Meh I say the marelians are the Villains. The Eldians have been minding their own business for 107 years the marelians are the ones who started the current conflict when they sent the warriors to the island. Not to mention marely have been all around assholes
@@Bluruu Grisha wasn't a good father.. He focused on his goals more and forgot that Zeke was still a very young child. At the same time I don't know if I'd completely excuse Zeke's actions. And I'm definitely not on board with his plan as I find it very wrong to do to anyone.
@@Bluruu True... it's an odd dichotomy, philosophy. Though I agree with Levi, sure there's suffering but there's also happiness. Not to mention I can't go with Zeke since he's taking away innocents freedom.
I think he has been manipulated and he only thinks he's smart. He's also complicit and cowardly which seems like he's always been that way since he was young. He snitched on the whole squad to save his own neck because he didn't want to fight for his own freedom. He is the clear villain in this story despite his incredibly one sided view of life. I mean the Eldians of Paradise wasnt bothering anyone thanks to the Titan threat.
@@ShakaZ3D impossible he's not fighting with Eren against the titan army. His view completely shift along side with Eren. Im generally confused the major thing they said, when Eren and Zeke touch (Zeke got royal blood) it would unlock everyone memory. I think they want humans alice and killing all people who has the ability to turn into titan to rid the problem completely.
Zeke is a weak coward. He hates himself so much he strips others abilities to make decisions for themselves. He's so pathetic he's a character you feel empathy for.
Sure he is intelligent but his emotions take over that intelligence. He makes it seem like he is thinking for the good of all Eldians because he found a solution but in truth, he is just relieving himself of his own suffering. Imo, it's feigning selfishness and cowardice with intelligence.
And then instead of mercy killing Mike, calmly allows him to be ripped apart by those titans and die a long and cruel death as he feels himself being eaten alive.
We empathise with Paradis because nearly all the named characters are Eldians, but if Eldians existed in our world we'd most likely want them dead as well, despite knowing they're human like us.
i believe that peace and freedom should be fullfilled between eldians and humans its just like how we live in our world right now, there are still lots of people who view other people as enemies just because of what happened in the world wars.
No we would classify the serum which converts them into brainless titans and take those 9 intelligent titans under high security until they die and search for new borns after them.
We don’t know if Levi is actually dead or not. Hange said he was dead most likely so that Floch wouldn’t shoot him in the head and finish the job. The next time we see Hange will probably tell us if Levi is really dead or not.
Lokiofasgard nah its more like Inside the walls: eren: actually god, worshipped reiner: understood to be forced to be against them outside the walls: eren: big giant threat, strongest person ever/? reiner: just another warrior
*spoilers* Lumos he’s kinda trying to either a. Unleash a hoard of colossal titans on the world b. sterilize all the eldians c. Both a and b d. Something else that’s similar or completely different
*bigger spoilers* Lumos somewhere between where season 3 ended and where season 4 will start he became basically Jesus and allied himself with Zeke, his brother. Zeke wants the sterilization while Eren (I think) wants to flex Eldia’s might with the colossal titan’s in the wall. We honestly don’t know what Eren is really trying to do but there’s a chance that it’s neither. But the actions he’s taken so far just makes him look shadier than he is
It’s sad when people say “Ugh AOT is so mainstream and overhyped” But like...it’s hyped and popular for a reason. because the story telling is PHENOMENAL and the characters are so complex and flawed and likeable and nothing is black and white with this anime/manga. It’s why I just roll my eyes when people wanna be “edgy” and hate on it. You can hate it. but if you hate it because it’s “popular” I can’t take you seriously. So I won’t stop loving this anime/manga because it’s DAMN GOOD
Death Note and Dragon Ball both held these distinctions. Along with Naruto, Bleach and one Piece. Each to varying Degrees. DN and DB had hate the most dumped on them, the Big 3 brought in a lot of fans and hate. AoT is essentially just another Death Note, and Dragon Ball before it. Every 10-20 years an anime so good shows up and instant hate, but eventually the heat dies down and it becomes a classic. The ending is where we find out for sure though. The Big 3 2 have had rocky ends, where the third hasn’t ended. If AOT follows DB and DN with perfect endings though, we’ll finally have a Big Legendary 3 instead of 2.
Aot is great but is really overated and mostly by new anime fans which the only animes the watch are aot and demon slayer and they be saying it's the best anime ever and it's really annoying.Aot is great but nowhere close to be the best anime especially after that ending.Right now what I would say to be the best is Monster by Naoki Urasawa. and best manga goes to berserk by Kentaro Miura
Um, I don't know about you, but Zeke is my absolute favourite character. He's badass, he's incredible smart, I just admire his personality and how good he's written. Somehow, I like him more than most other characters, but that doesn't mean, that they are bad written. Zeke takes the top place in my opinion, especially after the latest chapter.
Doflamingo from One Piece said it best during the Marineford Arc: "Those who stand at the top can decide the definition of 'evil'... " & "Justice will triumph, you say? Of course it will! Because the winners will become justice!"
It's been said before Donflamingo. This type of ideology is basically a moral relativism. Plenty of french postmodernist philosophers were of this belief.
@Conrad Kujur The writing is strong, so many good meaningful and powerful quotes, great characters. Some filler arcs might be meh sometimes, but overall One Piece has a good story!
1.So if a hero saves civilian trying to commit suicide does he become a villian? 2.If a hero stops destruction of a city with asking the civilian if they want to live or not does he become a villian? If you think for my 2nd scenario that most people would want to live so the hero is doing heroic actions. Then Zeke is hero to Eldian and the world as Eldian regret been born and rest of world fear and hate Eldian.
@@averagemcocplayer213 well.....as his video started out.....with that is a matter of perspective. In Zeke case he basically said to end your future suffering I'll make the choice for you and make it so you can't he born. Thanos was no different. While what he was saying made sense....its how he achieves that good that makes him the evil/villian. Saving someone who wants to commit suicide isnt wrong but like everything else it's all perspective.
@@Jaye3rd89 Thanos killed half the universe. Probably painless death. Zeke on other is preventing Eldian from being born who are mostly destined to suffering. As they never were born they don't die. You cant say Zeke action are good or bad as millions of sperm try to fight for life but only 1 survives others die you could say. If you think Zeke method is evil than even sex( the way everyone is born is bad). Trillions of sperm are dying comparing to Zeke potentially death count it's nothing. In short Zeke action are not wrong or evil as he is not killing or harming sentient life.
I can relate to Zeke's childhood suffering. Forcefully being brainwashed to believe something you disagree with, but he's no different than his father if he's forcing his own philosophy onto others. It comes full circle. There is no right or wrong in this story, and I love it.
That's all well and good for zeke and his philosophy but it's never right to make a decision of death for other people once they're capable of decisions themselves.
Didn't Commander Erwin make a choice like this for the soldiers under his commands. Although he was the same situation or circimstances. The 145 th king is no different either, to stop the great titan war. According to willy tybur: he team up with the tybur family and manipulated and defeated the other titans. decided to move a portion of his people to an island and his government oppress anyone who try to change the status quo; (the ackerman and the asian clan whose memories could not be erased suffer discrimination bind the walls. He deciced what was best for everyone too.
He is obviously a very psychologicaly damaged individual. Zeke is very cynical, egoistic, sadistic dick (same as Annie who was smiling when she was killing survey corps soldiers) but at the same time given his childhood experiences his personality and ideology are understandable and expected, that's why he is such intriguing character from a psychological standpoint.
@@gameo360 gotta read the manga. Zeke has always been on Eldias side. His parents were already discovered. Zeke snitched to save his an his grandparents lives so that he can continue the restorationists mission.
Love what you said at 16:40, I remember in chapter 108, Hange said "The world wants Paradis to be the root of all evil. It helps bring them together." What you said about it being naive to think getting rid of Paradis will solve everyone else's problems really adds to that quote. The world has Paradis to blame now and unite them, but what about after? They no longer have a common enemy, so they will be divided by greed of resources and more. Great video!
Never knew I needed this until now!! Thank youuuu Thanks for all the likes!! Another video request though: This is off point but would you please make a review on Erin’s vision? On the first episode he was sleeping but he had a dream of so many things and then mikasa woke him up. NOBODY is talking about this but I’d really like to know about the correlation, thank youuu
Gina Malba personally, I think the dream that Eren wakes up from, is the life of him in the future. Think about it: Eren is practically the antagonist now, and Mikasa disagrees with his way of thinking. The dream he has, even though we only see a tiny bit of it, is Mikasa saying “goodnight Eren.” And eren wakes up, and asks Mikasa why her hair is so long. How does Mikasa look now, after the time skip? Yup, her hair is short. So I think he’s seeing the future in his dream, when Mikasa will choose to kill Eren to end the suffering that he’s causing.
TMarsera NewLimit yeah, I saw another analysis video on Zeke but all he talked about was how evil Zeke is and how much he hates Eldians... which isn’t true at all.. he pitties them and wants to relieve them from their suffering.
@@danielvine6810 He doesnt pity them. He wants to get rid of them through euthanasia like they are just animals. All humans in this world can be a pain, but do we need to euthanize them to relive them of their suffering? Only if you are like the Nazis.
@Link's AMV Lol its like an exterminator saying how he pities rats and ants before he sprays them with pesticides. Or how butchers pity chicken before he slashed the neck of the animal to drain his blood. Words are cheap. Even sociopaths and Ted Bundy said he pities some of his victims. There is no bias when it comes to a scumbag, branwashed or not, killing innocent people. He is a dangerous animal that needs to be eliminated. Would you pity Bertholdt if hes about to squash your entire family? Is he just a misunderstood shy boy? I doubt.
@Link's AMV Zeke is a sociopath. Seems you have failed your homework kid. A sociopath acts without remorse and doesnt feel guilt. He thinks his solution to the Eldians, which is to wipe them out, is righteous. Wiping out an entire race or group of people aka genocide are the works of sociopaths like Hitler and Pol Pot. They think killing people en masse is justified as long as it fulfills their desire for a change. If you think this is not wrong then there is something wrong with you. Maybe the S word also applies to you?
Zeke's trope is not new however and it is commonly used in Japanese anime or even video games. There's a name for his philosophy and it is called 'negative utilitarianism', whereby the goal is not to increase happiness for all, but to reduce suffering, even if it means killing people. Examples of negative utilitarianism are like Zeke from AOT, Sephiroth from FF7, and Pain from Naruto. All these characters suffered and therefore developed such views. Euthanasia is a good example and we euthanise animals who are suffering and there are places where people can be euthanised too. But it is one thing to euthanise an individual who is asking for death and suffering, versus euthanising an entire race who are actively fighting to live and clueless (i.e. they are not suffering, at least not yet). Pain from Naruto puts it very well by saying, "I want the world to experience my pain because only pain can stop the wars and bring peace". This is wrong on so many levels but at least it is the most honest account of characters like these. These people are not genuinely altruistic, that's just a way they convince themselves that they're still the 'good guy'. These people are ANGRY and ANGRY as HELL... They are essentially saying, "if I can't have what I want, then nobody can either!!!". When was the last time you heard this from a child? Exactly. This is a very child-like way of thinking and people who are traumatised at an early age tend to experience a disruption in psychological development thus they never outgrow their child-like mentality. All three characters (Zeke, Sephiroth, and Pain) all suffered when they're children. Most importantly, they have to be traumatised at an age when they have a relatively well-developed 'theory of mind', that is the ability to see another person as a separate object. Only then, can they develop ANGER for the OTHER person who is harming them. Very young children can't do this, but teenagers are very prone to anger and violence because they have a good theory of mind but their brains aren't developed enough to control their anger. However, negative utilitarianism is just a philosophy, it is not a personality. The fact that Zeke wants to kill the Eldians is a reflection of his philosophy, but him laughing about it is something else. Pain from Naruto actually looks miserable killing people, Sephiroth shows no emotions whatsoever, and all these are personality factors. Zeke is most likely also a psychopath, that is, one who doesn't have any emotions and thus allows them to pursue their goals with a rare single-mindedness. Psychopathy can be inherited, and Grisha may have psychopathic traits too.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 it’s not that hard to look into real life and you see the same shit. The USA fear of communism and their selfishness to accept other forms of government, caused the Vietnam war and later caused them to intervene in the Korean War. Also their intervention in Latin American and some parts of the Middle East and Africa
One criticism of negative utilitarianism I heard is from R. Ninian Smart who said: “negative utilitarianism would entail that a ruler who is able to instantly and painlessly destroy the human race would have a duty to do so” Not that far from Zeke’s end goal who shares the same plan but for the Eldians.
His philosophy is evil too. The Eldians have a right to exist and they shouldn't be euthanize because the Malayians refuse to accept them. Not having children is torture, you don't realize how important human connection is until you are missing it. Look at Half-Life, everyone is absolutely miserable. Zeke wants to torture the Eldians with his philosophy, it would be better to follow the 45th king's philosophy than follow Zeke's.
@@whoisheiforgothisname2103 not more evil than Eren's way of doing things. Zeke just wants to stop the abuse to the eldian race, and this is his way of doing that. I think his solution is the most kind of all the ones presentes in AOT.
I love Zeke as a character! I can easily agree with his philosophy but at the same time it’s a bit messed up. But you can’t blame the guy for being like this after his terrible past!
From a story perspective, Zeke's an amazing villan. But outside from that, Zeke is just a person with a philosophy that was shaped by the environment and people that were around him.
Damn! this was a magnificent video!! when you said who was Zeke to push his philosophy onto others, it reminded me of a mindset I once had in the past...
The moment I watched ep 15 of Final Season (Zeke's backstory- Sole salvation), my views on Zeke literally flipped by 180° and now he's one of my favourite characters in AoT!!
@@alkan68 From what I remember Pain thought wars would stop if there were no people, so his solution was to kill everyone right? Tell me if I'm wrong because I haven't watch Naruto in years.
I think Eren is dangerously close to adopting a philosophy that's similar but in direct opposition to Zeke. It's just a matter of what is he willing to do and just how far is he willing go to obtain that freedom.
Zeke is my second favorite after Reiner, also the most underrated character even though he is a key character. People generally are shallow when he's being mentioned and like to only emphasize on how he's "scared" of Levi, Zeke didn't get many scenes in the anime but the episode about his backsory has shown how much his story is complex and deep.
Zeke is one of the most unique and complex characters in the series. It disappoints me that the fan base make fun of him due to his defeats to levi. To be frank it would have been better had Levi lost in the forest.
The fan base is dumb if they do that. For one thing, levi always had the advantage whenever they fought each other and people forget that if by chance zeke had managed to land one hit on levi with his powerful arms, then Levi would be dead. Levi only won due to good strategy and sacrifice of his team mates.
Hes evil tho. remember the time he killed one guy by letting the titans eat him. If he wanted to end their suffering wouldnt he have killed him quikly?
In the end Zeke's plan would of had eldians living peaceful lives being able to have partners and not being able to procreate having them go extinct essentially. His plan was a lot better than whatever Eren's plan was
This was an awesome vid man. every fan who doesn't already know this should see this video. The anime dont even come close to explaining Zekes actual beliefs and point of view. Thank man really glad I saw this.
This comment will probably be lost in the void but I dont see a lot of people talking about that but since titan shifter are influenced by the last one i think zeke is more than influenced by the owner of the last beast titan. Like the titan following the royal line in paradis island that chose to become passif after inheriting the will of the king. Maybe he just wanted to save the eldian but after inheriting the beast titan, still following his philosophy while warping it, his way of saving the eldian changed.
Shadow Hunter in a way, they have the same philosophy of salvation through population sacrifice like erasing half of universe and erasing the entire eldian race by basically making them sterile
@@srankoutcast348 was it now, have you read the comics then?? Thanos in the comics is one twisted mf at least in the movies his actions were justified, he did it for the universe not himself.
It is definitely worth watching, although i would suggest to just go ahead and read the manga. If you are able to imagine the lines of the characters as their voices its not too different from the anime (IMO!) I'm not going to spoil anything. All i can say is that im eagerly waiting for the next (gdamned monthly) chapter to come out. :))
Watching today's episode led me to this video cuz i wanted to know how's zeke related to eren and what is their purpose ahead❤️ ur video os way ahead of time 🔥🔥
I can’t see Zeke as a villain. Just a hero with another perspective. If we ignore the present, if Zeke gets what he wants, he will fully save the world from the horrors and the fear of Titans. He would save the world form their hundreds of years of war. Sure, what he is doing is still horrible, but would knowingly letting Eldians keep living and passing on the Titan gene bring a better future? Wouldn’t that bring on more horrors and more people overall would be releaved from Titans? I believe it is a cruel step to achieve peace and the fact that not many people will ever agree with Zeke is more of a reason why I believe he SHOULD win (I’m not going to claim he will win). It’s a effective solution that is very rare to find someone who accepts its outcome and carry it out. Everyone else would choose to let the horrors live on and plague the future. BUUUUT, I can’t remember if this was addressed in the manga, but can’t Zeke use his Royal Blood and Eren’s Coordinate to REMOVE the Titan gene? He aims to sterilise everyone magically. Why can’t he with the same process, just remove all Eldians ability to become a Titan at all? Because that would be a better solution, but I am guessing it’s too good to be true?
Getting rid of the Titan serum would be nice then kill all the remaining titans if possible then bam world peace unless the Marleyan's just can't live with the eldians
ace 2146 it’s not just as easy as “destroy all Titan Syrums” the founding Titan can always just command their people to turn into Titans anyways and if a royal blood were to own the founding Titan they can literally manipulate anything to their will. Zeke was able to make his own Titan syrum by extracting from his own spinal fluid and feed it to Eldians.. as Long as any form of Eldians are alive, the threat of Titans will never die.
I'm not siding up with Zeke. Just imagine those innocent Eldians suddenly DYING from Zeke's actions. He's ignorant. In my opinion. And I think your points are really well done. I always thought that he's wrong, but just couldn't pin-point why. Like, we know he's very smart, but to think he could come up with something as reckless as this. Maybe, this was from his outcome of childhood (A.K.A raised by Grisha)
@@ltrt6975 Which is what you call passive extermination. Imagine this happened in real life. Your country will cease to exist after 100+ years. And then you realize, yeah that Zeke dude is a scumbag.
@@PlyrMava. he isn't stupid, but he is weak minded emotionally. eradicating a group of people not for what they've done, but for what they could do, is ignorant. Unless those "people" are goblins.
@@hiraeth437 I don't think he wants to end the Eldian race just because of the things they could do. But for him, the things the world could do to the Eldian people is equally bad as the things Eldians could do with their titans. In Zeke's perspective, to live as an Eldian is to suffer hate from literally the whole world, is to never being accepted by anyone. He's not just worried with what the Eldians could do with the titans, bringing suffering for other people and causing wars, but he thinks that it's not worth to live a life where you will be hated and treated like shit by the entire mankind. (Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that he is right or he has the right to decide by himself the future of an entire race, I'm just explaning that he is doing what he thinks is the best and peaceful outcome for both Eldia and the world, doesn't mean it's actually the right thing to do.)
Sanyukta Gokhale btw I should mention that I don’t wanna diminish your observation because that was a really keen connection you drew between the beast he would eventually become and the beast doll be played with as a kid, possibly a tool for Grisha to groom Zeke with. Like showing Zeke how the beasts limbs move and getting him prepared for the tactics he’s likely to have to employ. Maybe? Idk if Grisha would have access to that information at that time actually. Point is that that was a great observation, like the previous comment said.
Zeke is a 11/10 character in this story due to his philosophy, psychology, and complexity of character throughout the story from his experiences. Still extremley pissed at him for what he did to Miche and everyone else.
I disagree with Zeke. He’s bullying Reiner and Berthold into killing humans inside the wall, I also agree with your points as well. Makes for an interesting story though.
Thanks for the thorough analysis. I believe Tom Xavier had the most influence on Zeke's character at such a young age. You can almost say Zeke was brainwashed by him! That is the main reason for Zeke's philosophy of euthanization. Of course his dad's negligence played a part in it too, but it was all Tom's philosophy that left its mark on Zeke at a young age and shaped his future views on the world. I believe Eren will be able to change that bu his firm believes.
And trust me, a lot of people have went through that train of thought at least once in their lives. There's no right answer to the question of life, at least to my knowledge, but the answer you come up with once you've thought long enough about it will define who you really are. Life is neither a curse nor a blessing. It's a question. You decide what it is to you.
This was such a good video. I love Zeke and I can emphasize with him alot. But now comes my point. I love Grisha too. Now why is that, well here's the thing When Zeke turns Grisha and Dina in, Grisha never once blames Zeke, never once gets mad. He accepts it, he realizes the consequences of his actions and realizes that he screwed up, bad. He admits that he was a Terrible father and regrets what he did to Zeke that he did the exact same thing his father did to him. (Sidenote Grisha was in love with Dina and when Dina died, he was crying his eyes out and wishes that it had been him and not her) But here's what I love aboit Grisha, he learns from his mistakes and grows as a person. Once he got to Paradise, when inside the wall, met and fell in love with Carla and had Eren. He never once forced any ideology onto Eren, he kept all of his work secret and from what we have seen Grisha cared deeply for Eren and Carla. He was a good father to him. It was only after Eren showed any interest on going outside the wall, Did Grisha want to show Eren the Basement (If you go on the Attack Titan wiki, Grisha has a 8 out of 10 for love of family). Mikasa and Armin even vouch for Grisha and said that "Dr.Yeager was a good man". You see it's only after the Warriors break down the wall that everything unravels. Grisha realizes that time is running out, he goes to the Reiss chapel and begs/pleads with Freida to save the people from the Titans. But Freida being bound by Karl Fritz Will, she refuses. Grisha, out of desperation of not wanting to fail his missions given by Kruger and not wanting to lose another family, steals the Founding Titan and kills the Reiss family. He finds Eren later and when he learns that Carla was eaten by a Titan... His eyes show so much hurt and pain. He had lost another love, another wife. Another family. He reverts back to his younger self and goes into the woods and turns Eren into a Titan and Grisha gets eaten. That is really the tragedy of Grisha Yeager if you think about it
But how did eren remember his mom being eaten but not him being turned into a titan and eating his father until later on in the story? Plus after eren’s mom gets eaten by the smiling titan, Hanes (or however you spell it) takes mikasa and eren away into the second wall
@@AresJay23 I'm sorry I am confused by your comment becauee I never once mentioned Hannes or the Smiling Titan. It was about the evolution of Grisha as a person and character but okay. Eren remembers his mother being eaten because he saw it happen right in front of him. He didnt remember his father turning him into a Titan becauee the Titan syrum causes whoever is injected with it to lose their memory. That is why Grisha said to Eren before turning him into a Titan "Its useless to try and explain this to you, because you won'tremember it anyway"
In the story suffering will always be present in attack on titan I mean we've seen Levi, Eren and Mikasa child hood and saw how they suffer at the hands of other Marlin's. But though I think Zeke is a good character keep in mind that his action does involve mass Genocide
I think he's my favorite character, his titan design is awesome (I dare say his human form's handsome) and the intelligence and personality traits is also cool
Zeke's philosophy is so interesting cause it makes so much sense for him to think that. But for me every bad thing that happens in life, a even better thing happens to me life is better and it is worth the suffering. But I guess that is why different philosophies are so cool
Zeke treats killing paradis as a game, because he generally believed that they were island devil's. He thought his father was the same kinda devil before his dad left, so to learn his dad escaped behind the walls, plotting, he probably honestly thought that grisha would raise an army behind the walls. He just did what he thought was right, he didn't know better. Gladly he didn't get his way.
@@sonicdash761 definitely he just pretty much compressed it into his own ideology which fuels him to kill Elidian in a euthanizing fashion which is insane to me lol .. when he himself is an Elidan..
Just because he was traumatized and neglected as a child it does not excuse the atrocities he commits. We can understand why zeke does these awful things, but they can’t be excused. So just because someone has a bad childhood it makes their genocide of an entire race of people ok?
Even though I don’t agree with Zeke’s out look on things, they do make sense. With the way he grew up and everything that was thrown at him it’s not surprising this is how he views things. He’d rather die and end the suffering instead of trying to fight, which is why I disagree. Though I will also agree he is a VERY well written out character
@@RobotWizard4209 but Marley was the victim of Eldia. (if its true that the eldians used mindless titans to invade and kill countless people and wiped out almost all the people all countries in the world)
Attack on titan is an anime where everyone is a hero and everyone is a villain
All depends on the point of view and the viewer's ideology
Brohat Zeno that’s why I love it
Me too
Meh I say the marelians are the Villains. The Eldians have been minding their own business for 107 years the marelians are the ones who started the current conflict when they sent the warriors to the island. Not to mention marely have been all around assholes
@@RobotWizard4209 Holding people responsible for the wrong-doings of their ancestors is also an absolutely abhorrent concept.
@mule vpn That's a lie. Stop spreading propaganda.
Zeke's childhood was one of the most messed up I've ever seen. As twisted as his beliefs are, Isayama developed them very well
Totally
i mean hes father had it worst
@@Bluruu Grisha wasn't a good father.. He focused on his goals more and forgot that Zeke was still a very young child.
At the same time I don't know if I'd completely excuse Zeke's actions. And I'm definitely not on board with his plan as I find it very wrong to do to anyone.
@@slothful2039 i never said he was a good father im just saying in his life time he went through more shit
@@Bluruu True... it's an odd dichotomy, philosophy. Though I agree with Levi, sure there's suffering but there's also happiness. Not to mention I can't go with Zeke since he's taking away innocents freedom.
Zeke: I outsmarted you Eren
Eren: You May have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting.
Zeke: Big brain
Eren: Bigger brain
Armin: (cough) (cough) as you guys were saying...
God D. Usopp nah armin low graded after eating berthold
Death note vibes*
Haha
Zeke is smart
11/10
I think he has been manipulated and he only thinks he's smart. He's also complicit and cowardly which seems like he's always been that way since he was young. He snitched on the whole squad to save his own neck because he didn't want to fight for his own freedom. He is the clear villain in this story despite his incredibly one sided view of life. I mean the Eldians of Paradise wasnt bothering anyone thanks to the Titan threat.
@@ShakaZ3D impossible he's not fighting with Eren against the titan army. His view completely shift along side with Eren. Im generally confused the major thing they said, when Eren and Zeke touch (Zeke got royal blood) it would unlock everyone memory. I think they want humans alice and killing all people who has the ability to turn into titan to rid the problem completely.
@WIKIPEDIA the moment his sister died he went off the deep end.
Zeke is a weak coward. He hates himself so much he strips others abilities to make decisions for themselves. He's so pathetic he's a character you feel empathy for.
Sure he is intelligent but his emotions take over that intelligence. He makes it seem like he is thinking for the good of all Eldians because he found a solution but in truth, he is just relieving himself of his own suffering. Imo, it's feigning selfishness and cowardice with intelligence.
"he quickly ended the lives of survey core to end their suffering"
proceeds to throw a horse at mike*
And then instead of mercy killing Mike, calmly allows him to be ripped apart by those titans and die a long and cruel death as he feels himself being eaten alive.
@@mysticmajestic2360 one of the most gruesome deaths
Zeke is a sociopath. That is how their kind thinks. They dont see killing as wrong, as long as it fulfills their desire or ideology.
@@mannylugz5872 preety much yea
@@mysticmajestic2360 yeah but if he didn't move and scream he might have survived
We empathise with Paradis because nearly all the named characters are Eldians, but if Eldians existed in our world we'd most likely want them dead as well, despite knowing they're human like us.
finally someone logical
Nikita people need a bogeyman
i believe that peace and freedom should be fullfilled between eldians and humans its just like how we live in our world right now, there are still lots of people who view other people as enemies just because of what happened in the world wars.
No we would classify the serum which converts them into brainless titans and take those 9 intelligent titans under high security until they die and search for new borns after them.
Actually no, the people who had the "eldia hating" attitude in our world would be called nazis
The guy who killed my second favorite character...
And I can't hate him. Zeke is such an awesome character... Thanks Isayama!
I KNOWWW
@@psychoticsickhypnotic yea he is
Ozilus we need him in the series
We don’t know if Levi is actually dead or not. Hange said he was dead most likely so that Floch wouldn’t shoot him in the head and finish the job. The next time we see Hange will probably tell us if Levi is really dead or not.
@@Fahrenheitluverxoxo why btw they are fighting levi?
6:29 zeke is holding his future titan form
Shiny Alpha Element very observant
Lol yeah😂
Damn...I've never paid attention to it before. Your comment deserves more likes.
Yea it was foreshadowing as anime only viewers would not know who he was at the time
Clever boiii
inside the walls:
eren = hero
reiner = villain
outside the walls:
eren = villian
reiner = hero
Big spoilers but more like
Inside the walls:
Eren = villain
Reiner = villain
Outside the walls:
Eren = villain
Reiner = a weapon
Lokiofasgard nah its more like
Inside the walls:
eren: actually god, worshipped
reiner: understood to be forced to be against them
outside the walls:
eren: big giant threat, strongest person ever/?
reiner: just another warrior
androo I should’ve said
To the readers:
Eren = villain? Hero?
Reiner = misunderstood antagonist
*spoilers*
Lumos he’s kinda trying to either
a. Unleash a hoard of colossal titans on the world
b. sterilize all the eldians
c. Both a and b
d. Something else that’s similar or completely different
*bigger spoilers*
Lumos somewhere between where season 3 ended and where season 4 will start he became basically Jesus and allied himself with Zeke, his brother. Zeke wants the sterilization while Eren (I think) wants to flex Eldia’s might with the colossal titan’s in the wall. We honestly don’t know what Eren is really trying to do but there’s a chance that it’s neither. But the actions he’s taken so far just makes him look shadier than he is
It’s sad when people say
“Ugh AOT is so mainstream and overhyped”
But like...it’s hyped and popular for a reason. because the story telling is PHENOMENAL and the characters are so complex and flawed and likeable and nothing is black and white with this anime/manga.
It’s why I just roll my eyes when people wanna be “edgy” and hate on it. You can hate it. but if you hate it because it’s “popular” I can’t take you seriously. So I won’t stop loving this anime/manga because it’s DAMN GOOD
Not to mention those people have only seen season one at most, and never learn just how in depth these characters and the story becomes later on
Death Note and Dragon Ball both held these distinctions. Along with Naruto, Bleach and one Piece. Each to varying Degrees. DN and DB had hate the most dumped on them, the Big 3 brought in a lot of fans and hate. AoT is essentially just another Death Note, and Dragon Ball before it. Every 10-20 years an anime so good shows up and instant hate, but eventually the heat dies down and it becomes a classic.
The ending is where we find out for sure though. The Big 3 2 have had rocky ends, where the third hasn’t ended.
If AOT follows DB and DN with perfect endings though, we’ll finally have a Big Legendary 3 instead of 2.
I made the same mistake years ago.
People who hate on something for being popular are the same twisted and sick people who want to gatekeep their favorite anime
Aot is great but is really overated and mostly by new anime fans which the only animes the watch are aot and demon slayer and they be saying it's the best anime ever and it's really annoying.Aot is great but nowhere close to be the best anime especially after that ending.Right now what I would say to be the best is Monster by Naoki Urasawa. and best manga goes to berserk by Kentaro Miura
I love how you go so in depth to the characters philosophy, views, and mindset of the characters
I'm glad you liked it 😀
AnimeUproar thanks man and I absolutely LOVE your content
Um, I don't know about you, but Zeke is my absolute favourite character. He's badass, he's incredible smart, I just admire his personality and how good he's written. Somehow, I like him more than most other characters, but that doesn't mean, that they are bad written. Zeke takes the top place in my opinion, especially after the latest chapter.
Ur right man he the best i like him better than levi
Also considering i hate levi
Same!
A year later!
Same!
Same!
Doflamingo from One Piece said it best during the Marineford Arc: "Those who stand at the top can decide the definition of 'evil'... " & "Justice will triumph, you say? Of course it will! Because the winners will become justice!"
one piece lines in a attack on titan video . i like it😃
don't like one piece, won't be caught watching it but this is an awesome quote
It's been said before Donflamingo. This type of ideology is basically a moral relativism. Plenty of french postmodernist philosophers were of this belief.
@@deante6506 There's an obvious sense of morality. Killing people for selfish reasons is wrong.
@Conrad Kujur The writing is strong, so many good meaningful and powerful quotes, great characters. Some filler arcs might be meh sometimes, but overall One Piece has a good story!
Zeke is honestly a better anti-hero/antagonist in any content that Hajime Isayama has ever created.
In your personal opinion.
Changingwolf :D yeah
@@xthewhitewolf lol obviously evrething someone says is personal opinion.....whas that comment nessesary?
I think he's not the antagonist nor protagonist. He's more as an anti-hero.
Chevy Chelios thats true, my bad
Zeke is one of the most best developed characters in attack on titan for sure great video as allways
While Zeke isn't wrong the problem is like most logically sound antagonist is that he making the choice for others which is what makes him a villian
1.So if a hero saves civilian trying to commit suicide does he become a villian? 2.If a hero stops destruction of a city with asking the civilian if they want to live or not does he become a villian?
If you think for my 2nd scenario that most people would want to live so the hero is doing heroic actions. Then Zeke is hero to Eldian and the world as Eldian regret been born and rest of world fear and hate Eldian.
@@averagemcocplayer213 well.....as his video started out.....with that is a matter of perspective. In Zeke case he basically said to end your future suffering I'll make the choice for you and make it so you can't he born.
Thanos was no different. While what he was saying made sense....its how he achieves that good that makes him the evil/villian.
Saving someone who wants to commit suicide isnt wrong but like everything else it's all perspective.
@@Jaye3rd89 Thanos killed half the universe. Probably painless death.
Zeke on other is preventing Eldian from being born who are mostly destined to suffering. As they never were born they don't die. You cant say Zeke action are good or bad as millions of sperm try to fight for life but only 1 survives others die you could say. If you think Zeke method is evil than even sex( the way everyone is born is bad). Trillions of sperm are dying comparing to Zeke potentially death count it's nothing.
In short Zeke action are not wrong or evil as he is not killing or harming sentient life.
Injamul Shaikh Zeke isn’t killing life
Zeke *proceeds to kill survey cops by throwing rocks at them*
Ok injamul
@@nuralayn6398 we are talking about Zeke from Manga not current version in Anime.
I can relate to Zeke's childhood suffering. Forcefully being brainwashed to believe something you disagree with, but he's no different than his father if he's forcing his own philosophy onto others. It comes full circle. There is no right or wrong in this story, and I love it.
You’re wrong. And stupid
He never forced anybody to accept his beliefs. When eren was talking about how his father killed the royal family , Zeke said “so you agree with him”
He wants eren to think like he does. But he does not force his beliefs on him.
Zeke is a really cool character but DIOs voice makes him the best
*Dabi’s/Champa’s voice in the English dub.
he's also MWU LA FLAGGA, the man who makes the impossible possible.
Erwin:yare yare daze i found you DIO
What is a dio voice
I REJECT MY HUMANITY, JOJO!
*Becomes monke*
thanos as a beast titan basically
The Mad titan
@@SageVaughn Perfect name for Zeke
@TheOne111 except Thanos was motivated by an assumption and had many other options besides genocide
That's all well and good for zeke and his philosophy but it's never right to make a decision of death for other people once they're capable of decisions themselves.
Agreed
True.
That's why he's framed as an antagonist, even if he has a sympathetic backstory. We're not supposed to believe Zeke's doing the right thing.
@@DarkAngel807 well that's obvious isn't it.
Didn't Commander Erwin make a choice like this for the soldiers under his commands. Although he was the same situation or circimstances. The 145 th king is no different either, to stop the great titan war. According to willy tybur: he team up with the tybur family and manipulated and defeated the other titans. decided to move a portion of his people to an island and his government oppress anyone who try to change the status quo; (the ackerman and the asian clan whose memories could not be erased suffer discrimination bind the walls. He deciced what was best for everyone too.
this video increased my IQ by 53
@@inu7865 WOW
Mine by 1.
Mine got increased by 69
So your iq is 53 now?
Hector Castellanos
Actually, most people’s IQ is between 85-130
Zeke is a well written character, but I dislike him. He is cruel and taking joy in ending lives just ain't cool.
In his eyes "he saved them"
He is obviously a very psychologicaly damaged individual. Zeke is very cynical, egoistic, sadistic dick (same as Annie who was smiling when she was killing survey corps soldiers) but at the same time given his childhood experiences his personality and ideology are understandable and expected, that's why he is such intriguing character from a psychological standpoint.
rabaeh elqaisi Same philosophy with Thanos.
Zeke is not wrong hes right
@@weebguy308 how is he right? He is killing people who are being attacked and not killing people who are atacking them.
Zeke is THE biggest snitch of all time 🤣🤣🤣
Grisha and Dina would have been arrested anyways, so he really was a hero, saving his grandparents and himself.
@@jtris01 nah he a bitch
GAMeO's slouchin nah you a bitch
@@gameo360 gotta read the manga. Zeke has always been on Eldias side. His parents were already discovered. Zeke snitched to save his an his grandparents lives so that he can continue the restorationists mission.
Zeke will have the most painful death possible ....cause he is a traitorous bitch
I'm on Levi's&Eren's side but I also do understand Zeke's way of thinking after we got to know his whole story.
R u the cousin of Mikasa or Levi? 🤩
If youre on erens side then you are about to have a very rude awakening next season lol
@@mr.bojangles49 did you read the last chapter tho ?
Obscure arsxnist Exactly, he acts like he knows shit but did he even read latest chap😂
@@weeabootwl6590 Deception is the name of the game.
And Eren is the opposite. Eldians need freedom.
Eldians need freedom, but they also need to abandon the Restorationist ideology.
@@mannylugz5872 I am hoping that is a hidden goal.
@@mannylugz5872 No. Grisha and Kruger were right,
@@alkan68 nah it'll only make more deaths
Manny Lugz
Can you explain the restorationist ideology please
Glad you made a vid about Zeke, he's one of my favorite characters 🐒⚾
Love what you said at 16:40, I remember in chapter 108, Hange said "The world wants Paradis to be the root of all evil. It helps bring them together." What you said about it being naive to think getting rid of Paradis will solve everyone else's problems really adds to that quote. The world has Paradis to blame now and unite them, but what about after? They no longer have a common enemy, so they will be divided by greed of resources and more.
Great video!
Never knew I needed this until now!! Thank youuuu
Thanks for all the likes!! Another video request though: This is off point but would you please make a review on Erin’s vision? On the first episode he was sleeping but he had a dream of so many things and then mikasa woke him up. NOBODY is talking about this but I’d really like to know about the correlation, thank youuu
Gina Malba personally, I think the dream that Eren wakes up from, is the life of him in the future. Think about it: Eren is practically the antagonist now, and Mikasa disagrees with his way of thinking. The dream he has, even though we only see a tiny bit of it, is Mikasa saying “goodnight Eren.” And eren wakes up, and asks Mikasa why her hair is so long. How does Mikasa look now, after the time skip? Yup, her hair is short. So I think he’s seeing the future in his dream, when Mikasa will choose to kill Eren to end the suffering that he’s causing.
Bro this give him an better understanding of zeke ideology. Great video and Subscribed!!!!
TMarsera NewLimit yeah, I saw another analysis video on Zeke but all he talked about was how evil Zeke is and how much he hates Eldians... which isn’t true at all.. he pitties them and wants to relieve them from their suffering.
@@danielvine6810 He doesnt pity them. He wants to get rid of them through euthanasia like they are just animals. All humans in this world can be a pain, but do we need to euthanize them to relive them of their suffering? Only if you are like the Nazis.
@Link's AMV Lol its like an exterminator saying how he pities rats and ants before he sprays them with pesticides. Or how butchers pity chicken before he slashed the neck of the animal to drain his blood. Words are cheap. Even sociopaths and Ted Bundy said he pities some of his victims. There is no bias when it comes to a scumbag, branwashed or not, killing innocent people. He is a dangerous animal that needs to be eliminated. Would you pity Bertholdt if hes about to squash your entire family? Is he just a misunderstood shy boy? I doubt.
@Link's AMV Yes he is. Study the definition of the word 'sociopath' then get back here.
@Link's AMV Zeke is a sociopath. Seems you have failed your homework kid. A sociopath acts without remorse and doesnt feel guilt. He thinks his solution to the Eldians, which is to wipe them out, is righteous. Wiping out an entire race or group of people aka genocide are the works of sociopaths like Hitler and Pol Pot. They think killing people en masse is justified as long as it fulfills their desire for a change. If you think this is not wrong then there is something wrong with you. Maybe the S word also applies to you?
Zeke's trope is not new however and it is commonly used in Japanese anime or even video games. There's a name for his philosophy and it is called 'negative utilitarianism', whereby the goal is not to increase happiness for all, but to reduce suffering, even if it means killing people.
Examples of negative utilitarianism are like Zeke from AOT, Sephiroth from FF7, and Pain from Naruto. All these characters suffered and therefore developed such views. Euthanasia is a good example and we euthanise animals who are suffering and there are places where people can be euthanised too.
But it is one thing to euthanise an individual who is asking for death and suffering, versus euthanising an entire race who are actively fighting to live and clueless (i.e. they are not suffering, at least not yet).
Pain from Naruto puts it very well by saying, "I want the world to experience my pain because only pain can stop the wars and bring peace". This is wrong on so many levels but at least it is the most honest account of characters like these. These people are not genuinely altruistic, that's just a way they convince themselves that they're still the 'good guy'.
These people are ANGRY and ANGRY as HELL... They are essentially saying, "if I can't have what I want, then nobody can either!!!". When was the last time you heard this from a child? Exactly. This is a very child-like way of thinking and people who are traumatised at an early age tend to experience a disruption in psychological development thus they never outgrow their child-like mentality.
All three characters (Zeke, Sephiroth, and Pain) all suffered when they're children. Most importantly, they have to be traumatised at an age when they have a relatively well-developed 'theory of mind', that is the ability to see another person as a separate object. Only then, can they develop ANGER for the OTHER person who is harming them. Very young children can't do this, but teenagers are very prone to anger and violence because they have a good theory of mind but their brains aren't developed enough to control their anger.
However, negative utilitarianism is just a philosophy, it is not a personality. The fact that Zeke wants to kill the Eldians is a reflection of his philosophy, but him laughing about it is something else. Pain from Naruto actually looks miserable killing people, Sephiroth shows no emotions whatsoever, and all these are personality factors. Zeke is most likely also a psychopath, that is, one who doesn't have any emotions and thus allows them to pursue their goals with a rare single-mindedness. Psychopathy can be inherited, and Grisha may have psychopathic traits too.
Anime tries too hard to make people empathize with absolute psychopaths.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 lol
Great insight. I love this post.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 it’s not that hard to look into real life and you see the same shit. The USA fear of communism and their selfishness to accept other forms of government, caused the Vietnam war and later caused them to intervene in the Korean War. Also their intervention in Latin American and some parts of the Middle East and Africa
One criticism of negative utilitarianism I heard is from R. Ninian Smart who said: “negative utilitarianism would entail that a ruler who is able to instantly and painlessly destroy the human race would have a duty to do so”
Not that far from Zeke’s end goal who shares the same plan but for the Eldians.
Grisha regrets how he treated Zeke but never got the chance to apologize. Mr. Leonhart apologized to Annie but they'll probably never meet again. 😭
Well he kinda does apologise to him in chapter 121 or 122
He apologized to zeke after he killed the royal family through paths/time travel memories
Zeke: *believes life is bad for Eldians because they become Titans and kill people*
Also Zeke: *becomes a Titan and kills people*
Plus he’s also eldian
His philosophy is evil too. The Eldians have a right to exist and they shouldn't be euthanize because the Malayians refuse to accept them.
Not having children is torture, you don't realize how important human connection is until you are missing it. Look at Half-Life, everyone is absolutely miserable. Zeke wants to torture the Eldians with his philosophy, it would be better to follow the 45th king's philosophy than follow Zeke's.
@@whoisheiforgothisname2103 HAHAHA not having kids is torture? Fuck off dude.
@@misturjosturr7658 it would be to some. You’d be surprised.
@@whoisheiforgothisname2103 not more evil than Eren's way of doing things. Zeke just wants to stop the abuse to the eldian race, and this is his way of doing that. I think his solution is the most kind of all the ones presentes in AOT.
I love Zeke as a character! I can easily agree with his philosophy but at the same time it’s a bit messed up. But you can’t blame the guy for being like this after his terrible past!
Same
its better than eren's solution.
Better than eren tbh
Same!
From a story perspective, Zeke's an amazing villan. But outside from that, Zeke is just a person with a philosophy that was shaped by the environment and people that were around him.
Great video! I think that Zeke is a great villain. I’m excited to see what he and Eren will do in the next chapters.
Damn! this was a magnificent video!! when you said who was Zeke to push his philosophy onto others, it reminded me of a mindset I once had in the past...
While I don't exactly hate Zeke, *he's crazy, and he needs to go down.*
*Yeet*
Jonathan Sawyer yup
And also Floch
i don't think so he will be needed to stop eren. also his morales seems better than erens he also just wants to save the world in his own way.
Avatar reference?
The moment I watched ep 15 of Final Season (Zeke's backstory- Sole salvation), my views on Zeke literally flipped by 180° and now he's one of my favourite characters in AoT!!
I bet Pain from Naruto would love this guy and get along with him lol.
Pain and Zeke are so different. Just proofs how many people dont understand both characters.
Narumaki66 what’s the difference between them two?They both believe their philosophy that they are saving the world or bringing peace.
Link's AMV thxs
@@HalalNamekian Well, everyone does. Naruto does. Marley does. Madara does. Itachi does. Jean does.
@@alkan68 From what I remember Pain thought wars would stop if there were no people, so his solution was to kill everyone right? Tell me if I'm wrong because I haven't watch Naruto in years.
I think Eren is dangerously close to adopting a philosophy that's similar but in direct opposition to Zeke. It's just a matter of what is he willing to do and just how far is he willing go to obtain that freedom.
Zeke is my second favorite after Reiner, also the most underrated character even though he is a key character. People generally are shallow when he's being mentioned and like to only emphasize on how he's "scared" of Levi, Zeke didn't get many scenes in the anime but the episode about his backsory has shown how much his story is complex and deep.
Zeke is one of the most unique and complex characters in the series. It disappoints me that the fan base make fun of him due to his defeats to levi. To be frank it would have been better had Levi lost in the forest.
Same dude same
The fan base is dumb if they do that. For one thing, levi always had the advantage whenever they fought each other and people forget that if by chance zeke had managed to land one hit on levi with his powerful arms, then Levi would be dead. Levi only won due to good strategy and sacrifice of his team mates.
People are just powerscaling for no reason
Same!
Hes evil tho. remember the time he killed one guy by letting the titans eat him. If he wanted to end their suffering wouldnt he have killed him quikly?
exactly !!
Mike
remember that time when Annie was playing with the soldiers like yoyo?
he isn't evil he just wants to get rid of eldians to save the world in his own way.
But instead of just killing the guy quickly he let the titans eat him. That is brutal
Zeke is an awesome character, good pitcher, he hits Reiner from the top of the wall.. Saved Eren ass in the lastest chapter..
Loll
Lol. Reiner is a virtual punching bag. Even without Zeke, Eren can reduce Reiner to a pulp anytime of the day.
Zeke : Daddy issues gone "totally" wrong
1Month left till new chapter
Aot 119
Hamid Smith you mean 2?
@@cryobooty even better
@@hamidsmith7986 Well that's the info I got. It should be out on 06.06 in English also.
Well... I can't wait!
@@hamidsmith7986 same! XD
Zeke has the same philosophy with Thanos where killing living creature is a salvation.
In the end Zeke's plan would of had eldians living peaceful lives being able to have partners and not being able to procreate having them go extinct essentially. His plan was a lot better than whatever Eren's plan was
As someone who’s already read the manga,this is SO helpful!I missed a few key points,and I totally forgot the pressure they gave onto Zeke😩
This was an awesome vid man. every fan who doesn't already know this should see this video. The anime dont even come close to explaining Zekes actual beliefs and point of view. Thank man really glad I saw this.
I have really wanted to know Zeke's plan!!! He's really mysterious
Like bigfoot
This comment will probably be lost in the void but I dont see a lot of people talking about that but since titan shifter are influenced by the last one i think zeke is more than influenced by the owner of the last beast titan.
Like the titan following the royal line in paradis island that chose to become passif after inheriting the will of the king.
Maybe he just wanted to save the eldian but after inheriting the beast titan, still following his philosophy while warping it, his way of saving the eldian changed.
when you realize that MCU Thanos and Zeke have almost the same ideology XD
Nope
They don’t really.
Shadow Hunter in a way, they have the same philosophy of salvation through population sacrifice like erasing half of universe and erasing the entire eldian race by basically making them sterile
Well MCU Thanos idealogy was horribly flawed so you aren't making that good of a case.. 😂😂
@@srankoutcast348 was it now, have you read the comics then?? Thanos in the comics is one twisted mf at least in the movies his actions were justified, he did it for the universe not himself.
We literally saw this entire backstory play out in the anime last night. I LOVE IT!
You should make a video on the entire Attack on Titans story line so us, anime only weebs, know if we want to continue watching it
It is definitely worth watching, although i would suggest to just go ahead and read the manga. If you are able to imagine the lines of the characters as their voices its not too different from the anime (IMO!)
I'm not going to spoil anything. All i can say is that im eagerly waiting for the next (gdamned monthly) chapter to come out. :))
Watching today's episode led me to this video cuz i wanted to know how's zeke related to eren and what is their purpose ahead❤️ ur video os way ahead of time 🔥🔥
14:30 EXACTLY!!!
This is why Isayama is such a brilliant writer.
100% agree 😍
I'm a simple man I see anime uproar upload I click
I seen that joke two many times. You simply copied it from someone.
@@xthewhitewolf but I was one of the first ones to the video how?
@@furiousdread6484 I don't understand what you said there. You copied that comment from another video and brought it here.
@@xthewhitewolf really?
Changingwolf :D ok I only agree with u saying you see that comment too many times but the rest NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I can’t see Zeke as a villain. Just a hero with another perspective. If we ignore the present, if Zeke gets what he wants, he will fully save the world from the horrors and the fear of Titans. He would save the world form their hundreds of years of war.
Sure, what he is doing is still horrible, but would knowingly letting Eldians keep living and passing on the Titan gene bring a better future? Wouldn’t that bring on more horrors and more people overall would be releaved from Titans? I believe it is a cruel step to achieve peace and the fact that not many people will ever agree with Zeke is more of a reason why I believe he SHOULD win (I’m not going to claim he will win). It’s a effective solution that is very rare to find someone who accepts its outcome and carry it out. Everyone else would choose to let the horrors live on and plague the future.
BUUUUT, I can’t remember if this was addressed in the manga, but can’t Zeke use his Royal Blood and Eren’s Coordinate to REMOVE the Titan gene? He aims to sterilise everyone magically. Why can’t he with the same process, just remove all Eldians ability to become a Titan at all? Because that would be a better solution, but I am guessing it’s too good to be true?
Getting rid of the Titan serum would be nice then kill all the remaining titans if possible then bam world peace unless the Marleyan's just can't live with the eldians
ace 2146 it’s not just as easy as “destroy all Titan Syrums” the founding Titan can always just command their people to turn into Titans anyways and if a royal blood were to own the founding Titan they can literally manipulate anything to their will. Zeke was able to make his own Titan syrum by extracting from his own spinal fluid and feed it to Eldians.. as Long as any form of Eldians are alive, the threat of Titans will never die.
Daniel Vine you right I didn’t think of that wow 😯
That’s still the eradication of one race for the good of others, it’s still biased genocide
@@elijahstark3663 yeah, but if they don't cease to exist, they will suffer.
*Mikasa sits on top of Levi*
Levi:
Mikasa: GIVE IT TO ME NOW!
Oh god no
@@Person-bj2es oh lawd
@@inu7865 I think they are talking about the syringe
They're related... *SWEET HOME ALABAMA STARTS PLAYING*
@@inu7865 r/whooosh
"I GOT THE MOVES LIKE JAEGER"
I personally think it's very Naive to think that getting rid of the titans will solve Zeke's problems.
zeke is a pussy...don't expect great thing from him
He is an extremist. Just like any other mass murdering fanatics in the real world.
Marley will no longer have titans. That's a good thing, no?
@@hueylongdong347 but conflict might still be fought with the destructive technology that the world has developed to counter the titans
@@revimfadli4666 yep, but that's not what Zeke is focused on.
Finally *AOT VIDS RETURN!*
I like the way that you've gone deep in to explaining Zeke's philosophy. The video was truly insightful
I'm not siding up with Zeke. Just imagine those innocent Eldians suddenly DYING from Zeke's actions. He's ignorant. In my opinion. And I think your points are really well done. I always thought that he's wrong, but just couldn't pin-point why. Like, we know he's very smart, but to think he could come up with something as reckless as this. Maybe, this was from his outcome of childhood (A.K.A raised by Grisha)
@WIKIPEDIA weak minded?
After all we've seen, he definitely is the opposite of weak minded.
What do you mean by suddenly dying? Zeke's plan is to make Eldians infertile, not Thanos (turn to dust) them.
@@ltrt6975 Which is what you call passive extermination. Imagine this happened in real life. Your country will cease to exist after 100+ years. And then you realize, yeah that Zeke dude is a scumbag.
@@PlyrMava. he isn't stupid, but he is weak minded emotionally. eradicating a group of people not for what they've done, but for what they could do, is ignorant.
Unless those "people" are goblins.
@@hiraeth437 I don't think he wants to end the Eldian race just because of the things they could do. But for him, the things the world could do to the Eldian people is equally bad as the things Eldians could do with their titans. In Zeke's perspective, to live as an Eldian is to suffer hate from literally the whole world, is to never being accepted by anyone. He's not just worried with what the Eldians could do with the titans, bringing suffering for other people and causing wars, but he thinks that it's not worth to live a life where you will be hated and treated like shit by the entire mankind. (Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that he is right or he has the right to decide by himself the future of an entire race, I'm just explaning that he is doing what he thinks is the best and peaceful outcome for both Eldia and the world, doesn't mean it's actually the right thing to do.)
Zeke: peace
Eren: freedom
Really wish zeke defeated his dumbass extremist little brother
I never saw him as a villain he is a very great character he is smart and intelligent his ideology is on point no one is right nor wrong in aot
I like how aot started off soooo simple then overtime it become a lot more complex
I just realized that 6:28 is foreshadowing
chaii good observation
I wouldn't say that FOREshadowing, per se. xD
@@pphilosophy2156 Lol then a prequel one
Sanyukta Gokhale btw I should mention that I don’t wanna diminish your observation because that was a really keen connection you drew between the beast he would eventually become and the beast doll be played with as a kid, possibly a tool for Grisha to groom Zeke with. Like showing Zeke how the beasts limbs move and getting him prepared for the tactics he’s likely to have to employ. Maybe? Idk if Grisha would have access to that information at that time actually. Point is that that was a great observation, like the previous comment said.
Nah it's cool:) thanks:D
Zeke is a 11/10 character in this story due to his philosophy, psychology, and complexity of character throughout the story from his experiences. Still extremley pissed at him for what he did to Miche and everyone else.
ma boi zeke
favourite character, 11/10
I disagree with Zeke. He’s bullying Reiner and Berthold into killing humans inside the wall, I also agree with your points as well. Makes for an interesting story though.
Dresrosa has made a similar video yesterday, i'm interested to see what you have to say about Zeke
I see you every where
@@endgame-ix2615 ikr iron woodkid ive seen you everywhere since 2017 im basically a fan now
Buasfe every video I watch he’s there
this is exactly why i subscribed such in depth research.
You made a good point about freedom at 16:05 and i think the final page of AOT touches on the overall Freedom Eren seeks
Zeke's philosophy is the exact opposite of Erens and I love it.
Thanks for the thorough analysis. I believe Tom Xavier had the most influence on Zeke's character at such a young age. You can almost say Zeke was brainwashed by him! That is the main reason for Zeke's philosophy of euthanization. Of course his dad's negligence played a part in it too, but it was all Tom's philosophy that left its mark on Zeke at a young age and shaped his future views on the world. I believe Eren will be able to change that bu his firm believes.
I personaly believed with zeke's philosophy. I always wish that i wasn't born at all even before watching the series.
And trust me, a lot of people have went through that train of thought at least once in their lives. There's no right answer to the question of life, at least to my knowledge, but the answer you come up with once you've thought long enough about it will define who you really are.
Life is neither a curse nor a blessing. It's a question. You decide what it is to you.
the rain part of the video felt like therapy tbh. ty
Anyone else think it was Ymir who saved Zeke's life after he blew himself up
This was such a good video. I love Zeke and I can emphasize with him alot. But now comes my point. I love Grisha too. Now why is that, well here's the thing
When Zeke turns Grisha and Dina in, Grisha never once blames Zeke, never once gets mad. He accepts it, he realizes the consequences of his actions and realizes that he screwed up, bad. He admits that he was a Terrible father and regrets what he did to Zeke that he did the exact same thing his father did to him. (Sidenote Grisha was in love with Dina and when Dina died, he was crying his eyes out and wishes that it had been him and not her)
But here's what I love aboit Grisha, he learns from his mistakes and grows as a person. Once he got to Paradise, when inside the wall, met and fell in love with Carla and had Eren. He never once forced any ideology onto Eren, he kept all of his work secret and from what we have seen Grisha cared deeply for Eren and Carla. He was a good father to him. It was only after Eren showed any interest on going outside the wall, Did Grisha want to show Eren the Basement (If you go on the Attack Titan wiki, Grisha has a 8 out of 10 for love of family). Mikasa and Armin even vouch for Grisha and said that "Dr.Yeager was a good man".
You see it's only after the Warriors break down the wall that everything unravels. Grisha realizes that time is running out, he goes to the Reiss chapel and begs/pleads with Freida to save the people from the Titans. But Freida being bound by Karl Fritz Will, she refuses. Grisha, out of desperation of not wanting to fail his missions given by Kruger and not wanting to lose another family, steals the Founding Titan and kills the Reiss family. He finds Eren later and when he learns that Carla was eaten by a Titan... His eyes show so much hurt and pain. He had lost another love, another wife. Another family. He reverts back to his younger self and goes into the woods and turns Eren into a Titan and Grisha gets eaten.
That is really the tragedy of Grisha Yeager if you think about it
But how did eren remember his mom being eaten but not him being turned into a titan and eating his father until later on in the story? Plus after eren’s mom gets eaten by the smiling titan, Hanes (or however you spell it) takes mikasa and eren away into the second wall
@@AresJay23 I'm sorry I am confused by your comment becauee I never once mentioned Hannes or the Smiling Titan. It was about the evolution of Grisha as a person and character but okay.
Eren remembers his mother being eaten because he saw it happen right in front of him. He didnt remember his father turning him into a Titan becauee the Titan syrum causes whoever is injected with it to lose their memory. That is why Grisha said to Eren before turning him into a Titan "Its useless to try and explain this to you, because you won'tremember it anyway"
In the story suffering will always be present in attack on titan I mean we've seen Levi, Eren and Mikasa child hood and saw how they suffer at the hands of other Marlin's. But though I think Zeke is a good character keep in mind that his action does involve mass Genocide
they will just have no children it is not genocide
@@domenicocozzi7318 Forced sterilization is genocide
@@domenicocozzi7318 that is literally genocide he’s making sure they die out
So does eren....
Any kind of video's you do will definietly make my day
This is such a great video that it made me subscribe.
I think he's my favorite character, his titan design is awesome (I dare say his human form's handsome) and the intelligence and personality traits is also cool
Dio won against jotaro this time 😂😂 if you dont understand check the voice actors
Dio = Zeke
Jotaro = Erwin
Loll
Just because you said to go beast-mode on the like button, after going in on the beast titan, you deserved a like and a shout out 🙌
Can't wait to see Zeke and Eren team up in the next chapter
eren is a the 'monster' of the story
@@subreme8069 i wonder how Isayama will redeem him
Zeke's philosophy is so interesting cause it makes so much sense for him to think that. But for me every bad thing that happens in life, a even better thing happens to me life is better and it is worth the suffering. But I guess that is why different philosophies are so cool
I wonder who's going to be the next best titan because Zeke's life spawn is almost over because of the curse of Yemir
spoiler:
It is still zeke he is going to get revived
Boub GAMER how? This is never stated in manga or anime
@@ciarangrimes7912 I think that is his prediction on what's going to happen
@@ciarangrimes7912 He use cheat code
@@uvindukulathunga3860 oh yeah up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right, decapitation via Levi
Zeke treats killing paradis as a game, because he generally believed that they were island devil's. He thought his father was the same kinda devil before his dad left, so to learn his dad escaped behind the walls, plotting, he probably honestly thought that grisha would raise an army behind the walls. He just did what he thought was right, he didn't know better. Gladly he didn't get his way.
If Zeke is so smart, why did he think he had a snowball's chance in Hell of escaping Levi?
Checkmate.
I feel like Zekes philosophy has bits and pieces of individuals he has come in contact with over the years..
Toni-Ann Mattis Same here, his interactions with Grisha and Xaver definitely influenced his ideology.
@@sonicdash761 definitely he just pretty much compressed it into his own ideology which fuels him to kill Elidian in a euthanizing fashion which is insane to me lol .. when he himself is an Elidan..
Zeke isn't even a villain he has been brainwashed by his dad and the people around him.
Think of things from his perspective
Just because he was traumatized and neglected as a child it does not excuse the atrocities he commits. We can understand why zeke does these awful things, but they can’t be excused. So just because someone has a bad childhood it makes their genocide of an entire race of people ok?
zeke is in the middle but he is defiantly not evil
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
nice explanation after watching episode 74, which is essentially what this video talks about
i think that sterilising the titans is the most conflict free approach
edit: meaning not to kill them with suffering
Even though I don’t agree with Zeke’s out look on things, they do make sense. With the way he grew up and everything that was thrown at him it’s not surprising this is how he views things. He’d rather die and end the suffering instead of trying to fight, which is why I disagree. Though I will also agree he is a VERY well written out character
I can't hate Zeke. He's just a victim of Grisha Jaeger.
An grisha is a victim of marely. Marely is the root of everyone's suffering
@@RobotWizard4209 but Marley was the victim of Eldia. (if its true that the eldians used mindless titans to invade and kill countless people and wiped out almost all the people all countries in the world)
@@yoleeisbored eldians were the ones who built the roads and buildings for humans
@@0uo258 You don't create an empire without war
Humans never loved each other