Love this Promaster line. I have the Pepsi. A small correction, you watch has the Miyota 8204 movement. This one handwinds and hacks the second hand, the 8203 only hand winds. You can see the movement number on your caseback.
@@knutjunker2019 yes but it’s known that under the transition to 8204 they still used dials with the 8203 markings during a period. But if the case back says 8204 then that’s what’s in it. And the easiest way to be sure is to see if it hacks the seconds hand.
Thanks for the review of a great watch George. I have owned two of these for over 10 years and they are rock solid excellent watches - a real classic in my view. Cheers Noel
I have mine on a marine nationale strap. I have this watch, the titanium one and the fugu. I also own the eco drive pro master diver. I own 4 seikos also and keep gravitating back to the citizens.
I bought the green and white eco-drive promaster with the bracelet, it is actually heavy with about 170 grams it feels like a brick of steel on your wrist. However, the color looks beautiful and surprisingly dressy. I replaced the original bracelet with a jubilee style one, and its just perfect, though not comfortable for everyday use.
Simply, if you want to buy an automatic indestructible ISO diver that will last 20 years, buy a Citizen Promaster. If you want to buy an eco-drive quartz indestructible ISO diver that will last 20 years, buy a Citizen Promaster. You're spot on in your review.
Absolutely right! I bought the same Coke (the NY0085 has the 8104-Movement with hacking) a few months ago for 180 Euros and since that day the Promaster is my daily beater. This Citizen is precise, reliable, robust, has a history and looks incredibly good; all the other watches in my collection are currently being criminally neglected. I bought the version with the stainless steel bracelet, but replaced it with a rubber strap straight away. However, as soon as Mark offered it again, I ordered the Jubilee bracelet from Long Island Watches. A great bracelet for a great watch that is worth every penny. I love this little Citizen, not just a tool watch for me, but also a piece of jewellery. Unfortunately, the watch does not come in the scuba tank in Germany. Good watches can cost a lot, but they don't have to.😅
Very pride with my full lume one, with a military green nato is very distintive and fells super ultilitarian. I feel pleasure to use the 60's clunky bezel, the crazy rotor and the action of the crown, how winds and you feel the mecanics when setting the hands. A special place in my small collection.
I own the NY0086 Pepsi on the bracelet and just recently purchased their new ISO rated diver NY0129 on bracelet as well. I own many Seiko divers but I’m loving my two Citizens divers 👍🏻💯
@@WatcheswithGeorge after looking more, so it turns out citizen wrongly put 8203 on their spec sheet, I saw again your video on minute 8:33 on the back case it says 8204 hence its hacking capability haha! Got it! Thanks sir
Hey Darren. The movement in this one hand winds so it already has a head start and it wears a bit smaller. Apart from that the only thing it's lacking is a sapphire crystal but then again so did the SKX. Also .. you can still buy this and it's cheap and it stayed cheap plus you can get this with a solar movement.
I was looking to buy an skx but the prices were ridiculous for what they are and the cheaper ones are usually fakes. So I bought this citizen second hand from ebay for 180$ it looked brand new,best deal ever and you are right for that kinda money this is the best watch.
I have this watch with blue dial and Pepsi bezel, it's really nice with great lume. The 60 click bezel is meh, not super ratchety. This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Citizen makes a nicer budget diver than Seiko.
My NY0040-17L was listed on Jomashop as having Miyota 8203 (non-hacking). When I got it, on the dial it says 8203, but on the case back it says 8204 (hacking). Mine does indeed hack, so it is truly a Miyota 8204 movement. Your video says 8203, but your case back also says 8204 like mine.
My ISO divers :I have the same model as you, an SKX013 ( will sell it ,though it has no issues?!) & a Certina DS 38/39 (?..) mm diver - the only worst thing is the 19mm lugs, anyway I got it for £514 from CW Sellors/ Jura watches - they had a discount or sale (sadly, no commission for me). I deal with ISO certification in my work - all things being equal I would choose an ISO diver. Mark from Long Island Watch has done a UA-cam about the certification.
Where is all the ALI express clomage lovers? lol I want to here all the back lash on his statement, which I agree with lol. Ali express watches have no business in the discussion. You also cant deny the military horology of the NY0040.
Totally agree. Surprised more Americans don’t know about this cult icon of a watch. Been around forever and still looks the goods. Classic up there with the SKX in my part of the world.
It's ok but I don't much care for the 8 series Miyota with it's stuttering seconds hand, and the notchy feel of the date change. Oh and the way the seconds hand jumps off the marker when pushing the crown in after hacking. The only thing I will say is I find them much easier and quicker to regulate than other watches in this price range
I do agree on the notchy feeling with the date. I feel that something will snap everytime I change it but still! I love it 😍. Thanks again for watching
@@knutjunker2019 You do because all 8 series Miyota movements do this. You're just not noticing.. The series of Miyota movements based on the 82XX caliber have the Indirect Drive system. All movements with this setup will experience the skipping seconds phenomenon, or it may become more visible in time.
@@knutjunker2019 The stuttering seconds hand isn't a problem. It's just a characteristic of the movement that some including me, don't like. Look it up. Miyota stuttering seconds hand
I have about 12 watches and they all range in price from $100 all the way up to the you know five digits. I'm going to tell you now you do not need to spend $10,000 $12,000 to get a good watch My favorite watches I swear to you our lunges citizens and I have a tso touch solar that I adore none of these watches cost more than $2,000 so you don't need to spend the money if you don't have to
Hey hey! Thanks for the comment and support. That's what I love about this. It still has that no fuss effect that sadly you don't get to experience anymore with the tons of new releases!
Pity it doesn't come with standard sapphire crystal like the cheapy AliExpress watches. 😂 Btw, I own many Citizens also the oldie diver ( in yellow!) 😊
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
Not sure if you watched the video but I did say that I'm not comparing it to that .. also, from what I know the Marlin is not diver's certified 😉 . So yeah,it can but not the same thing! Thanks again for the comment.
Great review George! The Promaster is an absolute legend.
Love this Promaster line. I have the Pepsi. A small correction, you watch has the Miyota 8204 movement. This one handwinds and hacks the second hand, the 8203 only hand winds. You can see the movement number on your caseback.
Right. But it says also 8103 on the dial. :-)
@@knutjunker2019 yes but it’s known that under the transition to 8204 they still used dials with the 8203 markings during a period. But if the case back says 8204 then that’s what’s in it. And the easiest way to be sure is to see if it hacks the seconds hand.
It's almost impossible to beat a Citizen Promaster. The entire Promaster line is phenomenal.
Thanks for the review of a great watch George. I have owned two of these for over 10 years and they are rock solid excellent watches - a real classic in my view. Cheers Noel
The dial is darker than any dial. Beyond black. Pitch black dial. I love it.
Piano black ! 🤩
That’s what i love about my Citizens: when they use black, it’s deeply black.
You are 100% correct, for that money there is only this one. Great beater watch.
I couldn't agree more! I don;t think there will be anything else like this coming in the near future!
I have mine on a marine nationale strap. I have this watch, the titanium one and the fugu. I also own the eco drive pro master diver. I own 4 seikos also and keep gravitating back to the citizens.
Citizen is really making a comeback this year I believe. They're really punching out good models!
Great video. Mine sits next to the SKX which neither get much wrist time. I want mine to stay in perfect condition. Nostalgia, definitely!
I have this watch on a bracelet from Long Island Watch.
Hi Chris, that's something that I wanted to get for it, it would truly elevate it!
I recently purchased the jubilee one from Long Island. Love it!
I bought the green and white eco-drive promaster with the bracelet, it is actually heavy with about 170 grams it feels like a brick of steel on your wrist. However, the color looks beautiful and surprisingly dressy. I replaced the original bracelet with a jubilee style one, and its just perfect, though not comfortable for everyday use.
What's the deal with the left handed crown on these automatics? (Is there a practical reason for that?)
In this case Citizen just did so it doesn't dig into your wrist. But you can get watches to wear on your right and and wind with your left.
Simply, if you want to buy an automatic indestructible ISO diver that will last 20 years, buy a Citizen Promaster. If you want to buy an eco-drive quartz indestructible ISO diver that will last 20 years, buy a Citizen Promaster. You're spot on in your review.
I own the fully lumed dial version.
Great review! I have the same watch. Love it!
Crazy good watch I have the fugu batman with the sapphire crystal. Amazing
Absolutely right! I bought the same Coke (the NY0085 has the 8104-Movement with hacking) a few months ago for 180 Euros and since that day the Promaster is my daily beater.
This Citizen is precise, reliable, robust, has a history and looks incredibly good; all the other watches in my collection are currently being criminally neglected.
I bought the version with the stainless steel bracelet, but replaced it with a rubber strap straight away. However, as soon as Mark offered it again, I ordered the Jubilee bracelet from Long Island Watches. A great bracelet for a great watch that is worth every penny. I love this little Citizen, not just a tool watch for me, but also a piece of jewellery.
Unfortunately, the watch does not come in the scuba tank in Germany.
Good watches can cost a lot, but they don't have to.😅
I got the NY0040-09E, great watch
Very pride with my full lume one, with a military green nato is very distintive and fells super ultilitarian. I feel pleasure to use the 60's clunky bezel, the crazy rotor and the action of the crown, how winds and you feel the mecanics when setting the hands.
A special place in my small collection.
Very well said Tito, a no fuss all thrill toll watch!
I love mine, the full lume one. Every colorway is nice though.
For me the most desirable is the NY0141-10L, i really like it 👍
The blue dial? That's proper cool!
@@WatcheswithGeorgeyep the blue disl and band, fantastic under the sun 😍
I own the NY0086 Pepsi on the bracelet and just recently purchased their new ISO rated diver NY0129 on bracelet as well. I own many Seiko divers but I’m loving my two Citizens divers 👍🏻💯
8024 with Hacking, 23 does not. Btw like the look with band on the right, aim to so as soon as my band comes. Can't not wear a proper watch..
is miyota 8203 have hacking? is it the 8204 that has it?cmiiw
This one according to the spec sheet has that movement and it does hack!
@@WatcheswithGeorge after looking more, so it turns out citizen wrongly put 8203 on their spec sheet, I saw again your video on minute 8:33 on the back case it says 8204 hence its hacking capability haha! Got it! Thanks sir
@@Ajisaurus :))))) , that's a good catch, and you're right on that! I'm happy that it does hack as it makes the entire package even more appealing!
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I’ve got the Citizen eco-drive solar diver. Love it. But I agree with you on the Promaster.
Cant comment on citizen divers because I've never owned one but if this bests a seiko skx then it must be one hell of a watch. Thanks for the review
Hey Darren. The movement in this one hand winds so it already has a head start and it wears a bit smaller. Apart from that the only thing it's lacking is a sapphire crystal but then again so did the SKX. Also .. you can still buy this and it's cheap and it stayed cheap plus you can get this with a solar movement.
I was looking to buy an skx but the prices were ridiculous for what they are and the cheaper ones are usually fakes. So I bought this citizen second hand from ebay for 180$ it looked brand new,best deal ever and you are right for that kinda money this is the best watch.
Very very true.. and I think we just don't realize how good this is!
@@WatcheswithGeorge 100% the skx is great for sure but in my opinion the finishing of the dial on the citizen is more premium.
I have this watch with blue dial and Pepsi bezel, it's really nice with great lume. The 60 click bezel is meh, not super ratchety. This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Citizen makes a nicer budget diver than Seiko.
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My NY0040-17L was listed on Jomashop as having Miyota 8203 (non-hacking). When I got it, on the dial it says 8203, but on the case back it says 8204 (hacking). Mine does indeed hack, so it is truly a Miyota 8204 movement. Your video says 8203, but your case back also says 8204 like mine.
My ISO divers :I have the same model as you, an SKX013 ( will sell it ,though it has no issues?!) & a Certina DS 38/39 (?..) mm diver - the only worst thing is the 19mm lugs, anyway I got it for £514 from CW Sellors/ Jura watches - they had a discount or sale (sadly, no commission for me).
I deal with ISO certification in my work - all things being equal I would choose an ISO diver. Mark from Long Island Watch has done a UA-cam about the certification.
Where is all the ALI express clomage lovers? lol I want to here all the back lash on his statement, which I agree with lol. Ali express watches have no business in the discussion. You also cant deny the military horology of the NY0040.
great watches for the price .
series 8 begs to differ, but the value for money in vintage seikos and citizens are just superb
Totally agree. Surprised more Americans don’t know about this cult icon of a watch. Been around forever and still looks the goods.
Classic up there with the SKX in my part of the world.
“It’s $200, get a life!” Had to subscribe after that one. 😂
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It's ok but I don't much care for the 8 series Miyota with it's stuttering seconds hand, and the notchy feel of the date change. Oh and the way the seconds hand jumps off the marker when pushing the crown in after hacking. The only thing I will say is I find them much easier and quicker to regulate than other watches in this price range
I do agree on the notchy feeling with the date. I feel that something will snap everytime I change it but still! I love it 😍. Thanks again for watching
I have none of these issues with my 8204 Promaster. No stutter, no jumping, normal date change.
@@knutjunker2019
You do because all 8 series Miyota movements do this. You're just not noticing..
The series of Miyota movements based on the 82XX caliber have the Indirect Drive system. All movements with this setup will experience the skipping seconds phenomenon, or it may become more visible in time.
@@AndySmith4501 Then I'll be curious to see when this happens. So far, the Promaster has been running continuously for 3 months without any problems.
@@knutjunker2019
The stuttering seconds hand isn't a problem. It's just a characteristic of the movement that some including me, don't like. Look it up. Miyota stuttering seconds hand
Don't swear, George! 😢
I try not to! Did I ? :))))
12 seconds is nothing. My Seikos are -20 seconds. Swiss movements are more accurant.
My Promaster is +2 Seconds a day. Swiss movement are fine, but some are also overrated.
Are you going to be French or Irish, can’t tell from accent
I'm neither. I'm actually Romanian :)))
I have about 12 watches and they all range in price from $100 all the way up to the you know five digits. I'm going to tell you now you do not need to spend $10,000 $12,000 to get a good watch My favorite watches I swear to you our lunges citizens and I have a tso touch solar that I adore none of these watches cost more than $2,000 so you don't need to spend the money if you don't have to
Hey hey! Thanks for the comment and support. That's what I love about this. It still has that no fuss effect that sadly you don't get to experience anymore with the tons of new releases!
cool, but i dont like the crown postion
That what make it special
The crown position is perfect.
Pity it doesn't come with standard sapphire crystal like the cheapy AliExpress watches. 😂
Btw, I own many Citizens also the oldie diver ( in yellow!) 😊
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
painful
Really.. ?? Why is that Leo!?
The CASIO MARLIN can do the same. For 50 bucks. For 150, you can get all 3 colors. 😂😂😂
Not sure if you watched the video but I did say that I'm not comparing it to that .. also, from what I know the Marlin is not diver's certified 😉 . So yeah,it can but not the same thing! Thanks again for the comment.
You can‘t compare a non certified Quartz-Casio to a mechanical Diver‘s. Even if the Duro is a great watch for the buck.
@@knutjunker2019 yeap.. couldn't agree more. You have to make if fair, otherwise we would all have G-shocks and be done with it! 😂
Marlin is not ISO certified so its not in the same class.
@@daleyfamily2179 neither are 99% of the people wearing a divers watch. 😆 🤣 😂
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