Our Annual For Our Mooney Goes From Good to Bad.... Really Bad!!!
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Well we spoke to soon. Our annual first annual inspection started off really well but then I asked the mechanic to go through and find every little detail wrong with the plane. I am going to be so excited to get it back and I am very grateful we found the issues on the ground and not in the air!
In this video we discuss our first annual inspection of our m20c mooney. It is a critical part of aircraft ownership and one of the hards parts of general aviation. If you ever thought of buying and airplane this this is a most watch!
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Good on you, I work on airplanes and I cant tell you how many owners put their wallet ahead of their life. There is no better feeling than having a good machine you can depend on. No one ever said "I'm glad I saved that money" when their airplane decided to eat corn.
As a fellow M20C owner, I have a 10k annual every five years or so. I like my plane to be safe and well maintained. Parts wear out, radios, instruments, and other items need upgrades from time to time.
Glad I'm an AP I also own a Mooney m20G I don't have these issues lol. Good luck brother
That is definitely on the high side for a annual but not outrageous. Especially, with so many original parts still on the plane. Whenever the question of cost vs. safety crosses your mind. Just imagine that you fly over the mountains at night everyday then make your decision. Also Mooney's are one of the most economical complex planes you can have. Have the same problems with a Bonanza and you could easily double that cost.
You have the right attitude. And every year you will have a even more dependable plane that will get you safely to all the places that you want to go.
Bought my ‘65 Cherokee 180C about 2 1/2 years ago and when I did my first annual it was quite a journey as well. Just a lot of little squawks that added up. All in all about $15k spent (lots of preventative maintenance).
My Arrow had 17 years of paper whipped annuals when I bought it. I had no engine work done and only had an ADSB transponder installed for instruments also all new LED Nav anti collision and landing lights. I don’t have enough hours to need NDT testing on my wing spar.
My first annual was $40,000 forty thousand US dollars.
That is every AD SB not complied with for the past 17 years being brought into compliance.
Sounds like someone didn't do a prebuy....
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All I paid for was the overhauled engine. All I paid for was $38,000 with a 9:21 zero time engine.
The plane was square. It needed fuel tank AD and a new exhaust.
This year I need a new prop no more Eddie Current inspection allowed and I am doing Electronic Ignition.
Prior owner would not allow pre-buy. He did a good amount that was not on the up and up.
@DWBurns I ran into something similar on a 172N (1978) purchase. Great airframe and engine. Missing records (1st 13yrs). I vref'd and deducted $10k. Later, I found out the oil filter system had been modified and avionics system had an intermittent problem that didn't appear during test flight. $68k for plane and $43k later to make everything right (full glass IFR). The shysters are definitely out there. I'll probably miss out on some good deals now because I'm a hard-ass buyer.
18k thats a very expensive annual. Usually leaking gas tanks or cylinders add $6000. I use to work at a large Mooney dealership years ago. I now have a Mod Squad M20C that I work on. Good luck with the annual.
I am hoping the final numbers come in less than the estimate but who knows. In the long run I am just gonna be happy getting back in the air. Tanks were done last year along with complete refurbishment of the avionics so these items were the last steps. The 4 things that added up quick were the prop governor overhaul, hydraulic lines, nose gear and the baffling.
@@yankeebravoaviation4421 There's a flat rate for just the annual or 100 hour inspection & its usually around $2500. If done IAW part 43 appendix D which is all that's required by the FAA & AD's. The exhaust port doesn't need to be ground down unless the flange is badly eroded & pulling the exhaust studs can open up a can of worms. All you need is a little red high temp rtv or furnace cement on the gasket.
I hate that you have to give that disclaimer at the beginning. So annoying how people who are not involved and know nothing about the situation will judge and accuse mechanics of wrong doing. I spent over $10K on the first annual on my airplane and for the same reasons as you described. Wanted that clean slate to start from. And yet the comments I got from people accusing my mechanics of ripping me off were awful. Good on you for sharing this and for your approach. Personally I think it's the right way to do it with a new-to-you aircraft.
Sorry about the bad news. I also have a Mooney but it is my second plane. My first plane was a 1950 Cessna 170A that I purchased from my dad - he gave me a good deal. Dad did most of his maintenance with a sign off from an old A&P he had been using for years. My dad is a pretty good mechanic so I knew the plane was well maintained. I was also new to aviation when I purchased the plane. (I learned to fly in the 170 after getting it from dad.) Well... During my first annual my mechanic gave me a long list of items that needed to be repaired. Be broke it down by things that needed to be fixed now, things that can wait for a year, and things that should be fixed but can wait. I ended up spreading most of it out over two years. Like with you, my wife was not happy. We purchased the plane thinking it was in great shape. My wife was OK with purchasing the plane but not excited about it. When we got a repair estimate that was over 50% of what we paid for the plane my wife quit being OK which took away a lot of the fun of owning the plane. With time she came around and one of the reasons I got the Mooney was she liked it more than the Cessna. I'm lucky to have a mechanic I enjoy working with thought this whole process. Sounds like your next annual will be easier.
Extremely expensive... Good luck!
I’ve had my C model for 28 years. It’s like adopting a child then finding out you have to send him/her to Harvard. My mechanic has become a good friend. One time during an annual he asked me if I was sitting down, I was and it still hurt. I’ve learned to expect the unexpected. Last year going into annual I thought the plane was good to go, but then it needed a cylinder, prop reseal and a carburetor overhaul, oh well. Thanks for the video, I feel your pain.
The money hurts but we are planning on keeping the plane for a very long time so hopefully it will be worth it in the long run. As a added bonus it gets Brie used to big bills for the future upgrades that are coming in the next year or two. Where are you based out of?
Sportys, I69.
Our plane has provided some great experiences seeing parts of country we would never have seen without. Outside of off shore cruising I’m not sure there’s another way to have an adventure.
When renting a plane and at 10,000 ft and you hear a strange noise, the first thought is, “ OMG, I’m gonna die”, when owning, the first thought is, “OMG, how much is it gonna cost and how much jewelry will have I have to buy my wife?”
Seriously, my biggest worry is having a breakdown a thousand miles from home. Sometimes the biggest hassle is finding someone to work on it and money doesn’t seem as important at that time. Delayed maintenance is always more expensive as well as stupid.
@@rodvivianrodv1327 getting stuck is my biggest fear as well. Al you can do is hope for the best and be as prepared as you can be. Also it helps to have good friends with planes that will rescue you if needed.
Check AD90-04-06 R1 it normally changes it to stainless steel with the option to use a fire resistant hose which Yours is not and besides if this was put in 1990 per AD it is over 20 years old I would get it replaced and use the AD for guidance. Hope this helps to keep You safe.
New subscriber - my first annual on my ‘62 C could have paid for a K or 3 flying C’s… if that makes you feel better.
Did you make a list we can view? I have an M20C and doing the annual (A&P). Learning a lot about Mooneys. Needs a lot of TLC. Previous Mech let a lot slide. Did you get nose gear part from Lasar? I was going to buy one they had in stock for mine. Now nothing. I have to send mine in to rework. $1150 Suggestion for future videos. You are prob in a room with no carpet as there is a bad echo. Hard to hear you. Thanks for info.
I’ve seen some sketchy things under cowls and behind panels. What I see in rental aircraft is that most of these little things can be fixed or prevented with common sense and attention to detail (and actually caring). Some of the repairs I’ve seen equate to lazy automotive mechanics with the “they’ll never see it” attitude like RTV being used instead of a cable tie or clamp. What do you think 10 months later? It’s almost time for your annual again. Was it worth it? Seriously considering an older M20 C through G.
That is a really hard question to answer. I think at the end of the day it was totally worth it because I do have the confidence in the plane again but with that said IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY for a first annual.
@@yankeebravoaviation4421 Agreed, that was a ton of $, considering you didn't do a top or prop OH, avionics update, or any other big ticket item. As long as you won't have another big expense on a few annuals to come, it might be a good thing to spend in advance. It is a bit like owning a classic car, except you're not allowed to do a lot of the maintenance...
Love my C! Similar color as yours. I would love to Know where you found an air intake Bellows for $45. They are usually about $500 if you can even find one at all.
It was what was on the work order. I would be more than happy to ask though.
Well I just looked at the work order again. You are 100% right. It was $485 and the line item right under it was .5 hours which was 45 dollars.
2 years ago I think I paid $350-400
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“Clean slate” in aviation rarely happens…you can try…..
Clean slate was in regards to not deferring any maintenance.
Should I buy a Mooney?
Coulda been worse…. I could have sprung a leak in Atlanta.
Shane.... you have a mooney and a very nice mooney at that haha... its just stupid slow hahaha
The east coast got crop dusted with 100LL, Al Mooney’s fault
I don't know how you guys do it. I was sitting stationary on my Zx1100 years ago, looked down and saw an extensive amount of fuel running along the ground over to the counter at the drive through bottleshop. Fuel tank failed. And every boat I've owned I have had to get good at repairs. As much as I'd love to fly, it sure is a whole other league of care required in advance. Glad you are being thorough. My 2nd great uncle Hudson Fysh, formed QANTAS and was ceo until 66'. His books are such a good read- the early days of Qantas prior to them having an engineering team, they had to do all their own repairs. One story they had to rebuild an engine on a plane that had to force land out in the bush. They camped out there for two weeks, and shot parrots for food. A spare engine block was flown out in the passenger seat of another plane and they built the engine out in the scrub. Funny stuff.
Jake in Australia