But it's not reviewing very well with buyers. On Steam it has fallen all the way down to a "Mixed" rating. I don't think Square did enough in terms of QoL updates, or at least optional tweaks to make it less about mass amounts of random encounters.
This feels a little alarmist. At no point did he say this is the "death of HD-2D". He's just not wanting SqEnix games to start cannibalizing each other again like what happened a couple years back.
As much as I want more HD2D, you also don’t want to burn out the concept to where people get tired of it. So it might be a better idea to release them sparingly.
The thing is is that a lot of these games are 20 plus years old, many people feel like we've already waited long enough. It's honestly a little bit frustrating that they're waiting until it's profitable to release the games instead of just releasing the games because they're due for a remake
@@fenniken5381 I'm with you guys, we're not going to see Square-Enix say "No more remakes, we're going to make Dragon Quest XII an action-RPG with the graphical style of FFVII Rebirth and lots of minigames." No, they are saying "We'll put out Dragon Quest 1 and 2 Remake but after that, we want to take a year off of that genre so that we can focus on Dragon Quest XII." They know that doing the same type of game every time is going to cause a few issues with people getting bored and leaving for FFXIV or something like that. Tell them it's very difficult to please everyone. No matter how late you delay the genre, people are going to say "This graphic style sucks, I'd prefer to see something like Dragon Quest XI, the original" and leave Square-Enix for Elden Ring or something else. I'll continue to support the series. I want to see Dragon Quest Builders 3, I want to see a Dragon Quest Monsters game for the Playstation with trophy support. I loved Dark Prince but the lack of trophies made the game feel a little less satisfying. (Says the guy who can never track trophies on PSNProfiles ever again because they banned him from the site. :()
@@fenniken5381 i see. Well id love a 3rd too. But wont hold my breath or hope for one. Especially since SE wanna slow down on the HD2D stuff. Odds of getting Octo 3 are now slimmer.. id rather keep my expectations as low as possible and wont cling onto hopes.
Having Lufia 1 & 2 as an HD 2D collection would be wonderful. Lufia 2 is one of my favorite JRPGs. That game definitely deserves it. And your idea about Chrono Trigger would be so sick. Square just needs to hire you as a consultant.
I guess it makes sense to be cautious. But also HD2D is the solution to their complaint that full modern remake projects are too huge. So hopefully they still lean into HD2D
@Impulse001 Well thats what I mean. When people wanted a FF7 remake they really just wanted updated textures and improvements but Square was obsessed with creating a full world so they delayed it until it was possible for them to make. I agree, its their own stubborn policies.
I know CT purists are going to complain if it ever gets confirmed, but it’s almost criminal to not try remastering/remaking it. I want it done right in the style of DQXI and Sand Land (3D + Toriyama art style)
@@zantharian57and I agree they should, Breath of Fire is super basic and grindy and not even in a fun way, just in a slow and tedious one. They're probably better off doing a reboot or something. Like I used to thing Breath of Fire was great but I'm actually playing it now and hoo boy is it rough
I agree 100% with you about Chrono Trigger, it doesn't need the HD2D remake but a different style like DQ8 style or I can add a recent game like Mario & Luigi: Brotherhood, it's beautiful and can fit really well with Akira Toriyama's art style.
I think this is a fair concern on Square Enix’s part. Even though people buy remakes, they also grumble about how everything’s a remake. So then you have Squeenix running in with a VERY distinct visual style like “okay here’s a dragon quest remake and an ffv remake and an ogre battle 64 remake and” and all of a sudden people think HD2D is tired and they’re sick of it. IMO SquareEnix should just think of this as… the style they go to when they want to make classic-style RPGs, whether a remake or something completely new. Because a lot of people, myself included, just aren’t really that down with super big budget cinematic action RPGs. There’s something about older-style turn based games that just feels cozy as hell.
God no. I'm tired of characters looking like blocks on my 4K TV and PS5/Laptop. It's fine for the Switch I guess, but the Switch still runs these games like crap. I'm all for mixing 2D and 3D, but give me some hand drawn art a la Unicorn Overlord with lifelike picturesque 3D prerendered backgrounds. Then I'll be impressed. Old school look and feel that actually takes advantage of modern tech.
I'm biased because I would be fine with all games looking like this lol, but there really don't seem like that many?? Maybe if they were consistently launching more than one HD2D game at the same time that would be too much for the overall market, but we're really not there...
They should PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release 1 HD-2D game per year. They don’t have to be remakes, new games are fine. I’ve bought every one and I love them! Please don’t mess this up Square-enix!
I’m not sure they could keep up that kind of pace. Based on past comments these games a re a lot more work to make than they might seem. So unless they are going to have a bunch of teams all working concurrently one a year might be a bit much and risks oversaturating the market.
I think that’s smart though. Remember that flood of AA games a few years ago that crushed pretty much every SE game that came out that fall? I don’t want that again. Let them release them at a slower pace so as not to cannibalize the fanbase. It sounds like they’re just trying to be thoughtful. Also I agree about Chrono Trigger. I think as long as we keep buying, they’ll keep releasing.
Yeah. Slow down the release of the games a little bit so that our wallets can allow us to get the games and not have to pick and choose which ones to skip and give a little more time to release quality games. I’m not saying that they are bad, but maybe they can be better. I think that would increase sales as well as allow them to make the releases not when another highly anticipated game release is so soon to take away their hype. The HD2D revolution brings with it a highly nostalgic factor for older gamers as well as a reintroduction for newer gamers that can rekindle the fandom for franchises.
They also have a bad habbit at announcing games wayy too early. Then all of a sudden releasing them almost all at once. SE needs to calm down the pace on evreything they are doing right now. From announcements to eventual releases. The only games im waiting for are KH4 and FF7R pt3. After that i dont care what releases. I obviously have my favorites id like to see. But im not holding my breath.
I think Chrono Trigger could be done by the team behind Visions of Mana (I know they closed down their unit). That game was beautiful, so much attention to detail. They could expand on what they already created with that engine, like getting inside houses and a better world map exploration.
Opening floodgates is a bad idea. People can only pay so much for video games. These games are also full price. It would be nice if they could streamline the engines and make the games for 40 bucks.
Honestly don't really even want to pay $40 for what is essentially a reskinned NES game. Feels like the only real way to go about it is to just do a collection then charge full price for the bundle. If they cost any more than $5 I'm just going to download and emulate The originals instead 🤷
It is strange that they think this distinctive art style is at risk of being over done, but the realistic 3D style that so many studios are going for is somehow A-OK.
This is a great point because at first I thought that HD 2D what's going to make all these games look like octopath traveler, which I didn't want. I like the octopath traveler games I just don't want every game to look like that. I really want them to be able to find a middle ground where a game can look HD but still have a distinct art style
I'm really hoping this renewed interest in DQ3 will urge them to continue with the Dragon Quest Builders side-franchise. Those first two games are absolute masterpieces, and I've been so bummed for years that they weren't going to continue with DQ Builders 3. If they need an HD2D break, then for the love of the gods please do DQ Builders 3! So much of the work is already done!
I can see why Square would be hesitant about too many HD 2D remakes in a short period of time. I'm reminded of Nintendo's overuse of the wii era Mario style, and a lot of the games felt indistinguishable as far as visuals were concerned. I think if they continue to grow on the HD 2D style, and release them steady, it should be fine.
Right. This isnno different than so many current games looking somewhat similar because they all use the same graphics engine. Granted, with enough time, the games can certainly look considerably different, but all of the devs seem to go for hyper-realistic graphics now, even if that style doesn't service the game.
I'm so disappointed that they went with the boring graphic look in Super Mario RPG instead of keeping the SGI graphic look but polish it in the that style in 3D....
Squeenix either has no love for ct or they're scared of tarnishing the legacy. They'd get so much free publicity even just announcing a CT HD 2d release but there's never a murmur.
@@ataridcLast time they tried to "modernize" Chrono Trigger, they got huge pushback. They managed to fix the things players hated about the Steam release, but it may have left them very aware of how protective CT fans are of the game they love.
If they don't want to go overboard with it then Chrono Trigger and FF VI. However, if given the choice, give us DQ 4-7 to go with 1-3 HD-2D, FF 1-6 and Chrono Trigger. They say that they don't want to overdo it with HD-2D, but no one was complaining about all of the original pixel style games being the same style when they launched, the pixel remakes like FF and games like Sea Of Stars. Someone needs to remake the entire Earthbound/Mother series in HD-2D. Imagine finally getting an official Mother 3 release here. I still play the fan translation that is so amazing.
YEEESSS! They should totally remake Chrono Trigger as a 3D Dark Souls clone. Everybody loves when their favorite game is remade into a Dark Souls clone.
@acidwizard6528 Would be a bit challenging for new artwork with Akira Toriyama dead. Plus I don't care for the appeasement of new standards and more or less defacing a dead man's work to appeal to them.
I think for the 4,5 and 6...hell,even 8 and 9..they should just use the engine in dq XI if they are going for remake...because 4 onward was heavy on story the voice and expression on each character will make the game more immersive imo.
My thoughts are to just make the games and crank them out. It doesn’t much matter when they release, just get them out. Sales will build over time if not immediately. New games, remakes, remasters, 2D, 3D, HD 2D, cell shaded, anime styled, pixel art, just bring ‘em.
I just want a Lufia 3, there is the last Sinistral Arek who shows up in Lufia 2 speaking with Erim, that still leaves a loose end. I truly hope that they continue with the HD2D remakes, as a 41 yr old, I can go gracefully into my old age reliving my youth with the classics that brought me such joy as a child.
I understand that the style could get overdone if they released too many at once, but personally I also agree that we really just got started with this style. What could help is if they did HD2D style for games that are more obscure in between the DQ titles that way it would look more like Square is trying to help bring games that are less known to the modern audience rather than just bringing out DQ after DQ so quickly. That being said since I did not play most of the earlier titles since I started with DQ11 on switch (although I have since played a few more titles that are available on switch since) it would still be nice to see the other mainline DQ titles to be more available on current platforms.
I think if they were to do just HD2D remakes of all the DQ in quick succession I can see the issue..but if spaced out between other HD2D releases (FF6, FFT, Chrono Trigger) I think it would be a HUGE W for gamers to be able to experience those games.
3:00 It was my understanding that tactics ogre reborn sold pretty well. Maybe not nearly as much as Square Enix's bigger titles, but from what I've heard and read it sold a decent amount of copies. Where did you hear about it selling poorly?
Is this true? I hope we can get ogre battle from de snes remaster or 64, I’m currently playing the Saturn version I’m a having a blast playing it never expect the alignment system link with how the characters change class.
@matheu6848 I've seen a few posts and articles that say it was in the top ten in sales on each platform in its release period. These are pretty old, though, and I don't know what the total sales numbers are, but looking at steam charts shows that on steam alone, it had a higher all-time peak in concurrent player count than games like triangle strategy and even the first octopath traveler, so it must have done pretty well. BTW, im also playing the saturn version with the English translation! I wanted to try to ironman it on the hard mode, and I really like how the original has instant permadeath. It makes for a good challenge.
Hi David! SE must not like making money if they question HD2D's popularity. Hopefully, other developers will pick up the slack. Have a blessed day everyone!
Dragon quest 3 HD2D remake was a massive failure sales wise lol, only a major success in japan which isn’t that surprising. That’s what happens when they start removing gender from their games with garbage Body Type A and B and censoring art in the western versions.
These generally need a small team and should take less time since most of the game is already made. They just need a small team that can do quality remakes, add in some quality of life features and maybe some of the content cut for time or just end game challenges. Release one or two a year and they have something that can make old fans happy and bring in people who like retro or want to try simpler RPGs for the first time.
We're on the same page with Chrono Trigger. I don't think it needs the HD-2D treatment because its pixel art still holds up. I would love to see either the Dragon Quest 11 or Romancing Saga 2 remake style, like you mentioned.
David, I think these old-school RPGs can work, but they need to offer enough quality-of-life features and modern innovations while staying true to their retro selves. The biggest problem with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D is that it's just too faithful for its own good. That doesn't make Dragon Quest a bad game for some people-in fact, I realize that's exactly what some people want. But I think a lot of people want more quality-of-life features and modern innovation in this type of game, and this audience might even be bigger than the purist one (in most cases, it usually is much larger). For example, I played the original Dragon Warrior on NES. I've been playing turn-based RPGs all my life-we're talking over 30 years now. But I have a time-consuming career, like most of us-the target audience for these games-do in our late 30s or early 40s. I still love these games, but what I don't love is when the game wastes my limited free time. For example, a big problem with the Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D Remake is just how low the quality of life is. The boat moves so slow. Every time you get out of a battle, or every time Padfoot, Fade, or some other buff expires, a stupid pop-up shows up, and you have to go through the boat acceleration all over again just to get back to full speed. Why? And what about Animal Instinct and Nose for Treasure? Why do I have to go into a convoluted menu system to cast both of these spells in every area? Why can't I just assign favorite spells and abilities to buttons on my controller? I used these spells like 1,000 times over my 44 hours with Dragon Quest. I sure would have liked to just press a button to use them rather than go into the menu thousands of times to select them over and over. Then you have enemy spells like Thwack, which give them 4-12 chances to instant-kill your party members in a single round of combat. I never lost because of this, but I sure spent a ton of time in the menus casting Zing to resurrect party members, even after equipping those accessories that were supposed to prevent these instant-death mechanics in the first place! And then there's the random battles-it's just a never-ending stream of random battles. It's even hard to get your bearings on some maps because of how frequent these random battles are. I basically used Holy Protection/Padfoot for half of the game! As long as these games keep features like this, I think the sales potential for these HD-2D games is going to be niche and limited.
I remember Resonant Arc saying that HD-2D is perfect for SNES games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 while games from the PS1 era like Xenogears will fit perfectly in the style of the Star Ocean 2 remake.
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After Octopath Traveler and Triangle Strategy, I kind of envisioned HD2D as a sort of "series" itself - like, a way to make new games that look old, but have new gameplay possibilities. Once I started seeing older games in the catalog get remade in HD2D style, I felt overwhelmed...like instead of trying to put up their whole damn catalogue in HD2D, they should think of ways to use the new environment to do more interesting things in gameplay. Like, yeah - Octopath Traveler was great and all...but honestly, every dungeon was just a straight path, and humping the walls would reward you with secret passageways to treasure. No mazes. No gimmicks. No interacting with the environment. Every dungeon. The exact same. HD2D should be treated more like a gameplay mechanic, and they should find ways to use it to make the game more interesting. Let us play with the camera and lightning. Let us interact with stuff in towns and dungeons, especially in ways that can only be done in three dimensions. Hell - just let us jump, lol. I think using it as an innovation is the key to keeping it interesting, rather than treating it like a simple graphical update.
I think Square struck gold with the HD-2D style, and I'm happy they're concerned about not overdoing it. I hope they do their best to keep these games being special, and not turning it into a hyped fad. Lufia duology would be a great addition to the set, since its stronger emphasis on puzzle solving would be a nice differential from the other HD-2D ones. I also agree that a Chrono Trigger remake would work in Trials of Mana style, and it would also be a great tribute to Akira Toriyama's legacy and art
I really enjoy the 2d-HD style rpg. If they released a few a year, I’d be happy. But it’s completely understandable that they don’t want to oversaturate the market. The only games that can get away with it is COD, open world sandbox survival, and possibly souls style games. Personally I’m hopeful for a side series in the same vein of the SNES Final Fantasy games.
I can feel his statement on wanting to space out releases, and I'll be there for all the traditional RPGs in the style. This year playing through SMT 5 Vengeance, FF7 (the latest one), P3 remake, Paper Mario TYD, Ys X, FF4 (pixel remaster), Dragon Quest 3 HD, and eventually the new Mario Luigi game is having me pretty busy.
I kinda agree with the execs at Square Enix here. If all games looks the same because they use the same engine and they create these games too fast as if they were out of a factory, in the long run, people will be bored. I think it's a good idea to still use the HD2D for some games, but also they could create something new for other games, like they did back then on the DS with DQ4-5-6. The second trilogy should't be like the first one.
Opening the flood gates would be a terrible idea because it could lead to fatigue quick. Which seems to be what they're talking about. I want DQ IV-VI in HD2D way more than 1-2 but perhaps a better ide a would be to bring the 3D remake of VII and VIII to HD platforms. Dragon Quest XII is probably still a ways off so I think giving the fans what they want and bringing VIII to modern platforms would help maintain interest in DQ and offset the HD2D fatigue.
I think it's simply resolved by not releasing a bunch of them in the same year - remakes not withstanding. I'd love to see the first six games get this treatment like how Final Fantasy had the pixel remasters.
I absolutely love the style. It's 2d rpgs perfected imo. I'm loving DQ3 remake and am hyped for the remakes of 1 and 2. I definitely agree with opening the floodgates. And I think it'd be really cool if they went even further and collaborated with other companies to make even more games in the style. I know it's extremely wishful thinking but my dream game would be a HD2D remake of Pokemon Black and White.
I think the look of HD-2D is so distinct, they’re afraid of looking like they’re just using a cookie cutter to churn out one remake after another. Of all their series, I thought Romancing SaGa would have benefited the most from this and look what they did with 2. It’s phenomenal the way it turned out. Even with the restrictions from the snes days, most of their output really stood out from game to game. It would be a disservice to treat all of those old games the same.
FFVI would suit this style for sure, Chrono Trigger would lose some of the vibrancy from 2D HD though, and I agree a different style would be better for it. I just want a definitive version of Chrono Trigger, the SNES version with a proper translation, the anime FMVs and DS extra content, I don't even think it needs much in the way of modern QoL to be honest. 2-3 2DHD games a year would be nice. I just know they wouldn't sprea their relases out though. Lufia I & II, Bahamut Lagoon and the Zenithian trilogy would be top of my list.
The biggest one I want in HD-2D is Xenogears. I would pay a lot of money for a competent Xenogears remake/remaster (though what I really want is for SquareEnix to sell it back to Takahashi so Monolith can remake it in the Xenoblade style)
They're not supposed to "flood the market" with this type of game, but rather release them in a sensible manner at an appropriate time. We've seen how it works out when they flood the market with their games already and it wasn't pretty. That being said, maybe go a bit slower on the Dragon Quest games once 1+2 remake are out and maybe work on 1-3 other titles in the meantime to prevent franchise fatique, because that's what's more likely to happen, not HD-2D fatique. As for other games, I'm definitely with you on Lufia 2, maybe even Lufia 1 if they polish it a bit, like get rid of the perma miss when you target an enemy that has already been defeated. Other than that, I'd be a happy gamer if they'd consider Final Fantasy Mystic Quest for the HD-2D treatment, because I feel like this game could be a lot more than it is now. It was my first RPG and to this day I still love it.
Treasure of the Rudra's, Bahamut Lagoon, and Lufia are also ones I'd love to see again (so long as they don't do action like they tried with the DS Lufia 2 "Remake"). Outside HD2D I'd love to just get the PSP version of FF4 outside of the PSP. I'm guessing we'll get FFVI after DQ 1-2 completes unless they already started on other projects and keeping them on the down low. I don't see DQ 7 anytime soon, and I have my doubts on IV-VI of DQ, but would be happy to be wrong on it. Honestly I just want Ogre Battle remastered. Even just added to the Switch Online for SNES and N64. Come on Unicorn showed how much people want a game like that.
Basically only thing I heard from this was that SQUARE ENIX don't want to make any money. 2DHD Remake or Forspoken...c'mon now. I don't think the issue is over flooding, I think a bigger issue is releasing them back to back and paying attention to your release dates.
Yes. Yes they will continue to recreate the Dragonquest games in HD2D. The sales and numbers will speak for itself. There is no doubt. Enix should have never merged with Square but thats just my own feelings from long ago. Much has happened since those days and i cannot deny a pretty decent partnership. Im clearly a very big fan of Dragonquest, Bird Studios and Mr Toriyama. So, of course , if Square and Enix ever had a falling out then i would surely support Enix way more, as i did before the merging. Dragonquest series is my heart, its my home, my comfort zone, my peace and quiet. I wish the best for it and keep my fingers croseed for these beautiful recreations of the series. Thanks again David for making great content!
There has to be some reasonable compromise between releasing a good remake of an old game and not having people not purchasing games. And I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the economics of remaking a game, but if they released say DQ 1,2,3,4,5,6 in this same style AND charge $60 a pop for them, then yeah they're not going to sell as much. But if they take a page from Final Fantasy and have them $15-20 per and perhaps a bundle for less per, then yeah I can see that working well from the consumer side (again I don't know the business side, just from the side where my wallet is the one doing the purchasing). And lets be perfectly honest, it's not like they simply load the old code into a computer and poof an HD-2D remake comes out... although with "AI" maybe it does? So it's not like you're going to get all the games in a 1 month time frame.
While I can see their point of getting bored of HD-2D, it’s better than nothing. I want to be able to play all the DQ games on the same console, right now I have to keep my 3DS around for 4-9. So I say yes, put as many as possible in HD-2D.
HD-2D defo has a place but I hope they don't make every remake in that style. It's great but doesn't replace classic 2D pixel art. :) HD-2D shines when used in right games though. I personally would burn out on it if it was used on every retro remaster, original projects though, HECK YEAH!
I'm willing to let SE decide the timing of releases, as long as they eventually do hd2d (or better) remakes of most of their older 2d games (I'm less certain about giving that treatment to games like DQ8 that were originally 3d). Doing Chrono Trigger in the style of Visions of Mana sounds awesome, but even doing it in 2.5d (like the remake of Secret of Mana) would be cool. I'm not personally a fan of strategy rpgs (possibly due to struggling with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance), but I'd also be happy if they figured out how to get the rights to remake the Quintet/Enix games Illusion of Gaia and Robotrek.
Honestly, just do Chrono Trigger HD2D after they finish the Erdrick trilogy(if they dont intend to go full 3D like DQ11). Then they can do whatever they want.
This style is fantastic for old rpgs and newly designed games. Every game done this way is gorgeous and easy to enjoy, and it enables so many old classics to be brought to modern standards.
I don't get it why SE isn't doing more HD-2D games if they wanted more money. It's understandable studio executives are chasing trends and trying to get a piece of that Call of Duty/Fortnite profit, but those players are never going to buy their games nevertheless, they're just taking huge risks making triple A games.
They don't want to flood the market and ruin the quality or demand of the games, I don't see a problem here. I rather have them come in a steady and sustained pace over everything at once and things end as a fad.
I love what some of these independent sellers on ebay can do with hardware. Just saying, I think I found an English bootleg of Treasure of the Rudras on an SNES cartridge. I currently have FFIV Ultima and Chrono Trigger Flames of Eternity on SNES cartridges. I know they're fan made, but I really enjoy playing them on the console. I'm one of those people who has to have physical copies.
I'd be okay with one a year, especially if they go between Remakes and new games (sequels to other HD2D games or whole new IPs). Lufia I + II bundle...yes! I know I'd be salivating seeing all those puzzles in HD2D. And hopefully, especially for the first, they'd add in some QoL features (I'd like some of the ones from DQIII in Lufia 1 since it does play like a Dragon Quest game already).
I think spacing them out is good, I have 4 unsealed games for my PlayStation by Square in my backlog. I didn’t buy FANTASIAN Neo as I need to clear my back log.
Likely it is difficult finding large enough development partners able to work in 2d workflow. Also Team Asano(Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, Live A Live Remake) the internal Team that worked with Artdink on Dragon Quest 3 HD2D is not the regular Dragon Quest team with Hori mostly in a supervisor role and less involved. Sounds to me that Square Enix is being cautious more than anything. I don't doubt that Chrono Trigger is coming up for a Remake, I do Doubt it would work well in HD2D given the extra emphasis on animation Chrono Trigger had. At least Artdink had severe issues implementing more dynamic attack animation for you party in DQ3HD due to the work load, leading to them being scrapped. Some developers have gotten Akira Toriyama's style to work very well in 3d Dragon Ball Z Kakarot, Sparking Zero and Dragon Ball Fighterz all come to mind.
A little mixed of the "news". I kind of understand why they want to do it, yet there is still a HUGE market for remakes, especially for classic old RPG games. It would be a shame if they start missing out on it if it starts to die down too much. Personally, I would love to see a remake of Chrono Trigger, regardless of it being 3D cel shaded or hd 2d remake. Not only would I like to see quality of life updates and possibly a revamped battle system, but I would also love some new optional story elements to the game. Maybe a player rather romances one of the other female characters with Chrono either with choices in "present" time, or Chrono can time travel in his personal history or something to get closer to certain characters or just change a certain event to open the romance path. This would not only give more replay value, but it would also give new endings.
They haven't released a ton of these games so I think it might be the usual Japanese being more cautious in business. I feel this is causing some real discussions at Square Enix simply for the fact that Dragon Quest 3 Remake is apparently selling better than both FF 16 and 7 remake. Which I'm sure surprised the hell out of them given they thought the market was going the Call of Duty route where you need these massive budgets and system breaking graphics and real time combat and something like DQ 3 was never thought of as 'what we want'. But what we want are great games, we love dungeon crawling and turn based RPGs so no the success doesn't surprise me.
What if they did FF6 in the HD 2d style but when you get into a fight make the character sprites more like XenoGears on the ps1. Bigger more detailed sprites. With equipment changes. It would be incredible.
Don’t be too quick to believe that Dave. I follow PlayerEssemce and he has said if we do a good job supporting DQ3-2DHD we could possibly get many more remade in that style like FF6. I believe maybe even Chrono Trigger as well!
As much as I love the idea of those remakes, Im not paying 79.99 for a texture pack for a game I already beat many times. If they released them at 39,99 I would be all in.
I wonder how much they are worried about the market being flooded by not just them, but by other companies joining the trend. Personally I'd love a flood of them, but I'm your age. If Capcom does Breath of Fire this way I'll be super happy.
I get it (I guess) and it's tricky to figure out where the balance is between crowding themselves out of the market and losing everyone's interest is but I feel like I'm gonna die of old age before I see proper remakes of FF6 and CT... 😖 Definitely agree that Chrono Trigger deserves a bigger glowup and would look sexy af remade in a style similar to the 3D Dragon Quest games. Just gonna keep on hoping...
It peaked with the Star Ocean 2 remake to me, didn't have any censorship either to my knowledge so I didn't have any qualms with supporting it. Sure, the game is easy as hell compared to the original but it gives you so many more tools to work with. Man finding out Tactics Ogre Reborn failed financially is crushing, it's such a good game.
I just want them to remake Chrono Trigger and the Golden Sun games in HD-3D. Then, I am more than happy for them to chill out on making games in that style for a while. I just NEED these first then stop haha 😅
Hmmm... this one's tough for me. On one hand, I absolutely adore the look and feel of the new DQ3 HD-2D remake. But on the other hand, I think this is a case of trying to make games look realistic as possible, or somehow less like a game and more like a movie, and I'm not into that at all. I want a game that looks and feels like a game, and my particular preference is older RPG games in the 16 bit or even 8 bit era. I do understand though why people want to see older games from thirty years ago remade with this new visual style. I'd say if anything that I would echo what most of the comments here suggest... if one of these older games are going to be remade, just add quality of life stuff, maybe even some new content, but the visual style doesn't really need to change all that much... or even at all. I mean, I want to wear my nostalgia glasses proudly when I play these beloved games from my childhood! I don't need to see the games through a new lens, so to speak. But again... the style is fantastic looking for sure...
We know that these games sell. I love the style. It also hits a demographic that is faithful to buy these games and has the funds to do it. I don't mind that they are thoughtful about which games and don't want to over do it. One would think that the development cost for this style is less than whatever they spent for FF XVI.
Dragon quest 3 HD2D remake only sold well in Japan, everywhere else was a flop due to censoring art in the western version and removing gender from the infamous body type A and B crap to appease People of a certain community by erasing gender.
I think this report honestly because of sales falloff with the hd2d games. They released like 4/5? In a year and a half and even octopath 2 saw a pretty big falloff comp to the first game that was on ONE platform. So if they at least space them out they won't get receding returns
i wish they had skipped the pixel remasters and just done ff 1-6 in hd2d. That was such a missed opportunity to make a definitive edition of each game.
Absolute nonsense. I will buy every single HD2D remake of the old classics that they make. Sign me up, there is no limit. If they had Dragon Quest 1,2,3,4,5,6,9 - Final Fantasy 1,2,3,4,5,6 - Chrono Trigger - Lufia 1,2 - etc... I'd buy them ALL THIS year if they were avialable, they can literally have my money if they had the games ready.
Yeah I am very worried about the future of HD-2D games, not that they won´t make them anymore. But it looks like they will limit them to 1 each year. And with the success of DQ3 Remake I worry that they will stop making new HD-2D games. Don´t get me wrong I don´t have anything against remakes, they are important and great, but I also want Octopath Traveler 3 and I am worried that my favorite series will no longer be supported.
Considering how well the Dragon Quest 3 remake is selling, I highly doubt they are going to stop doing HD2D games
But it's not reviewing very well with buyers. On Steam it has fallen all the way down to a "Mixed" rating.
I don't think Square did enough in terms of QoL updates, or at least optional tweaks to make it less about mass amounts of random encounters.
This feels a little alarmist. At no point did he say this is the "death of HD-2D". He's just not wanting SqEnix games to start cannibalizing each other again like what happened a couple years back.
Gotta get people's attention somehow on UA-cam 😉
@@CadeDubsOG Not to mention that UA-cam kinda enforces it.
As much as I want more HD2D, you also don’t want to burn out the concept to where people get tired of it. So it might be a better idea to release them sparingly.
The thing is is that a lot of these games are 20 plus years old, many people feel like we've already waited long enough. It's honestly a little bit frustrating that they're waiting until it's profitable to release the games instead of just releasing the games because they're due for a remake
I think they don't want to overdo the HD 2D games, that doesn't mean they won't do any.
Yeah, I'm sure there will be more. Octopath traveler 3, for example, really hope that happens.
@@fenniken5381 I'm with you guys, we're not going to see Square-Enix say "No more remakes, we're going to make Dragon Quest XII an action-RPG with the graphical style of FFVII Rebirth and lots of minigames."
No, they are saying "We'll put out Dragon Quest 1 and 2 Remake but after that, we want to take a year off of that genre so that we can focus on Dragon Quest XII." They know that doing the same type of game every time is going to cause a few issues with people getting bored and leaving for FFXIV or something like that.
Tell them it's very difficult to please everyone. No matter how late you delay the genre, people are going to say "This graphic style sucks, I'd prefer to see something like Dragon Quest XI, the original" and leave Square-Enix for Elden Ring or something else. I'll continue to support the series. I want to see Dragon Quest Builders 3, I want to see a Dragon Quest Monsters game for the Playstation with trophy support. I loved Dark Prince but the lack of trophies made the game feel a little less satisfying. (Says the guy who can never track trophies on PSNProfiles ever again because they banned him from the site. :()
@@fenniken5381octopath 3 isnt even teased or rumored. Where the f*ck u get that from?
@coreymckee4844 a wish, I loved 1 and 2 and want a third one, I brought it up because if there is one it will most likely be hd2d.
@@fenniken5381 i see. Well id love a 3rd too. But wont hold my breath or hope for one. Especially since SE wanna slow down on the HD2D stuff. Odds of getting Octo 3 are now slimmer.. id rather keep my expectations as low as possible and wont cling onto hopes.
Having Lufia 1 & 2 as an HD 2D collection would be wonderful. Lufia 2 is one of my favorite JRPGs. That game definitely deserves it. And your idea about Chrono Trigger would be so sick. Square just needs to hire you as a consultant.
but who owns that now?
probably Square Enix since their the ones that made the CRAPPY DS remake of Lufia 2 one that isn't even turned based.
@veghesther3204 They published it, but it was still Neverland that developed it. It even had the same director, Masahide Miyata.
I never played them but I plan to. So when I do I'd like a collection
I guess it makes sense to be cautious. But also HD2D is the solution to their complaint that full modern remake projects are too huge. So hopefully they still lean into HD2D
I mean modern remakes are too huge because they want. Did they needed to make the FFVII remake into a 3 parter? No, but they choose that.
@Impulse001 Well thats what I mean. When people wanted a FF7 remake they really just wanted updated textures and improvements but Square was obsessed with creating a full world so they delayed it until it was possible for them to make. I agree, its their own stubborn policies.
FFVI, Chrono Trigger, Lufia 1 and 2, and the breath of fire series all need a proper remaster.
Unfortunately Breath of Fire is capcom and they seem perfectly happy to let that series rot.
I know CT purists are going to complain if it ever gets confirmed, but it’s almost criminal to not try remastering/remaking it. I want it done right in the style of DQXI and Sand Land (3D + Toriyama art style)
@@SternSupremacy you mean you want an action game like ff7 remake is that also happens to be over saturated as a genre?
@@zantharian57and I agree they should, Breath of Fire is super basic and grindy and not even in a fun way, just in a slow and tedious one. They're probably better off doing a reboot or something. Like I used to thing Breath of Fire was great but I'm actually playing it now and hoo boy is it rough
I agree 100% with you about Chrono Trigger, it doesn't need the HD2D remake but a different style like DQ8 style or I can add a recent game like Mario & Luigi: Brotherhood, it's beautiful and can fit really well with Akira Toriyama's art style.
I think this is a fair concern on Square Enix’s part. Even though people buy remakes, they also grumble about how everything’s a remake. So then you have Squeenix running in with a VERY distinct visual style like “okay here’s a dragon quest remake and an ffv remake and an ogre battle 64 remake and” and all of a sudden people think HD2D is tired and they’re sick of it. IMO SquareEnix should just think of this as… the style they go to when they want to make classic-style RPGs, whether a remake or something completely new. Because a lot of people, myself included, just aren’t really that down with super big budget cinematic action RPGs. There’s something about older-style turn based games that just feels cozy as hell.
I hope they do FF Tactics in this style
God no.
I'm tired of characters looking like blocks on my 4K TV and PS5/Laptop. It's fine for the Switch I guess, but the Switch still runs these games like crap.
I'm all for mixing 2D and 3D, but give me some hand drawn art a la Unicorn Overlord with lifelike picturesque 3D prerendered backgrounds. Then I'll be impressed. Old school look and feel that actually takes advantage of modern tech.
I'm biased because I would be fine with all games looking like this lol, but there really don't seem like that many?? Maybe if they were consistently launching more than one HD2D game at the same time that would be too much for the overall market, but we're really not there...
They should PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release 1 HD-2D game per year. They don’t have to be remakes, new games are fine. I’ve bought every one and I love them! Please don’t mess this up Square-enix!
I’m not sure they could keep up that kind of pace. Based on past comments these games a re a lot more work to make than they might seem. So unless they are going to have a bunch of teams all working concurrently one a year might be a bit much and risks oversaturating the market.
I don't know if I have that many years left to live to see the Xenogears HD-2D remake.
I really liked the simple 3D graphics of the Trials of Mana remake, I wish we had more games like that.
Romancing Saga 2
Please dammit give us Chrono Trigger before they shut this down!! (Sorry I'm desperate and I don't know what else to do...)
I think that’s smart though. Remember that flood of AA games a few years ago that crushed pretty much every SE game that came out that fall? I don’t want that again. Let them release them at a slower pace so as not to cannibalize the fanbase. It sounds like they’re just trying to be thoughtful. Also I agree about Chrono Trigger. I think as long as we keep buying, they’ll keep releasing.
Yeah. Slow down the release of the games a little bit so that our wallets can allow us to get the games and not have to pick and choose which ones to skip and give a little more time to release quality games. I’m not saying that they are bad, but maybe they can be better. I think that would increase sales as well as allow them to make the releases not when another highly anticipated game release is so soon to take away their hype. The HD2D revolution brings with it a highly nostalgic factor for older gamers as well as a reintroduction for newer gamers that can rekindle the fandom for franchises.
They also have a bad habbit at announcing games wayy too early. Then all of a sudden releasing them almost all at once. SE needs to calm down the pace on evreything they are doing right now. From announcements to eventual releases. The only games im waiting for are KH4 and FF7R pt3. After that i dont care what releases. I obviously have my favorites id like to see. But im not holding my breath.
I think Chrono Trigger could be done by the team behind Visions of Mana (I know they closed down their unit). That game was beautiful, so much attention to detail. They could expand on what they already created with that engine, like getting inside houses and a better world map exploration.
Opening floodgates is a bad idea. People can only pay so much for video games. These games are also full price. It would be nice if they could streamline the engines and make the games for 40 bucks.
People are still recovering and adapting to the Post-Covid Economy. That and the $70 Price Tag they have been pushing has been backfiring.
Honestly don't really even want to pay $40 for what is essentially a reskinned NES game. Feels like the only real way to go about it is to just do a collection then charge full price for the bundle.
If they cost any more than $5 I'm just going to download and emulate The originals instead 🤷
It is strange that they think this distinctive art style is at risk of being over done, but the realistic 3D style that so many studios are going for is somehow A-OK.
Square Enix is nothing if not strange.
This is a great point because at first I thought that HD 2D what's going to make all these games look like octopath traveler, which I didn't want. I like the octopath traveler games I just don't want every game to look like that. I really want them to be able to find a middle ground where a game can look HD but still have a distinct art style
HD-2D is the best thing to happen to modern gaming in the last 20 years!
I'm really hoping this renewed interest in DQ3 will urge them to continue with the Dragon Quest Builders side-franchise. Those first two games are absolute masterpieces, and I've been so bummed for years that they weren't going to continue with DQ Builders 3. If they need an HD2D break, then for the love of the gods please do DQ Builders 3! So much of the work is already done!
I can see why Square would be hesitant about too many HD 2D remakes in a short period of time. I'm reminded of Nintendo's overuse of the wii era Mario style, and a lot of the games felt indistinguishable as far as visuals were concerned. I think if they continue to grow on the HD 2D style, and release them steady, it should be fine.
Right. This isnno different than so many current games looking somewhat similar because they all use the same graphics engine. Granted, with enough time, the games can certainly look considerably different, but all of the devs seem to go for hyper-realistic graphics now, even if that style doesn't service the game.
I'm so disappointed that they went with the boring graphic look in Super Mario RPG instead of keeping the SGI graphic look but polish it in the that style in 3D....
just give me a hd 2d chrono trigger and i will die happy after that wouldnt care if you SE do anymore hd 2d or not
Squeenix either has no love for ct or they're scared of tarnishing the legacy. They'd get so much free publicity even just announcing a CT HD 2d release but there's never a murmur.
@@ataridcLast time they tried to "modernize" Chrono Trigger, they got huge pushback. They managed to fix the things players hated about the Steam release, but it may have left them very aware of how protective CT fans are of the game they love.
@@ataridc people will pay for it if SE make a hd 2d CT they will make alot of money
@@koukhang5999 yup id buy it for sure
If they don't want to go overboard with it then Chrono Trigger and FF VI. However, if given the choice, give us DQ 4-7 to go with 1-3 HD-2D, FF 1-6 and Chrono Trigger. They say that they don't want to overdo it with HD-2D, but no one was complaining about all of the original pixel style games being the same style when they launched, the pixel remakes like FF and games like Sea Of Stars. Someone needs to remake the entire Earthbound/Mother series in HD-2D. Imagine finally getting an official Mother 3 release here. I still play the fan translation that is so amazing.
Absolutely not, it would be criminal to make Chrono Trigger in 3D.
It'd be fine, and I'd prefer it.
I would be ok with It as long as they dont make It a 3 parts game bloated with fillers.
There was a Fan Made one being made in the Gamecube Era but Square in their infinite genius did the Nintendo C&D.
YEEESSS! They should totally remake Chrono Trigger as a 3D Dark Souls clone. Everybody loves when their favorite game is remade into a Dark Souls clone.
@acidwizard6528 Would be a bit challenging for new artwork with Akira Toriyama dead. Plus I don't care for the appeasement of new standards and more or less defacing a dead man's work to appeal to them.
I just need a Final Fantasy VI HD 2D Remake. They day after they release that, they can stop doing them, I don't care, just give me FF VI
I think for the 4,5 and 6...hell,even 8 and 9..they should just use the engine in dq XI if they are going for remake...because 4 onward was heavy on story the voice and expression on each character will make the game more immersive imo.
My thoughts are to just make the games and crank them out. It doesn’t much matter when they release, just get them out. Sales will build over time if not immediately. New games, remakes, remasters, 2D, 3D, HD 2D, cell shaded, anime styled, pixel art, just bring ‘em.
I just want a Lufia 3, there is the last Sinistral Arek who shows up in Lufia 2 speaking with Erim, that still leaves a loose end.
I truly hope that they continue with the HD2D remakes, as a 41 yr old, I can go gracefully into my old age reliving my youth with the classics that brought me such joy as a child.
I would love to see a Lufia 2 remake. Also I would love to see Terranigma get a US release.
One that doesn't suck Lufia 2 got a DS remake but one that's PURE CRAP and isn't even TURN based at all.
I understand that the style could get overdone if they released too many at once, but personally I also agree that we really just got started with this style. What could help is if they did HD2D style for games that are more obscure in between the DQ titles that way it would look more like Square is trying to help bring games that are less known to the modern audience rather than just bringing out DQ after DQ so quickly. That being said since I did not play most of the earlier titles since I started with DQ11 on switch (although I have since played a few more titles that are available on switch since) it would still be nice to see the other mainline DQ titles to be more available on current platforms.
I think if they were to do just HD2D remakes of all the DQ in quick succession I can see the issue..but if spaced out between other HD2D releases (FF6, FFT, Chrono Trigger) I think it would be a HUGE W for gamers to be able to experience those games.
3:00 It was my understanding that tactics ogre reborn sold pretty well. Maybe not nearly as much as Square Enix's bigger titles, but from what I've heard and read it sold a decent amount of copies. Where did you hear about it selling poorly?
Is this true? I hope we can get ogre battle from de snes remaster or 64, I’m currently playing the Saturn version I’m a having a blast playing it never expect the alignment system link with how the characters change class.
@matheu6848 I've seen a few posts and articles that say it was in the top ten in sales on each platform in its release period. These are pretty old, though, and I don't know what the total sales numbers are, but looking at steam charts shows that on steam alone, it had a higher all-time peak in concurrent player count than games like triangle strategy and even the first octopath traveler, so it must have done pretty well.
BTW, im also playing the saturn version with the English translation! I wanted to try to ironman it on the hard mode, and I really like how the original has instant permadeath. It makes for a good challenge.
Hi David! SE must not like making money if they question HD2D's popularity. Hopefully, other developers will pick up the slack. Have a blessed day everyone!
Dragon quest 3 HD2D remake was a massive failure sales wise lol, only a major success in japan which isn’t that surprising. That’s what happens when they start removing gender from their games with garbage Body Type A and B and censoring art in the western versions.
@@Holy_Crusader We dont even have Western sales numbers, so stop talking out your ass
They just dumb to sell DQ3 remake for $60 price tag. It doesn't make sense with how lazy the remake is
These generally need a small team and should take less time since most of the game is already made. They just need a small team that can do quality remakes, add in some quality of life features and maybe some of the content cut for time or just end game challenges. Release one or two a year and they have something that can make old fans happy and bring in people who like retro or want to try simpler RPGs for the first time.
We're on the same page with Chrono Trigger. I don't think it needs the HD-2D treatment because its pixel art still holds up. I would love to see either the Dragon Quest 11 or Romancing Saga 2 remake style, like you mentioned.
David, I think these old-school RPGs can work, but they need to offer enough quality-of-life features and modern innovations while staying true to their retro selves. The biggest problem with Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D is that it's just too faithful for its own good. That doesn't make Dragon Quest a bad game for some people-in fact, I realize that's exactly what some people want. But I think a lot of people want more quality-of-life features and modern innovation in this type of game, and this audience might even be bigger than the purist one (in most cases, it usually is much larger).
For example, I played the original Dragon Warrior on NES. I've been playing turn-based RPGs all my life-we're talking over 30 years now. But I have a time-consuming career, like most of us-the target audience for these games-do in our late 30s or early 40s. I still love these games, but what I don't love is when the game wastes my limited free time.
For example, a big problem with the Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D Remake is just how low the quality of life is. The boat moves so slow. Every time you get out of a battle, or every time Padfoot, Fade, or some other buff expires, a stupid pop-up shows up, and you have to go through the boat acceleration all over again just to get back to full speed. Why?
And what about Animal Instinct and Nose for Treasure? Why do I have to go into a convoluted menu system to cast both of these spells in every area? Why can't I just assign favorite spells and abilities to buttons on my controller? I used these spells like 1,000 times over my 44 hours with Dragon Quest. I sure would have liked to just press a button to use them rather than go into the menu thousands of times to select them over and over.
Then you have enemy spells like Thwack, which give them 4-12 chances to instant-kill your party members in a single round of combat. I never lost because of this, but I sure spent a ton of time in the menus casting Zing to resurrect party members, even after equipping those accessories that were supposed to prevent these instant-death mechanics in the first place!
And then there's the random battles-it's just a never-ending stream of random battles. It's even hard to get your bearings on some maps because of how frequent these random battles are. I basically used Holy Protection/Padfoot for half of the game!
As long as these games keep features like this, I think the sales potential for these HD-2D games is going to be niche and limited.
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I remember Resonant Arc saying that HD-2D is perfect for SNES games like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 while games from the PS1 era like Xenogears will fit perfectly in the style of the Star Ocean 2 remake.
Seriously Squenix, open the floodgates! I'm loving these!
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I think the combined sales of DQ III and I & II hd-2d will be the deciding factor if we get hd-2d remakes of DQ IV to VI.
I would LOVE the original final fantasy and Chrono Trigger in HD-2D.
Hoping Square realizes their fans would absolutely SNATCH THESE GAMES UP
After Octopath Traveler and Triangle Strategy, I kind of envisioned HD2D as a sort of "series" itself - like, a way to make new games that look old, but have new gameplay possibilities. Once I started seeing older games in the catalog get remade in HD2D style, I felt overwhelmed...like instead of trying to put up their whole damn catalogue in HD2D, they should think of ways to use the new environment to do more interesting things in gameplay. Like, yeah - Octopath Traveler was great and all...but honestly, every dungeon was just a straight path, and humping the walls would reward you with secret passageways to treasure. No mazes. No gimmicks. No interacting with the environment. Every dungeon. The exact same.
HD2D should be treated more like a gameplay mechanic, and they should find ways to use it to make the game more interesting. Let us play with the camera and lightning. Let us interact with stuff in towns and dungeons, especially in ways that can only be done in three dimensions. Hell - just let us jump, lol. I think using it as an innovation is the key to keeping it interesting, rather than treating it like a simple graphical update.
I think Square struck gold with the HD-2D style, and I'm happy they're concerned about not overdoing it. I hope they do their best to keep these games being special, and not turning it into a hyped fad.
Lufia duology would be a great addition to the set, since its stronger emphasis on puzzle solving would be a nice differential from the other HD-2D ones. I also agree that a Chrono Trigger remake would work in Trials of Mana style, and it would also be a great tribute to Akira Toriyama's legacy and art
I really enjoy the 2d-HD style rpg. If they released a few a year, I’d be happy. But it’s completely understandable that they don’t want to oversaturate the market. The only games that can get away with it is COD, open world sandbox survival, and possibly souls style games. Personally I’m hopeful for a side series in the same vein of the SNES Final Fantasy games.
I can feel his statement on wanting to space out releases, and I'll be there for all the traditional RPGs in the style. This year playing through SMT 5 Vengeance, FF7 (the latest one), P3 remake, Paper Mario TYD, Ys X, FF4 (pixel remaster), Dragon Quest 3 HD, and eventually the new Mario Luigi game is having me pretty busy.
I kinda agree with the execs at Square Enix here. If all games looks the same because they use the same engine and they create these games too fast as if they were out of a factory, in the long run, people will be bored. I think it's a good idea to still use the HD2D for some games, but also they could create something new for other games, like they did back then on the DS with DQ4-5-6. The second trilogy should't be like the first one.
I want to see all of the Final Fantasies as Pixel Remasters, including the 3D ones like FF7-16 and the MSQ remained for 14 to Endwalker
Opening the flood gates would be a terrible idea because it could lead to fatigue quick. Which seems to be what they're talking about. I want DQ IV-VI in HD2D way more than 1-2 but perhaps a better ide a would be to bring the 3D remake of VII and VIII to HD platforms. Dragon Quest XII is probably still a ways off so I think giving the fans what they want and bringing VIII to modern platforms would help maintain interest in DQ and offset the HD2D fatigue.
I think it's simply resolved by not releasing a bunch of them in the same year - remakes not withstanding. I'd love to see the first six games get this treatment like how Final Fantasy had the pixel remasters.
I absolutely love the style. It's 2d rpgs perfected imo. I'm loving DQ3 remake and am hyped for the remakes of 1 and 2. I definitely agree with opening the floodgates. And I think it'd be really cool if they went even further and collaborated with other companies to make even more games in the style. I know it's extremely wishful thinking but my dream game would be a HD2D remake of Pokemon Black and White.
I think the look of HD-2D is so distinct, they’re afraid of looking like they’re just using a cookie cutter to churn out one remake after another. Of all their series, I thought Romancing SaGa would have benefited the most from this and look what they did with 2. It’s phenomenal the way it turned out. Even with the restrictions from the snes days, most of their output really stood out from game to game. It would be a disservice to treat all of those old games the same.
"Triangle Strategy" is a masterpiece, and even if they do decide to leave the FFT remake off the table, we can at least get "War of the Lions" on PC.
FFVI would suit this style for sure, Chrono Trigger would lose some of the vibrancy from 2D HD though, and I agree a different style would be better for it. I just want a definitive version of Chrono Trigger, the SNES version with a proper translation, the anime FMVs and DS extra content, I don't even think it needs much in the way of modern QoL to be honest. 2-3 2DHD games a year would be nice. I just know they wouldn't sprea their relases out though.
Lufia I & II, Bahamut Lagoon and the Zenithian trilogy would be top of my list.
The biggest one I want in HD-2D is Xenogears. I would pay a lot of money for a competent Xenogears remake/remaster
(though what I really want is for SquareEnix to sell it back to Takahashi so Monolith can remake it in the Xenoblade style)
I just finished DQ3 yesterday and have the end game content to do next. 👍
I am looking forward to 1&2 remake.
I would love a remake/remaster of Legend of Zelda and Zelda II Adventures of Link.....
They're not supposed to "flood the market" with this type of game, but rather release them in a sensible manner at an appropriate time. We've seen how it works out when they flood the market with their games already and it wasn't pretty.
That being said, maybe go a bit slower on the Dragon Quest games once 1+2 remake are out and maybe work on 1-3 other titles in the meantime to prevent franchise fatique, because that's what's more likely to happen, not HD-2D fatique.
As for other games, I'm definitely with you on Lufia 2, maybe even Lufia 1 if they polish it a bit, like get rid of the perma miss when you target an enemy that has already been defeated.
Other than that, I'd be a happy gamer if they'd consider Final Fantasy Mystic Quest for the HD-2D treatment, because I feel like this game could be a lot more than it is now. It was my first RPG and to this day I still love it.
Treasure of the Rudra's, Bahamut Lagoon, and Lufia are also ones I'd love to see again (so long as they don't do action like they tried with the DS Lufia 2 "Remake"). Outside HD2D I'd love to just get the PSP version of FF4 outside of the PSP. I'm guessing we'll get FFVI after DQ 1-2 completes unless they already started on other projects and keeping them on the down low. I don't see DQ 7 anytime soon, and I have my doubts on IV-VI of DQ, but would be happy to be wrong on it. Honestly I just want Ogre Battle remastered. Even just added to the Switch Online for SNES and N64. Come on Unicorn showed how much people want a game like that.
Basically only thing I heard from this was that SQUARE ENIX don't want to make any money. 2DHD Remake or Forspoken...c'mon now. I don't think the issue is over flooding, I think a bigger issue is releasing them back to back and paying attention to your release dates.
Yes. Yes they will continue to recreate the Dragonquest games in HD2D. The sales and numbers will speak for itself. There is no doubt. Enix should have never merged with Square but thats just my own feelings from long ago. Much has happened since those days and i cannot deny a pretty decent partnership. Im clearly a very big fan of Dragonquest, Bird Studios and Mr Toriyama. So, of course , if Square and Enix ever had a falling out then i would surely support Enix way more, as i did before the merging. Dragonquest series is my heart, its my home, my comfort zone, my peace and quiet. I wish the best for it and keep my fingers croseed for these beautiful recreations of the series. Thanks again David for making great content!
There has to be some reasonable compromise between releasing a good remake of an old game and not having people not purchasing games. And I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the economics of remaking a game, but if they released say DQ 1,2,3,4,5,6 in this same style AND charge $60 a pop for them, then yeah they're not going to sell as much. But if they take a page from Final Fantasy and have them $15-20 per and perhaps a bundle for less per, then yeah I can see that working well from the consumer side (again I don't know the business side, just from the side where my wallet is the one doing the purchasing).
And lets be perfectly honest, it's not like they simply load the old code into a computer and poof an HD-2D remake comes out... although with "AI" maybe it does? So it's not like you're going to get all the games in a 1 month time frame.
The best looking pixel art game of all time does NOT need a visual update. There are plenty of games with actual dated visuals that need it, first.
While I can see their point of getting bored of HD-2D, it’s better than nothing. I want to be able to play all the DQ games on the same console, right now I have to keep my 3DS around for 4-9. So I say yes, put as many as possible in HD-2D.
HD-2D defo has a place but I hope they don't make every remake in that style. It's great but doesn't replace classic 2D pixel art. :)
HD-2D shines when used in right games though. I personally would burn out on it if it was used on every retro remaster, original projects though, HECK YEAH!
I'm willing to let SE decide the timing of releases, as long as they eventually do hd2d (or better) remakes of most of their older 2d games (I'm less certain about giving that treatment to games like DQ8 that were originally 3d). Doing Chrono Trigger in the style of Visions of Mana sounds awesome, but even doing it in 2.5d (like the remake of Secret of Mana) would be cool. I'm not personally a fan of strategy rpgs (possibly due to struggling with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance), but I'd also be happy if they figured out how to get the rights to remake the Quintet/Enix games Illusion of Gaia and Robotrek.
Honestly, just do Chrono Trigger HD2D after they finish the Erdrick trilogy(if they dont intend to go full 3D like DQ11). Then they can do whatever they want.
This style is fantastic for old rpgs and newly designed games. Every game done this way is gorgeous and easy to enjoy, and it enables so many old classics to be brought to modern standards.
I don't get it why SE isn't doing more HD-2D games if they wanted more money. It's understandable studio executives are chasing trends and trying to get a piece of that Call of Duty/Fortnite profit, but those players are never going to buy their games nevertheless, they're just taking huge risks making triple A games.
They don't want to flood the market and ruin the quality or demand of the games, I don't see a problem here. I rather have them come in a steady and sustained pace over everything at once and things end as a fad.
I love what some of these independent sellers on ebay can do with hardware. Just saying, I think I found an English bootleg of Treasure of the Rudras on an SNES cartridge. I currently have FFIV Ultima and Chrono Trigger Flames of Eternity on SNES cartridges. I know they're fan made, but I really enjoy playing them on the console. I'm one of those people who has to have physical copies.
I'd be okay with one a year, especially if they go between Remakes and new games (sequels to other HD2D games or whole new IPs).
Lufia I + II bundle...yes! I know I'd be salivating seeing all those puzzles in HD2D. And hopefully, especially for the first, they'd add in some QoL features (I'd like some of the ones from DQIII in Lufia 1 since it does play like a Dragon Quest game already).
so many good classics SE could cash in on. Us older gamers have money to purchase the games now.
I think spacing them out is good, I have 4 unsealed games for my PlayStation by Square in my backlog. I didn’t buy FANTASIAN Neo as I need to clear my back log.
The no brainer money printing machine would be to do CHRONOTRIGGER but true to the source / done right. It's so obvious it should be next.
Likely it is difficult finding large enough development partners able to work in 2d workflow. Also Team Asano(Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, Live A Live Remake) the internal Team that worked with Artdink on Dragon Quest 3 HD2D is not the regular Dragon Quest team with Hori mostly in a supervisor role and less involved. Sounds to me that Square Enix is being cautious more than anything.
I don't doubt that Chrono Trigger is coming up for a Remake, I do Doubt it would work well in HD2D given the extra emphasis on animation Chrono Trigger had. At least Artdink had severe issues implementing more dynamic attack animation for you party in DQ3HD due to the work load, leading to them being scrapped. Some developers have gotten Akira Toriyama's style to work very well in 3d Dragon Ball Z Kakarot, Sparking Zero and Dragon Ball Fighterz all come to mind.
A little mixed of the "news". I kind of understand why they want to do it, yet there is still a HUGE market for remakes, especially for classic old RPG games. It would be a shame if they start missing out on it if it starts to die down too much.
Personally, I would love to see a remake of Chrono Trigger, regardless of it being 3D cel shaded or hd 2d remake. Not only would I like to see quality of life updates and possibly a revamped battle system, but I would also love some new optional story elements to the game. Maybe a player rather romances one of the other female characters with Chrono either with choices in "present" time, or Chrono can time travel in his personal history or something to get closer to certain characters or just change a certain event to open the romance path. This would not only give more replay value, but it would also give new endings.
They haven't released a ton of these games so I think it might be the usual Japanese being more cautious in business.
I feel this is causing some real discussions at Square Enix simply for the fact that Dragon Quest 3 Remake is apparently selling better than both FF 16 and 7 remake. Which I'm sure surprised the hell out of them given they thought the market was going the Call of Duty route where you need these massive budgets and system breaking graphics and real time combat and something like DQ 3 was never thought of as 'what we want'.
But what we want are great games, we love dungeon crawling and turn based RPGs so no the success doesn't surprise me.
Omg what's the track that starts at 5:50
It sounds so familiar but I can't put my finger on it. This is gonna bother me for awhile until I find it.
I hope we get Bahamut Lagoon finally…. Heard nothing but amazing things from the emulated versions also how about Terrinigma?
What if they did FF6 in the HD 2d style but when you get into a fight make the character sprites more like XenoGears on the ps1. Bigger more detailed sprites. With equipment changes. It would be incredible.
Unicorn Overlord and Dragons Crown are amazing looking.
Don’t be too quick to believe that Dave. I follow PlayerEssemce and he has said if we do a good job supporting DQ3-2DHD we could possibly get many more remade in that style like FF6. I believe maybe even Chrono Trigger as well!
As much as I love the idea of those remakes, Im not paying 79.99 for a texture pack for a game I already beat many times. If they released them at 39,99 I would be all in.
I wonder how much they are worried about the market being flooded by not just them, but by other companies joining the trend. Personally I'd love a flood of them, but I'm your age. If Capcom does Breath of Fire this way I'll be super happy.
Bored?! I can't get enough of these HD2D games!!
I get it (I guess) and it's tricky to figure out where the balance is between crowding themselves out of the market and losing everyone's interest is but I feel like I'm gonna die of old age before I see proper remakes of FF6 and CT... 😖 Definitely agree that Chrono Trigger deserves a bigger glowup and would look sexy af remade in a style similar to the 3D Dragon Quest games. Just gonna keep on hoping...
It peaked with the Star Ocean 2 remake to me, didn't have any censorship either to my knowledge so I didn't have any qualms with supporting it. Sure, the game is easy as hell compared to the original but it gives you so many more tools to work with.
Man finding out Tactics Ogre Reborn failed financially is crushing, it's such a good game.
we wouldn't get bored lol i would love if they kept me remaking old games as long as we still get 12 cant wait
I just want them to remake Chrono Trigger and the Golden Sun games in HD-3D. Then, I am more than happy for them to chill out on making games in that style for a while. I just NEED these first then stop haha 😅
I would Looooooove Chrono Trigger in the style of DQXI! Imagine the Kingdom of Zeal and 2300 AD in 3D!
I'd like to see the Lufia collection remade like FF7.
Hmmm... this one's tough for me. On one hand, I absolutely adore the look and feel of the new DQ3 HD-2D remake. But on the other hand, I think this is a case of trying to make games look realistic as possible, or somehow less like a game and more like a movie, and I'm not into that at all. I want a game that looks and feels like a game, and my particular preference is older RPG games in the 16 bit or even 8 bit era. I do understand though why people want to see older games from thirty years ago remade with this new visual style. I'd say if anything that I would echo what most of the comments here suggest... if one of these older games are going to be remade, just add quality of life stuff, maybe even some new content, but the visual style doesn't really need to change all that much... or even at all. I mean, I want to wear my nostalgia glasses proudly when I play these beloved games from my childhood! I don't need to see the games through a new lens, so to speak. But again... the style is fantastic looking for sure...
We know that these games sell. I love the style. It also hits a demographic that is faithful to buy these games and has the funds to do it. I don't mind that they are thoughtful about which games and don't want to over do it. One would think that the development cost for this style is less than whatever they spent for FF XVI.
Dragon quest 3 HD2D remake only sold well in Japan, everywhere else was a flop due to censoring art in the western version and removing gender from the infamous body type A and B crap to appease People of a certain community by erasing gender.
I think this report honestly because of sales falloff with the hd2d games. They released like 4/5? In a year and a half and even octopath 2 saw a pretty big falloff comp to the first game that was on ONE platform. So if they at least space them out they won't get receding returns
i wish they had skipped the pixel remasters and just done ff 1-6 in hd2d. That was such a missed opportunity to make a definitive edition of each game.
Absolute nonsense.
I will buy every single HD2D remake of the old classics that they make. Sign me up, there is no limit.
If they had Dragon Quest 1,2,3,4,5,6,9 - Final Fantasy 1,2,3,4,5,6 - Chrono Trigger - Lufia 1,2 - etc...
I'd buy them ALL THIS year if they were avialable, they can literally have my money if they had the games ready.
All those games are going to cost you a total of 900.00, just saying, seems like it's a pretty steep price for something I could just emulate for free
@zacziggarot $900 is well worth for me. I'd pay double that ^_-
@@zantharian57 it's your money to burn 🤷
I would LOVE ff6 with romancing saga type 3D game... all the characters.. WOW!
Yeah I am very worried about the future of HD-2D games, not that they won´t make them anymore. But it looks like they will limit them to 1 each year. And with the success of DQ3 Remake I worry that they will stop making new HD-2D games. Don´t get me wrong I don´t have anything against remakes, they are important and great, but I also want Octopath Traveler 3 and I am worried that my favorite series will no longer be supported.