Mark: did you get one yourself ? if so, which model and caliber and (roughly) what was the cost ? (dbg in san francisco, ca.) please, no pity votes; you'd be here too if you grew up in the snowbelt of buffalo, ny ;)
@@trynagetbanned8483 California doesn't allow 410 Bore handguns. "All California legal handguns have specific CA legal barrels to use all of your favorite calibers with just 6 turns of a screw. Please note that the CA barrels will only fit the CA handguns, and the standard barrels will not fit the CA handguns. Also there are no 410 shot shell barrels available" (Bond Arms).
Thank you for this information. I have a Rowdy on order and expect it to arrive tomorrow or Friday. The market hasn't completely bounced back from the ammo shortage. I'm hoping to find some over the next couple of days. I'm in Fort Worth. Proud to have such a quality manufacturer near by.
@@BondArmsInc they are great Videos regardless. They are Very informative and helpful. So anyway you want to do them for us. Will be just fine. Thank you
Love my Bond Arms Derringer, I have 4.25" 410 barrel "riding shotgun" on my seatbelt and 3" 410 for pocket carry. Federal Premium Copper Plated 000 Buck in both.
What a perfect time for two of your newest Bond Arms fans to find and appreciate this really informative video. My wife was so impressed with my Texas Defender, she picked one out for her birthday. It came in last week and we just had to stop by the range on the way home. These are some of the most fun and functional firearms we've ever owned! I'm so impressed with your high quality products and exceptional customer service (Thank You, Sydra!) I just ordered another Texas Defender in another caliber.
I'm so glad to read that testimonial. And I'll be sure to pass along your thanks to Sydra. Comments like these really make my day, and it's so great that you are thoroughly enjoying your new Texas Defender!
Derringers are meant for point-blank range, so you load the top barrel with any 3 inch #4 birdshot, and the bottom barrel with 2.5 inch Federal handgun 000 buckshot. You fire the birdshot first, pointing at the face; that way you don't have to waste time aiming. You diminish and distract the attacker with that first quick shot, and likely blind them as well. Then you follow up with the buckshot. You want 2.5 inch buckshot, because they are higher velocity, since they're pushing less weight; which results in more penetration.
I had an issue with some light striking in my Bond Arms Roughneck 9 mm in the bottom barrel. Bond Arms had me send it in and replaced a couple of springs and now it runs like a champ.
I have never had any regrets buying my Texas Defender. With the right holster this is a really awesome carry backup Gun. Summer concealing is a breeze. My main carry is a Glock.
I have a snakeslayer and took it to the range to shoot one day with some 357mag. I shot about 3 rounds and that was all I could handle. When I came out of the back, a couple of guys asked me what I was shooting. It is rather loud with that 357mag round. I showed them my Bond Arms Derringer. They said they had heard about them but had never really seem one in person. I told them I had 3 barrels for it in different lengths and calibers. They were impressed. I told them to go next door to Academy and they could have one of their very own.
Nice video Gordon. I have a Texas Defender in 45 ACP that I got in about 2004. It is a pretty cool little gun. I can handle about 8 shots of standard pressure ACP before I have had enough. I put one Cor-Bon 200 grain +P through it once and that was enough. I agree with your reasoning about 45-70, that would be way to much IMO.
I did go shot my Bond cowboy ,357 .38. I love the gun it was easy to load and fire. I also ordered the .410 barel I just got today. I will say I love the quality. The gun is made in America. I still need to order the holster but I love the size and it would make a good concealed carry.
I was hoping they had a barrel in that arrangment also,maybe they do.by this video there is the 22mag and 22long but not sure in what combo.would be nice too just plink the 22long and have the 410 for defense or snakes,varmits ect.dont know there 22 setup though.so are you hearing us bond h.r.?snooky pa.(just got the rowdy n of course no ammo to get.dam!!!)
I just picked up my "Rough n Rowdy". Ive been wanting one of these style Derringer pistols. I had intially looked at the "Judge" which sparked my interest in one that has interchangeable barrels. But i really made my decision from researching a Online Ad when I ran onto a "Bond Arms" add online. After seeing ALL the different makes and models of this style pistol. I was really impressed. And once I seen that it was a Family owned American Company. That sealed the deal for me! Im big on family owned and small business support!!! Im trying to see whats a decent ammo to target practice with and also for carrying concealed. Im very excited to go out and shoot this gun. Im from WV and im sooo glad we still have our rights and abilities to just go out and shoot responsibly as well as carry.
Thank you for purchasing from a small family business! The interchangeable barrels truly make our pistols a one-of-a-kind, and there are even folks out there who collect barrels in all sorts of calibers for their single Bond Arms frame! At my last count, there were something like 115 different barrels that will fit your frame with difference options of finish, length, and caliber. Have a gander at the barrel section of our website! www.bondarms.com/Accessory-Barrels-C940.aspx
I just purchased one of the roughnecks in 38 special and right out of the box the round extractor was extremely loose. After tightening it the roughneck was almost next to impossible to open with rounds in it. If i fire the rounds and work with it, it is still to tight but will open. It doesnt matter what brand of ammo or even with new unfired brass it is still a bear to open most of the time. In fact it opens better with my reloads. This one slipped through quality control. I contacted them and they wanted pictures and a description of the problem and hopefully will get back with me but i cant believe they sent this one out.
We do pretty strict quality control in multiple steps to ensure this does not happen, but even we make mistakes from time to time. Has your problem been resolved going through customer service?
i load 45colt with 230 fmj or hp jacketed. max load of blue dot in a snake slayer 3.5. fanned from the hip ,i get basket ball size orange fireballs. loads of fun right at dusk. thanks for making a tank of a little gun. is one of my favorites.
I just bought the Cyclops in 45-70 and will soon buy the .44 mag barrel for it. I will also buy the .50 AE when it comes out. I guess you changed your mind since this video and I’m glad you did. Love your derringers, I have a few and a few extra barrels.
We did, indeed! When we discovered that we could 3D print a really tough resin in decent quantity, it allowed us to expand into the more brutal rounds. Back when we tested .44Mag, the recoil literally shattered wooden grips and ripped the rubber ones. But, technology eventually solved this issue, and we invented the B6 grip which isn't just tough, but also does a really nice job balancing felt recoil.
Excellent Question! The short answer is: no. Surprised? Here is why: Since our derringers don't have a big rotating cylinder like a revolver does, the barrels sit lower in relation to the shooter's hand. Being lower, barrels are actually in-line with the top bone of the shooter's arm directly behind the wrist. So when the Bond is fired, the recoil is a push against the palm rather than a flip up at the muzzle. If the barrels sat up higher, that would change the angle of recoil and the gun would flip up at the muzzle end because the fulcrum (I so rarely get to use that word!) is at the wrist. Since this is not the case when it comes to the Bond derringers, we regularly see younger and more slight individuals shooting our hand cannons in .45 Colt and full 3" .410 shotgun rounds with zero recoil issues like knuckle -busting. Hope this helps!
I'm planning to get one of these honestly more for the fun factor than anything, so I'm planning on getting the 9mm version, since 9mm is pretty cheap and I generally have a decent amount of it on hand for other guns I own. May eventually get some of the other barrels as well.
@@BondArmsInc Yep, I don't mind picking up a gun I don't "need" from time to time. Recently got a Taurus Public Defender, no reason, just for the hell of it. Plus with Bond, I'm supporting a relatively local company(I'm up the road near Ft Worth)
Hey. Was kicking around an option you could add to your list. As all the derringers are the same blank. How about a laser holster combination. The laser would snap onto the barrel. And when extracted from the holster would activate. So any time it is clear of the holster it would be on. As they are short barreled this would help with shot placement over a longer distance. And would add so little to the size of the gun. This is an idea solely thought of by myself and I am not claiming any rights to it. I would like the ability to get something quality made and I feel others would appreciate it as well.
Cool idea! But, most ideas like this end up being developed and implemented after-market instead of by the producer of the original firearm. Our facility is geared for working with steel and lead versus leather and lasers. But maybe someone will develop this idea!
I have the Y2K century 2000, its the finest gun I have ever owned period and I have at least 21 different hand guns. Amazing quality and perfection in engineering!
Been considering one for concealed carry when i have to wear a suit. Small enough that it's not going to advertise itself but still a large caliber. Them board meetings can get rough sometimes.
Thank you for making such a wonderful Derringer no need to add any of those ridiculous rifle cartridges to a derringer. You offer plenty of choices for almost every situation you will encounter for social work.
Question: Mentioned in your video that you do not recommend +P loads, but if you have the .357 Magnum/.38 Special Barrel mounted, then you should be able to shoot a +P or +P+ .38. Am I right?
I got a little 22 type shooting the lr ammo i have to use a flathead screw driver to push out the shells they swell up in the chamber idk how to fix it
Fiocchi 410 always bulges....just don't cheap out on ammo an you should be good.....the pdx1 3 inch is my fav, 4 disks and 16 bbs....that's 20 projectiles in a single trigger pull...not bad lol
I want to know if buffalo bore 180 gr 357 mag can be shot in a bond arms. Buffalo bore says it can be shot in any modern gun but it's hire pressure. So I guess I just don't know if it excludes this gun. Plus you should make a 44 and a 45-70. I know so many people that would buy one.
Regarding the Buffalo Bore: Our engineers and QC department have deemed it a "no-go" as the pressure is indeed very high. We do have a .44! Two in fact. 44-40 and 44Spl. :) .44Mag and 45-70 is just too much kick. When we tried test firing the .44Mag out of a 6" ported barrel, several employees were injured. We won't put that out for the public because it's not responsible.
Thank you. Your video is ten years old it worth watching. I’m looking at the new stinger but noticed there isn’t one for the .410. Will there be one coming?
The reason we call it "Stinger" is because of the sensation in your shooting hand. .410 isn't really on the radar because it would really be unpleasant to fire. 9mm is about as hot as we want to take it.
I just got a Bond Cowboy .357 or .38. I look forward to trying this gun. I will be looking into buying a .410 barrel and a holster. I may use it home defence or target shooting. I love the quality and finish. I am a little nervous to shot the .357 for the first time. I will get the gun tomorrow and let you know.
I eventually decided to go with the 3.5" in 9mm. Several inches of proper rifling should let it achieve good velocity and accuracy. I might get a 45 ACP barrel as well.
Our business model was not originally set up to handle all the different tax situations between different states and municipalities, so we are holding off for a bit.
I have a .45 ACP Roughneck that is having light striking issues, occasionally with Aguila maybe 2/50. But with Winchester it's awful, maybe 2/10 rounds it just won't pop. I did buy it used, so it's possible the firing pin has just gotten dirty somehow, so I just gave it a deep clean, but there's definitely an issue with Winchester's lighter 45 ACP round.
I tried to shoot two of the CCI Shot Shells shown in this video in my Snake Slayer today and the gun just clicked and didn’t fire. It shot 410s and 45 Colts fine. Why wouldn’t it fire the CCIs?
@@JB_Ricks I tried 2 of them. Seemed safe enough. Recoil and noise were pretty normal for 45LC. It’s probably just a liability thing. Wanna cover themselves just in case it didn’t turn out to be safe. Plus at like $5 a shot, I doubt they were springing that kind of money for testing
I just bought one of your guns the 45/410 rowdy. I was wanting to know can I get a 6in in 38/357. And would you recommend it. In that caliber. I was thinking more power the longer the barrel. Would that be the case if I got that barrel. I'm a big fan now. It's my only carry.
It can be. Really just depends on barrel length, range, and grains of load. I suggest trying a higher grain bullet. The longer bullet will get more centrifugal direction from the rifling of the barrel. I assume you've got a 3" barrel, so that may help.
I have 3 Bond Arms derringers in 22lr and 22 mag and no matter what ammo I use it hey always stick. CCI being my favorite but I’ve tried almost all the brands that my LGS carry. I don’t have that issue with either of my American Arms derringers ( small revolvers ). Still I like the Bond Arms guns.
This is one of many reasons we stopped producing the .22 barrels. They just run centerfire much better. However, we do plan to have .22LR for the Stinger and Stinger RS by the end of the year, so don't get rid of that ammo!
If you have a Rowdy, then yes. The Rough is a 45ACP, and so Colt and 410 will not fit. The proper caliber and shell length is engraved on the side of the barrel for reference.
So in the .357 i should not use .38 +p? Confused even my s&w airweaight is rated +p but the material will not handle .357. To be clear i can shoot .38 or .357 but NOT .38 +p?
I think Bond Arms has a kick ass product. What I would like to see from Bond Arms is a light weight(artistically machined), long barreled derringer with recoil absorbing back-strap, I think this would be huge on the C.C. market. A 16 ounce 2 1/2" 410/45colt with a 4" barrel would be a market crusher.
I got a roughneck in 38/357. Then I bought a 10mm barrel. I should have gotten a 40 caliber. 10mm is a hand cannon and I shot 4 rounds. Heck of a gun for sure, and got a good deal.
I have the Roughneck in. 357 /. 38spl. Did you say to not shoot +P out of it? Isn't the pressure of the. 357 higher than +P? Thanks, I'm new to this. Cheers.
Man, I've got to tell you. I am a pistol loving individual. I carry several different name brands and several different sizes of guns. I bought the rough and rowdy a few days ago and I am excessively impressed and I'm not that easily impressed. The little gun is pretty daggone accurate! It sounds like a cannon and I would not recommend ever shooting it without ear appreciation which is my only concern. I carry mine with a side draw holster just in case somebody is unlucky enough to try to carjack me. I think I'm going to have to keep my ear muffs really close by. That thing is a Canon! I'm probably going to order a longer Barrel so I can shoot the 3-inch 410 shells. I tell you, it's a lot of fun to shoot. I was Target practicing today and some of my gums are a little bit touchy. I had a PMR-30 and it just wasn't laying down rounds like it should have but then again, I didn't clean it the last time I shot it. I had a couple North American Arms pocket guns on me and I must say the 22 long rifle with the slightly bigger rubber grip is a Accurate Gun. My North American Arms 22 Mag is shooting a little to the left. I've got my rifle sighted in So Perfect I should be striking matches like Jed Clampett. I put my earmuffs on and walk down a little closer to the Woods with the rough and rowdy. I was on Target but I did not expect that kind of power. I only shot one two and a half inch Triple ought buck shot and the rest for cowboy loads of 45 Colt. I LOVE IT! Talk about a thrill. I can shoot it with one hand but it takes two for me to pull that a hammer back. I don't mind. I was considering buying a 454 Casull a while back. I'm not hunting elephant and if I were I could probably get one with that gun. I seldom buy any gun that I'm this pleased with Straight Out of the Box. Most handguns are a pain in the ass and you have to spend a lot of time cleaning them and figuring out which ammo works the best. These guns are simple but extremely robust. It's my favorite gun. Now if someone could just invent automatic ear plugs. I'm going to get on that right away😁. Thank you so very much for making a product that actually live up to the hype. I've got a lot of guns and most don't! I will recommend these guns to everyone I know I know a lot of gun shooting freedom-loving Americans.
Hello I have the rough neck 38/ 357 and I only shot it like four times and I am having problems with misfires. And I shipped it back to bond and said they fixed it and I am still having misfires could it be the ammunition.I and firing armscor ammunition out of it.
That is possible. We do most of our quality testing with Winchester. Try a box, and see if that doesn't work. If not, please contact is again and we will do our best to make sure things are working to your satisfaction. 817-573-4445.
2 1/2 inch 410 Bore shotshells with 9 shot will pulverize any snake. Although 410 Bore shotshells are crazy expensive when available. The 45 Automatic cartridge in a 3 inch barrel would be handy and probably more accurate then the 45 Colt jumping to the short rifling in a 410 Bore/45 Colt barrel. I'm buying the 45 Colt only 3.5 inch barrel for my Bond Arms Snake Slayer. I just need more rifling than a 1/2 inch.
Very nice. Though I will warn on something you kinda said. The 45 automatic cannot be shot in a 45 Colt. It is rimless, and would get lost in the deeper chamber. But if that's not what you were getting at in your second paragraph, then never mind!
@@BondArmsInc I should have clarified I was talking about the 3" Defender barrel labeled 45 ACP. I would like to find a 3.5 inch 45 Colt only barrel, but it's impossible to locate for purchase. This would give me at least 2.2 inches of usable rifling.
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Bond arms now selling 45-70 and 44 magnum cyclops chamberings. Excellent job being able to bring that to market.
Technology changes things!
Really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us about ammo! More gun manufacturers should be as hands on!
Thank you for your positive comment.
Even though this video is 10 years old now, it's still very helpful. Thank you for putting it together.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the California compliant version, when everyone is pulling out you guys are stepping up and that's a plus for us.
Mark: did you get one yourself ? if so, which model and caliber and (roughly) what was the cost ?
(dbg in san francisco, ca.) please, no pity votes; you'd be here too if you grew up in the snowbelt of buffalo, ny ;)
@@zazen2004 I grew up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (snow belt) and you'll never catch me dead in California let alone alive.
How is a gun with a 2 shot max capacity not already California compliant? Lol
@@trynagetbanned8483 California doesn't allow 410 Bore handguns.
"All California legal handguns have specific CA legal barrels to use all of your favorite calibers with just 6 turns of a screw. Please note that the CA barrels will only fit the CA handguns, and the standard barrels will not fit the CA handguns. Also there are no 410 shot shell barrels available" (Bond Arms).
@@yooper7753 Man, California sucks.
Thank you for this information. I have a Rowdy on order and expect it to arrive tomorrow or Friday. The market hasn't completely bounced back from the ammo shortage. I'm hoping to find some over the next couple of days. I'm in Fort Worth. Proud to have such a quality manufacturer near by.
Thank you - great presentation. I wish you had a clip on mic which might have eliminated the room echo.
We may try that soon. We're not real fancy around here, and most of these are just shot on my cell phone.
@@BondArmsInc they are great Videos regardless. They are Very informative and helpful.
So anyway you want to do them for us. Will be just fine.
Thank you
Love my Bond Arms Derringer, I have 4.25" 410 barrel "riding shotgun" on my seatbelt and 3" 410 for pocket carry. Federal Premium Copper Plated 000 Buck in both.
What a perfect time for two of your newest Bond Arms fans to find and appreciate this really informative video.
My wife was so impressed with my Texas Defender, she picked one out for her birthday. It came in last week and we just had to stop by the range on the way home. These are some of the most fun and functional firearms we've ever owned!
I'm so impressed with your high quality products and exceptional customer service (Thank You, Sydra!) I just ordered another Texas Defender in another caliber.
I'm so glad to read that testimonial. And I'll be sure to pass along your thanks to Sydra. Comments like these really make my day, and it's so great that you are thoroughly enjoying your new Texas Defender!
They now make a .44 magnum (barrel is too long for my taste) and it's called the "Make My Day", engraved on the side. I love it.
My favorite small carry piece. Quality!
3" 40 S&W
3.5" 45 acp
Derringers are meant for point-blank range, so you load the top barrel with any 3 inch #4 birdshot, and the bottom barrel with 2.5 inch Federal handgun 000 buckshot. You fire the birdshot first, pointing at the face; that way you don't have to waste time aiming. You diminish and distract the attacker with that first quick shot, and likely blind them as well. Then you follow up with the buckshot. You want 2.5 inch buckshot, because they are higher velocity, since they're pushing less weight; which results in more penetration.
I just got my first Bond Arms Derringer can’t wait to try it out
I had an issue with some light striking in my Bond Arms Roughneck 9 mm in the bottom barrel. Bond Arms had me send it in and replaced a couple of springs and now it runs like a champ.
Just checking on things. Has your problem been resolved?
@@BondArmsInc Yes! Thank you Bond Arms great customer service.
I have never had any regrets buying my Texas Defender. With the right holster this is a really awesome carry backup Gun. Summer concealing is a breeze. My main carry is a Glock.
I have a snakeslayer and took it to the range to shoot one day with some 357mag. I shot about 3 rounds and that was all I could handle. When I came out of the back, a couple of guys asked me what I was shooting. It is rather loud with that 357mag round. I showed them my Bond Arms Derringer. They said they had heard about them but had never really seem one in person. I told them I had 3 barrels for it in different lengths and calibers. They were impressed. I told them to go next door to Academy and they could have one of their very own.
Thanks! We love our fans!
Thank you for the California compliant version, A well needed, just in time product.
Really the regular ones are not legal in CA ? 😵 CA sucks no offense.
@@AK74Man87 California is offensive. I wish it wasn't so that they would go back home.
How about pocket carry,personal Protection. 1st barrel 410, 2nd 45 long colt, range about five yards, nighttime mugging situation.
Thank you so much. Great video and your derringer is QUALITY unsurpassed in my 64 years. A pleasure to be able to own and use it.
I was shocked by the quality......nice
Nice video Gordon. I have a Texas Defender in 45 ACP that I got in about 2004. It is a pretty cool little gun. I can handle about 8 shots of standard pressure ACP before I have had enough. I put one Cor-Bon 200 grain +P through it once and that was enough. I agree with your reasoning about 45-70, that would be way to much IMO.
If the bullet doesn't stop them being on fire should.
I did go shot my Bond cowboy ,357 .38. I love the gun it was easy to load and fire. I also ordered the .410 barel I just got today. I will say I love the quality. The gun is made in America. I still need to order the holster but I love the size and it would make a good concealed carry.
Actually you are very professional, and give the important information about the differences between the types of bullets .
could you please do some gel testing for the 3 inch shell with 000 buck shot and the 45 long colt?
Though a 16” barrel and a stock option would be fun with a .410/22 mag combination. I would buy that!
I was hoping they had a barrel in that arrangment also,maybe they do.by this video there is the 22mag and 22long but not sure in what combo.would be nice too just plink the 22long and have the 410 for defense or snakes,varmits ect.dont know there 22 setup though.so are you hearing us bond h.r.?snooky pa.(just got the rowdy n of course no ammo to get.dam!!!)
I just picked up my "Rough n Rowdy". Ive been wanting one of these style Derringer pistols. I had intially looked at the "Judge" which sparked my interest in one that has interchangeable barrels.
But i really made my decision from researching a Online Ad when I ran onto a "Bond Arms" add online. After seeing ALL the different makes and models of this style pistol. I was really impressed. And once I seen that it was a Family owned American Company. That sealed the deal for me! Im big on family owned and small business support!!!
Im trying to see whats a decent ammo to target practice with and also for carrying concealed.
Im very excited to go out and shoot this gun. Im from WV and im sooo glad we still have our rights and abilities to just go out and shoot responsibly as well as carry.
Thank you for purchasing from a small family business! The interchangeable barrels truly make our pistols a one-of-a-kind, and there are even folks out there who collect barrels in all sorts of calibers for their single Bond Arms frame! At my last count, there were something like 115 different barrels that will fit your frame with difference options of finish, length, and caliber. Have a gander at the barrel section of our website! www.bondarms.com/Accessory-Barrels-C940.aspx
I just bought a patriot. I am absolutely in love with it.
Great product Gordon. American manufacturing that is successful. Thank God what a breath of fresh air!
I carry my Bond Ranger everyday . I like the way it conceals about the same size as a cell phone under a shirt. Also it is fun to shoot.
I just purchased one of the roughnecks in 38 special and right out of the box the round extractor was extremely loose. After tightening it the roughneck was almost next to impossible to open with rounds in it. If i fire the rounds and work with it, it is still to tight but will open. It doesnt matter what brand of ammo or even with new unfired brass it is still a bear to open most of the time. In fact it opens better with my reloads. This one slipped through quality control. I contacted them and they wanted pictures and a description of the problem and hopefully will get back with me but i cant believe they sent this one out.
We do pretty strict quality control in multiple steps to ensure this does not happen, but even we make mistakes from time to time. Has your problem been resolved going through customer service?
Bond arms sent me another barrel assembly and the Roughneck is closing and ejecting the way it is supposed too. The customer service is really good.
Show the 44 special some love!
How about .410 slugs?
i load 45colt with 230 fmj or hp jacketed. max load of blue dot in a snake slayer 3.5. fanned from the hip ,i get basket ball size orange fireballs. loads of fun right at dusk. thanks for making a tank of a little gun. is one of my favorites.
I just bought the Cyclops in 45-70 and will soon buy the .44 mag barrel for it. I will also buy the .50 AE when it comes out. I guess you changed your mind since this video and I’m glad you did. Love your derringers, I have a few and a few extra barrels.
We did, indeed! When we discovered that we could 3D print a really tough resin in decent quantity, it allowed us to expand into the more brutal rounds. Back when we tested .44Mag, the recoil literally shattered wooden grips and ripped the rubber ones. But, technology eventually solved this issue, and we invented the B6 grip which isn't just tough, but also does a really nice job balancing felt recoil.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the quality of your derringers and range of calibers. I have the .22 and the .45-70 and several in between.
Does anybody have problems with knuckle busting ?
Excellent Question! The short answer is: no. Surprised? Here is why:
Since our derringers don't have a big rotating cylinder like a revolver does, the barrels sit lower in relation to the shooter's hand. Being lower, barrels are actually in-line with the top bone of the shooter's arm directly behind the wrist. So when the Bond is fired, the recoil is a push against the palm rather than a flip up at the muzzle.
If the barrels sat up higher, that would change the angle of recoil and the gun would flip up at the muzzle end because the fulcrum (I so rarely get to use that word!) is at the wrist. Since this is not the case when it comes to the Bond derringers, we regularly see younger and more slight individuals shooting our hand cannons in .45 Colt and full 3" .410 shotgun rounds with zero recoil issues like knuckle -busting.
Hope this helps!
Is there a .45 hollow point that would work with a derringer?
Yes, you can use hollow points in our guns. We chamber 45LC and 45 ACP depending on which 45 you were referring to.
@@BondArmsInc Thanks, I’m interested in the Rowdy. Which hollow point ammo fits in that gun?
@@impettus 45 Long Colt. But stay away from the +P ammo. Winchester Defender 225gr is an excellent choice.
@@BondArmsInc Thanks, I plan to pick up a Bond Arms derringer. You guys are great.
@@impettus Thank you! We really appreciate it!
What a great American gun company ! Thanks for the quality products .
I'm planning to get one of these honestly more for the fun factor than anything, so I'm planning on getting the 9mm version, since 9mm is pretty cheap and I generally have a decent amount of it on hand for other guns I own. May eventually get some of the other barrels as well.
Excellent idea! Mine definitely isn't my EDC or nightstand piece, but they are novel, fun, and built like tanks!
@@BondArmsInc Yep, I don't mind picking up a gun I don't "need" from time to time. Recently got a Taurus Public Defender, no reason, just for the hell of it. Plus with Bond, I'm supporting a relatively local company(I'm up the road near Ft Worth)
Hey.
Was kicking around an option you could add to your list.
As all the derringers are the same blank.
How about a laser holster combination. The laser would snap onto the barrel. And when extracted from the holster would activate. So any time it is clear of the holster it would be on. As they are short barreled this would help with shot placement over a longer distance. And would add so little to the size of the gun.
This is an idea solely thought of by myself and I am not claiming any rights to it. I would like the ability to get something quality made and I feel others would appreciate it as well.
Cool idea! But, most ideas like this end up being developed and implemented after-market instead of by the producer of the original firearm. Our facility is geared for working with steel and lead versus leather and lasers. But maybe someone will develop this idea!
I have the Y2K century 2000, its the finest gun I have ever owned period and I have at least 21 different hand guns. Amazing quality and perfection in engineering!
Thank you! We take pride in every gun that leaves the factory, and I think our Quality Control is second to none.
@@BondArmsInc I wholeheartedly agree!
Thank You!
I love my .45 lc /.410 for EDC keeps me feeling safe when I go out .
It's a great load.
Been considering one for concealed carry when i have to wear a suit. Small enough that it's not going to advertise itself but still a large caliber. Them board meetings can get rough sometimes.
Bust ten 000 Buck pellets through the conference table and no one's going to deny your budget request
Can confirm, my boss has no longer denies my vacation requests.
Just purchased the Black Jack. I love it. It’s my EDC
The Blackjack is a beautiful gun!
Thank you for making such a wonderful Derringer no need to add any of those ridiculous rifle cartridges to a derringer. You offer plenty of choices for almost every situation you will encounter for social work.
Ordered yesterday and eagerly awaiting the roughneck 45 acp to be my smaller backup to my Springfield 45xds mod2. 😀😀
I'm sure it will be there soon.
@@BondArmsInc got it in mid last week! Shot first time Mon. Very nice. I'm already planning on that 410/45lc 3in barrel soon!
Thanks just purchased one from a buddy and you answered alot of my questions
Question: Mentioned in your video that you do not recommend +P loads, but if you have the .357 Magnum/.38 Special Barrel mounted, then you should be able to shoot a +P or +P+ .38. Am I right?
WC Sessa n the barrel release release
Can the barrel release be switched for left hand shooter and is there a left hand holster available?
I got a little 22 type shooting the lr ammo i have to use a flathead screw driver to push out the shells they swell up in the chamber idk how to fix it
Fiocchi 410 always bulges....just don't cheap out on ammo an you should be good.....the pdx1 3 inch is my fav, 4 disks and 16 bbs....that's 20 projectiles in a single trigger pull...not bad lol
Just bought a Rowdy. I'm in love!
Great video thanks! Picking up the Texas defender next week and looking forward to it.
Have fun!
they did a 45 70 it is called the Alaskan 45 70 out of one barrel and 410 barrel.
Love my SnakeSlayer4, don't go anywhere without it.
I want to know if buffalo bore 180 gr 357 mag can be shot in a bond arms. Buffalo bore says it can be shot in any modern gun but it's hire pressure. So I guess I just don't know if it excludes this gun. Plus you should make a 44 and a 45-70. I know so many people that would buy one.
Regarding the Buffalo Bore: Our engineers and QC department have deemed it a "no-go" as the pressure is indeed very high.
We do have a .44! Two in fact. 44-40 and 44Spl. :)
.44Mag and 45-70 is just too much kick. When we tried test firing the .44Mag out of a 6" ported barrel, several employees were injured. We won't put that out for the public because it's not responsible.
I have trouble closing the gun sometimes when using mixed 45 colt and 410's.
Can you use .45 cal Lehigh Defense max. expansion round
Thank you. Your video is ten years old it worth watching. I’m looking at the new stinger but noticed there isn’t one for the .410. Will there be one coming?
The reason we call it "Stinger" is because of the sensation in your shooting hand. .410 isn't really on the radar because it would really be unpleasant to fire. 9mm is about as hot as we want to take it.
I just got a Bond Cowboy .357 or .38. I look forward to trying this gun. I will be looking into buying a .410 barrel and a holster. I may use it home defence or target shooting. I love the quality and finish. I am a little nervous to shot the .357 for the first time. I will get the gun tomorrow and let you know.
I eventually decided to go with the 3.5" in 9mm. Several inches of proper rifling should let it achieve good velocity and accuracy. I might get a 45 ACP barrel as well.
Let us know how it shoots!
Well hurry up and get it to me so I can run some drills.
Thank you very kindly for the tutorial for my Snake Slayer. It was really appreciated.
How come you don't sell barrels and holsters and grips directly to the public?
Our business model was not originally set up to handle all the different tax situations between different states and municipalities, so we are holding off for a bit.
This is very helpful information. I just bought one of your guns and can't wait to get out to the range with it!
Yep. Snake Slayer IV is my truck gun. Love it. Glad to see more videos comming out from Bond Arms. Keep up the great work.
Thanks,
Donnie D
bondarms is simply fantastic. very impressed. thank you
Short & concise for the newbies, love my Snake Slayer
What about all the Sabot and rifled sabot .410 rounds that are out now?
Have a c22m. Sent it back once. Cases will not eject have to pry them out.
Great stuff, answered a lot of my questions. I am picking mine up this week and do intend to use it for snakes only.
I’m from Austin TX & I bought The Bonds Arms 6in Derringer & I Really like my Gun,…I give it a 10 out of 10,…👍
Jesse James
Awesome! Did you get the Texan in 45/410?
I have a .45 ACP Roughneck that is having light striking issues, occasionally with Aguila maybe 2/50. But with Winchester it's awful, maybe 2/10 rounds it just won't pop. I did buy it used, so it's possible the firing pin has just gotten dirty somehow, so I just gave it a deep clean, but there's definitely an issue with Winchester's lighter 45 ACP round.
Call our Customer Service line at 817-573-4445 and let Jeff know what is going on. We'll take care of you.
I tried to shoot two of the CCI Shot Shells shown in this video in my Snake Slayer today and the gun just clicked and didn’t fire. It shot 410s and 45 Colts fine. Why wouldn’t it fire the CCIs?
Wish I could find a 22 mag barrel for mine
Is there a particular reason that Lehigh defense says their 45lc judge load isn't recommended for the bond?
I don't know the reason, but I guess i won't be trying it.
I would like to know if anyone has done this. Would be a perfect platform for it.
@@JB_Ricks I tried 2 of them. Seemed safe enough. Recoil and noise were pretty normal for 45LC. It’s probably just a liability thing. Wanna cover themselves just in case it didn’t turn out to be safe. Plus at like $5 a shot, I doubt they were springing that kind of money for testing
I just bought one of your guns the 45/410 rowdy. I was wanting to know can I get a 6in in 38/357. And would you recommend it. In that caliber. I was thinking more power the longer the barrel. Would that be the case if I got that barrel. I'm a big fan now. It's my only carry.
I have a Texas defender 357 bond that keyhole ammunition. Is this normal for the derringers? Other than that I love it.
It can be. Really just depends on barrel length, range, and grains of load. I suggest trying a higher grain bullet. The longer bullet will get more centrifugal direction from the rifling of the barrel. I assume you've got a 3" barrel, so that may help.
I have 3 Bond Arms derringers in 22lr and 22 mag and no matter what ammo I use it hey always stick. CCI being my favorite but I’ve tried almost all the brands that my LGS carry. I don’t have that issue with either of my American Arms derringers ( small revolvers ). Still I like the Bond Arms guns.
This is one of many reasons we stopped producing the .22 barrels. They just run centerfire much better. However, we do plan to have .22LR for the Stinger and Stinger RS by the end of the year, so don't get rid of that ammo!
Wouldn't the 45 Autorim and 45 Schofield fit and function safely in the Bond Arms Snake Slayer model?
Good morning sir so i have the rough n rowdy so you're saying we can use the 45 colt bullets or the 2.5 inch 410 am i correct
If you have a Rowdy, then yes. The Rough is a 45ACP, and so Colt and 410 will not fit. The proper caliber and shell length is engraved on the side of the barrel for reference.
What do you think of Hornady's new trpile defense 410 shells?
So in the .357 i should not use .38 +p? Confused even my s&w airweaight is rated +p but the material will not handle .357. To be clear i can shoot .38 or .357 but NOT .38 +p?
He answered this question under someone else asking the same thing. 38+p is fine but no 357+p.
What about best ammo for the 9mm roughneck?
my question is... is the barrel rifled to benefit the 45 colt or is it smooth bore to benefit 410 shot shells?
Derringer come in a 4 inch barrel for the 357?
Got the Rowdy .45/410. Great gun
will a 3 inch barrel fire 3 inch 410 shells or does it require 3.5 barrel
how about "45 cowboy" , i seen at a local gun store. similar to a short 45 colt. will it chamber?
Thank You BOND ARMS !!!! Amazing Firearms !!!
Where can you order a snake slayer 4 now
I was curious about the 410 slug for close self defense? Or is the .45 ammo better?
I would personally go with the .45LC. Better velocities and rifling.
I think Bond Arms has a kick ass product. What I would like to see from Bond Arms is a light weight(artistically machined), long barreled derringer with recoil absorbing back-strap, I think this would be huge on the C.C. market. A 16 ounce 2 1/2" 410/45colt with a 4" barrel would be a market crusher.
They have that. 👌
Does this Derek get come in a 4 inch barrel for the 357?
Hi is it the CCI “Pest Control Shotshell 45 Auto 9 Shot Size?”
Yes. Other pest control rounds from other brands are marked as a "12", but CCI goes with a "9".
Can I use those 3 inch .410 Magnum slugs with full brass casings in my Snake Slayer 3.5 inch? Thank you
What about the 410 slugs
You can use slugs.
thanks - was looking into getting one - so this was really helpful
Glad we could help!
Can you fire a .45 maximum expansion round made by Lehigh Defense ?
I got a roughneck in 38/357. Then I bought a 10mm barrel. I should have gotten a 40 caliber. 10mm is a hand cannon and I shot 4 rounds. Heck of a gun for sure, and got a good deal.
Glad to hear you like it!
I have the Roughneck in. 357 /. 38spl. Did you say to not shoot +P out of it? Isn't the pressure of the. 357 higher than +P? Thanks, I'm new to this. Cheers.
We have to say "no +p" across the board, but 38Spl is fine. But no .357Mag in +P.
@@BondArmsInc Thank you for the clarification. Great gun btw.
@@kravenofspider Thank you! We do take pride in our work!
I need a stainless steel grip screw for my patriot.mine has been rusting.where can I get one to fit it?
Man, I've got to tell you. I am a pistol loving individual. I carry several different name brands and several different sizes of guns. I bought the rough and rowdy a few days ago and I am excessively impressed and I'm not that easily impressed. The little gun is pretty daggone accurate! It sounds like a cannon and I would not recommend ever shooting it without ear appreciation which is my only concern. I carry mine with a side draw holster just in case somebody is unlucky enough to try to carjack me. I think I'm going to have to keep my ear muffs really close by. That thing is a Canon! I'm probably going to order a longer Barrel so I can shoot the 3-inch 410 shells. I tell you, it's a lot of fun to shoot. I was Target practicing today and some of my gums are a little bit touchy. I had a PMR-30 and it just wasn't laying down rounds like it should have but then again, I didn't clean it the last time I shot it. I had a couple North American Arms pocket guns on me and I must say the 22 long rifle with the slightly bigger rubber grip is a Accurate Gun. My North American Arms 22 Mag is shooting a little to the left. I've got my rifle sighted in So Perfect I should be striking matches like Jed Clampett. I put my earmuffs on and walk down a little closer to the Woods with the rough and rowdy. I was on Target but I did not expect that kind of power. I only shot one two and a half inch Triple ought buck shot and the rest for cowboy loads of 45 Colt. I LOVE IT! Talk about a thrill. I can shoot it with one hand but it takes two for me to pull that a hammer back. I don't mind. I was considering buying a 454 Casull a while back. I'm not hunting elephant and if I were I could probably get one with that gun. I seldom buy any gun that I'm this pleased with Straight Out of the Box. Most handguns are a pain in the ass and you have to spend a lot of time cleaning them and figuring out which ammo works the best. These guns are simple but extremely robust. It's my favorite gun. Now if someone could just invent automatic ear plugs. I'm going to get on that right away😁. Thank you so very much for making a product that actually live up to the hype. I've got a lot of guns and most don't! I will recommend these guns to everyone I know I know a lot of gun shooting freedom-loving Americans.
Hello I have the rough neck 38/ 357 and I only shot it like four times and I am having problems with misfires. And I shipped it back to bond and said they fixed it and I am still having misfires could it be the ammunition.I and firing armscor ammunition out of it.
That is possible. We do most of our quality testing with Winchester. Try a box, and see if that doesn't work. If not, please contact is again and we will do our best to make sure things are working to your satisfaction. 817-573-4445.
@@BondArmsInc ok thank you
2 1/2 inch 410 Bore shotshells with 9 shot will pulverize any snake. Although 410 Bore shotshells are crazy expensive when available.
The 45 Automatic cartridge in a 3 inch barrel would be handy and probably more accurate then the 45 Colt jumping to the short rifling in a 410 Bore/45 Colt barrel.
I'm buying the 45 Colt only 3.5 inch barrel for my Bond Arms Snake Slayer. I just need more rifling than a 1/2 inch.
Very nice. Though I will warn on something you kinda said. The 45 automatic cannot be shot in a 45 Colt. It is rimless, and would get lost in the deeper chamber. But if that's not what you were getting at in your second paragraph, then never mind!
@@BondArmsInc I should have clarified I was talking about the 3" Defender barrel labeled 45 ACP.
I would like to find a 3.5 inch 45 Colt only barrel, but it's impossible to locate for purchase. This would give me at least 2.2 inches of usable rifling.
@@yooper7753 make contact with Bucksnort Outfitters. They'll get it to you, but you make have to talk to their customer service.
@@BondArmsInc I'll give them a call. Thank you.