What Survived From Our Universe in Fallout's Post-Divergence?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The Fallout world is not our own, but rather one set in a universe that split off into its own at a fixed point in history. From 1945 onwards, our two universes went in their own directions. However there were still many people and events from our universe who managed to still have a presence in the post-Divergence Universe of Fallout.
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My grandmother was 94 when she passed, once a week my cousin played cards with her and they would jam out to the Fallout soundtracks, she loved it!!!
I love that.
That's wonderful, thanks for sharing that memory with us ❤
Did you teach her how to play Caravan?
God bless her 🙏
what does this even mean? she listened to early 60s music? the fallout soundtrack was 100% not what she was popping on lmao
I refuse to believe that the Fallout Universe did not have Freebird, some inventions are inevitable.
Yesss they have to have freebird
WHAT IS FREEBIRD
What if they have it but it's a Russian freedom protest song?
The "divergence" isn't strictly canon, It's pretty obvious that fallout runs in a separate parallel-ish timeline with just some similar events pre and post 1945.
Take for example, Sunset Sarsaparilla, all over their branding in new vegas it says "Est. 1918" which you might note, is before world war two and many of the theorized "divergence" points.
There is PLENTY more examples but that's the simplest one to explain, I don't think we need to get into ancient aliens and abducted samurais :P
Also yes there can be a "Divergence" with this theory, its the point where stuff REALLY starts to split, but its a gradual curve, not a hard cut off.
Also the existance of zetans (or how ever there spelled) would mean that the fallout universe has been different for our own for atleast billions of years. + THE FACT THAT RADIATION WORKS DIFFERENTLY IN FALLOUT WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN THAT THE FALLOUT UNIVERSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN different from our own.
@@JOJ0606Zetans is the correct spelling but yeah, fallout isnt really a "realistic" franchise
@@Pigness7shut up shut up shut up
I WANT TO BELIEVE
(But yes, I’m pretty sure if you took a million people and slowly exposed them to radiation you wouldn’t have a single ghoul, just a lot of dead people)
Gotta remember old mate finding his alien mask in the desert
Indeed. Everything is a factor and varies/is different gives potential for minimal to some change in comparison to our own timelines. Different elements also seem to vary at different rates, as the changes between sodas seems to have happened before the changes to the US government and general historical events. Though there could be other differences that have not yet been explored, since many people, dates, and events are still left open, even with minor variation such as the presidents elected after the establishment of the 13 Commonwealths.
by far the most confusing thing about fallout is that no new music was made between 1970-2077
disco at the very least, they already have the 1970s era DC subway
The way I've always thought about it is that most of it was lost in the war. After the war some areas have maybe one or two radio stations most of the wasteland probably has no radio stations, so the dj probably just scrounged together 8-20 tracks that are all songs the dj likes or just found what was left of an existing station and the only music left was the older stuff. Gotta remember most places were immediately raided in the aftermath of the great war.
How is that confusing? It's primarily a retro-future 1950s pastiche. It's not really that complicated.
I wonder if the Union of Sovereign Socialist Republics, the plan for reforming/reorganizing the USSR by Gorbachev, was implemented in this timeline. Considering that the USSR and America have fairly friendly relations, this may have occurred.
I've honestly looked before, but cannot find anything beyond what yaboii says in the vid about russia being friends with the usa. Unless I get a copy of the fallout bible but from what I understand it may or may not be considered canon anymore
I’ve seen evidence of trade reports during the Sino-American war in Fallout 3. It seems the Sino-Soviet split occurred and Gorbachev succeeded otherwise the USSR would have been dissolved. The Sino-Soviet split has to have occurred otherwise they would either be at war with the US or actively embargoing them instead of trading with the US in order to maintain their ideological alliance with China.
@@kenterbee3191 I've played alot of fallout 3 over the years and dont remember seeing that. Where is it at? I have the game and only broken steel on ps3 at the moment since the pc version STILL wont work for me even after the update that was supposed to make it work. Thanks for the information btw.
@scotth.janowski2590 don't forget the 4 other games of Canon info. 1, 2, 3, nv, and 4. 76 never happened in my mind, retcons half the lore to make it possible.
That would've led to collapse of the USSR like it did in our timeline. So I strongly suspect the exact opposite.
The Velvet Elvis paintings in Fallout 1 and 2 would also support Elvis being popular into the 1970s.
Two items come to mind that suggest that there were cultural events in common between the universes: Mentats existing implies that Dune was written in 1965. Cheezy Poofs implies that South Park was made in 1997.
The Masticator in Fallout 2 may have based his fighting technique on Mike Tyson.
The Mercenary Captains having the names Blondie, Angel Eyes and Tuco suggests that the Movie The Good, The Bad and The Ugly was made in 1966.
The Animal Friend Perk Pip Boy image is taken from the poster for the movie Harvey from 1950.
The Magic 8 Ball (which was invented post-war in 1946) can give the reply “Yes we KNOW Descent to Undermountain was crap”. Does that mean that Interplay Studios was making games in the 1990’s? That one is hard to wrap my head around.
THE ELVIS MENTION IS IN LEFT 4 DEAD NOT FALLOUT FALLOUT NEVER MENTIONS HIM
@@NigerianCrusader It is a rare item in Fallout 1. It is only found on the crashed space ship encounter. It is in Klamath in Fallout 2. Search the Fallout wiki for “Velvet Elvis”.
the Mentats and Cheezy Poofs don't inherently signify the existence of things from our world. it's not unfeasable for either of those names to have risen independently from the material those names are a reference to?
Fallout 2 featured a bunch of weapons that were developed post-divergence in our world too e.g. the P90 and the H&K G11
Tactics has the Steyr AUG too a weapon developed in 1977
somehow gun manufacturers in that universe developed severe autism and then designed the fallout 4 assault rifle
@@francmarcus8433canonically (per Bethesda’s wordbuilding) the U.S. east coast is a technologically backwards region stuck in the 50s and incapable of rebuilding itself even 200 years following nuclear detonation
Even the 10mm round
Punks actually did survive the divergence. There was a faction of punks on the oil tanker PMV Valdez in Fallout 2 and I seem to recall someone saying they became or assimilated with the Followers of the Apocalypse.
That’s because fallout is a parallel universe than an alternate timeline.
Fallout universe has always been different because 1. Yhe Zetans existance would mean atleast a few billion years of divergence from our world and
2. The fact that radiation works differently from our own universe would mean that the fallout universe has always been different from our own world.
Yes in real world implications there has yet to be a RL version of, "ghoulification." It MIGHT be some type of mutation but my guess is that's largely due to how pervasive FEV is in the Fallout universe.
@@sunayocarissime5309 Thats my headcanon. Ghoulification is an effect of radiations on people who have been exposed to even just trace amounts of FEV in the environment which would otherwise go unnoticed and cause only latent health issues.
@@sunayocarissime5309 If it was radiation alone that caused Ghoulification, the first ghouls would have been one of the Curies or Japanese citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with the Fallout world going crazy about now because those ghouls would be alive in such numbers people would start to notice they are biologically immortal, something that would take longer to understand given Japan's reputation for living a long time.
I tend to look at Fallout as just like our own universe unless explicitly stated otherwise in the games. All of the retrofuture stuff is probably just that, reactionary and nostalgic movements yet to happen, probably not until the the Resource Wars kick off. If you could go to the Fallout universe in 2023 you might not be able to tell any difference.
I think another post-divergence thing to look upon is actually infrastructure and architecture of places. An example being the New River Gorge Bridge which is depicted in Fallout 76 was built in 1977 in our universe
Nothing from 76 should be considered cannon honestly.
@@aslychair3096 real
i think its because the 1970s was still somewhat midcentury culturally but overall the architecture and infrastructure is different and kind of its own thing, look at DC's 1970s subway in fallout 3
also that bridge is probably in the game because iron bridge design is timeless and hasn't needed to change much, i wonder if since they had brutalism in some form if they also had disco
The fact that there seems to be little to no reference to racism against black people may suggest that something akin to the Civil Rights Movement still happened.
Yeah like the civil rights movement happened and racism wasn’t constantly revived by race baiters like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Obama, or the current Woke cultists.
People instead did as Morgan Freeman suggested “stop talking about it” and moved on. Shows you what we could of had. Its a shame really.
Personally I think the divergence goes all the way back to ancient times. Remember Jack Cabot even stated that his father, Lorenzo Cabot, discovered an ancient city in the Rub' al Khali desert and even hinted another one somewhere in the Mojave Desert. This of course is involving the zetans as they had a lot of influence on prewar culture not to mention society in general. Whether or not the Enclave or the world at large was aware of them remains to be said. I do think the Enclave was aware of the zetans existence though.
That’s because fallout is a different universe
The Soviet Union still exist until the Bombs Dropped in 2077... one of the playable characters in fallout 1 (Natasha) was the direct descendant of the Soviet Ambassador to the US.
As a West Virginian, Country Roads never fails to make me a bit teary. It always seems to play when I’m coming home
You may even say that Fallout Tactics is apocryphal.
Meaning: It may be true, but we'll leave the deciding up to you.
There are apocryphal books from the Bible ( both old and new), the Quran
where they are called "satanic" verses, and even the Veda's have false Sutra's.
It's a fun word fandoms should reïntroduce in lore discussions
There are multiple posters of the band tool in fallout 1 and/or 2. For those who don't know, they're a rock band from the 90s
A bunch of the radio songs in new vegas are from the 90s and early 2000s, you just cant tell because they are aesthetically and thematically fitting, which I think is a more important thing to think about than having stuff be from before an arbitrary set date.
@@Pigness7 the wanderer by dion which featured heavily in fallout 4 was from '61 and the 60's songs added into cannon by 76 were good additions imo. Lotta flak gets sent 76's way but its music choices are some of the best in the series.
@@hibikiverney4146 SO true, fallout 76 has pretty heavily shaped my music taste to be honest. I never thought I liked the beach boys or country music but I listen to them a lot now and that's because f76 introduced me to some things like Tennessee Ernie Ford. Even beyond music too I actually really like how fallout 76 kinda toned down the 50s style and felt a little more like it incorporated 60s and 70s stuff without losing its identity, it was very refreshing
Do you think the Twin Towers existed in the Fallout Universe, since it’s inception was in the 1950s?
Who knows they may have been one of the prydwen almost hit on the way to the commonwealth, I don't know where in New Jerseys Atlantic City is at IRL but I've got a faint hope we could see NYC in the distance and see how wrecked it got.
* the (skyscrapers) prydwen*
If the Boston skyline is anything to go by, even if the Twin Towers did exist in Fallout, they probably wouldn't even be the most impressive buildings by the time the bombs dropped. Honestly the design of them wouldn't fit into Fallout's aesthetics anyway. Instead I'm imagining the skyscrapers from Boston or the mega mansions from Fallout 76 but even taller dominating the New York skyline.
@@101Phase Also those faces you see in DC and Boston being EVERYWHERE on the buildings.
@@venator-fb7yy I think the style is Art Deco, which fits well with the Chryslus Building in NYC
I think there is mention of anime in Fallout 2, but that’s second hand knowledge I heard from N_orte.
Reminds me of the fact that the 1950s was a golden era of sci-fi manga with unique and distinct stylings such as Tezuka's earlier works (Tetsuwan Atom/Astro Boy being the big one), Tetsujin 28/Gigantor, or Mister Robot (which differs from the previous two by comedy instead of horrible suffering). I'd love to see those sorts of concepts/artstyles represented in Fallout. Some Japanese made models of automaton with such stylings would add some interesting variety in machines and give an interesting peak at how foreign cultures developed in Fallout.
Well sure the world basically ended but at least we still have big iron playing while spreading terror across the wasteland, what else do we truly need?
The ability to ride deathclaws into battle while listening to big iron?
2 Deathclaws pulling a chariot made from a corvega with REAL miniguns for the best drive-bys!
@@venator-fb7yy hell yes
It's worth noting, I think, that most of the things that carried over into the FO universe were almost all related to people born before the Divergence.
An argument can also be made that the 50s esthetic was the response by a 21st century public at large yearning for what they see as a simpler, more peaceful time.
My personal opinion specific to Fallout 76 is that "Take me home, country roads" is a cover of a John Denver classic by a much later artist
I believe that the original idea of the timeline was identical to our timeline to when the first game was released, so all the music and culture of our world would exist till then minus the small changes in the timeline. Just the far future (2077) took on a jetsons aesthetic and the 1950s style came back around and wasn't omnipresent since the 50s. Even the weapons look real in the old games, IR15 and HK space weapons. I think bethesda changed it tho and just made it 1950s forever type thing when fallout 4 rolled round.
"The weapons look real in the old games" yeah I can tell you've never played fallout one, just like, look at the 10mm SMG from original fallout, yeah looks very realistic to me and not at all retro stylized. Everyone always uses the weapons from fallout 2 and tactics for some reason and very much ignore the original game's intentions. So yeah the games were never intended to be the same as our timeline, they've always been retrofuturistic separate timeline.
@@Pigness7 True for example, the 10mm is outrageous as are the rest of the fictional guns. I have played and completed one and 2 not tactics. My point was how i have always viewed it, the timeline diverging in the future rather than the past. Its my head cannon.
If Elton John survives, could that mean Eminem survives too?
Hardly. There's not Hip Hop music in the fallout universe. However, there is Three Dog which it's equivalent fallout version of Snoop Dogg, but Three Dog is just merely a radio host for Galaxy News Radio, playing 1950s music.
The main shift in history seems to be that the United States was unable to secure the Petroleum dollar contract with the Middle East and Europe after World War 2, leaving the United States to rely heavily on nuclear energy. Batteries would go on to be replaced with nuclear power cells. All the cars you see are essentially electric cars. The conflict in Vietnam would still have happened because its roots lay within its relationship with France pre World War 2. None of the conflict in the Middle East would have taken place except perhaps Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in the early 80s.
Essentially, the United States has relatively controlled the entire globe by leveraging the petrodollar. Without this in fallout, the United States is not nearly as aggressive, and much more militaristic and self reliance, self defense distant leaves much room in the way of liberalism.
Early, I found a note in 76 that referenced FDR.
I do like looking at the constants and variables between our universe and Fallout, thanks for this video
NOW YOU GO PLAY DAGGERFALL ITS A GOOD GAME
I thought the divergence was the invention of the transistor in our universe, and the continued dependence on vacuume tubes in the Fallout universe?
Maybe Finland could have survived in the fallout universe for atleast a few weeks or months after the great war,
Because 1. Finland would, like in our own universe during the cold war be neutral and it wouldn't have been directly nuked by enyone
2. Finland would have probably continued the policy of making enough bomb shealters for it's population (that started during the cold war) all the way up untill the great war, so most of the Finnish population would probably have survived the great war and the resolting *fallout* in my opinion for atleast a while.
are you from Finland?
@@olmeno yes
A lot of other countries would survive. Switzerland, assuming they continues to pursue their policy of neutrality, would have a head start and a significant advantage due to their numerous bunkers
@@williamgandarillas2185 yeah, but it would probably get a lot More fallout because it's right next to France and Germany which would probably get nuked pretty hard
cool im from poland and it probably would have been one of the first places to go
Good lord, your demographics show that I am a unicorn. Well, goat with a paper towel tube taped to my head.
Although relations were improving, I’m pretty sure the USSR was still antagonistic, as PAM in FO4 was asked by the DIA of the likelihood that China the Soviet Union launch a coordinated nuclear strike. Which they wouldn’t have asked if the US didn’t consider them an enemy.
Short answer:
Anything the game designers wanted to caricature and mock.
Regarding 'counter cultures' in Fallout - the Atom Cats were 'Hipsters' or 'Beats'. The Beats pre-dated the hippies - they are just right for the Fallout 50's-orientated universe. Most famous Beats in real life are Jack Kerouac and Ned Flanders' parents.
I think the Atom Cats are great - wish there were some decent quests associated with them!
Be nice if their jukeboxes had some extra tunes - but I imagine licencing hits from those days would be expensive. They would be more Eddie Cochran than Frank Sinatra - but of course jazz was really their thing.
Hell yea wonder if green day survived maybe
Dude, you act like you don't know the Fallout Universe diverged from ours way before the time it says it did on the back of the box. Cough: The Cabbots.
Completely separate timeline, just similar anchor points between our two timelines.
A declaration of war was never made by the US against Viet Nam. It wasn't a "war" it was a police action
Plus tactics isnt strictly canon
i think the Hippie movement arose in the 2060s instead of the 1960s.
there is a npc in fallout 1 or 2 that says that either the brotherhood or the enclave's power armor was like something out of an anime he watched. cant remember many details as i heard about this a while back but it would make sense for anime to exist as astro-boy what many consider to be the first anime came out in the 60s
no that im looking into it, the npc may not exist
what would gundam have been like in the fallout universe
The Republic of Dave will lead us to victory!
I believe the divergence happened over decades, I believe the proof is in weaponry. Some weapons in game were developed in the mid 60s
While it was definitely a licensing thing. My HC in universe is that Elvis' music was lost in the great war and the subsequent years but not his image and memory. Those who survived the great war passed down his mannerisms and accent at the kings impersonation school, which is why we see them impersonating him, but never hear his music. Over time his history was lost too, but again not his image.
8:19 half true but half false, the 50s style, mannerisms, music and clorhing styles still continued on strong, but the 50s tradition like anti interacial marriage and anti gay stances are not prevalent. In the beginning of fallout 4 when youre leaving the neighborhood, one of the neighborhors seem to be a lesbian couple hugging eachother before the bombs dropped.
Also John Henry Eden says he's an amalgamation of previous presidents, and the voice is very reminiscent of Nixon
I didn't realize Elton John exist in the Fallout universe.
Same, although in my headcanon to explain the music of the Fallout world is that the British invasion never happened so Elton John sure is throwing a wrench in that
Their world is better because Raid Shadow Legends and My Little Pony never existed in it.
Retro NonCredibleDefense would be insane. OTL NCD would be tamer than what the average person is like.
I haven't seen it mention yet, but i'm pretty sure that the "day tripper" drug from fallout 4 is a direct reference to the song from the Beatles which then implied they also existed, it's also corroborated with the quote "Give peace a chance" we can see at 09:29 which is also a 1969 John Lennon's song.
Got my coffee ready- HYPED.
Before i watch this video, one of the things that i think not only still happened but was actually successful in the fallout timeline were Gorbachev's Reforms of the 1980s as by the 2070s the US and USSR seem to be on good terms
I do agree with this. The Soviet Union, in its Union of Socialist Sovereign Republics scheme, likely lasted in a weakened state until the bombs dropped. It would have been under Red China's heel, though.
While fallout shelter isn’t cannon Michale Jackson must have been somewhat popular. once you do the quest to save bottle and cappy, once they visit the players vault cappy can be seen doing the moonwalk! I’d love to see what others think of this!
I heard 1970's music in Fallout 76. Do ya'll think Micheal Jackson existed in the Fallout world?
I think it makes sense that the hippie culture would get doing the rounds with new generations in that type of sociopolitical environment. Think about it. The counter culture that started with Beatniks. then Greasers, Hippies, and Punks all came around. But there were some serious music and world events that changed the way people saw the ideals of these counter cultures, making the ideals many of them held, to not seem as radical. Slowly, as Rock'n'Roll Lyrics became more serious, these ideals spread to more and more. That and the Vietnam war really shook things up, hard, for nearly every person in America - which makes me think that it might not have happened in Fallouts Universe. It would make the most sense for it to have not happened, no? That and beyond the fact that Todd doesn't think to hire good small artists to create new Rockabilly tunes for Fallout or even make a single radio station with 10-12 newly written songs... Beyond that... It seems like there isn't as much change in music. It makes me believe that the FCC kept a close leash on raio and record companies, making sure it was illegal to create anything upsetting or obscene, which for the government means anything that would change the status quo. It's sad... There are a lot of themes and obvious scandals that have to have happened in this universe to keep it stuck in time like this, and yet they never have the balls to explore the sinister implications of a culture that doesn't change from such a plastic-perfect, amercan dream chasing, hippie-ashing, and apple pie loving America lol
1. The Vietnam War could have happened. Rather than the USSR propping up Ho Chi Mihn and Marxists in North Vietnam after the colonial rebellion against France, a super powerful Red China could have invaded an unified Republic of Vietnam or even Empire of Dai Nam (depending on Ho Chi Mihn's role, internationalist beliefs, and presence), or the split between North and South could have happened like in RL, with Red China being the North Vietnamese backer instead. Since Korea was cucked by Red China (I assume), I imagine that Red China would be a lot more ambitious and likely superior to the USSR in tech, influence, and proxies.
2. From what I can gather, given the way non-whites are treated, racial reconciliation either happened on time or happened early. Despite the propaganda, the fifties' main Hellscape was for the black man, and even then, principally in the Old South.
3. For society to remain stuck in time like the fifties, the preservation of racial segregation would NOT need to occur. That is propaganda.
As I understand it, the date of the “Divergence” is very fluid and there are many things different throughout the broader 1900s, but in a way that allows the creators to basically pick and choose what they want from our universe.
IIRC, some Fallout 3 or 4 concept art has a piece of Chinese text that mentions a certain free and independent island nation the inner kingdom hates being free and independent as a military target. The existence of that state implies a significant chunk of post 1945 Asian history is pretty similar or has some wild convergent evolution as that state was such a linchpin for many events. (On a related note. Given that island nation first had free and fair elections *during* Fallout 1's development, the state of its government would be an interesting target for divergence.)
Various post 1940s cartridges such as .308/7.62x51, 5.56/.223 or .44 Magnum exist in Fallout. Though also worth mentioning that popular theory among those knowledgeable enough to care about such things is that Fallout's 10mm Auto, being relatively puny especially compared to .45 ACP, is not the same as our 10mm Auto and instead actually something closer to what we call .40 S&W. Also worth noting is that Fallout Tactics gives the name of 7.62x51 NATO as 7.62x51 NATO. As far as I can tell, this is the *only* time NATO is mentioned in the franchise (which given it's a small text implication in Tactics...).
The “screaming eagle” handmade skin in 76 also has “7.62x51mm NATO” stamped on the side (despite the fact that, in game, it actually uses 5.56 rounds, but anyway)
Of course, the canonicity of atom shop items is also questionable at best, but it is arguably proof NATO existed in modern fallout lore
Dr. Chase reads fall-out lore
Minor point, Sam Nguyen's last name is pronounced "Winn".
The evidence suggests it came in phases.
1. In the 50s transistors aren't invented. This is the initial divergence, but IRL they took a while to catch on so this doesn't cause immediate knock on effects. There's also stuff like the first game clearly establishing WW2 and the immediate aftermath happening the same or the Vegas sign being around(which opened in 1959). So it's 100% our timeline until the mid 50s when transistors aren't invented though it's still 99% our timeline for the rest of the 50s.
2. The other big shift is that Fusion isn't invented. The power side of this doesn't matter much(we still don't have it IRL, and it only showed up in the Fallout verse in 2076 too late to save the world). but in terms of bombs it causes knock on effects in military strategy in the latter half of the 50s.(The US got it's first Fusion Prototype in 1952 and the first usable and deployable one in 1954, the Soviets got their first prototype in 1953 and their first fully functional deployable one in 1955. However, it took a couple years for production to rev up and they were far heavier and thus couldn't fit on mid 50s missiles and couldn't be loaded in mass on bombers. As such for a while the focus was on minmaxing bomb power since you'd probably only get to drop a few, hence the late 50s and early 60s saw so many monster bombs like the B41 or Tsar. Then missile technology caught up and the race changed to mass producing midsized hydrogen bombs which continued for the rest of the cold war). Atomic Bombs IRL were still the primary focus of military doctrine until the early 60s, by which point H Bombs had gotten bigger, missiles had gotten better, and fusion stockpiles were rapidly swelling in number, so while the initial effects of not having the 'super' start in the early 50s the big knock on effects come a decade later. Probably means more Ivy King sized atom bombs.
3. The last IRL song to be fully featured, in whole, in game, unedited, is from 1962. Two songs from 1962 are in Fallout 4. There's also only like 4 between 60 and 61. This to be implies the single biggest transition point happened in 1962. Given the timing, I suspect it's this worlds version of the Cuban Missile Crisis. That crisis was what ultimately cemented a nuclear war to be 'unwinnable' and brought in the doctrine of MAD. Prior to that in the 50s both sides genuinelly thought it would be costly, but winnable. Perhaps in the Fallout timeline all the smaller things I mentioned in the 50s come to a head here. Without the threat of massive fusion bombs and with more miscommunications without the military using the newly invented transistors(which is only just starting irl around that time they took a bit), perhaps a limited nuclear exchange occured over Cuba. Atom bombs, so neither side was wiped out, but enough to permanently and massively shift the timeline.
4. Despite this, plenty of figures born prior to the main divergence already existed and had their formative years happen. So plenty of people still existed in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and were roughly similar as they still had their childhoods or young adult years before the split. But the further forward you go the less and less there is.
5. Without fusion bombs, focus would have been on massively increasing Atom Bomb stockpiles(which are already more radioactive pound for pound and less efficient) and stuff like Cobalt salted weapons could easily take off to increase the deterrent and threatening capability. Hence how nightmarish the 2077 war is.
The .44 magnum survived for sure as did the PPK and Kalashnikov design.
Music transferred too.
The Culture is 20-60's era with a focus on science . No cultural revolutionary action took place. No March Through the Institutions. No successful Marxist subversion of the Institutions.
"It wasn't the goths or the punks"
Fallout raiders are punks through and through and Bittercup and the Family from Fallout 3 are absolutely goths.
Something you missed though is how it seems as though at some point the civil rights movement happened, succeeded, and apparently included queer people too. Since in every Fallout game no one seems to care if you're queer or not with a lesbian couple even being shown in the Pre-War section in Fallout 4 and Fallout New Vegas having queer romance options.
My assumption is that due to the boogeyman of anti-capitalist, socialist commies Americans really didn't give a shit what your ethnicity was, what gender you were attracted to, or even what gender identity you had. As long as you hated commies and loved America you were A-Okay in their book.
A lot of writers when talking about Alternate History don't seem to take into account that things would change more and more. In theory 5 years after the Point of Divergence the world should be unrecognizable. Code Geass is especially guilty of this with the American Revolution and Napoleonic Wars still happening. Having two of the same Presidents is a stretch already. Maybe Nixon was elected in 1960 and Reagan was elected in 1976.
The only thing that doesn’t make sense about the oldies music in fallout is why is there no new band old tunes.
In other words in the file universe, we know that there’s new movies being produced all the way up until the bomb dropped, but everyone is still dancing to Sinatra. No personally I love 1950s and 60s music my only point is why is there no newly developed music that sounds like that like why isn’t there a band like the jersey boys that were popular in the year 2050
I recently discovered this channel because of my love for fallout lore.
This material is incredible and a lot better than some sources I've known for years.
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Id like to think that Rock and Roll never took off because there was no Transistor Radio. Without the Transistor Radio theres no Rock and Roll counter culture. So maybe Rock and Roll died after the 70’s
6:42 epic codz reference
Those gangster stereotypes aren't 1940s/'50s stereotypes, they're more like earlier 1920s/1930s stereotypes.
Gotta love the universal Johnny Guitar hate. I mean like...across the board with New Vegas fans
I want a cannon Trump vs Biden debate god dammit. Fucking Obamna memes are CONNON IN FALLOUT.
I find it interesting why you think the hippie subculture has died out in our world today. I can assure you that is not true.
Video games, fallout 4 has holotape video games you can play.
do you think weezer existed in the fallout universe
What about trump and the Elvis mention is in left 4 dead not fallout
the eshay mention threw me off guard! haha
I suspect that in the Fallout universe JFK never became president and Nixon became president in 1961 instead, maybe serving several terms before Regan was finally elected.
kennedy’s brother didn’t die in ww2 in a bombing accident and became president instead
Coca-Cola was invented in 1886. It *had* to exist in Fallout. Why is *Nuka-Cola* not a copyright infringement in-universe?
Maybe coca-cola went bankrupt Long before Nuka-cola existed
@@JOJ0606 Wouldn't surprise me if John-Caleb Bradberton were responsible in some way *for* it.
Because fallout isnt set in our timeline, so its equally possible that coke never existed.
@@Pigness7It's possible, but then the 40s wasn't really the divergence point, was it? Hell, maybe it wasn't. Sunset Sarsaparilla doesn't exist in the real world, but *it* predates the supposed divergence time.
@@tonystank3091 you could say that the fallout universe had diverged when the Zetans evolved
+ The laws of Physics also work differently from our own universe so the fallout universe has probably been different since the big bang
I generally ponder how presidential politics is affected by America changing from 50 states to 13 commonwealths. The states have 2 senators each and affect the electoral college. Does changing from 50 states to 13 commonwealths change how the US elected presidents? I generally feel they way they won election would have likely changed if the system itself that selected electors changed.
I recall the Fallout Wiki noting how the majority of US presidents still became president. A lot of fallout theorists say that MacArthur won the 1948 election against Democrat Harry S Truman but I haven’t really found direct fallout sources of this, all I recall is that the wiki did never mention Truman though, so even if untrue it may still be left open until proven otherwise.
FYI by every President I mean most up till the original release of Fallout 1 in 1997. The Fallout wiki has taken from in game content such as the museums and other fallout sources, a fair amount of the presidents are mentioned, so large amounts of the timelines appears the same for the 19th Century. For the 20th Century there appears to be more divergence, obviously as that is where the series gets its aesthetic.
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I should note that Red China invaded RL Vietnam at some point after the Vietnam War, and was repulsed by the Vietnamese. Perhaps in "Fallout", given the calmness of the USSR (and its likely subordination to Red China, since they are the real power), I imagine that America's role in Vietnam was to repulse an outright Red Chinese invasion, rather than causing one after McArthur crossed the border between North Korea and China, as he did in RL.
There is also the song I don't want to set world on fire by The ink Spot in Fallout 3. And there Abraham Lincoln even has a doll of him in fallout 3. By help the slavery escape their give us a bit of background history of Abraham Lincoln in civil war.. and I forgot to mention there song in Fallout 4 Call Wanderer by Dion.. idk the lore about it why it's popular in Diamond city Radio
Its crazy that the same culture and household technologies such as cameras, phones, and dress clothes were maintained for a full century.
that is strange to think about even just taking the original two into account
from now on everyone make a list of everything advertised to them of pre-video ads and specifically put effort into not buying anything they show, lets not just make youttube ads a dead thing of the past but one which destroys any company that tries to use it. boycott UA-cam advertisers
I do prefer the John Denver version
One thing that survived is Glock because the plasma pistol in fallout 1 and 2 which is also the plasma defender in New Vegas is a Glock 86
I've always found that Fallout works best if you try to ignore the idea that it takes place in the late 21st century. In my headcanon I have squished everything into a shorter timeline where the nuclear war happens in the 90's (when Fallout 1 came out), obviously they never got past the American Dream crap, so culture in the 80's and 90's, and even the 70's, was more like a repeat of the 60's.
What about plasma and lazer guns, micro nuclear reactors, nuclear cars, etc..
Those are incredibly advanced techs for the 80/90's
More proof of hippies existing is the Mr. Gutsy in Fallout 4 "Professor Goodfeels" who runs an abandoned hippie commune
One more thing, the DIA (founded in 1961 irl) was still founded in the Fallout universe as they are mentioned in Fallout 4.
8:12 the issue with the counter culture movement still occurring in this timeline is that in our timeline it was heavily funded and influenced by the Soviet Union, to the point where most of our counter culture wouldn’t have happened in the US was friendly with the USSR. The only way a massive Vietnam era counter culture movement would have occurred would have either been that the soviets still attempted to influence US culture or the Chinese took their place
Given the power of Red China, I just assume that they took the place of the proxy fundraiser and infiltrator that rotted, or tried to rot, American culture.
I find it very funny that the photo used in the thumbnail isnt actually Elvis, but an impersonator.
The AR platform seems to have been developed at some point, though it's operation seems a bit different from OTL.
Some of the songs from the fallout universe I knew before I started playing fallout.
I'd like to be in the timeline where the next Fallout game is likely to arrive before actual Fallout
8:19 that’s not what fallout was supposed to be originally but that’s what it turned into
Surprised the eshays don’t make it through nuclear wars
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised that the hippie movement would survive longer in this timeline.🐱
unlikely given how pro establishment the prewar society was
@@Pigness7 there were hippie communes up until the day the bombs dropped as demonstrated in 4. You smoking stronger stuff than me and them.
Hippies still exist in full force in 2023 here in America
The big one for me is country roads is 1971 meaning music had progressed beyond rock n roll like you have things like helter skelter, paranoid, immigrant song. So heavier sounds should be present but we never hear it only idea I have is it didn’t really catch on in the American market as rock is fairly British dominated especially in that early scene with led zeppelin, deep purple, black sabbath. Like what we hear on radio in fallout is more a nature of social politics of the world then the fact music didn’t progress It seems more like a nationalistic resurgence of the good old days if you take into account the less forced 50s vibes of fallout 1&2.
I mean we know that Europe underwent enough of a change at some point to basically be gone even by the time of the Great War. I could imagine the kind of economic prosperity utilizing atomic tech could have drastically shifted everything culturally enough for a lot of that sort of music to just not have occurred at the time especially with regards to the British Invasion.
The you let the blues move in song was in the 1990’s.
pleh ther ah
Beduins did
I'm pretty sure the Soviet Union must have existed. The Worldmaps in the Game display Germany within the Borders of 1990. Without Pommern and Schlesien. So it is very likely that Germany has been defeated and been divided by the western Allies and the Soviets. The Soviets gave Pommern and Schlesien to Poland. And in 1990 with the 4+1 Treaty about the German Reunion these Territories have been ultimately given to Poland. So in the Fallout universe Germany must have been divided after the War and has reunited under the Conditions of our Universe.
A lot of the former Soviet states are also independent on these maps. I like the explanation that the Fallout "USSR" was a "union" of just Russia (who might not even be communist) and nobody else by the time of the Great War, clinging to its former glory like Russia always has since the days Napoleon defeated himself against it.
Mooks
Slipknot is Canon to the fallout universe!
bababooey
Whats the name of the song at the begining, please?