
Lmao imagine one of these is to fit the onceler into the grinch
ALSO goodness Nathan’s render is beautiful, and I like to imagine karina’s is like a lil side story in the sonic butthole universe
oh you mean the SBU?
@@MCA5EY 😂😂
Can we just talk about how pretty the render on Nathan's horrible image was