Fully assembled comes in at around 2400, while the next closest 2.5in coilover set is $3200. 2.0 coilovers are running $1800 a set, Incredible value on these 6112 shocks
I have the Hoss 2.0 shocks (SAS) and want to swap them out for the 6112's. I have a Icon 3 inch spacer lift with Icon upper Tube control arms +JKS max tire clearance kit. I'm running 37x13.50R20 BFG MT on Fuel 20x9.0 +1 offset. Can I keep the 3 inch spacer lift and still run these? Are any drawback to this such as losing travel and whatnot? If this is an option for me do you have approximate pricing? My current measurements ground to the middle of the finders is F: 42.45 B: 43.5. I'm a serious buyer, please reach back shock surplus!
The most economical route (less than a grand) would be the 6100s (on sale for ~ $799) + Sasquatch spring takeoffs (purchased used with low miles ~ $100 for the set) + self installation! You could literally have a great coilover set installed for the price that some people are paying for installation alone!
Can you do a review of the ride quality between the two set ups? What is the difference in spring rate between the 6112 and the HOSS 2.0 springs from the Sasquatch?
Spring rates are essentially the same as stock, the Bilstein springs are just a hair longer. We will definitely throw both options on, however we really doubt there will be much difference in overall ride quality and performance between a 6100 on stock springs and a complete 6112.
What do you think about a set of Eibach Pro Lift Springs on a set of 6100s? I was thinking they would be able to be set on a lower clip setting, adding lift but still keeping a more compliant ride.
No, he's just talking about spring rate. The shock itself gives you ride improvement based on all the other comments (still waiting for the dobinsons IMS review for mine!)
I was looking into the 6112 for my non Sasquatch badlands, but I was talking to another guy with the same bronco as mine and he only got an extra 1.25” out of the front, instead of the 3” as stated in chart. What type of numbers are you guys getting with these? (My truck is a 2.7 4 door Badlands with steel bumper and full vehicle bash plates).
They're up for install next, haven't put them on yet. We have very little reason to doubt bilsteins numbers though after countless installs and fitments across our own rigs
Going to get either a set of 6100's (I have non SAS Badlands) or the 6112's. I'm not sure which to go with, however. From the Bronco6G forums there are a few people that say they aren't getting the heights that Bilstein is listing for the 6100's which makes me question the 6112 heights. Can you get us the actual heights for each perch number using both the HOSS 2.0 and Bilstein springs? WHAT SAY YOU, SS?!?!
I was at SEMA and there was some talk about Bilstein coming out with coilovers for the Bronco with remote reservoirs. Have you heard anything from Bilstein?
Sure you probably mean the 8112s. Last we heard was they had mostly completed testing and had them mostly production ready and they went back to do just a little more development to optimize them a little further. We haven't heard anything concrete in terms of release date, but if I had to take a guess I would bet we will at least see part numbers during the first half of 2024
@@ShockSurplusthanks, I think that is the number I had heard. Have you heard any specifics as far as travel or what the ride heights will be on the Bronco?
Nothing specific yet other than that they will definitely be longer than 5100s and 6100/6112s. Their internal jounce stops do usually mean they have to be a little longer to keep them out of the bottom out zone. If we had to guess they will probably end up at around 1.5-2.5 over Sasquatch
If you're planning to run these to improve ride quality on the factory 35s and not really go for a lift, do you still think UCAs are necessary for proper alignment?
Nope, these are really close in travel to the stock Bilstein ESCVs on the Sasquatch and Bandlands models so they do not need a UCA from that perspective, and since you are keeping it stock height alignment is a non issue as well. That said if you had a two door without the factory Bilsteins and you run a 6112 up front, you will not be able to run any less than 3.6" of lift which will absolutely need an aftermarket UCA for alignment.
@@ShockSurplus I'm in a 4-door Badlands with a winch on the front. I'm willing to drop a little extra $$ on the 6100 series when the time comes vs the 5100 so that i can have a little bit preload and height adjustment. If i add any ride height it will be minimal.
So I’ve got a 2023 Badlands Sasquatch 2 door. I just got the 6100s front and rear for it and want to keep the Sasquatch springs. If I swap out the shock and have it adjusted to the minimum lift setting will I need aftermarket control arms?
Nope! The only reason you would need UCAs with the 6100s or 6112s is if you exceed 1.5" of lift over stock Sasquatch height, 2" over normal Badlands height, or 2.5" over stock non Sas height. The reason why we mention some models will not get away without one is that the 2 Doors without the Badlands or Sasquatch package get 3.6" of lift in the front when using the 6112s at the lowest setting since they are so much lighter. If you have a Sasquatch 2 door you could pretty much go to the top setting and just get away with using the stock arms.
@@ShockSurplusI had another quick question if you don’t mind: I’m looking to add an additional 1 in lift ontop of the lift I’m going to get out of the 6100s with Sasquatch springs. Do you know of any compatible lift kits that will work? I know it’s a bit of nice question.
Why is the lift on a two door almost twice the lift as a four door for the 6112. It doesnt make sense to me. Same vehicle and almost the same weight up front. This is what is stopping me from buying 6112's. Are those numbers right?
Yup the two door non Sasquatch models run a very soft spring from the factory so there really is no way to get any less than 3.6" of lift in the front and 2" in the rear
The springs are the same, the main difference is circlip location and especially tuning for the rear. They had a heck of a time getting the rear suspension on the 4 doors to work how they wanted so they ended up having to do a lot of tricky tuning on those parts to get it to actually work.
Thank you for the info! You are the only one that has been able to answer. I guess I will go the 6100 route with sas springs for my two door unless you would recommend something else.
That is not a bad option, and definitely something a lot of our customers have considered. I do think the Icon 2.5 EXP might be a better value proposition since they can use the standard HOSS 1.0 coils. Those coils are much longer and softer than what the Sasquatch gets so I would not be surprised if the combo would be a little more plush
So I am still very confused. I have a 2 door non SAS Big Bend and want to use the 6112's. Based on the video, if I install them on the #1 setting, I get 3.6" of lift from stock. If you install in on a non SAS Badlands you get 2" of lift from stock, if you install them on SAS you get .6" of lift from stock. But at the end of the day, if you set all 3, side by side after installing the 6112's, and assuming they all had the same tire, wouldn't they all be the same height. If thats the case, and knowing the upper control arm on a SAS is no different than a non SAS, why would I need to change the upper control arm but a guy with SAS can go another inch before they are required to change it. Like I said, I'm still confused.
The big difference is spring rate and the difference in weight. The spring used on the 6112s is much stiffer than what is used on the two door non Sasquatch models which are lighter than everything else, so no matter what you see a much greater ride height gain. So although stock to stock, the Sasquatch only sits about an inch taller than a Non Sas, the change in ride height is greater because the jump in spring rate. That 3.6" would be the same as 2.5" on a Sasquatch model, which either way you swing it, will pretty much require an aftermarket UCA to get aligned back within spec.
@@ShockSurplus So the let's use mine as example, my big bend model with a 2.3 and a manual transmission using the exact same springs will set higher on the #1 setting than an a Big Bend, 2.3 and manual transmission Sasquatch on the #1 setting.
Sorry, I could have definitely explained that better. A Non Sas Big Bend 2 door with a 2.3 and 7 speed is about 4300 lbs and a Sasquatch is 4500 lbs, with most of that extra 200 lbs sitting over the front end. Since the Sasquatch models are heavier they run a stiffer spring as standard. The 6112 spring is pretty much the same rate as a stock Sasquatch spring, so since the spring is stiffer, the suspension does not compress as much on the lighter Non Sas models. Therefore you see much more lift from a non Sasquatch than the 1.1" variance you see from the factory, since your Bronco is significantly lighter. It is not necessarily a bad thing though, as if you plan on adding a bumper and winch, you have plenty of spring and tons of adjustment to offset that weight. Don't quote me on it, but these should actually be going on next so keep an eye out for that review in the next few months.
These use the factory bump stops, so I am sure we could figure out a solution however I think the best option for these would be a top hat spacer. These are basically the same length as the stock Bilstein ESCV coilovers, so you can get away with around a 1" lift top hat spacer on the front and rear without overextending anything. Since the bumpstop is on the shaft, you are effectively spacing out your bump stops by the same amount, just instead of limiting bump travel, you are adding lift.
@@ShockSurplus so if I wanted to let’s say go 3 inches of lift, just set the suspension to let’s say setting 4 on front and rear and then add the 1” spacer on top ? Sorry , I’m looking to buy this set up but I want to do 37’s the correct way! Thanks again and love all the videos you guys put out!
We recommend it for sure. Particularly if it is a Badlands, Wildtrak, or Sasquatch equipped model that already sits up higher from the factory. I am sure some people have gotten away with it, but in our experience you really should be upgrading so you can actually get it aligned back in spec. The Eibachs also cycle a fair bit of travel in the front, so upgrading the arm will prevent ball joint bind and guarantee you get every inch of wheel travel you paid for.
Fully assembled comes in at around 2400, while the next closest 2.5in coilover set is $3200. 2.0 coilovers are running $1800 a set, Incredible value on these 6112 shocks
I have the Hoss 2.0 shocks (SAS) and want to swap them out for the 6112's. I have a Icon 3 inch spacer lift with Icon upper Tube control arms +JKS max tire clearance kit. I'm running 37x13.50R20 BFG MT on Fuel 20x9.0 +1 offset. Can I keep the 3 inch spacer lift and still run these? Are any drawback to this such as losing travel and whatnot? If this is an option for me do you have approximate pricing? My current measurements ground to the middle of the finders is F: 42.45 B: 43.5. I'm a serious buyer, please reach back shock surplus!
The most economical route (less than a grand) would be the 6100s (on sale for ~ $799) + Sasquatch spring takeoffs (purchased used with low miles ~ $100 for the set) + self installation!
You could literally have a great coilover set installed for the price that some people are paying for installation alone!
Yes! Finally! Cannot wait for the review! Can guarantee a purchase!
Can you do a review of the ride quality between the two set ups? What is the difference in spring rate between the 6112 and the HOSS 2.0 springs from the Sasquatch?
Spring rates are essentially the same as stock, the Bilstein springs are just a hair longer. We will definitely throw both options on, however we really doubt there will be much difference in overall ride quality and performance between a 6100 on stock springs and a complete 6112.
What do you think about a set of Eibach Pro Lift Springs on a set of 6100s? I was thinking they would be able to be set on a lower clip setting, adding lift but still keeping a more compliant ride.
I have a 2024 Badlands Sasquatch 4 door. How much lift should i see front and rear from 6100's at the highest clip?
Just to clarify your answer above. You’re saying there will be no ride improvement between stock setup (hoss 2.0) and 6100’s?
No, he's just talking about spring rate. The shock itself gives you ride improvement based on all the other comments (still waiting for the dobinsons IMS review for mine!)
I was looking into the 6112 for my non Sasquatch badlands, but I was talking to another guy with the same bronco as mine and he only got an extra 1.25” out of the front, instead of the 3” as stated in chart. What type of numbers are you guys getting with these? (My truck is a 2.7 4 door Badlands with steel bumper and full vehicle bash plates).
They're up for install next, haven't put them on yet. We have very little reason to doubt bilsteins numbers though after countless installs and fitments across our own rigs
Going to get either a set of 6100's (I have non SAS Badlands) or the 6112's. I'm not sure which to go with, however. From the Bronco6G forums there are a few people that say they aren't getting the heights that Bilstein is listing for the 6100's which makes me question the 6112 heights. Can you get us the actual heights for each perch number using both the HOSS 2.0 and Bilstein springs? WHAT SAY YOU, SS?!?!
In our testing Bilsteins lift height settings are pretty dead on for both so whichever one aligns best with your lift goals will be the one to go with
I was at SEMA and there was some talk about Bilstein coming out with coilovers for the Bronco with remote reservoirs. Have you heard anything from Bilstein?
Sure you probably mean the 8112s. Last we heard was they had mostly completed testing and had them mostly production ready and they went back to do just a little more development to optimize them a little further. We haven't heard anything concrete in terms of release date, but if I had to take a guess I would bet we will at least see part numbers during the first half of 2024
@@ShockSurplusthanks, I think that is the number I had heard. Have you heard any specifics as far as travel or what the ride heights will be on the Bronco?
Nothing specific yet other than that they will definitely be longer than 5100s and 6100/6112s. Their internal jounce stops do usually mean they have to be a little longer to keep them out of the bottom out zone. If we had to guess they will probably end up at around 1.5-2.5 over Sasquatch
If you're planning to run these to improve ride quality on the factory 35s and not really go for a lift, do you still think UCAs are necessary for proper alignment?
Nope, these are really close in travel to the stock Bilstein ESCVs on the Sasquatch and Bandlands models so they do not need a UCA from that perspective, and since you are keeping it stock height alignment is a non issue as well. That said if you had a two door without the factory Bilsteins and you run a 6112 up front, you will not be able to run any less than 3.6" of lift which will absolutely need an aftermarket UCA for alignment.
@@ShockSurplus I'm in a 4-door Badlands with a winch on the front. I'm willing to drop a little extra $$ on the 6100 series when the time comes vs the 5100 so that i can have a little bit preload and height adjustment. If i add any ride height it will be minimal.
So I’ve got a 2023 Badlands Sasquatch 2 door. I just got the 6100s front and rear for it and want to keep the Sasquatch springs. If I swap out the shock and have it adjusted to the minimum lift setting will I need aftermarket control arms?
Nope! The only reason you would need UCAs with the 6100s or 6112s is if you exceed 1.5" of lift over stock Sasquatch height, 2" over normal Badlands height, or 2.5" over stock non Sas height. The reason why we mention some models will not get away without one is that the 2 Doors without the Badlands or Sasquatch package get 3.6" of lift in the front when using the 6112s at the lowest setting since they are so much lighter. If you have a Sasquatch 2 door you could pretty much go to the top setting and just get away with using the stock arms.
@@ShockSurplus ah thank you so much for the information! That’s super helpful!
@@ShockSurplusI had another quick question if you don’t mind: I’m looking to add an additional 1 in lift ontop of the lift I’m going to get out of the 6100s with Sasquatch springs. Do you know of any compatible lift kits that will work?
I know it’s a bit of nice question.
Why is the lift on a two door almost twice the lift as a four door for the 6112. It doesnt make sense to me. Same vehicle and almost the same weight up front. This is what is stopping me from buying 6112's. Are those numbers right?
Yup the two door non Sasquatch models run a very soft spring from the factory so there really is no way to get any less than 3.6" of lift in the front and 2" in the rear
Thanks! It looks like there is a set of 6112's for the two door and a seperate kit for the 4 doors. Are they different springs?
The springs are the same, the main difference is circlip location and especially tuning for the rear. They had a heck of a time getting the rear suspension on the 4 doors to work how they wanted so they ended up having to do a lot of tricky tuning on those parts to get it to actually work.
Thank you for the info! You are the only one that has been able to answer. I guess I will go the 6100 route with sas springs for my two door unless you would recommend something else.
That is not a bad option, and definitely something a lot of our customers have considered. I do think the Icon 2.5 EXP might be a better value proposition since they can use the standard HOSS 1.0 coils. Those coils are much longer and softer than what the Sasquatch gets so I would not be surprised if the combo would be a little more plush
So I am still very confused. I have a 2 door non SAS Big Bend and want to use the 6112's. Based on the video, if I install them on the #1 setting, I get 3.6" of lift from stock. If you install in on a non SAS Badlands you get 2" of lift from stock, if you install them on SAS you get .6" of lift from stock. But at the end of the day, if you set all 3, side by side after installing the 6112's, and assuming they all had the same tire, wouldn't they all be the same height. If thats the case, and knowing the upper control arm on a SAS is no different than a non SAS, why would I need to change the upper control arm but a guy with SAS can go another inch before they are required to change it. Like I said, I'm still confused.
The big difference is spring rate and the difference in weight. The spring used on the 6112s is much stiffer than what is used on the two door non Sasquatch models which are lighter than everything else, so no matter what you see a much greater ride height gain. So although stock to stock, the Sasquatch only sits about an inch taller than a Non Sas, the change in ride height is greater because the jump in spring rate. That 3.6" would be the same as 2.5" on a Sasquatch model, which either way you swing it, will pretty much require an aftermarket UCA to get aligned back within spec.
@@ShockSurplus So the let's use mine as example, my big bend model with a 2.3 and a manual transmission using the exact same springs will set higher on the #1 setting than an a Big Bend, 2.3 and manual transmission Sasquatch on the #1 setting.
Yup, it would sit about 2" taller than a Sasquatch at the #1 clip and 0.6" of lift.
@@ShockSurplus I can't make that compute, but yall are the experts. I can't wait till you test these.
Sorry, I could have definitely explained that better. A Non Sas Big Bend 2 door with a 2.3 and 7 speed is about 4300 lbs and a Sasquatch is 4500 lbs, with most of that extra 200 lbs sitting over the front end. Since the Sasquatch models are heavier they run a stiffer spring as standard. The 6112 spring is pretty much the same rate as a stock Sasquatch spring, so since the spring is stiffer, the suspension does not compress as much on the lighter Non Sas models. Therefore you see much more lift from a non Sasquatch than the 1.1" variance you see from the factory, since your Bronco is significantly lighter. It is not necessarily a bad thing though, as if you plan on adding a bumper and winch, you have plenty of spring and tons of adjustment to offset that weight. Don't quote me on it, but these should actually be going on next so keep an eye out for that review in the next few months.
Do these have the option to put a bump stop if I want to run 37’s? Thank you!
These use the factory bump stops, so I am sure we could figure out a solution however I think the best option for these would be a top hat spacer. These are basically the same length as the stock Bilstein ESCV coilovers, so you can get away with around a 1" lift top hat spacer on the front and rear without overextending anything. Since the bumpstop is on the shaft, you are effectively spacing out your bump stops by the same amount, just instead of limiting bump travel, you are adding lift.
@@ShockSurplus so if I wanted to let’s say go 3 inches of lift, just set the suspension to let’s say setting 4 on front and rear and then add the 1” spacer on top ? Sorry , I’m looking to buy this set up but I want to do 37’s the correct way! Thanks again and love all the videos you guys put out!
If I’m going 3 inch lift on the eibach 2.0s should I get an arm?
We recommend it for sure. Particularly if it is a Badlands, Wildtrak, or Sasquatch equipped model that already sits up higher from the factory. I am sure some people have gotten away with it, but in our experience you really should be upgrading so you can actually get it aligned back in spec. The Eibachs also cycle a fair bit of travel in the front, so upgrading the arm will prevent ball joint bind and guarantee you get every inch of wheel travel you paid for.
any word on 8112s for the broncos?
haven't heard anything just yet. We're running a killer deal on the Fox Performance Elite if you cant wait
Marlarkey!😆