The Star Wars: The Clone Wars iceberg is INSANE, and reveals the deepest and darkest secrets of the Star Wars canon, that have gone yet undiscovered...
3:42 I love how George writing one height joke in Revenge of the Sith meant Dave Filoni had to spend 12 years making sure Anakin and Grevious never met
You're probably thinking of Palpatines VA, Ian Abercromie, who passed away during season 5's production and was replaced by Tim Curry. Christopher Lee didn't pass away until after the show was canceled, and he only voiced Dooku in the movie. Corey Burton voiced Dooku in the series itself.
To be fair, before episode 1 even came out Lucas tried to have a book made that would have linked all of his movies into a single cohesive timeline. So I am not surprised that Indy is canon.
The Republic Propaganda Theory works better to describe the 2003 Clone Wars Micro-Series. The Jedi are almost invincible, the action scenes are very exagerated, and Grievous is portrayed differently. Mike Chen (author of Star Wars Brotherhood) said that his headcanon is that the micro-series is sort of a anime adaptation of some real events.
Agreed. Grevious being an unstoppable Jedi-Killer but conveniently stopped in his tracks by a few arc troopers is just what the Republic needs to justify spending more of their budget on Kamino cloning.
This was my childhood, I’ve watched the series of 7 times. The way the whole story line ties in with Easter eggs and everything is insane. Bad batch analysis soon?
Was it ever commented on why Matthew wood changed the Grievous voice between ROTS and clone wars? Idk how to describe it but it just sounds a lot scratchier and higher in the show
Dude I completely agree I noticed that too. He also had a more Eastern European sound in his voice that he doesn’t really have in the clone wars. He sounds more American in the show which makes sense since Matthew Wood is. Maybe the reason his voice gets more scratchy and less high pitched is because some of the 2003 Tarkovsky clone wars is canon. The final arc of the clone wars semi canonized it because they talk about Chancellor Palpatine getting kidnapped by Grievous and that Mace Windu reported Shaak Ti missing. In the old 2003 series the reason why Grievous originally started coughing was because Mace Windu collapsed his lungs. It’s at least canon that Mace Windu and Grievous had a brief battle minutes before revenge of the sith
Also it tells the backstory of the Rebellion Y-wing model on how it served during the Clone Wars before it got stripped-down and heavily modified into the iconic Rebel original trilogy look.
great video with lots of easter eggs. i suggest that you state when you're progressing from each tier of the iceberg to the next, and also what those tiers were actually classified as. with that aspect being absent, it added some unnecessary confusion as to which points were viewed as lesser known or more secretive comparative to each other
That was a fun Star Wars video overall. Definitely different from the usual. So many cool little facts and details that I had no idea about to begin with. Some more obvious than others.
Nik Sant as Rex is a cool head cannon, until you realize that Nik Sant was killed canonically during the battle of Endor at the shield generator.. while wearing scout trooper armor that he wore to get into the imperial base.
I’m so glad to have discovered Star Wars. Not so glad as to how the fandom turned out. It’s always nice to hear about the lore and to see it come to life through animations and other media projects. I’m honestly hoping warhammer with Cavill gets a similar treatment (in terms of media projects) since most of lore is tucked away in hundreds of novels.
What they could've done to bring in Revan in the Mortis arc was instead of the force ghost guiding the Son The son should've just reflected on the past Sith and their accomplishments during his venting session Of course he could just say it but he could also project them
Growing up with prequels and clone wars in my op is the peak version of Star Wars. We got so much extra lore and comics / books during that time too. now a lot of that is made legends or whatever…😢
Grievous was not in a fatal accident caused by the sith, that is the legends story. In canon he wishes to become a greater warrior by upgrading himself with cybernetics until there isnt much of him left.
The Clone Wars character design was based off the puppets in Thunderbirds which is why their heads are larger than real life, the sharp edges to them is what comes from the 2003 series
Thank you for acknowledging that Legends was just as bad about retcons as the Disney canon is today. It’s a bs delineation used to discredit modern work based on just average legacy work. Both can exist, like what you like, stop begging studios to rehash old material.
There are actually a few different "ways to watch" the show, depending on what your viewing goal is. I'll be dropping a video on this shortly, hopefully that can help
Whilst I love the 2003 version, that is a far more likely candidate for propaganda than the 2008 one. By hyping up Grevious, the Republic can make him seem more scary and justify buying more clone troopers, starships etc. In the 2003 clone wars, we also never get any self-reflection on if the Republic are bad. It spends its whole time glorifying Jedi and Arc Troopers.
Honestly I think the 2003 Clone Wars is more in line with being propaganda Clones are silent badasses fighting for freedom. The jedi bravely defending planets. Grevious is an unkillable monster as opposed to this squirlly general the Republic can't catch
Star wars The clone wars is the best animation of all time l love the animated from 2003 2008 And animation Bad batch series animation tales of the Jedi and tales of the empire animation star wars is the best animation of all time
why couldn't Revan be a force ghost if he was good then bad then good again? I mean anakin was able to turn into a force ghost and it showed bane as well so why didnt they think it would be a good idea
This video was only slightly better than the one made by Star Wars Archives and both are kind of boring, where's the juicy lore, this all feels surface level and no mention of shotguns?
9:22 The shuttle sabotage part of the story isnt canon and thank god for that, as stated in the show Grievous chose to become a cyborg, slowly augmenting his body with machinery over time
@@ultrabigfella Season 1 Lair of Grievous but it comes back in later seasons too We see statues of Grievous before his transformation as a Kaleesh warrior, slowly augmenting his body with cybernetics. This culminates with this exchange he has with his droid doctor "Sometimes I wonder why you submitted to these changes" "IMPROVEMENTS! I chose them, I submit to no one!"
3:41 umm they pay very good attention to the source material wtf you talking about? 😂 People always say kenobi breaks cannon but it doesn’t at all and fills in some gaps
I don’t know enough about 2003 fans to judge but it sounds like you’re getting the Propaganda Theory reversed. 2008 Clone Wars was darker and more violent and the 2003 show had elements that don’t add up in canon like Clones jousting Droids.
Both 2008 and 2003 CWs are cartoon network content and 2003 show has pratically every bit of brutality the 2008 had.Oh and nah.The TCW is propaganda theory came out first.
I love the Clone Wars but can we STOP pretending that it isn't a Kids show? It clearly is. It's not really graphic, most of the action is against droids (who are rarely portrayed as scary) and the dialogue is goofy. Kid's show does not mean bad. It's a great show, and it is also for kids. (Like many other animations, e.g. pixar movies).
I never understood why "Clone Wars" made Anakin look older than Obi-Wan and gave Dooku an 18-inch-long face. The tube top and mini skirt on a 13-year-old Ahsoka seems like a Lucas idea, though.
3:42 I love how George writing one height joke in Revenge of the Sith meant Dave Filoni had to spend 12 years making sure Anakin and Grevious never met
A lot of garbage could've been avoided if GL just spend more than 2 weeks writing each movies
Yet they still made anakin and dooku meet multiple times, even after the line “I’ve doubled my power since we’ve last met.”
And we can recall the meeting of Obi-Wan with Vader when he said that he was not his apprentice. And we see the Kenobi series.
@@andynachos2045 that doesn’t necessarily mean from atoc tho. Although it is insinuated.
@@Enteryourssn Why would his power double from like last week when the clone wars is happening?
“Attention Sergeant on deck!”
“Cmon troopers on the double ! “
That's Geetsly!
Christopher Lee sadly passed and that’s why his legendary voicing skills were absent for the later seasons - RIP Sir Christopher a legend
You're probably thinking of Palpatines VA, Ian Abercromie, who passed away during season 5's production and was replaced by Tim Curry. Christopher Lee didn't pass away until after the show was canceled, and he only voiced Dooku in the movie. Corey Burton voiced Dooku in the series itself.
Christopher Lee passed in 2015, well into the shows run. You're definitely thinking of Palpatine's VA.
Sabines mother is also name dropped and have one line during the initial gunship descent on mandalore
To be fair, before episode 1 even came out Lucas tried to have a book made that would have linked all of his movies into a single cohesive timeline. So I am not surprised that Indy is canon.
Indy isn’t canon, but it is canon to the legends time line.
@@BirdParsons Disney isn’t canon
The Republic Propaganda Theory works better to describe the 2003 Clone Wars Micro-Series. The Jedi are almost invincible, the action scenes are very exagerated, and Grievous is portrayed differently. Mike Chen (author of Star Wars Brotherhood) said that his headcanon is that the micro-series is sort of a anime adaptation of some real events.
I headcanon both of them being propaganda, or in universe retellings based on real events.
Agreed. Grevious being an unstoppable Jedi-Killer but conveniently stopped in his tracks by a few arc troopers is just what the Republic needs to justify spending more of their budget on Kamino cloning.
This was my childhood, I’ve watched the series of 7 times. The way the whole story line ties in with Easter eggs and everything is insane. Bad batch analysis soon?
7:16 Also the Sankara Stones from Temple of Doom too, they can be seen in the backroom of Luthens' relic shop in 'Andor' Season 1.
11:23 Hearing Ridge’s name called out in a long time made me realize: I thought I recognized him somewhere
I mean there was also that comic where Indy and Short Round find the Millennium Falcon, Chewbacca, and Han Solo’s corpse
Bro WHAT
@@niklasfondren2084 it was a legends comic from back in the day
Is this the one where han is killed by native americans
@@Amongus-yu7ft yeah
@@indianajones4321It falls even beneath Contunity canon so,not legends unless you consider everything that isnt canon like Lego games legends
You have the propaganda theory backwards. 2003 show was the propaganda while the 2008 is how it actually was.
that actually makes a ton more sense. mace windu fist fighting droids is the perfect way to beef up the jedi image lol
@@mobstock also grievous also also anakin v ventress
I've seen it used for both, like how there's an announcer at the beginning of each episode, like a republic retelling of each event
I have only ever heard it the way he mentioned.
@@kaleeshsynth9994 The 2008 Series is supposed to be the Good Admiral retelling his War Stories.
Watching this now. I wonder if he managed to find Vadar’s original Clone Wars 2008 design
Was it ever commented on why Matthew wood changed the Grievous voice between ROTS and clone wars? Idk how to describe it but it just sounds a lot scratchier and higher in the show
Dude I completely agree I noticed that too. He also had a more Eastern European sound in his voice that he doesn’t really have in the clone wars. He sounds more American in the show which makes sense since Matthew Wood is. Maybe the reason his voice gets more scratchy and less high pitched is because some of the 2003 Tarkovsky clone wars is canon. The final arc of the clone wars semi canonized it because they talk about Chancellor Palpatine getting kidnapped by Grievous and that Mace Windu reported Shaak Ti missing. In the old 2003 series the reason why Grievous originally started coughing was because Mace Windu collapsed his lungs. It’s at least canon that Mace Windu and Grievous had a brief battle minutes before revenge of the sith
Been watching you for many years man, love the content 🔥
Thanks so much, really appreciate it!
Yo great vid Master Star, was cool to see all of these details. Btw you should do more streams, i really enjoyed the last 1
I'll never forget the time where Jar Jar and a bunch of Gungans kicked the ass of General Grievous.
First time on your channel. Good content. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’ve never heard the theory of Bug being Morgan Elsbeth I hope it’s referenced in tales of the empire
Also it tells the backstory of the Rebellion Y-wing model on how it served during the Clone Wars before it got stripped-down and heavily modified into the iconic Rebel original trilogy look.
great video with lots of easter eggs. i suggest that you state when you're progressing from each tier of the iceberg to the next, and also what those tiers were actually classified as. with that aspect being absent, it added some unnecessary confusion as to which points were viewed as lesser known or more secretive comparative to each other
Thanks for the feedback, certainly will do next time!
That was a fun Star Wars video overall. Definitely different from the usual. So many cool little facts and details that I had no idea about to begin with. Some more obvious than others.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@StarForceOne you’re welcome!
Nik Sant as Rex is a cool head cannon, until you realize that Nik Sant was killed canonically during the battle of Endor at the shield generator.. while wearing scout trooper armor that he wore to get into the imperial base.
I’m so glad to have discovered Star Wars. Not so glad as to how the fandom turned out. It’s always nice to hear about the lore and to see it come to life through animations and other media projects.
I’m honestly hoping warhammer with Cavill gets a similar treatment (in terms of media projects) since most of lore is tucked away in hundreds of novels.
What they could've done to bring in Revan in the Mortis arc was instead of the force ghost guiding the Son
The son should've just reflected on the past Sith and their accomplishments during his venting session
Of course he could just say it but he could also project them
Growing up with prequels and clone wars in my op is the peak version of Star Wars. We got so much extra lore and comics / books during that time too. now a lot of that is made legends or whatever…😢
Morgan’s origin now explained in Tails of the Empire! Great vid Btw
Cool video!
I hope that we get another animated Star Wars movie in theatres. As the animated stuff has been great!
I heard the 3D clone wars art style was also inspired by this british show from the 60's called thunderbirds that was made with puppets
Who here just for the LEGO?
Republic commando is and always will be my favourite Star Wars game of all time
What's the song playing in the background?
Grievous was not in a fatal accident caused by the sith, that is the legends story. In canon he wishes to become a greater warrior by upgrading himself with cybernetics until there isnt much of him left.
Ohhhh shiiiit
Best way to wake up in the morning
I first bought into the Sant as seperate entity theory but now ascribe to my favorite Clone was on Endor. 🤓😎✌🏼
The clone war era
do you have a link to the iceberg?
Thank Mr Obi Wan for teaching me some lore
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there an official Star Wars animation that confirmed that was Captain Rex at Endor
Yes there was!
9:40 this is pretty much confirmed now
Thank Mr Obi Wan 🙏🏾
isnt admiral Yularen in Rebels?
Thank Mr Obiwan
The Clone Wars character design was based off the puppets in Thunderbirds which is why their heads are larger than real life, the sharp edges to them is what comes from the 2003 series
7:50 also in canon revan became a jedi
Am I the only one seeing this after BB S3E14? The Zillo beast still exists being experimented on...cool reference
Thank you for acknowledging that Legends was just as bad about retcons as the Disney canon is today. It’s a bs delineation used to discredit modern work based on just average legacy work. Both can exist, like what you like, stop begging studios to rehash old material.
Didn’t ridge get killed by mail?
3:36 then why can we see his face then?
Thank Mr obi wan
Does anyone know how I can find the clone wars watch order?
There are actually a few different "ways to watch" the show, depending on what your viewing goal is. I'll be dropping a video on this shortly, hopefully that can help
What is it with these iceberg videos on channels? What do they mean?
Iceberg means, as you go down, facts or lore, increases in obscurity. Fewer dedicated fans know the lore, BTS, etc as you descend.
He told us at the start of the video
I mean, star wars is still kids show. Most of fans that say that clone wars isnt a kids show watched it for the first time when they were kids
Whilst I love the 2003 version, that is a far more likely candidate for propaganda than the 2008 one. By hyping up Grevious, the Republic can make him seem more scary and justify buying more clone troopers, starships etc.
In the 2003 clone wars, we also never get any self-reflection on if the Republic are bad. It spends its whole time glorifying Jedi and Arc Troopers.
The clone wars would have been awful republic propaganda. Like imagine using Umbara or the inhibitor chips arc as propaganda.
What means Iceberg ?
Anakin never met Grievous because Palps didn't want his #1 Jedi killer to do in his #1 groomed apprentice 🤷🏼♂️🤓😎✌🏼
Honestly I think the 2003 Clone Wars is more in line with being propaganda
Clones are silent badasses fighting for freedom. The jedi bravely defending planets. Grevious is an unkillable monster as opposed to this squirlly general the Republic can't catch
Star wars The clone wars is the best animation of all time l love the animated from 2003 2008 And animation Bad batch series animation tales of the Jedi and tales of the empire animation star wars is the best animation of all time
why couldn't Revan be a force ghost if he was good then bad then good again? I mean anakin was able to turn into a force ghost and it showed bane as well so why didnt they think it would be a good idea
This video was only slightly better than the one made by Star Wars Archives and both are kind of boring, where's the juicy lore, this all feels surface level and no mention of shotguns?
9:22 The shuttle sabotage part of the story isnt canon and thank god for that, as stated in the show Grievous chose to become a cyborg, slowly augmenting his body with machinery over time
When is in stated in the 08 Show that Grevious chose to undergo the transformation?
@@ultrabigfella Season 1 Lair of Grievous but it comes back in later seasons too
We see statues of Grievous before his transformation as a Kaleesh warrior, slowly augmenting his body with cybernetics. This culminates with this exchange he has with his droid doctor
"Sometimes I wonder why you submitted to these changes"
"IMPROVEMENTS! I chose them, I submit to no one!"
3:41 umm they pay very good attention to the source material wtf you talking about? 😂
People always say kenobi breaks cannon but it doesn’t at all and fills in some gaps
Killing fleeing enemies isn't a war crime
Nah, just learned this, still don't buy it. 9:49 story based obviously but I, well see above 🤓😎✌🏼
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for content aren’t you captain 🤣
Not sure how, icebergs are some of the most interesting content that I watch regularly
Obi wan not have son 😡😡
Or does he
I don’t know enough about 2003 fans to judge but it sounds like you’re getting the Propaganda Theory reversed. 2008 Clone Wars was darker and more violent and the 2003 show had elements that don’t add up in canon like Clones jousting Droids.
Both 2008 and 2003 CWs are cartoon network content and 2003 show has pratically every bit of brutality the 2008 had.Oh and nah.The TCW is propaganda theory came out first.
Propaganda theory is funny asf lol, copium à la max lmao
I love the Clone Wars but can we STOP pretending that it isn't a Kids show? It clearly is. It's not really graphic, most of the action is against droids (who are rarely portrayed as scary) and the dialogue is goofy. Kid's show does not mean bad. It's a great show, and it is also for kids. (Like many other animations, e.g. pixar movies).
2003 CW is GOAT, idc
I never understood why "Clone Wars" made Anakin look older than Obi-Wan and gave Dooku an 18-inch-long face. The tube top and mini skirt on a 13-year-old Ahsoka seems like a Lucas idea, though.