Thank you for another great, informative video. Just received my PVS-14, L3, un-filmed monocular from TNVC with mounts, shroud and fast bump helmet. Very pleased with entire process (questions, sales, process and delivery). Keep cutting edge product reviews coming. Best regards.
Please make a range video!!!! - Like people at different ranges and how effective it is. - having different heat sources at different ranges in the same view, does it cause issues I definitely want this to go with the new PVS-31a. Hopefully they ship the week of the 22nd. Really appreciate how you try to give information to help people learn and see. Definitely appreciated!!!! Congratulations on TNVC and thank you for continuing to present things to everyone!!!!
At $8K plus these should be amazing. Thank you for the information. Talking about e-coti accessories, "pretty expensive..." Lol. No doubt since the device is also very expensive.
Great Review and matches my experience with my eCOTI. Since the PVS31A came out, I have a matching cable on order to power both from the 31a’s battery pack. Pricy but slick!
TNVC’s ECOTI webpage states that the first shipment sold out, and the second shipment is expected in mid-February. What is the current order/backorder, queue/availability status? What’s the expected wait time on backorders, from order to delivery?
Hoping to see a comparison of this vs. the TAD, when it’s finally in stock. The lack of Patrol Mode on the TAD seems like a pretty significant usability issue.
One thing TNVC has that I would like to see is their high end military or law enforcement only thermal weapon sights that hopefully will become available to everyone
They still use inferior VGA or low pixels density OLED displays (640x480). Also, there is a serious gap between military clip on thermal weapons nights and civilian models (the SNIPE IR is a joke.. even more so at $10k). Hopefully some of these superior sights make it to the market soon.
hello my friend regards from chile i , have a question if i may , can this system PVS -31A by L3Harris can be fused with the Optics 1 ECOTI ??? , i can see you can mount this gadget /thermal ) into the monocular, but does it works on a binocular night vision ? thanks
How did your brain handle the slightly different image between the two eyes, with one eye not getting the thermal overlay while the other eye does? Was your brain able to fuse the two images relatively easily? Did you try the advice @WhereNow&How gave in his comments to your previous video, about turning down the gain on the ECOTI-less PVS-14 to half that on the ECOTI PVS-14 (in Patrol mode), and how that facilitates image fusion between the eyes and brain?
So if you had to patrol in the woods, I'm talking thick canopy at night, would you rather use this or the Breach system? I've had very little success with night vision our here in the Pacific islands. We have thick jungle canopy and lot and lots of rain that lasts for months. There's virtually no ambient light since the clouds block out the moon and stars, and even on clear nights not much light makes it through the canopy. Thermal is NECESSARY in the jungle, but I'm wondering if this or the NOD and Brach combo is the better route.
Great question. I’d go with the Breach for dense terrain since it works great at shorter distances and gives a better overall thermal view. So, basically, walk with the -14 / nods and stop and scan with the breach.
Hi Will, congratulations on the gig with TNVC, sounds like a great fit. I have been following your breach/pvs14 videos and have been planning on making the move to something similar to that setup (possibly with the mh25). I plan on using it for animal detection and purely for recreation however I’m now confused as to whether I should get a Coti (pas29, ecoti is out of my price range) or a dedicated thermal monocular. Which do you think would be best for that sort of detection? Already have an unfilmed pvs 14 and g22.
I’m actually going to do a video about this soon. The short answer is that you need both for the best results. By both I mean night vision with a COTI/ECOTI and a hand held thermal. The COTI is great for detecting but in many cases you can’t identify what the hell it is unless the animal is large enough and at a good angle to ID it. Otherwise, you can see that something is there but that’s about it with the COTI, so you can use IR which may or may not work to ID, or do the same with a handheld thermal. A dedicated thermal will run circles around the COTI in terms of faster detection and identification. If you can only afford one or the other, then a PVS-14 and thermal (MH25, Breach, NOX, etc) will give the best overall results but at the sacrifice of having a monocular only for night vision.
COTI needs to be periodically NUC’d while in use. Is that also the case for ECOTI? If so, does that require putting the lens cap back on ECOTI’s objective lens when NUC’ing?
@@charleswhalen7332 do you also put your hand at front of coti to check if you not forget to remove the lens cover after calibration? for me it's a part of routine lol
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks. i need that for custom powering project, it's for TACS-M initially, but am very curious if it's possible to work with e-coti since original coti/ecoti power cables are uncommon, non-standard (like 31/psq36/gpnvg) and expensive. Should be working just as drop-in, but there is no e-coti to check.
@@wherenowhow6037 yeah, they looks pretty the same, but it's possible the threads are different. Onboard connector is very strange thing as it's made only to sell custom connector cables and you cant power it with regular cables like other units like 31/psq36/gpnvg. For me TACS-M works like magic to see people, almost no false alerts. Only downside it's asking to feed one more CR123 every hour and the battery which is looks empty for COTI can power OASYS UTM after that.
@@wherenowhow6037 yeah, my idea is the same - whole new cap with standard 4pin fisher. (it's always 3V). Buck-boost for 3V is very interesting idea, but searching the reliable one will take some time. Now it's in R&D stage. Sorry, i am not on Sniper Hide and ARFCOM and in fact outside of conus, to be honest. They surely will be available when ready, i ll let you know.
ECOTI AN/PAS-29B isn’t discontinued. The original COTI AN/PAS-29A was. Reason is for the better sensor and data input for additional HUD info (MIL only accessories).
Me personally never because I have binos. You can do it however. The drawback is you’re limited to the positions you can mount it due to the -14 body and which bridge you’re using and it adds extra weight to the already heavy dual -14/
How do things like smoke/dust/glass that obstruct the thermal image affect the overall image? Can you still see them the same as with NV by itself? Or does the coti image obscure everything?
@@Raunadraug you know I didn’t try that and I don’t have it in my possession anymore to see. You can get thermal reflections off of glass, so if that happened, the thermal image could affect the NV image. However, it takes a second to put the lens cap back on the thermal which would alleviate that if it occurred.
From TNVC’s ECOTI webpage, I gather that ECOTI has the following two options for auxiliary external battery packs: 1) Optics-1’s 6-Cell GPS-enabled External Battery Pack and Cable 2) BNVD adapter cable for use with the AN/PVS-31A BNVD’s Cold Weather Battery Pack (CWBP) Could you please let me know for each of the above two options: a) the pricing, and b) the added runtime? I assume that the latter option (#2 above) is the L3Harris Battery Power Supply/Cable (AN/PVS-31 BNVD), 25” BNVD Cable, Black Battery Pack, SKU: L3-INS-BNVD-CWBPKIT, with a list price of $1,104.84, currently listed as “in stock” on TNVC’s webpage for that item. Is that correct?
You'd probably be able to detect a human at about 500+ yards in the right conditions (perhaps much more) however it's really not intended for long range use.
I wonder if it’s compatible with a pvs-7, I’m a working father so I am usually a budget gear guy but last tax season was able to snag a gen 3 pvs-7 for a grand and still had a few grand left over for goodies lol. I’m thinking next tax season I might just get this if it’s compatible
It would be cool if the ECOTI had a wireless weapon attachment that you could zero that allowed it to pull video feed from the gun which allowed you to use the video feed as a aiming device like a laser 🤔🤔🤔🤔
At 8k I could just have a pvs14 panobridged with an iray thermal monocular and still have money in my pocket.. Holy hell. The overlay is nice, but Jesus.
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Very interesting addition to the TNVC family. Thank you very much for sharing the video and data with us!
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Thank you for another great, informative video.
Just received my PVS-14, L3, un-filmed monocular from TNVC with mounts, shroud and fast bump helmet. Very pleased with entire process (questions, sales, process and delivery). Keep cutting edge product reviews coming. Best regards.
Please make a range video!!!!
- Like people at different ranges and how effective it is.
- having different heat sources at different ranges in the same view, does it cause issues
I definitely want this to go with the new PVS-31a. Hopefully they ship the week of the 22nd.
Really appreciate how you try to give information to help people learn and see. Definitely appreciated!!!!
Congratulations on TNVC and thank you for continuing to present things to everyone!!!!
At $8K plus these should be amazing. Thank you for the information. Talking about e-coti accessories, "pretty expensive..." Lol. No doubt since the device is also very expensive.
Well, on the plus side, the guy who can afford an ECOTI can probably afford the accessories lol.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION No doubt true. Thanks!
Great info like always! This is awesome that you work at tnvc now, keep up the great vids bro!!
Thanks brother 🤙
Great Review and matches my experience with my eCOTI. Since the PVS31A came out, I have a matching cable on order to power both from the 31a’s battery pack. Pricy but slick!
After using the ECOTI I now know why you love it so much 👍
Where would you get the proprietary coti connector?
@@BobBob-il2ku TNVC sells ECOTI accessories. They’re super expensive. If you have the extra cash it’s worth it otherwise just run CR123A’s IMO.
Another good video from Will
Thanks Brandon 🤙
If I ever win the lottery or my investments turn out to be really good, I'll def get back to you guys.
Damn this thing is sick, great videos man.
Great video, I have a pvs14 and I'm about to purchase RNVGs from tnvc, so maybe next year for that, definitely looks like a must have.
What are your plans for your current pvs14’s once you get your rnvg’s?
@@romeowhiskeylima556 Well my plans is to do a lot of night hiking with my girl and some with my sons.
TNVC’s ECOTI webpage states that the first shipment sold out, and the second shipment is expected in mid-February. What is the current order/backorder, queue/availability status? What’s the expected wait time on backorders, from order to delivery?
Thanks for this, im looking at getting one soon and there arent enough vids out there due to limited number in the hands of people.
Hoping to see a comparison of this vs. the TAD, when it’s finally in stock. The lack of Patrol Mode on the TAD seems like a pretty significant usability issue.
One thing TNVC has that I would like to see is their high end military or law enforcement only thermal weapon sights that hopefully will become available to everyone
what, nvision or trijicon bae units aren't good enough for you?
@@sonicnofadz if the military can have it, then I want it. Should be available if you have the money
They still use inferior VGA or low pixels density OLED displays (640x480). Also, there is a serious gap between military clip on thermal weapons nights and civilian models (the SNIPE IR is a joke.. even more so at $10k). Hopefully some of these superior sights make it to the market soon.
Thanks for sharing. Great video as usual
hello my friend regards from chile i , have a question if i may , can this system PVS -31A by L3Harris can be fused with the Optics 1 ECOTI ??? , i can see you can mount this gadget /thermal ) into the monocular, but does it works on a binocular night vision ? thanks
How did your brain handle the slightly different image between the two eyes, with one eye not getting the thermal overlay while the other eye does? Was your brain able to fuse the two images relatively easily? Did you try the advice @WhereNow&How gave in his comments to your previous video, about turning down the gain on the ECOTI-less PVS-14 to half that on the ECOTI PVS-14 (in Patrol mode), and how that facilitates image fusion between the eyes and brain?
I just caught this question. What I did was turn down the brightness on the ECOTI.
So if you had to patrol in the woods, I'm talking thick canopy at night, would you rather use this or the Breach system? I've had very little success with night vision our here in the Pacific islands. We have thick jungle canopy and lot and lots of rain that lasts for months. There's virtually no ambient light since the clouds block out the moon and stars, and even on clear nights not much light makes it through the canopy. Thermal is NECESSARY in the jungle, but I'm wondering if this or the NOD and Brach combo is the better route.
Great question. I’d go with the Breach for dense terrain since it works great at shorter distances and gives a better overall thermal view. So, basically, walk with the -14 / nods and stop and scan with the breach.
Great video! How can I get one of these in the UK?
You can’t. Closest is the China made Jerry C
Hi Will, congratulations on the gig with TNVC, sounds like a great fit. I have been following your breach/pvs14 videos and have been planning on making the move to something similar to that setup (possibly with the mh25). I plan on using it for animal detection and purely for recreation however I’m now confused as to whether I should get a Coti (pas29, ecoti is out of my price range) or a dedicated thermal monocular. Which do you think would be best for that sort of detection? Already have an unfilmed pvs 14 and g22.
I’m actually going to do a video about this soon.
The short answer is that you need both for the best results. By both I mean night vision with a COTI/ECOTI and a hand held thermal. The COTI is great for detecting but in many cases you can’t identify what the hell it is unless the animal is large enough and at a good angle to ID it.
Otherwise, you can see that something is there but that’s about it with the COTI, so you can use IR which may or may not work to ID, or do the same with a handheld thermal.
A dedicated thermal will run circles around the COTI in terms of faster detection and identification. If you can only afford one or the other, then a PVS-14 and thermal (MH25, Breach, NOX, etc) will give the best overall results but at the sacrifice of having a monocular only for night vision.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks Will, that definitely helps. Looking forward to the new video.
Did they ever release the lower cost ECOTI without all of the encrypted features that most of us don’t use?
ETA is this summer
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION Do you think the TAD will be better? Or just cheaper?
@@thegolflife7565 It will be better for the average user as it is lighter, smaller, and less expensive.
Excellent review.
Thank you 🤙
COTI needs to be periodically NUC’d while in use. Is that also the case for ECOTI? If so, does that require putting the lens cap back on ECOTI’s objective lens when NUC’ing?
I haven’t found a need at least in my operating conditions for frequent NUCs. It’s a manual NUC process that requires the lens cover.
Thanks. At least I’m used to it and know the routine.
@@charleswhalen7332 do you also put your hand at front of coti to check if you not forget to remove the lens cover after calibration? for me it's a part of routine lol
Getting To the NUC in the menu can be a little tricky. The auto NUC on the Breach is nice.
how on earth does patrol mode work.. pretty fascinating
Proprietary Algorithms
hi, i have a little question about E-COTI and regular TACS-M/PAS-29. Are their battery caps interchangable?
Not sure to be honest but I’ll find for you
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks. i need that for custom powering project, it's for TACS-M initially, but am very curious if it's possible to work with e-coti since original coti/ecoti power cables are uncommon, non-standard (like 31/psq36/gpnvg) and expensive. Should be working just as drop-in, but there is no e-coti to check.
@@wherenowhow6037 yeah, they looks pretty the same, but it's possible the threads are different. Onboard connector is very strange thing as it's made only to sell custom connector cables and you cant power it with regular cables like other units like 31/psq36/gpnvg. For me TACS-M works like magic to see people, almost no false alerts. Only downside it's asking to feed one more CR123 every hour and the battery which is looks empty for COTI can power OASYS UTM after that.
@@wherenowhow6037 yeah, my idea is the same - whole new cap with standard 4pin fisher. (it's always 3V). Buck-boost for 3V is very interesting idea, but searching the reliable one will take some time. Now it's in R&D stage. Sorry, i am not on Sniper Hide and ARFCOM and in fact outside of conus, to be honest. They surely will be available when ready, i ll let you know.
@@wherenowhow6037 looks like a cant leave it here, sorry
BNVG Elbit tubes with this would look about the same right
Yes
If running binos do I need to run a unit for each tube or just the one on my dominant eye?
You only need to run one and whichever eye you prefer
Thank you
Any idea why the ECOTI was discontinued?
ECOTI AN/PAS-29B isn’t discontinued. The original COTI AN/PAS-29A was. Reason is for the better sensor and data input for additional HUD info (MIL only accessories).
Is this useful for hunting a Bigfoot?
Where can you buy one?
@@nordykid TNVC. Also check out the TAD. It’s essentially a lower cost ECOTI
What kind of degree do you need to get into this industry? Mechanical engineering? Physics?
How do you mount it on dual pics-14?
Me personally never because I have binos. You can do it however. The drawback is you’re limited to the positions you can mount it due to the -14 body and which bridge you’re using and it adds extra weight to the already heavy dual -14/
Op set up flir breach pvs 14 white phosphor thin film elbt tubes and some good hearing muffs that enhance your hearing and nothing will escape you
Thanks for sharing.
Would this work on a pvs-14 with a 3x magnifier?
no
what's better ecoti or Jerry C5?
Compass doesn't need to be connected to ATAK?
Does Ecoti can be mounted on mnvd 40 by flir housing?Or its just pvs14 and similar compatible?
I can't say for certain but it doesn't look like the adapter will fit it properly.
How do things like smoke/dust/glass that obstruct the thermal image affect the overall image? Can you still see them the same as with NV by itself? Or does the coti image obscure everything?
As long as the obscurant doesn’t totally block the thermal image, you will still see the thermal overlay over top of the obscured night vision image.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION So like, if I'm looking through glass, the NV image is still visible? Or will the thermal block it?
@@Raunadraug you know I didn’t try that and I don’t have it in my possession anymore to see. You can get thermal reflections off of glass, so if that happened, the thermal image could affect the NV image. However, it takes a second to put the lens cap back on the thermal which would alleviate that if it occurred.
So on dual tube do you see the effects out of both tubes or just the one it’s on?
Just the one but your brain interprets it as both eyes.
From TNVC’s ECOTI webpage, I gather that ECOTI has the following two options for auxiliary external battery packs:
1) Optics-1’s 6-Cell GPS-enabled External Battery Pack and Cable
2) BNVD adapter cable for use with the AN/PVS-31A BNVD’s Cold Weather Battery Pack (CWBP)
Could you please let me know for each of the above two options: a) the pricing, and b) the added runtime?
I assume that the latter option (#2 above) is the L3Harris Battery Power Supply/Cable (AN/PVS-31 BNVD), 25” BNVD Cable, Black Battery Pack, SKU: L3-INS-BNVD-CWBPKIT, with a list price of $1,104.84, currently listed as “in stock” on TNVC’s webpage for that item. Is that correct?
Hi Charles, shoot an email to sales@tnvc.com and as soon as I see it I’ll reply with more information
Regarding the cable for use with the BNVD, there is a different 7 pin Y cable you have to add to run the ECOTI with the CWBP
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION Just did, thanks.
@@charleswhalen7332 👍
how far is the detection range on the ecoti? less than the flir breach?
You'd probably be able to detect a human at about 500+ yards in the right conditions (perhaps much more) however it's really not intended for long range use.
Would it work on a PVS7?
The COTI does, so I'm pretty sure this does as well.
I wonder if it’s compatible with a pvs-7, I’m a working father so I am usually a budget gear guy but last tax season was able to snag a gen 3 pvs-7 for a grand and still had a few grand left over for goodies lol. I’m thinking next tax season I might just get this if it’s compatible
As long as it’s a Mil-Spec housing it will be compatible with the PVS-14 version
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION a 14 is NOT a 7, the objective diameters are different.
@@marcperkins360 I know they are not the same but they should be close enough in diameter that the PVS-14 bracket should work
It would be cool if the ECOTI had a wireless weapon attachment that you could zero that allowed it to pull video feed from the gun which allowed you to use the video feed as a aiming device like a laser 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Can you use it with PVM dual PVS mount bridge?
It goes on the pvs-14 objective lens lock ring so as long as that’s what you got it’ll fit
Can these see IR laser?
Well if one day I can afford quads I think I’ll be in the financial position where I can get 4 ecotis to put on them 😈😈🥵
I was thinking the same thing
You’ve spoken highly of JRH industries in the past. I understand your at TNVC now but would you still recommend them?
I would absolutely recommend JRH for devices that he offers that TNVC doesn’t. Obviously, if we’re talking the same items then I recommend TNVC 😉
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION Just out of curiosity, are you living in Southern CA or are you working for them online?
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I’m remote not in CA
PVS-7 capable?
The COTI does, so I'm pretty sure this does as well.
At 8k I could just have a pvs14 panobridged with an iray thermal monocular and still have money in my pocket.. Holy hell. The overlay is nice, but Jesus.
So in summation you can overlay a Breach but it is never going to work this good
That is correct
Get some.
Doesn’t this video violate ITAR?
😎😎😎😎
Will it work on a pvs-7?