The Sound Couple-"Total Performance"
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2023
- The Sound Couple is back to a familiar bar with a familiar band to come together and put on another great show!
In making this video, a concept popped to us that sums up what we all should strive for in our shows....and that concept we call is "Total Performance".
So, what is Total Performance? Total Performance is the sum of good input + good output....It is looking at the big picture and not just the pieces. It's awareness, practice, gear, show, listening, production.. and on and on.
We are each responsible for Total Performance and to be aware of their parts in what's important to our show....With everyone contributing with their best good input +good output, the best show possible is created for your Total Performance....this video is a demonstration of just that!
The Sound Couple primarily use PreSonus gear featuring:
PreSonus UC Surface
PreSonus CDL12
PreSonus CDL18s
PreSonus 32R
PreSonus SW5E
PreSonus NSB Stageboxes
PreSonus AVB-D16
Good to hear you play good Australian talent WOLFMOTHER!!🤘🤘🤘💪💪💯
Funny...you are at least the second viewer that noticed!
Thanks, very much, for sharing a stunning example of a production company’s philosophy of “Total Performance,” with lots of tips throughout the load-in, set-up, mixing, and load-out. We appreciate The Sound Couple to the max!
Thank you Dean! And thank you for your input to encourage us to let the cameras roll...we were contemplating whether or not to do another video at this location and we are glad we did!
Y'all have the best small band setup I've ever seen!! That's probably why it sounded and looked so danged impressive!! Props to y'all!!!
Thank you...very kind words!
Great sound! Great band! Congratulations for this fantastic job. 🎉🇧🇷
Thank you!
I hate the load-in/load-out of any gig! But, for some reason, I find this video calming…
Thanks! We find that this place is one of the easier load ins by far!
During soundcheck, when everything is sounding pretty good and cohesive, a lot of people would be tempted to stand back and admire it, but that is the moment I start making fine adjustments - EQ, reverb, compression, seeking clarity, presence, and naturalness, to get as close to a 'live album' sound as possible in the space. I want people to have a memorable experience they will treasure for the rest of their lives. When I run sound in my church, I want the sound people hear from our band to be an expression of the glory of God, just as our band plays and our singers sing so that their performance will be an expression to the audience of God's glory.
Agree with you in principle, but with the type of gigs we do, our approach is a bit different. Sound check's main priority is to make sure the band is comfortable on stage...and then paint broader strokes with FOH ensuring we are mitigating trouble spots both on stage and mains. With all of that addressed, we can then focus on the details during the show with the bodies and energy that a performance brings...both of which can't be replicated during a sound check and will change anyway when the show starts.
Look at Stacy dancing, how cool.
Caught in the action!
Anyone that got the chance to meet these two are lucky!! i’d love to meet them but would probably be talking to them about sound and light for hours 😂
That's very nice of you to say! We just supported a gig for a band that saw us on UA-cam last weekend.....they were local to us but it was neat to be able to connect through our channel. We have also been recognized a couple times out at gigs....so guess the word is getting out??
@@thesoundcouple Word is most certainly getting out. I'm an admin for a couple of Sound and Lighting groups on Facebook. Every so often people ask about the PreSonus speakers, and on every occasion someone will mention your channel in the responses...that's if I don't get there first! :D In all seriousness, it would be awesome to cross paths with you both. I'm based in South East England, so I guess crossing paths on a gig is unlikely, but who knows. If ever you are over this side of the pond, give me a shout!
Great video!!! Those Double CDL12's sound killer even over the internet! Old dude in turquoise shirt is rocking at 22:55 !!!
We can only hope to be that active someday! We like our CDL's!
Another great video, as a sound guy in Florida I really enjoy you're videos.
Thank you Dave...appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
So glad to see you guys be a min since your last video
It's good to get another one out!
Amazing video as usual!
Appreciate that...thanks!
Maneiro pacas 🇧🇷👏👏👏
Obrigado!
Thanks folks for the video; I remember the venue.
It's one of our favorites!
What a great band. Sound so tight.
They are!
Great work.....👍
Thanks ✌️
You two are so cool🤟😍
We try! Thank you!
Great episode!
Thanks Michael!
As always great video. Sweetwater has these
Truetone ACY-US Courtesy Plug IEC Cable
This is a good solution to your front lights not having a power output. Keep up the great work. Amazon May have a cheaper option though.
Chauvet is switching to the Apple approach...another adapter!! Joking aside, thanks for sharing this solution.
Fully agree with your concept. It makes for a far better show when everyone focuses on what they need to. I work a lot of mufti-band/multi-act shows, which means lots of changeovers of course, but it also means over the course of time I get to develop what I am doing, but also to see other people develop. One lady in particular has just turned 20, I have mixed for her dozens of times over the last couple of years, and she's gone from being a very nervous performer to one of the most confident and competent singer/songwriters I have ever worked with. I've also become better at what I do because of her. I don't think there is a secret sauce as such; I strive to do my best every time, and keep on learning.
Regarding the power throughputs on lights; that's a deal breaker for me too. I had a load of moving heads until very recently; I got rid of them for a couple of reasons, the main one being the fact they weren't powerful enough for my needs, but the second item on the list was the lack of a power passthru... rigging them was very time consuming and also very untidy at times, especially as they were never rigged the same way twice. I have more IEC splitters, and IEC cables of various lengths than I know what to do with... The saving grace now I don't have those movers is the fact I can leave two trunks of cables at home.
Edit: On the topic of truss, it is a major pain in the ass if it's much more than a run of truss with crank stands. If you can get by without it, get by without it. It takes ages to build, ages to strike, and it takes up a huge amount of space. I worked a festival this year where the company I was working with decided to run trussing; we ended up with three cargo vans full of gear, a trailer stage and two full box trailers which contained trussing and stage decks. We had a 1 day build, 1 show day and most of the third day we struck the stages and moved it all out. For 6 people that was three non-stop days.
Thanks for sharing Johnny and for validating some of our thoughts. The comments on our channel are gold!
Yess.. finally i got the vdeo from your side.. from your eyes view along the show.. nice action cam.. feels like i’m in the show as a sound engineer.. best video.. sorry my bad english.. i’m from malaysia.. i also incharge pa system for music event in malaysia..
Thanks! It's good to know that we are accomplishing that feeling of being right there with us! Your English is just fine.
Nice work!
Thanks Stephen!
Just discovered your channel and have to tell you how much I enjoyed watching this video. I was exactly you from the mid 70s until around 1985 in Sydney with a successful small sound and lighting company in what was the golden age of Aussie live music. Hundreds of pubs and clubs putting on live music almost every night of the week. I absolutely must compliment you on your professionalism something my wife and I took great pride in during a time when it wasn't the norm. We ran what we called a double four way. stereo out front with 6,000 watts, 2,000 watts of monitors and 100 cans of lights on very heavy old fashioned trusses. I would reckon that our subs weighed more than your entire speaker system lol. Oh and everything was alalog of course. We sold up when our son was born. Now in south Florida playing trio gigs mixed on a ui16 with the Mixing Station app and in a Praise Band with an x32 that could desperately use your expertise to sort it out. Look forward to watching more of your escapades.
Thank you Paul! There is no doubt that modern gear has allowed us to keep going with this. We sold off all of our amp racks, dual 18's subs, road cases and analog consoles over the past years. We receive some comments on how we move some of our current gear and it's too heavy...it's all relative as you there was a day when all of the gear wasn't heavy, all of it was really heavy! OMG some of the analog consoles that bands hauled around...big as grand piano! Appreciate your comments!
@@thesoundcouple I was pretty sure you were working during those days. We did 90% of our shows with three people. Me, my wife who ran the lights and Pete the monitors guy. Sue took it as a matter of pride that she could lift the subs or boats as we called them. Especially in the very macho Aussie scene. We also worked on Cher’s 1982 tour but that’s a story for another time.
Saludos desde Cuba 🇨🇺
¡Bienvenido! ¡Gracias por ver!
Missed you Guys 😢
Thanks! Our gig schedule has been pretty non-stop, which competes for our time to work on videos. We have lots to share with you all...stay tuned!
it feels like ages since the last video, but as usual am enjoying watching
We appreciate your patience....hopefully worth the wait!
@@thesoundcouple always
Loved the new dual-stacked lights at the back - very effective. We offered truss mounted lights and it was a lot of work for little gain over your new setup which had that big stage look. The thing with lighting is that it can become very expensive (and bulky) very quickly when you do more than you are offering.
Great job as always.
Thanks Alastair...you nailed it. There are ways you can streamline trussing, but it adds a lot of complexity, additional space and time...and then you need the stage that can support it. From a business perspective, we just can't justify it....+ Stacy will quit. What we did here I think was huge bang for just a bit more effort. Appreciate you recognizing that and understanding our position.
I just want to add that there are different styles of trussing....there is light duty trussing that some bands and DJ's use that is portable and "easy" to set up....for us, that would not be the look we are going for...so we would either be all in or nothing.
We started with some ADJ ‘light bridge one’ truss which was lightweight and relatively easy to move but always looked a bit rubbish. The advantage was that we could use a thick drape as a stage backdrop.
We moved to F34 Global truss with large jack stands which was great to use but took ages to set up, cable and hang the lights - it also meant we always had to take the trailer and the truss took up loads of storage space when not in use. I loved doing those larger gigs (the stage and lighting effect looked great) but they were so much more work to set up and they didn’t really pay a lot more than the smaller band gigs did. Best to keep it simple.
Another wonderful video.
I just did a quick Google search and found several Y adapters for the power input that would give you an output. Sub $20. I'm sure Amazon has options, too. Seems like a simple fix, but just another thing to buy. Thanks Chauvet. 🙄
Yes, they don't need to become another Apple...thanks for the tip!
You ever think about getting the air assist stands from Ultimate Support? I have the regular sized and the extra tall ones. They made lifting things SO much easier.
We have them for our long speaker stands...I believe they are made by Gator.
I just started working with bands that are all in-ears. I set up my front of house and they set up all their gear and hand me tails from their split snake. If all bands did this, it would add an extra 20 years to my "sound" career. 🙂Great video. I look forward to the next one. (your channel is my first "go to" when i go on youtube. I started binge watching your old videos) dont mind my account name and content. its my sons account lol
Thank you for watching past videos...they all contain relevant information. We have been supporting more and more in-ear systems this year and our ability to offer it as a solution keeps growing...in our opinion, it's a win, win, win situation for the band, us, and the event.
Love the videos. Got me looking into the CDL12. You guys should check out the wolfmix wmx controller smaller and easier. With tone of Features.
There has been a few suggestions on the Wolfmix...so thanks! Good luck on your speaker search!
I do everything with truss for the lighting.
It definitely can elevate the appearance of a stage!
Awesome video 🔥🔥🔥
Also that road had a lotta bumps😂 for those pins put a little lube on them & slide them in & out the pin holes a couple times to make it easier for the next setup & break down
Thanks for the tip. Oddly enough we do carry a can of WD40 with us for that reason!
@@thesoundcouple you're welcome, I'm loving your channel by the way. Gonna make me trade my Behringer in for a presonus
Oh Oh - please don't come back to us with any regrets! LOL! @@ZDawg.Official
@@thesoundcouple 😂 no promises
In reference to the lack of powe out on light fixtures, you're looking for an iec piggyback. Hosa makes them and I'm sure there's cheaper ones out there too.
Thanks - feels like more and more things require an adapter!!
I had no idea these things existed! Thanks!
@@thesoundcouple I hear you...but as someone who still uses passive speakers with a stack of class D Crown Amps...I've been using these things in my amp racks for years.
@@michaelmiami You're welcome!
i got the same speakers but they clip a lot , how can i avoid that ?
Compared to other cabinets we have used, they do seem to clip sooner. I don't want to say we ignore it, but we look at it as they are approaching our limit. The clip light is going to come on. In our three years of using the cabinets, they are holding up fine.
Love the videos. Question: Obviously you control the vocal fx from your system. Since you do control them, do they give you an idea of what they want or do they just trust you enough to use your best judgment?
Good question...we are provided full control of FX. In fact, it rarely comes up with any band we work with...Not sure why it doesn't come up more often.
@@thesoundcoupleI think I spotted you using tap tempo at one point on the lead vocalist.
Gotta use if if you got it!@@makingmusiconline2309
Hi...Do you have a separate Presonus mixer for the In Ear monitor for them or are you sharing the FOH mixer's mixes with them?
They have their own mixer for Ears...We did a little overview in this video: ua-cam.com/video/6eVskODfGJs/v-deo.htmlsi=iJrpXjXDgAdwST4U
What kind of stand do you use? I have had a problem of my speaker blowing over with the wind during 2 outdoor events. I am looking for a good sturdy stand.
We use Ultimate stands TeleLock series. We are really happy with them. As a suggestion, you could place sandbags over the support braces to help sturdy the stand.
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How do you decide if you should use the sub stack and an additional set of line arrays verse using 2 subs and 2 tops?
That's a good question and there really isn't a simple answer. It depends on:
- Budget
- Room and space
- Type of event
- Looks
- Band
But most importantly for us, we don't want to abuse our gear by over working it...so if there is a chance for that, we will error on bringing in more.
Knowing your system is important and with that and understanding the event, we do get it right most of the time....it kind of sucks when we don't. I think we have brought in more gear mid show if we just really missed the mark.
Hope this helps!
When did you blackour the van interior? Looks good. What did you use for it?
It's been that way since the beginning. A conversion vehicle place did the work when we first purchased the van. It's been holding up extremely well over the years.
@@thesoundcouple I guess I never noticed!!! What did they install? Is it insulated?
It's not insulated, but it's fabric adhered to some sort of light board. Guessing it's material that they use for van conversions. They used screws to affix it to the shell of the vehicle. @@theflyingalamo
29:07 When recording a live set, how do you deal with all the external sounds in the room that bleed into the mics (general crowd noise, stage noise, etc)? Are you just recording raw audio at the event, then tweaking it later?
Also: Does the band hire you (in this case Rhino) or the venue? I would assume that it varies, especially if you have a good relationship with a band.
Mic bleed is just an artifact that is reality and it's part of the recording that hopefully can be managed. That said, we CAN get better recordings with this band with less effort because of the in-ear/no amp setup that assists in minimizing bleed. In fact, you could argue that too much of the live element was removed from these recordings. The point here was just to demonstrate that with the right circumstances (good input + good output), it's easier for us to achieve good outcomes with the live mix or recording. We would put more effort in the live performance needs for mixing (overheads, etc.) and mix down if it was part of our engagement ...we were just having fun and practicing here. Most of the gigs we do are working for the band.
@thesoundcouple I thought it was a good recording, but I was curious about what, if any, bleed you have to manage.
Thank you 😊
This is a LOT of gear and work for a bar gig. Hope you’re paid well. If the band didnt get a minimum of 1500 for this, I dont see how everyone makes money. Looks like everyone did a great job.
Not knowing exactly how much they got, I would expect they made at least 3-4k USD for this gig, band probably made 2-3k to split between them.
@@mitas3484 Most bars pay maybe 1/4 of that, and this looks like a typical bar. For the # of people in this video, the bar would be in trouble if they were paying that kind of money.
@@joeydego2 just seen DJs get paid 2-3k for a night? Maybe it’s way off 😂
@@mitas3484DJing is a different world. Not saying bands can’t make this kind of money, but it’s just not the norm for a bar. Maybe a BIG bar, which would be a club of a capacity of several hundred at least. Those places tend to have house lights and sound, too.
5:42 In a room like that I would think that 4 subs and 4 line array speakers would be overkill. Or does it actually work effectively and only has the appearance of overkill?
It is overkill, but we do it because and the system sounds good even at a low idle. We don't blow the walls down.
@@thesoundcouple You don't blow the walls down? Easy: just turn it to 11 😀
Just out of curiosity, what does one pay in US dollars for a setup like this for an evening? What does the sound & light with setup cost for a gig like this? Just wondering what the rates and prices in the US are, I am from Europe doing sound like this as a hobby in the weekends.
We don't charge full pricing for club dates. We consider these more as filler gigs that keep us working and keep the momentum going with our good clients.
I’m in production, at a venue, however I’ve really been thinking about doing a small production company like this.. what is the price for this package you bring out with the lighting included?
We really shouldn't share our pricing on a public forum. Please reach out via e-mail and we can share some general pricing guidelines. Thanks!
I would like to know what lighting controller do you use together with the apps. Thank you 😊
It's the clubs new board. It's called a Sunny 512.
@@thesoundcouple is there an apps you use to control the lighting? Because i saw stacey controlling the lighting from the tablet 😅
Ahhh…got it. For our lighting system we use Luminair to control our lights. We commented on the wrong video…sorry about that!
@@thesoundcouple Thank you so much for the info, maybe for next video appreciate if you guys can show more on the apps setup to control the lighting. Thanks 😅
We have that on our list of topic videos@@wiGscoRp
Quick question for you, do you have issues with iPhones connecting to the mixer through QC mix. I cannot get mine to connect even though the iPads and computer connect all the time.
Our experience with the iPhones has been a good one. Is it possible that your router's DHCP server is not scoped for enough IP's? Will the phones connect when the other devices aren't on the network?
@@thesoundcouple It doesn't show the mixer at all when connected to the router
@@prodigy2music You need to confirm that the phones are connected and on the same network. Make sure they have an IP address in the same subnet as the mixer. From what you are describing, this is likely a network issue at this point.
@@thesoundcouple thanks for your time. I’ll do some more digging
@@prodigy2music If you are not subscribed to any of the PreSonus Facebook groups, would highly suggest you look into that!
I think sir you need to consider having crowd mice to make it more natural sounding in recording❤
For sure! Our goal here was to demonstrate that simple can be effective if you have a good foundation.
Four subs and four tops for a room with less then 250 people is not "simple" to me. I understand this is your normal set up that works well for you , not me.
Choosing how much and what gear to use is always a judgement call that contains several factors....from budgets to looks.
@@thesoundcouple The venue size always dictates the FOH size for me.