The difference between the Gen3 and the Gen3S is the density and stiffness of the edge foam. No wonder Chris couldn't see anything different. The foam used to attach the honeycomb core to the frame provides dampening (like car shock absorbers) to mute the trampoline effect. The Gen3 used soft, spring-like foam the let the core float which allowed a large trampoline effect. The Gen3S uses stiffer edge foam and that's reflected in the lower power in relationship to the Gen3. Remember how Chris's high speed photography showing the opposite face bending outward. That's the core "floating" allowing a large trampoline effect on the Gen3 paddles. My guess is that what core Chris calls core crushing is really the edge foam completely breaking away from the frame allowing the core to float freely providing no dampening and extreme power.
Could you guys give a layman’s breakdown of restrictions one would have if they bought the Joola MOD paddle vs the 3s? You mentioned the 3s is only allowed in certain events. Are the MODs legal in all events? Thanks!
Chris you were spot on with your comment on your follow through on your backhand dink. Much like tennis, your follow through will give you your control -- and a cut off follow through (thinking you're exerting less power), contrary to what it seems, comes with much less control than following all the way through
Glad I waited to get the Reload. With your code it’s like getting 5 paddles for $200… gave in and got the Grey CRBN Pro Team Tour Bag 2.0 for $98 👍 Super sick bag! Thanks guys!
Thank you to all the brands. I really enjoyed this podcast. I had to rewind the part in your podcast when you said that Joola told you that they intentionally core crushed their paddles (Gen 3, Mods and etc.) coming from their factories. Also, Joola tested and knew that core crushed paddles (depending how much they were core crushed) would pass the deflection test. This is the first time that any company making thermoformed paddles (Gen 2 or Gen 3) have admitted to this. I made it to the kitchen. I also need to work on slowing my arm swing and completing my follow through too. Work in progress. Thank you Chris and Aizec.
Hi! I tried using the code for paddletek, are the cover and hat supposed to be automatically added to cart or will they just ship with them when I checkout with the code? Thank you!
Ordered two Melin hats, and got both my parents and my wife’s parents to get me one each as “early Christmas presents” 😎😂 Thanks for all your hard work, always super thankful for your guys’ insights and commentary on the world of pickleball! Congrats on such an awesome accomplishment!! 💪💯
This is one of the reasons I love pickleball! I always feel like the brands, like the people that you meet playing, are some of the best around and always willing to give back
I found them assuming Collin would lose the fight funny. I did boxing as a kid, then started wrestling and Jiu Jitsu during high school. I have learned that you can’t tell a person’s fighting skills just by looking at them.
Na I like collin but the reach and size advantage alshon has plus the overall athleticism is probably too big a gap for collin to cross. Also alshon seems like the type to not know how to fight but also gave been in a few
Chris, I find it crazy that your Perseus 3S 16 measured at a 119 SW. Mine measured at 125 on my Briffidi. That seems like a huge variance from paddle to paddle.
Any idea what Joola would replace a Gen 3 with if it were core crushed? They supposedly extended the warranty for those that kept them. I have a Hyperion and Perseus.
Wait so… are the Mods core crushed out of the box? I somehow still don’t understand exactly where the mod stands… it has more power than the 3S but maybe less than the ripple?
Thanks for your podcasts and congratulations on episode 100. I grabbed a j2k with this code and am so excited - thanks to all the brands for sponsoring and giving codes!
Thanks for organizing this giveaway. While I didn't win I was able to take advantage of the flash sale and pick up a 11Six24 Monarch All Court paddle and some Luqi overgrips. 👍🏽
Aizec’s hat… Love you guys and my buddies and I have worn Melin for a while now, but I can’t find anything nice to say about that hat. We’ll see if it grows on me in these next 45 min
So is this what a gen 3 is now (maybe except for the Gearbox) - an intentionally crushed paddle from the factory without being crackly yet? It makes sense if that is why most of them get more and more powerful quickly with break-in. Seems like the fix for the paddle requirements for usap or upaa is to require that cores not be crushed, and have random destructive testing on new paddles.
I hope that was a preproduction sample of the ripple you played with and not something that’s gonna be typical cause it would certainly be a shame that such a good paddle would degrade like that
I’m honestly surprised there’s not a lawsuit against joola on this intentional core crushing. Selling a paddle they designed with an intentionally shortened lifespan without informing their customers, and then charging them $300 for it? Sounds very misleading imo
Can someone recommend the best advanced beginner paddle in regards to the brands available on this flash sale? My initial thoughts are a 11six24 Monarch Jellybean, Vatic Prism Flash or the Neonic Flare (if still in stock). Maybe a Ronbus? Looking for something with a lot of forgiveness for a beginner and is light for quick hands at the kitchen. I can usually generate my own power. I have a couple elongated paddles, but have found them to be too slow for me at the kitchen until I get better, then I may use them more.
I'm an advanced beginner player. I recently bought the new Paddletek ALW-C 14.3 mm paddle, and I love it. Paddletek has a demo program if you're interested. They are located in Michigan.
The Vatic Prism Flash 16mm will be the softest most control orientated paddle while the 11Six24 Monarch Jellybean 16mm will has just a touch more pop & power due to the fiberglass layer in the face sheet. I've played both paddles and either would be an excellent choice for under $100! I know nothing about the Neonic, but would highly recommend the PIKKL Hurricane Pro 16 as one of the softest playing Gen 2 type paddles on the market. It is a reset machine with ample power but it works great for softer shots.
The Joola "issue"... Agree completely playing against them isn't that big of deal any more, but why would anyone want to play with them these days. With their admittedly bad quality control, poor customer service history, regulatory issues, high price point, etc etc etc. I find myself just unhappy with Joola, what they are doing to pickleball. I fully admit to silently judging everyone who plays with a "gen anything above a MOD-TA". Reputation is broken and you don't get it back by marrying the mistress (Joola/UPA-A).
Kinda feels like Joola purposely made the MOD to not last long so we just keep purchasing new ones, I am a 5.3 rated player and fully crushed my MOD in exactly 30 days from purchase, I was able to fully squeeze the face of the paddle, kinda sucks that these things don't last
So why are they charging unreasonable amounts of money if there’s such a large chance it’s already crushed or going to crush in the near future? Crazy to charge that much money for a paddle that’s just gonna lose grit in months time or break
Hey Chris! Thanks for the episode. I know this is personal preference, but I’m super big on trying to avoid spoilers. I like watching the games without knowing how it’s going to end. In the past you’ve been pretty good about letting us know when you’re about to talk about game results. Which you technically did this time as well but when I tried to skip that section the TITLE of the next segment was a SPOILER! Haha. If it’s not too much work and you think about it, I would really appreciate not having spoilers in the segment titles.
haha sorry!! Normally I'm better about that...with all the giveaway emails I've been going through today I rushed through getting the pod up. Noted for next time.
@@jzamaray my shipping was only 6. But the shipping cost is there whether you have a discount code or not. So it’s still 20%. Just on a higher price than advertised due to the shipping cost.
I have the email that says I won but when I hit Reply button in the email it just takes me to your UA-cam channel main page. How else should I respond?
You sure you got a legit email? My wife won and the email she received was just text. There was no reply button. You just reply like you would normally do w/emails.
When my ball is as warped as a black hole but me and my crew just pop it back into place because it's too expensive you don't get it. And you seriously expect people to just go sit down another $300 on a Big Brand paddle because theirs is making a rattling sound. Bro not everyone gets sent free paddles
Kinda curious, you talked to Joola and got them to give you information on the original Gen3 construction. You then went on to criticize their design decisions on the pod, which you couldn't really have done without them giving you the info. Do you worry that companies will see this as a reason not to be so open and share details with you?
Hmmm, I think it's a pro or con either way. If you don't say what changed and people open it themselves, they can only speculate and assume nothing changed (since at first glance that's how it appears), and that wouldn't be a great look considering all the drama with the Gen 3/Mod. I suppose it could be viewed as a reason for companies not to share, but realistically I think people will always come to their own conclusions by cutting it open themselves. Generally I don't feel like there's a reason not to share the information unless: 1. You did something sketchy 2. You are trying to protect an idea from being stolen (But even still, this only delays #2.).
The after match chirping is weird to me. In the NBA during the game players can say some bad really stuff but afterward is generally all good for everybody. After all next year you may be on my team.
Chris, I hope this doesn't come off as someone giving pickleball advice to another when playing. lolol. If you can move your key light on the opposite side of your faces (if you have 2), your brothers key light would be your hair light, and vice versa. This way, you would be shooting into the shadow side of your face, creating more depth, and a more pleasing image, and one light does 2 jobs. You will still want to add a frontal light to lift the shadow side (now the side directly facing the camera), but it wouldn't need to be a powerful light by any means. I've been creating podcasts for John Deere and many others, and that lighting setup is our go to. Depending on what your ceiling looks like in the studio, you can either get scissor clips for a drop ceiling, or a varipole to rig it overhead if not.
Haha no worries Robert! Thats actually how we want to light it (exactly how you described). But unfortunately we are severeellllyyyy limited by low ceilings in the studio. There’s not a super feasible way to have the key light coming from the opposite end. Maybe if we used some flex panels right on the ceiling, but then we’d have some fun cable management to deal with. The ceiling is only about 7 ish feet. Even with a varipole a small light would be seen pretty easily. (We’re actually using two varipoles in the back for the p60c’s and 60x’s). Was bummed we couldn’t get the setup you described, but maybe with enough workarounds we’ll make it work. Right now the key light is a 600d with an Aputure dome III lighting both of us.
This episode was much easier to watch. The combo of lighting and zoom was spot on. Also, thanks to the brands for supporting the channel!
Your brother lookin like a Filipino who’s really obsessed with super Mario but also thinks he looks cool at the gym with that hat
This made me laugh so hard 😂
This is actually hilarious. 🤣
🤣
@@PickleballStudio I really love your reviews guys but are you really half Filipino?
I thought Naruto
The difference between the Gen3 and the Gen3S is the density and stiffness of the edge foam. No wonder Chris couldn't see anything different. The foam used to attach the honeycomb core to the frame provides dampening (like car shock absorbers) to mute the trampoline effect. The Gen3 used soft, spring-like foam the let the core float which allowed a large trampoline effect. The Gen3S uses stiffer edge foam and that's reflected in the lower power in relationship to the Gen3. Remember how Chris's high speed photography showing the opposite face bending outward. That's the core "floating" allowing a large trampoline effect on the Gen3 paddles. My guess is that what core Chris calls core crushing is really the edge foam completely breaking away from the frame allowing the core to float freely providing no dampening and extreme power.
Could you guys give a layman’s breakdown of restrictions one would have if they bought the Joola MOD paddle vs the 3s? You mentioned the 3s is only allowed in certain events. Are the MODs legal in all events? Thanks!
Love the 3S talk. Much more clear now. Thanks guys
By the looks of it, Melin has come a long way... 😬
The whole episode I just wanted to pop a zit. 😂
Chris you were spot on with your comment on your follow through on your backhand dink. Much like tennis, your follow through will give you your control -- and a cut off follow through (thinking you're exerting less power), contrary to what it seems, comes with much less control than following all the way through
Really cool of all those brands to chip in for the 100th! Great work fellas!
Glad I waited to get the Reload. With your code it’s like getting 5 paddles for $200… gave in and got the Grey CRBN Pro Team Tour Bag 2.0 for $98 👍 Super sick bag! Thanks guys!
Driving them off the court is the best way to put how the Joola 3 and Mod play.
Thank you to all the brands. I really enjoyed this podcast. I had to rewind the part in your podcast when you said that Joola told you that they intentionally core crushed their paddles (Gen 3, Mods and etc.) coming from their factories. Also, Joola tested and knew that core crushed paddles (depending how much they were core crushed) would pass the deflection test. This is the first time that any company making thermoformed paddles (Gen 2 or Gen 3) have admitted to this. I made it to the kitchen. I also need to work on slowing my arm swing and completing my follow through too. Work in progress. Thank you Chris and Aizec.
Hi! I tried using the code for paddletek, are the cover and hat supposed to be automatically added to cart or will they just ship with them when I checkout with the code? Thank you!
Picked up a 11six24 all court. Thank you. Also wanted to get a j2ti but could not apply the code.
Ordered two Melin hats, and got both my parents and my wife’s parents to get me one each as “early Christmas presents” 😎😂
Thanks for all your hard work, always super thankful for your guys’ insights and commentary on the world of pickleball! Congrats on such an awesome accomplishment!! 💪💯
Did you guys mainly use the R1 or R2 version of the Ripple?
Mod TAs need to be banned, there's a huge difference between them and any other below them
😂😂 gearbox?
This is one of the reasons I love pickleball! I always feel like the brands, like the people that you meet playing, are some of the best around and always willing to give back
No way Alshon has ever been in a fight, unless he was getting beat up. Collin would hit him once and Alshon would go crying to ALW
I found them assuming Collin would lose the fight funny. I did boxing as a kid, then started wrestling and Jiu Jitsu during high school. I have learned that you can’t tell a person’s fighting skills just by looking at them.
Na I like collin but the reach and size advantage alshon has plus the overall athleticism is probably too big a gap for collin to cross. Also alshon seems like the type to not know how to fight but also gave been in a few
The players I play against that use the Gearbox Pro paddle are both the launch speed and the bigger issue is the ball seems to knuckle...
Thanks for all the brands!
Thanks all to the Brands!❤
Chris, I find it crazy that your Perseus 3S 16 measured at a 119 SW. Mine measured at 125 on my Briffidi. That seems like a huge variance from paddle to paddle.
Living in California, I must say that this episode was waaay too short. 😉
Used your flash code and got a Shapeshifter for a great price, thank you and thanks Chorus. I will buy the Ronbus Ripple as soon as I can though!
Any idea what Joola would replace a Gen 3 with if it were core crushed? They supposedly extended the warranty for those that kept them. I have a Hyperion and Perseus.
Wait so… are the Mods core crushed out of the box? I somehow still don’t understand exactly where the mod stands… it has more power than the 3S but maybe less than the ripple?
Thank you for putting together the 100th episode giveaways and discounts, Chris! I can't imagine how much work that took to organize!
Thanks for your podcasts and congratulations on episode 100. I grabbed a j2k with this code and am so excited - thanks to all the brands for sponsoring and giving codes!
So is the Mod TA closer to the original Gen 3 while the 3s is weak sauce? Can you clarify this?
Is Aizec a hip train conductor?
Thanks for organizing this giveaway. While I didn't win I was able to take advantage of the flash sale and pick up a 11Six24 Monarch All Court paddle and some Luqi overgrips. 👍🏽
Aizec’s hat… Love you guys and my buddies and I have worn Melin for a while now, but I can’t find anything nice to say about that hat. We’ll see if it grows on me in these next 45 min
One word....ATROCIOUS!!!😂
So is this what a gen 3 is now (maybe except for the Gearbox) - an intentionally crushed paddle from the factory without being crackly yet? It makes sense if that is why most of them get more and more powerful quickly with break-in. Seems like the fix for the paddle requirements for usap or upaa is to require that cores not be crushed, and have random destructive testing on new paddles.
Do you know why in almost of the 3S paddles the 16mm has better swing weight and are lighter than the 14? In the Gen 3 this was the opposite.
Oh man is that a rolex Aizec's blingin' with his super mario melin hat?
Where did u put the lead on the ripple paddle?
With the tech in the NEXUS core being new approach, hope this eliminates or really reduces crushing. Looking forward to your review Chris.
I played a guy other day using modTA. I’ve never had drives come at me harder with more spin 🤯
I thought the TA has less spin because less grit
yes the Mod TAs are scary
Will there be a Ruby version of the DBD Elongated? I feel like people like the Ruby more so it'd make sense to me
Can you review Friday Challenger paddle?
Shapeshifter vs. Apollo? Down to these two and would like to know your opinion
Apollo wide body bigger sweet spot better spin and reset also more maneuverable 😊
Purchased my first Melin. Taking advantage of the code! Hoping is a get as you say. Thanks for what you do!
I hope that was a preproduction sample of the ripple you played with and not something that’s gonna be typical cause it would certainly be a shame that such a good paddle would degrade like that
As always, great episode. Thanks for the 20% on my Neonic Flow order :)
Can’t believe I missed the flash sale.
Which has more power and pop, mod or ripple?
I’m honestly surprised there’s not a lawsuit against joola on this intentional core crushing. Selling a paddle they designed with an intentionally shortened lifespan without informing their customers, and then charging them $300 for it? Sounds very misleading imo
Thank you brands! Pre ordered the 14mm J2k. Pumped
Isaacs car analogy has never heard of Ferrari
What brand is the grey hat your wearing?
Melin
Can someone recommend the best advanced beginner paddle in regards to the brands available on this flash sale? My initial thoughts are a 11six24 Monarch Jellybean, Vatic Prism Flash or the Neonic Flare (if still in stock). Maybe a Ronbus? Looking for something with a lot of forgiveness for a beginner and is light for quick hands at the kitchen. I can usually generate my own power. I have a couple elongated paddles, but have found them to be too slow for me at the kitchen until I get better, then I may use them more.
Jellybean
I'm an advanced beginner player. I recently bought the new Paddletek ALW-C 14.3 mm paddle, and I love it. Paddletek has a demo program if you're interested. They are located in Michigan.
The Vatic Prism Flash 16mm will be the softest most control orientated paddle while the 11Six24 Monarch Jellybean 16mm will has just a touch more pop & power due to the fiberglass layer in the face sheet. I've played both paddles and either would be an excellent choice for under $100! I know nothing about the Neonic, but would highly recommend the PIKKL Hurricane Pro 16 as one of the softest playing Gen 2 type paddles on the market. It is a reset machine with ample power but it works great for softer shots.
Jelly bean ,I have the all court model excellent paddle and so is the bean.
I didn’t win, but I still really appreciate the discounts and the chance to win. Nice work boys🎉
What paddles are you each using now?
The Joola "issue"... Agree completely playing against them isn't that big of deal any more, but why would anyone want to play with them these days. With their admittedly bad quality control, poor customer service history, regulatory issues, high price point, etc etc etc. I find myself just unhappy with Joola, what they are doing to pickleball. I fully admit to silently judging everyone who plays with a "gen anything above a MOD-TA". Reputation is broken and you don't get it back by marrying the mistress (Joola/UPA-A).
A day late. I was so busy yesterday couldn’t get any paddles.
Kinda feels like Joola purposely made the MOD to not last long so we just keep purchasing new ones, I am a 5.3 rated player and fully crushed my MOD in exactly 30 days from purchase, I was able to fully squeeze the face of the paddle, kinda sucks that these things don't last
Brother lets get the cameras zoomed out a little further like they were before lmao
Great show. Bad hat 😂
The Joola storm lasted a long time...
So why are they charging unreasonable amounts of money if there’s such a large chance it’s already crushed or going to crush in the near future? Crazy to charge that much money for a paddle that’s just gonna lose grit in months time or break
Sorry why is will not on the pod anymore?
Got a Thrive with the PB100 discount!!!
Is that the $200 vintage Melin??
Hey Chris! Thanks for the episode.
I know this is personal preference, but I’m super big on trying to avoid spoilers. I like watching the games without knowing how it’s going to end. In the past you’ve been pretty good about letting us know when you’re about to talk about game results. Which you technically did this time as well but when I tried to skip that section the TITLE of the next segment was a SPOILER! Haha. If it’s not too much work and you think about it, I would really appreciate not having spoilers in the segment titles.
haha sorry!! Normally I'm better about that...with all the giveaway emails I've been going through today I rushed through getting the pod up. Noted for next time.
@@PickleballStudio thank you! :)
I used your code a couple times today btw. I got a J2K and some luqi overgrips! Thanks for that too :)
@@PickleballStudio and a monarch all court!
Honolulu is charging 10.07 for shipping. So it's not 20% off😢
@@jzamaray my shipping was only 6. But the shipping cost is there whether you have a discount code or not. So it’s still 20%. Just on a higher price than advertised due to the shipping cost.
Another good one fellas
I have the email that says I won but when I hit Reply button in the email it just takes me to your UA-cam channel main page. How else should I respond?
You sure you got a legit email? My wife won and the email she received was just text. There was no reply button. You just reply like you would normally do w/emails.
That wasn’t from me. That was a scammer responding to your comment on UA-cam.
Love my Hyperion 3s..imo..my drive have more pop and I have better drop shot control.
14mm or 16?
Generally speaking do paddles lose control and gain power as they get broken in?
A lot do but not all of them
@@ardynites1733 I wondering it’s more common on a Gen 2.
I'm kinda annoyed that w/the discount I would need to buy 3 Melins just to get free shipping. 😛
Of course the Melin I wanted is now OOS! :(
Oh man... after 100 it's just been totally down hill... I didn't get my "you're a loser" email... so you're saying there is still a chance...
I didn’t win but bought myself a new melin hat!
Just found out Engage makes a ball...
When my ball is as warped as a black hole but me and my crew just pop it back into place because it's too expensive you don't get it. And you seriously expect people to just go sit down another $300 on a Big Brand paddle because theirs is making a rattling sound. Bro not everyone gets sent free paddles
You know this is a nit-picky nerd out on paddles podcast right? If that’s not what you enjoy then no need to listen haha
DBD Hawaii ordered
I've already got two more hats from melin🎉😅
Pop it
Thats a rough looking hat
Six zero
Hi! When did you send out the email for winners?
Last night around midnight CST.
Second. Yay! Did not see any winning email either. Just my typical luck 😂
Kinda curious, you talked to Joola and got them to give you information on the original Gen3 construction. You then went on to criticize their design decisions on the pod, which you couldn't really have done without them giving you the info. Do you worry that companies will see this as a reason not to be so open and share details with you?
Hmmm, I think it's a pro or con either way.
If you don't say what changed and people open it themselves, they can only speculate and assume nothing changed (since at first glance that's how it appears), and that wouldn't be a great look considering all the drama with the Gen 3/Mod.
I suppose it could be viewed as a reason for companies not to share, but realistically I think people will always come to their own conclusions by cutting it open themselves.
Generally I don't feel like there's a reason not to share the information unless:
1. You did something sketchy
2. You are trying to protect an idea from being stolen (But even still, this only delays #2.).
The Melin code also expires at midnight tonight?
Yup!
podcast about Pickleball!? I can say with confidence, I have seen everything in this life!
Zoom in a little too much
The after match chirping is weird to me. In the NBA during the game players can say some bad really stuff but afterward is generally all good for everybody. After all next year you may be on my team.
Chris, I hope this doesn't come off as someone giving pickleball advice to another when playing. lolol.
If you can move your key light on the opposite side of your faces (if you have 2), your brothers key light would be your hair light, and vice versa. This way, you would be shooting into the shadow side of your face, creating more depth, and a more pleasing image, and one light does 2 jobs. You will still want to add a frontal light to lift the shadow side (now the side directly facing the camera), but it wouldn't need to be a powerful light by any means. I've been creating podcasts for John Deere and many others, and that lighting setup is our go to.
Depending on what your ceiling looks like in the studio, you can either get scissor clips for a drop ceiling, or a varipole to rig it overhead if not.
Haha no worries Robert!
Thats actually how we want to light it (exactly how you described). But unfortunately we are severeellllyyyy limited by low ceilings in the studio. There’s not a super feasible way to have the key light coming from the opposite end.
Maybe if we used some flex panels right on the ceiling, but then we’d have some fun cable management to deal with.
The ceiling is only about 7 ish feet. Even with a varipole a small light would be seen pretty easily. (We’re actually using two varipoles in the back for the p60c’s and 60x’s).
Was bummed we couldn’t get the setup you described, but maybe with enough workarounds we’ll make it work.
Right now the key light is a 600d with an Aputure dome III lighting both of us.
Third🎉🎉
First. Yay!