Great review. Helpful to get these different paddles in context. Appreciate the fresh perspective - so many paddles and always changing. I would add one comment that others may have mentioned. I once played a professional racquetball player sponsored by a top tier racquet maker. After our match I mentioned I had noted they had changed racquets. I asked which brand / model was preferred. The response - “whoever sponsors me”. So yes people have real preferences but don’t let the pros usage be your only reason for picking.
I would move Gearbox up. They have 22 different paddles in several price ranges. They have been the leader in carbon fiber way before other companies. Their new CX line is especially good. The 14mm is an interesting soft paddle and the 11mm is a powerful hammer. I play with both paddles depending on the completion. I love that you can get demo paddles to try for a week for $20 bucks. For all these reasons they are at the top tier.
Agreed. I don't play with a gearbox anymore, but they're everything you could ask for from a paddle company. High quality, innovative, great product line, and good customer service. Top tier.
CRBN is, to me, the gold standard. I don't care if they don't have a long line-up, they make a great paddle and, most important, they treated their customers VERY well after the whole (arbitrary and lame) decision to ban all of them. The comeback has demonstrated a devotion to customer service, and that, to me, is the mark of a truly great company.
The gold standard? They failed an on site test 3 different times. The paddles they submit for testing MUST be the same as the ones they manufacture. They weren't... 3 TIMES... failed!! Thats is NOT anyone's gold standard!!
Nice review! I'll throw my hat in the ring for the Engage brand being bumped up one notch to the top tier. They offer multiple different handle lengths and body styles for their top of the line Pursuit line (which I really like), AND their higher end Poach line (which I also really like), AND their Encore line. (which you mentioned) They also came out with a more budget friendly Omega line with different handles & body styles. Their warranty is top notch. Full replacement on manufacturing issues for the life of the paddle. ALSO... they offer a number of brand new "cosmetically blemished" (doesn't effect performance) high end paddles for substantial discounts on their site. I've received 2 of the blemished paddles and you can't even tell where the blemish is. That's a fantastic option that a lot of companies don't offer, and a great opportunity for people to get $30 off a paddle and then if they have a promo code too, they can tack that on as well. I did that (with a rare 50% off promo code) and received a Pursuit EX 6.0 for $90. Can't beat that.
Second this, especially about the cosmetic blemish paddles. Just started playing a little bit ago and got an Encore paddle with the “blemish” and I LOVE it
I played with the Electrum E and liked it overall but felt it lacked any catapult effect at all. Pure control paddle. Then I tried the Gruvn E and it was the Electrum E with some catapult effect for stronger drives. The Gruvn E hit a sweet spot for me. Not as out of control fast as the CRBN 1 but between the CRBN 1 and defensive Electrum E speed wise with a bigger sweet spot.
@@wq177 GRUVN E feels exactly like the Model E with a bit more power. Weight distribution feels the same albeit slightly lighter which for me doesnt matter as I weight all of my paddles with lead tape putting some at the top and more just above the throat.
Awesome to have you with the paddle breakdown. Very honest opinion. I now am using the Prokennex Spin paddle and I love it. Has both power and spin. The 21 string design is very unique. Love the edgeless design. I would rate it as one of the top paddles available.
Only owned a single paddle but I can speak for the onyx falcon pickleball safety glasses. Two hits to the face today, solid, hard hits to the same eye. Well worth telling 34.99 price tag.
Great review! I was trying to guess which tier you would put each one in and guessed pretty much the same way on all of your placements...;-) I've played with a variety of paddles as my game has changed (Ptek, Selkirk, TMPR) and currently with Diadem Icon (love that ping pong surface! LOL!). Love your videos and reviews--keep up the great work!
@@PickleballStudio you need to try the Players Carbon paddle. Players Pickleball is a small privately owned American company and I would put their carbon paddle, with the gel core and vibration dampening technology above many of those paddles that you gave high rankings to. Especially given the price. It’s one of the best paddles on the market, comes in four different shapes and costs far less than some of the other paddles you rated high.
Started with the Onix Z5 like so many others. Liked it at first but it did not have the control I wanted. Went through some other paddles but am currently using the Selkirk S2 Amped lightweight, mostly because I tried someone elses paddle and it was good for the soft game and I had better control. I really should try a line of various paddles to see how they stack up. I suppose we're all looking for the perfect paddle... if that exists.
I mostly agree. I am a Prince / Head / Gearbox / ProLite guy. But the Head should be A. Their lineup is actually very diverse. Long and mid and short handles, many head shapes, paddle thicknesses, etc.
It's CRBN when it comes to backing up their paddles. Under their warranty I replaced two paddles, no arguments, just send photos and explain the problem and they replaced the paddles. I can't same the same for Selkirk. The pitch that they have a good warranty but when contacted did not replace the paddle.
Would switch the Gamma and Franklin rankings - no diverse Fran,lin lineup and a pretty diverse Gamma lineup overall. How about TMPR and Players Pickleball?
I think if I based my rankings off of performance for the paddles instead of the company, it would align to this chart. Joola for this year has definitely stepped up their game, Selkirk has continued positive growth, Diadem only has the warrior worth playing and as well have swayed away from their Iconic thick paddle and went the generic route as Electrum and CRBN who are the original CRBN companies. Paddletek continues to be a developing and variety company along with engage and Gearbox. GRUVN capitalized on what was lacking in CRBN and Electrum in terms of raw carbon different shapes and handle length. Franklin, Babolat, and Gamma honestly feel like they just dabbled into pickleball and won't invest like the top tier companies have. Head is also almost on par with what I call the Variety company like Engage and Paddletek, but their lineup variety keeps them under those 2 i mention. Vulcan looking at it now without insider, Sub par to a C and F. Pro XR needs to prove themselves before charging that price for a paddle. Who knows its just a gimmick or a company that is really trying to dip their foot into PB. Pro Kennix has a slow growth and cater to a specific audience I feel like.
Hello, I been playing with the maverick for quite sometime but was looking into getting a new paddle.I enjoyed playing with electrum, and the very few times i used the Joola and CBNR paddles but there are so many out there and each company has like 5 to choose from it just puzzles me.
@@juliangallo9949 So the longer you play the more you graduate into the category of paddles. Carbon fiber paddles are pretty much the upper threshold of what a serious pickleballer would use. Now that didn't answer your thoughts about why theres so much to choose from that you dont know whats for you or not? Everyone has a budget. some better than the other. The name of the game for most people is that the more expensive it is... the better. Not entirely true. While the Electrum, CRBN, and Joola's line are 180+, they prove themselves in the market for getting what you need from a paddle. Joola's hyperion is head heavy, CBRN has a lot of touch and control with decent power, Electrum is solid, good touch and decent power. It all comes down to what you as a player is lacking as well.
I will have to disagree with Prolite spot - I've been using a titan pro for 5 years now, that's woven carbon fiber while back then I don't think there were more than 5 paddles using carbon. Right now I got the new titan pro lx, again woven carbon and it's a different animal, faster and with different characteristics. I don't think it's fair to focus on spin - and I'm a player that is using a table tennis grip and a lot of spin - not a lot of players are using that spin, why is it so important suddenly? And about the models - why is it important to have 5-10 or 20 different paddles? Do you have 20 different balls to choose from?
I’ve gotten two pro level players to switch from Joola and Selkirk to CRBN and they liked those paddles and tried the whole line up. When they tried the CRBN they both said “I think this is the thing” I guess because of the balance of power and control, the surface, and the handle length. I think they come in a little light but a little lead tape and bam.
I was first introduced to Diadem through tennis as they supported content creators while the big companies did not. Seems like they are really trying to go all in on Pickleball. I hope there customer service improves for you. Great review.
Someone else mentioned factoring in warranties and I agree. I'd knock Electrum and Gruvn down a tier for their 90-day warranties. Unless you're a sponsored player you pay a lot for a paddle that doesn't make it 6 months. Electrum started out with a 1-yr warranty, dropped it to 6 months, and now it's 90 days. That says a lot for how much confidence they have in the quality of their product. Selkirk offers 1-yr to limited lifetime, same with a few others. In fact, the big companies all offer a minimum of a year while the newer companies are 6 months or less, including Joola. CRBN, Electrum, Gruvn, etc.
@@zachcarmichael699 yep, and CRBN isn't much better at 4 months. It's not like these companies haven't done stress testing on their paddles so they know when they'll break down and run into into issues that will cut into profit margins. It's a big red flag when they don't have confidence in paddles lasting a few months but you're paying hundreds of dollars for them.
@@WorldTraveler222 Yes -- and I think BJ is the reason for a ton of their sales -- not saying the paddles are not good but BJ being as good as he is and using their paddle is causing it to sell like hot cakes.
Chris, I felt the Gruvn H, like in your review, became too head heavy and my fingers, hand, wrist all ached pretty quickly. Otherwise I did love its feel. Do you know if the Gruvn E is more balanced and not as head heavy? Would be interested in giving Gruvn another try if so! Thanks for the videos!
@@wq177 The 16H is definitely head heavy. The swing weight is 123 which is quite high. The Gruvn 16E was closer to about 113 I think. Which isn't a very high swing weight, but it also isn't low. If I knew what paddles you have used previously I could probably tell you if the 16E would fit well weight and balance wise.
@@PickleballStudio Where can one find swingweight & balance (headlight/headheavy) info? It is readily available for tennis rackets. I started with an Encore MX 6.0 which was great for drives and spin but felt clunky at the net. I switched to a CX11Q which is great at the net but lacking for spin & power, I think a head-light elongated paddle might be the answer.
@@billypilgrim5962 I wish companies would publish it more! I'm making a database of the paddles I have and their swing weights. Paddles that sound like they fit your description based on my testing would be: Gearbox CX11E Power 7.8oz Gearbox CX14E Gearbox CX11E Control 7.8oz Gearbox CX11E Power 8.5oz Selkirk Vanguard Power Air The first 3 are very headlight. Should be very comparable to your CX11Q but in elongated. The last two are more in line with what an elongated paddle is swing weight wise but I think are probably still a bit less than your MX 6.0. I haven't tested an MX 6.0 in the swing weight machine yet so I can't confirm, but usually paddles with that long of a handle are considerably higher in swing weight. Gearbox is definitely the most well known brand for going very headlight in their paddles.
Chris great job. I don’t think the rankings you had surprised me at all. I know everyone wants their paddle to be a superior grade but if you like it and it works for you who cares. The fact that so many pros are using Joola certainly warrants their grade. Personally I loved the BJ paddle but it didn’t like my elbow. Chris I literally laughed out loud when you were talking about XR paddles and the reload whipping out pistols. Keep up the great work I hope the manufacturers see this so competition will make better paddles. We are in such a good time technology wise with Pickleball.
So many pros play with Joola because they are being sponsored by a company with a lot of money. I also suspect they are giving their paddles to a lot of pro players. Ben Johns won with the Franklin and now he is winning with the Joola... What does that mean? He can play with any paddle and win... The Joola paddle is selling like crazy because the world has ALWAYS been full of suckers. The truth is... The paddle does not make the player.
Another vote for TMPR paddles. I demoed their whole line up and they felt and performed very well, especially at the price point! USA built, unique shapes and various core thickness and surfaces.
@@PickleballStudio I wouldn't waste you're time. Sweet spots are very small and paddles are very cheaply made. My paddles from them the edge gaurd broke after a month on everyone from regular play usage.
@@nicholaswittendorf7230 The Tantrum GXT is reviewed in several different places as having one of the largest and most forgiving sweet spots for control, while receiving tepid grades for developing huge power or spin compared to other paddles in the same class. This is also the first time I've seen it posted that the TMPR paddles are cheaply made. I did see one comment on Reddit of an experience where the honeycomb didn't hold up well to hard ball strikes after a year. But of course, most of what you read comes out in the year following product introduction, so you never know if you're getting the same thing a few years down the road. As an example, I've been wearing the same design of Ecco shoe since around 2000, because it fits my foot perfectly. But every replacement from then to now has shaved off a few more grams. Now with the pair I'm wearing I can actually feel the honeycomb-like layer under the insole when I put a lot of weight on one area. If the next version is yet another step down, I'm giving up on the brand. I just ordered a Tantrum GXT as my second paddle, after taking up the sport with a CDN $50 paddle last summer (which was quite playable, actually). I'm a mid-grade 3.5 at this point, and what I need is a soft, forgiving control paddle for a year to practice drops and resets. Then I'll transition to something with more heat and spin. On the reviews I've read, of the paddle-as manufactured on introduction-it's just not possible that this paddle has a "small" sweet spot. Perhaps you got this impression because the paddle hasn't got _any_ sweet spot relative to the kind of power other paddles in this class tend to develop. Pickleball facilities are way oversubscribed around here, so mixed pickup is the only way I get much court time in the summer. I'm nearly 6'5". If I'm gripping and ripping with a hot paddle, then I'm the jerk that most of the smaller middle-aged women don't want to play with. The other problem with aggressive play is that "put away" is a synonym for "let's all practice more serves and service returns". But I don't need those skills. Tricky serves work great against 3.5s with a slow first step, but hardly at all above this level (or they didn't, until this new wave of ridiculous paddle technology). What I need from the group are longer rallies with more net play. If I hit the ball hard in this kind of a mixed group, I'm my own worst enemy in obtaining useful practice on court. Local facilities might catch up to demand by 2024 or 2025. And then the calculation becomes different.
Interesting vid Chris. Tier list videos always get views. Have you ever tried any of the Players Pickleball paddles? I tried paddles from many of those companies in the tier list and ended up picking the Rogue2 Max Carbon from Players as my main paddle.
@@PickleballStudio You need to buy their paddle and stop asking for free stuff! Lol , Just kidding but they are a small company that keeps their prices low by not giving out free stuff like other brands.
@@PickleballStudio They are selling as fast as they can make them...in Bellingham, WA !!! Lots of request for "demo" paddles and they have to minimize "giveaways" , I reckon. I let folks hit with mine and they buy one!(at least 3 dozen times so far!). Rogue2 CarbonE is the bomb!!!
Vulcan came out with some killer paddles. You were right! The 940 made me switch to Vulcan from the Joola Ben Johns. It checks every single box that a paddle should.
I absolutely LOVED my Diadem Warrior, but my first one (purchased when they first came out) broke down after 3 months. They replaced it for me, but the second one broke down after 4 months. They had me send it back but ended up saying it was fine, even though it sounded and felt different, even the people I play with noticed a difference in the sound. So I won't buy another one, but I'm curious to know what paddle you think is most similar to the Warrior. I tend to play more soft/control than power. Thanks!
It’s really tough to find an equal because the Warrior is so unique. When I left the Warrior I had gone to the Model E, but it definitely has less power.
Right on! I agree with all your reasoning. One “factor” maybe not discussed could be sponsored players and/or presence in the market. For example, Paddletek still boasts a number of high level pros even though their innovation may lag.
As a new player, I lucked into buying a kit that a nice lady was wanting to sell for $100 dollars. Two Vulcan Paddles, and the large Vulcan Back Pack and 8 Pickle Balls. All together would have been a price of near $400.00 Looks like none of it had ever been used. So going forward in my pursuit of this new sport, I know I cannot blame the equipment for poor performance.
Great reviews on the companies! For me Gearbox CX14H ( standard 8.0 oz ) , CX11Q both awesome paddles. I weighted the Q to 8.3 all in the upper grip with it being a better singles paddle, I tried the 8.5 Q model but did not like the weight dispersion coming off a wrist injury. 4.5 Player and I love these two paddles.
Thanks! Question: I’m a good racquet baller and ping pong player. Style: moderate b/t control and power with control edging out 20% So which paddle of PBall do I need? RBall is Head Black Jack for reference.
It seems like they never get a mention from channels. I know they spend little on advertising to keep prices low, which I like. Would be great to see some data on there carbon paddles, which are $130, to compare to some of the more expensive carbon paddles. They also supposedly have tech that reduces the vibration from the paddle.
I switched from Gearbox to the new Rogue 2 Carbon in their Max shape. I was looking specifically for a short handle with slightly elongated head and this was one of the very few options in the market. That shape suits me since I choke up on the grip, but the elongated shape helps make up for that.
I have been playing tennis for 10yrs+ and just added pickleball - about 4 months ago. Indoor tennis leagues are done for the year- and trying to play more pickleball. I currently have Onyx paddle- Z5 - It is my first and only paddle. Will upgrade when I feel I get to a better level. Although playing tennis has given me an edge with pickleball! So excited to get better at this addictive sport
I'm a big fan of the Gamma Hellbender. In my opinion, that tapered, but elongated shape with a short handle is a niche that I don't see from other companies. In my opinion, the tapered shape pushes the sweet spot out nearer to the top of the paddle head where most players are making contact anyhow. This gives extra pop for power strokes. It has a large sweet spot and balance between power and control. I am also a huge fan of the graphite face. I haven't fully tested my theory, but I think a worn graphite paddle face gets more spin than a brand new one.
I know your right about Vulcan. We do have a relationship with them, and I use the 740max which I like over my previous Selkirk sand Electrum. Great company, warranty, support and people. Looking forward to the “next” gen.
Thanks for the review! I’m still a beginner, i believe, and would like to find something to replace my 30$ paddle for more control, but don’t want to spend 150$ yet, so some review of paddles in the range up to 100$ would be great as it seems it’s hard to find what’s decent unless it’s 150$ or more! Best.
I'm trying to decide on my next paddle and I really am looking for a paddle with the best spin. I currently am running with a paddletek tempest Wave Pro. So something with comparable weight while adding spin is ideal. I also prefer 1 handed paddles. Any recommendations?
I would move Joola down to a B honestly. The paddles themselves are top tier but you pay a good sum for it. They are also one of the only companies who require shipping a broken paddle back to fill a warranty claim, and then waiting for a new one to be sent. And I’ve heard they don’t cover the cost of that.
Engage requires you to ship a paddle back in some cases. My edge trim came loose up top and they required I send it to them. They paid for the shipping and the process was easy and seamless... but I'm currently without my Engage Pursuit EX 6.0 until they ship me a new one. I have a couple other paddles I'm using in the mean time. (Engage Poach Infinity is my primary backup, and my Engage Encore is my backup to that)
My first paddle was the Pro XR. I was a little shaky with it and wouldn’t recommend it for the new player. I switched to the Engage Pursuit and man what a difference. Much more power and control. We’ll forward 10 months and now going back and using the Pro XR is a different ballgame. I’m able to see and feel the differences it has and also make use of them. I’m not arguing the handle thing isn’t weird or the advertisements are bogus( I haven’t seen them) but the paddle needs to be given a fair analysis. The handle can be very good for someone who doesn’t shift grip or use a non standard grip. In fact it provides good stability. The paddle has good feel as well. Still using my Engage but think I may start working the PRo XR back in.
Any comments on UpStreet paddles? A friend of mine bought 9 of them at with one purchase. And I would place him at 4.0 to 4.5. I'm probably a 3.5 player with some 4.0 play at times.
Now do warranties and the warranty process. Joola made overseas so lower costs, yet only trust their paddles to last 6 months. Now Selkirk!!! US made so higher production costs and a lifetime warranty. And they send you a new paddle and a return label for the broken one.
I think it is just their SLK line. Amped, Vanguard 2 still say proudly made in the USA. I now see the Vanguard Power Air says assembled in the USA. Maybe assembled means they add the grip? Odd they would change the wording.
@@terogan It's not "odd" that they changed the wording; it's mandatory as the Power Air and 003 are not "made" in the USA. And yes, assembled could be as little as wrapping the grip on US soil. I have not issue with this as I'm sure Selkirk simply didn't have the manufacturing capability to make either paddle since they aren't simply HC cores with faces glued on.
@The Pickleball Studio Have you tested the newer Prince Spectrum Pro at $129, it now is made with way more grit? For the price, excellent paddle and huge sweet spot, and now the spin is 10x better... I know they seemed to have fallen off the earth with pickleball but, that is my paddle after the 003.
Speaking of Onix, there's an ad in UA-cam, "Penguin Apparel-Official Apparel Sponsor of USAP" featuring Matt Wright. 10 seconds into the ad, watch his Onix Evoke Premier Pro paddle FLEX in mid-air. How many other paddles in the market flex and warp in mid-air like that?
I'm thinking assembled in the USA is better than assembled in China. Not sure where ALL the components are sourced; but I can talk to the owner of Players Pickleball and have my USA-assembled paddle assembled just the way I want.
Biggest reason was CFS lost a ton of spin after 2 months of using it. I also just felt like I generally played slightly better with the 003. Still think generally the CFS is a great paddle.
@@PickleballStudio Excellent video! I am a current Model E user and love it but am getting ready to demo some others. Because the BJ CFS loses spin, I've been looking to Selkirk lately also. You say you get better control with the 003 so I'll probably have to wait for that to come down in price. Spin is holding up well on your 003?
@@TheBoydTV To be honest, I'm not positive that the Ben Johns loses grit faster than anyone else. I think every paddle loses grit eventually. Some are just slightly more resistant. I put that Ben Johns through some reaaaaalllllly heavy use over 2 months training for NYC. So far 003 spin is holding up fantastic.
@@PickleballStudio Right on. I do wonder if something like a Gearbox Cx14 can keep going indefinitely (or a very long time) without losing much spin at all and if the 003 can be close to that level of indestructibility. I liked that paddle a lot but needed more power ultimately.
@@TheBoydTV I actually think Gearbox is probably as close to perfect as you can get for having spin that never really leaves. They don't have much grit to begin with, so you can't really lose anything. I haven't confirmed this yet, but supposedly the CX11 and CX14s have had new grit added that feel noticeably higher than previous models. Kind of curious about that. 003 Definitely won't hold a candle to Gearbox in terms of durability purely just because the 003 still has a polymer core.
Diadem rated as "A" even though it breaks? Paddletek is a great paddle with great feel and accuracy for extended dink rallies. Head is a great paddle too. Don't down grade a paddle because a company doesn't offer a variety of paddles, high spin, and gimmicks. High spin rate is the biggest gimmick of all time. I see so many players fall for it, and lose game after game because they focus on maximum spin and lack the control and speed needed to win volleys at the kitchen. Control, balance, speed, and feel are major factors when hitting resets. Heavier paddles are slower. You may consider moving Paddletek up to "S" as they are no frills, high quality, and are great "control" paddles. Selkirk and Joola really are great paddles too. Not a bunch of gimmicks. Great customer service is vital. Overall, good video and rankings.
I agree mostly with your analysis. I own the Electrum Model E and you are exactly right about it. It is hard to put down. I will say if you get a Pro II and add some lead tape around the bottom to the 4 and 8 positions it plays more steady and almost feels like a quicker version of the Model E. Still prefer the E if I must choose. Selkirk should be A and Paddletek should be B. It’s close but that’s my take. Great reviews and analysis!
you mentioned in one of your videos you swore by a pickleball backpack and i can't find which video you said that in, like searching for a needle in a haystack! can you help me out if you recall which backpack you mentioned?
Are you planning on doing a review of the Head Radical Tour Co? Curious to know why you like it so much considering the fact that it’s a very stiff paddle and you usually like softer paddles?
Project Labs 003. CFS is what I used prior to the 003. I think the CFS is a pretty solid paddle overall. Definitely one of the better performers on the market.
Agree Selkirk is s tear but even before I got my 003. I loved my vanguard 1.0 and 2.0 I generate plenty of spin on it too I feel, both those were still s tear for me. Obviously labs is muuuuuch better though.
I mostly agree with your conclusions. I wonder though if Selkirk needs to drop one level due to the extremely high price of most of their paddles. I would also give a boost to paddles that have the same shape of handle as a tennis racquet. It seems like many paddles have a simple square shape without the small bevels (which gives it eight sides). Babolat paddles have the same shape as a tennis racquet which makes sense as they are a leader in tennis racquets.
I hate when companies don't do the bevels! Drives me insane. Selkirk wasn't doing bevels until recently and I thought it was ridiculous. Wish all the companies would get with it.
Sorry to break the news to everyone, but the ball isn’t on the paddle long enough for these marketing buzz words to actually effect anything. It’s all swing path and ball trajectory.
It IS a little tricky to rank companies based on one model's success; but then add variety as a plus or minus if a company has too few or too many models. I'd bump Gamma up a notch for having a good variety of models and prices, even though they might not have a hot raw-carbon model now. The RZR and Needle were both sleepers...very nice paddles. UNLESS I'm a dealer or brand ambassador, it doesn't matter if a brand has a diverse lineup. It only takes one model to put a brand high on the "radar". Hard to fault a company for "only" having a couple of very popular models.
Agree, 100%. Franklin should not be ranked higher than Gamma. Franklin has basically 2 paddles that have a grit face that wears off in a week. Gamma has a myriad of paddle shapes, weights, cores and are very solid paddles overall.
I would love to know what paddle you or others would recommend, besides ProKennex, for absorbing more of the forces that act upon the arm. Suggestions please. TIA.
@@PickleballStudio Thx. I'll look into it, never heard of that brand. I'm just not loving the ProKennex, and I'm not convinced it does what it claims to do.
@@mistymountains9968 The Gel Core in the Players paddles is the real deal. I'm not even a dealer and I've "sold" over three-dozen Players Rogue paddles JUST by letting folks hit with mine! "It's so SOLID" is the almost-universal feedback when they try one...just before they either take mine or order one!!
As a new player, I am looking to purchase my first paddle for myself and my 15 year old son. I would like to keep it under $100 a paddle for the first paddles we buy because I'm sure we will upgrade as we progress in ability. I am thinking of buying the HEAD extreme tour max for $89.. What other paddles should I be looking at around the $100 price point? seems like finding reviews from multiple sources can be tough.
My suggestions would be; Franklin Signature. Use code forum20 on their website for 20% off (might need to use all caps) Niupipo Explorer Pro (Amazon) I think their website might have a 10% discount code too. The Head may be okay, but I haven’t used it. Franklin signature is massively popular.
We need a tier list for Pickleball paddles
The people have spoken. Time to work on it.
This
I second this!
Needs updated like 15 newer companies.
Great review. Helpful to get these different paddles in context. Appreciate the fresh perspective - so many paddles and always changing. I would add one comment that others may have mentioned. I once played a professional racquetball player sponsored by a top tier racquet maker. After our match I mentioned I had noted they had changed racquets. I asked which brand / model was preferred. The response - “whoever sponsors me”. So yes people have real preferences but don’t let the pros usage be your only reason for picking.
I would move Gearbox up. They have 22 different paddles in several price ranges. They have been the leader in carbon fiber way before other companies. Their new CX line is especially good. The 14mm is an interesting soft paddle and the 11mm is a powerful hammer. I play with both paddles depending on the completion. I love that you can get demo paddles to try for a week for $20 bucks. For all these reasons they are at the top tier.
Same here CX11E then the 14E
I love my “pioneering” gearbox 5 still after a couple of years. But gee- I wonder if I can get that $20 demo offer here in Canada.
Agreed. I don't play with a gearbox anymore, but they're everything you could ask for from a paddle company. High quality, innovative, great product line, and good customer service. Top tier.
Did you were try the newer CX14 with the grit that never wears off? Way more spin than the originally smooth surface.
Sad that they've gone "off-shore" for their production, however. Plus, nobody needs nearly two dozen paddles in a line.
CRBN is, to me, the gold standard. I don't care if they don't have a long line-up, they make a great paddle and, most important, they treated their customers VERY well after the whole (arbitrary and lame) decision to ban all of them. The comeback has demonstrated a devotion to customer service, and that, to me, is the mark of a truly great company.
"Arbitrary and lame decision to ban". Probably should educate yourself on that comment, sounds ignorant to me. Sorry IS ignorant!! And I know.
@@keithchapman8380 test all the paddles. Quit being a douche.
@@tbreezy4564 "douche"....you wouldn't say that to my face...but once!! Keyboard warrior...
The gold standard? They failed an on site test 3 different times. The paddles they submit for testing MUST be the same as the ones they manufacture. They weren't... 3 TIMES... failed!! Thats is NOT anyone's gold standard!!
@@keithchapman8380 ... Wow. Who comes back and keeps commenting on the same post. Obsess much?
Wow, totally did not expect to see my old favorite cubing youtuber in a pickleball video. Great work Chris!
Finally someone says exactly what I've been thinking this whole time about Pro XR "reload' claim.
Re-Load???????? UH ok. Makes no sense.
@@kimleith1378 my thoughts exactly
Choke up on the grip for a faster "reload" ;)
@@racketrick I already use a "ping-pong" grip so the XR never caught my eye.
Nice review!
I'll throw my hat in the ring for the Engage brand being bumped up one notch to the top tier. They offer multiple different handle lengths and body styles for their top of the line Pursuit line (which I really like), AND their higher end Poach line (which I also really like), AND their Encore line. (which you mentioned) They also came out with a more budget friendly Omega line with different handles & body styles.
Their warranty is top notch. Full replacement on manufacturing issues for the life of the paddle.
ALSO... they offer a number of brand new "cosmetically blemished" (doesn't effect performance) high end paddles for substantial discounts on their site. I've received 2 of the blemished paddles and you can't even tell where the blemish is. That's a fantastic option that a lot of companies don't offer, and a great opportunity for people to get $30 off a paddle and then if they have a promo code too, they can tack that on as well. I did that (with a rare 50% off promo code) and received a Pursuit EX 6.0 for $90. Can't beat that.
Second this, especially about the cosmetic blemish paddles. Just started playing a little bit ago and got an Encore paddle with the “blemish” and I LOVE it
I agree, have had 3 paddles replaced due to edge guard issues. They sent new paddles immediately!
I didn’t know this! I’ll be lurking on the site when I want to update to a more advanced paddle. Just started playing.
I played with the Electrum E and liked it overall but felt it lacked any catapult effect at all. Pure control paddle. Then I tried the Gruvn E and it was the Electrum E with some catapult effect for stronger drives. The Gruvn E hit a sweet spot for me. Not as out of control fast as the CRBN 1 but between the CRBN 1 and defensive Electrum E speed wise with a bigger sweet spot.
How is the weight distribution on the Gruvn E? Is it head heavy? Does the distribution feel like the Electrum E?
@@wq177 GRUVN E feels exactly like the Model E with a bit more power. Weight distribution feels the same albeit slightly lighter which for me doesnt matter as I weight all of my paddles with lead tape putting some at the top and more just above the throat.
Awesome to have you with the paddle breakdown. Very honest opinion. I now am using the Prokennex Spin paddle and I love it. Has both power and spin. The 21 string design is very unique. Love the edgeless design. I would rate it as one of the top paddles available.
Only owned a single paddle but I can speak for the onyx falcon pickleball safety glasses. Two hits to the face today, solid, hard hits to the same eye. Well worth telling 34.99 price tag.
Great review! I was trying to guess which tier you would put each one in and guessed pretty much the same way on all of your placements...;-) I've played with a variety of paddles as my game has changed (Ptek, Selkirk, TMPR) and currently with Diadem Icon (love that ping pong surface! LOL!). Love your videos and reviews--keep up the great work!
Leaving out the Players Carbon2 is doing a major disservice to the pickleball players themselves.
I can’t really give an opinion on a company I haven’t used haha. Lying would be an even bigger disservice.
@@PickleballStudio you need to try the Players Carbon paddle. Players Pickleball is a small privately owned American company and I would put their carbon paddle, with the gel core and vibration dampening technology above many of those paddles that you gave high rankings to. Especially given the price. It’s one of the best paddles on the market, comes in four different shapes and costs far less than some of the other paddles you rated high.
@@justdar looking at that paddle. Is it at good as it sounds?
@@phatdang4271 Phat I really love it. And currently it’s on sale for 20% off, so it’s like $103. A fantastic value
Started with the Onix Z5 like so many others. Liked it at first but it did not have the control I wanted. Went through some other paddles but am currently using the Selkirk S2 Amped lightweight, mostly because I tried someone elses paddle and it was good for the soft game and I had better control. I really should try a line of various paddles to see how they stack up. I suppose we're all looking for the perfect paddle... if that exists.
How dare you disparage the epic "Thank you Ben Johns" commercial. LOL. I miss it now that he's with Joola. That campy thing cracked me up.
I mostly agree. I am a Prince / Head / Gearbox / ProLite guy. But the Head should be A. Their lineup is actually very diverse. Long and mid and short handles, many head shapes, paddle thicknesses, etc.
Are u going to review the Joola Vision 16mm would really like your opinion on it.
We need a Revolin review
Agreed! Love the owners, they're great people. Would like to see how their bio surface fares in spin RPM.
👨🍳 ok chef you stirring things up 😂
It's CRBN when it comes to backing up their paddles. Under their warranty I replaced two paddles, no arguments, just send photos and explain the problem and they replaced the paddles. I can't same the same for Selkirk. The pitch that they have a good warranty but when contacted did not replace the paddle.
Would switch the Gamma and Franklin rankings - no diverse Fran,lin lineup and a pretty diverse Gamma lineup overall. How about TMPR and Players Pickleball?
I think if I based my rankings off of performance for the paddles instead of the company, it would align to this chart. Joola for this year has definitely stepped up their game, Selkirk has continued positive growth, Diadem only has the warrior worth playing and as well have swayed away from their Iconic thick paddle and went the generic route as Electrum and CRBN who are the original CRBN companies. Paddletek continues to be a developing and variety company along with engage and Gearbox. GRUVN capitalized on what was lacking in CRBN and Electrum in terms of raw carbon different shapes and handle length. Franklin, Babolat, and Gamma honestly feel like they just dabbled into pickleball and won't invest like the top tier companies have. Head is also almost on par with what I call the Variety company like Engage and Paddletek, but their lineup variety keeps them under those 2 i mention. Vulcan looking at it now without insider, Sub par to a C and F.
Pro XR needs to prove themselves before charging that price for a paddle. Who knows its just a gimmick or a company that is really trying to dip their foot into PB. Pro Kennix has a slow growth and cater to a specific audience I feel like.
Hello, I been playing with the maverick for quite sometime but was looking into getting a new paddle.I enjoyed playing with electrum, and the very few times i used the Joola and CBNR paddles but there are so many out there and each company has like 5 to choose from it just puzzles me.
@@juliangallo9949 So the longer you play the more you graduate into the category of paddles. Carbon fiber paddles are pretty much the upper threshold of what a serious pickleballer would use. Now that didn't answer your thoughts about why theres so much to choose from that you dont know whats for you or not? Everyone has a budget. some better than the other. The name of the game for most people is that the more expensive it is... the better. Not entirely true. While the Electrum, CRBN, and Joola's line are 180+, they prove themselves in the market for getting what you need from a paddle. Joola's hyperion is head heavy, CBRN has a lot of touch and control with decent power, Electrum is solid, good touch and decent power. It all comes down to what you as a player is lacking as well.
I will have to disagree with Prolite spot - I've been using a titan pro for 5 years now, that's woven carbon fiber while back then I don't think there were more than 5 paddles using carbon.
Right now I got the new titan pro lx, again woven carbon and it's a different animal, faster and with different characteristics. I don't think it's fair to focus on spin - and I'm a player that is using a table tennis grip and a lot of spin - not a lot of players are using that spin, why is it so important suddenly?
And about the models - why is it important to have 5-10 or 20 different paddles? Do you have 20 different balls to choose from?
Agree. Prolite paddles are legit (and one of the OGs)!
I have had major durability issues with them
I’ve gotten two pro level players to switch from Joola and Selkirk to CRBN and they liked those paddles and tried the whole line up. When they tried the CRBN they both said “I think this is the thing”
I guess because of the balance of power and control, the surface, and the handle length. I think they come in a little light but a little lead tape and bam.
What about Armour paddles? i have the Helio and I love it. Good power and spin
I was first introduced to Diadem through tennis as they supported content creators while the big companies did not. Seems like they are really trying to go all in on Pickleball. I hope there customer service improves for you. Great review.
We need an updated video now that so much knew stuff has come out. Love the videos!
Your analysis is awesome thanks!!! Spot on and honest
Someone else mentioned factoring in warranties and I agree. I'd knock Electrum and Gruvn down a tier for their 90-day warranties. Unless you're a sponsored player you pay a lot for a paddle that doesn't make it 6 months. Electrum started out with a 1-yr warranty, dropped it to 6 months, and now it's 90 days. That says a lot for how much confidence they have in the quality of their product. Selkirk offers 1-yr to limited lifetime, same with a few others. In fact, the big companies all offer a minimum of a year while the newer companies are 6 months or less, including Joola. CRBN, Electrum, Gruvn, etc.
Franklin is also a joke at 90 days.
@@zachcarmichael699 yep, and CRBN isn't much better at 4 months. It's not like these companies haven't done stress testing on their paddles so they know when they'll break down and run into into issues that will cut into profit margins. It's a big red flag when they don't have confidence in paddles lasting a few months but you're paying hundreds of dollars for them.
Nice work. Pro Kennex and Gearbox are so different in terms of feel than anything else out there. The rest feel like clones of one another
CRBN is definitely an S tier. New models are just as good as the banned ones. Their is a reason everyone used them prior to Joola coming out.
I’ve seen 10 joolas per crbn since the ban
@@WorldTraveler222 Yes -- and I think BJ is the reason for a ton of their sales -- not saying the paddles are not good but BJ being as good as he is and using their paddle is causing it to sell like hot cakes.
I do love my GRUVN 16H. Super long and whippy, and the grip size feels more like a tennis racket's than most paddles I've tried.
Yeah, Gruvn 16H is awesome for tennis players. The handle is fantastic.
Chris, I felt the Gruvn H, like in your review, became too head heavy and my fingers, hand, wrist all ached pretty quickly. Otherwise I did love its feel. Do you know if the Gruvn E is more balanced and not as head heavy? Would be interested in giving Gruvn another try if so! Thanks for the videos!
@@wq177 The 16H is definitely head heavy. The swing weight is 123 which is quite high. The Gruvn 16E was closer to about 113 I think. Which isn't a very high swing weight, but it also isn't low.
If I knew what paddles you have used previously I could probably tell you if the 16E would fit well weight and balance wise.
@@PickleballStudio Where can one find swingweight & balance (headlight/headheavy) info? It is readily available for tennis rackets. I started with an Encore MX 6.0 which was great for drives and spin but felt clunky at the net. I switched to a CX11Q which is great at the net but lacking for spin & power, I think a head-light elongated paddle might be the answer.
@@billypilgrim5962 I wish companies would publish it more! I'm making a database of the paddles I have and their swing weights. Paddles that sound like they fit your description based on my testing would be:
Gearbox CX11E Power 7.8oz
Gearbox CX14E
Gearbox CX11E Control 7.8oz
Gearbox CX11E Power 8.5oz
Selkirk Vanguard Power Air
The first 3 are very headlight. Should be very comparable to your CX11Q but in elongated. The last two are more in line with what an elongated paddle is swing weight wise but I think are probably still a bit less than your MX 6.0. I haven't tested an MX 6.0 in the swing weight machine yet so I can't confirm, but usually paddles with that long of a handle are considerably higher in swing weight. Gearbox is definitely the most well known brand for going very headlight in their paddles.
Chris great job. I don’t think the rankings you had surprised me at all. I know everyone wants their paddle to be a superior grade but if you like it and it works for you who cares. The fact that so many pros are using Joola certainly warrants their grade. Personally I loved the BJ paddle but it didn’t like my elbow. Chris I literally laughed out loud when you were talking about XR paddles and the reload whipping out pistols. Keep up the great work I hope the manufacturers see this so competition will make better paddles. We are in such a good time technology wise with Pickleball.
So many pros play with Joola because they are being sponsored by a company with a lot of money. I also suspect they are giving their paddles to a lot of pro players. Ben Johns won with the Franklin and now he is winning with the Joola... What does that mean? He can play with any paddle and win... The Joola paddle is selling like crazy because the world has ALWAYS been full of suckers. The truth is... The paddle does not make the player.
Thanks so much for the great review and help! I started with Selkirk and staying with them...going to updrade to either the Halo or Amped!
Another vote for TMPR paddles. I demoed their whole line up and they felt and performed very well, especially at the price point! USA built, unique shapes and various core thickness and surfaces.
I'll have to reach out and try to get some!
@@PickleballStudio I wouldn't waste you're time. Sweet spots are very small and paddles are very cheaply made. My paddles from them the edge gaurd broke after a month on everyone from regular play usage.
@@nicholaswittendorf7230 Their early paddles(say 3 years ago) were well-made and quite playable(Tantrum GTX or GXT?). Maybe things have changed.
@@nicholaswittendorf7230 The Tantrum GXT is reviewed in several different places as having one of the largest and most forgiving sweet spots for control, while receiving tepid grades for developing huge power or spin compared to other paddles in the same class.
This is also the first time I've seen it posted that the TMPR paddles are cheaply made. I did see one comment on Reddit of an experience where the honeycomb didn't hold up well to hard ball strikes after a year. But of course, most of what you read comes out in the year following product introduction, so you never know if you're getting the same thing a few years down the road.
As an example, I've been wearing the same design of Ecco shoe since around 2000, because it fits my foot perfectly. But every replacement from then to now has shaved off a few more grams. Now with the pair I'm wearing I can actually feel the honeycomb-like layer under the insole when I put a lot of weight on one area. If the next version is yet another step down, I'm giving up on the brand.
I just ordered a Tantrum GXT as my second paddle, after taking up the sport with a CDN $50 paddle last summer (which was quite playable, actually). I'm a mid-grade 3.5 at this point, and what I need is a soft, forgiving control paddle for a year to practice drops and resets. Then I'll transition to something with more heat and spin. On the reviews I've read, of the paddle-as manufactured on introduction-it's just not possible that this paddle has a "small" sweet spot. Perhaps you got this impression because the paddle hasn't got _any_ sweet spot relative to the kind of power other paddles in this class tend to develop.
Pickleball facilities are way oversubscribed around here, so mixed pickup is the only way I get much court time in the summer. I'm nearly 6'5". If I'm gripping and ripping with a hot paddle, then I'm the jerk that most of the smaller middle-aged women don't want to play with. The other problem with aggressive play is that "put away" is a synonym for "let's all practice more serves and service returns". But I don't need those skills. Tricky serves work great against 3.5s with a slow first step, but hardly at all above this level (or they didn't, until this new wave of ridiculous paddle technology). What I need from the group are longer rallies with more net play. If I hit the ball hard in this kind of a mixed group, I'm my own worst enemy in obtaining useful practice on court.
Local facilities might catch up to demand by 2024 or 2025. And then the calculation becomes different.
@@afterthesmash haha
Interesting vid Chris. Tier list videos always get views. Have you ever tried any of the Players Pickleball paddles? I tried paddles from many of those companies in the tier list and ended up picking the Rogue2 Max Carbon from Players as my main paddle.
I've only briefly hit the Player paddles. It was prior to the new carbon ones. I've reached out a few times and they never responded.
@@PickleballStudio You need to buy their paddle and stop asking for free stuff! Lol , Just kidding but they are a small company that keeps their prices low by not giving out free stuff like other brands.
@@PickleballStudio They are a very family oriented company. Direct sales only.The mark-up by the big companies selling paddles is crazy!!
@@PickleballStudio They are selling as fast as they can make them...in Bellingham, WA !!! Lots of request for "demo" paddles and they have to minimize "giveaways" , I reckon. I let folks hit with mine and they buy one!(at least 3 dozen times so far!). Rogue2 CarbonE is the bomb!!!
I know there are like 9000 Pickleball companies now.. but you should do this again!
Great review. Do you ever rate TMPR paddles?
Also gearbox is the only company with a solid paddle without a plastic rim … you gotta mention that!!! It’s got a bigger smooth sweet spot
Vulcan came out with some killer paddles. You were right! The 940 made me switch to Vulcan from the Joola Ben Johns. It checks every single box that a paddle should.
I absolutely LOVED my Diadem Warrior, but my first one (purchased when they first came out) broke down after 3 months. They replaced it for me, but the second one broke down after 4 months. They had me send it back but ended up saying it was fine, even though it sounded and felt different, even the people I play with noticed a difference in the sound. So I won't buy another one, but I'm curious to know what paddle you think is most similar to the Warrior. I tend to play more soft/control than power. Thanks!
It’s really tough to find an equal because the Warrior is so unique. When I left the Warrior I had gone to the Model E, but it definitely has less power.
Selkirk Vanguard 2.0 invikta, Any of the 16mm Gruvn paddles also feel quite “soft” for me
Right on! I agree with all your reasoning. One “factor” maybe not discussed could be sponsored players and/or presence in the market. For example, Paddletek still boasts a number of high level pros even though their innovation may lag.
I suspect that a number of paddles of different manufacturers come out of the same factory. I would love to track that down
Oh 100% a lot of these paddles are from just a few factories.
@@PickleballStudio Now that would be a god video. I’ve always wondered about that. Sounds like you might have some insight?
As a new player, I lucked into buying a kit that a nice lady was wanting to sell for $100 dollars. Two Vulcan Paddles, and the large Vulcan Back Pack and 8 Pickle Balls. All together would have been a price of near $400.00 Looks like none of it had ever been used. So going forward in my pursuit of this new sport, I know I cannot blame the equipment for poor performance.
Great reviews on the companies! For me Gearbox CX14H ( standard 8.0 oz ) , CX11Q both awesome paddles. I weighted the Q to 8.3 all in the upper grip with it being a better singles paddle, I tried the 8.5 Q model but did not like the weight dispersion coming off a wrist injury. 4.5 Player and I love these two paddles.
Thanks! Question: I’m a good racquet baller and ping pong player. Style: moderate b/t control and power with control edging out 20% So which paddle of PBall do I need? RBall is Head Black Jack for reference.
Anyone like the RoguePlayer2 carbon paddles. It has serviced me well so far and the have a few shapes and thickness for different play styles.
Love my Players
I have one. Thinking of getting another.
Yes I have two of them
It seems like they never get a mention from channels. I know they spend little on advertising to keep prices low, which I like. Would be great to see some data on there carbon paddles, which are $130, to compare to some of the more expensive carbon paddles. They also supposedly have tech that reduces the vibration from the paddle.
I switched from Gearbox to the new Rogue 2 Carbon in their Max shape. I was looking specifically for a short handle with slightly elongated head and this was one of the very few options in the market. That shape suits me since I choke up on the grip, but the elongated shape helps make up for that.
My Head paddle is excellent.Improvement on the others I've used before.
Need to review the Rokne Curve Carbon X
I have been playing tennis for 10yrs+ and just added pickleball - about 4 months ago. Indoor tennis leagues are done for the year- and trying to play more pickleball. I currently have Onyx paddle- Z5 - It is my first and only paddle. Will upgrade when I feel I get to a better level. Although playing tennis has given me an edge with pickleball! So excited to get better at this addictive sport
I'm a big fan of the Gamma Hellbender. In my opinion, that tapered, but elongated shape with a short handle is a niche that I don't see from other companies. In my opinion, the tapered shape pushes the sweet spot out nearer to the top of the paddle head where most players are making contact anyhow. This gives extra pop for power strokes. It has a large sweet spot and balance between power and control. I am also a huge fan of the graphite face. I haven't fully tested my theory, but I think a worn graphite paddle face gets more spin than a brand new one.
6.0 Diamonds,Vatic Pro,RONBUS,Legacy my 4 top ranking ❤😊
I know your right about Vulcan. We do have a relationship with them, and I use the 740max which I like over my previous Selkirk sand Electrum. Great company, warranty, support and people. Looking forward to the “next” gen.
Vulcan paddles are too heavy, tennis elbow waiting to happen.
@@Wayneman50 perhaps, to some. To me and others, no issues. Paddle at 8.3oz and my 560 at 7.9 oz. Play what you like!
Thanks for the review! I’m still a beginner, i believe, and would like to find something to replace my 30$ paddle for more control, but don’t want to spend 150$ yet, so some review of paddles in the range up to 100$ would be great as it seems it’s hard to find what’s decent unless it’s 150$ or more! Best.
Great content as always. Would love to see a paddle model tier list for everything you've reviewed/used.
Oh man. Maybe that's what I do next. That would be a really interesting video to try and make haha.
Gearbox carbon c14 I hit an ace serve slice in a 4.0 tournament the spin was crazy on my first serve using it
I'm trying to decide on my next paddle and I really am looking for a paddle with the best spin. I currently am running with a paddletek tempest Wave Pro. So something with comparable weight while adding spin is ideal. I also prefer 1 handed paddles. Any recommendations?
100% recommend CRBN.
Good job Chris…. I think it’s a pretty good assessment even though I haven’t played with every one of those brands.
I would move Joola down to a B honestly. The paddles themselves are top tier but you pay a good sum for it. They are also one of the only companies who require shipping a broken paddle back to fill a warranty claim, and then waiting for a new one to be sent. And I’ve heard they don’t cover the cost of that.
And they're a new company. Only time will tell how they are in terms of customer service and reliability.
@@zachcarmichael699 Joola has been around for while. Probably older than half the companies listed.
@@zachcarmichael699 Far from a new company...just new to Pball.
Engage requires you to ship a paddle back in some cases. My edge trim came loose up top and they required I send it to them. They paid for the shipping and the process was easy and seamless... but I'm currently without my Engage Pursuit EX 6.0 until they ship me a new one. I have a couple other paddles I'm using in the mean time. (Engage Poach Infinity is my primary backup, and my Engage Encore is my backup to that)
My first paddle was the Pro XR. I was a little shaky with it and wouldn’t recommend it for the new player. I switched to the Engage Pursuit and man what a difference. Much more power and control. We’ll forward 10 months and now going back and using the Pro XR is a different ballgame. I’m able to see and feel the differences it has and also make use of them. I’m not arguing the handle thing isn’t weird or the advertisements are bogus( I haven’t seen them) but the paddle needs to be given a fair analysis. The handle can be very good for someone who doesn’t shift grip or use a non standard grip. In fact it provides good stability. The paddle has good feel as well. Still using my Engage but think I may start working the PRo XR back in.
Any comments on UpStreet paddles? A friend of mine bought 9 of them at with one purchase. And I would place him at 4.0 to 4.5. I'm probably a 3.5 player with some 4.0 play at times.
D tier. Most of their paddles aren’t even USAP approved
The CRBN paddles are so consistently well-made and provide great combination of softness and power. Definitely S or top of A.
Yeah, except for that whole 'doesn't meet specs' thing.
Now do warranties and the warranty process. Joola made overseas so lower costs, yet only trust their paddles to last 6 months. Now Selkirk!!! US made so higher production costs and a lifetime warranty. And they send you a new paddle and a return label for the broken one.
Lots and lots of Selkirk made overseas now, sadly
I think it is just their SLK line. Amped, Vanguard 2 still say proudly made in the USA. I now see the Vanguard Power Air says assembled in the USA. Maybe assembled means they add the grip? Odd they would change the wording.
@@terogan It's not "odd" that they changed the wording; it's mandatory as the Power Air and 003 are not "made" in the USA. And yes, assembled could be as little as wrapping the grip on US soil. I have not issue with this as I'm sure Selkirk simply didn't have the manufacturing capability to make either paddle since they aren't simply HC cores with faces glued on.
@The Pickleball Studio Have you tested the newer Prince Spectrum Pro at $129, it now is made with way more grit? For the price, excellent paddle and huge sweet spot, and now the spin is 10x better... I know they seemed to have fallen off the earth with pickleball but, that is my paddle after the 003.
Shoutout to Armour! I am using my Armour invigor8 and it feels good to beat people with way more expensive paddles than me
Whats a good brand or model for a beginner looking to get into the sport with his 5 year old? I grew up playing tennis
Speaking of Onix, there's an ad in UA-cam, "Penguin Apparel-Official Apparel Sponsor of USAP" featuring Matt Wright. 10 seconds into the ad, watch his Onix Evoke Premier Pro paddle FLEX in mid-air. How many other paddles in the market flex and warp in mid-air like that?
definitely agree on Joola, would put six zero up there too. What do you think about this OZ based company?
What do you think about legacy paddles
I'd love to see you review a Vaught paddle, I just picked one up and I'm LOVING it. I bought the X-SEVEN. Quiet and feel like I have a TON of control.
There is no such thing as "made in the USA" in paddles. Simply parts come from overseas and are assembled in the USA.
I'm thinking assembled in the USA is better than assembled in China. Not sure where ALL the components are sourced; but I can talk to the owner of Players Pickleball and have my USA-assembled paddle assembled just the way I want.
Onix Z is still sold because its a great beginner paddle. Folks just starting out don't know or want to buy a $150.00+ paddle.
Intrigued to hear why you switched from the BJ CFS to the 003! Great review and thanks for all the honest feedback, Chris.
Biggest reason was CFS lost a ton of spin after 2 months of using it. I also just felt like I generally played slightly better with the 003.
Still think generally the CFS is a great paddle.
@@PickleballStudio Excellent video! I am a current Model E user and love it but am getting ready to demo some others. Because the BJ CFS loses spin, I've been looking to Selkirk lately also. You say you get better control with the 003 so I'll probably have to wait for that to come down in price. Spin is holding up well on your 003?
@@TheBoydTV To be honest, I'm not positive that the Ben Johns loses grit faster than anyone else. I think every paddle loses grit eventually. Some are just slightly more resistant. I put that Ben Johns through some reaaaaalllllly heavy use over 2 months training for NYC.
So far 003 spin is holding up fantastic.
@@PickleballStudio Right on. I do wonder if something like a Gearbox Cx14 can keep going indefinitely (or a very long time) without losing much spin at all and if the 003 can be close to that level of indestructibility. I liked that paddle a lot but needed more power ultimately.
@@TheBoydTV I actually think Gearbox is probably as close to perfect as you can get for having spin that never really leaves. They don't have much grit to begin with, so you can't really lose anything. I haven't confirmed this yet, but supposedly the CX11 and CX14s have had new grit added that feel noticeably higher than previous models. Kind of curious about that.
003 Definitely won't hold a candle to Gearbox in terms of durability purely just because the 003 still has a polymer core.
Where would you rank TMPR? Or Prince.
Diadem rated as "A" even though it breaks? Paddletek is a great paddle with great feel and accuracy for extended dink rallies. Head is a great paddle too. Don't down grade a paddle because a company doesn't offer a variety of paddles, high spin, and gimmicks. High spin rate is the biggest gimmick of all time. I see so many players fall for it, and lose game after game because they focus on maximum spin and lack the control and speed needed to win volleys at the kitchen. Control, balance, speed, and feel are major factors when hitting resets. Heavier paddles are slower. You may consider moving Paddletek up to "S" as they are no frills, high quality, and are great "control" paddles. Selkirk and Joola really are great paddles too. Not a bunch of gimmicks. Great customer service is vital. Overall, good video and rankings.
I agree mostly with your analysis. I own the Electrum Model E and you are exactly right about it. It is hard to put down. I will say if you get a Pro II and add some lead tape around the bottom to the 4 and 8 positions it plays more steady and almost feels like a quicker version of the Model E. Still prefer the E if I must choose. Selkirk should be A and Paddletek should be B. It’s close but that’s my take. Great reviews and analysis!
I have the pro 2 and love it but want to try the E, you think I should get the thinner or thicker version?
@@willmcduff178 I’m now a bigger fan of the Pro II. It seems to have grown on me. Love the slice I can get.
do a review on new Vulcan V570 fiberglass please. Thanks
What about SportCraft? Can't ignore the OG Legends #Respect
gearbox def in the S tier i think, great list otherwise
Love my. One shot Flip spray on or not for me has power and control nice handle balance ....to each his own nice video
What about Robus and Vatic Pro?
you mentioned in one of your videos you swore by a pickleball backpack and i can't find which video you said that in, like searching for a needle in a haystack! can you help me out if you recall which backpack you mentioned?
Yup!! The Monarch back from Dicks Sporting Goods. Still using it.
Loving this content
Are you planning on doing a review of the Head Radical Tour Co? Curious to know why you like it so much considering the fact that it’s a very stiff paddle and you usually like softer paddles?
Review will hopefully be out tomorrow! Recording and editing today
Think I have narrowed my upgrade down to Joola Vision 16mm or a CRBN. What one would you roll with?
Joola Vision 16mm all day. Love it... game changer
@@djalien1057 I can't wait until you do an official review of this paddle.
What paddle is your favorite right now? The Ben John’s cfs?
Project Labs 003. CFS is what I used prior to the 003. I think the CFS is a pretty solid paddle overall. Definitely one of the better performers on the market.
What about Players Pickleball paddle such as the Rogue 2? Or Rogue 2 Carbon
Agree Selkirk is s tear but even before I got my 003. I loved my vanguard 1.0 and 2.0 I generate plenty of spin on it too I feel, both those were still s tear for me. Obviously labs is muuuuuch better though.
I mostly agree with your conclusions. I wonder though if Selkirk needs to drop one level due to the extremely high price of most of their paddles. I would also give a boost to paddles that have the same shape of handle as a tennis racquet. It seems like many paddles have a simple square shape without the small bevels (which gives it eight sides). Babolat paddles have the same shape as a tennis racquet which makes sense as they are a leader in tennis racquets.
I hate when companies don't do the bevels! Drives me insane. Selkirk wasn't doing bevels until recently and I thought it was ridiculous. Wish all the companies would get with it.
Love the overall speed and feel of the Babolat Rebel Touch. Handle feels great as well.
Great video! I would love to know what are the most durable paddles?
Gearbox, Selkirk, ProKennex are all solid. Gearbox is ahead by miles
Happy to hear. I would love to see a review video of paddles that are durable. Like after 6 months of using how is spin, control, power, etc.
Sorry to break the news to everyone, but the ball isn’t on the paddle long enough for these marketing buzz words to actually effect anything. It’s all swing path and ball trajectory.
Any thoughts on the legacy paddles?
Where would you rate the Legacy Pro? Thx
Need an update video plz
It IS a little tricky to rank companies based on one model's success; but then add variety as a plus or minus if a company has too few or too many models.
I'd bump Gamma up a notch for having a good variety of models and prices, even though they might not have a hot raw-carbon model now. The RZR and Needle were both sleepers...very nice paddles.
UNLESS I'm a dealer or brand ambassador, it doesn't matter if a brand has a diverse lineup.
It only takes one model to put a brand high on the "radar". Hard to fault a company for "only" having a couple of very popular models.
Agree, 100%. Franklin should not be ranked higher than Gamma. Franklin has basically 2 paddles that have a grit face that wears off in a week. Gamma has a myriad of paddle shapes, weights, cores and are very solid paddles overall.
Have you tried the Volair paddle?
Thoughts on the Players PB and the rogue series?
I would love to know what paddle you or others would recommend, besides ProKennex, for absorbing more of the forces that act upon the arm. Suggestions please. TIA.
I’ve heard that Players Pickleball is pretty good as well.
@@PickleballStudio Thx. I'll look into it, never heard of that brand. I'm just not loving the ProKennex, and I'm not convinced it does what it claims to do.
@@mistymountains9968 The Gel Core in the Players paddles is the real deal. I'm not even a dealer and I've "sold" over three-dozen Players Rogue paddles JUST by letting folks hit with mine! "It's so SOLID" is the almost-universal feedback when they try one...just before they either take mine or order one!!
Have you ever done any Rockne paddles?
Nice! I agree with you for the most part 😉
I knew you might not agree with the Franklin part ;)
As a new player, I am looking to purchase my first paddle for myself and my 15 year old son. I would like to keep it under $100 a paddle for the first paddles we buy because I'm sure we will upgrade as we progress in ability. I am thinking of buying the HEAD extreme tour max for $89.. What other paddles should I be looking at around the $100 price point? seems like finding reviews from multiple sources can be tough.
My suggestions would be;
Franklin Signature. Use code forum20 on their website for 20% off (might need to use all caps)
Niupipo Explorer Pro (Amazon) I think their website might have a 10% discount code too.
The Head may be okay, but I haven’t used it. Franklin signature is massively popular.
@@PickleballStudio Thanks alot, I will do some research on those 2. There are so many options, makes it tough to choose your first decent paddle.