Microsoft Blocks Customization Apps in Windows 11 Version 24H2
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Microsoft Blocks Customization Apps in Windows 11 Version 24H2
Its seems Windows 11 24H2 has a new file called appraiser.sdb that could theoretically block you from getting to Windows 11 version 24H2 upgrade. Its can also cause applications not to work like StartAllBack and ExplorerPatcher and many more.
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I would say that this is a HUGE anti trust and anti competition law suite waiting to happen. Microsoft could be waling on VERY shakey ground.
That was my first thought too.
Especially if they start adding things like, Open Office to the blocked list...
Whose system is it though? We're not talking about applications, as in Open Office. We are talking about the user interface. Perhaps Microsoft think it's theirs anyway, so they should be able to decide how it works. It sucks though. I don't like how the default Win 11 taskbar icons just combine multiple processes. It's nice to be able to turn that off so that you see separate windows.
@@organisten I have never understood the claim that pinned apps and previews make is 'easier to see exactly what's running'. It's also slower than just clicking on the window you want.
@@organistenIt is their OS.They can & do remove whatever they want.
If Microsoft allowed us to have the same configurations for the start menu and taskbar that were available in pre Windows 11 versions, we wouldn't need to use these customisation programs
Microsoft never should have made Windows 8 or 10 or 11. They should have stopped at Windows 7 and just rolled out updates to that. Windows 7 was the best Windows and I was very happy with that. Then Windows 8 came and they got rid of the start menu and everything. I hated the Metro Theme. Then when I heard we were not going to be able to disable automatic updates in Windows 10 that was it for me. I was never going to upgrade to Windows 10 so I stayed on Windows 7 and 8 for as long as I could. Then most of the software did not work anymore because no web browsers were supporting Windows 7 or 8. I installed Linux Mint and have been using it now for two years. I think I did the right thing switching to Linux because I could never get on with Windows 11. I don't even want to use it. I took one look at it when I bought my new laptop that had Windows 11 on there and I hated it. I was glad to uninstall it to get it off of my computer. I installed Linux Mint on that laptop as well.
@@AndreaBorman I installed Win11 on a new mini pc I recently got. While it installed easily because of the new hardware, it's utter garbage. I ended up putting Win10 on it (albeit some driver issues) and Linux. I use Linux more than Windows on it though.
@@AndreaBorman I've been a fan of Windows since Windows 95 but I hated Windows 8. Windows 10 grew on me after I uninstalled the bloatware and disabled all the telemetry. Then I got Windows 11, which is a devil in disguise. That one is blocked from internet access.
fr, the fact that you can't even change the position of the task bar to be at the top or right of the desktop in windows 11 without explorer patcher is nonsense
@@NightcoreClips_ Yep, that got me as well. Using Linux for the last couple of years has spoilt me. Now when I need to use Windows, its getting more and more frustrating.
They need to allow people to set their systems up the way they want, like Win 10 was. It is insane not to do this
who do you think you are ? The owner of the computer ????! ...oh wait yes you are !
@@venix20 You may be the owner of the hardware components of your PC, but not Windows :)
That sounds a lot like Linux. KDE Plasma 6 is way more customizable than Windows will ever be, but you will have to adapt to a new OS if you want to try that. Windows 10 is good, but I want a stable system (fighting with Windows Update is hard).
@@JohnDoe-wl8zk If Microsoft want this level of control then Windows needs to be free. It is not, it is included in the purchase price of your PC or you have to buy a copy if you built your own system. A warning is fine, removing stuff they don't like is not.
While you're at it why don't you expect Joe Biden to grow some competence and be able to locate his own pants zipper by himself to properly prep to urinate. Long story short good luck with that because in more than 22 years do you honestly think micro crap gives a flying crap about what you think and your fourth amendment privacy rights. Get real any PC you boot up into Windows and is connected online for any reasonable amount of time is not your computer
Everyone who hates the systematic removal of classic registry tweaks and customisation features in general for Windows 11 please voice your distain on Microsoft's Feedback Hub. The metrics need to show that their userbase has lost faith the people in charge of delivering the product's functionality and that this should be being handled by people who actually care about what we think of the product.
You do know that they do not even pay any attention to the Feedback Hub at all right and it's a let some steam off venting site.
Sure, but the bottom line is : Who's Microsoft userbase, or rather the "profitable" one ? People ? Hell no ! Businesses. They are the real cashcow.Nothing will change until they stop giving money to MS.
It is worth a try, but they should already know this by looking at the number of win 10 vs win11 users. And they know it, that is the reason why they dare to force paid updates on Win10 users who don't want to switch to Win11.
@@gatorrade1680 Only a few people are going to bite on paid updates and didn't they try this with Windows 7 if I am not mistaken and that failed. I know if I was on 10 and EOL came and I still needed 10 for things it would be in a Virtual Machine afterwards in a Linux Distro in a Container.
@@kevinsteinman8967 Let's hope that only few people bite. I remember paid updates only for enterprise users and that is kind of fair, but not for regular pc users.
Microsoft is also blocking third party apps that simplify the process of setting a browser as your default. They're not blocking users from chaning it manually via the settings just just in the registry and other ways. they claim the software being blocked by a driver that was added back in windows 8 to mitigate a vulnerabilty. pretty sure we will see a noticable decline in market share as well as a lull in people upgrading to windows 11.
I tried Windows 11 before all this and it was tacky. Back to Windows 10...
tacky? Oh as if the win 10 interface doesn't look tacky. win 10 interface looks like it was a collage made by a 6th grader using elmers glue and cheap scissors. @@philipfirks7755
amen!
@@philipfirks7755 Linux is the only option.
Windows 11 is the reason why I finally moved to Linux...
I tried to use Linux, many easy to use distros especially broke constantly on me, so I ended up moving back to Windows. It wasn't so much the setting up/installing the distro that was difficult per say, just something always seemed to fuck up and brick it when trying to further personalize it to my liking. Windows 7 FTW.
somehow it all dawned on you slowly
Windows 7 is the reason why I finally moved to Linux...
Yes I will learn how to use debian from now on. will switch in 1 month.
@@IvanBorzenkov unfortunately back then linux didn't have many viable alternatives to alot of windows based programs, but now I have found equal if not better open source alternatives i've made the leap over to linux :)
@@NightcoreClips_ If you are surely having problems with Linux installations, I would recommend beginning with attempting to install Ubuntu Linux on your system. Ubuntu is the best-maintained and is backed by a corporation named Canonical, which only provides some services but is not dominated by services and perfectly balances the user with profit, never prioritizing either as the company backs open-source most of the time.
It starts with blocking innocent tweaks like this. Then it moves to blocking pretty much everything that’s not in the Microsoft store. If it’s gonna be like this, I might just stay on Windows 10 way after support has ended. Regardless of it being less secure. I’d rather just reformat my system every few years if I get too many viruses then have all of my special games and applications for the blind not work.
Like emulators for instance
@@tobyzilla yeah like emulators. Or software that they don’t recognise such as a lot of software I use. Pirated programs. Basically, any program they don’t like.
@griffster17 first off emulators are legal and 2nd of all I agree a company can't just block you from installing programs from the internet since I believe that is agenst anti trust laws
@@tobyzilla I know that emulators are legal. But a lot of the games for the blind that I play are legal as well. And they are written in a code called BGT. Standing for blast bay game tool kit. Now this is a code specifically written for blind users, And contains no visuals at all. However over the last eight or so years, I’ve actually had to make folder exclusions for the folder where I run these applications. This has not been an issue over the last eight years, as you have the ability to do this. All you have to do is just add an exclusion in Windows defender. And then make that the folder where you run all those games. And as somebody who’s blind, I can’t afford a lot of applications as I’m on a lot less than the minimum wage here. So I do have to pirate things from time to time. I also run a lot of old applications in emulators as you say. And all they need to do, is just decide that we can’t. That’s the scary thing. And I mean: why do they care if we modify windows? It’s not affecting them, we are usually still paying for it.
Windows is getting worse and worse in ways
Not sure what they are playing at
Even XP was better then anything that came after out of it.
@@silentios7336 Very true.
Something new nearly every day and as a 85 year old computer idiot knowing very little what any of it means, being on my computer is getting more stressful and aggravating than useful or fun. New stuff that I have absolutely no idea what it is for or how to install it or use it. I don't even know what this CoPilot thing is. Why make it so complicated? I wish I had never bought this Windows 11 computer, never had this uncertainty and headaches on my old computer with Windows 10.
@@loisaustin6200 There are 3rd party things I've used in the past that remove the junk like CoPilot. Just depending on what it is don't remove too much or you may run into issues down the road. It'll help out a lot overall.
Mostly they go by a title like "Windows 10/11 debloater"
Went to Linux Mint a while back. I decided I'm not going to fight with any software vendor. They can piss off.
I don't quite understand did you end up coming back to Windows because you encountered struggles in Linux trying to get work and what you thought you had to get working or where they're misunderstandings or are you happy and still living happily in the Linux world and you mean you're not going to fight with proprietary software vendors who software doesn't work in the Linux world and you found good enough alternatives
the mint team is a software vendor too yk, they just don't make stupid decisions like microsoft or canonical
@@motoryzen I did the same move to Mint and I am not going back to Win.
Windows only programs that are a must have can be run in Wine, Bottles, Containers or a VM if needed..
@@motoryzen Yes, sir! this is done because i don't agree with microsoft theft policy
That is the way.
'k, so what happens when they start disallowing packages like OpenOffice or other alternatives to M$' stuff?
I can't speak for everyone but it will be Linux for me. Any Windows installation will be in a VM.
@@byronknight4449 Exactly what I'm going to start looking into. At this point, the only reason I have for running Windows is gaming - and even that's starting to wane lately. We'll just have to see how things shake out.
If they start doing that they're no better than Apple in my opinion
@@byronknight4449 Yes, installing in VirtualBox is the way to go with it. You can then switch off its internet access any time you are not intending to go onto the internet.
I certainly would never use Windows for something like banking.
I would hope that it would mean a anti-trust lawsuit from the Government.
They went from "Where do you want to go today?" to "You can't go there today"
It's the reason I am sticking with windows 10. I use open shell start menu as well, as it is faster than the windows 10 menu.
So what happens after you lose support and security updates? Sticking to windows 10 isn't helping anything.
@@Derpingtonshere I hate the look of Windows 11 it looks like a MAC. I am still running windows 97 on my server, and it is still getting updates LOL. My desktop can't run Windows 11 anyway. My laptop can, but I am not touching it with a bargepole.
Yep, me too
OpenShell is good!
@@Derpingtonshere openshell formally classicshell has been around since 2009, ep is only around 3 years old from what i can tell. Not saying they wont target it but seems they would have by now.
Hopefully some modder gets a fix for this. That's the whole point of preview versions..
that is ghetto though that a user has to keep looking for fixes. not ideal.
@@Ralphunreal I don't like bloatware.
Yes, On my work machine I run Win-10 with one of the "classic shell" things.
I think the machine is locked against the installation of Win-11 but that will only keep my machine usable for a while.
This doesn't apply to my home machine because I upgraded to Linux Mint on it.
I installed Blend OS on my 2TB external SSD drive
@@mbob-cm7cx I have a Linux Mint on a 1TB external hard drive. It works quite well. I have run it on a laptop and a desktop so the same "computer" used two different sets of hardware.
This is why I built a new Linux PC after drifting away from it for a few years. Linux Mint works even better than I remembered. I am still on Windows10 and have no intention of installing windows11 ever. I am hoping sites like CDC Key will carry global keys for the windows10 security updates once Win10 go's EOL. I have never had Linux BSOD on me... I can't think of a better way for Windows to drive people to Linux.
And you are no different than the person who calls into the Dave Ramsey show or Ramsey Solutions show claiming that they're following the baby steps yet and investing in a Roth IRA yet choosing to keep credit card debt every single month and never pay it off never learning from their mistakes basically half-assing it
Microsoft is very good at promoting Linux.
This will make people block updates and that can lead to vulnerabilities in Microsofts devices like there wasn't vulnerabilities already.💯
The Windows update engine lives inside the windows kernel in which no one but Microsoft operating system software developers have editing access to. So you're not blocking Jack crap you may can postpone it but in the end you're not blocking anything. The only way you can combat my statement is if that computer never touches an internet connection ever again for a long enough period of time
@@motoryzen Linux does not update without your knowledge. That was enough for me to switch. No more AMD driver problems after that.
@@motoryzen On Win 10 I've been using Winaero Tweaker for years and it's been blocking them the entire time. Once in a while I have to de-activate it to install something from the Microsoft Store and that's when the updates slip through.
I can’t get updates from windows anyway after my last update
@@motoryzen If you install a deprecated version like win 10 20h2 or 21h1 you will not receive updates xD
Seems like Windows is starting to look more like Malware than an OS.
My Steam game collection finally hit critical mass last month so i moved completely to Linux Mint.
Farewell Windows... you died many years ago. 🙃
I would say welcome to the dark side but honestly welcome to the light side. You are free.
How easy is it to install? What big things will I miss switching over?
Yep I switched to Linux almost a year ago, Arch Linux, I do have some issues with games that use anticheat, those are the only games I have to fire up windows again to play..which is frustrating.
@@bananajoe9951 Buy cheapo computer to find out the issues.
@@bananajoe9951 You will miss absolutely nothing if you are using your computer for everyday stuff and for general use. The only reason someone is sticking with Windows OS is because Window's specific software or game, not because the OS itself. The best thing to do is just to go and install Linux Mint or Linux MX on a second device and just see for yourself. It's easy and you will be surprised how much quick and responsive will become any older computer in particular.
They can keep 24H4. I'll just keep using what I have, Windows 11 without Cortana and Edge. Heck I'm only using Windows for gaming, nothing else. I use Linux Mint 21.2 Xfce edition as my daily drive for emails, UA-cam, video rendering etc. I went out and bought all the parts I needed to build a gaming machine. Stuck Windows 10 on it, then upgraded to Windows 11. Got a majority of the telemetry to shut up. Bought brand new PC parts for my Linux only PC, which is up the road being built by matey up the shop. My eyesight has worsened, cannot see the intricate workings of PC parts anymore. Whatever you do in life? Don't get old if you can help it? Stay young. Gravity gets us all in the end though.
im planning a dual boot for my next pc when get round to building it, Currently working on a desk for a full setup change. Haven't really spent much time in Linux distros but spend alot of time in linux terminals for work. Will be an experience and plenty time to look around at the distros.
I can see this heading towards if it isn't in the Microsoft store, you ain't having it and that sucks. 👎
Its not looking good.
That was my initial thought..
The problem then is the only windows programs I use are (probably) not in the microsoft store. Things like dyno software solidworks and engine blueprinting sofware are all I would ever use windows for. No I don't own solidworks yet. Frankly if I could move everthing I would, I already don't allow windows machines to be on the internet.
they did this with windows in s mode back on windows 8
@@Britec09 Perhaps Microsoft instead of calling it's next OS Windows 12, should call it "Windows Titanic"?
Ya windows 11 might be my last time on windows. I'll move to a Linux distro in the future.
Welcome to Zorin OS
Or welcome to Linux Mint or Linux Mint Debian Edition
Or Kubuntu or any other distro that is considered user friendly. KDE Plasma, XFCE and Cinnamon are all great.
@@PolarCheeseYes Windows like only. Gnome is good too 😅 It's the first i recommend not because of Apple like but because it's really easy and great to use everyday. KDE in second because of its power (KDE 6❤) Cinnamon...well...but no...xfce is good for a potato pc not for productivity.
Linux Mint
MX Linux
Tuxedo OS
My top picks and not necessarily in that order.
So Windows is taking the badge as malware to 100%.. Nice 🎉
An evil company. Do not thinking in the user anymore
Does Microsoft even want people to keep Windows?
Not really, their primary source of income is azure and office 365.
I don't know but as a 15 year old who doesn't have any form of PC yet seeing all these complaints makes me think that I'm never going to use windows again and, I never want to and instead, I want to go all into the Linux ecosystem when I get a PC because Microsoft is an anti-consumer company and I will not use their products accept co-pilot as long as I live !
@@hunterleach5710Go for it, kid. You'll actually learn something. All these apps Britec talks about make life on Windows bearable. If those go, I'll have to go. I've been using Windows since 1997. I'm telling you, I really don't want to move to any Linux distro. You wouldn't believe how little patience with newbies Linux people have. 😢
Yet one more reason to stay on Windows 10 for now.
Or go Linux. I'm liking LMDE6. They were quick to give me an update on the recently mentioned (on this channel) problem.
@@Pahrump Gaming sucks on Linux so it's not for me.
@@JohnDoe-wl8zk This is a myth. 80% of my steam library works just fine on linux with minor tweaking. If you can edit an ini file or w/e you can game on Linux.
@@JohnDoe-wl8zk It is not that bad. You might be in trouble with games that have anticheats which haven't been configured to allow Linux though.
w10 is bad to be fair. windows 7 was the last good one.
Unacceptable,very straight stupid this. As a customer I need my freedom to do what I want with my system.
The System belongs to MS, they are the ones that own it. You own the hardware and are free to put another OS on it.
Sounds like Linux is for you! 👍
more people are going to start using Linux, I recommend Linux Mint
How is it for gaming ? Mainly Steam.
@@gcmanuel85x I have seen reports of it being fine.
I can see the headlines now!
"The end of the line for MS Windows. Microsofts Windows 11 Market Share for Operating Systems took a nose dive today after millions of users around the world woke up to find Microsoft had stoped hundreds of Windows designed programms from working on their newley released Windows 24H2. Analcysts say "Billions will continue to Use Windws 10 even though it is no longer supported with many more switching to Linux. We don't expect Microsoft being in business come 2025. ".
I don’t think so, most people just don’t care…😢
They make more money from other ventures these days than an OS. Should tell you where they're priorities lie.
@@peterschmidt9942Exactly. They stopped caring a long time ago. Wouldn't be surprised if they start dustributing Windows as a cloud-based service.
@@joeschmoe3815 I have no doubt that will be on the cards in some form or another. Probably why they're stripping back features and want you constantly connected to the internet.
In some respects I don't find a cloud based Windows a bad idea. As I predominantly use Linux, having a VM of Windows is perfect for most things I want to do in Windows only. Except I find interaction between VM and real hardware the problem.
Another reason to not use Windows 11.
Use Linux Mint instead. I stopped using Microsoft 20÷ years ago. SO glad I did!
I use Arch btw
You dont obviously game any do ya ?
@@gcmanuel85x playing cyberpunk btw
@@gcmanuel85xYou can pretty much play anything that doesn't use deeply integrated anti-cheat. And that's not Linux' fault anyway.
@@joeschmoe3815 There still isn't enough support from the developers' side. And that's a harsh truth, cause I really do want to move to Linux. Not just with games, but a LOT of software, drivers, plugins, etc.
If Microsoft actually got an competitor, this would never happen.
Linux really is a competitor. MS has been able to use FUD and other methods to keep people away from it.
MacOS, ChrimeOS and Linux
@@kensmith5694 Linux aint shit compaired to windows. Linux is trash but good for the person who wants total privacy
@@onatics The only place where Windows has a advantage is gaming. For everything else it is hot garbage.
Similar issue happened before to me but happened after a previous update with one of these start menu customizers for Windows 11. Doesn’t just affect 24H2.
I’ve even had Ubuntu Cinnamon break after installing a 3rd party theme. Worked fine for a bit with it installed, got an update and let it go through. Again, encountered similar issue after the update.
It's like the updates don’t like the deeper system changes, expecting the default setup. I don't think it's that much of a conspiracy, but instead more of a compatibility issue with the updates.
OMG! A Linux user ADMITS IN PUBLIC that Linux can BREAK. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
yea 22h2 broke everything for me, to the point of system freeze
@@screenplayhouse4932 yes, Linux does break sometimes. Just like any other software and OS. Those comments are just written by unreasonable newbies.
This can be avoided by purchasing a pro key and accessing the registry keys folder to prevent updates not involving security correct?
You released a video on that covering Windows 10 and 11 on how to stop updates say past 20H2 or whatever version people prefer.
And you were yet another complacent ignoramus who refuses to see the the water for the ocean. No you don't reward bad behavior by sending money to the company who is responsible for causing the problems to begin with.
Everyone thinks they're a leet haxor computer genius because they're subscribed to LTT or something.
Comment sections like this demonstrate that their grandmas have more insight into Windows configuration than they do.
Say goodbye to any apps not found in the Windows store.
Switch to Linux Mint. You can put Windows on a virtual machine to use it when you need it.
@@kensmith5694 Already there. Dual booting for now, but I actually like Linux better.
@@erikferguson71 I dual boot also, Microsoft lose customers by doing these changes
@@kensmith5694 Exactly what I do....I have all my office apps and adobe there and even play steam games lol
@@VirtutisTipheret any negative performance impact that's noticeable? Are you running WINE or something? Used ubuntu and mint before years ago, but not for gaming, and never tried my adobe apps.
Windows 10 and 11 start menu is not friendly compared to windows 7
Linux is looking better every day!
It is looking better, but Gnome and Pantheon are also zealous when it comes to customization. Use Plasma or any other DE/WM for customization.
@basilcat3111 Gnome has a lot of stuff to customize and you can do all you want if you know how to do but with extension only. KDE is good but it's really messy even in kde 6. I like KDE 6 but Gnome is better to me.
That file is present on windows 10 since 19h1 which contains latest compatibility and workaround patches that is applied to offline OS image serviced via dism. Explorer patch worked well with initial w11 and with later version there is some side effects such as missing shell icons, missing texts etc then i switched to default inferior start menu. That appraiser file has whitelisted and blacklisted rules. It's monthly updated via CU.
Windows is getting more annoying and so far it hasn't happened on my laptop but if it does happen I might consider installing Linux and removing windows from the laptop. I think this behaviour from Microsoft will lead some to Linux.
Linux Mint cinnamon will easily be your most gentle transition away from windows. Just don't install it into the same drive that Windows already lives in if you need a very transitional baby steps path, which there is nothing wrong with and I highly recommend that anyways. As a dual boot system in which Microsoft's updates have the least amount of chance of corrupting the Linux world's grub and other booting involved features and files
Be a Chad and do it!!!!
No seriously, do it but see if there are working replacements for software that you cannot live without first.
@@joeschmoe3815 Be a Chad? wtf. lol
Everybody in America start a case with FTC against Microsoft. For people like Britec in England, and those in your respective countries being the hammer down
something needs to be done
Surely this wouldnt ever lead to people foregoing all future updates and having insecure systems! Good job MicroShaft!
Some say this's just happening with the beta/pre-release (prolly to reduce error reports caused by these tools), but in case that MS is indeed blocking 3rd-party customization for good, I'll stick with 23H2. 3rd-party customization is the reason why I considered using Windows 10+ to begin with.
And to those suggesting Linux, I've been using it since the 2000s, and sadly switching for good is not an option yet.
Yeah, can't wait to finish uni so I switch to Arch on my laptop too. My desktop is already running it and it's been so beautiful knowing nobody stops me from running whatever software I want.
Started migrating to Debian yesterday. So far, everything looks good, and my workflow is not hampered. Nowadays, when most software is expansive SaS and Windows is gradually transforming from OS to SOS (spyware operating system) this seems like a logical path.
Yaass! Welcome to Debian, my fellow Bookworm!
@@davidlandry3487 Thank you. Finished migrating. The greatest OS I have ever used (and I had used both Windows and MacOS).
@@BP-Rulesjust remember, Linux actually acknowledges that it IS YOUR COMPUTER. You can do anything you want, that includes breaking things. Absolute freedom. Just be careful in the beginning until you have more knowledge.
I don't mean this in a condescending way. I just read a lot of comments were this actually happened.
Edit: PS: welcome to Linux. I hope you enjoy the ride! 🤙
TranslucentTB is still in the Microsoft Store right now, so that may not be affected. It's possible that the makers of these tweakers may develop versions that can run on 24H2. Very much a case of wait and see I suppose....
Because TranslucentTB isn't virus-like in its operation like StartAllBack and the like.
Wow, Microsoft started forcing users to accept greedily collecting their data.
Also if we look at the Linux community they are separated into different versions and limited apps some of which useful and other junk.
Thanks mate I have no doubt that you are the best content creator on UA-cam talking about our copy of microjunk OS. Keep up👍🏻
Erm, there is masses of highly functional apps in Linux. I run my business on 100% Linux software and I do a vast range of tasks including video editing. There is also vastly more choice in the world of Linux apps so if one tools does not quite work they way you want there is usually a couple more options.
Apple is increasingly "One way to do things and often no way at all"
And Windows is following Apple.
I will grant that if you need specialized tools for work - things like requiring Adobe products or say, super specialized software for oil drilling or pathology - it's Windows or nothing. But that's, like 3% of the world's population.
Well this made it very easy for me to make the switch to the Linux operating system. I am only using windows to game on. And how good the Linux system is getting when it comes to gaming is no point to use the crappy window system. Thank you for the information. Keep up the great work you are doing
Yep am sticking with Windows LTSC
Don't blame you.
You: _yeah i pirate my os_
Also you: _reeeeeeeee ms won't change windows to suit me_
Gee, wonder why.
Oh no. First it was Start All Back now this. I am shocked to hear this. This has to be the thin line in the sand that will make people decide if they want to stay on Windows and put up with all of this. Or leave Windows and switched to Linux. I used to use Windows and used Windows 8. So I did a lot of tweaking myself by adding Classic Shell (now called Openshell) because I hated the Metro Theme. I now use Linux which is very much like Windows 7 so I don't have to spend hours setting up changes to it like I had to with Windows 8. Because Linux Mint and now Debian which I also use has everything I want. I am sure most Windows users will feel much more at home on Linux Mint or other Linux distros like it. Than they would on the horrible Windows 11. Which is not Windows anymore. So time to switch to Linux. Unless you want to put up with all of the problems of Windows 11.
Hi Brian hope all is well sir. Haven’t talked since back in the Teamspeak days. Good seeing your channel going strong sir!
MicroShit lives up to its reputation.
The first video i've seen for the day and its all bad news for EP, what a bummer I have it on all my PCs I really hope there is an update to EP or some other work around to fix this, Thanks Brain
I get a strong sense of Microsoft being really keen to lock users into compliance with the Microsoft recommended/default ways of doing things. The main motives are most likely (a) maximising profit and (b) Microsoft thinking they know what users want better than users do, and I sense a general increase in the emphasis on (a). But Microsoft can usually fall back upon the excuse that "it's for security, to protect users from themselves" in these situations. I could see it coming from the moment Microsoft brought in mandatory automatic updates.
My suspicion is that Microsoft are very keen to co-operate with various Governments who want to track, trace and censor users. The route Microsoft is taking... I can see VPNs being uninstalled, non-tracking browsers, peer to peer comms tools like 'Jami' etc, etc.
I note with interest that Apple is also moving in a similar direction, nudging users to install only approved apps via the app store.
The only thing you can hope for is that the EU sues the hell out of them and blocks it. I can't see the US doing anything about it.
It's been that way since at least Windows 8. It's been tolerable for a while, but lately it's been insufferable.
@@davidlandry3487 its awful and its all out of greed.
Thanks for the warning. Looks like Windows will be history for me when official support for 23H2 ends .. back to Linux I guess 🤔
When Windows 10 support ends I will move to Linux Mint. If I pay for something it’s mine, MS are not going to tell me what I can do with it. I reckon that within a few years all computers will become thin clients, subscription based and running a windows VM on a MS server. Holy $h1t, can you imagine the tracking and the amount of ads? Better Linux than be under the thumb of MS.
Well said sir
Don't wait. Begin your migration now. You can dual boot or put Mint on an external USB hard drive to be able to run it. This will mean a lot less drama later on.
I'm stop using it. I tried installing yesterday without any luck without a personal account. Total BS
I saw that MS is considering adding ads to the Start Menu. That would explain why they are blocking--if you use a substitute, they can't present their ads... I'm seriously thinking that Win10 will be my last Microsoft OS.
Incredibly glad I’m running Linux so this garbage mentality isn’t an issue. My pc, my rules.
They are bastards - 23H2 got rid of Picture Viewer and I used it a lot, had to put a third-party in to get some semblance of functionality back.
Thanks for the information, I have a lot of registry alternations to make Windows better from taking the stupid shortcut arrow off the desktop icons to much more useful ones as well as apps like StartAllBack. I also do have a few apps that modify other things so thanks to you I've now made a few other changes. I've disabled automatic updates in three ways, services, GP Editor and in the Registry. From now on only the security updates will be installed,. It's my computer, my copy of Windows that I bought - I do what I want with it - end of story.
I still have the viewer :o
You don't pwn Windows. You have been pwn'd
I'm going to run 22H2 as long as possible. Once it's no longer viable, I'll be moving probably to Apple, or if I feel adventurous Linux.
I wish Apple would lower their price.
@@CoMmAnDrX tbf with Apple you get no bloatware. Everything on the system is more or less something you would want to use as an end user and they don't stop you from using other things. Plus the hardware build quality is pretty solid. This doesn't mean they're perfect. All electronics and designs fail eventually.
You have more chance of winning the lottery, but good luck anyway.@@CoMmAnDrX
Me too.
@@notanimufailzone
Apple lacks bloatware is because Apple is the pioneer of legacy free computing
While Windows is having burden of backward compatibility, so user can run Windows 9x apps on their shiny new Windows 11
Well Brian I have only just got 23H2 installed on my main laptop and it is simply amazing how Microsoft keep on changing the versions. Now I fail to see how or why Microsoft do not want anyone having these tweaking apps on their machines apart from making anyone use their proprietary apps and raising their revenue plus being even more invasive than ever!!. My other concern is for the Windows 11 I have installed on my older Ivy Bridge desktop (22H2) using the bypass of not having TPM or compliant CPU on the machine being made unusable when that version 23H2 and/or 24H2 are made available for download and install. So I am just wondering if there is some way of stopping any such update being downloaded and installed??
Is anyone actually shocked at this? MS has been trying to make money from customization for years now. Plus they actively lift features from those spps and include them into their updates to make it look beneficial.
"Sorry, this word processor is not supported on Windows 11. Please install Microsoft Office ($99.99/year)"
Thank you. I will block 24h2 until we could use our programs.
Block the blockkeer ?
After seeing about this I immediately switched to Linux, this was the last straw I had with the Windows OS and I can safely say I've never been happier.
Which Linux did you go with? Others may want to know
There's not really the right Linux to choose just pick whatever you think looks good to you I went with Ubuntu personally
Stardock, which also develops similar product Start11 has shed some light on the situation in one of their posts. It appears all Microsoft is doing is shoring up some legacy code, which these two applications are relying on. This is why they are blocked. Stardock has written their own replacement taskbar without relying on Windows components so are unaffected. Internal private APIs being utilized is a rather shortsighted move by any developer as they are subject to change. That's precisely why ExplorerPatcher has that failsafe. StartAllBack probably only relies on a small portion which is why it can be made to work.
I was a Mac user for 29 years and realized I could switch to PCs, save a bundle, and add more PCs than I could afford with Macs. That was 2015. However, I needed one CRITICAL tweak to stay on PCs: hot corners. Once you get used to and like Hot Corners there's no going back. I'm not asking you to like it, I'm asking Windows to understand if you block it and not offer the same feature properly -- I'm gone.
It's not a feature I use but I believe KDE Plasma in Linux has hot corners functionality.
And what on earth are hot corners...
@@ZATennisFan Well, not sure with Windows as I jumped back in Windows 7 days. I am guessing the functionality that is in KDE in Linux where you can assign action to be carried out when the mouse pointer reaches a position on the screen. So, you could, if you set it up correctly, in KDE, drag your mouse pointer to the top rigt hand corner of the screen and have all your desktops previewed for selection, or start the editor or whatever.
I get such via keyboard shortcuts which KDE is utterly unrivalled in!
@@jedipadawan7023 you could probably do something with windows power toys
@@ZATennisFan Maybe. But given Linux KDE works for me and I do not use hot corners, personally, I'm good.
Switch to Linux instead and avoid these headaches. 💪
Britec, please,where do you get your desktop backgrounds? Some of them are quite stunningly beautiful.
Looking into it, the place is apparently the Arashiyama Bamboo Grove in Kyoto, but unsure of the specific image
@@MxylValtapaz @reamoinmcdonachadh9519 that particular image is in the windows spotlight rotation
I think it's the Windows Spotlight desktop background feature, because of a watermark in the top right that's partially obscured by their channel logo.
This just makes Linux start looking like a better option for people who are going to hate this.
Keep it up Microsoft, I'm ready to learn Linux..
Start "learning". For most people the "learning" part take about an hour if you are switching to Linux Mint.
blocking OEM software for your hardware is an anti-competitive class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
3:04 Yknow at a guess this isn't Microsoft intentionally blocking stuff. The patcher merely needs an update in order to work with the updated Explorer.exe
When applying a patch, you have to have exactly the thing you're trying to patch present. Otherwise the patch is just going to wreck the functionality because it interjects itself in the wrong places.
Oh and the setup wizard was really just talking about language packs. They're designed for each specific build number so they need to be removed before uograding.
Much ado about nothing.
Shhh, don't tell us the truth.
Thanks for the heads up
I'm going to start blocking overreaching OS's.. starting with Windows.
the only thing worse then windows would be apple
@@silentios7336 macOS is amazing
Thanks for the update ! Thought about finally sacrificing a weekend to update to Win 11and service my setup. Now i'll just rebuild my rig and PC corner since i will not deal with this Microsoft crap. Yes - i will have to update at some point but well... not now. I do wonder if these changes include even more telemetry or us not being able to deactivate things any more. When i "upgrade" i#ll surely use the non localised way to install - but i#m sure they also work on that one to add more crap.
Breaking the customizations I spent weeks tweaking, linux might be my next time investment. I'm done with Microsoft telling me I can't use programs because they don't like them, I don't like Cortana but what choice do I have.
MX-Linux KDE edition has three benefits for you here I think.
1. KDE allows for massive amounts of customization so if you like tweaking your UI experience then KDE is definitely the GUI for you!
2. MX-Linux supplies a tool for creating your own install of MX-Linux with all your installed apps and users and settings allowing a great system restore but also allowing easy replication of the same set up on another laptop.
3. Recently MX-linux added another tool to save user settings and allow reload so a new install can be quickly restored to the same state it was before. This tool also allows for settings to be translated to a new version (though I doubt it will woek between KDE 5 and KDE 6.) This last one could be very helpful when upgrading because, frankly, to date, I have never managed to successfully upgrade a version of MX-Linux. Version 19 to 21 and 21 to 23 did NOT upgrade properly and required a re-install.
Trying to be helpful.
The alternative for you though might be a rolling distro based on 'Arch' which always has the latest of everything as Windows 10 was intended to be... until Microsoft figured they could go back their old ways of forcing upgrades, forcing users to buy new hardware and profiting from the OEM payments.
Windows 10 is better, i never update to 11.
Yes win10 is better than 11 just like windows 7 which was far more better than 10. Even then we had no option other than updating to win10.
Same I don’t care how much stuff they take away. I’m still using Windows 10.
Will be forced on you
You have to keep in mind, we do own our computers, but Microsoft owns Windows. By accepting their terms of service when you install it on your PC, you gave them permission to do the things they're doing. That's just the world we're living in now.
Well Microsoft will lose lots of people incl. me I`m sending up my Blend OS and don`t use windows anymore Microsoft lose there snozzzzz. Thank you Brain you always bring always very good news.
Who the hell are Microsoft to tell us what we can or cannot install on our machine?
It's our machine, we paid for it. There's not much to like about Microsoft these days.
My favorite Windows customization app is Linux.
All this sounds like it will be Illegal in Australia under consumer laws. They will need to give the ACCC very good reasons why or face anti competition charges. Some new proposed anti competition regulations have some real bite. Going are the days of fining monster companies a couple of hundred dollars, that is lost change in the car park scale. We are now talking 10% of product turnover and thousands of dollars, something to make corporate shareholders look up from their share profit cheques. Equally, I would also question its legality, or acceptability, under EU regulation.
The fact being, if MS find that third party addons are becoming over popular, then they should rethink their offering in terms of why. Its not good business the way they are going, unless they intend to make windows subscription and charge companies to use the windows platform. It will take about 10 years to create world wide software for an alternative platform or instantly make Apple bigger by the same amount that MS is now. So MS would reap a huge amount of cash from closing up the platform to software developers who do not pay for access and going subscription for some years. Where they could then relent and keep their smaller user base having made a heap and leap forth as new "we have seen the light" organisation, spruiking open platforms and so on.
You've posted this comment word-for-word on every video on the subject. No it's not, no they won't - when Microsoft demonstrates how (for example) StartAllBack works internally, the ACCC will (quite rightfully) classify it as a virus.
@@throwaway6478 I wrote it here first then on one other site saying I had posted it here. "Every video on the subject" you say Yes, every video if they are the only two, and two hardly makes for a serial offence does it? Especially as MS may be seen as anti competitive from a developers perspective. One who is giving users something that many want and vindictive from a user perspective. So what are you bumping your gums about? You write "No it's not, no they wont" What's "not" and what's "wont" about then? I have no clue what not and what won't you are writing about they are not referenced.
The ACCC is not interested in viruses. Never was, never will be, unless it reduces competition. Bit like some EU regulations.
My second sentence in my original post says MS would need to give a good reason to the ACCC. Not that they could not give a reason or were incapable of giving a valid reason. The fact the MS changed the OS to block the addon applications means it could be construed as anti competition and even vindictive, taking away what the customer had paid for and was using seamlessly. The EU has found MS to be anti competition in some aspects as well.
Now. If you want to explain what you are writing about I will see if I can answer your questions. OK.
@@jimspc07Sorry mate, I'm not reading all that butthurt. 🤣
@@throwaway6478 Well if you cant be bothered reading a response don't ask or pose questions. You will find life angst free.
I have 24H2 and I have explorer patcher. The only thing that happened was that my task bar was the same color as the desktop. I just upgraded explorer patcher and the desktop went to looking normal
It is time for a class action lawsuit. They have no business doing this. Next it will be a yearly fee to use Micro$oft Windows.
Time to start blocking patch servers in my router.
As a content creator and a former network administrator, I enjoy tweaking my systems. I have decided to keep my primary computer on Windows 10 and have been transitioning to linux as much as I can. On my gaming machine, I am still on Windows 10. I use an HP Reverb G2 (VR headset) on that computer and microsoft have announced Windows 11 will not support it. In fact, there are reports that the latest Windows 11 build is bricking HP reverbs and other mixed media headsets.
I can not stand the start menu of Windows 11. Even on my Windows 10 systems, I use custom menu apps and other tweaks.
I wish a class action lawsuit would be filed on this topic as I believe microsoft is going too far with their anti-consumer practices.
My big question is, are these removals / blocks only for the current versions (which are known to cause problems as you've shown), or are they for all future versions too?
I can understand them uninstalling broken software if it is known to cause those bugs you show if it helps the installer update correctly.
It remains to be seen I suppose...
Probably just for the Dev/Canary builds though if the compatibility issues remain when 24H2 progresses to release preview/release they'll remain blocked. Britec should know better than to scaremonger over compatibility issues in bleeding-edge dev/canary builds.
@ElvenSpellmaker I hope that is the case.
Shame on you Microsoft. Not doing big feature upgrades on my main PC a lot. But when i do i reformat my PC and i customize my ISO with NTLite.
Until you get editing access to the windows kernel that isn't your ISO it's Microsoft's ISO
Microsoft won't fix Windows 11 and they are making it worse.
What I didn't like about Windows 11 is that Microsoft redid the toolbar from scratch, wanting to copy the Macosx style, and it was unstable and cluttered, on the Mac there is a dock but there is also a toolbar at the top. Even if we leave the taskbar "stretched", it's still bad. This envy that Microsoft has towards Apple (and Microsoft owns a large part of Apple's stocks) makes Windows worse every day.
Already made a free 100 Gb partition for Linux. Now, to choose between Mint, Pop OS oR Zorin
Just go with any Debian distro you like. They will work out of the box and you can run most windows programs with no problem.
If you have a good pc go for Zorin.
Would Deppin be a good choice? I believe Deppin is Debian based.
Ubuntu even with snaps is always a good distro. Great to use everyday. I'm sticking with. Mint only with Gnome because Cinamonn is a Windows like and multi-tasking is a nightmare. Zorin yes it's a good OS but it uses a outdated kernel. If you want a Windows like DE but customizable, you can try Kubuntu with KDE 6. KDE is still messy but with KDE 6 it becomes better.
There are so many Linux distros and so many GUIs there is huge room for personal preference. I am a major KDE fan, if only for the user define keyboard shorcuts.
There is a website - Distrosea - that will allow you to play with the various distros online before any install so you can play with the various GUIs and see what suits you. Probably the UI is more of an issue than the distro itself. Note the following:
Ubuntu has gone kinda weird and lot of people would say "avoid."
Mint seems to be getting major traction as the go to for Windows users hoping over with a Windows like UI (Cinnamon) without the endless possible settings of KDE which causes confusion for many.
MX-Linux has been getting rave reviews and is very powerful especially the KDE edition.
Note that distros based on Debian like MX Linux tend to be stable but lean towards using outdated SW by default. (No KDE 6!)
Arch based distros are cutting edge all the way ad there is the risk of something breaking.
Ubuntu based distros like Mint (though Mint has a Debian edition) are a sort of halfway house but Ubuntu are going really strange of late.
I say try DistroSea.
Well done Microsoft. Windows 11 is already, and continues to be, unpopular and now you've made it worse. Preventing your customers from customizing their PC's is a really anti-consumer move.
Are they deliberately trying to piss users off? I'm so glad I'm on 10, which MS have, for the most part, left alone.
Why are so many people comparing this to Apple? You can install and run anything on MacOS, which is the direct equivalent to windows in this case. Apple don’t stop you like Microsoft are doing here. There’s a warning when you try to run something unsigned and downloaded from the internet, but they provide a workaround; the first time you run it you need to right-click it and select open, then confirm that you do actually want to run it. After that it opens as normal with a double click or from the applications menu. What Microsoft are doing is way worse. I wonder if this version will block debloat tools or the various methods of stopping them loading Teams back on to your start menu after you’ve uninstalled it. Really slimy practices coming out of Microsoft lately.
my question is: when you install windows on YOUR computer (means "the computer that YOU purchased with YOUR money"), who's the owner of that windows installation?
Microsoft has always thought of your PC as belonging to them. Cheeky blighters (to be polite). They'll block browsers other than Edge next. EDIT: This news has certainly woken us all up!!
LINUX!
Guess it's time to try Linux again, it's been ages since my last try :D
Same as Windows 10 which need to turn off all antivirus and approve applications with patches
cant wait until windows dies
So basically they can now mark every browser as a security or performance issue maker and you can do nothing with it. Next they can block every video and audio codec besides the ms ones from the same reasons. And so on. The last one will be every exe and dll file not signed by them and with checksum not in their online databases. This is just a test.
I always liked Windows 2000. The problem is that they don't make a modern web browser for it, and that in turn causes me many more problems since I now use 11, and it looks like more are coming up with 24H2.