Do Psychedelics Unlock a Deeper Truth? With Rick Doblin & Neil deGrasse Tyson
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Do psychedelics reveal a different objective reality? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comedian Chuck Nice learn about psychedelic drugs, treating PTSD, and other mind-bending research with President of Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) Rick Doblin.
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How do psychedelics work? What makes a drug psychedelic? Learn about the history of psychedelics in the United States and the different hurdles to overcome when researching illicit substances. Was the government too quick to criminalize these drugs? We explore MDMA and its prosocial effects in octopuses and the effects of psychedelic use. What is the difference between recreational and therapeutic uses?
How have psychedelics been helpful in the therapeutic treatment of PTSD? We discuss how psychedelics could do to the field of psychology what the telescope did for astronomy. What does MDMA do to the brain in PTSD patients? Learn about the amygdala, prefrontal cortex, and why ecstasy might not be the best name for MDMA.
Learn how the “fallen Mormon” study helped uncover the effects of ecstasy. Is microdosing an effective use of these types of drugs? Discover an experiment where they gave psychedelic drugs to religious leaders. We discuss objective versus subject reality and why delusions associated with tripping feel so mystical. Do psychedelics unlock a deeper truth?
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00:00 - Introduction: Psychedelics
1:45 - Drug Laws: Studying Illegal Substances
8:50 - The Psychedelic Research Renaissance
9:59 - What is a Psychedelic?
14:48 - Neuroplasticity & Therapeutic Use
18:08 - What is MDMA?
20:10 - Using Psychedelics to Treat PTSD
30:26 - Psychedelics in Academia
33:33 - The Fallen Mormon Ecstasy Study
36:54 - Micro-dosing & Creativity
38:53 - Tripping, Delusions, & Mystical Experiences
42:50 - Illuminating Objective Reality - Наука та технологія
Who else is stoked that we finally did this episode!? 🙌
I'm psyched!😂
Definitely interesting. Go back and correct your aliens video though. The alien from the predator are supposed to have originated from earth. Predator Homeworld from 1999 addresses this. Which is why they look like humans.
im am happy to feel connected with the community
Far out, Man!
You should have had "Timothy Leary" playing in the background. ;-P
Guest: let's talk about drugs
Chuck: sit down Neil, I got this
😂
😂😅😢 Egos not Science is what stops progress sometimes. It will be interesting where this field of research leads. Chuck you got this!
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.sporessss I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I wish they were readily available in my place.
Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac.
He's constantly talking about killing someone.
He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.
Is he on instagram?
Yes he is. dr.sporessss
Psychedelics are just an amazing discovery. It's quite fascinating how effective they are for depression and stress..saved my life.
Psychedelics definitely have potential to deal with health issues like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them but it's just hard to source out here.
I'm feeling the same way too. I put so much on my plate and it definitelv affects mv stress and anxietv levels
I was having this constant and unbearable anxiety because of university stress. Not until I came across Ted Winston, a very intelligent mycologist, He saved my life honestly.
How can I contact him?
HE'S MOSTLY ON INSTAGRAMS, USING THE USERNAME
Depression haunted my life from a very young age, and I was put on a bunch of SSRIs as a child in attempt to deal with it. None worked.Psychedelic mushrooms was brought to my attention. It was the first thing that actually had real effects. They should only be used with great care and respect.
I hear this is supposed to be good for people who have mental health issues. I actually just started the research process of microdosing and all that. Im to the point where I want shock treatment.
dr.perryshroom is your guy. Got all kinds of psychedelics stuff. Guided me through my first ever experience
Been through this conversation before. I can’t do anything without a proper medical professional following me.
Okay um, possible on Instgram?
YES, he is dr.perryshroom. There's a lot of potential in psychedelics
I’m 72 years with a bipolar disorder,ADD and PTSD diagnosed at 61 years. I did psychedelics in the 70’s and liked some of them. I was afraid of what I’d see in my inner self so I stopped. I recently did EMDR therapy and it is amazing how well it has worked for me. Finally at 72 I have control of my illness 🎉
Happy to hear you’ve found peace & resolve
I did mushrooms at 19 and had an amazing experience where I relived several traumatizing moments of my life that I'd completely forgotten about and repressed for years. It was beautiful the way
you may be autistic then
That’s awesome, keep up the good work!
How, where and from whom were you able to get this therapy? I have no doubt psychedelics could be beneficial. The organization MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) is dedicated to studying this. The problem is the legality. While they're close to having FDA approval on MDMA (hopefully sometime this year), it'll still take time for each individual substance. And longer to get therapists trained in psychedelic therapy, at least more than the handful at MAPS.
47:00 Who wants to see Neil Degrasse Tyson taking the challenge of taking Psilocybin? I definitely would like to see an episode of his experience.
Would not mind see him with less ego🤭
He would never lol
@@dimfuturefilms9070 The real true might deconstruct his world!
@@AndreBarbosaPC When I took Psilocybin my entire paradigm and ego was shattered, every belief system I held onto was immediately redundant to the true nature of reality.
there was no abrahamic god, there is no me, there is no sense of self, there is no “I” or “I am” What we perceive as “Me” or “I” is an illusion. The universe is indifferent to life. There is no objective “right” or “wrong”
we are a conscious molecular machine that has a sense of self only because the universe and it’s laws of physics by total randomness resulted in billions of years of evolution to “construct” us. We are the universe experiencing itself, We are the consciousness of the universe. What exactly a consciousness is, is still a mystery. Perhaps maybe we are a universal collective consciousness, like a quantum frequency, and our brains are like a quantum receiver, with the illusion we are separate from the consciousness of others, when we are of the same quantum frequency which the “universe” is dialed into every organism that has a brain and is experiencing all “our” perceptions all at once. This is all theoretical.
Neil may learn valuable lessons from psychedelics. I think he wouldn't understand without trying them.
His tune would change completely if he did, he's too afraid of shattering his bubble tho.
Where would he even get some 😂
@@ericthawin6900 they're incredibly easy to acquire. Joe Rogan even offered him some.
He's a world-famous celebrity that lives in NYC @ericthawin6900
@@ericthawin6900lol it’s so easy to get them
Love hearing Chuck feel very comfortable and at home with a subject. Not that theres any issue with listening to the experts- just nice to see a different take
The moment Chuck came in as an expert, I knew it was gonna be a good episode
Chuck is incredibly inquisitive, wise, funny, and SO INTELLIGENT. You can literally see and hear the moment when Chucks understanding just EXPLODES when he’s learning something new. Love him
Chessboard analogy is perfect!
Chuck is the man!
His sense of humor always seems to have a kernel of deep thoughtfulness behind it. I hope he performs on the West Coast someday!
Chuck is thee BEST co-host. His input on this episode was so needed.
! It's fascinating how everyone's psychedelic experiences can be so unique, even when taking the same amount at the same time.
Any good dealer? I seriously want to try out.,
I can say dr.melvinshrooms is the man for you.
dr.melvinshrooms has pure psychedelics products-:
Yeah.
He is dr.melvinshrooms
Absolutely! It's incredible to see how psilocybin mushrooms and psychedelics have the potential to make a positive impact on mental health. They've shown promising results in treating depression and anxiety. It's exciting to think about the possibilities they hold for helping people.
It is rare that I comment on things, but trying psychedelics are what spurred me out of pseudoscience and into the world of geology and to actually learn the fundamentals of what minerals actually do. Without LSD, id have never looked through a microscope and saw the crystal lattice structure of a quartz. I was lost in a sea of past lives and other horse apples. Turning the chess board is a fantastic way to put it.
Same✌️ but in other scientific subjects.
Do you still believe you are on a spinning water ball in an empty void? That's pseudoscience.
@@slow-mo_moonbuggylol
@@slow-mo_moonbuggystraw man
@@Dude8718 It's not but you can believe you are living on a sphere when there literally isn't any proof.
Regarding Neil's self-downplayed claim of PTSD ( 28:00 ), I feel it's worth remembering the phrase "trauma is trauma", meaning that if someone claims they're traumatized, then that means they indeed are traumatized. No trauma is more "real" than other traumas. Thank you for sharing your experiences, regarding your personal 9/11 experience, Neil.
Nah.
❄️ ❄️ ❄️
@@chutcentral What?
I think the thing that makes something POST traumatic stress disorder is that it continues to affect the person loooong after the trauma took place. Neil mentioned he would tense up when hearing sirens for 8(?) months(?) after the initial incident took place. That’s a very normal reaction to have. Most people have the tools to deal with trauma so that their symptoms improve over time, the thing that makes it PTSD is when it worsens the longer that it goes unaddressed and completely takes over their life. It’s a stress disorder separate from normal trauma responses. I think Neil corrects himself afterwards in saying that he doesn’t think he actually had PTSD, because he was traumatized, but was still in control of his life. PTSD is when you’re out of control to the point that you’re hurting y0urs3lf and/or the people around you. Just to clear it up.
Yeah, um, no. He claimed PTSD and then subsequently proved it wasn't PTSD. Having a traumatic event does not equal PTSD. PTSD comes after the event and typically lingers for a long time (sometimes indefinitely). For a lot of military folks, it may not even come to the surface until long after they leave the service.
Rick said it better afterwards: Acute Stress Disorder instead of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
As a former Mormon who used to rave a LOT in Salt Lake City around 15 years ago, that study 100% sounds plausible😊
So how many studies is this opinion based on? I’m saving this episode for later.
I did not want this episode to end! We need more on this Neil, please. Rick is so great and Neil, I love your openness and willingness to always hear and learn. Chuck, funny and awesome as always! 💗
Dont do drugs!
This episode ended at 50:42 at the einstein quote about imagination being more important than knowledge. mr dGT had no words, because albert was/is right. gandhi was right, too :)
@@grenadine420 dunno about gandhi but yea that quote is really true. imagination opens up so many doors to knowledge, it's awesome
I would pay $100 to see an unedited video of Neil and Chuck on a psychedelic.
This was a wonderful episode and was very informative while keeping the subject light-hearted. I do wish that Rick wasn't interrupted as often as I feel he could have gone deeper into the subjects he was asked more if he was allowed to actually speak without the banter. I understand that Psychedelics and "drugs" as a whole tends to bring up lighthearted jokes and banter, but that also slightly feeds into the stigma and stereotype of it being a party drug. I feel that Neil's very obvious bias prevented the conversation from progressing fully to psychedelics' medical and therapeutic applications and instead focused on his very opinionated views of recreational use.
That said, this was a wonderful video, and I would have loved an extended version of this! I appreciate the time, research, and love put into all of these videos to make these topics more easily accessible and put into a context that anyone can enjoy. StarTalk always manages to make learning, even subjects that may be intimidating or overwhelming, to be not only fun but easier to digest. Thank you for yet another delightful and informative video.
I experimented with mushrooms, and was a incredible experience. I have to say what i have a scientific point of view, and that change everything compared with use only for funny, but is absolutamente recomendable. The trip and sensations are insane, literaly you can see your thinks like if them been materializing. Is a unic experience
That's very interesting,@@sebastiancampos7289 ! I come with the unique experience of having Aphantasia (A blind mind's eye) so was attempting different experiences from the perspective of having no visual imagination and seeing the effects of neuroplasticity on the brain while still having aphantasia.
The brain and consciousness as a whole is a very interesting thing, and I hope we remain curious as a species. Perhaps psychedelics will be a compass into the innermost workings of the mind and how we map out and can heal it most effectively when applied with different sciences.
@@sebastiancampos7289 Thanks Ricky.
I agree, I love Neil and think the world of him- but his obvious bias stopped this episode from being able to go deep into the subject. Thats the power of the stigma from the war on drugs. Propaganda works, and can stop even a great mind like Neil's from being open in a certain area. It really highlights that even the best of us have biases
Overall I agree that this topic needs a deeper, more serious, respectable dive. There could be many hour long videos on it... however, I'd like to point out that Neils bias, more or less, is reflection of societies bias at large towards psychedelics...and just as Neil has to trudge through his bias, fight it, and hopefully re-learn, so does society... ultimately my point is: the respect psychedelics deserve on a large scale needs to start somewhere, and just as Neil has to go through and rework his bias, so does a large portion of his audience. Therefore, his process through this on screen will ultimately help many people work through that same path. Does that make sense?
By the way I love Neil, his a big hero of mine... but we all have inherent bias and I think on a large scale he's closer to freedom from bias on psychedelics than many of his generation.
The one topic Chuck is more informed than Neil on 😂 love you guys
As a theoretical physicist, I've found big help in psychedelics. They make you see things from a different perspective, and it's easier to visualize things. It is also great for visualizing abstract math and getting a more intuitive understanding of it. I think that if you're a generally very objective person, you'll stay objective while under the influence of a psychedelic, even though you might adopt a more philosophical mindset for a while.
This is nothing but irrelevant confirmation bias in an effort to justify your perceptions. Thousands of successful scientists before you, and thousands after you are gone, will be extremely effective in their researches without the use of psychedelics. Broad-brush stupidity about psychedelics making you somehow a "better" scientist is ignorant and pathetic.
@@awebuser5914 I never said it will make you a better scientist, or that I’m a better physicist than others because I’ve used psychedelics, but I believe it made me a better physicist than I would’ve been otherwise. Sure, it might be confirmation bias in some cases, but even that still gives me more motivation to learn even more. And it also allows me to think about things differently and more creatively than when I’m sober, which sometimes is beneficial and sometimes not.
New studies are also showing that psychedelics possibly open up critical periods of learning things and reworking how you think, and it’s showing positive clinical results from people who suffers from PTSD and depression or anxiety. It honestly doesn’t really matter if you find
@@miselfis I mean psychedelics have and will obviously continue to make people better scientists, you don't need to sugarcoat it. This other commenter's "all or nothing" fallacy literally just dismantles itself anyways. It's one of the most classic and hard-to-hide fallacies of all time. But what I'm still trying to decipher is what they even meant here by "confirmation bias". Confirmation bias about what? If psychedelics are perceived to be helpful, they are perceived to be helpful. Simple as that. It doesn't make any sense why someone would boast or even have a bias about something that was a dud. If something perceivably sucks, a normal person is not going to culminate a "bias" favoring it since even they themselves don't believe in it or see its potential.
@@awebuser5914what a gross misunderstanding. Psychedelics literally force you to look at things from different perspectives, so it’s entirely possible that they have helped this person in this manner.
@@bufo7120 It's called apologetics and Christians are also very practiced in it. IE: defend what is basically undefendable with pointless, impossible to prove, babbling.
It's so great we can talk on this subject logically today. Still a LONG way to go, but this helps! Anyone interested in more on this subject should check out "How to Change Your Mind" by Michael Pollan!
Neil, you really should give it a shot some day because I think your experience and your way with words would demystify it for many people AND given the harm is a lot less than people originally thought, it would be amazing to see your response to the experience
Chuck has done an amazing amount of prep for this episode. Good on you, Chuck!
I think he is amazingly smart and clever and yet hides it at times, but ultimately he is brilliant, with or without extra study, and he can't hide that completely. Humor demands quite a creative bright mind and Chuck has that. He makes the video fun, and helps us feel like we might be able to understand these deep concepts. The two of them, together? Magic!
Note Chuck's turning the chessboard concept. Brilliant.
Yes, I've always wanted to know Neil and Chucks opinions on psychedelics. Rick Doblin is awesome.
Shine on you crazy diamond.🎵🎶🎼🪟 Not sure if you'll "get" the" window pane" emoji reference or not. Not to be mistaken for the prism, my Floyd fan.😄
@nikslived-114 ohh yes, I do. Indeed, I have plenty of "window panes" for whenever I need to shatter my ego
@nikslived-114 I'll see you at the great gig in the sky my brother 🙏
@@nikslived-114Wasn’t LSD put onto small, clear, chewable squares in the 1970s called “windowpane”??
What Dr. Doblin said in the beginning about what drug laws are for was spot on. And I'm happy to hear the truth of it platformed on one of the greatest pop-sci shows on UA-cam 💪🏻
Yeah, the hallucinogenic and perception altering substances are safe to use when you need to build a straight railway...
I saw Dr. Doblin speak in Telluride I think it was 2001.
To respond to Mr. Tyson's question about claims that some of these substances can effect your objective perception of reality, I have experienced things under edibles (which are legal in Seattle, where I reside) that are part of objective reality I never noticed otherwise. A very simplistic example. A song I've heard hundreds, if not thousands of times, I realized while under the influence of the edible that the beginning of the song had a part that exists later in the song, but in reverse. Now, that's an objective thing which I verified later when I was no longer under the influence. I've had several experiences like this happen where I just realize something that I wouldn't have otherwise. A simplistic way of describing how I feel in that state of mind is that my perception of time has slowed down, almost like I'm more aware of the inputs that my senses detect at a conscious level. The statement Mr. Doblin said about it "removing filters" is almost exactly how I perceive those situations. It is like I have more awareness of the data of objective reality. It isn't like my senses are sensing more, but I'm more consciously aware of what I sense.
“One person’s craziness is another person’s reality.”- Tim Bunton
I choose Neil for the perfect candidate for an experience. Seriously.
Me to.Maybe he can figure out some serious stuff on a 2.5 gr Golden Teacher trip..
Everytime I do mushrooms, I end up completly breaking down and crying about the horrible childhood trauma I delt with and the fact that I missed out on spending time with my grandparents because of having to escape the wrath and ridiculousness of my parents. (I was adopted.) I feel so incredibly guilty, but I realize I shouldn't. I've carried it with me for years and years. (I'm almost 40.)
Even though it's rough, every experience I have is one step closer to coming to terms that it was not all my fault and I had to do what I could to survive.
As a surviver of narcissistic abuse, you MUST suffer before you can heal. Without psycodelics, I would still blame myself and still continue to have complex PTSD symptoms. I am so much better now. Not all the way better, but the daily breakdowns have stopped and I can move forward.
Psychadelics definitely gave me a new perspective on life. I'm not saying they were the panacea of all my issues, but they helped me see things in a new way, which gave me the confidence to really go ahead and start to make positive changes.
Rick calls you out Neil!! As a scientist, you have a duty to see if this is helpful to you. Loved seeing you agree to that...and look forward hearing about your first experience.
I loved this episode. Everyone's intelligence was on display here. We are all looking for the same thing. Thank you!
Doing LSD & watching the cosmos with Neil is what made me fall in love with science & space. LSD is directly responsible for my interest & love of those topics. It changed my thinking & made me more empathetic. So, I have to thank psychedelics for my biggest two interests in life now - almost 6ish years after my first “journey”
Much love, but have you made any accomplishments from your love of the final frontier?
The vast majority of people can "fall in love with the cosmos" with resorting to mind-altering drugs. You're making a false equivalency here and trying to justify a behaviour that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at-hand.
You take drugs, good for you, but don't rationalize it with idiotic confirmation bias that it's the drugs that "opened up" your mind to *reality* (assuming you actuality know what that is...)
@@awebuser5914bro I’m convinced there’s a new species of human that’s been born that literally just spends 90% of their energy debunking and being a smartass to everyone online
@@awebuser5914like bro really decided to take a wholesome comment even if disagreeing and started to try n bring the commenter down go touch grass maybe you need some LSD too
@@aizensouske6440 "wholesome comment..." LOL! It's some idiot projecting the need to justify his drug use under the guise that it somehow makes him more receptive to knowledge. Pro tip, you don't need drugs to do that, only the weak-minded would suggest that...
Wow, packed a lot of info on this one too. Great episode as always. Dr. Doblin should be invited again whenever possible , want to hear more about his studies.
I agree,@johnyepthomi892. Dr Rick Doblin is so articulate and an expert about what psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy is and how it works. I’d love to hear more from him, in discussion with Dr Neil and Lord Nice.
Never clicked on a podcast this fast in my life!! Was waiting for this!
How bad was it? Neil doesn't have any business making money from psychedelics (even by proxy) so he can stay relevant among actual humans.
@shpongled587 Neil is not “making money from psychedelics”. Psychedelic assisted psychotherapy
is a very relevant subject to explore on StarTalk. It can be very helpful for many people with PTSD and It was a great episode. Dr. Rick Doblin is the consummate expert in the field and has done so much to help destigmatize the use of psychedelics in psychotherapy. He’s also worked with the FDA to help shepherd clinical trials through so that these therapies can be legal.
Kills me when people that have 0 experience with psychedelics want to talk about them
I’m glad you mentioned the part about the MDMA experience being about the therapy and not the drug. I tried it once and it was not instant empathy or ecstasy. I was with people that I didn’t know or like and it ended up not being a good time at all. I always wondered if it was just my own strange brain chemistry that resulted in this.
Mdma is a serotonin releaser (and much more). If you are serotonin depleted, it wont do much for you. And it wont remove or inhibit other neurotransmitters. And every brain is different, so the same substance will have different effects in different people.
Thats why drug users say "set and setting" is so important. Depending on the context a certain substance can enhance the experience or ruin it. And also cause varying risks and damages.
That sounds like a dosage problem. I agree that MDMA isn't implicitly therapeutic or even empathetic and that in these contexts, it's more about the therapy than the drug itself. However... it most definitely should result in "ecstasy" or some very pleasurable and hedonic positive mood change, and in a pretty overt or dramatic way at that. Being around people 'you don't know' is definitely almost never perceived as a "barrier"when actually rolling on real MDMA. The whole thing about it is that you should be able to initiate and hold conversations with people you don't know at all and yet be able to talk to them like you've known them for years when on MD. It sounds like you only took 100mg or something. Need to take 200mg for a fully-fledged MDMA roll. All those online dosage calculators and whatnot are nonsense and people for at least 5 or 6 years now have been really leaning into this idea of only taking 100 or so milligrams of MDMA, but that's an extremely new attitude and strategy and is not efficacious.
I suffer from serious mental health problems. It's manageable, and in my life I have learned to live with it and to find contentment and peace in small doses. I have often looked on with envy at those who have the ability to try these drugs. I don't think I will ever be in a position to try any of these, but I must say it will be something on my bucket list that I can't see how I can cross off. I can at least learn some, even if I won't ever be around this to experience it for myself.
What are the issues? Extreme physical responses from benign stimulus (harmless verbal interractions) and my programming kicks in and my body just launches in to this animation which resembles that of someone who has been badly abused by whoever it is I am reacting to. Even my wife, who is a sweet saint of a human, can trigger this response. It is so frustrating in my daily life. I am making progress in therapy, but damnit I am so envious of those who have these options available to them. I'm glad people can benefit from this, I just wish I could be one of them. This is a brutal life...
i've had some really bad experiences on so called acid..
and mushrooms..
one of the things that made me nervous about trying a tab is you don't know what's in it..
let's hope they don't start putting in fentanyl..
legalize it
Dr. Tyson, I really think that being under the influence of psychedelics can help with understanding objective reality. I know it won't make you try any substance but for me it was really helpful when trying to understand and "see in my mind's eye" concepts like spacetime curvature and waves in general.
However, I do agree that most times people don't want to talk seriously about things and we get to things like "can beer laugh".
So, maybe we should put all the people behind quantum physics in a lab for a day and give them some psychedelics and have them think about what the true nature of reality is.. 😂
I completely agree , yea it’s me and maybe not everyone but when I watch videos I normally can’t comprehend on psychedelics I completely grasp it and can even explain it back to someone I’m my own words
FRANCIS CRICK, the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced the double-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.
"Dr. Tyson, bro, please, just take one hit of this..."
This is such an eye opener for me, a lot of things make sense for me now and im disappointed that these kind of conversations have not made in the “main stream”. More people should be able to access to these types of conversations from well respected peers
Nice to see Rick on Star Talk. Some of my friends have volunteered with MAPS here in Canada.
The first time i did a little bit of magic mushrooms i noticed that i obsessively counted everything and decided to stop. Im now more mindful of those obsessive processes in my mind. I also felt the profound possibility that i coild find a partner for the first time. No comparison to decades of empty words; seeing it and feeling it deeply is believing.
This was a very good discussion. I have Multiple Sclerosis and the early onset of Dimintia. I recently read an article about Dimintia treatment with MDMA. I'm 51 and have had a great life. The last five years has seen me needing to use a wheelchair for mobility and not being able to remember anyone's damn name.
With that said, I'm not mad about it. It's simply my next chapter in life. I was very excited to read the articles I saw a few days ago, until I realized that we are a long ways away from anything like this being avaliable to a guy living on a disability check and Medicare.
My hopes are that future generations can benefit from the gentleman's studies that you guys talked about. Thank you gentlemen for another great video.
I had so many questions answered and so many questions formed simultaneously this episode, we need a part 2!!
Just do some mushrooms. :)
I was very skeptical about how this will go, I’m surprise how informative this episode turned out
Thank you for bringing us this, these topics deserve a lot more discussion and exposition
We recently legalized shrooms and DMT in Colorado. Just the idea of not arresting and imprisoning people for these substances is huge, but there's evidence that shrooms can prevent hard drug, alcohol, and tobacco addiction. Add that to treating Depression and PTSD, we're actually removing the factors that could lead to homelessness and incarceration.
Loved the informative provided in this video. Mixed with playfulness and laughter. This on a personal level helps me be more open minded to listen and enjoy learning so much more than my early years in school😂 I feel like if Neil and chuck where my educators I’m might have done much better and actually looked forward to going to school every single day! Thank you for all of your time and information provided in these videos 🙏🏾
I am truly glad there are real conversations and studies into these types of previously stigmatized topics.
Being a lifelong CPTSD, anxiety and depression sufferer I have wanted to try psilocybin to see if it can snap me out of it. I am so angry that I can’t use my health insurance to try it. I can’t even get a prescription for THC as there are no doctors in my practice that allows the use of it. I have found a private practitioner but I’ve been saving for 4 months to come up with the fee. I’m really sick of the healthcare options in this country.
I’ve had lifelong cptsd and I tried micro dosing and full blown trips. They don’t “snap you out of it” but they are way better mood enhancers and in my personal experience they slow down your thinking so you can be more logical. You’ll feel better on the high but eventually the “demons” as I call them will cycle back and you’ll need other positive coping skills alongside the drugs. But I think psilocybin and THC are better than anything the doctor will give you. No side effects and the effect is immediate.
I agree. I really didn’t expect an instant cure. I am frustrated by the lack of options to try. There is no difference in the chances, but the pharmaceutical and insurance companies are the only reason I don’t have choices. I’ve been on the same medication for 20+ years and every foray into something else have been hallucinagenic at best, and a trip to the suicide fast lane at worse. I have been in therapy for years. Even they know I can only get so far in coping skills and tools. The other options I’m looking for actually have a possibility of rebuilding neuropathways. That to me would make it worth trying.
Don't go to your mainstream doctor, they won't have these tools for another decade, and you're subjected to their personal, arbitrary, non-scientific biases. Developing medicine is science, practicing medicine is art.
Over 10 years ago I went to a naturopath for the THC prescription, paid $200. Now it's recreational and accessible in my state. THC is not nearly as therapeutic as mushrooms. It just helps put an especially perceptive/introspective framing around the real therapy.
With mushrooms, if you want to try therapy, it'll have to be a little more self guided for the next few years. I made sure to try a tiny bit with very good friends at my side, it went well. Then when I was alone, when I trusted it, when I felt good and ready, only then was it actually beneficial. The best thing about it is that it has very little potential for abuse, much less so than THC or alcohol. Increasing dose has no additional productive effects, in fact there is an optimal dose; for me it is 1 gram. There are no cravings. I try to get around to it about once a month, if I'm feeling it.
I've learned that going into a trip with intentions is most important. Going into your trips think of all the therapy skills you've learned.
The parallelism between a telescope and substances gave me goosebumps 0:24:37
I had ptsd. Psilocybin helped me through it but it was something in my soul explaining these feelings. It’s very hard to describe. Helped me tremendously. ❤
Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression,I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here
Loved this.I battle from depression, anxiety &C-PTSD,I've heard shrooms cured depression. Wish doctors were more open to natural medicines over big pharma but we know why
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Got psychedelics
I had a moment on my first mushroom trip where I was lying in bed and lost total connection to my physical body.I felt as I was just a dot of energy on my pillow such a crazy feeling and made me smile, really realized that we are really nothing but energy and had an overwhelming feeling from that trip
One of my best experience in my life was doing LSD and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works,it was amazing and I got an A in college class of comparative religion
@@avajohnson2636 where to search?
Is it IG
Wow!! Bravo the etiquette in this episode is refreshing among the science of psychedelic. Its really nice to see serious questions being taken seriously and the joke taken with a gain a salt sorry love ya Chuck❤😂 great episode!! We need more!
And Neillllll... you got a "scientific" study date you cant pass up!😂😂 a nice fun trip with some nice fun-ky music ( funkadelic's not just knee deep)😉 you're welcome😂❤
I would never watch a video on this but this was really informative. Great show!
guys, I just began watching your content and this show is incredible. Neil and Chuck you two are very entertaining but even more so very informative and watching your addiction podcast and this one as well, especially for me as a23 year long addict of opiates has been very eye opening and I thought I knew it all. you guys rock for real thanks for your efforts truly!
I have a family member who is severely schizophrenic. The description the doctor provides regarding MDMA at 38:45 with ‘semantic priming’ sounds like an on point description of him.
This was one of the most enlightening episodes for me.
I'm too high to hear Neil talk about Psychedelics 😂
He is the best
Very grateful for this video and the amount of insight! Feel like it got wrapped just as we were getting into the point of objective reality tho (the question in the thumbnail is what brought me to watch), would absolutely love a part two (could listen to hoursss of these kinda of discussions tbh lol) if possible!
Also wish the guest wasnt interrupted so much, and really wish there was less bias, still a great discussion and manyy important points brought up, too many to list! Thank you for sharing this with us ❤
Great episode!!! I've learned a lot. Thanks to all of you.
Neil, you answered your own question in the asking. How do you know that the changes felt under these conditions are not more "tools to extend the reach or completely invent a new sense we didnt have senses to notice?" They didnt build telescopes after living their life in a 5'x5' room. They first needed to see far away things to know they needed farther sight to study and classify those far away things they saw.
And I didnt know why I liked Sagan so much either!
Looking forward to this trip
Oh already know this is going to be a incredible episode.
I was not expecting this from your forum. Great show enjoyed watching and learning from your guest. I have read and watched a lot of different things about this topic. You guys brought it to the forefront and understandable to the community. Thank you!
To Neil’s point. Before taking Ayahuasca, I was granted a patent every few years. After, I was being granted about six a year. I speculate that there were two effects that were key. First, like most people, I seem to ‘scan’ my mind for ideas and the increased creativity brought on by my experience, widened the options from which I could scan. The second effect had to do with a reduced ego. This made me less sure of my initial ideas and made it easier to question myself so I went down fewer blind alleys.
Neil you should take a Psychedelic and talk to us about your favorite subject
neil, i know you probably wont read this, but on the off chance you do I just want to say thank you. you have not only inspired me in my day to day life, but also have brought me out of many ruts in tough times. As someone who respects you immensely, I believe you cannot truly understand this subject without experimentation. If it does not go your way, know it will be over soon, but on the off chance that you realize something about yourself or about the world I think you will see what the public is talking about. You have taught me in the past that it is ok to admit fault, its your turn now!
Great conversation, very informative, and Rick does an eloquent job of explaining it well. Chuck is hilarious 😂. And he also makes great points. His name should be part of the title after Neil's name because he's a great part of the show.
They definitely help with depression! 💙
except they don't, they just mask it and help you "escape" it, but you never overcome the problem, you become dependent
@@capybaraponque611 do some research into how they work. That's not what happens. 💙
@@7-ten there's plenty of research, and I'm strong enough to not have to turn to those cowardly methods
@@capybaraponque611 😂 😂 okay buddy.
@@capybaraponque611 🤡
Ketamine IV therapy has helped so many people who are resistant to traditional oral medications for depression, PTSD & anxiety. Way to go Neil!!
The question is how many has it helped, how many has it harmed, and for how many has there been no effect. These are the questions everyone should ask before putting it in their bodies.
@@soulscanner66Can confirm here, its not for me. I guess I took too many psilocybin truffles and had a horrible time, making my mental health a lot worse which lasted for a year or 2 before I finally got over that experience completely.
My mind can't handle the experience of not being able to trust your own senses and feeling that I'm not in control.
Definitely changed my outlook on life but not so much in a positive way, personally.
I like being sober I guess, except for the occasional beer and maybe a joint.
The microdoses they give for therapy are not the same as self medication, so it comes down to how much you trust the therapist. In anycase, research is good and I hope they find out more about when it helps and when it doesn't, like any other medication. @@rafox66
Wow great guest. Love the way he explains. ❤
Thank you! for startalk.
Great episode. Thank you guys. I love how Chuck speaks as an expert on the panel here tonight as opposed to being Neil’s comedic foil. 😂
You are not giving Chuck enough credit. That guy is either very bright or does his research very well before every episode I’ve seen him in.
I love Chuck. His role in Star Talk gnerally speaking is to play the "common man" who is tuning in to learn from Neil. However, in this episode, it's different in that they are more on par with each other as opposed to one being the teacher and the other being the student. That's all I was saying and I got a real kick out of it.@@markjohnson4388
In 1964 my mother, who was the director of nursing at a large hospital Norristown PA, outside of Philly told me of LSD. Her friends, a couple of psychiatrists had an autistic son. They were taking pure LSD in sessions to communicate with the boy. Her description, and later when I spoke with them, made it seem nothing like my experiences 5 years later. I was given a tiny pill, LSD, bad trip but as far as visual hallucinations beyond reality. At the same time we had a group trip with mescaline in powder form. Almost lucid group dreaming was our goal, and it occurred. Later I participated in a peyote ceremony. Once you are done vomiting, it is a revelation. Legal drugs given to me by prescription have done me far more much harm. They also have been far more addicting.
To all involved with this video from the narrator and writers and the artists and videographer and all the scientist , fantastic job well done making a the subject matter easy to comprehend and enjoyable. The voice of the narrator keeping me interested. Surely this won awards and deservedly so.
I think that the understanding towards the objective reality mostly depends on the subjective knowledge of the person doing psychedelic. Like the molecules danced for Kary Mullis, Steve Jobs had innovative ideas, people with trauma have realizations and a religious person felt more connected to his roots ~ all these examples in some ways are like a mirror reflecting the inner subjective understanding of the individual consuming psychedelic and shining it out in the objective world, where that knowledge can manifest in various ways. Ranging from an invention (which helps the objective reality for it's function) to an innovative idea (which may help people work under an innovative idea i.e. provided jobs eventually helping objective reality) and even inner working (when performed therapeutically will help the surrounding people in some ways) though no one can deny adverse outcomes can also happen especially with false & deluded subjective understanding of the objective reality... And that's just how I feel and I could be wrong too...Probably
And psychedelics which might make us feel connected to a larger reality might help few people to develop an accepting nature towards expansive objective realities more readily i.e. HUMBLED... I guess.
In my personal experience psychedelics have made a tremendously positive impact on my mental health and overall spiritual Outlook😊
We need more of these type of episodes
I would enjoy a special of just questions Chuck has. I think he would make comedic gold having his questions answered and his mind blown.
It's a shame that you just can't really make someone understand the benefits of psychedelic experiences if they never experienced anything like it.
Surprisingly, through 34 years of restlessly (re)searching, without resorting to any mind altering substances I have managed to come to the same conclusion suggested here. Neuronal integration is key to recovery from PTSD. CHEERS and have a Merry Christmas one and all.
Firstly very informative and engaging. And really who better than NDT to experience it. You already have so much knowledge and you are one of the smartest persons. This experience I feel would bring exponential value to yourself and what you have to offer to the world in 'objective reality'. Good luck
Great show today. Thank you!
A thought experiment I thought up to explain reality to my partner:
Imagine a park with a trail running through it. Now imagine you are walking through it, what do you see? Flowers, teenagers, birds, grass, trees, bees, a river, etc. it doesn’t really matter what you would fill it with, just that you fill it with a stuff you would associate with a park. Next either ask someone what they would expect in such a park or imagine what someone other than you would notice in that park.
Some people might notice the sound of buzzing, but assume the source was a bee… and jump away from the perceived bee. While others might look for the source of the sound and find a couple of flies buzzing around the trash bin. These two people create different physical realities as they react to their own inner mental realities and expectations. Some people might notice the people walking about a park as people, others as vague presences. Some might only notice the flowers and others only the buzzing… and while they would share the physical reality, only one of them might have bees in their bubble of reality.
One last question to consider about this hypothetical park:
For whom does the squirrel exist?
Really love StarTalk. This was fascinating. Dr. Tyson is brilliant, but at times seems to have an infinite brain, but a finite mind. If he can’t reduce something to A + B = C he seems to discredit it (not always and no criticism intended). My greatest fear is at some point we will get to the theory of everything and the first group to want to take advantage of this is the military industrial complex. Build us a Quantum Bomb that will reduce everything in a defined range to its quantum state.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'd like to share my experience of one-month psilocybin mushrooms microdosing. Amazing. I couldn't have got rid of my depression without it. A great boost in mood, focus, motivation and creativity
thanks guys. Chucks reaction to Carl Sagan smoking doobies was wonderful.
psilocybin- Since I learned to fly, I no longer can find the box I was thinking out of.
I think neil is close minded about this and its fine of course. But it will prevent him from learning more.
Thank you SO much for this discussion!❤
The reality is that psychedelics don't actually unlock a deeper truth, but they certainly can make you feel as though they do.
Wait Neil finally tried psychedelics???
Nah he'd be a much more open minded scientist if he would have
because you need drugs to be open minded😂
neil should try it i did at like 15
@@saiyanc137psychedelics literally open the mind.
@@saiyanc137 Need and “need”. Nah you don’t need anything.
However psychedelics like old human civilizations have used for 1000s of years or more modern like LSD - have something to offer and something to teach us.
Especially if you are a thinker, philosopher or someone like Neil.
Do it once or why should we even listen to your opinion about it. Yes we could to an extent but yeah…
I had a bad acid trip and started getting panic attacks weeks later. I've since been diagnosed with anxiety. I didn't know i had it. I don't regret it though because although it was the scariest thing i experienced, it was also the most beautiful and profound.
Fascinating discussion. Thanks for the upload
It's worth noting that psychotropics can induce psychosis and antidepressants can cause suicidal thoughts.
Medicines we've used for years to treat Depression, PTSD, and Substance Abuse issues (not to be confused with substance use, which our solutions often cause more mental issues than any helped).
I wish Neil would just do mushrooms and not talk about them until then. He comes off way too judgemental for someone who doesn't know what they do
Hypothesis
I'd definitely be more inclined to lean more toward natural
Because technically,
everything is natural in occurrence,
and we are also a natural phenomenon,
and we naturally pass forward knowledge,
and the things naturally interact with the natural receptors in your natural yet extraordinary brain 🧠
You can't escape nature because it's all pulled through the path of least resistance
Just like poison is naturally poison
And the definitive nature
of nature
is uncertain
However,
it is relative to a point,
and that point would be the one in nature
who also happens to come by or to reconcile nature because we really don't understand what nature is
But to define nature would be the happening or present state that it happens to reveal itself
Obviously, there would be other types of molecules that can interact with each other in your brain
And it's hard to say that it's unnatural if they interact
because who are you or me or anyone to determine how nature should be??
That's the natural order that is the natural reaction to the natural substance
And if it were not natural,
then it wouldn't be in nature and it definitely would not be able to be synthesized from nature or the natural compounds 😂😂
The unnatural does not exist
there is only
what reveals itself
to be real to the subject or observer
Beyond yourself You can't know anything but words. Definitions and memories
Beyond that all we have is understanding
And we really barely have understand because we don't even know who we are or what this consciousness really is. We are all aliens
Terrestrial beings on a Terrestrial planet stuck in an endless paradox from which there is no escape but death or elation and even still is only temporary
The heavens fall and rise like tides in the pitch void
where the only potential is time,
That which is circular both on the scale of infinitely large and infinitely small we are some where in between
The moment flipped 180 ° and then got stood 90° on its head 45° is flux fluid Harmony mythical fountains ⛲️ god is not man or machine
God is a clock grandfather synonymous with creator synonymous with God
Clock = time .. when our will is finished, then we will know his peace and even still your stuck in glue in the center of eternity
because technically, if you have an infinite sum without beginning, then that means anywhere is the center
Of occurrence
and that is prepetual and h!ll is eternal ..
It never ends... everything just goes in larger and larger circles until you wind up were you have always been were else is there you can't have something from nothing with out
either
potential energy
active mode, aka transient or person
So, the force or mass exerted by the potential
Turn into causality because you
Your reality is you it's your expressions and reflection
Time wounds all .. scar tissue..
We all will come to understand God's suffering
because he is all alone in the dark with all this pain 💔
And he's insane Because we are all out of our minds because this is a collective manifestation with out it what is real ??? Nothing and not even nothing can exist without being conceived because it occurs by not actually happening so nothing really is not a thing but can also refer inthe transient or passing sense "something " but it was all just a thought that never occurred so it's a loop
And not always on the same path but is relative to your focus
aka don't follow the leader it is a trap
They are leading you away from yourself by stealing your aspirations
and selling you on material "goods"
Aka materialism is technically Satanism...
Catholicism means to love the all
And that even if you may not care for what they do
or for what they know or think just love their humanity
and if they are violent
then they are monsters
because they are unreasonable which litteraly also means they are insane and also life is just a suicide mission so who are we to judge others by their habits and really what peace what rest what joy has war ever brought and if you say technology it would seem that degeneration would actually sum it up because the technology only currupts the individual
eats their time
Depletes resources and causes wat
Also 9 times out of 10 nullifies any experiences or learning that they could instead be using it for because they are selling preoccupation through apps and interjected intervention in the form of propaganda aka TV adds buy buy buy some things they buy I got me that funny money so I don't need theirs honey it's about the choices we make the memories we cherish and the people we love and the ones that love us there is not need for
hate or division
and both of which is definitely not what I consider to be peaceful or tolerant points of view
But anyhow, great video, guys. awesome 🎉🎉🎉
Alright alright I can dig it. I love your wide variety of topics.
Yea we need more episodes with Rick Doblin!!!!❤❤❤
Cigarettes and Alcohol can be mass produced much easier and at much grander scale than other "drugs".
Naturally you would tax those heavily and make others illegal 😉😉
Not easier
The most abused drugs on the planet are prescription drugs 😮
Man I hate Neil's "comedic" comments on an otherwise serious matter. It comes through as disrespectful to the guest and his subject of study.
I feel like he’s trying to be Joe Rogan but failing
Omg, you and your sensitive little feelings. Just.......shhhhhhhh.
I love watching the expressions Neil is giving - reminds me myself before I had an experience :)