Por que le pusieron nota baja a Alexandra en el ejercicio de suelo, si ella todos los ejercicios ejecutó perfectamente? Saltos muy altos, terminó las piruetas mucho antes de aterrizar en el suelo demostrando control de cuerpo, el aterrizaje no fue clavado pero la ejecución impecable, tanto longitudinal como transversal?
It really does show how much could have happened in London if she hadn’t had the acl injury. I’m not entirely convinced she’d have won bars though as that event got so much better from even early 2011 to the Olympics.
@@aguti7920 she would have, yes. The loss of the Amanar- a smart decision not to try for it- made the AA gold very very unlikely (not impossible, because anything could have happened). The beam fall was very surprising- and unfortunate but she never stopped fighting. That kind of mentality is why she won all the Olympic medals she did.
An issue the commentators are ignoring is how assignment of body position, and hence SV, for the vaults was made. Nellie Kim made it very clear in the code of points that certain criteria have to be met for a vault to even begin to be considered to be a layout vault. There was a graphic illustration showing vaults that would receive layout and those that would receive a piked downgrade. Otherwise people would do all sorts of crazy things just to get a higher SV. The vault somersault portion does not begin until the gymnast has reached a vertical position from repulsion off the table with the hands. (The preflight is irrelevant in all cases. )The gymnast is allowed to reach vertical with some pike in her body. However, if she wishes to have a layout start value credited she has to achieve a fully open position, close to 180° immediately and before starting the somersault. Then, the somersault needs to be performed in mostly layout position for no downgrade. If the gymnast does not show the open position at vertical and initiatives the somersault in any position other than straight body the vault is going to be downgraded and viewed as piked and given the lower SV. Watching both of the Russians in EF you can clearly see that they are piked as the go through vertical. They do not open into a layout stretched position and start somersaulting in an open piked position. Therefore, it cannot be credited as a layout vault and is downgraded to piked. The Russian coaches are just plain wrong, but are probably trying to save face. Surprisingly, Mustafina did do it correctly enough in qualifiers to get the layout credit. You can search for HV showing it on UA-cam.
The only thing that matters is that just prior to these Worlds, the WTC issued a Help Desk stating that performing a forward salto vault with more than a 1/2 twist in the piked position was "biomechanically impossible." Those rules should have been followed, period.
I know gold is what everyone strives for but it’d be so nice to see competitors appreciate silver & bronze too & to not act like they’ve died when they don’t get gold. 🙄🤷🏻♀️
@@brodypennno need to put words in people’s mouths, that’s the act of a toddler. There have been many who were very upset and disappointed with silver or bronze, it’s a part of the sport.
You’ve clearly never competed at the level these athletes are- in anything. When you have a dream of getting gold and fall short, it’s very understandable to be sad and upset.
What's interesting is in 1995 event finals five of the eight girls had Dismount with a full twist double back with full twist and now the girls don't do it anymore I think they've just for like more regiment to get the job done back then
Judges didn't take many deductions for awful form on dismounts back then if they were difficult. Nearly all of the full ins from the 90s would be hammered on execution even in 2010
Always problematic to me to hear these two's... mostly prefer positive but balanced approach as BBC commentators usually do, than these unnecessary shady way.
“Good thing the coach was right there....”. For what? She let her fall on her face. She’s not standing there to get a good view, she supposed to be spotting her, is it she?
@@keithtaego blow your attitude- toddler. Just jealousy over an Olympian, world champion and vastly accomplished athlete when you’ve likely accomplished nothing besides being immature.
I find it strange that in 1992 five of the eight girls did full twisting back dismounts, but in this one no one did any why do you think that is why were people doing tougher dismounts 20 years ago?
Bross was so overscored on beam. Her D score was lower than Mitchell and Linlin, and her execution is bad with ugly form, so there is no basis for her medaling. She also had one balance break, the same as the others.
Deng Linlin had multiple balance checks and a very stutter stop style routine- which was a deduction in itself. There was absolutely no flow at all. Same with Lauren, along with a couple of noticeable checks she had some flow issues in that routine. Rebecca’s form was just fine, there’s no “one size fits all” formula and the code allows for some leeway based on how a gymnast actually performs a certain skill.
@@admetric there are many American gymnasts who are overrated by mostly dominated american media on gymnastics, period. Ana was a light of REAL artistry when American supremacy started to make female gymnastics look too masculine and ugly. She was a really good bars worker, her beam routine was remarkable: great romanian style, difficulty, execution and artistry, all the package. She was not great in difficulty on floor and vault but her floor elegance is unmatchable. Make 90% of american gymnasts looking silly tenagers pretending to dance. It's not because she seems overscored there that she was overrated, 😉👍
@@nathanielhalls1893 Bross tied for silver, so it is unclear which you mean Alicia should have gotten bronze over. Since Deng who tied Bross for silver is way better than Bross, I assume you meant the perennialy overscored Bross.
Lauren completed all of her dance elements to their fullest. Aliya did not complete the double turn with leg held high, had a big stumble on her first tumble, and had form errors on her twisting. Those added up in the end. Lauren had her own version of dance, it’s not a “one size fits all” formula. It’s INDIVIDUAL. Saying she had the artistry of a horse shows your severe lack of anything remotely resembling maturity.
Who on earth was judging balance beam and floor??? The scoring made ZERO sense. Some of the WORST rountines scored high. For the amount of money, time, blood, sweat, and tears that these girls go through, there should be no bias' or bribing on the part of judges. This was obviously somehow rigged.
I genuinely can't stand ASac. She is truthfully the most overrated vaulter ever to come out of the US. Maroney was so much better. Alas, McKayla lacked the art of self promotion. No one was a bigger fan of ASac than ASac herself. At this event, Mustafina was simply better.
Not on vault. Her second vault was PIKED- and subsequently downgraded, rightly so. I’m absolutely certain your opinion is just such an important aspect of her life. People like you- ignorant bullies- who have accomplished absolutely nothing in life of even marginal noteworthiness usually mean absolutely nothing at all to those who have actually achieved great success.
I loved that the Russian women yelled, “Stoi!” when Alicia Sacramone vaulted. Great sportsmanship!
I had to go back and watch these worlds after Mustafina might retire
Por que le pusieron nota baja a Alexandra en el ejercicio de suelo, si ella todos los ejercicios ejecutó perfectamente? Saltos muy altos, terminó las piruetas mucho antes de aterrizar en el suelo demostrando control de cuerpo, el aterrizaje no fue clavado pero la ejecución impecable, tanto longitudinal como transversal?
Crazy that Mustafina had two such hard vaults at some point/before her injury
It really does show how much could have happened in London if she hadn’t had the acl injury. I’m not entirely convinced she’d have won bars though as that event got so much better from even early 2011 to the Olympics.
@@saragrant9749 well with and Amanar and without the beam fall she would have been competing for the AA gold
@@aguti7920 she would have, yes. The loss of the Amanar- a smart decision not to try for it- made the AA gold very very unlikely (not impossible, because anything could have happened). The beam fall was very surprising- and unfortunate but she never stopped fighting. That kind of mentality is why she won all the Olympic medals she did.
@@saragrant9749 pretty much the difference to Komova who was just as talented but so often seemed to give up after one mistake
48:41 Alicia's and Rebecca's faces after Ana's score say everything.
Tim- “In my opinion the best ever Romanian to swing bars”
Nadia- “um, excuse me?!”
Silivas as well. Tim constantly says crazy things. He is more comedic relief than some expert.
Oh yes, I forgot about her! Olympic champion in 1988 and world champion in 1989 (?).
An issue the commentators are ignoring is how assignment of body position, and hence SV, for the vaults was made. Nellie Kim made it very clear in the code of points that certain criteria have to be met for a vault to even begin to be considered to be a layout vault. There was a graphic illustration showing vaults that would receive layout and those that would receive a piked downgrade. Otherwise people would do all sorts of crazy things just to get a higher SV.
The vault somersault portion does not begin until the gymnast has reached a vertical position from repulsion off the table with the hands. (The preflight is irrelevant in all cases. )The gymnast is allowed to reach vertical with some pike in her body. However, if she wishes to have a layout start value credited she has to achieve a fully open position, close to 180° immediately and before starting the somersault. Then, the somersault needs to be performed in mostly layout position for no downgrade.
If the gymnast does not show the open position at vertical and initiatives the somersault in any position other than straight body the vault is going to be downgraded and viewed as piked and given the lower SV.
Watching both of the Russians in EF you can clearly see that they are piked as the go through vertical. They do not open into a layout stretched position and start somersaulting in an open piked position. Therefore, it cannot be credited as a layout vault and is downgraded to piked. The Russian coaches are just plain wrong, but are probably trying to save face.
Surprisingly, Mustafina did do it correctly enough in qualifiers to get the layout credit. You can search for HV showing it on UA-cam.
The only thing that matters is that just prior to these Worlds, the WTC issued a Help Desk stating that performing a forward salto vault with more than a 1/2 twist in the piked position was "biomechanically impossible." Those rules should have been followed, period.
I know gold is what everyone strives for but it’d be so nice to see competitors appreciate silver & bronze too & to not act like they’ve died when they don’t get gold. 🙄🤷🏻♀️
*coughs in Komova*
@@nathanielhalls1893 He didn’t say that, he said others have said that. Don’t twist his words.
@@brodypennno need to put words in people’s mouths, that’s the act of a toddler. There have been many who were very upset and disappointed with silver or bronze, it’s a part of the sport.
You’ve clearly never competed at the level these athletes are- in anything. When you have a dream of getting gold and fall short, it’s very understandable to be sad and upset.
Izbaza’s floor music is what Aly uses two years later in London
and the "Raisman pass " was Beth Tweddle's 2009 tumble pass .
Jade beautifull
Romanians and russians were very artistic there thou.
no way he just said ana is the best romanian on bars when daniela silivas and nadia comenanci are real
I laughed when he said that. I mean, really?
What's interesting is in 1995 event finals five of the eight girls had Dismount with a full twist double back with full twist and now the girls don't do it anymore I think they've just for like more regiment to get the job done back then
Judges didn't take many deductions for awful form on dismounts back then if they were difficult. Nearly all of the full ins from the 90s would be hammered on execution even in 2010
Always problematic to me to hear these two's... mostly prefer positive but balanced approach as BBC commentators usually do, than these unnecessary shady way.
“Good thing the coach was right there....”. For what? She let her fall on her face. She’s not standing there to get a good view, she supposed to be spotting her, is it she?
They were being snarky, cause after that they did say that the coach just stood there😏
Go Alicia!
*Go HOME alicia
@@keithtaeget a life fool. Good thing your small opinion means nothing.
@@keithtaego blow your attitude- toddler. Just jealousy over an Olympian, world champion and vastly accomplished athlete when you’ve likely accomplished nothing besides being immature.
O russo fazendo onda com o cara da fig kk
Navbreia looks just like Victoria karpanko they could be sistet
Omg yes!
I find it strange that in 1992 five of the eight girls did full twisting back dismounts, but in this one no one did any why do you think that is why were people doing tougher dismounts 20 years ago?
Bross was so overscored on beam. Her D score was lower than Mitchell and Linlin, and her execution is bad with ugly form, so there is no basis for her medaling. She also had one balance break, the same as the others.
Deng had multiple balance checks.
Deng Linlin had multiple balance checks and a very stutter stop style routine- which was a deduction in itself. There was absolutely no flow at all. Same with Lauren, along with a couple of noticeable checks she had some flow issues in that routine. Rebecca’s form was just fine, there’s no “one size fits all” formula and the code allows for some leeway based on how a gymnast actually performs a certain skill.
congratulations Lauren Mitchel for breakthrough Gold on floor .
why is it always these two same horrible commentators?
Chelarus score was… she had that massive stumble
I love Alicia and Ali‘s coach he is a sweetheart and a great coach actually I could say majority of all of our coaches in United States are awesome.
surprise by the score of Ana, so many mistakes
Ana was such an overrated gymnast. No idea how she did do well.
many mistakes? where?
She only had a few .1 wobbles and a low dismount. Her execution was almost perfect otherwise.
@@admetric there are many American gymnasts who are overrated by mostly dominated american media on gymnastics, period. Ana was a light of REAL artistry when American supremacy started to make female gymnastics look too masculine and ugly. She was a really good bars worker, her beam routine was remarkable: great romanian style, difficulty, execution and artistry, all the package. She was not great in difficulty on floor and vault but her floor elegance is unmatchable. Make 90% of american gymnasts looking silly tenagers pretending to dance. It's not because she seems overscored there that she was overrated, 😉👍
@@objetivista686 I completely agree many USA WAGs were and are over rated.
Alicia was majorly underscored on beam. Should’ve got bronze I think
Bronze ahead of Bross?
@@tumicduguar2583 Bross got silver. Alicia should’ve got bronze
@@nathanielhalls1893 Bross tied for silver, so it is unclear which you mean Alicia should have gotten bronze over. Since Deng who tied Bross for silver is way better than Bross, I assume you meant the perennialy overscored Bross.
@@tumicduguar2583 oh soz. I meant Alicia should’ve got bronze
Her difficulty score was low. She was about half a point behind the medalist
Mustafina deserved gold on floor. Mitchell has the artistry of a horse.
LMAOOOOOO
BAHAHA BEST COMMENT
And you have the mental capacity of a two year old.
And you have the tact of a worm- or maybe a skunk. Lauren earned that world title, get over yourself.
Lauren completed all of her dance elements to their fullest. Aliya did not complete the double turn with leg held high, had a big stumble on her first tumble, and had form errors on her twisting. Those added up in the end. Lauren had her own version of dance, it’s not a “one size fits all” formula. It’s INDIVIDUAL. Saying she had the artistry of a horse shows your severe lack of anything remotely resembling maturity.
I thought Alicia would medal on beam too 🥺🥺🥺
Her difficulty score was too low. She started about half a point behind the medalists.
disgusting comments about pedicure and the gymnast's feet 🤢🤢 do you really think thats their priority?
Also about Linlin's leotard.. Like the Americans were shinier come on.. did they not notice that?
Who on earth was judging balance beam and floor??? The scoring made ZERO sense. Some of the WORST rountines scored high. For the amount of money, time, blood, sweat, and tears that these girls go through, there should be no bias' or bribing on the part of judges. This was obviously somehow rigged.
I genuinely can't stand ASac. She is truthfully the most overrated vaulter ever to come out of the US. Maroney was so much better. Alas, McKayla lacked the art of self promotion. No one was a bigger fan of ASac than ASac herself.
At this event, Mustafina was simply better.
Not on vault. Her second vault was PIKED- and subsequently downgraded, rightly so. I’m absolutely certain your opinion is just such an important aspect of her life. People like you- ignorant bullies- who have accomplished absolutely nothing in life of even marginal noteworthiness usually mean absolutely nothing at all to those who have actually achieved great success.
Romanians overscored at this championships…
These americans commentators are the worst.