Yikes! Hydro Gear Transmission MAJOR PROBLEM + Upgrade
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2024
- Don't let this happen to you! Upgrade your Hydro Gear transmission before it leaks out all the oil and ruins it! Taryl goes over what the upgrade includes and how to install it in this here video. If yours is one of the ones listed in the bulletin Taryl goes over you won't wanna hesitate to upgrade it today. And as always... There's Your Dinner!!
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Make sure you drop your oil pump in the dirt so it has the proper grit preload.
I loved this unboxing video! They not only sent you the oil filter and the transmission kit, but they sent you two deluxe paper creepers to keep your clothes clean, You wadded them up on camera and tossed them away just to get a laugh on camera, but we all know that those are creepers! And you got TWO!! Those guys really must be Taryl Fans!
Had to do this same repair a couple of years ago on my Gravely, just replaced the o rings. Didn't mark the cover, didn't know I needed to, and installed one backwards, they will go on either way. When one pump wouldn't work I had to do a lot of research to figure out why. Turned the cover around, works fine. Thanks for posting this, wish I had seen it 2 years ago.
Did the same
Wish I had known about that upgrade. Had a Husqvarna garden tractor in a few months back that had transmission problems. The owner had taken it to a shop and was told it can't be fixed because the transmission is a sealed pressurized unit. Not so. It had been leaking for do long it was very low on oil and had never been serviced. The charge pump cover bolts were loose. I pulled it off, put in a new o-ring and torqued the bolts. Drained the nasty remaining oil. Put in new oil and filter. Worked like a charm. Let it sit for two days. Didn't leak. Did a full service. The owner said it ran better than new. I only wish it had the external reservoir. What a pain to put oil in!.
They never think ahead these engineers building this stuff .my hydro trans didn't even have a dam drain plug . I feel you brother what a pain
you have to watch out for scamming mecanics i had a friend had a briggs engine blowing white smoke he brought some place they told him the engine was finished then he called me i took one look at it he fired it up no smoke then boom smoked like hell i told him head gasket blown took head off showed him right there and then even told him where it was leaking when it was off he saw i was right got a new head gasket torked it down to spec and bob is your uncle ran like a top no smoke the guy just want to sell him a new machine or an other engine ,crooks have to watch it like car mecanics just as bad if you dont know they know it and will screw you over big time i am honest and they like that ,i just did a job on a snowblower one of the holes on the head was broken clean off nothing to bolt to only had one hole so i tried to fix it useing jb weld built the side of the head back up once hard drilled a hole in it and drilled out the other hole in the head then put 2 new insurts to screw into with new screws put jb weld in the holes and on the in surts place them in the holes then put a light cover over the head where the carb would screw into sanded all straight, made a gasket screwed it into the insurts with blue lock tight put it all back together ,adjusted the ohv rockers and fired it up ,ran super, happy about that if i did not try this it could have cost $30-150 just for a head i knew jb weld can handle quite a bite of head so not to worried about it falling apart,if it fails well then going to need a head because that one will be scrap ,but if you dont try you dont know,so far so good,sorry some may not agree, but i like to save it if i can, it works now and thats the maine thing,
I thought the Husqvarna tractors had tuff torque transaxles
They do have tuff torque, but they are sealed units. Wish they had a an upgraded kit like the Deere LA145 for their hydro units. Now they have a drain plug. Taryl did a video on that one a few years back. @@staind288
Did you not take out the air cover at the top side? Looks line an Allen bolt. Once you pull those the oil goes in a little quicker. You can even force the oil down with a small pump to fill much quicker.
Great video ! hydro-gear should have you write the service bulletins !
The reason for the off set is this determines the rotation of the charge pump. If you install it back wards there won’t be any charge pressure to stroke the pump. If you look at the input belt you would see the two pumps are turning the same direction. Some models may have one pump spinning one way and the 2nd pump turning opposite. That’s the purpose of the directional mark. The charge pump is there to continuously fill the loop with oil as there is designed leakage that is used to cool the system.
That's almost always where they leak. Axle seals as well, especially when they're all tangled up with twine, string, etc. I'm a Country Clipper Dealer and see this problem often.
Thanks Taryl!!!
@TarylFixesAlI I'm probably going to have to buy another slippers bobblehead. One of the customers knocked it off the shelf and broke his head off. I fixed him but another customer knocked him off the shelf and broke both his feet. Poor slippers.
That's funny had to replace these on my country clipper 355 Pro the charge pumps where both leaking got tired of having to add oil all the time
Another good Sunday morning video thanks Taryl
Love the way you looked like your tee shirt at the end with there's your dinner. Your a good guy taryl, thanks man.
I always took the top plug out so it would refill faster and after oil ran out the hole reinstalled plugs and finished filling. I found that to be faster when serving!
Yes, That's the BadBoy manual method of filling, then add small amount to the "mark on the reservoir". I think Taryl may have not read or researched the filling on those transmissions.
Same situation on the Walker mowers too. Also, don’t trust the filter cover. My Walker has the ZT 2800 stamped on the hydro. But, the cover says ZT 3100. It came that way from the factory. The same pumps were upgraded because of a leak by a warranty repair. That is how I learned about the generic cover. There’s your snack.
Thank you for sharing.👍
Great job taryl love watching thanks for sharing
I'm here now! Let the show begin Taryl!!!!!!!!!! You can see by looking at the cover that the hole is OFF CENTER. That's easy. What happened to your NEW mouse pads??? Can't find them.
Glad you're along!
Love your videos, you help me diagnose my defective head gaskets on my Kohler courage 25 hp. Keep up the good content.
Very cool! Great work Taryl!
Taryl, there's a small vent plug on the flat side of the unit about half way at the top. You take that vent plug out and watch the plug hole until you see oil start running out of the vents and you have them blead. If you put that charge pump cover on 180 out the unit will not work because of the direction of rotation will be wrong. Those O-rings leak quite often on some models. I have completely dissembled those units and resealed them with very good results. We ran 20w50 Synthetic motor oil in them. Thanks for the videos. Lee
A few years ago my charge pump on my left zt-3100 was leaking. I put in a new o-ring and it still leaked. I noticed there was a .012 gap between the cover and the main housing so I filed .008 off both sides of the cover mounting bosses (carefully keeping it square with the rotor housing). No more leaking!. Also, the zt-3100 has a threaded vent plug to let the air out and the drive will fill quickly if you doing a complete oil change...Al Scott. Good video Taryl!
Good use of lift to raise chassis!😀
Thanks, for sharing 😊.
I have a Scrub Cadet with ZT2800 hydro’s. Haven’t had any problems yet but now I know what to expect. As always thanks for the dinner. 👍
Awesome video God Bless you and your family
I just tightened it by hand and guess what…. It’s over tightened now!
Great informative video. Thanks
Awesome video as always Taryl
I'd wrap my Christmas presents with that paper. That was nice stuff!
I’m glad I watched this, I’ll be doing this later this year on my mower with the same drives. But after you refill it with oil, I knew you had to cycle them forward and backward to get the oil down into the system but I had no idea, took it, as long as it did, as long as that took I would’ve freaked out and thought something was wrong. 😂
Great information
Great video as usual my nope huddle arrived to Ireland thanks for everything
There is a plug in the side of the gearbox near the top. When adding oil to reservoirs pull the plug until oil just starts to come out those holes. Allen hex head plug with o ring. When oil reaches plug then put plug back in and fill to the proper level in tank/reservoirs. Great video.
Just curious why you did not let all the oil drain out since you replaced with new filters?
Morning Teryl and gang!!
Exelant video thank you!!!
I do like these repair videos .. interesting how they changed from an 'O' ring to the flat rubber gasket. I have to wonder why as the new housing with the pump impeller is a flat surface .. just thought you might get more tension on the O ring .. but hey they had reasons .. maybe the new rubber gasket was thicker ... Have been watching your videos for years now . First time commenting now .. enjoy watching ..thank you . TC Bridgette
You could make a rubber adapter to stick on the reservoir tank to pull a vacuum on the system. Then after an hour come back, & release the vacuum. I do it on hydraulic brakes a lot. Saves me a lot of time.
Works also on automotive power steering to purge the champagne bubbles when you have a slipper pump.
The reservoir entrance hole is about the same diameter.
Apply a vacuum and pull the air up to vent it.
You could get a rubber stopper that big at hardware store when I needed one.
I had to go look at my zero turn with ZT3100 transaxles that I bought new in 2022. Luckily, it came with the upgraded steel charge pump covers from the factory. Thanks for the heads up.
Good one.
The geroter has a witness mark and usually they match for dimensional reasons if you take the old geroter and take your feeler gauge and measure .003 to .005 from lobe tip to tip should be about the gap you should have but usually the gap is pretty close already but yes that is for a dimensional check purposes .
grouse work Taryl Dactal mate love the work on the Transmission work and yep a funny defect with the original part for sure but yeah ever since the upgrade i reckon they did a lovely job for not only occupational health and safety but less complaints and costly repairs in the long for sure all though the Steel Material i find you,d think would last but yeah it does differ on what they are exposed to personally and yep rust on steels is not a good mix from my view but yeah easily replaceable for sure and cheers from Australia 🐨🐑🦘🌴🇦🇺 or the land down under to your area and yep us small engine lovers out there have probably experienced many issues like these ones etc.
Love you guys
any time you want to have that discussion with me no problem enjoy and keep up the good work
I still have one in the driveway. The left hydro was leaking real bad. When I had gone to remove the bolts, I noticed that the bolts were very loose. I purchased the new filters and am going to see if the left one will seal instead of replacing the charge pump cover. The one I am working on is the ZT 2800 on a 2006 model. This one shouldn't have the updated kit being that old. I believe that it started on 2011.
Hey Taryl good morning that machine looks like one of those big box store garbage good video god bless you and the Crew have a Great Day
It's dealer bought. Snapper pro. Same company that makes ferris mowers. Briggs and stratton makes them both.
@@richardspropertymaintenanc5807 thanks for the information God Bless have a great Day
Hello from Mt.Clemens Michigan
Hello my family used to own the Wm. R Hamilton funeral home in Mr Clemmons for 150 years until my cousin ran into the ground.
The Clem! wooo
@@andyhamilton8940 Interesting, still shows as an active business, guess he did a shoddy job burying it.
Thanks dude!!
I think the “mark” they are talking about may need to be stamped ( like with a hammer and punch) into the trans housing. This may be to indicate to future mechanics that the “update” has been completed. The reason I think this, is because I have a 1974 Honda cb360 and when a certain upgrade was done on the engine( such as the upgraded cam chain tensioners) that the mechanic was supposed to punch a small dot next to the engine serial number pad to indicate that the update has been done. Just a thought.
I put paper instructions in a clear protector so in case( you will) it gets dirty you can wipe it right off and be able to save the paper for further repairs or reference.
Hello from Oregon
Nice video!
thank you man
Okay, I've the 3100 Hydro gear as well and Bad boy service manual says the oil filler removed is the oil drain with machine level. I could not find/get the 10-50 "full synthetic" oil locally (Pretty weak support from local dealer). Finally had to settled for 15W-40 regular Dino oil from local Farm & Western Wear Store. I've not experienced the "leak" yet. I've the remote reservoirs and glad to have them for filling! Glad to see some Hydro gear Service Videos.
20w50
Good idea to get the right oil. 20-50 is what you want. Call Napa and order it if they don't have it on the shelf.
Taryl. Thank you 😅
Another fine Taryl video. OH MY BEAUTIFUL PAPER haha ha Cheers from Taxachusetts
Done a few of those. Cap and "O"ring.
Thanks!
Thanks for working on my mower Taryl. Ill be back in business just in time
That's cool, you're the guy.
I dont have one of these machines, but I like to learn about this kind of maintenance. I bet the electric hoist/lift is a welcome back saver.
You caught on that the marks on the pumps indicate which way the georotor is offset. Both transmissions will offset the same way because the input shafts turn the same direction.
I usually remove the vent plugs in order to get the air in the case out and get the oil back in as quickly as possible. The vent plug is located at the top of the side cover or in the top of the main case, depending on which port is not used for the line to the expansion tank.
Love the knife Taryl . Unfortunately we are not allowed to carry them in UK only in home or workplace
Verah nice on the Taryl Torque elbow
Another one repaired and down the road.
I would love to see a repair/rebuild on a k62 tuff torq, theres so many k46 videos but really tough to find any on k62s.
My ZTR has the 3400s, and they're new enough that this upgrade doesn't apply, but it was still interesting to see where the charge pumps are, and how to replace them.
If you look closely at the center of the cover while installed, you can see the offset center area that indicates the offcentered pump cavity. Just match the offset to install properly. No indicator needed. In this case the pump cavity is set to the left. Align the new one with the cavity set to the left as well.
Nice one Taryl mate
There's a Allen plug on the side or the very top usually around the vent stand pipe or the filler tube fitting take that out and fill to full then install and fill reservoir to full cold mark, takes a bit of effort but still eliminates the time took purging all that trapped air.
The dimple on the star gear is for lubrication.
1:15 I always save that paper as it makes good masking paper for painting (lay paper down, put the part on it, paint it), a drop cloth or whatever. Only been crumpled up once!
Dino the Dinosaur:
At the 1964 Worlds Fair in New York City, Sinclair had a booth where you could get a plastic injection molded green dinosaur while you watched the process.
Plastic injection molding was new and innovative back then and as an eleven year old, was totally fascinated.
I remember. 😊
My wife remembers it, too. Plastics back then aren’t what they are today. They left the dinosaur on the rear package shelf of their ‘57 Plymouth all summer and it distorted into an unrecognizable blob.
yes taryl you have great videos and you explain yourself very well even with your horse teeth hahaha glad your there learned alot from you some things i knew all ready but every body has there trick that you can learn from,
When i do hydro gear oil changes i never start them till they are full.
I always go on top of the unit and unscrew the vent- oil drains down in 3-5 min as you fill- jus have to plug it quickly cause she fills kinda quick. Once full then start and they wake up and work everytime for me.
Before i knew about the bleeders i struggled heavy trying to get the oil to go down the tubes.
Am guessing with the off-center in the cover if you installed the "wrong" way that transmission will run backwards. That the marks on left and right are on different sides so the transmission runs the correct direction.
Hey what would your zero turn mower choice be for 6 acres of grass including lots of uneven terrain, bumps and ditches too?
At the top is a trans is a plug you take out to add oil then top it off on the top after it warms up. The way you doing it takes forever....lol If you had the manual you would have found it Taryl. Oh the drive belt is lots of fun. You will find out.
I have a Craftsman rider it made in the commercial brand lawn tractor, no external filter I think it is internal filter it a torque hydro rear and I was going to change oil and filter but not sure if I should ?
Fire it up, fire it up, fire it up
That newsprint was the good news of the day - That's right there isn't any. Haha.
When I changed my hydro oil it took forever for the air to bubble out. It's been a few years, my manual says to change it every 400 hours which takes a long time to get to.
I got a hustler 54 with non serviceable no drain plug on the hydrostatic bu i have a fill plug no filter should i suck it out and add back what i pulled out meaning the fluid.
I have a similar problem I changed the heater core on my Fox Body and now how do I get the air out of the system...love that car.
Raise front of car a bit higher than rear, heater control to "heat", radiator cap off, funnel in neck of radiator, fill funnel with water, start engine and let it idle...keep funnel 3/4 full...idle until no more bubbles....it may take up to an hour. You're done.
Huge thanks I will do that!!
Have the same mower do you have a video of rebuilding the transmission
Just wondering how many hours on the mower? My badboy elite has zt3100 hydros so I’ll probably be doing my taryl impression sometime soon.
330 hours I believe but it's been leaking for a 2 years this last year was leaking alot. It's my mower in the video
Hello
Ha ha Red Snapper good one Taryl! 😂
Did you see the cold war motors video from yesterday and the starter motor being used as a hydraulic pump for the power windows on the Olds 98? Brake fluid as the hydraulic fluid?
Yeah, they got the motor running, I want to see if the pump still works. Bet it does. They aren't going to use brake fluid, they said it doesn't like water. Transmission fluid would work.
@@blowupbob1 I thought I heard Scott say it originally ran on brake fluid. I assume probably any reasonably close fluid will work.
@@blowupbob1 Brake fluid absorbs moisture from air...just like ethanol.
If you watch the manufacturer video, they tell you to pull the vent plug. Top off the drives until oil comes out of them put the vent plugs back in. Then flipped the levers to the bypass and then hold your bars forward for a minute and then backwards for a minute and do that six times and then put the bypass off and it should be ok if you need to do that procedure again
Amazing man you funny 😁
12:18 terrell I would’ve definitely dropped the rotor and stator in some oil or at least push some clean oil onto it and on the surface before assembling it, so no thumbs up for you this time my friend, you should know better than that! It really will not see any oil until it is been spinning in but that time we already have where taking place due to it being dry because even though, when you fill it, it’s not going to fill the cavity of the rotor until after it gets spinning!
There is an air bleed on the trans, makes purging faster
Can you do a video on the EZT hydro gear transmissions
A red Snapper
Prolly close to a Pink taco. 😀😀😀
13:33 the square end of the new cover is facing to the outside of the tractor on the driver side, but when you put the next one on that is the passengers side of a car, the new covers square end is also facing to the driverside of the mower, which i find odd since the pump casing appears to be polar opposite, would not that square end also have to be facing outside of the tractor on the passenger side as well? 19:35 both square ends are facing the same direction drivers side left.
Those are also notorious for leaking around brake shafts. Hydro gear has a kit for that to.
I'm sure the electric zero turn mowers will be out soon
Ryobi already has one. Our local Homeless Despot has them….
I want to make something cool and useful and send it over from here in Australia.
The old pump caps will warp , and cause the leak. That’s why the company changed to steel caps. Lay a straight edge on the old cap, (cover) . Ull see daylight in the center of cap, causing the leak.
there is a vent plug on the side to get all the air out of it. the way you did it is a good way to tear up the hydro unit. but each to his own.
Hello Taryl
I'm not really a major Grass Rat. I would LOVE to change out transmission oil on my Artic 2012 tdi Jetta. That would blow my skirt or kilt up, really! lol Makers mark. teh, hehehe 🍺 you always have me laughing Taryl.
Is hydrologic oil different?
If you don't have pine needles on your drain pan you ain't no real Rat