How Many TOTAL Clone Troopers Were Created?
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*Correction: 6.2 Million, not 7.2 Million.
nice
I was on the way to correct
Work on ya maths
@@Buffinton🤓
Hey you're doing some excellent deduction there bud. No sweat a slight miscalculation. :)
The most staggering thing to me is whatever the amount of clones is, there were several times more droids to make up for their (generally) lower quality
For a clone to have been considered a net positive they had to destroy atleast 10 B-1 battledroids. And according to legends most clones actually managed to do that.
Fr, If it weren't for Palpatines manipulation of the war, they would have steamrolled the Republic
@@DragonOnCoke7299 considering the fact of just how much of essentially everything the CIS had in comparison to the the republic. It's honestly insane when you realize just how much manipulation in the background must have occurred for it to go the way it did.
@@Kaiquintos We are only left to wonder how he might have declared the Empire if the Separatists (who wanted to form a *separate* state) had won. He’d have had to keep Dooku on most likely.
@@wildfire9280 well, if Separatist won, they would have killed all Jedi and Palpatine would be leader of the state either way.
Technically speaking, every clone trooper is an absolute unit
😂😂😂
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
@@decades1912 you will do what you must. However, you will try.
*Factually speaking
@@DoomofOlympus *ignites lightsaber*
Just imagine being a clone serving in the 481794th clone batallion 💀
Tbh warhammer 40k be like hahaha
At some point these sci-fi universes becomes pathetic.
If they have to fight a war in galaxy-scale campaigns, they just needed a different type of unit and army structures.
The idea of bringing back the Legions for example isn't bad.
A Legion is basically a multi-tasking pocket army that is easy to deploy wherever you want.
In the sw universe seems that legions have something like 50.000 troopers or something.
But that's kinda just a regular army corp in most of the world.
So it isn't exactly the same but it fits the designation.
That would probably be the best basic strategic unit to fight the war.
A unit of that size alone can already do lots of things and still be independent from the rest of the army.
While smaller units will be insufficient in numbers to control small colonies or to fight battles, while a bigger unit could be a waste of assets when you have to deal with localized smaller fronts.
Moreover you can still pile up legions to fight proper battles and wars and it will also benefit the commander in chief that in this way will have less work to do to coordinate the action by having units that can easily do it by themselves.
Exactly. Star Wars is a space fantasy. Every battle we see has a small number of ships. Part of the universe is that army sizes were smaller than in our real galaxy. Just like in our real galaxy space ships aren’t magically backlit in the dead of space and don’t operate like WWII planes in combat 🤷♂️
@@disillusioned8686 if you take as example the battle of Coruscant, it's like if America had just few thousand ships at its disposal... 😤
@@danielefabbro822 Also lots of numbers come from different book authors which are mostly non-canon and all use wildly different numbers themselves. Some claim there were thousands of venators and CIS ships in the battle but on screen we only see maybe 30 venators at most
No wonder Riyo had a concern of giving the clones human rights. 800 million populating the galaxy deserves to live a life on their own instead of just being a living weapon
Woah, are you saying that if there weren't as many you would be ok with them being used as slaves!?
There's 7 billion people of Earth. Giving 800 million clones rights would be just a fraction of the galactic population. However that 800 million would be half of what it is at the end of the war.
@@ryanlokensgard1591there's actually 8 billion humans on earth. Idk where you got 7 billion but that numbers been outdated at about 10 years ago
@bluntslt8023 Sorry I didn't round, but the last I saw was 7.7 billion. I just said 7
Well… that’s one unorthodox way of making an argument against slavery.
The real answer: George Lucas has a poor sense of scale
I mean yes this is objectively correct lok
True, it's the same like the Planets in Star wars are supposed to be as big as the earth (some smarter, some bigger) but there are still only 2 cities on naboo und the Föderation can Controller it in one day? Or the battle about ryloth. Obi wan said that mace troups cleared the south half of the Planet and they are clearing the northern half. Rylosth is almost as big as the earth. 2 jedi with some clone clear the entire earth in a week?
@@therealraptor9424that too, even cody tells obi-wan that "most cities" in utapau are concentrated in a single continent while on their way to catch grievous and its a planet that seems kinda similar to earth so its either literally everything else uninhabited or straight up farmland as if the planets never had different factions and "countries" like we do here and instead were just always unified and people chose to live wherever the leader lived and stayed since
Exactly. Just like George R R Martin with Game of Thrones.
@@lordarryn2834 not really. IRL, historical large armies prior to the French revolution and first French republic has been exclusive to the large historical empires, like Ur, Pharaoic Egypt, Rome, Persia and China where the rulers had succeeded in creating an administrative and logistical framework stable enough to support a core of standing armies complemented by, partially or fully government equipped, citizen levies.
The equivalent IRL era in Europe that GoT is set in, did not have large standing armies. The feudal armies of Europe were raised on a single campaign basis, where a campaign usually only lasted a single summer, sometimes starting earlier in the spring or ending later in the fall depending on the monarchs ambitions and successes or failiures.
And those armies, especially between the 11th and the 15th century were rarely more than 8000-12000 strong, as there just wasn't enough people left to recruit for an army while also having enough people at home maintaining a functional food or goods manufacturing economy at the same time after the various plagues and subsequent famines that swept the continent every dozen or so years...
Only with the conscript armies of the First French Republic did Europe once more see armies over 150'000 troops strong.
Units in the Military almost always refer to a Company sized Element. So that’s 144 troopers per Unit typically
That would put the standing count at 28,800,000 clones for the first battle of Geonosis and 316,800,000 total for the first wave. And would put the total amount of clones made is 1,036,800,000 after the additional five million more units.
Now let’s assume that the Separatists had five droids to one clone, that would mean the CIS had a standing army of around 5,184,000,000 droids ready to fight.
@@starrelic275yea the separatist supposedly have billions if not trillions of droids
@@starrelic275ive heard the droids outnumbered the clone 100 to 1
@@MrXD117 if so then the CIS would have a standing droid army at 103,680,000,000
@@starrelic275not an unreasonable number honestly but im sure it was just referring to how droids can be quickly manufactured to replace clones that take many years to mature
Magnificent aren't they?
They are totally obedient, taking any orders without question.
@@RandomUser2235it was all fun and games until order 66 came into play.. 😭💀
@@Bnuuy56Any orders. Without. Question.
@@cykeok3525 good soldiers follow orders!
They kinda are. They're my favorite part of star wars tbh.
As someone pointed out, a unit could refer to 144 troops in a company if we are to base it off of real life armies, so doing the math, we find that would put the standing count at 28,800,000 clones for the first battle of Geonosis and 316,800,000 total for the first wave. And would put the total amount of clones made is 1,036,800,000 after the additional five million more units.
Now let’s assume that the Separatists had five droids to one clone, that would mean the CIS had a standing army of around 5,184,000,000 droids ready to fight.
I would go as far as to say there were 50 droids to every clone
Ok so in the actual movie they literally state that Yoda went with 20,000 clones fighting inside the arena with 180,000 clones being lead by Mace Windu to fight the droids on the outside. Unit stands for 1 person not 9 people. This unit is referring to an object like a group of people.
Scale??????????????????????
@@smthsmthsmthsmth mind elaborating?
@@starrelic275 no way 6.2 millions troops can old any kind of control over the entire galaxy. Even your estimate makes no sense, the separatists had QUINTOLLIONS
Units mostly likely means battalions because they were 1,000s of Jedi fighting in the clone wars one we never got to see and they were probably fighting smaller battles just to hold the separatists at bay
How many clones were there in a legion?
@@francescotonini6268it was in the end of the video I think 570 something
@@Antoneboii 576 but he refers to a batallion
@@francescotonini6268in a legion there are around 10,000 clones
Not necessarily. There were definitely thousands of jedi but not every one commanded their own sector fleet. Some jointly commanded clones and some commanded at the level of legions rather than Corps or sector fleets. Also, many jedi did not command clones at all but were on other missions or stayed at the temple
The truth is that we have no idea how many clones there were. That is the real point of the line. Clone units can refer from anything from a squad to a battalion to a corps, and Lama Su's vagueness could well have been intentional. Especially when you consider that George approved of the idea that Palpatine had secret fleets of fully crewed warships prepared for the battle of coruscant.
They couldn't never feat so much clone troops or pay for them
@@fearmaster2078 As in the Republic? The Republic couldn't even pay for the amount that the Kaminoans announced publicly, Palpatine was working with the corporate leaders to make it all work out financially. Remember Palpatine wanted the Republic to win at all costs, the CIS were fighting with barely any of their forces and all their chances at victory were purposefully thrown away. Even during the Battle of Coruscant when the CIS was on its knees, the droids could have easily won or simply left at any time.
If it was changed to “200 million units are ready, with a billion more well on the way” then it would have made much more sense.
Damn, that's a lot of enslaved child soldiers.
Jango Fett must’ve had the most kids out of anyone in the Galaxy! 😂
Basically the Genghis Khan of Star Wars 🤣
@@SamB782Just without getting it on with so many people.
@@physical_insanity indeed
I've always taken it as the 6.2 million figure, given a few extra details.
Kamino as a water world, isolated from the majority of the galaxy, would need to house and feed those clones across their cities, which weren't very spacious from what we've been shown and could be a great distance apart across a perpetually waterlogged planet.
In 1 episode of the Clone Wars when the senate was discussing deregulation of the banks and the purchase of more clones, the Banking Clan representative tried leveraging Padme's compliance by mentioning the separatist securing a loan with 25% interest rates for approximately 3 million additional droids, which led to Anno saying, "they'll wipe us out".
Also, battles in Star Wars, even when mentioned to be planet wide campaigns, only show a few dozens to a few hundred clones at a time, suggesting battles are fought for key locations and cities, of which the side holding can declare the planet or a good amount of it as occupied.
This is further suggested with the Clone Wars as the Rishi Moon outpost and the planet orbited by Pantora only held a single Clone outpost each.
A moon, and an Entire planet, both only were utilized to construct one facility each, which would cover a vast distance of space.
This leads me to believe that despite th3 galaxy consisting of Trillions of beings, and planets having billions of sentient lifeforms on them, galaxy spanning conflicts only require a planet to be considered "lost", "occupied", "liberated", or "captured" with the taking of a few of its most populated cities.
Another thing to suggest this is that when planets are under blockade, the ships blockading the planet normally sit right on top of the capital of that world, as despite a planet being entered from every possible direction, it seems the very capital of the planet is considered the main way in, or is just wear the hyperspace lanes will drop people off.
So yeah, I could see an army of only a few million being used in that context, especially when Legends material suggested a larger use of local defense forces to supplement certain battles (example, the Mon Calimari and Gungans fighting alongside clones on Mon Cali or the Wookies fighting with the clones on Kasheyk).
Who do you think crewed the Venators? Do you think it was only clones? A 5/50 mixture of clones and non clones? Do you think it’s was predominantly clones or predominantly non-clones?
@theranman0000 Well, we have seen that it was a mix of a few Non-clones in the bridges of them, but we don't know to what extent the engineering, flight crews, or medical staff was.
Also, the estimate stands at over 1,000 Ventators being used in the war, and with crews of over 7,400 personel, we don't know if or how many Venators were given to local defense forces, or heald in reserve to replace ships destroyed, or just in for maintenance and how long that last.
The US has 11 Supercarriers, but half are always in port under maintenance.
Being large vessels with lots of parts, they need a lot of upkeep and this can leave them out of action for several months.
While Star Wars tech is very advance, I'm sure the Venators would still require periods of maintenance in a shipyard.
It's all just speculation anyway.
@@iliadnetfear2586You're grasp of scale is utterly pathetic.
interesting thing, in our translation (Russian) Lama Su tells Obi-Wan "200 000 подразделений уже готовы и еще миллион на подходе", the word "подразделение" in this line means unit as a some group of combatants
Id say at least 3
You aren't wrong
Atleast tree fiddy clone troopas
Consider also that the US military has a standing army of 1.4 million, but that only about 7% of that standing military is infantry and less than 20% total is combat specific jobfocus, the rest being support roles like supply, admin, communications, command etc. etc.
The clones would have primarily been combat units, the support roles like admin and logistics being fulfilled limitedly by clones and primarily by other non clone staff of the empire.
Every us personnel go through basic combat training
@@right584 and? The galactic empire isn’t the US. I know they WANT to be the galactic empire, but they ain’t.
I would love to see a story about the last clone ever made.
Agreed! In the Bad Batch before Kamino is destroyed it's shown that young clones not yet old enough for service are being transfered off world. It's not clear what happens to these young clones in the show. I did hear a rumor though that states the younger clones were kept by the empire and later trained to become the purge troopers that we see wearing all black.
@@masonmoore3473they become purge troopers or dark troopers
Reminder that despite the 03 and 08 animated clone wars the majority of the war was fought between sector/system forces made up of all the species.
Only a small portion was fought between clones and droids.
I guess planetary defense forces are a lot more apt than they’re given _credit_ for.
Makes sense, the Clones probably worked like the us marines, making up a small portion of the military but more battle ready and deployed to major fronts with the republic fleet.
If I recall correctly there were even clone units whose specific job was to train local militias on Republic planets and stir up rebellions on CIS planets.
Within the Legends continuity of the clone wars, I’d agree. In canon(of which TCW is exclusive given how most of it contradicts the previously established continuity) most of the fighting was done with Clones and Droids, with the clones receiving little to no help from local planetary militias. With even tie in comics and novels to TCW supporting this idea.
TCW also made the clone wars seemed Galactic scale, but most of the fighting took place in Outer Rim territory planets. In Legends, the fighting took place in planets across the Galaxy, not exclusively the Outer Rim.
@@kevinsanchez4808, you are aware that at any time we're seeing a battle in The Clone Wars, and there hundreds of others happening all over the galaxy at the same time? And most of those do not involve clones or droids at all.
George Lucas doesn't know how planetary and galactic scale works 😂
It was Disney's idea,not his.
@@russianinvader3207This happened pre-Disney.
Droids had an ungodly amount then lmao
That’s exactly why if Palpatine hadn’t been running both sides, the CIS would’ve wiped the floor with the Republic.
Clones took 9 years before they were ready for combat and droids were pumped out by the billions and were ready for combat out the door. Even if we take the high estimate of 600-800 million clones, that’s still minuscule to the billions upon billions of droids that could have their numbers replaced instantly.
they were one QUADRILLIONS
@markman6105 I would just say that by doing it that way, it was much easier to convince Anakin of joining him and easier to kill the jedis. There is a good chance of winning even without involving but the risk of them just building a new one with so many strong individuals left that can teach new one, was scary. Especially if you think back to everything after part 3 it's "wierd" how any of them where so good at being a jedi having so much less training that anybody, and we literally got told how important it is to be trained and not have pur talent in bad batch just a week ago lol
I’ve always wondered why the Republic didn’t utilize non clone soldiers. The Gungans on Mon Cala and Twi’leks on Ryloth were instrumental in their respective battles. To me it would make sense to use the clones for heavy duty battles and use non clones for occupation and less intense positions
There was certainly quite a bit of that, although we don’t see much of it since it is not as exciting to watch.
Logistically sure, but in the end the war was still just a huge smoke and mirrors plot by Palpatine to get the republic to willingly give up their freedoms in order to be molded into his empire, and so that he could have the jedi order scattered across the galaxy and killed en masse by an army that wouldn't question the order or hesitate in doing so.
Wait? I should fight and risk my life for something as silly as if a planet 50.000 lightyears away is represented by this or that senate?
Time to get a new senator asap. We riot and prost now till someone more sensible becomes our senator.
Those are civilized times, before the empire, before the dark times.
You clearly see that civilians are mostly kept out of those conflicts, unless it's an outer rim world that has basically no representation in the senate anyway.
The small scale of this intergalactic war makes totally sense, not only because most settlements on planets are really small scale, but as well because the stakes of winning or losing the war are pretty small. The separatists just wanted to leave the republic and not annihilate it.
We see very little planetary bombardments as well, sure the Separatist have their extreme cases dabbling into new weapons of mass destruction, but they never really become part of the normal warfare despite both sides having access to them.
6.2 million clone troopers are enough to kill most of the like 30.000 jedi that Palpatine needs to be gone. So he does not need to ravage the galaxy just for his goal of weakening the jedi.
They did. In fact, they did that a vast majority of the time. We just tend to see the GAR because... well, the clones are cool, obviously.
Planetary security forces and sector security forces also assisted and fought with the GAR.
But as the person about pointed out above, people expect clones to fight in the Clone Wars and we want to see clones not some dude bashing droids
One thing to keep in mind is the republic also had regular human soldiers and were working with many of the allied planets to put together a larger army, so if the clones are seen as a more elite group of fighters and not the main fighting force these smaller amounts make slightly more sense
It never made sense to me, how can 7 million clone troopers defend an entire galaxy? That’s like billions of planets to monitor
Not really billions given that the (of course known star wars galaxy) is a couple hundred. However it's entirely possible that there are more than that because Galaxies are HUGE. But if they were only defending those hundreds of galaxies 7 million still isnt enough but makes more sense. Or George Lucas has a terrible sense of scakle
To play the devil's advocate Hyperdrive allow a quick redeployment of forces so as a spearhed/frontline force a few million forces would be sufficient if the rest of the ranks were filled by conscripts.
Of course that would still be a rather low number for an invasion force as the relation of frontline soldier to support personnal can be 1:10 in extreme cases and if we look at world war 1 and 2 - 25 and 120 million a planet with our population would have a significal numerical advantage. The Starwars galaxy has at least a 100 quadrillion inhabitants. Even if only 1 per mille were recruited that would provide a total of 1 trillion soldiers so the GAR is definetly too small.
It's been mentioned several times (in both canon and non-canon sources) that a massive amount of fighting by both sides had been done by local/sector militia.
@@ImperialGuardsman2 even still 7.2 million is a minoscule number for a war that large, it doesn't make sense, especially as often as capital ships like venators seemed to get destroyed
@@stazzaproductionsit goes even further than that. Whenever we see a Venator, it is exclusively manned by Clone Troopers (maybe except the captain/admiral and jedi). We know Venators have around 7000 crew on board. We also know that at least 1000 Venators were present for the Battle of Couruscant. That means that 7.000.000 Clones were needed to crew those Venators at Couruscant. And of course this was not the entire republic fleet, there were still other defense fleets on other planets at the time of that battle, and of course ground troopers as well.
Scale has never been George’s speciality
Blame Disney.
@@russianinvader3207This has been a problem since long before the Disney buyout. Star Wars has never been particularly good at managing the scale a galaxy-scale conflict would necessitate.
@@circeciernova1712 Not really, no.
Seeing how SW has always been a grand-SCALE space opera, like all space opera; lmfao.
@@papapalps2415 The number of clones made for the Clone War would be appropriate for fighting WWII, it would make sense for a planetary-size conflict. This occurs over and over, with the numbers provided being very tiny for a galactic scale.
This isn't a problem specific to Star Wars either. It shows up in all kinds of Science Fiction, even those that are usually better about it. Humans just don't easily grasp the scale required to encompass a galaxy.
And it's not as though it makes Star Wars _bad_ or anything, I quite enjoy both the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy. But I acknowledge that the scale listed for some things is wonky.
That’s a lot of mouths to feed😂
The logistics would be astronomical. Even with highly mechanized logistics, there would still be many beings, both clones and otherwise, working on freighters and in kitchens and factories all over to keep the army supplied.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis i mean there is 8 billion people who can survive on just one planet
They used the Cheapest kind of Slop you call Edible though. Probably made of Animal Bi Products or something
as long as we got clean land for growing food and more water supplies we are fine@@user-zw5fu1tc8o
People think star wars battles are large, then you tell them the numbers for stalingrad
It doesn't surprise me. Remember the entire war was orchestrated. Palpatine only spent enough money to make it look real.
You wouldn't even need that many. Think about how well trained each one was. A reserve assistant cook in the grand army would have SEAL team 6 level of training by our standards.
Combat troops only comprise 6-11% of the US military. This is a tooth-to-tail ratio (T3R) of 1:8 to 1:15. Let's suppose the Grand Army of the Republic has a T3R of 1:9. Even assuming clones comprise all of the frontline ground and naval personnel, the 1.2 million clones are a part of a 12 million strong military, with support roles carried out mostly by Republic personnel and droids.
For example, in the Jedi temple bombing, they play the footage showing the logistics personnel at work, and they are all non-clones.
I’ve heard the quote being used to reference divisions, which makes the most sense to me.
It wouldn't be 800 million troopers if there were 6.2 million Units (this is for the speculation that a "Unit" was a battalion) it would be 3,571,200,000 Troopers
And nobody knows how all 4 digit CT numbers fit.
CT-3042/24
Mind you: 7Million soldiers could be enough if you deploy them properly. The US Army does not possess hyper space tech. So the US deployment is much slower. Fast logistics help a smaller army appear larger and in more locations.
This is exactly what happened in WW2 soviet union fighting WW2 Germany thanks to railroads and US manufactured locomotives.
7million would be enough for what exactly?
@@theranman0000 For taking a planet earth-size, with air superiority a few million suffices... 2 or 3 million. Like I said, I'm assuming a very efficient deployment and tacticm I'd leave the rest of the army naturally on guard elsewhere.
My dumbass thougt you were going to watch all star wars media with clones and individually count them
There are also a lot of off-screen Clones too.
Me chilling with my 53 lego clone troopers😂
The original figure uses the GAR as QRF (quick reaction force). That set up only needs a small number because it doesn’t hold new territory and the planets do most of their own defense. The GAR would just be used for offensive attacks, and bolster defenses that would be hit hard.
1.2 Million Clones, while a single Providence class Carrier/Destroyer can carry 1.5 Million deactivated battle droids.
+6:Hunter, Tech, Wrecker, Crosshair, Omega and the clone lady doctor
Something else people forget about: Kamino had been producing the clones for the past 10-11 years to get them ready for the war. Who's to say they didnt produce 200,000 'units' or more _every year_ for that decade, so the number could easily be in the _millions_ without starting to consider what constitutes a 'unit'.
What’s up guys, as someone who served, I can tell you that usually (not always) when someone says *unit* in the military they are talking about the DIVISION they come from. A unit in the military it’s typically where you are stationed after basic training. A division is 10,000 to 15,000 soldiers. Hope this helps.
In WWII the U.S. had 12m soldiers. 100m would probably be required for a planet equivalent to earth. A galaxy wide war would require probably at least billions clone troopers. 100k makes sense for the battle of geonosis but the scale of a galaxy is immense.
For a galaxy-wide conflict like the Clone Wars I would've expected the soldiers to number in the trillions honestly.
It is still absolutely tiny in a galaxy Like a grain of sand on the beach
Clone troopers were one of the best things to happen to star wars
Sure is grand!
In the modern Military the word unit is used most commonly to reference a battalion.
That could practically be their own race for a short time
I think it was stated that (in Legneds at least) the clones didn’t do the bulk of the fighting but rather were Elite troops too start of an Invasion. The Grand Army of the Republic also covered all Planetary Defense Forces which were the main Republic military before the Clones were found on Kamino.
Well, since there are about 1 million planets/systems in the Republic and since the unit referred to often is the Clone Legion. Which then makes a bit more sense that having several legions per planet is reasonable. So six or seven million legions makes sense.
The army itself had around 3.5 million. 9 to 10 in a squad, 4 squads per platoon, 4 platoons per company, 4 companies per battalion, 4 battalions per regiment, 4 regiments per legion, 4 legions per corps, 4 corps per sector army, 2 sector armies per system army and a total of 10 systems armies. This does include vehicle crews, shuttle crews and the millions in the navy manning venators, star fighters and other ships. Not to mention the commandos
One theory that gets said a lot is that the clones were more of a relief or quick reaction force where local planetary defense forces do most of the fighting and the clones come in as a relief force to either mop up remaining droids or assist in the defense
In the novelisation it appeared at times as if they referred (in these conversations on Kamino) to (sold) units almost colloquially with squads of various sizes. From regular infantry or specialist squads. It's not specified how "units"/groups were sized for crews on ships etc. Or how Kaminoans organised crews during training.
*However*
The novel does also state 190,000 "clones" took part in the first battle of Geonosis... meaning the Kaminoans referred to each individual clone as a marketable unit. Even if they also referred to some groups of infantry as military units.
When it comes to scale for army sizes it reminds me of the one fan rule I heard for 40k, which is take the given number of combatants and add a 0 to the end to make the total number more reasonable
Unit was per man they were always out numbered
To be an elite Force of fighting units they were supposed to have very small number compared to and they had an accurate number description if you look it up
7.2 Million frontline duty shock troops is a lot. The 1.2 million US soldiers includes all auxilliary logistics and administration. Which is the bulk of troops. These would either be droids, AI tools or the entire galaxies species. Clones would compose the dangerous assault units and special forces of the very dangerous military jobs. The clone units would not perform guard and garrsion duties anyway. That would be left to local militias.
At 7.2 M you could intervene as needed anywhere in the galaxy. The Clones do resemble more closely the US Marines intervention army w/o their auxiliary functions.
"How many clones were in the GAR?"
More than five
A clone unit or squad is comprised of about 8-12 soldiers per unit
Fun fact: the empire in Legends have more than 10 trilion stoormtrooper
In the Canadian army, a unit is often the size of a bataillon (almost 700)
Yeah that's more likely since we are going by US standards.
Holy crap...
The Grand Army also included a lot of Planetary Defense forces so while 7.2 million and up to 10-12 million may have been commissioned during the Clone Wars they were not the major fighting force, we only call them the Clone Wars because it was one of the only Military edicts the Republic ever made, but Twileks, Lothalians, Caminoans, Mon Cala, and so on and so forth all too part and provided their own military power.
Palpatine was in control of BOTH SIDES... It wasn't a real war, it just had to look like one!
Time to make a accurate clone army in irl
Also keep in mind that the Republic heavily depended on plantetary militaries to defend themselves, especially in the inner Rims. The clones were primarily used line a scalpel to attack certain points. In space you really can't have a quote on quote frontline.
There's also how "and a million more well on the way" only speaks to the number at that specific moment that are in development, not how many more are waiting to be developed in the time between kenobi finding kamino and the Senate requesting 5 million more.
Finite number of test tubes, yk?
Even if we knew the exact rate it took then to produce a set number, there's also no way of knowing if they were operating at max efficiency before the actual war began/payments begun, meaning extrapolation is still infeasible for the potential tacit number.
The clone army having 7 million troops could make sense as the clone army could doctrinally operate as a shock force and as an intervention force aside from some occupation operations in war torn systems, leaving planetary defense for the hundreds of planets to local forces
Idt they're discussing unit in military terms, I think it's in more of a manufacturing term since clones are viewed as products not people
there could have been more orders for unit between the two scenes and that was just the most recent one.
Clone Troopers rule and I would be Commander Wolffe!
The separatist crisis affected the whole galaxy, but battles mostly was conflicts between local planets, or just planetary level(like calamari and quarren, before get republic aid).
Just the most important systems seen droids or clones.
When the Republic Army was too scattered before battle of Coruscant, the fronts numbers where clones and jedi fighted were less than 150 planets I think. Based on legends lore. In one of the legends comics Kenobi told Anakin they have no enough troops for near 100 battlefront.
Thats why Empire have greater navy than Republic in clone wars. Clone Wars was a war between two alliance, but the rebellion was a war between an alliance and a centralized power.
While there was a bigger rebel navy, every planet had its own rebel cell or cells.
Actually, a "unit" as per Kaminoan cloning terminology is not analogous to "individual", but refers to 2,000 individual clones. It would simply not be worth the effort for the Kaminoans to go through the very time-consuming, expensive and complex effort of cloning and then produce only a handful of individuals, hence why the standard unit a client may order is no smaller than 2,000. This is most obviously confirmed in Attack of the Clones, as CC-6454/CT-411 says they have brought five commando "units" to Geonosis, and we know from multiple consistent secondary sources that there were 10,000 clone commandos in that battle.
This means the Grand Army of the Republic consists of 2,400,000,000 individual clone troopers, supplemented by around 10,000 Jedi. The brunt of the fighting, of course, was carried by local security forces, militias and planetary armies numbering countless billions, enough to hold a Galaxy-wide front line while the GAR reinforced weak points or conducted offensive/counteroffensive operations. A far more believable number, consistent with the scale of the conflict as depicted in most non-visual Star Wars media.
The Clone Wars 2008 series specifically saying 5 million TROOPERS has multiple layers of logical fallacies (perhaps most obviously the fact that the clones take 10 years to make and train, while Palpatine intended to move away from the clones altogether within a couple of years) and should be ignored altogether as the result of the same poor quality control which plagued much of that series.
So the Jedi used kidnapped child soldiers and the Republic used conscious living beings who were forced to fight without their consent. I think the separatists were the only good guys in Star Wars. They just wanted freedom from an unjust and uncaring Republic
Your also forgetting about the ungodly ammount of spaarti.... which got decanonised.
Probably because they were useless as even cannon fodder.
Didn’t the Spaartis number in the billions? That’s not too bad
I think a lot of people missed the fact that in season 3 episode 1 of the clone wars show Shak Ti herself states domino squad as a unit
Fun fact. A clone "unit" ACTUALLY refers to an entire division of 2,304 clones. Meaning the initial 1.2 million is worth 2,764,800,000 (2.8 billion clones)
And the additional 5 million units would bring the total up from 2,764,800,000 to 18,892,800,000 (almost 19 billion)
Feel free to correct my math if I'm wrong. I did this at 3AM.
Another fun fact: This was introduced literally due to the plothole and bad sense of scale.
Mate unit means 1. 19 billion is stupid numbers I've done the maths on this already 12 mil clones at most why would a unit mean a whole battalion
Source where it says a unit is 2k troops
@@jonburley1261 I fully agree with you but I got it from wookiepedia
@@jonburley1261Inside the Worlds clearly states it was divisions. It isn't up for debate. Cope.
Genuinely makes sense I’ve been wondering this my whole life lmao
The messed up part is most of these clones were five years old
10 actually, but yes, it was an army of child soldiers
Lama su said "200,000 units" a military unit can be anything from a brigade/regiment to a squad. But the term unit almost never implies a single soldier. So lets say shes referring to a company (unit most often implies a company). A company has around 200 soldiers. Thats 200,000×200= 40 million. Add that to the additional recruits throughout the war. The clone army was MASSIVE
I'm satisfied with this explanation. About 800 million sounds fine. That could possibly also be about the number of Lego clone troopers living here on earth...
Since most of the times in Clone Wars it shows there are more battle droids than clones in most fight sceens, I'm assuming the number of clankers are triple in total amount.
Which would be what, roughly around 2.5 trillion of them?
So many clones to love
It’s referring to individual clones. There weren’t that many. Look at how small the facilities on Kamino are. In most battles there’s only a handful of generals and their divisions. It makes sense and a unit in production refers to a single product. To the Kaminoans the clones are like a car. Idk why people question this, the scale would be too massive otherwise.
"...the scale would be too massive otherwise..."
Lmfao.
Palpatine also ordered 1 billion Spar-Ti clones, though this is just legends (I think)
Legends is kinda crazy with numbers, the seperatists had enough battle droids to outnumber every sentient being in the galaxy combined.
@@gwaredric2502 I know, I was just explaining that the GAR isn‘t as minuscule as a lot of people think.
This was something I’ve always wondered and I think Lucas just didn’t think about it, but considering a unit a battalion puts my mind at rest so that’s what I’m gonna choose to believe
Can you imagine giving each clone trooper a name? There's probably Cody the II, Rex the II, and so on.
"Well on the way" could also mean the next batch ready for combat. Like for example since they started the cloning process, timing it where they have a million ready for each release period maybe once a month. It's just a theory and I've never done any research on this so take it with a grain if salt.
That’s a lot of Jango’s
Ill cut George some slack, it wasn't animated overtly large in the screen at all but if im not mistaken if hundreds of these cities exist on kamino with underwater facilities then whose to say they arent harboring far more clones.
Admittedly i will say they likely mean "individual troopers" because cloning is an industry for them. They refer to them as units like they refer to them by serial number. From a business standpoint "unit" can mean all manner of things
In the original the word Unit Lama Su refers to are Battalions, not squads. 200,000 battalions is 576 soldiers as he said, 576x200,000 is 113,400,000 clones plus 5 million is 118,400,000 clone troopers, this does not include specialist or otherwise clones as in Bad Batch, Clones like 99, Commandos & ARCs as at the time Obi-Wan talks to them, those clones are viewed as defective & haven't been include in the count of those deemed ready for combat.
So the entire known production of clones is (one hundred eighteen million four hundred thousand) 118,400,000 clone troopers, plus the additional units that aren't mentioned & the 'defective' units. This is still vastly outnumbered by the droid army, but they were far superior in quality. Each clone battalion could taken on entire droid armies without a Jedi present as per their elite training. This number is too small for the entire galaxy, but that is constantly explained in the story. This also doesn't include non-clone combatants such as a few thousand Jedi, civilian & non-clone soldiers fighting on the front lines such as Saw Gerrera, Anakin Skywalker & the Twi'lek's standing army.
Where is that stated?
Where would the Kaminoans have housed these astronomical numbers?
@@liftedmarco4976Nowhere, he made it up
I always assumed a unit to be a Battalion because the highest clone trooper rank we see is a Commander. But there are also the Marshall-Commanders that we see like Cody, Bly and Gree that directly operate under a Jedi General to command multiple different units. The rank of Marshall-Commander seems to just be the title of the Commander chosen by their generals to relay orders to other Commanders.
There’s gotta be at least 8 clone troopers
And at no point during the war, no one in the entire senate thought of asking, "hey, who put the order for these clones and who the heck is paying for all this??"
I agree with this idea wholeheartedly. Though something else interesting to take into account is how the 5 million additional number (which doesn't specify it as being units, btw) Would mean that those 5 million would be completed in 10 years! Unless the Kaminoans had prepared and produced 5 million additional clones JUST for such a purpose, which seem odd, but sure, why not. So we know for sure there are 1.2 million units of clones with 5 million additional clone troopers.
In the Battle of geonosis The general had sent out 252 drop ships 52 Low Altitude Assault Transport dropship and 200 LaaT with 1,500 to 2,500 clone trooper
Better question is. Where all that chow come from? Lol
This also begs how kamino handled this production demands
The galactic republic alone had over 1.3 million planets. The separatists controlled approximately 20,000 star systems, which considering most systems had around 10 planets would warrant 2 million planets. And mandalore led 10,000 neutral star systems that didn’t want to take sides. That adds up to a million. So there’s just shy of 5 millions known habited worlds. Even for just the republics “800 millions” that number would be far too low as it only leaves about 400 clones per planet. It was likely ten times that, as amino wasn’t the only cloning facility