Thank you for sharing this, as it sheds a little bit more of the history of my gamily too. My G-G-Grandfather Gignac was a trader in the mid-1800s and traveled between the upper great lakes and the 3 rivers area of Quebec and had to traveled through this area to go back and forth. He had several wives as they seemed to die after having children. One was my g g grandmother who was of Indian decent and when she died he dumped the children at the catholic Indian orphanage that was at Harbor Springs and found another wife. I never knew about this history, thanks again.
Thank you...once again! Your adventures are positively epic. LOVE you two and your incredible knowledge on so much stuff in our little world! Way to go eh!
I highly recommend this channel, I consider it one of the best on u tube. That doesn't mean that i consider u tube worthy of any credit for anything I don't. All the good on u tube is a credit to those who produce the content..
You said exactly what I was going to post. Having grown up on both sides of the Great Lakes, I really enjoy the Viking's exploration of history and geography of our region. And I am happy to see that the editing skills are improving.
Thank you for sharing this. I wanted to make pilgrimages to various holy places in North America, but thus far have only been able to travel to a few shrines, and to the tomb of Blessed Solanus Casey. I fear my traveling days are over, so I'm grateful that you shared this pilgrimage.
Thank you for the native history lesson Chuck and Poppins. I thought this was a well put together episode. I found it relevant because the Wyandot were also known to be here in Michigan. The site is probably too far away for me to visit, even though I wouldn't have to use a canoe like the first peoples.
It is good that these sites are built and preserved for us to learn from, but that has two sides. The further back you stand from the events, and the broader your perspective, it is clear that the Jesuit missionaries were a tool for the projection of power. This is often overlooked by the faithful and certainly by most of the missionaries - who tend to believe they were doing God's work, but conversion of native people was done to enable control over them. And if a fur company party was wiped out by native warriors it would be an epic failure, but with missionaries you need only call them martyrs to inspire future missions. Yes, martyrdom, that is making someone a saint, is done to reinforce church authority and expand power. Whether they believe in this magical incantations or not, the leaders of the church understand that power is the goal.
They said, "come back to us when you make up a convincing story about ancient alien viking pirates that hired Davinci as a caricature artist". So. . . not yet. 😂😂 But, I think they like us. . .
If you're a believer, the Hebrew God was pretty sure when he told his people not to proselytize but to live by example. So it's not far fetched to think that missionaries died as a result of their god being just a tad pissed at them for proselytizing. Besides, it's incomprehensible how many millions (if not billions) of people died in the name of the Christian God.
As a non-believer, you misinterpret the Gospel, even leaving out the whole part where Jesus tells His disciples to go out into the world preaching the good news. Granted, that's not proselytizing, which is why the Jesuits didn't proselytize. They found ways to preach the Gospel to people who spoke different languages, and they lived by example. Even today, the Maryknoll missionary priests in Communist China don't proselytize. It's illegal even to preach the Gospel to non-Christians there, let alone proselytize. So the Maryknolls live by example. And when the people ask why they help the poor and afflicted, they reply that it's because they follow the way of Jesus. That's how it's been throughout Christian history, as even reputable atheist scholars will affirm. The reputable are the ones who take scholarship seriously. The others just make up whatever suits them, and it just so happens that the unreputable ones disseminate noisy anti-Christian books and articles full of falsehoods. Go ahead and try to source your claims. All you'll find is references that ultimately point back to unreputable authors of anti-Christian works, proven to be full of falsehoods.
@@kimfleury As a non-believer I have a more objective take on your books. Jesus would never have, "...tells His disciples to go out into the world preaching the good news" because as Jew he would have known better. His God told his people to live by example, hence groups like the Amish are a fuck-ton closer to Christ's teachings than any evangelical bible thumper. Moreover, *anything* attributed to Jesus that isn't based squarely in post-Babylonian 2nd Temple Judaism, are words/actions put in his mouth to grow the cult among pagans.
"Why Would I Want To Go To Heaven? No One I Know Is There!" That Statement Makes Perfect Theological Sense! So I Live In Wyandotte, MI. May I Assume That Is The Same People And Tribe As The Wendot?! Have Read Much About Native Tribes In Michigan, Particularly In Southeast As Well As Saginaw/Midland/Bay City Area Along The Tittabawasse River System. Now A Lot Of The Biography And Diary I Have Read From That Time Talks Of Cannibalism. So When You Talk Of The Iroquois Boiling The Jesuits And Then The Wendot "Stripping The Flesh From The Bones" I Am Wondering If Cannibalism Was Also An Underlying Motive. Back In The Day, Jesuit Makes A Fine Meal! Another Great Video. You Guys Are Great!
Actually, it was the Jesuits that did the stripping to preserve the bones as relics. The Wendat, I think, existed in the plains area of Ontario. Today, there is a small group in Quebec and a few in the western US. Almost all of the Wendat were wiped out by disease and attack from the Iroquois. By the end of this story, the only remaining Wendot traveled back to Quebec City with the Jesuits.
As a fellow michigander/traveler your channel is beyond valuable. Thank You so much.
Thank you so much for the maple syrup log info!
Nice to see this. My parents took me there in the early 1970's.
Thank you for sharing this, as it sheds a little bit more of the history of my gamily too. My G-G-Grandfather Gignac was a trader in the mid-1800s and traveled between the upper great lakes and the 3 rivers area of Quebec and had to traveled through this area to go back and forth. He had several wives as they seemed to die after having children. One was my g g grandmother who was of Indian decent and when she died he dumped the children at the catholic Indian orphanage that was at Harbor Springs and found another wife. I never knew about this history, thanks again.
An incredible piece of history. Thank You for doing what you do. I love watching your videos.
❤😊 a very educational, informative and beautiful video ❤
Thank you...once again! Your adventures are positively epic. LOVE you two and your incredible knowledge on so much stuff in our little world! Way to go eh!
Thanks again!
I highly recommend this channel, I consider it one of the best on u tube. That doesn't mean that i consider u tube worthy of any credit for anything I don't. All the good on u tube is a credit to those who produce the content..
Thanks!
Very interesting, educational post. And, if I may say, your cinematography improves with every post. Nicely done!👋👋👋
You said exactly what I was going to post. Having grown up on both sides of the Great Lakes, I really enjoy the Viking's exploration of history and geography of our region. And I am happy to see that the editing skills are improving.
Thanks for taking us along in on your adventure. I enjoy the tidbits of history from our State.
Another interesting well shot vid. Thanks much!!
Cool place and story! My wife's family came to New Canada at this time! Merci! 😎✌️
Thank you for another journey, Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas, Skip!
Thanks!
Thanks a bunch Denny!
Nice tour Thank you very Much
Another wonderful story.
Vike and Popin, educating the masses,,HoRaHH!
Another awesome episode even though we now have a poppin popsicle! Michigan Eskimo folks
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Thank you for sharing this. I wanted to make pilgrimages to various holy places in North America, but thus far have only been able to travel to a few shrines, and to the tomb of Blessed Solanus Casey. I fear my traveling days are over, so I'm grateful that you shared this pilgrimage.
Wye Marsh was one of my fishing spots back in late 1990's. Huge Carp fish their! 🐟
Thank you for the native history lesson Chuck and Poppins. I thought this was a well put together episode. I found it relevant because the Wyandot were also known to be here in Michigan.
The site is probably too far away for me to visit, even though I wouldn't have to use a canoe like the first peoples.
It is good that these sites are built and preserved for us to learn from, but that has two sides. The further back you stand from the events, and the broader your perspective, it is clear that the Jesuit missionaries were a tool for the projection of power. This is often overlooked by the faithful and certainly by most of the missionaries - who tend to believe they were doing God's work, but conversion of native people was done to enable control over them.
And if a fur company party was wiped out by native warriors it would be an epic failure, but with missionaries you need only call them martyrs to inspire future missions. Yes, martyrdom, that is making someone a saint, is done to reinforce church authority and expand power. Whether they believe in this magical incantations or not, the leaders of the church understand that power is the goal.
thank you for great videos.....so much history in the Great Lakes area
You're welcome! Yeah, the GLs have lots of interesting history.
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Wondering if the Iroquois played lacrosse near the fort???
Excellent.
If you want to watch a very well made movie about this period I highly suggest checking out the 1990 Canadian film Black Robe.
You do know your history sir. There is a school in the Soo named after Brule.
Guys, these videos are fantastic! When do you sign your deal with the discovery channel?
They said, "come back to us when you make up a convincing story about ancient alien viking pirates that hired Davinci as a caricature artist". So. . . not yet. 😂😂 But, I think they like us. . .
STI,aand anthrax, and force of the sword in the name of god
Minards mill is a interesting spot in Tompkins township summer birthday party place growing up
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watch the movie (black robe).
If you're a believer, the Hebrew God was pretty sure when he told his people not to proselytize but to live by example. So it's not far fetched to think that missionaries died as a result of their god being just a tad pissed at them for proselytizing. Besides, it's incomprehensible how many millions (if not billions) of people died in the name of the Christian God.
As a non-believer, you misinterpret the Gospel, even leaving out the whole part where Jesus tells His disciples to go out into the world preaching the good news. Granted, that's not proselytizing, which is why the Jesuits didn't proselytize. They found ways to preach the Gospel to people who spoke different languages, and they lived by example. Even today, the Maryknoll missionary priests in Communist China don't proselytize. It's illegal even to preach the Gospel to non-Christians there, let alone proselytize. So the Maryknolls live by example. And when the people ask why they help the poor and afflicted, they reply that it's because they follow the way of Jesus. That's how it's been throughout Christian history, as even reputable atheist scholars will affirm. The reputable are the ones who take scholarship seriously. The others just make up whatever suits them, and it just so happens that the unreputable ones disseminate noisy anti-Christian books and articles full of falsehoods. Go ahead and try to source your claims. All you'll find is references that ultimately point back to unreputable authors of anti-Christian works, proven to be full of falsehoods.
@@kimfleury As a non-believer I have a more objective take on your books. Jesus would never have, "...tells His disciples to go out into the world preaching the good news" because as Jew he would have known better. His God told his people to live by example, hence groups like the Amish are a fuck-ton closer to Christ's teachings than any evangelical bible thumper.
Moreover, *anything* attributed to Jesus that isn't based squarely in post-Babylonian 2nd Temple Judaism, are words/actions put in his mouth to grow the cult among pagans.
"Why Would I Want To Go To Heaven? No One I Know Is There!"
That Statement Makes Perfect Theological Sense!
So I Live In Wyandotte, MI. May I Assume That Is The Same People And Tribe As The Wendot?! Have Read Much About Native Tribes In Michigan, Particularly In Southeast As Well As Saginaw/Midland/Bay City Area Along The Tittabawasse River System. Now A Lot Of The Biography And Diary I Have Read From That Time Talks Of Cannibalism. So When You Talk Of The Iroquois Boiling The Jesuits And Then The Wendot "Stripping The Flesh From The Bones" I Am Wondering If Cannibalism Was Also An Underlying Motive. Back In The Day, Jesuit Makes A Fine Meal!
Another Great Video.
You Guys Are Great!
Actually, it was the Jesuits that did the stripping to preserve the bones as relics. The Wendat, I think, existed in the plains area of Ontario. Today, there is a small group in Quebec and a few in the western US. Almost all of the Wendat were wiped out by disease and attack from the Iroquois. By the end of this story, the only remaining Wendot traveled back to Quebec City with the Jesuits.