so the idea that ryoma is a suicidal and wants to die is complete garbage because the whole point of his character is that he holds himself in so little regard because he believes as a death row inmate, his life has no worth when compared to anyone elses. the idea that he is suicidal can be backed up but is not true because the only time he goes out of his way to die was when he was driven to suicide by his motive video and prior to that, he explicitley states to the group that he held off on the idea of giving up his life to the group when that option was availible from the start. he holds himself in a really low regard but does not go out of his way to get himself killed. It even ties into his character as he is the type of person who will accept the consequences of his actions and thus beleives his sentance to be fair and willingly accepts it. If he was suicidal and wanted to die, he would ultimately be running away from his punishment that he beleives and treats is just and right, and would completly contradict the point of his character. Case in point, he is not suicidal, but offers his life up twice in the game as it would ultimately give his "pointless" life meaning, but throwing it away for suicide would be the ultimate act of cowardice and selfishness.
V3 adds nothing new to the danganronpa lore,and could've at least have been it's own thing,but they JUST HAD to link it to the Hope's peak saga,which comes with certain expectations. If it were a standalone and didnt do the whole seasonal killing game thing it would've at least been decent
The thing is, I agree with you on a lot of things. The issue being Tsumugi at the end. I actually thought the creators were poking fun at the idea of Junko always being behind everything. Plus, you forgot to mention that everyone has artificial memories and personalities, basically telling everyone that they're just seeing actors being brutally massacred and that they're idiots for getting invested. Here's my take. Tsumugi the cosplayer is real. However, she assumed Junko's identity wanting to be her.
Christopher Bennett wrong wrong Tsumugi is a person who was so obsessed with DR she became all the characters from the games (theory is that she wrote all the characters from all the games) she wasn’t just Junko she was also Hajime, Chiaki, Sayaka, Togami everyone. She is an exaggeration of what happens when one becomes too obsessed with fiction to the point they lose their own identity, at least that’s what I took from her character
I feel like schuichi is more bland than makoto and hajime. Schuichi missed out on the ‘protagonist character development after the games’ party. Makoto turned to a cinnamon roll and started showing how even positive people still have to deal with loss, hajime turned into somebody who wanted to be special and wanted to be better by giving away what he never realized he had. Idk just how I feel about it
You probably don’t care about such a small detail but a thing that I disliked about V3 was that unlike in previous games, the design of the courtroom stays the same for the first 4 trials and only changes in chapters 5 and 6. It really takes away from the enjoyment of the trials in my opinion.
I'm confused though cause Tsumugi says she can only cosplay fictional characters but she tried to cosplay kaede in the beginning and it didn't work...so I don't believe that everything she says is true
@@KeltkeGH Either 1. What Tsumugi said was a lie, or 2. It's because the characters in V3 were still living breathing people, just made with different personalities, so Tsumugi couldn't cosplay them since the first 2 games' characters were specifically said to be just part of the games.
I really didn't like the ending. No it's not bc I "don't get it" or that I'm "naive" or whatever people argue white knighting the game. I just didn't like how it was executed. I didn't have a problem with what they were going for but I just think they kinda missed the mark. The enjoyment of fiction is subjective. There's no reason to be mad at someone who likes or dislikes the game. Personally I love the franchise.i also love Danganronpa V3. Yeah the end might have gave me a little of a bad after taste but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the rest of the game. I loved the twist of them volunteering for this game and the conflict that would bring realizing that about yourself. I also liked that the right decision was just to refuse to play along. Everything else though...kinda...urged me personally. The ending didn't feel very rewarding. And people can argue that that was the point and "we are part of the problem that's being criticized" which is correct, that was what the developer's were going for. But we are playing out of suichis view, we won, we survived but somehow it still fell flat for me. The trial was just kinda a letdown for me during the second part. It felt really dry and unrewarding solving the last mystery for me, especially since I LOVED the 5th trial so much. Even if that was the point- story wise it makes sense, but game development wise I don't think it's the smartest move. That's just my humble opinion on the whole thing lol.
I know ur comment was a year ago but I agree I love v3 and the characters along with it but I feel like it would have been better for them to live in their own fiction and then they could meet up with Makoto and the rest of the survives of the previous games but to take the fiction out of it made me a little sad. And it kinda got on my nerves how during the trial things were being repeated over and over.
It would be cool if they added different paths paths for each chapter by spending time with different characters changing who kills or who dies in that chapter resulting in a different execution I think this would be a cool thing to have in the next danganronpa game if there’s gonna be a fourth game
True Review actually sent me that video with the comment "How I imagine your experience watching Danganronpa v3 was.", and he couldn't have been more right. Except the reaction to Miu, since's she and Kaede are my favorites.
agreed ive said it before and ill say it again, it's like one of those games/movies that have "and it was all a dream" ending it makes me genuinely disappointed and it really made me hate v3. whICh is why, in my opinion, it wasnt canon and the tragedy and all that really cool/interesting stuff was canon in their universe.
No problem, True! I wasn't much/any help solving the mysteries and didn't know what was going on half the time, but I had so much fun watching. Also, thank you for the help and humor you've been adding to my own attempt at Danganronpa now that I've bought the first two games. Danganronpa just isn't the same without the Narrator, IMO! XD (P.S. Until watching this I honestly thought they were literally calling their group "Broforce". Shame that wasn't really the case.)
I agree with you on nearly every level here. I liked DR3 anime, I think Hinata is awesome, but on V3, spot on. The end is absolute bollocks, half the characters were bland as hell, and the others underused, and the class trials just seemed half-assed. That being said, I'd have probably enjoyed it a lot more if they took out Tsumugi's cosplay fever shit, and left out Junko and the rest of the franchise being fake. Just "Yup, it was me, Tsumugi, cos [classic Ultimate Despair stuff]".
Tsmugi is probably one of my least favorite characters. In her free time events she just sounds like a robot. There is nothing to her. They just wanted another reason to make the villain junko. They did it decently in danganronpa two because we’ve seen alter egos done but this time it was just lazy
honestly with the trial on miu, i remember actually getting really confused and in the middle i started to guess it was gonta, since i often leaned onto paying more attention to how gonta acted. Since i was quite attached to Kokichi and Gonta seemed to always stupidly follow him. So by the time i was in the middle of the trial (which felt like an eternity) i was frustrated because like the other trials, i didn't feel like i had any control. I knew ahead of time with a bunch of the answers. hell! i got furious with how they play out these characters being stupid as hell about how camera's work or how video games work. to me it just felt baffling. Some things in the trial made sense to be confused about but others just got me to disliking the trial more and more. I had fun in some moments but it wasn't no crazy plot twist to me that Gonta had done it. Cause with both DR1 and DR2 i went in blind and excited. some trials weren't great but we at least had some that really let you FEEL thrown off. Not where they held the information from you when you had already seen it and knew "HEY THATS A CLUE" but they're like "nonono. tooooootally not a clue" yet use it later. im unsure if they were too scared that all the trials were extremely obvious or what. Or if they had a new writer or something, but they really were driving this game and steering it way too much. plus i may be biased as kokichi is my favorite character and all, but his trial infuriated me even though it was my favorite trial out of all of them. With cameras it should've been extremely obvious there is a PAUSE BUTTON!! LIKE I DONT WANT TO GO THROUGH LISTENING TO THEM MAKING ALL THIS STUPID EMOTIONAL SHIT FOR HOURS just to fiiiiinally talk about "oh! but theres a pause function on the camera" this game i love very much. and i had a lot of things i enjoyed on it. The characters to me were fun but i understand that some of them were quite bland. Especially Shuichi. Though at this point i just simply forget about the ending and just forget about the frustrations and only take the characters i like from the game and remember it mostly from that. good game, but very flawed
What is a little shocking is the amount of people in the comments who think Junko was the mastermind.... It's kinda like they saw that one scene and turned off the game. Tsumugi was cosplaying as Junko and trying to copy her attempts at spreading despair. She says herself that she was copying someone so of course it failed. We know why it failed too because of the events of Dagan Ronpa 1 and 2. So there's your clue that she was lying about a lot of things.
I agree with most of this. I didn't like the cast in general, there were three or four characters I cared about, the class trials were... Meh and the story ending just... Sucked.
I find the back routes to be interesting. It may be pointless to the flow, but having an option to do such a thing and seeing the effect of the lie towards the other contestants is fascinating. Well... in my eyes.
I've never seen a video I have so absurdly disagree with about this game. You have every right to your opinion, and I'm not here to change yours, but I need to rant about this. The minigames in Danganronpa can be very hit or miss, I agree, but none of them are that difficult, especially in V3, which is easier than DR2 if you ask me. Chapter 1's mystery is not impossible to solve. A lot of people predicted it was coming (Hell, NicoB said it was too obvious). It also did much more for the game's story. Shuichi works as the balance between Kokichi and Kaito's belief which are the main theme of the game. Kaede is essentially Kaito 2.0 in terms of beliefs, so what would see have to gain from being the protag. Shuichi also has a solid arc in V3 that would have gone nowhere if he killed for no reason. You also complain about Gonta having "no motive" when Shuichi doesn't have one either in chapter 1, nor does Tsumugi in chapter 4 for that matter. Moving on, DR1 and 2 did a much worse job on who died and when than V3 did. Taka and Hiyoko die in the middle of their character arcs, Hagakura does almost nothing for the game's story, and half of DR2's surviving cast does nothing for it. The only character that died too early in V3 is Angie and even that is debatable as there are ways to fix her story portrayal with her still being the chapter 3 victim. Kirumi would have been fine if they focused on the traits she has in her trial in her FTEs, but sadly, they don't. Korekiyo's motive also doesn't come out of nowhere. It's implied multiple times in optional dialogues and in his FTEs with both Kaede and Shuichi. I think it works because it goes against the usual "this guy is creepy af but he's actually nice" DR has down on multiple occasions. As for the rest of the cast, I don't know where you're getting off that it's worse than the other games. Rantaro doesn't get a lot of screentime, but he's likable and has a nice backstory and talent if you read his FTEs. Ryoma "wanting to die" doesn't mean he has 0 character and I'm not sure what that kind of logic is??? Tenko is up to opinion, she's clingy and definitely not for everyone, but Angie is even less likable and you seem to like her. Compared to DR1 and 2, where you have Leon and Hagakure who get less likable as you learn more about them, Byakuya who is incredibly irrelevant for a lot of the game compared to Kokichi, Toko (who I love in UDG, but is annoying as fuck in DR1), Hifumi who does nothing but honestly make fun of it's fanbase more than the ending does (which isn't saying much since the ending isn't about saying fuck you to the the fans), Peko who is also defined a lot by her relationship with Fuyuhiko, Ibuki who is incredibly irrelevant most of the time, and Teruteru. Finally, the ending. It is not trying to say that Spike Chunsoft nor Kodaka hates the series and wants it to die, why would they when it's making so much money and gaining a lot of popularity? The older games being fiction doesn't make them irrelevant. The entire point of the ending is to say that fiction is important even if it isn't real. Also, the point of Tsumugi being Junko is to make fun of people complaining about Junko coming back. Tsumugi has an entirely different character than Junko and just uses her for own goals of continuing Danganronpa. Both Nagito and Kokichi would have been WAY too obvious as the mastermind and it would have made Kokichi's character much worse. Nagito, I guess, I can see as a mastermind, but his actions in 2-5 are better than anything he would have done in chapter 6. This has dragged on way too long, I apologize if I'm being condescending or angry in this post, I just need to get this out there.
True, although Hagakure was the funniest character in all the games so his character wasn't pointless. It was also ironic how not only he survived while being the weakest character in killing games, but also his family survived in UDG.
Ok, I agree with most of this, but how in the hell is Ibuki anywhere near “irrelevant”? On top of her being one of the most memorable characters in the series as far as both design and personality (and I only say “one of” to make room for the opinions of others: she’s far and away the best IMO), she provides a useful piece of evidence in the first trial and has one - optionally two - scenes just after Mahiru’s death that further express her character, on top of being surprisingly deep and unbelievably entertaining in Free Time/Dangan Island, all culminating in a death that I would argue is even worse than Chiaki’s in terms of how absolutely depressing it is. Comparing her to the most uninteresting, out-of-focus character in a game that had more than one of those is a travesty that I struggle to find enough words to properly describe. Sorry if this rant sounds like a bit much too, but damn, that struck a nerve with me.
First of all, this post is almost two months old. Secondly, I wouldn’t go that far, but I don’t hate Ibuki or anything. Perhaps irrelevant was a poor choice of words but outside of Teruteru and Twogami she feels the least connected to the rest of the cast as they all have at least one relationship with another character. I like the angle she has as the most optimistic person in chapter 3, but it’s not focused on enough to really make a huge impact nor does her death actually affect any of the survivors going forward (although this can be attributed to 2-3 atrocious case writing more than anything). She really isn’t more relevant in universe than Chiaki, Gundham, or even Peko is to one of the survivors. With that being said, I agree that she’s a really fun character with some nice FTEs.
Why does everyone take what the Mastermind says as the truth, in a game about truth and lies? Everything that happened in the other games is 100% real. The 78th Class and the Remnants of Despair are all real, did people who hate the ending even watch it and understand?
If you remeber the files about crimes that u find in the ultimate detective lab u can see that the first cases are drawing, while the newest have photos. The files are 50 or something like that so it's obvioulsy talking about all the games.
Danganronpa V3 has a controversial ending so that means you either hate it or love it (or some other third opinion). I personally love it because it was an emotional rollercoaster(it was pretty long though so playing the entirety of chapter 6 in one sitting wore me out near the ending). Since this game was based on the theme of truth vs lies it makes you second guess a lot of the information given since Tsumugi lies a lot in the ending. Plus as the mastermind her cosplay talent was super cool to me. The ending for me was something that I grew to love over time with new information coming up and theories of what the truth was. That made it so even after the game ended I was still trying to figure out the truth. In terms of characters I loved 4 of them, 5 I grew to really like through the game, and the rest were ok. But this was the first time I didn't hate someone from a Danganronpa game so that's a plus. Trials were a bit long but overall ok. It's possible to guess who the killer is before the trial starts if you notice the small things(I saw most of this in NicoB's lets play sincehe guessed most of the killers pretty quickly). For the first trial the shot put ball could only have been hit from above since Rantarou was hit on the top of his head. It was shown how Kaede rearranged the books, giving her the opportunity to make her murder plan work. Since the cut scene for this was particularly long it had to hold importance. (Though Tsumugi was the real killer in the end). 2nd and 3rd were pretty easy to guess. For the fourth trial it's mainly over process of elimination and how Gonta really was the only one with the opportunity to kill Miu. Tsumugi could've been possible if she wasn't with Shuichi when Miu hit the chapel wall. 5th trial wasn't hard to guess either(still was pretty interesting though). Overall I think this is tied with SDR2 in my favorite game in the franchise.
Personally I think this game would be pretty bad if Kokichi wasn’t in it. Pretty much everything that I thought was done really well in this game (case 5 for instance) was in some way related to Kokichi or his goals. Also his fake out scene is the greatest.
Honestly the fan disrespect for the ending isn't what really gets to me, I mean, don't get me wrong, it does, but not as much as the other shit. 1. The trial of Kaede and Rantaro was bullshit from the start. Not only that BOTH characters should NOT have died, they could have made the story much better, but Tsumugi fucking cheated in her own game and got away with it. It's such aggravating bullshit and I fucking hate that. "But Junko tried to kill Makoto AND Kyoko, she cheated too!" Yeah, but here's the thing. Junko DIDN'T get away with it. If she DID. I would have the same complaints for her, but she didn't, because that would be stupid. And look at what Tsumugi did, such utter bullshit, I hate it. Just a pathetic mastermind, KOKICHI would have been a better mastermind, yeah you would EXPECT it, but at least he's interesting, meanwhile everything about Tsumugi is bland, down to her goddamn execution, she doesn't even get a good one based on her whole cosplay thing, she just chooses to sit there and die in the rubble lmao 2. There are ONLY THREE SURVIVORS. DO I *NEED* TO SAY MORE!?! NOT EVEN 4. JUST 3. I was willing to at least try to bear with reason one and reason to, if it was JUST THAT. I would still call this a good game, but then comes in.. 3. EVERYTHING IS A LIE. THEY TOOK EVERYTHING, MY FAVORITE GAMES, THE LORE, THE CHARACTERS, ALL OF IT MEANS NOTHING. Why...just WHY!? And then they do some up to interpretation shit, saying; "aRe ThEy ReAlLy NoT rEaL!?!!1!1!" And now the three survivors just stuck in a world of nothing, nothing left outside of their game, just a destroyed school to call home for all eternity. Spike Chunsoft, you guys are amazing, but for the love of FUCK. RETCON THIS ENDING. The fact that they just made EVERY game meaningless is what made me go on the warpath, I was willing to put up with the BULLSHIT that is trial 1 and 3. But this is just...I hate it. That's all, thank you for coming to my ted talk.
So wait, the best cast is somehow the worst cast? What do you even mean??? Also, the Epilogue suggested that the Danganronpa 1-3 did happen. (Do people just ignore the epilogue or something) Not only that, but the prologue also suggested that they were indeed kidnapped (or at least suggested that it was a possibility). Not only that, but the book on the history of the Hope's Academy was a most likely a real book, considering it holds only public information. Hence why it makes no mention of events of SDR2, as it wouldn't make sense for such a private Killing Game to be public information. Also, you are straight-up wrong. You don't need the motive to prove guilt. What you need is a guilty act and a guilty mind, aka. Actus Rea and Mens Rea. Mens Rea, is all about the intention to do the crime, not the motive behind the crime. However motive is preferable to have when you are trying to prove to a jury, but legally speaking not needed. However, since this is Danganronpa, you do not even need Mens Rea, since in Danganronpa manslaughter and self-defense are counted for murders. So all together with the claim that you need motive, is BS. Also, the reason why the investigator use motive to find suspects because practically speaking everybody in the world is a suspect. However, in Danganronpa, they are in a closed environment. That means opportunity and method are much more important for finding the correct suspect, as motive is intended to reduce thousands upon thousands of possible suspects. This video just has a bunch of strange things about it, like the Junko thing... Because the game kinda points out the cliche to begin with and most of all... It's not Junko, the character literally doesn't believe Junko exists (or maybe she does, considering how Tsumigi hints that she is just a copy cat). Like I could actually break down the majority of this video... Except for Case 3, because fuck Case 3, that shit was some ol' BS. Like so many things about that case is complete BS. But then again Case 3s in DR seem to be cursed to be the worst case in every DR game. (And I do agree that Case 1 hid the culprit in such BS way and that sort of sucked) I consider V3 to be the best DR game to date.
Unfortunately I don’t know how to link it on mobile, but TV Tropes gave a couple examples of times when Kodaka debunked the “message to the fanbase” theory and remarked on what the actual interpretation was supposed to be, while also saying that the development team was “concerned” about how people kept taking it negatively like that. The rest of the video was pretty much fine, but I feel like you should’ve probably checked yourself before claiming something that’s already been disproven.
I think that there are good and bad things about this game the cases were interesting the executions were brutal and the cast was fantastic but the way they executed the ending was really bad and ruined the game for me but I still had fun and that’s all that mattered
You can bet they can do an Ultra Despair Girls 2 in VR when the PSVR2 launches and use a narrative of how you are now stuck in that fictional world and need to figure out which layer of which reality you are on to get out, back to the real world we personally live in. Basically a “get your head out of the game” meta which is one beyond what V3 did but also in a medium the series hasn’t tried yet. I’m calling it now, it’s so simple how they could continue the series with using a larger spectacle. It’s setup is as simple as a new war between the viewers who quit not wanting their favorite series to see go away after V3 and bam…instant set up for a new action game. 🤣 I should be on the writing team. There would easily be enough people who would buy that I could sell the idea. It’s not like the PSVR2 is even out yet and this being a title that took a spin-off to the fricking Vita of all places would totally think ahead to help with a launch title for that new VR system.
It's always interesting to see how different people think of certain characters I can agree with a lot of your statements, but I still think that Gonta and Himiko are great characters, Gonta is a really loyal character that is too naive for his own good, Himiko is still a child and not helpful at all, but after some time she really tries to help and starts to reflect on her own behavior so I think there is a character development to be found (SPOILER WARNING) I liked the ending as well I don't think that Junko is the villain in this game, I interpreted Tsumugi to be the master mind who is just imitating Junko Furthermore I think that the first two games were "real" events in the Danganronpa universe and only V3 takes place in a game show But I guess that's up to interpretation
You don't have to get angry at my interpretation, like I said in my first sentence "It's always interesting to see how different people think of certain characters" I just have a different opinion than you As they are no "real" class they don't have to be the same age, these are just mostly random teenagers that participate in this killing game so why would they necessarily have the same age? It's possible that the game implies Gonta to be younger than Himiko, I don't know, if it does I must have missed it And as I said, I really like Himiko's character so I agree with you saying she gives emotional support, I just meant she wasn't that much of a help in finding the culprits And I have the right to critique a game as much as I want, just like anyone else and not everyone has to agree with that 1. I did pay attention, nobody can notice every single detail the first time around, I'm not god you know 2. I just talked about my interpretation of the game and the characters, it has nothing to do with lying, it's just how I see the game I do understand you mean well to educate me but try to be less angry and let other people have opinions too We don't have to agree, it's what makes the world go 'round (:
Jewell thanks for the apology. The thing is that I assumed they would be high schoolers but in different classes. I came to that conclusion because Rantaro was in the killing game the year before Danganronpa V3, so he wouldn't technically be in the other people's class, would he? Because he must be slightly older at least a year. So I thought that they do not have to be the same age, which would confirm that Gonta is younger than the others(I might really have missed this in the text) So can't Himiko be in like I don't know in Junior high school in like grade 7 or something like that? That would make her like 14 years old right? (I'm not quite sure about that because I'm not that familiar with the high school systems of Japan or the United States and I'm not sure to which on it refers in the English translation after all) I do realize that even 14 would make her a teenager but a pretty "young" one, assuming that other characters might be like 17 years old or something like that. But I sure get your point that they all have about the same age. Maybe I can change what I wrote in my first post from "she's a child" to "she's often acting childish"? Maybe that's more accurate after all. Sure she does provide useful clues for the others to solve some of the trials, but she never really seems to connect the clues to get to the solution herself
@@moved596 There are childish teenagers. It doesn't help that being a magician, she has to convince everyone else that what she does is magic. Like most magicians do. She might be a crap character to you, however people like her could legit exist. Unless you want all the characters to be someone you'd like?
@@moved596 Jewell I didn't specifically meant to only mean you. That's why I stated that you "might" find her to be a crap character. However, I'm stating in a general sense. There are plenty of people that don't like Himiko simply for being Himiko. I apologise if you took my words for face value though.
I was searching for a NDRV3 review to see if anyone could say to me the downsides of this game logically, based on evidence. I saw many videos complementing this game after all so i thought "Yeah, it must have some major mistake? After all i can see it", but i just got a lot of opinion based argues here (of course, because it's just a "rant")...And some with evidence like the part of the crossbow and all, but only that...
Honestly, i think v3's ending was a good twist, but it kinda makes the other games' events feel less... heavy. Like, if it was all a game, if none of it actually happened, it kinda cheapens it.
@@flygonkerel781 thematically, it’s brilliant, the idea of deconstructing your own franchise to end it is pretty bold. Trying to protray the relationship between your audience and the games and parallel it with the characters could have been a really gripping experience and even thought provoking. The whole game being about lies vs truths and hammering it til the end makes the reveal of their stories being fabricated something thematically adequate, and could even be existentialist, had it been done with a little bit of tact, exploring the true nature of reality and how both truths and lies are part of it. And the fact that the trial could have let you guessing what was real and what wasn’t is something not many projects can do. That being said, the writing is god awful and the execution lacks subtlety, depth or any semblance of logic. The idea of also involving the first two games, and how it goes above and beyond to make everything feel pointless just makes the ending unsatisfying (one of the worst things a mystery novel can be) and frustrating (because, even if it isn’t what it could have been, the beginning of the trial, doing a rerun on Kaede’s case, is incredible imo). It’s baffling how this game does everything in its power to try and portray itself as a massive waste of time that can’t have any meaning or emotion driven from.
danganronpa has always been bad with motives. the characters tend to do things because the story says so. and unlike ace attonery where each case has a different cast so it can write a story around them danganronpa has the same set of characters so it feels like a character has to do something out of character if they are the murderer. danganronpa is cool in the moment but falls apart when you think about it deeper.
The twist actually implies that Tsumugi is lying about the whole fictional bullshit and the outside world is nothing like she describe. They just don’t outright say it
21:20 They did explain that the first 2 are just games and then anime to later be form to a televise real fiction. Did you forgot the line? Guess so, since it doesn't matter.
Not onlythat there were clues thrown all over the game. For example, when Shuichi and Maki see the murder case files in his Lab Maki notices there are 52 files and Shuichi notices all the old files had illustrations and not real photographs. Shuichi then wonders if perhaps the implication is that the older cases are fictional cases. This is the most in our face foreshadowing of the big reveal because the murder case files in the Ultimate Detective'sLab are actually a collection of all the murders comitted in the 52 titles of Danganronpa, with the earlier titles being games and anime hence 100% fictional (thus illustrated and not photographed). The fact that later cases have real photos also serves as a reminder that Real FIction is still Real Life. They are not a bunch of 1's and 0's in a program, nor some anime. They are just sixteen real life individuals who lost their memories and were implanted with entirely new memories of their past. The whole crap with Tsumugi trying to convince them they are fiction is actually a dicussion of semantics in the end. The mastermind claims that since their basic personality and their whole memory of their lives was "written" by someone else, they might as well be "fictional" even if they have real bodies. They were merely trying to make them fall deeper into despair by getting them to accept they are not real anymore and have no future to live for. Sadly for them Shuichi basically flipped the board on them and realized, if they had no future to live for, then they might as well use their lives to stop others from going through the same ordeals they did.
True Review yea. I was disappointed in it. Very much. I blame FUCKING MONICA. ARGH. She killed my will to get the game itself. V3 the only reason I'd get it is cause of the weird love hotel thingy. I played the demo. And it was awful cause they didnt tell us the pc controls. I don't own a controller. So it was absolute bullshit.
10:50 very specific yes, but please try to be careful with blatanly false statements like calling it "literally pixel perfect". If that was truly the case no one would ever be able to pass the trial, trust me... this ain't a 16-bit game
dude, i mostly agree with your opinion, but it pissed me off when you said gonta was bland. like dude, i know you don't care about my opinion or whatever.. but it's called a free time event...
I agree with most of the stuff you said here. Though, I'm shocked you didn't address how "Junko" was being a snarky little shit when she was revealed to allegedly be the mastermind. But more importantly, while the ending isn't as good as the other games, Tsumugi being the mastermind and blending into the background makes a bit of sense. Like how Kiibo was an audience surrogate and camera, what if Tsumugi was a way for viewers to project themselves for those that didn't or couldn't vote. Bit of a stretch on my part though. Though everything being fiction and a "lie" and her being a cosplayer do weirdly go hand in hand
Metaphorically, you may think that, but it's quite the opposite. DR2 was the most rushed one, in fact. The 3rd trial was so bad because it was rushed. Fuyuhiko was originally gonna die and Hiyoko would have been a survivor but they thought that would make Peko's death pointless so they switched it last minute. That's why it seemed like Hiyoko was getting character development just to die in Chapter 3. Also, DR2 had a development time of only around 1 year while V3 had around 2.
I don't think you summed up this in review, but after all that critique you can say that writting quality took a massive downfall and not up to par to other 2 games. In first trial you instantly spot the mysterious door in girl's toilet, and generally it all leads to Tsumugi but then they decide that Kaede got the kill with the most convoluted way possible(and then in last chapter game blatantly laughs at you for believing so). Second kill is no less idiotic in a way that culprit transported victim's body in such convoluted way and didn't thougth about braking until the last second. Hell, you could even use his hat to slow down. Third kill is downright stupid cause you know who is the killer while killing is happening(and you can't stop it). Fourth kill happens cause detective and his friends can't spot malicious intent and do not suspect anyone before class trials, and even then writer can't stop applauding to how smart he is for a really obvious secret in the case, while making culprit downright random. The fifth case is the only one I found good in this game, coudn't settle down for answer until the conclusion(cause after all that preparation they could mess up with you even more, creating a signs of a changeup and end up not doing it on purpose). And then writer decides to break everything down, but for what? For bringing up philosophical idea that fiction can influence people? I think people think about it when they are twelve. But even then it's not all. In process he takes a huge dump on the player for playing morally questionable games and enjoying it(and if you think that wasn't their intent, think about it again. Even mediocre author would think about this because the parallels he draws between the player and the audience is too close, also developers test their games and it's not possible that even one tester not pointed that out), destroys all immersion that game ever had and even shits even more on his characters. After major events of the game Shuichi is too psychologicaly strong and self-sufficient to give up on himself and not question everything Tsumugi says(what a detective). And even if audience gave up on this game, what stops them from watching the next one and enjoying it? People already knew that murders were real, they still enjoyed it and even wanted to took part in it. So to sum everything up: Kodaka(main writer of the game) started thinking too highly of himself and tried to make another crazy ending half-heartedly while dropping the ball on everything else. Everything, from characters and setting to murder themselves were negatively affected while ending was a massive dissapointment and an ego stroke. Fuck me if I buy another DR game without reading and watching people reviews.
There's two people in my opinion that I was glad they're dead was of course Tenko and Miu Tenko was just not interesting for me and felt a little annoying but she was funny with her faces which kept me liking her and disliking her Miu oh boy how much I hate her she was annoying as hell with all her sexual things on men just made me want scream in the pillow at how much her character and personality she was Again this is my opinion
Half of this video is just a combination of "I couldn't figure out X before the reveal, is bad!", "Characters that I like died!", or a gross simplification of a character. Interesting opinion and thoughts though, 'twas quite the watch!
They could have pulled the exact same ending without shitting in the previous dr characters, the devs crearly wanted to make fans mad or just use the characters because fuck it, awfull ending for a very good franchise.
Choza de thunder no its because they wanted to end this series and now anlther game (which isnt a spinoff) wouldnt feel right because we have the feeling its a fiction anyway so no "real" persons or connections can be made unlike the other games. atleast thats my point of view to the ending
Theres so much that I dont like about V3. The monokubs are useless and are just comic relief. The overuse the song "new world order"(which should only be used for major plot reveals or moments of resolve. Also while the twist that the mastermind really killed (spoilers) and also that really no one had to die does the job of adding despair, its still badly executed
12:05 "I got the impression from chapter three that the writers had run out of ideas, and were just making it up as they went along." Congratulations, you got the point of the game. Or at least you should have. The game is the writers saying to us, "Hey, we're running out of ideas, we've finished the story, we can't do this anymore." It's not them telling you to fuck off. They ran out of ideas so they had to come up with outlandish scenarios. This was a 'what if' situation where there were 53 Danganronpas, the writers ran out of ideas, and the fans became entitled.
I would love to counter... however... with what I learnt, those who aren't interested in their beliefs to be changed don't want to learn about the contradictions regardless. I'd just be wasting my time.
As I’ve stated before, people who don’t like this game and it’s ending are people who don’t get it and usually seem to take the exact opposite meaning from things that were explicitly stated. I’ve never seen someone dislike this game who didn’t fall into this hole of somehow playing a version of this game that is opposite from itself in every way or was just whiny about things that didn’t make sense.
1:19 this is a killing game not suitable for kids I hate this game it's where they commit death and poisonous cupcakes they stab people kill people and more that is really evil
so the idea that ryoma is a suicidal and wants to die is complete garbage because the whole point of his character is that he holds himself in so little regard because he believes as a death row inmate, his life has no worth when compared to anyone elses. the idea that he is suicidal can be backed up but is not true because the only time he goes out of his way to die was when he was driven to suicide by his motive video and prior to that, he explicitley states to the group that he held off on the idea of giving up his life to the group when that option was availible from the start. he holds himself in a really low regard but does not go out of his way to get himself killed.
It even ties into his character as he is the type of person who will accept the consequences of his actions and thus beleives his sentance to be fair and willingly accepts it. If he was suicidal and wanted to die, he would ultimately be running away from his punishment that he beleives and treats is just and right, and would completly contradict the point of his character.
Case in point, he is not suicidal, but offers his life up twice in the game as it would ultimately give his "pointless" life meaning, but throwing it away for suicide would be the ultimate act of cowardice and selfishness.
Black Frost A Hoshibro? Go back to your den.
V3 adds nothing new to the danganronpa lore,and could've at least have been it's own thing,but they JUST HAD to link it to the Hope's peak saga,which comes with certain expectations. If it were a standalone and didnt do the whole seasonal killing game thing it would've at least been decent
Fun fact: In Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair, the villain was supposed to be one of the survivors from the first game.
Francisco Cruz The Next-Gen Gamer That would’ve been so cool.
can you send the link to the source you heard that from?
Well...we saw Monokuma surviving Happy trigger havoc so...that’s correct xD (jk)
@@Neptune-or4vm lmao
Oh my god, that's... actually a good idea...
The thing is, I agree with you on a lot of things.
The issue being Tsumugi at the end. I actually thought the creators were poking fun at the idea of Junko always being behind everything. Plus, you forgot to mention that everyone has artificial memories and personalities, basically telling everyone that they're just seeing actors being brutally massacred and that they're idiots for getting invested.
Here's my take. Tsumugi the cosplayer is real. However, she assumed Junko's identity wanting to be her.
Christopher Bennett wrong wrong Tsumugi is a person who was so obsessed with DR she became all the characters from the games (theory is that she wrote all the characters from all the games) she wasn’t just Junko she was also Hajime, Chiaki, Sayaka, Togami everyone. She is an exaggeration of what happens when one becomes too obsessed with fiction to the point they lose their own identity, at least that’s what I took from her character
I feel like schuichi is more bland than makoto and hajime. Schuichi missed out on the ‘protagonist character development after the games’ party. Makoto turned to a cinnamon roll and started showing how even positive people still have to deal with loss, hajime turned into somebody who wanted to be special and wanted to be better by giving away what he never realized he had. Idk just how I feel about it
More bland is a crazy take
@@ProphetLot *they’re
@@LavenderPi My point still stands
You probably don’t care about such a small detail but a thing that I disliked about V3 was that unlike in previous games, the design of the courtroom stays the same for the first 4 trials and only changes in chapters 5 and 6. It really takes away from the enjoyment of the trials in my opinion.
but don't they change throughout the individual trials mid way and etc? Or is that just different areas of the courtroom being shown?
I agree, though the courtroom in V3 looks less ugly than the previous ones
Why would it take enjoyment of the trials? It's so minor that I didn't even realise.
13:28 NicoB already figured it out before the investigation. I'm still shocked.
it was something you had to figure out just by expecting a twist and not using logic i feel like
@@gloomywheel8378 That can be the case. But logic dictates that in a killing game, nobody is safe.
I'm confused though cause Tsumugi says she can only cosplay fictional characters but she tried to cosplay kaede in the beginning and it didn't work...so I don't believe that everything she says is true
It was a lie
It's a plothole. And we will never get the aswer to that.
@@KeltkeGH Either 1. What Tsumugi said was a lie, or 2. It's because the characters in V3 were still living breathing people, just made with different personalities, so Tsumugi couldn't cosplay them since the first 2 games' characters were specifically said to be just part of the games.
I really didn't like the ending.
No it's not bc I "don't get it" or that I'm "naive" or whatever people argue white knighting the game. I just didn't like how it was executed. I didn't have a problem with what they were going for but I just think they kinda missed the mark.
The enjoyment of fiction is subjective. There's no reason to be mad at someone who likes or dislikes the game.
Personally I love the franchise.i also love Danganronpa V3. Yeah the end might have gave me a little of a bad after taste but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the rest of the game.
I loved the twist of them volunteering for this game and the conflict that would bring realizing that about yourself. I also liked that the right decision was just to refuse to play along.
Everything else though...kinda...urged me personally.
The ending didn't feel very rewarding. And people can argue that that was the point and "we are part of the problem that's being criticized" which is correct, that was what the developer's were going for. But we are playing out of suichis view, we won, we survived but somehow it still fell flat for me.
The trial was just kinda a letdown for me during the second part. It felt really dry and unrewarding solving the last mystery for me, especially since I LOVED the 5th trial so much. Even if that was the point- story wise it makes sense, but game development wise I don't think it's the smartest move.
That's just my humble opinion on the whole thing lol.
I know ur comment was a year ago but I agree I love v3 and the characters along with it but I feel like it would have been better for them to live in their own fiction and then they could meet up with Makoto and the rest of the survives of the previous games but to take the fiction out of it made me a little sad. And it kinda got on my nerves how during the trial things were being repeated over and over.
It would be cool if they added different paths paths for each chapter by spending time with different characters changing who kills or who dies in that chapter resulting in a different execution I think this would be a cool thing to have in the next danganronpa game if there’s gonna be a fourth game
There’s a game that kinda is like danganronpa, it’s called wolf’s game and it follows that but it’s Japanese/Chinese exclusive
Kurai Fujikawa Oooh sounds interesting might look more into thanks a bunch! 😁
That’s kinda what Distrust was
I can't believe you predicted Kodaka leaving S.Chunsoft
Atua is an actual religious figure in Maori belief.
Wow. Seeing the word Maori in a comment section like this. That's somewhat of a surprise.
So Atua is real.
Well that makes it all worse since they went out of their way to not offend Christians and then did this :/
Me: Seems forgivabl-
*Say Gonta sucked*
Me: C'mere *Swings bat at you and shoots you with gun*
1:23 "I just don't think a parody of this game would be very good"
*Flashbacks to another video* "What is a cockichi? It sounds like a crappy sex toy"
What video?
Baron Beat not from this channel, I think it's called "a waifu killing game dangan ronpa V3 (spoilers)", I'm not sure
True Review actually sent me that video with the comment "How I imagine your experience watching Danganronpa v3 was.", and he couldn't have been more right. Except the reaction to Miu, since's she and Kaede are my favorites.
Razara kaede's ghost doesn't pull back and neither does Miu acknowledging the recurring protagonist symbols
Okay yeah I agree with this. I was genuinely unhappy with the ending.
Glad to see someone else with good taste.
That’s kinda the point for it to be unsatisfactory because then another killing game would happen
The truth hurts doesn't it?
If it even is the absolute truth..?
agreed
ive said it before and ill say it again, it's like one of those games/movies that have "and it was all a dream" ending
it makes me genuinely disappointed and it really made me hate v3.
whICh is why, in my opinion, it wasnt canon and the tragedy and all that really cool/interesting stuff was canon in their universe.
No problem, True! I wasn't much/any help solving the mysteries and didn't know what was going on half the time, but I had so much fun watching. Also, thank you for the help and humor you've been adding to my own attempt at Danganronpa now that I've bought the first two games. Danganronpa just isn't the same without the Narrator, IMO! XD (P.S. Until watching this I honestly thought they were literally calling their group "Broforce". Shame that wasn't really the case.)
Yay. Finally. I have been waiting for the new video.
I agree with you on nearly every level here. I liked DR3 anime, I think Hinata is awesome, but on V3, spot on. The end is absolute bollocks, half the characters were bland as hell, and the others underused, and the class trials just seemed half-assed. That being said, I'd have probably enjoyed it a lot more if they took out Tsumugi's cosplay fever shit, and left out Junko and the rest of the franchise being fake. Just "Yup, it was me, Tsumugi, cos [classic Ultimate Despair stuff]".
Tsmugi is probably one of my least favorite characters. In her free time events she just sounds like a robot. There is nothing to her. They just wanted another reason to make the villain junko. They did it decently in danganronpa two because we’ve seen alter egos done but this time it was just lazy
V3 is a masterpiece
That's a weird way to spell Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc
@@hoovy1163 Oof, I think that mistranslated from V3.
honestly with the trial on miu, i remember actually getting really confused and in the middle i started to guess it was gonta, since i often leaned onto paying more attention to how gonta acted. Since i was quite attached to Kokichi and Gonta seemed to always stupidly follow him. So by the time i was in the middle of the trial (which felt like an eternity) i was frustrated because like the other trials, i didn't feel like i had any control. I knew ahead of time with a bunch of the answers. hell! i got furious with how they play out these characters being stupid as hell about how camera's work or how video games work.
to me it just felt baffling. Some things in the trial made sense to be confused about but others just got me to disliking the trial more and more. I had fun in some moments but it wasn't no crazy plot twist to me that Gonta had done it. Cause with both DR1 and DR2 i went in blind and excited. some trials weren't great but we at least had some that really let you FEEL thrown off. Not where they held the information from you when you had already seen it and knew "HEY THATS A CLUE" but they're like "nonono. tooooootally not a clue" yet use it later.
im unsure if they were too scared that all the trials were extremely obvious or what. Or if they had a new writer or something, but they really were driving this game and steering it way too much.
plus i may be biased as kokichi is my favorite character and all, but his trial infuriated me even though it was my favorite trial out of all of them. With cameras it should've been extremely obvious there is a PAUSE BUTTON!! LIKE I DONT WANT TO GO THROUGH LISTENING TO THEM MAKING ALL THIS STUPID EMOTIONAL SHIT FOR HOURS just to fiiiiinally talk about "oh! but theres a pause function on the camera"
this game i love very much. and i had a lot of things i enjoyed on it. The characters to me were fun but i understand that some of them were quite bland. Especially Shuichi. Though at this point i just simply forget about the ending and just forget about the frustrations and only take the characters i like from the game and remember it mostly from that.
good game, but very flawed
this rant is why there isn't a season 3 of a parordy
in the japanese version of the game Gonta doesn't speak in broken english. He just refers to himself in the third person.
The Danganronpa v3 setting should have been on a boat, PROVE ME WRONG.
I’m telling you it could have been different settings each game.
Holy shit, that would have been amazing. A 999-esque setting would be great in Danganronpa styled game.
Years later I finally know what that opening is a reference to.
What is a little shocking is the amount of people in the comments who think Junko was the mastermind....
It's kinda like they saw that one scene and turned off the game.
Tsumugi was cosplaying as Junko and trying to copy her attempts at spreading despair. She says herself that she was copying someone so of course it failed. We know why it failed too because of the events of Dagan Ronpa 1 and 2.
So there's your clue that she was lying about a lot of things.
Maki: I'm the ultimate assassin
47: hold my wire
Agent 47 is a hitman not an assassin.
V3's ending legit almost made me smash my Vita with a brick
class rep is that you?
But isn´t "getting out" always a Motive in this game?
Gonta did nothing wrong
Phantom R 100% Agreed
Phantom R Other than The Insect Meet and Greet and killing Miu....
Ye
Of course
Unpopular opinion but Kaito, Angie and Miu should have also survived or been the 3 survivors
Atua is an actual Polynesian God tho 🌚
I felt that emotion all the way from here!
I agree with most of this. I didn't like the cast in general, there were three or four characters I cared about, the class trials were... Meh and the story ending just... Sucked.
I find the back routes to be interesting. It may be pointless to the flow, but having an option to do such a thing and seeing the effect of the lie towards the other contestants is fascinating. Well... in my eyes.
I've never seen a video I have so absurdly disagree with about this game. You have every right to your opinion, and I'm not here to change yours, but I need to rant about this.
The minigames in Danganronpa can be very hit or miss, I agree, but none of them are that difficult, especially in V3, which is easier than DR2 if you ask me.
Chapter 1's mystery is not impossible to solve. A lot of people predicted it was coming (Hell, NicoB said it was too obvious). It also did much more for the game's story. Shuichi works as the balance between Kokichi and Kaito's belief which are the main theme of the game. Kaede is essentially Kaito 2.0 in terms of beliefs, so what would see have to gain from being the protag. Shuichi also has a solid arc in V3 that would have gone nowhere if he killed for no reason. You also complain about Gonta having "no motive" when Shuichi doesn't have one either in chapter 1, nor does Tsumugi in chapter 4 for that matter.
Moving on, DR1 and 2 did a much worse job on who died and when than V3 did. Taka and Hiyoko die in the middle of their character arcs, Hagakura does almost nothing for the game's story, and half of DR2's surviving cast does nothing for it. The only character that died too early in V3 is Angie and even that is debatable as there are ways to fix her story portrayal with her still being the chapter 3 victim. Kirumi would have been fine if they focused on the traits she has in her trial in her FTEs, but sadly, they don't. Korekiyo's motive also doesn't come out of nowhere. It's implied multiple times in optional dialogues and in his FTEs with both Kaede and Shuichi. I think it works because it goes against the usual "this guy is creepy af but he's actually nice" DR has down on multiple occasions.
As for the rest of the cast, I don't know where you're getting off that it's worse than the other games. Rantaro doesn't get a lot of screentime, but he's likable and has a nice backstory and talent if you read his FTEs. Ryoma "wanting to die" doesn't mean he has 0 character and I'm not sure what that kind of logic is??? Tenko is up to opinion, she's clingy and definitely not for everyone, but Angie is even less likable and you seem to like her. Compared to DR1 and 2, where you have Leon and Hagakure who get less likable as you learn more about them, Byakuya who is incredibly irrelevant for a lot of the game compared to Kokichi, Toko (who I love in UDG, but is annoying as fuck in DR1), Hifumi who does nothing but honestly make fun of it's fanbase more than the ending does (which isn't saying much since the ending isn't about saying fuck you to the the fans), Peko who is also defined a lot by her relationship with Fuyuhiko, Ibuki who is incredibly irrelevant most of the time, and Teruteru.
Finally, the ending. It is not trying to say that Spike Chunsoft nor Kodaka hates the series and wants it to die, why would they when it's making so much money and gaining a lot of popularity? The older games being fiction doesn't make them irrelevant. The entire point of the ending is to say that fiction is important even if it isn't real.
Also, the point of Tsumugi being Junko is to make fun of people complaining about Junko coming back. Tsumugi has an entirely different character than Junko and just uses her for own goals of continuing Danganronpa. Both Nagito and Kokichi would have been WAY too obvious as the mastermind and it would have made Kokichi's character much worse. Nagito, I guess, I can see as a mastermind, but his actions in 2-5 are better than anything he would have done in chapter 6.
This has dragged on way too long, I apologize if I'm being condescending or angry in this post, I just need to get this out there.
True, although Hagakure was the funniest character in all the games so his character wasn't pointless. It was also ironic how not only he survived while being the weakest character in killing games, but also his family survived in UDG.
Thank you for saving me from watching this vid
Sequitur I found it
Ok, I agree with most of this, but how in the hell is Ibuki anywhere near “irrelevant”? On top of her being one of the most memorable characters in the series as far as both design and personality (and I only say “one of” to make room for the opinions of others: she’s far and away the best IMO), she provides a useful piece of evidence in the first trial and has one - optionally two - scenes just after Mahiru’s death that further express her character, on top of being surprisingly deep and unbelievably entertaining in Free Time/Dangan Island, all culminating in a death that I would argue is even worse than Chiaki’s in terms of how absolutely depressing it is. Comparing her to the most uninteresting, out-of-focus character in a game that had more than one of those is a travesty that I struggle to find enough words to properly describe.
Sorry if this rant sounds like a bit much too, but damn, that struck a nerve with me.
First of all, this post is almost two months old.
Secondly, I wouldn’t go that far, but I don’t hate Ibuki or anything. Perhaps irrelevant was a poor choice of words but outside of Teruteru and Twogami she feels the least connected to the rest of the cast as they all have at least one relationship with another character. I like the angle she has as the most optimistic person in chapter 3, but it’s not focused on enough to really make a huge impact nor does her death actually affect any of the survivors going forward (although this can be attributed to 2-3 atrocious case writing more than anything).
She really isn’t more relevant in universe than Chiaki, Gundham, or even Peko is to one of the survivors. With that being said, I agree that she’s a really fun character with some nice FTEs.
Why does everyone take what the Mastermind says as the truth, in a game about truth and lies? Everything that happened in the other games is 100% real. The 78th Class and the Remnants of Despair are all real, did people who hate the ending even watch it and understand?
If you remeber the files about crimes that u find in the ultimate detective lab u can see that the first cases are drawing, while the newest have photos. The files are 50 or something like that so it's obvioulsy talking about all the games.
Idk maybe because the devs kept shoving the damn thing into our faces the hole trial to the point it gets annoying
I hope that what Tsumugi was saying is the truth, because otherwise, I wasted 2 hours of my life on a pointless trial.
@@cookiepowers1850 3 hours actually.
but you know that tsumugi is a mastermind and she was onl cotsplaying junko to make a new mystery named "what the fuck is junko 53rd"?
Basically, Gonta pulls a Kayaba Akihiko when you talk about the motive.
Danganronpa V3 has a controversial ending so that means you either hate it or love it (or some other third opinion). I personally love it because it was an emotional rollercoaster(it was pretty long though so playing the entirety of chapter 6 in one sitting wore me out near the ending). Since this game was based on the theme of truth vs lies it makes you second guess a lot of the information given since Tsumugi lies a lot in the ending. Plus as the mastermind her cosplay talent was super cool to me. The ending for me was something that I grew to love over time with new information coming up and theories of what the truth was. That made it so even after the game ended I was still trying to figure out the truth.
In terms of characters I loved 4 of them, 5 I grew to really like through the game, and the rest were ok. But this was the first time I didn't hate someone from a Danganronpa game so that's a plus.
Trials were a bit long but overall ok. It's possible to guess who the killer is before the trial starts if you notice the small things(I saw most of this in NicoB's lets play sincehe guessed most of the killers pretty quickly). For the first trial the shot put ball could only have been hit from above since Rantarou was hit on the top of his head. It was shown how Kaede rearranged the books, giving her the opportunity to make her murder plan work. Since the cut scene for this was particularly long it had to hold importance. (Though Tsumugi was the real killer in the end).
2nd and 3rd were pretty easy to guess. For the fourth trial it's mainly over process of elimination and how Gonta really was the only one with the opportunity to kill Miu. Tsumugi could've been possible if she wasn't with Shuichi when Miu hit the chapel wall. 5th trial wasn't hard to guess either(still was pretty interesting though).
Overall I think this is tied with SDR2 in my favorite game in the franchise.
Personally I think this game would be pretty bad if Kokichi wasn’t in it. Pretty much everything that I thought was done really well in this game (case 5 for instance) was in some way related to Kokichi or his goals. Also his fake out scene is the greatest.
I thought it was pretty obvious it was Kaede in fact I guessed her before I even started the part where you investigate
It looks like someone doesn’t believe in the power of fiction.
PoffyPrime Yeah, I don’t know what it has to Danganronpa.
@@indiraturner5506 the last trial?
I pretty much wholehearteldy agree with you on the ending.
I'm happy to see another person who dislikes Gonta. He's just a boring and one-dimensional character
Honestly the fan disrespect for the ending isn't what really gets to me, I mean, don't get me wrong, it does, but not as much as the other shit.
1. The trial of Kaede and Rantaro was bullshit from the start.
Not only that BOTH characters should NOT have died, they could have made the story much better, but Tsumugi fucking cheated in her own game and got away with it.
It's such aggravating bullshit and I fucking hate that.
"But Junko tried to kill Makoto AND Kyoko, she cheated too!"
Yeah, but here's the thing. Junko DIDN'T get away with it. If she DID. I would have the same complaints for her, but she didn't, because that would be stupid.
And look at what Tsumugi did, such utter bullshit, I hate it.
Just a pathetic mastermind, KOKICHI would have been a better mastermind, yeah you would EXPECT it, but at least he's interesting, meanwhile everything about Tsumugi is bland, down to her goddamn execution, she doesn't even get a good one based on her whole cosplay thing, she just chooses to sit there and die in the rubble lmao
2. There are ONLY THREE SURVIVORS. DO I *NEED* TO SAY MORE!?! NOT EVEN 4. JUST 3.
I was willing to at least try to bear with reason one and reason to, if it was JUST THAT. I would still call this a good game, but then comes in..
3. EVERYTHING IS A LIE. THEY TOOK EVERYTHING, MY FAVORITE GAMES, THE LORE, THE CHARACTERS, ALL OF IT MEANS NOTHING.
Why...just WHY!?
And then they do some up to interpretation shit, saying; "aRe ThEy ReAlLy NoT rEaL!?!!1!1!"
And now the three survivors just stuck in a world of nothing, nothing left outside of their game, just a destroyed school to call home for all eternity.
Spike Chunsoft, you guys are amazing, but for the love of FUCK. RETCON THIS ENDING. The fact that they just made EVERY game meaningless is what made me go on the warpath, I was willing to put up with the BULLSHIT that is trial 1 and 3. But this is just...I hate it.
That's all, thank you for coming to my ted talk.
but Kaede's murder wasn't hidden, I know plenty of people that saw the text and knew what took place
First off CLASS REP
Danganronpa V3 was by far the best in the franchise in my opinion.
So wait, the best cast is somehow the worst cast? What do you even mean???
Also, the Epilogue suggested that the Danganronpa 1-3 did happen. (Do people just ignore the epilogue or something) Not only that, but the prologue also suggested that they were indeed kidnapped (or at least suggested that it was a possibility).
Not only that, but the book on the history of the Hope's Academy was a most likely a real book, considering it holds only public information. Hence why it makes no mention of events of SDR2, as it wouldn't make sense for such a private Killing Game to be public information.
Also, you are straight-up wrong. You don't need the motive to prove guilt. What you need is a guilty act and a guilty mind, aka. Actus Rea and Mens Rea. Mens Rea, is all about the intention to do the crime, not the motive behind the crime. However motive is preferable to have when you are trying to prove to a jury, but legally speaking not needed.
However, since this is Danganronpa, you do not even need Mens Rea, since in Danganronpa manslaughter and self-defense are counted for murders. So all together with the claim that you need motive, is BS. Also, the reason why the investigator use motive to find suspects because practically speaking everybody in the world is a suspect. However, in Danganronpa, they are in a closed environment. That means opportunity and method are much more important for finding the correct suspect, as motive is intended to reduce thousands upon thousands of possible suspects.
This video just has a bunch of strange things about it, like the Junko thing... Because the game kinda points out the cliche to begin with and most of all... It's not Junko, the character literally doesn't believe Junko exists (or maybe she does, considering how Tsumigi hints that she is just a copy cat).
Like I could actually break down the majority of this video... Except for Case 3, because fuck Case 3, that shit was some ol' BS. Like so many things about that case is complete BS. But then again Case 3s in DR seem to be cursed to be the worst case in every DR game. (And I do agree that Case 1 hid the culprit in such BS way and that sort of sucked)
I consider V3 to be the best DR game to date.
Unfortunately I don’t know how to link it on mobile, but TV Tropes gave a couple examples of times when Kodaka debunked the “message to the fanbase” theory and remarked on what the actual interpretation was supposed to be, while also saying that the development team was “concerned” about how people kept taking it negatively like that. The rest of the video was pretty much fine, but I feel like you should’ve probably checked yourself before claiming something that’s already been disproven.
That intro B)
I enjoyed it honestly. I also think cause of the ultra despair girls. Easter egg they arent done yet
I think that there are good and bad things about this game the cases were interesting the executions were brutal and the cast was fantastic but the way they executed the ending was really bad and ruined the game for me but I still had fun and that’s all that mattered
You can bet they can do an Ultra Despair Girls 2 in VR when the PSVR2 launches and use a narrative of how you are now stuck in that fictional world and need to figure out which layer of which reality you are on to get out, back to the real world we personally live in. Basically a “get your head out of the game” meta which is one beyond what V3 did but also in a medium the series hasn’t tried yet.
I’m calling it now, it’s so simple how they could continue the series with using a larger spectacle. It’s setup is as simple as a new war between the viewers who quit not wanting their favorite series to see go away after V3 and bam…instant set up for a new action game. 🤣 I should be on the writing team. There would easily be enough people who would buy that I could sell the idea. It’s not like the PSVR2 is even out yet and this being a title that took a spin-off to the fricking Vita of all places would totally think ahead to help with a launch title for that new VR system.
Holy shit that John cena joke was terrible
I get all the references but Hope Jesus.
Is "Hope Jesus" from a show or something or did he just mean "Jesus"?
Horse Sauce watch the parodys on this channel its actually pretty AWESOME
Hope Jesus is Nagito's Lord and Savior, sometimes known as Pope Jesus. Praise Pope Jesus!
The graphics looks nice though
Why is there an American play behind the bro-names. Aren't they Japanese.
It's always interesting to see how different people think of certain characters
I can agree with a lot of your statements, but I still think that Gonta and Himiko are great characters, Gonta is a really loyal character that is too naive for his own good, Himiko is still a child and not helpful at all, but after some time she really tries to help and starts to reflect on her own behavior so I think there is a character development to be found
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I liked the ending as well I don't think that Junko is the villain in this game, I interpreted Tsumugi to be the master mind who is just imitating Junko Furthermore I think that the first two games were "real" events in the Danganronpa universe and only V3 takes place in a game show But I guess that's up to interpretation
You don't have to get angry at my interpretation, like I said in my first sentence "It's always interesting to see how different people think of certain characters"
I just have a different opinion than you
As they are no "real" class they don't have to be the same age, these are just mostly random teenagers that participate in this killing game so why would they necessarily have the same age?
It's possible that the game implies Gonta to be younger than Himiko, I don't know, if it does I must have missed it
And as I said, I really like Himiko's character so I agree with you saying she gives emotional support, I just meant she wasn't that much of a help in finding the culprits
And I have the right to critique a game as much as I want, just like anyone else and not everyone has to agree with that
1. I did pay attention, nobody can notice every single detail the first time around, I'm not god you know
2. I just talked about my interpretation of the game and the characters, it has nothing to do with lying, it's just how I see the game
I do understand you mean well to educate me but try to be less angry and let other people have opinions too
We don't have to agree, it's what makes the world go 'round (:
Jewell thanks for the apology. The thing is that I assumed they would be high schoolers but in different classes. I came to that conclusion because Rantaro was in the killing game the year before Danganronpa V3, so he wouldn't technically be in the other people's class, would he? Because he must be slightly older at least a year. So I thought that they do not have to be the same age, which would confirm that Gonta is younger than the others(I might really have missed this in the text) So can't Himiko be in like I don't know in Junior high school in like grade 7 or something like that? That would make her like 14 years old right? (I'm not quite sure about that because I'm not that familiar with the high school systems of Japan or the United States and I'm not sure to which on it refers in the English translation after all) I do realize that even 14 would make her a teenager but a pretty "young" one, assuming that other characters might be like 17 years old or something like that.
But I sure get your point that they all have about the same age.
Maybe I can change what I wrote in my first post from "she's a child" to "she's often acting childish"? Maybe that's more accurate after all.
Sure she does provide useful clues for the others to solve some of the trials, but she never really seems to connect the clues to get to the solution herself
@@moved596 There are childish teenagers. It doesn't help that being a magician, she has to convince everyone else that what she does is magic. Like most magicians do.
She might be a crap character to you, however people like her could legit exist. Unless you want all the characters to be someone you'd like?
@@moved596 Jewell I didn't specifically meant to only mean you. That's why I stated that you "might" find her to be a crap character. However, I'm stating in a general sense. There are plenty of people that don't like Himiko simply for being Himiko.
I apologise if you took my words for face value though.
"BIIIITCH"
Other people are arguing over True Review's opinions and if they're right or wrong, and I'm over here arguing that he's a total closet weeb.
I was searching for a NDRV3 review to see if anyone could say to me the downsides of this game logically, based on evidence. I saw many videos complementing this game after all so i thought "Yeah, it must have some major mistake? After all i can see it", but i just got a lot of opinion based argues here (of course, because it's just a "rant")...And some with evidence like the part of the crossbow and all, but only that...
Hey how dere you rant danganronpa v3
Honestly, i think v3's ending was a good twist, but it kinda makes the other games' events feel less... heavy. Like, if it was all a game, if none of it actually happened, it kinda cheapens it.
What about V3's twist ending was good?
@@flygonkerel781 thematically, it’s brilliant, the idea of deconstructing your own franchise to end it is pretty bold. Trying to protray the relationship between your audience and the games and parallel it with the characters could have been a really gripping experience and even thought provoking.
The whole game being about lies vs truths and hammering it til the end makes the reveal of their stories being fabricated something thematically adequate, and could even be existentialist, had it been done with a little bit of tact, exploring the true nature of reality and how both truths and lies are part of it. And the fact that the trial could have let you guessing what was real and what wasn’t is something not many projects can do.
That being said, the writing is god awful and the execution lacks subtlety, depth or any semblance of logic. The idea of also involving the first two games, and how it goes above and beyond to make everything feel pointless just makes the ending unsatisfying (one of the worst things a mystery novel can be) and frustrating (because, even if it isn’t what it could have been, the beginning of the trial, doing a rerun on Kaede’s case, is incredible imo).
It’s baffling how this game does everything in its power to try and portray itself as a massive waste of time that can’t have any meaning or emotion driven from.
well to be fair true review the true mastermind wasnt either tsumigi or junko but rather the audience who enjoyed the killing games
danganronpa has always been bad with motives. the characters tend to do things because the story says so. and unlike ace attonery where each case has a different cast so it can write a story around them danganronpa has the same set of characters
so it feels like a character has to do something out of character if they are the murderer.
danganronpa is cool in the moment but falls apart when you think about it deeper.
Gontas best boy
The twist actually implies that Tsumugi is lying about the whole fictional bullshit and the outside world is nothing like she describe. They just don’t outright say it
Dame right
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21:20 They did explain that the first 2 are just games and then anime to later be form to a televise real fiction. Did you forgot the line? Guess so, since it doesn't matter.
Not onlythat there were clues thrown all over the game. For example, when Shuichi and Maki see the murder case files in his Lab Maki notices there are 52 files and Shuichi notices all the old files had illustrations and not real photographs. Shuichi then wonders if perhaps the implication is that the older cases are fictional cases. This is the most in our face foreshadowing of the big reveal because the murder case files in the Ultimate Detective'sLab are actually a collection of all the murders comitted in the 52 titles of Danganronpa, with the earlier titles being games and anime hence 100% fictional (thus illustrated and not photographed).
The fact that later cases have real photos also serves as a reminder that Real FIction is still Real Life. They are not a bunch of 1's and 0's in a program, nor some anime. They are just sixteen real life individuals who lost their memories and were implanted with entirely new memories of their past. The whole crap with Tsumugi trying to convince them they are fiction is actually a dicussion of semantics in the end. The mastermind claims that since their basic personality and their whole memory of their lives was "written" by someone else, they might as well be "fictional" even if they have real bodies. They were merely trying to make them fall deeper into despair by getting them to accept they are not real anymore and have no future to live for. Sadly for them Shuichi basically flipped the board on them and realized, if they had no future to live for, then they might as well use their lives to stop others from going through the same ordeals they did.
Miu and Tsumugi could have been strangulation and serial
You haven't made a rant or anything about UDG. :c there's soooo much I could've shat on in that game. Ffs.
Yeah, it wasn't the best game in the series.
True Review yea. I was disappointed in it. Very much. I blame FUCKING MONICA. ARGH. She killed my will to get the game itself.
V3 the only reason I'd get it is cause of the weird love hotel thingy. I played the demo. And it was awful cause they didnt tell us the pc controls. I don't own a controller. So it was absolute bullshit.
Also like... The "ult detective" kirigiri will always be the true ult detective. Shuichi is just an imposter
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I really enjoyed Ultra Despair Girls, except for all the things I hated about it. Overall, the things I liked outweighed what I disliked.
Imo it's the 2nd best game in the franchise but your opinion
10:50 very specific yes, but please try to be careful with blatanly false statements like calling it "literally pixel perfect". If that was truly the case no one would ever be able to pass the trial, trust me... this ain't a 16-bit game
dude, i mostly agree with your opinion, but it pissed me off when you said gonta was bland. like dude, i know you don't care about my opinion or whatever.. but it's called a free time event...
Kiyo: *sister*
Wtf was their incest fetish in this game lmao that wasmt as bad as the monosuke/monphanie shit
I agree with most of the stuff you said here. Though, I'm shocked you didn't address how "Junko" was being a snarky little shit when she was revealed to allegedly be the mastermind.
But more importantly, while the ending isn't as good as the other games, Tsumugi being the mastermind and blending into the background makes a bit of sense. Like how Kiibo was an audience surrogate and camera, what if Tsumugi was a way for viewers to project themselves for those that didn't or couldn't vote. Bit of a stretch on my part though. Though everything being fiction and a "lie" and her being a cosplayer do weirdly go hand in hand
S E E S A W
Praise hope jesus \o/
lol I played this entire game on a pc. And it was unresponsive as shit, makes me hate this game even more than I already do.
v3 was rushed plain and simple
Metaphorically, you may think that, but it's quite the opposite. DR2 was the most rushed one, in fact. The 3rd trial was so bad because it was rushed. Fuyuhiko was originally gonna die and Hiyoko would have been a survivor but they thought that would make Peko's death pointless so they switched it last minute. That's why it seemed like Hiyoko was getting character development just to die in Chapter 3. Also, DR2 had a development time of only around 1 year while V3 had around 2.
if you want to know why they say all fiction and you talk about it alot?one word:despair
Hold on, why wouldn't being an assassin or a supreme leader not be a talent like both of them literally take talent to be good at-
I don't think you summed up this in review, but after all that critique you can say that writting quality took a massive downfall and not up to par to other 2 games. In first trial you instantly spot the mysterious door in girl's toilet, and generally it all leads to Tsumugi but then they decide that Kaede got the kill with the most convoluted way possible(and then in last chapter game blatantly laughs at you for believing so).
Second kill is no less idiotic in a way that culprit transported victim's body in such convoluted way and didn't thougth about braking until the last second. Hell, you could even use his hat to slow down.
Third kill is downright stupid cause you know who is the killer while killing is happening(and you can't stop it).
Fourth kill happens cause detective and his friends can't spot malicious intent and do not suspect anyone before class trials, and even then writer can't stop applauding to how smart he is for a really obvious secret in the case, while making culprit downright random.
The fifth case is the only one I found good in this game, coudn't settle down for answer until the conclusion(cause after all that preparation they could mess up with you even more, creating a signs of a changeup and end up not doing it on purpose).
And then writer decides to break everything down, but for what? For bringing up philosophical idea that fiction can influence people? I think people think about it when they are twelve. But even then it's not all.
In process he takes a huge dump on the player for playing morally questionable games and enjoying it(and if you think that wasn't their intent, think about it again. Even mediocre author would think about this because the parallels he draws between the player and the audience is too close, also developers test their games and it's not possible that even one tester not pointed that out), destroys all immersion that game ever had and even shits even more on his characters.
After major events of the game Shuichi is too psychologicaly strong and self-sufficient to give up on himself and not question everything Tsumugi says(what a detective). And even if audience gave up on this game, what stops them from watching the next one and enjoying it? People already knew that murders were real, they still enjoyed it and even wanted to took part in it.
So to sum everything up: Kodaka(main writer of the game) started thinking too highly of himself and tried to make another crazy ending half-heartedly while dropping the ball on everything else. Everything, from characters and setting to murder themselves were negatively affected while ending was a massive dissapointment and an ego stroke.
Fuck me if I buy another DR game without reading and watching people reviews.
There's two people in my opinion that I was glad they're dead was of course Tenko and Miu
Tenko was just not interesting for me and felt a little annoying but she was funny with her faces which kept me liking her and disliking her
Miu oh boy how much I hate her she was annoying as hell with all her sexual things on men just made me want scream in the pillow at how much her character and personality she was
Again this is my opinion
Half of this video is just a combination of "I couldn't figure out X before the reveal, is bad!",
"Characters that I like died!", or a gross simplification of a character. Interesting opinion and thoughts though, 'twas quite the watch!
@@maverickdarkrath4780 Blandest isn't the right word...
Ahhah
Nc
Video
Parody pls
They could have pulled the exact same ending without shitting in the previous dr characters, the devs crearly wanted to make fans mad or just use the characters because fuck it, awfull ending for a very good franchise.
Choza de thunder no its because they wanted to end this series and now anlther game (which isnt a spinoff) wouldnt feel right because we have the feeling its a fiction anyway so no "real" persons or connections can be made unlike the other games. atleast thats my point of view to the ending
Even kodaka said everything was based about lies and everyone assumes that what tsumugi said was truth
Pretty sure Kodaka has said otherwise
I hated V3 and the V3 fandom.
YESSSSSSS
I love the ending but I agree with your points about Spike Chunsoft doing this crap. It was too predictable.
Kokichi would’ve been fucking awful as the mastermind. Also, for the second game Akane was going to be the mastermind.
Theres so much that I dont like about V3. The monokubs are useless and are just comic relief. The overuse the song "new world order"(which should only be used for major plot reveals or moments of resolve. Also while the twist that the mastermind really killed (spoilers) and also that really no one had to die does the job of adding despair, its still badly executed
i hate the ending too
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"I got the impression from chapter three that the writers had run out of ideas, and were just making it up as they went along."
Congratulations, you got the point of the game. Or at least you should have.
The game is the writers saying to us, "Hey, we're running out of ideas, we've finished the story, we can't do this anymore." It's not them telling you to fuck off. They ran out of ideas so they had to come up with outlandish scenarios. This was a 'what if' situation where there were 53 Danganronpas, the writers ran out of ideas, and the fans became entitled.
I would love to counter... however... with what I learnt, those who aren't interested in their beliefs to be changed don't want to learn about the contradictions regardless.
I'd just be wasting my time.
V3 is bland as hell not to mention how Kokichi is Nazi coded like what the fuck....
This seems really nit picky.
As I’ve stated before, people who don’t like this game and it’s ending are people who don’t get it and usually seem to take the exact opposite meaning from things that were explicitly stated. I’ve never seen someone dislike this game who didn’t fall into this hole of somehow playing a version of this game that is opposite from itself in every way or was just whiny about things that didn’t make sense.
"you just don't get it" lmfao ok
1:19 this is a killing game not suitable for kids I hate this game it's where they commit death and poisonous cupcakes they stab people kill people and more that is really evil
V3 gets a 5/10 for me. Its really bad for a DR game
None of the characters were good. They were all clones of the previous casts.