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@@joseenriquez9274 Imu the all seeing eye definitely knows every thing about shanks even he’s secret origins. Maybe he just doesn’t acknowledge him cause he’s plans are bigger than shanks? who knows ?
Im's reveal never bothered me, but I wish the empty throne was brought up before the reveal of Im to give the empty throne more significance and add a tad more shock factor
AGREED!!! I dont care for the idea of an "Empty throne" but if it was empty, even to us, it would've surprised us if there was a build up then a reveal that Im-sama is actually on said throne lol
Considering how shady the World Government is, the twist probably would've been dragged out and predictable if the Empty Throne was introduced too early.
I think it would have had the opposite effect. If the empty throne was introduced in part 1 for instance readers would have long theorized that someone is calling the shots. Especially after doflamingos “Someone even higher up” (higher than sengoku)
Another reason why Imu's existence has always made sense is because of how long the void century is hidden from the world. It's hard to expect a set of five individuals work together without conflict for this long if there's no one above them, even harder if they're not 800+ years in age and authority keeps passing over generations
Not really. This type of explanation is not a true explanation. “It’s hard to expect 5 individuals to work together without conflict for so long”, there are trying to use real life logic into the one piece world to explain a fantasy concept. Wether X organization is competent or not is determined by the author- not the narrative. In the real world, no matter what happens- there is always an explanation for everything because cause and effect are universal principles. If one piece was a real world- Luffy dying by drowning at sea because he slip and fell would be real and effective. But in the world of manga- this is never going to happen. Same way, wether the 5 elders could have been doing eveything without Imu or not doenst depend on them- it depends on oda wanting a king of the world or not.
based on what? You’re conflating conflict with full on de-stabilising. They could have disagreements on a lot of things, there’s five of them so they can always just vote to settle a dispute.
I would argue 1200 chapters is VERY conservative. 1200 chapters would mean just 143 chapters left. 143 chapters for Elbaf, the moon, Raftel, every strawhat's dream, the fall of the WG, Blackbeard, Dragon, Akainu, Im, Shanks, all the deep lore, all mysteries, the potential epilogue, etc. Given that a rushed Wano took 128 chapters, 143 chapters to cover all of that seems extremely rushed.
Yeah I'm definitely leaning towards 1500 personally, and I mean Oda said the final "saga", which would make it somewhat equivalent to the 500 chapter Wano Saga, so we're probably about 2/3 of the way done.
1300 chapters seems more reasonable to me. 30 chapters to elbaf and establish the arena for the final war. 100 chapters for the final war and then a final battle against in sama or bblackbeard, something like that, and end all the plot withtin the last 100 chapters Also, it would make the journey 100 chapters to start, 500 to make it to the middle, 500 more to go to the end (1100 then) and 200 more of epic conclusion
Comparing IM to Kaguya is insane, Ive watch Naruto for more than a decade and we all thought that the final villain was Madara or Obito it was definitive and suddenly out of nowhere in the final battle she shows up like hello I guess I'm the final villain like what, it's true that IM was introduced late game but if he end up being the final villain he will end up being introduced in the final like 6 years run of the series that's not bad.
Bruh they could have shown the empty trone around chapter 400 and then show that it was actually not empty when im was revealed and no one would have complain ever
@@gastonsantiagoparada6075 Wouldn't that be fairly obvious then? At around chapter 400 you talk of the Empty Throne. And, Doffy talks of someone higher up. Then, Akainu's question of is there someone above the Gorosei? The Empty Throne is way too much of a hint to his existence imo. The shock wouldn't be nearly as big as it currently is.
kaguya wasn’t even a bad final villain. like bro we never truly new what created black zetsu or what he even truly was. he became full circle when we find out he’s kaguya’s will. bro that gave kaguya aizen level thinking and planning and also lead to the creation of boruto. let’s also not forget naruto and sasuke weren’t even strong enough to kill her. if not for kakashi and obito the main characters would literally be dead 🤷🏾♂️ like bro kaguya was a demon 😂
Well even Kaido was "introduced" years before wano started. And yet... In the end we didn't get the full picture of him and his past and it felt somewhat lacklustre/not fully fleshed out
It's really important for us fans to constantly remind ourselves that One Piece and Oda should never be elevated above constructive criticisms, but on the other hand there is such a strong rapport at this point. I mean it's been more than 2 decades at this point and in the long run Oda has rarely, if ever, fallen short of expectations. I might seem like a blind fan boy, but I think the reality is I trust Oda at this point and I'm going to wait until everything plays out before saying something stupid like "Im = Kaguya".
Yea like I’m not rly a big fan of how Oda handled Yamato in Wano and I’m not afraid to criticize him for it, but in the long run it doesn’t have a major impact on the big picture story he’s telling, we’re still gonna see epic showdowns against Blackbeard and the Marines/WG, go to laugh tale, and find the one piece regardless of if Yamato was with the crew or not.
Yes, I think this is generally fair. Oda is not some kind of infallible god, but he has done a pretty good job for a very long time. I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he will handle it well instead of poorly. If we're wrong, well, THEN we can open the floodgates of criticism. At this point, the most pressing concern for Oda surely has to be to stick the landing correctly. We all know that a bad ending can easily ruin a story, and for a story that's been so good for a literal quarter century plus (likely three decades by the time it's actually finished) to crash and burn at the last hurdle would be a tragedy of historical proportions. Naruto's fumbled ending was bad enough that people still complain about it now, and Naruto didn't have nearly as much buildup as One Piece does at this point. But of course Oda obviously has to KNOW that, and there's no way he decides to just get lazy when working on the climax to his 30-year-long epic. One Piece MIGHT have a bad ending, but if it does, it won't be because Oda didn't bother to try, it'll probably be because of a dumb decision that everyone disagrees with.
Yeah. He's just a dude and the fanbase often forgets that he isn't some infallible god (with them screaming "GOATDA, GODA, etc and shutting down legitimate critique). He makes bad calls and considering that were 1057 chapters in and no giant cracks have started to form yet, I'm still optimistic about what the future holds. Wano unfortunately had two major cons, Yamato and the ending being rushed for Film Red (it could have used 5 more chapters) but it was also a great arc on average. Not the best, but not even close to middle of the road for me. Some people are obviously going to hate the ending no matter what, but I hope what he did with the gear 5 form and follows his own gut (like he did with enies lobby and marineford and dressrosa and even whole cake island) and passion rather than letting some publisher and a bunch of people on the internet pressure him into following their vision. We'll just have to wait and see what the man does in the future, and I hope that he can deliver something amazing.
As someone who's been reading weekly since Enies Lobby, I have to say I really feel disappointed with Wano. I'm fine with the story taking different routes than I imagined, but lately, it feels rushed. Oda plants seeds without giving us the reveals; plants seeds that don't go anywhere; plans overly complex stories with too many characters, and off-screens important developments... It doesn't feel right. And I'm still very skeptical of Luffy's role as a Messiah figure and how unearned and unrealistic (by OP standards) gear 5 felt. I'm honestly not feeling it at the time being. He should go back to the basics a bit more, IMHO.
Probably, but try to imagine drawing weekly manga for over 25+ years. I really hope one piece ending would be epic amazing fantastic, but even if the ending turns out to be lame, doesn't make sense, unsatisfied, terrible and all that, I'll still respect goda for all his work till now
I've been saying for a long time now that mangakas are really bad at finishing their stories. Even though I enjoy anime and manga, almost all of them have super weird endings (when they get one)
I don't necessarily think that's the case. Really, all that *needs* to happen now is Shanks and luffys meeting, finding the one piece, and the end war. That's maybe three arcs, and wano was easily the largest arc in the story. The one piece probably won't need more than twenty chapters dedicated to it. The hard part will be wrapping up shanks + Blackbeard + the WG in that time-- which could conceivably be done in an arc or two.
Comparing Im to Kaguya is kind of harsh. I didn’t even know there were people who thought that. I mean, sure, Im, if you didn’t pay attention to what is apparently Oda’s mastery of subtle context, did seem to just appear as a new boss to overcome in the future, which has been a norm for the One Piece world for a very, very, very long while now, that’s just all we know about him so far. We just know that he is the true ruler of the world and is most likely the final boss of the series, but we don’t even know what he looks like, his powers, his character in general, hell, it’s been the same with Vegapunk for the longest time to the point that I still can’t believe we finally got to see him appear in the manga, even though it’s the reveal I’ve been longing to see the most! Kaguya was a totally different case. The first time she was mentioned was an entire exposition dump of who she is, her relevance to the story, what had happened to her and the story trying to convince us how important she was to both the narrative all the way into the approaching climax of the War Arc despite never being foreshadowed, mentioned or alluded to until the same chapter revealing her backstory, and then next time we see her, she just appears as the True Final Boss thanks to a shadow that was apparently her will manifested to control everything within the world for thousands of years down to every single event because plot, and then boom, face-off, character death, she loses, then we treat her like a Big Lipped Alligator moment and get back to the real meat of the story. I’m sorry about the tangent, but like I said, making such a comparison is harsh. Besides, throughout the story, Oda made it feel like that the World Goverment was all run by one single entity, and not a collective. We didn’t need Im to have been mentioned once and yet he still blended so seemlessly into the story because we had been feeling his presence the entire time. Be honest, we all knew that the World Government was going to one day fall, but we knew it wasn’t going to happen just by destroying all their bases, ending the rule of the Word Nobles, convincing the world to stage a revolt, or toppling the heart of their operations. We all knew that it would all topple after the defeat of one man, one thing, and that thing is Im. The One Piece villain we knew was there, who has been there since the beginning, and yet we never saw coming.
I’ve never heard people compare Imu to Kaguya . One was revealed hundreds of chapters ago . Meanwhile the other was revealed like 10-20 chapters before the end of the series ..
The main reason that the introduction of kaguya was so incredibly poorly implemented was due to the fact that it was like a gagreel of cross doublecrossed. What i mean by that is obito getting doublecrossed only for madara to eventually be doublecrossed out of the blue. Like you couldnt even give them a proper unique ending
Well oda could introduce imu that late and it would still make sense for imu to exist. Hell oda could even pull that same alien plot point and it would still make sense because of enel.
Bruh, whoever compared Naruto's Kaguya and Imu probably smoked and high af. They forgot that Kaguya were introduced literally at the peak of the 3rd arc of the longest arc in Naruto. She also steals the spotlight from Madara in the most awful way possible as well lmao. Not only that, Kaguya does not have a single 'breadcrumbs' to trace back to. No one expecting that Chakra is actually come from alien fruit, let alone drawing connections to Ootsushiki clans (cmiiw on the spelling) and it's bloodline. The ancient sage, whose children splits into Uchiha and Senjuu, have no prior information that might suggest that he came from some ancient alien bloodline. The ancient sage might as well be just some dude who're so good with Chakra usage in the 1st place (kinda like the Avatar in Avatar: the Legend of Aang series). This is different than Imu. Imu is basically the king of the world at this point. We knew that the WG is the peak hierarchy, and even then it's more of a collective kings and rulers that forms a powerful ruling organization. Is it a stretch that in that someone, who with enough power and influence, manage to be the the 'ruler' of rulers, the 'king' of kings. Think of it like U.N Security Council members to U.N nations (maybe ?), but instead of 5 permanent members, this is just one guy 07:50 also Adolf
Oda did an excellent job of hiding this final boss character but also threw some really interesting and well thought hints about his or her existence I agree with the statement that Imu isn't some final boss that came out of nowhere but actually he was planned and hinted from the very start. Honestly just the thought,not hints or clues about a secret boss that rules everything behind the shadows was on our minds..a being higher than the supposed highest status
@@zoulzopan with the amount of retcons Oda has made in his story, I'd say most of it hasn't been planned from the beginning. In fact, I am like 90% sure Oda hasn't even decided what the One Piece is yet. Everyone who thinks he's planned everything from the beginning is a weenie fan boy who think's he is some kind of god and doesn't at all understand how storytelling and the writing process is achieved... here's a few things Oda never planned from the beginning: Nika Fruit, Imu, Sabo, Shanks being a Yonko, Germa... could go on all day
Oh I can't wait for when Luffy is about to face off with Imu, one of the goresei will stab Imu and say that you were only a means to an end for the return of Mr Morj. Then Morj emerges from Imu's body and after a moment of silence declares: "It's Morjin time, baby!". Jump cut to "TO BE CONTINUED".
A consistent issue with One Piece and Oda is that while ideas and characters are introduced, they often don't develop anywhere near as strongly as they could; they instead are left as roughly established ideas. Whether Imu has been established at the right time or not, my concern is whether Imu is used well. We don't need another Wano situation where villains are shown and their general idea is touched on, but it ultimately culminates in one or two pages of a half hearted flashback. As of now, Imu hasn't done anything beyond look menacing at the camera. One Piece shouldn't end with a two page flashback to the moon or whatever because Oda again spent an entire saga focusing on showcasing side characters. Basically, I'm concerned Oda is focusing so much on stuffing concepts into the series that nothing has time to breathe. Wano is a good showcase of that: despite being given a lot of time to develop an idea, so much time is spent meandering and touring the setting and its general ideas and its hundreds of tertiary and secondary actors that the finale released like a wet fart. If Imu is so important and is meant to be the most thrilling, memorable and important villain of the series, then we'd better get started on something this time.
Agreed, I Shuesha just needs to give Oda enough time for him do whatever he wants if they rush Oda things will happen same again, What happened at end of wano
I 100% agree with this. Oda focuses to much time on bringing up new things without actually delving into these ideas and just saying. Oh will get back to that later...... like 6 years from now or something.
We're not ending on chapter 1200. That would mean we only have 143 chapters left. There's literally no chance unless Oda drops like half of his plot points and rushes the rest. Which, I mean, I guess it's possible, and I know Wano felt unsatisfying to many of us, but there's just no way I see Oda botching the finale to that extent. I think a much more reasonable estimate is chapter 1300.
Yeah I agree. I don't wanna see the rest of these arcs as pressed for time as the last couple of chapters of wano ended up. I know we meme about oda being perpetually 5 years away from finishing the story but I'd rather have 7 more years to go if he can set everything up rather than "hurry up and finish quality be damned"
@@tachi5408 Problem is Oda only drops about 35 to 40 chapters a year now. If we had another 400 chapters, that would basically mean another 10 years, or more. I doubt he'll go for that long.
@@MarkHogan994 We will at the very least hit the 30th anniversary mark guaranteed for marketing etc.. but I honestly don't see how he can wrap up in just 200!
@@tachi5408 Guy'll be turning 50 in 2025, which is the year he planned OP to end. He said he wants to do other things in his life and also write another manga. It's reasonable to believe he'll want to end the manga when he's 50. Wanting him to go on after his scheduled ending release is selfish IMO.
I would love it if Im turns out to be a bratty immortal teen (like pre time skip Perona) but so powerful that they were literally given the throne and the Gorose are just managing their mood swings hence the emotion from the Gorose during the ohara incident. Tearing up people's photos just seems like a really childish thing to do
considering that Oda is still adding in new mysteries and new promises to meet character's later (the Wano Trio) even at chapter 1050+, I feel that we're gonna go to at least 1300.
thanks for always making sensible One Piece content instead of clickbait horse shit like so many other OP youtubers with their BS headliners like "No Way Oda Already Confirmed This!"
It's a shame that Ohara discovered that meta and everyone follow but that's unfortunately what the average watcher clicks on. I totally get why the other UA-camrs follow, it's their careers and they've gotta put food on the table, but I still think that it destroys One Piece youtube to see "ODA DID WHAT?" "NO WAY SHANKS DID THAT??!" rather than appropriate and interesting titles. Props to Morj for not folding.
@@bla-bla-bla8881 and then complain that things in certain arcs weren't completely fleshed out, when in reality their hair-brained theories weren't confirmed... people really out here like "Wano wasn't 100 because they left out the Zoro's father reveal" as if it was ever hinted at being confirmed.
This is clickbait the series got a good 10 years left due to Oda the writer taking lots of breaks plus being best selling manga so they will not want one piece rushed
I personally liked the timing of it all. The suddenness of it all contrasting the lone break between its introduction and narratives relevance has given us loads and loads of time to theorize before we actually know to much. This is quite a fun time for me.
This sets the Celestial Dragons up as the greatest pirates and the World Government is merely a fifth Yonko crew because they stole the greatest treasure in the world FREEDOM.
I think Oda will take care about weaving Imu into the story. The name Imu is "Umi" spelled backwards which is Japanese for "sea". There is no way we are not getting a significant backstory for a character with that name in a manga where the sea is such a vital part.
Well i suspect because Oda started a manga about pirates and it has blown up in terms of success way more than he expected... So the world building came in time and it expanded due to this success and the need for the story's continuation... I truly believe that this character IMU was hidden even from Odas conscious self for long, till the idea flourished in his mind. The writer is taking himself on a journey and we are coming with him and nothing is planned from the very beginning, while everything could have changed by the day.
I can still remember those chapters, seeing the huge strawhat and learning of Im's existence really blew me, I never saw it coming. Still tops at most mindblowing moments for me.
We all know that Kaguya appeared as the final villain of Naruto because Madara was hyped up sooooo high that the author didn't know how to realistically defeat him in a proper fight . As for Kaguya ? Well, she's a little girl who became all powerful then had only 1 serious fight in her life . Also, she's recuperating because of being sealed ...plenty of reasons to beat her up . Madara was undefeatable. We even had that damn "Wake up to reality" speech. "I WILL MAKE SUCH A WORLD". And then, he gets shafted in a random moment to be relegated to side character . Our expectations were betrayed .
Man, skypiea is already in my top 3 arcs and still anytime someone brings it up again i find a new reason to love it. Its crazy that a small piece of a larger story. Written 20 years ago can still have so much to give.
I don't think the "what stage was the introduction?" question matters as much as how fleshed out they will become in the end. Best example of this Kaido. He was introduced hundreds of chapters before wano. Then we got blue balled when it came to his back story where we only got bits and pieces and vague stuff but not a clear picture of why he became the way he is and what he did in the intervening years (compared to say Doflamingo). The same could happen with Im.
Oda isn’t showing much of Kaidos past now due to him being important later on specifically pertaining to Joyboy if Oda revealed it then it would spoil the endgame
@@sageohara720 that is true, Oda is better at writing heros than villains on average, but still his villains are pretty good, and they way they influence the story is definitely very good
to be fair very few of One Piece's villains get a big backstory. Really the only ones so far have been in the New World: Hody Jones, Doflamingo, and Big Mom.I suppose Buggy, Wapol and Moria count to somewhat an extent (moria less so), but that's about it. Like we don't know Crocodile, Eneru, Lucci, Spandam,Kuro orDon Krieg's backstories.
It can work if the personality Im/Imu has is memorable- maybe he has a public alternate identity as a sweet figure that hides the monster ruling from the shadows within- sort like a Palpatine/Sideous situation rather than having him be a stoic deadly serious individual to be a foil to Luffy's seriousness.
Ok, so this is a minor nitpik on terminology here, but the non existance of a single ruler that is above all else is not ment to make the goverment democratic but decentralized. Every ruler is still a monarch by birth, not elected, but non of them have absolute control over the entire world. In other words, is not about chosing who rules, but about having a single person ruling above everyone.
There is a "mayor", the guy from water 7 (don't remember his name). We're never told if the water 7 mayor is elected democratically or if it's more of a meritocracy/technocracy of sorts or if the mayor is selected or takes power in some kind of way that is not democratic. Also, I think it's incorrect to even call it decentralized because it's not. It is an oligarchy, as such the world government has its central authority figure in the celestial dragons represented by the gorosei, they're just benevolent that they would allow the rulers of each country make many of the decisions and approve them, the ones who call the shots are that central figure called the celestial dragons via the gorosei. It is a de jure benevolent dictatorial oligarchy.
I still like the idea that Im will be defeated before Blackbeard and the real final battle will be over what the world does with its newfound freedom, since Luffy and Blackbeard represent two opposing philosophies about what freedom should be, and freedom is one of the most important themes within the series. It's more interesting to me that Luffy would have to deal with the consequences of his dream to be free as his final battle, rather than the final battle simply being the last big boss preventing him from being free at all.
If the first battle is against Imu, then Luffy might just need to team up with Blackbeard. I still think Imu would be after Blackbeard because Imu is a symbol of rebirth ... To defeat Imu you must leave a worthy generation behind because no king rules forever.
That's crazy. That's always been my theory. Luffy and black beard must team up to battle against Im and his control of the world combining their ideas of freedom to ultimately trump Im's ultimate control. Then, and only then, can we have a true fight over which ideals of freedom will win and overtake the world at the end!
This has always been the worst theory, Blackbeard was and will not be the final villain fight, Blackbeard holds way less stake’s it’d be bad to go from ruler of the world level back to a yonko pirate that commands a great crew
When I was younger, I thought Luffy had to fight someone from the Gorosei since there was no other figurehead representing the WG, so it was really convenient that Im was introduced as this missing character.
I never really hear anything about how IM is likely a product of the immortal operation on the op op fruit. Don flomingo knows a lot there’s a reason he wanted that fruit around
I forgot where I saw this idea, but Im may be the final villain of One Piece, but not Luffy's final boss. Im is the final boss for Dragon and the Revolutionary Army. It is very poignant how slightly just before the Reverie itself we got a glimpse at the main head honchos of the Revolutionary Army. And with very certain plot developments now leaning towards this outcome. Luffy's true final fight will be with Blackbeard. However he does thematically have a role to being a part of "bringing the dawn of the new world" and that should include being part of dethroning Im.
Something I'm wondering About Imu.... You know how there was that giant straw hat that Imu was seen looking at? What if it wasn't a giant hat, but instead the same size hat Luffy always wears and the big twist is that Imu is actually really tiny.... Like six inches tall....
What if there will be parallels to pretimeskip and they start now? Pre: Luffy goes to Skypiea to find the golden treasure and sky island Post: Luffy goes to MarieJoa to find the last road Poneglyph Pre: Blackbeard sees Luffy's bounty and tries to capture him to become a warlord Post: Blackbeard comes after Luffy to take out a contender and steal his road poneglyphs Pre: Luffy escapes Blackbeard and goes to the sky island Post: Luffy escapes Blackbeard and goes to Mariejoa Pre: Luffy beats Enel, the god, and frees the sky island Post: Luffy beats Imu, the god, and frees the world Pre: As a result of Luffy escaping, Blackbeard decides to go after someone else, that being Ace, and captures him and becomes a warlord Post: Blackbeard goes after and captures Shanks, who he assumed would have a road poneglyph Pre: Luffy has to find a way to get back Ace Post: Luffy has to find a way to save Shanks Pre: Ace is connected to WB, WB decides to attack Marineford. Poar: Shanks is somehow connected to Dragon, and the Rev Army decides to attack Blackbeard I don't think this is actually how it's gonna go down, but interesting possibility of a parallel.
I just came up with this theory that when Imu was shown with the wanted posters of luffy, blackbeard, shirahoshi, and vivi what if the ripped posters was the people he already targeted for example when they told gecko moria to make sure to eliminate luffy then akaniu pulling up on blackbeard even with Doffy words that he was ordered to kill moria from higher up was because he failed Imu mission and the people posters who were in good condition was who was next and vivi just got targeted at the reverie and before the reverie the 5 eleders asked which light to be extinguished
To add the knife going thru shirahoshi poster was probably because shirahoshi herself is a key to freedom for Fishman not only is she a ancient weapon she also us a very captivating person as when she went on land for the first time her name was widely spread and her beauty erased the stigma for Fishman while she was on land further proof is 6 royalty princes proposing to her imagine Imu disgrace if shirahoshi was to engage with a human that literally breaks the stigma on fishman literally and to live on the red line not the surface level but above where the so called gods live
couldn't agree more. The WG has been an enemy for years and years, changing the figurehead is a twist, a surprise, but the enemy faction is still exactly the same, the WG.
Don't forget we also know what the hidden technique of the Ope-Ope no Mi is. How else would Doflomingo and the World Government know about it unless it had been used before? I don't think it's that crazy to assume that Emu is ageless right now or even been around since the void history. The ability to grant eternal youth is like the ultimate foreshadowing for a single sinister figurehead at the top. Especially with the way the One Piece history is set up.
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I like the idea of Im and the fact that they have been hinted to for quite some time. My only issue is I don’t think Im will be luffy’s fight at least not alone. Dragons whole fight has been with the world government and the person leading the world government is Im. I feel like Im and Dragon has to have a confrontation that would lead to Im being defeated. I would love if that fight included Luffy maybe a 2v1 of some sort. Without Dragons involvement I just don’t see any purpose for Dragon other that’s to support Luffy in the final war
Marines are the natural nemesis of pirates since the beggining, even if we don't know who's at the top, peeling the layers along the journey to have the final obstacle revealed feels really natural.
The main difference between Im and Kaguya is that from the moment Im sat down unceremoniously on the empty throne and the five elders bowed to him, we understood almost perfectly who this person was. All the long characterisation of the world government instantly applied and was recontextualized. Kaguya somehow appeared and we had very little idea about her motives, goals, character, etc., and she had been effectively dead for all of the story, so she didn't know anyone or anything. I remember thinking she could be friendly.
You make a compelling case, no argument here. I'll only add that I think Im is the previous Joy Boy who was made immortal through the use of the Opi-Opi No Mi so he could watch over the world. However, over the centuries he slowly became corrupted as he struggled to keep the peace of the world, and as his perfect system of government degenerated into it's current state.
Former joyboy had luffy's devil fruit he is the owner of the giant straw hat more likely he lead the 20 countries to take down joyboy and ancient kingdom with numbers.
@@basillah7650 I disagree. Just because the former Joy Boy had the Nika fruit that does not mean he held on to it for all of these years. It could have been removed, or maybe it abandoned him when he become the opposition of freedom. The existence of the Klabautermann proves that objects can have will of their own, and more recent chapters have reinforced that concept for Zoan type Devil Fruit. I say it's possible for Im to be the former Joy Boy & that over time he lost the Nika power. Also, Oda likes to show the weaknesses in the different philosophies he depicts. Depicting how a fallen Joy Boy came to be would make the perfect depiction for the limitations of Roger's & Luffy's philosophy. I think it's essential to depict Luffy facing a fallen version of himself to finish off the exploration of the character, and that it would make for a more dramatic final boss fight than Luffy facing off against the guy who defeated the previous Joy Boy. That whole "If you live long enough, you see yourself become the villain" thing is just a very interesting concept
I feel like what is especially cool that you forgot to mention when talking about Skypiea is that Luffy is LITERALLY Enel's NATURAL enemy. No one else on the crew as well as no one else in Skypiea had a chance at defeating him besides Luffy, which is coincidentally the number 1 counter to lightning. With the parallels being drawn between Enel and Imu, Luffy will obviously be the only one hope at bringing down a dictator-like god such as Imu.
So what if Imu was D that defeated the gods of the red line(Lunarians) and is scared of his own D tribe because he knows they are destined to defeat what he became: A God.
Morj great stream last night, I wonder how those shady deals with Parvision will play out. You're pretty good at product placement, you actually sound like you care instead of other content makers who halfass it out of arrogance or whatever
Morj nice video as always. Appreciate a breath of fresh air after some of the OP fanbase is bashing the final curtain of wano. Always painful when someone criticizes something that you've loved...in any case, The background music here is really relaxing and helps follow your analysis. Thanks Morj.
One piece literally shows slowly throughout the story that WG is the enemy. So a king ruling at the top doesn't change anything. It's not a new villain. Tenriobito were always the villains, so a ruler of them perfectly matches up. The history of the World is where we are suppose to learn about the world and its villians and hero so until One piece is achieved, any villain is ok
Morj the only Non CPU player in this whole OP community lmao logical thought processes that don't involve making shit up and are actually his own. I applaud you my man. Lol everyone else is vile lol aspiring influencers that aren't anything to look up to lol rotting the minds of their fans while intoxicating themselves off the fermented juices that ooze from their wasted ideas
no clue what ur talking about, hah. everyone is just doing what they like or what works for them. a lot of people in the OP community don't even do theories
If you can't see just how fake your favorite creators are I can't make you see it lol. But if you pay attention to their chats and comments. All they do is take ideas and say them in a way that seems like they came up with it lol it's a joke. It's sad. They take advantage of others for self gain or whatever. Idk . You can ride their cocks but all the mfs at that Rev don't really fuck with one piece it's just their job lol and they don't know how to quit
It's not just about revealing Im, he also needs to develop or at least hint at Im's motives, drive and character a bit more. We are getting a bit through the spiel about the Nika Nika no mi but not enough before the big fight.
While I don’t have a problem with his late introduction, the empty throne could have been mentioned all the way back in Arabasta by Nefatari. Maybe a passing comment about Reverie, how it’s a meeting of the founding country leaders etc. The empty throne was introduced and occupied within the same chapter… so it wasn’t even shocking. Remember how early we heard about the Yonkou’s and saw their silhouette (which doesn’t even match today… as expected)
I was surprised when Im was revealed, but never really too upset about it. I agree that Oda handled Im’s reveal very well, and that he did it at a very natural point in the story.
I’m not too sure about One Piece ending in chapter 1200. We’re already past 1100 and still in Egghead. The last 100 chapters basically closed out the Wano arc. If you think about all the things that need to happen before One Piece ends (Elbaf, Raftel, Void Century flashback, Great War, etc) I foresee it ending closer to 1500 chapters.
Nah I agree calling imu kaguya 2.0 is wild lol she was mentioned in a passing page and there was no actual indication she was gonna be a part of the active story. Imu on the other hand has plenty of indication that he/she will be the "final boss"
@@justtheon5903 I think referring to a single person with "they" is weird, makes it seems like you are talking about multiple people. "he/she" is way better.
@@justtheon5903 tbh, I only did that to appease the general public. I wholeheartedly believe imu is a woman, but people start to argue when I say she, so I just started throwing them both in there lol
This'll probably be lost in the comments, but here's my 2 cents: I think there will be about 260, maybe 300 more episodes, which would allow for three approx 80 ep arcs... with one being about 100. This doesn't account for filler/epilogues, which I'm sure there will be. 1400 to 1500 episodes total seems most likely and reasonable. However, Oda saying 3 more years... implying he'll condense the rest to 160-200 chapters? That just seems too brief to flesh out all the plot points which have been set up. The very least new entries I could see is about 240-260. *edit* an afterthought: I think this works because it means we get about 2 arcs to reach the "end of the second half" at around 1200, paralleling the timeskip, and leading into either one "ultimate" arc, or one with two halves... focusing on Imu, Blackbeard, and the protagonist alliance: 3 different opposed forces with their own interests and motivations.
Morj, I appreciate the thought you put into your content. You may be interested in Hegelian logic--my friend Antonio Wolf has a good series for what Hegel's method actually is. Mentioning this because I see a lot of Hegelian logic in One Piece.
@@22kazaam Don't bother. Hegel is what you might politely call a "bullshitter". He's a (German) philosopher so obscure and difficult to read, so full of big words that he made up, that even native German speakers usually don't have a blind clue what he's on about. Reading a translation is even worse. He became popular in certain circles because his beliefs imply that philosophers are the Super Special Enlightened Ones Above All, which means that philosophy professors love him and keep teaching him. He was also a big influence on Marx, who took Hegel's borderline-mystical system and made it materialistic and athetistic.
@@CantusTropus you clearly dont understand hegel. Im german - and reading Hegel is actually really Easy as he writes really simple. Understanding him is Hard behause his content is pretty hard. Actually Hegel didnt make any words up (like for example many „hard“ philosophers do i.e heidegger) - Hegel uses the words which were used in philosophy since plato and aristotle. I think the key to understand Hegel is to know the history of philosophy and especially kants kritique of pure reason. And a little Bit of fichte. Clearly you dont know anything about philosophy or hegel. No he doesnt think philsophers are at the top. At the beginning of his phenomenology he writes what science is - and how it is his goal to sublimate philosphy into science. Therefore Philosophy wasnt Even scientific in his view - why he Tried to build a scientific ground for all of the philosophy. For him philosophy is something that precedes and at the same time comes After every real science. Not in the sense that Philosophy is „higher“ than this or that science - but philsophy is the very method of every real science (like for example today physics - the approach of it). While you could argue that hes idealistic i think it comes to short to see him like that. Actually his famous quote - „to see substance as subject“ (two words which were used since the greece) is really materialistic.
@@22kazaam Like I've said, 'What is Hegel's dialectical method? [Part 1]' is a great place to start with for Hegel, but folks could also check out the work of Hegelian scholars and philosophers such as Prof. Richard Dien Winfield--or they could just read The Science of Logic directly--Hegel's most important work. There isn't an easy way to put this but Hegelian logic is the logic of sense-meaning (which ultimately is all we have), which is to say when you think of an idea, of anything (not the language you use to signal to the idea), it has a particular meaning which has a relationship to other meanings, and Hegelianism is trying to figure out what that is like. As such, the basic method of Hegel is 'immanent critique' which is when you think an idea, not think about an idea but do the action of thinking it, you examine that idea like a detective and don't project any formulas or W/E onto the content you're investigating but you simply see where the meaning of the idea leads. And immanent critique is actually the most basic form of analysis. But this has to be something you're interested if you wanna pursue it--nobody needs to study Hegelianism just like nobody needs to study biology or physics--if they aren't curious and passionate 'bout it.
@@CantusTropus yeah no like the other guy said you don't really understand Hegel, which is fine, it doesn't matter if you do or don't, but Hegelianism is also materialist but just a bunch of other things as well. And Hegel heavily influenced the whole of Germen and other societies well beyond Marx, albeit indirectly.
I really dislike how Oda is seemingly rushing the end of the series now. If this is motivated by personal reasons such as not wanting to work on OP for the next decade then I'd rather he delegate most of the production out to his staff (he's been working on this for 25 years, surely he has a trained, competent staff...?) and just do the minimum necessary writing and advisory work.
I noticed a while ago that One piece is kind allegory for the new world order. This vid really confirms it for me. The people/person at the top is hidden and pulls the strings from behind so that 1) no one knows who really has the control 2) any anger is directed at the wrong person and 3) anyone who gets too close can be eliminated without drawing attention to the person in charge. As those below from the unimportant to the important are exposed, it gets harder and harder for the person at the top to remain hidden, so at the end he'll have to step out for the final battle. Best stories are always inspired from real life.
You make too much sense. We crafted and well written script for the video. Kudos. It would be an icing on cake if Im was someone whom we already knew in the story but never paid much attention to. Definitely not pandaman, but say someone like Vegapunk or the previous Joy Boy.
There’s no reason for anything to be as long as Wano. We already know all the main players and their crews as opposed to the Big Mom and Beast pirates before their arcs. All Oda needs is to flesh them out some and set us up for that final act. Shouldn’t take long.
Just a personal thought, but I strongly believe Oda choose the name Im(u) from the English word "him". I think "Him" is similar to the character from the Powerpuff girls : he is "the evil with no real name"
I've been saying this for 4 years, since IM was introduced and finally more people are starting to think about this possibility and understand why it makes so much sense. I felt like a mad man for 4 years... I literally said everything you said in your other video and nobody believed me 😂, but I'm glad the community is finally catching up to this idea.
I think 2 super subtle and not even explicit "hints" at IM's existence does not make for a very strong argument. I think your main arguments hinges on those 2 hints (which are weak at best) while your other arguments for IM not being a "last minute" addition is conjecture at best. IM being revealed perfectly during reverie is irrelevant to him not being hinted at earlier or more explicitly. And the rhythm argument isn't very strong either since Oda can still follow a set rhythm while still hinting at IM multiple times before hand. There doesn't need to be only 2 hints for his "rhythm" to work. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Kaguya 2.0 but I think ppl need to realize that Oda does add last minute stuff to his story all the time, to point it out doesn't make Oda a bad writer.
I don't necessarily think that's the case, if only because the end-of-dressrosa scene is so blatantly alluding to a figure like IM. If not IM exactly, then at *least* a group that has authority over the Gorosei who'd be introduced in IMs place. IM has been alluded to since the first arc of the New World, which I don't think we can call last minute.
I think it's a middle ground between Morj's optimistic view and yours, and the rhythm argument does make sense. You can't drop hints about an evil someone who sits atop it all when we don't even know that the World Government is bad. If we got any hints, no matter how subtle, about a big bad who controlled the WG, before we even know that the WG is doing all sorts of things (like genocide) to prevent the Void Century history from being found out, it would spoil the progression of reveals about the true nature of the world. Instead of being a righteous organization that had some bad apples, it would reveal a lot earlier that someone evil was controlling them all along and so we'd always be expecting them to be the final villains. If anything, hinting at someone above it all wouldn't even make sense before introducing the Tenryuubito. Maybe Oda didn't think of Im from the absolute beginning but I doubt this hasn't been on his mind since at least the Enies Lobby arc.
@@williamchristy9463 on second thought Sakazuki's conversation is pretty good foreshadowing, though I will still posture that more hints would've probably smoothed out IM's reveal.
@@userusernomi i don't think giving out more foreshadowing of IM's existence is as hard as you make it out to be, he doesn't have to be foreshadowed on ch1 but keep in mind that IM only has 2 hints!!!! like cmon are you saying 3 hints will ruin the story and Oda's rhythm that badly? I think the more time a villain has a chance to be build up the better, like for example blackbeard is shaping up to be a great villain.
@@zoulzopan well, I'm not against more hints, just saying that the hints could only have started after a certain point in the story. To me, it'd only make sense to start alluding to someone like Im after *at least* the Sabaody arc because of the Tenryuubito. So starting from Marineford? Sure, I would have liked a couple more hints too.
So Oda’s inspiration for One Piece was studying American history. Since the 90s. That being considered, he’s probably drawn inspiration to keep this series going for another 1500 chapters based on the past goofy ass 30 years.
the soundtrack of this video was perfect for this topic very errie and mysterious and a feeling of somthing looming in the shandows hence represnting IM
I'm curious why you think Oda has yet to reveal Im's face. I actually have a full theory that addresses that and what I think will happen in the penultimate arc of the series, but I want to know YOUR thoughts on the subject.
what ... they can still make smaller decisions at the reverie, no? It's not completely meaningless, Im does have final say, but does he really get involved in everything? He has already let a lot of things slide (Luffy just roaming freely while having punched a celestial dragon)
Imu himself defeated the original Giant Warrior Pirates, also OGJoyboy and is responsible for the disappearance of God Valley as He was on the island as well secretly over seeing the transport of the original Celestial Dragons as well as some other nefarious motives he may have had for being on that island and remember the Navy didn't know Roger's reason for being there either and just Capatilized on the rare and unforeseen situation.
Man your channel is extremely underrated. Your takes are very good and are inline with how Oda does things. I just hope people these days could be more like you. A lot of Fake fans have been spawning lately and capitalize on the hate of the recent chapters and not appreciating how long the series took to get to this point. I hope more people see this as this clearly and concisely tell what I wanted to tell these cretins. lol
It may be nonsense but Mihawk has similar eyes to Im, and after Luffy told him his dream he said that it's even harder than defeating him. Does Mihawk knows Im? Whitebeard was impressed by his duel with Shanks but did not show any emotion on Shanks conquerors.
For anyone to say that being a pirate king is harder than surpassing WSS, they would have to know the stakes/criteria of being a Pirate King. So how did Mihawk know how to be a Pirate King?
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Joy boy vs Mary Joy at the top of the world to conquer the world
You always seem to misuse the word "villain" and "hero" in One Piece
Hello Fresh be like "I thought we were boys, Morj "
@@hakkbak lmao
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imagine complaining about imu being late and we still haven't seen shanks do even a basic sword attack in 20+ years
Well said, he moved pull his sword blocking Whitebeard and Akainu????
In red he does a few
Facts
I wonder how come shanks and imu didn't feel each other's hakies if they both have a very skilled observation haki. Did they know each other already?
@@joseenriquez9274 Imu the all seeing eye definitely knows every thing about shanks even he’s secret origins. Maybe he just doesn’t acknowledge him cause he’s plans are bigger than shanks? who knows ?
Im's reveal never bothered me, but I wish the empty throne was brought up before the reveal of Im to give the empty throne more significance and add a tad more shock factor
AGREED!!! I dont care for the idea of an "Empty throne" but if it was empty, even to us, it would've surprised us if there was a build up then a reveal that Im-sama is actually on said throne lol
Agree, but I can’t lie, it was still shocking when Imu unceremoniously sat on it, even with the little build up we got.
Considering how shady the World Government is, the twist probably would've been dragged out and predictable if the Empty Throne was introduced too early.
@@TheJ13579I agree on this
I think it would have had the opposite effect. If the empty throne was introduced in part 1 for instance readers would have long theorized that someone is calling the shots. Especially after doflamingos “Someone even higher up” (higher than sengoku)
Another reason why Imu's existence has always made sense is because of how long the void century is hidden from the world. It's hard to expect a set of five individuals work together without conflict for this long if there's no one above them, even harder if they're not 800+ years in age and authority keeps passing over generations
If a large group has a common goal, they can work just fine together as long as their common goal still holds
The number kinda reminds me of the chapter when Im's revealed, actually (~900) :0... maybe its just a coincidence, though.
probably got the miracle surgery from the Op Op no Mi
Not really. This type of explanation is not a true explanation. “It’s hard to expect 5 individuals to work together without conflict for so long”, there are trying to use real life logic into the one piece world to explain a fantasy concept. Wether X organization is competent or not is determined by the author- not the narrative. In the real world, no matter what happens- there is always an explanation for everything because cause and effect are universal principles. If one piece was a real world- Luffy dying by drowning at sea because he slip and fell would be real and effective. But in the world of manga- this is never going to happen.
Same way, wether the 5 elders could have been doing eveything without Imu or not doenst depend on them- it depends on oda wanting a king of the world or not.
based on what? You’re conflating conflict with full on de-stabilising.
They could have disagreements on a lot of things, there’s five of them so they can always just vote to settle a dispute.
I would argue 1200 chapters is VERY conservative. 1200 chapters would mean just 143 chapters left. 143 chapters for Elbaf, the moon, Raftel, every strawhat's dream, the fall of the WG, Blackbeard, Dragon, Akainu, Im, Shanks, all the deep lore, all mysteries, the potential epilogue, etc. Given that a rushed Wano took 128 chapters, 143 chapters to cover all of that seems extremely rushed.
I agree. But I also think one piece is very bloated. May not be a bad thing to end at 1200
Yeah I'm definitely leaning towards 1500 personally, and I mean Oda said the final "saga", which would make it somewhat equivalent to the 500 chapter Wano Saga, so we're probably about 2/3 of the way done.
1300 chapters seems more reasonable to me. 30 chapters to elbaf and establish the arena for the final war. 100 chapters for the final war and then a final battle against in sama or bblackbeard, something like that, and end all the plot withtin the last 100 chapters
Also, it would make the journey 100 chapters to start, 500 to make it to the middle, 500 more to go to the end (1100 then) and 200 more of epic conclusion
Imma hope I'm around for the end of one piece 😂
Wano was not rushed, only the ending was arguably rushed.
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@@salvadorsalgado5212 Just wait until Final Villain 4 comes around
Can't wait for Final Villian: Civil War
Comparing IM to Kaguya is insane, Ive watch Naruto for more than a decade and we all thought that the final villain was Madara or Obito it was definitive and suddenly out of nowhere in the final battle she shows up like hello I guess I'm the final villain like what, it's true that IM was introduced late game but if he end up being the final villain he will end up being introduced in the final like 6 years run of the series that's not bad.
For real Kaguya came out of nowhere
Bruh they could have shown the empty trone around chapter 400 and then show that it was actually not empty when im was revealed and no one would have complain ever
@@gastonsantiagoparada6075 Wouldn't that be fairly obvious then? At around chapter 400 you talk of the Empty Throne. And, Doffy talks of someone higher up. Then, Akainu's question of is there someone above the Gorosei? The Empty Throne is way too much of a hint to his existence imo. The shock wouldn't be nearly as big as it currently is.
kaguya wasn’t even a bad final villain. like bro we never truly new what created black zetsu or what he even truly was. he became full circle when we find out he’s kaguya’s will. bro that gave kaguya aizen level thinking and planning and also lead to the creation of boruto. let’s also not forget naruto and sasuke weren’t even strong enough to kill her. if not for kakashi and obito the main characters would literally be dead 🤷🏾♂️ like bro kaguya was a demon 😂
Well even Kaido was "introduced" years before wano started. And yet... In the end we didn't get the full picture of him and his past and it felt somewhat lacklustre/not fully fleshed out
It's really important for us fans to constantly remind ourselves that One Piece and Oda should never be elevated above constructive criticisms, but on the other hand there is such a strong rapport at this point. I mean it's been more than 2 decades at this point and in the long run Oda has rarely, if ever, fallen short of expectations. I might seem like a blind fan boy, but I think the reality is I trust Oda at this point and I'm going to wait until everything plays out before saying something stupid like "Im = Kaguya".
Yea like I’m not rly a big fan of how Oda handled Yamato in Wano and I’m not afraid to criticize him for it, but in the long run it doesn’t have a major impact on the big picture story he’s telling, we’re still gonna see epic showdowns against Blackbeard and the Marines/WG, go to laugh tale, and find the one piece regardless of if Yamato was with the crew or not.
Yes, I think this is generally fair. Oda is not some kind of infallible god, but he has done a pretty good job for a very long time. I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he will handle it well instead of poorly. If we're wrong, well, THEN we can open the floodgates of criticism. At this point, the most pressing concern for Oda surely has to be to stick the landing correctly. We all know that a bad ending can easily ruin a story, and for a story that's been so good for a literal quarter century plus (likely three decades by the time it's actually finished) to crash and burn at the last hurdle would be a tragedy of historical proportions. Naruto's fumbled ending was bad enough that people still complain about it now, and Naruto didn't have nearly as much buildup as One Piece does at this point. But of course Oda obviously has to KNOW that, and there's no way he decides to just get lazy when working on the climax to his 30-year-long epic. One Piece MIGHT have a bad ending, but if it does, it won't be because Oda didn't bother to try, it'll probably be because of a dumb decision that everyone disagrees with.
Yeah. He's just a dude and the fanbase often forgets that he isn't some infallible god (with them screaming "GOATDA, GODA, etc and shutting down legitimate critique). He makes bad calls and considering that were 1057 chapters in and no giant cracks have started to form yet, I'm still optimistic about what the future holds. Wano unfortunately had two major cons, Yamato and the ending being rushed for Film Red (it could have used 5 more chapters) but it was also a great arc on average. Not the best, but not even close to middle of the road for me. Some people are obviously going to hate the ending no matter what, but I hope what he did with the gear 5 form and follows his own gut (like he did with enies lobby and marineford and dressrosa and even whole cake island) and passion rather than letting some publisher and a bunch of people on the internet pressure him into following their vision. We'll just have to wait and see what the man does in the future, and I hope that he can deliver something amazing.
You speak the truth
As someone who's been reading weekly since Enies Lobby, I have to say I really feel disappointed with Wano. I'm fine with the story taking different routes than I imagined, but lately, it feels rushed. Oda plants seeds without giving us the reveals; plants seeds that don't go anywhere; plans overly complex stories with too many characters, and off-screens important developments... It doesn't feel right. And I'm still very skeptical of Luffy's role as a Messiah figure and how unearned and unrealistic (by OP standards) gear 5 felt. I'm honestly not feeling it at the time being. He should go back to the basics a bit more, IMHO.
if one piece ends in 1200 chapters we will 100% get a rushed ending like every other manga
I agree... that would mean we have one wano length arc left, and wano was pretty rushed as well
Probably, but try to imagine drawing weekly manga for over 25+ years. I really hope one piece ending would be epic amazing fantastic, but even if the ending turns out to be lame, doesn't make sense, unsatisfied, terrible and all that, I'll still respect goda for all his work till now
my fear too hope not
I've been saying for a long time now that mangakas are really bad at finishing their stories. Even though I enjoy anime and manga, almost all of them have super weird endings (when they get one)
I don't necessarily think that's the case.
Really, all that *needs* to happen now is Shanks and luffys meeting, finding the one piece, and the end war.
That's maybe three arcs, and wano was easily the largest arc in the story.
The one piece probably won't need more than twenty chapters dedicated to it. The hard part will be wrapping up shanks + Blackbeard + the WG in that time-- which could conceivably be done in an arc or two.
Comparing Im to Kaguya is kind of harsh. I didn’t even know there were people who thought that. I mean, sure, Im, if you didn’t pay attention to what is apparently Oda’s mastery of subtle context, did seem to just appear as a new boss to overcome in the future, which has been a norm for the One Piece world for a very, very, very long while now, that’s just all we know about him so far. We just know that he is the true ruler of the world and is most likely the final boss of the series, but we don’t even know what he looks like, his powers, his character in general, hell, it’s been the same with Vegapunk for the longest time to the point that I still can’t believe we finally got to see him appear in the manga, even though it’s the reveal I’ve been longing to see the most!
Kaguya was a totally different case. The first time she was mentioned was an entire exposition dump of who she is, her relevance to the story, what had happened to her and the story trying to convince us how important she was to both the narrative all the way into the approaching climax of the War Arc despite never being foreshadowed, mentioned or alluded to until the same chapter revealing her backstory, and then next time we see her, she just appears as the True Final Boss thanks to a shadow that was apparently her will manifested to control everything within the world for thousands of years down to every single event because plot, and then boom, face-off, character death, she loses, then we treat her like a Big Lipped Alligator moment and get back to the real meat of the story.
I’m sorry about the tangent, but like I said, making such a comparison is harsh. Besides, throughout the story, Oda made it feel like that the World Goverment was all run by one single entity, and not a collective. We didn’t need Im to have been mentioned once and yet he still blended so seemlessly into the story because we had been feeling his presence the entire time. Be honest, we all knew that the World Government was going to one day fall, but we knew it wasn’t going to happen just by destroying all their bases, ending the rule of the Word Nobles, convincing the world to stage a revolt, or toppling the heart of their operations. We all knew that it would all topple after the defeat of one man, one thing, and that thing is Im.
The One Piece villain we knew was there, who has been there since the beginning, and yet we never saw coming.
Im is just a better Enel. Skypiea really is a microcosm of the series.
I think Better is the wrong word.
If anything Enel is a miniaturised version of Im's characteristics.
@@misters6749 I suppose better is a wrong word. I just meant bigger, I didn't mean to diminish Eneru character.
@@shinkaiatsuya950 fair enough
@@misters6749 wholesome
@@geddypee8391 yeah, I loved this interaction so much
I’ve never heard people compare Imu to Kaguya . One was revealed hundreds of chapters ago . Meanwhile the other was revealed like 10-20 chapters before the end of the series ..
Ong Kishi was wilding
@@Lowelife48 I still think kishi was forced to do that 😂
@@viniciorangel6223 i agree, not confirmed by any source or statement, but there is no way kishi didnt want it to be madara
The main reason that the introduction of kaguya was so incredibly poorly implemented was due to the fact that it was like a gagreel of cross doublecrossed.
What i mean by that is obito getting doublecrossed only for madara to eventually be doublecrossed out of the blue. Like you couldnt even give them a proper unique ending
Well oda could introduce imu that late and it would still make sense for imu to exist. Hell oda could even pull that same alien plot point and it would still make sense because of enel.
Finally its Morjin time, my most morj day of the week
Bruh, whoever compared Naruto's Kaguya and Imu probably smoked and high af. They forgot that Kaguya were introduced literally at the peak of the 3rd arc of the longest arc in Naruto. She also steals the spotlight from Madara in the most awful way possible as well lmao.
Not only that, Kaguya does not have a single 'breadcrumbs' to trace back to. No one expecting that Chakra is actually come from alien fruit, let alone drawing connections to Ootsushiki clans (cmiiw on the spelling) and it's bloodline. The ancient sage, whose children splits into Uchiha and Senjuu, have no prior information that might suggest that he came from some ancient alien bloodline. The ancient sage might as well be just some dude who're so good with Chakra usage in the 1st place (kinda like the Avatar in Avatar: the Legend of Aang series). This is different than Imu.
Imu is basically the king of the world at this point. We knew that the WG is the peak hierarchy, and even then it's more of a collective kings and rulers that forms a powerful ruling organization. Is it a stretch that in that someone, who with enough power and influence, manage to be the the 'ruler' of rulers, the 'king' of kings. Think of it like U.N Security Council members to U.N nations (maybe ?), but instead of 5 permanent members, this is just one guy
07:50 also Adolf
kinda like yamato...only that kaguya unfortunately made a huge difference in the story
lol it really is pirate hitler
lmao bro adolf
Actually Kaguya and the chakra fruit , sage were mentioned several times throughout the story prior to her appearance
@@lordrimuru2003 like when?
Oda did an excellent job of hiding this final boss character but also threw some really interesting and well thought hints about his or her existence
I agree with the statement that Imu isn't some final boss that came out of nowhere but actually he was planned and hinted from the very start.
Honestly just the thought,not hints or clues about a secret boss that rules everything behind the shadows was on our minds..a being higher than the supposed highest status
Is there anything that Oda has not planned from the very start?
@@zoulzopan The worst generation
@@zoulzopan Vivi being the princess of Alabasta
@@zoulzopan the shichibukai
@@zoulzopan with the amount of retcons Oda has made in his story, I'd say most of it hasn't been planned from the beginning. In fact, I am like 90% sure Oda hasn't even decided what the One Piece is yet. Everyone who thinks he's planned everything from the beginning is a weenie fan boy who think's he is some kind of god and doesn't at all understand how storytelling and the writing process is achieved... here's a few things Oda never planned from the beginning: Nika Fruit, Imu, Sabo, Shanks being a Yonko, Germa... could go on all day
We all know Morj is the final villain, hidden in plain sight
Oh I can't wait for when Luffy is about to face off with Imu, one of the goresei will stab Imu and say that you were only a means to an end for the return of Mr Morj. Then Morj emerges from Imu's body and after a moment of silence declares: "It's Morjin time, baby!". Jump cut to "TO BE CONTINUED".
"Gomu Gomu no Failed Raid"
- Morjius probably
Always has been
Nope it’s going to be Rocks. Strongest pirate in the world of one piece. Took a combined roger and garp to defeat him
It very obviously going to be pandaman.
A consistent issue with One Piece and Oda is that while ideas and characters are introduced, they often don't develop anywhere near as strongly as they could; they instead are left as roughly established ideas. Whether Imu has been established at the right time or not, my concern is whether Imu is used well. We don't need another Wano situation where villains are shown and their general idea is touched on, but it ultimately culminates in one or two pages of a half hearted flashback. As of now, Imu hasn't done anything beyond look menacing at the camera. One Piece shouldn't end with a two page flashback to the moon or whatever because Oda again spent an entire saga focusing on showcasing side characters. Basically, I'm concerned Oda is focusing so much on stuffing concepts into the series that nothing has time to breathe. Wano is a good showcase of that: despite being given a lot of time to develop an idea, so much time is spent meandering and touring the setting and its general ideas and its hundreds of tertiary and secondary actors that the finale released like a wet fart. If Imu is so important and is meant to be the most thrilling, memorable and important villain of the series, then we'd better get started on something this time.
whoa didnt expect plague to be here, love your art!
Agreed, I Shuesha just needs to give Oda enough time for him do whatever he wants if they rush Oda things will happen same again, What happened at end of wano
I 100% agree with this. Oda focuses to much time on bringing up new things without actually delving into these ideas and just saying. Oh will get back to that later...... like 6 years from now or something.
Please make a one piece video plagueofgripes
hello,!
We're not ending on chapter 1200. That would mean we only have 143 chapters left. There's literally no chance unless Oda drops like half of his plot points and rushes the rest. Which, I mean, I guess it's possible, and I know Wano felt unsatisfying to many of us, but there's just no way I see Oda botching the finale to that extent. I think a much more reasonable estimate is chapter 1300.
Yeah I agree. I don't wanna see the rest of these arcs as pressed for time as the last couple of chapters of wano ended up. I know we meme about oda being perpetually 5 years away from finishing the story but I'd rather have 7 more years to go if he can set everything up rather than "hurry up and finish quality be damned"
1450 imo I mean there's so so much to cover and Oda still drops mysteries even at this point in the story
@@tachi5408 Problem is Oda only drops about 35 to 40 chapters a year now. If we had another 400 chapters, that would basically mean another 10 years, or more. I doubt he'll go for that long.
@@MarkHogan994 We will at the very least hit the 30th anniversary mark guaranteed for marketing etc.. but I honestly don't see how he can wrap up in just 200!
@@tachi5408 Guy'll be turning 50 in 2025, which is the year he planned OP to end. He said he wants to do other things in his life and also write another manga. It's reasonable to believe he'll want to end the manga when he's 50. Wanting him to go on after his scheduled ending release is selfish IMO.
I would love it if Im turns out to be a bratty immortal teen (like pre time skip Perona) but so powerful that they were literally given the throne and the Gorose are just managing their mood swings hence the emotion from the Gorose during the ohara incident. Tearing up people's photos just seems like a really childish thing to do
What is blud yapping about?
considering that Oda is still adding in new mysteries and new promises to meet character's later (the Wano Trio) even at chapter 1050+, I feel that we're gonna go to at least 1300.
thanks for always making sensible One Piece content instead of clickbait horse shit like so many other OP youtubers with their BS headliners like "No Way Oda Already Confirmed This!"
Don't know why but that made me laugh so hard🤣😂
It's a shame that Ohara discovered that meta and everyone follow but that's unfortunately what the average watcher clicks on. I totally get why the other UA-camrs follow, it's their careers and they've gotta put food on the table, but I still think that it destroys One Piece youtube to see "ODA DID WHAT?" "NO WAY SHANKS DID THAT??!" rather than appropriate and interesting titles. Props to Morj for not folding.
Lol Ohara.. Ohara and his compadres always try to be overtly positive
@@bla-bla-bla8881 and then complain that things in certain arcs weren't completely fleshed out, when in reality their hair-brained theories weren't confirmed... people really out here like "Wano wasn't 100 because they left out the Zoro's father reveal" as if it was ever hinted at being confirmed.
This is clickbait the series got a good 10 years left due to Oda the writer taking lots of breaks plus being best selling manga so they will not want one piece rushed
I personally liked the timing of it all. The suddenness of it all contrasting the lone break between its introduction and narratives relevance has given us loads and loads of time to theorize before we actually know to much. This is quite a fun time for me.
FOOLS! The final villain has been hiding in plain sight, hidden in the background of every single arc of the story…
Panda Man 🐼
i actually reading a fanfic about this, read "a gamer in south blue"
Buggy is the final villain 🤡
This sets the Celestial Dragons up as the greatest pirates and the World Government is merely a fifth Yonko crew because they stole the greatest treasure in the world FREEDOM.
Morj on the Im grind, love to see it
Morj should become a lawyer, he can turn any argument around so easily !
That line from Doflamingo always stuck with me, and I always wondered who he was referring to. Glad you specifically pointed to it on the video.
I think Oda will take care about weaving Imu into the story. The name Imu is "Umi" spelled backwards which is Japanese for "sea".
There is no way we are not getting a significant backstory for a character with that name in a manga where the sea is such a vital part.
the god of devil fruits
Well i suspect because Oda started a manga about pirates and it has blown up in terms of success way more than he expected... So the world building came in time and it expanded due to this success and the need for the story's continuation... I truly believe that this character IMU was hidden even from Odas conscious self for long, till the idea flourished in his mind. The writer is taking himself on a journey and we are coming with him and nothing is planned from the very beginning, while everything could have changed by the day.
I can still remember those chapters, seeing the huge strawhat and learning of Im's existence really blew me, I never saw it coming. Still tops at most mindblowing moments for me.
For me Raizo is safe and Gear 5 was the most mind-blowing moments more so than Im cuz I honestly expected him/her
We all know that Kaguya appeared as the final villain of Naruto because Madara was hyped up sooooo high that the author didn't know how to realistically defeat him in a proper fight . As for Kaguya ? Well, she's a little girl who became all powerful then had only 1 serious fight in her life . Also, she's recuperating because of being sealed ...plenty of reasons to beat her up . Madara was undefeatable. We even had that damn "Wake up to reality" speech. "I WILL MAKE SUCH A WORLD". And then, he gets shafted in a random moment to be relegated to side character . Our expectations were betrayed .
Man, skypiea is already in my top 3 arcs and still anytime someone brings it up again i find a new reason to love it. Its crazy that a small piece of a larger story. Written 20 years ago can still have so much to give.
I don't think the "what stage was the introduction?" question matters as much as how fleshed out they will become in the end. Best example of this Kaido. He was introduced hundreds of chapters before wano. Then we got blue balled when it came to his back story where we only got bits and pieces and vague stuff but not a clear picture of why he became the way he is and what he did in the intervening years (compared to say Doflamingo). The same could happen with Im.
Agreed
Oda isn’t showing much of Kaidos past now due to him being important later on specifically pertaining to Joyboy if Oda revealed it then it would spoil the endgame
Oda has yet to produce an S tier villain. Doffy and Kat were better but Kat went out sad. Doffy is above them all.
@@sageohara720 that is true, Oda is better at writing heros than villains on average, but still his villains are pretty good, and they way they influence the story is definitely very good
to be fair very few of One Piece's villains get a big backstory. Really the only ones so far have been in the New World: Hody Jones, Doflamingo, and Big Mom.I suppose Buggy, Wapol and Moria count to somewhat an extent (moria less so), but that's about it. Like we don't know Crocodile, Eneru, Lucci, Spandam,Kuro orDon Krieg's backstories.
It can work if the personality Im/Imu has is memorable- maybe he has a public alternate identity as a sweet figure that hides the monster ruling from the shadows within- sort like a Palpatine/Sideous situation rather than having him be a stoic deadly serious individual to be a foil to Luffy's seriousness.
God ussop all along
Ok, so this is a minor nitpik on terminology here, but the non existance of a single ruler that is above all else is not ment to make the goverment democratic but decentralized. Every ruler is still a monarch by birth, not elected, but non of them have absolute control over the entire world.
In other words, is not about chosing who rules, but about having a single person ruling above everyone.
There is a "mayor", the guy from water 7 (don't remember his name). We're never told if the water 7 mayor is elected democratically or if it's more of a meritocracy/technocracy of sorts or if the mayor is selected or takes power in some kind of way that is not democratic. Also, I think it's incorrect to even call it decentralized because it's not. It is an oligarchy, as such the world government has its central authority figure in the celestial dragons represented by the gorosei, they're just benevolent that they would allow the rulers of each country make many of the decisions and approve them, the ones who call the shots are that central figure called the celestial dragons via the gorosei. It is a de jure benevolent dictatorial oligarchy.
I still like the idea that Im will be defeated before Blackbeard and the real final battle will be over what the world does with its newfound freedom, since Luffy and Blackbeard represent two opposing philosophies about what freedom should be, and freedom is one of the most important themes within the series.
It's more interesting to me that Luffy would have to deal with the consequences of his dream to be free as his final battle, rather than the final battle simply being the last big boss preventing him from being free at all.
If the first battle is against Imu, then Luffy might just need to team up with Blackbeard.
I still think Imu would be after Blackbeard because Imu is a symbol of rebirth
... To defeat Imu you must leave a worthy generation behind because no king rules forever.
That's crazy. That's always been my theory. Luffy and black beard must team up to battle against Im and his control of the world combining their ideas of freedom to ultimately trump Im's ultimate control. Then, and only then, can we have a true fight over which ideals of freedom will win and overtake the world at the end!
This has always been the worst theory, Blackbeard was and will not be the final villain fight, Blackbeard holds way less stake’s it’d be bad to go from ruler of the world level back to a yonko pirate that commands a great crew
You are wrong. This will be all solved in the same conflict
I honestly prefer the last one piece arc to be ragnarok. Where they will fight those who claim to be gods.
When I was younger, I thought Luffy had to fight someone from the Gorosei since there was no other figurehead representing the WG, so it was really convenient that Im was introduced as this missing character.
I never really hear anything about how IM is likely a product of the immortal operation on the op op fruit. Don flomingo knows a lot there’s a reason he wanted that fruit around
Another fantastic video Morj!
I forgot where I saw this idea, but Im may be the final villain of One Piece, but not Luffy's final boss. Im is the final boss for Dragon and the Revolutionary Army. It is very poignant how slightly just before the Reverie itself we got a glimpse at the main head honchos of the Revolutionary Army. And with very certain plot developments now leaning towards this outcome.
Luffy's true final fight will be with Blackbeard. However he does thematically have a role to being a part of "bringing the dawn of the new world" and that should include being part of dethroning Im.
Something I'm wondering About Imu.... You know how there was that giant straw hat that Imu was seen looking at? What if it wasn't a giant hat, but instead the same size hat Luffy always wears and the big twist is that Imu is actually really tiny.... Like six inches tall....
Yeah, and the Empty Throne is very small too. We thought it was the effect from the distance, but that's what THEY want us to think.
too bad we saw imu on the throne right before cobra and ace and they can even transform into a giant creature. what a dumb ass theory🤣🤣🤣🤣
What if there will be parallels to pretimeskip and they start now?
Pre: Luffy goes to Skypiea to find the golden treasure and sky island
Post: Luffy goes to MarieJoa to find the last road Poneglyph
Pre: Blackbeard sees Luffy's bounty and tries to capture him to become a warlord
Post: Blackbeard comes after Luffy to take out a contender and steal his road poneglyphs
Pre: Luffy escapes Blackbeard and goes to the sky island
Post: Luffy escapes Blackbeard and goes to Mariejoa
Pre: Luffy beats Enel, the god, and frees the sky island
Post: Luffy beats Imu, the god, and frees the world
Pre: As a result of Luffy escaping, Blackbeard decides to go after someone else, that being Ace, and captures him and becomes a warlord
Post: Blackbeard goes after and captures Shanks, who he assumed would have a road poneglyph
Pre: Luffy has to find a way to get back Ace
Post: Luffy has to find a way to save Shanks
Pre: Ace is connected to WB, WB decides to attack Marineford.
Poar: Shanks is somehow connected to Dragon, and the Rev Army decides to attack Blackbeard
I don't think this is actually how it's gonna go down, but interesting possibility of a parallel.
I love how everyone thought skypiea had little to do with the overarching story of one piece and now its clear that it was foreshadowing Imu
Skypiea is SO SO important for the history and truth of the world. I never think there will be an author like oda again
I just came up with this theory that when Imu was shown with the wanted posters of luffy, blackbeard, shirahoshi, and vivi what if the ripped posters was the people he already targeted for example when they told gecko moria to make sure to eliminate luffy then akaniu pulling up on blackbeard even with Doffy words that he was ordered to kill moria from higher up was because he failed Imu mission and the people posters who were in good condition was who was next and vivi just got targeted at the reverie and before the reverie the 5 eleders asked which light to be extinguished
To add the knife going thru shirahoshi poster was probably because shirahoshi herself is a key to freedom for Fishman not only is she a ancient weapon she also us a very captivating person as when she went on land for the first time her name was widely spread and her beauty erased the stigma for Fishman while she was on land further proof is 6 royalty princes proposing to her imagine Imu disgrace if shirahoshi was to engage with a human that literally breaks the stigma on fishman literally and to live on the red line not the surface level but above where the so called gods live
couldn't agree more. The WG has been an enemy for years and years, changing the figurehead is a twist, a surprise, but the enemy faction is still exactly the same, the WG.
It's morjin time
Morj: “Kuhgooyah”
Me: yeah.. whatever man, sounds good
Don't forget we also know what the hidden technique of the Ope-Ope no Mi is. How else would Doflomingo and the World Government know about it unless it had been used before? I don't think it's that crazy to assume that Emu is ageless right now or even been around since the void history. The ability to grant eternal youth is like the ultimate foreshadowing for a single sinister figurehead at the top. Especially with the way the One Piece history is set up.
Watching ur channel is like having a well-researched academic lecture in the university. Full of supporting facts. Narrated in a very comprehensive way.
Well done🎉
I like the idea of Im and the fact that they have been hinted to for quite some time. My only issue is I don’t think Im will be luffy’s fight at least not alone. Dragons whole fight has been with the world government and the person leading the world government is Im. I feel like Im and Dragon has to have a confrontation that would lead to Im being defeated. I would love if that fight included Luffy maybe a 2v1 of some sort. Without Dragons involvement I just don’t see any purpose for Dragon other that’s to support Luffy in the final war
Marines are the natural nemesis of pirates since the beggining, even if we don't know who's at the top, peeling the layers along the journey to have the final obstacle revealed feels really natural.
The main difference between Im and Kaguya is that from the moment Im sat down unceremoniously on the empty throne and the five elders bowed to him, we understood almost perfectly who this person was. All the long characterisation of the world government instantly applied and was recontextualized.
Kaguya somehow appeared and we had very little idea about her motives, goals, character, etc., and she had been effectively dead for all of the story, so she didn't know anyone or anything. I remember thinking she could be friendly.
You make a compelling case, no argument here.
I'll only add that I think Im is the previous Joy Boy who was made immortal through the use of the Opi-Opi No Mi so he could watch over the world. However, over the centuries he slowly became corrupted as he struggled to keep the peace of the world, and as his perfect system of government degenerated into it's current state.
Former joyboy had luffy's devil fruit he is the owner of the giant straw hat more likely he lead the 20 countries to take down joyboy and ancient kingdom with numbers.
@@basillah7650 I disagree. Just because the former Joy Boy had the Nika fruit that does not mean he held on to it for all of these years. It could have been removed, or maybe it abandoned him when he become the opposition of freedom. The existence of the Klabautermann proves that objects can have will of their own, and more recent chapters have reinforced that concept for Zoan type Devil Fruit. I say it's possible for Im to be the former Joy Boy & that over time he lost the Nika power.
Also, Oda likes to show the weaknesses in the different philosophies he depicts. Depicting how a fallen Joy Boy came to be would make the perfect depiction for the limitations of Roger's & Luffy's philosophy. I think it's essential to depict Luffy facing a fallen version of himself to finish off the exploration of the character, and that it would make for a more dramatic final boss fight than Luffy facing off against the guy who defeated the previous Joy Boy. That whole "If you live long enough, you see yourself become the villain" thing is just a very interesting concept
I feel like what is especially cool that you forgot to mention when talking about Skypiea is that Luffy is LITERALLY Enel's NATURAL enemy. No one else on the crew as well as no one else in Skypiea had a chance at defeating him besides Luffy, which is coincidentally the number 1 counter to lightning. With the parallels being drawn between Enel and Imu, Luffy will obviously be the only one hope at bringing down a dictator-like god such as Imu.
this video only ages better, as in the last chapter IM shows a GODLIKE power
Doubt series gonna end at 1200 chapters. Especially now.
So what if Imu was D that defeated the gods of the red line(Lunarians) and is scared of his own D tribe because he knows they are destined to defeat what he became: A God.
That's a good theory, i like it.
Morj great stream last night, I wonder how those shady deals with Parvision will play out. You're pretty good at product placement, you actually sound like you care instead of other content makers who halfass it out of arrogance or whatever
Morj nice video as always. Appreciate a breath of fresh air after some of the OP fanbase is bashing the final curtain of wano. Always painful when someone criticizes something that you've loved...in any case, The background music here is really relaxing and helps follow your analysis. Thanks Morj.
One piece literally shows slowly throughout the story that WG is the enemy. So a king ruling at the top doesn't change anything. It's not a new villain. Tenriobito were always the villains, so a ruler of them perfectly matches up. The history of the World is where we are suppose to learn about the world and its villians and hero so until One piece is achieved, any villain is ok
Morj the only Non CPU player in this whole OP community lmao logical thought processes that don't involve making shit up and are actually his own. I applaud you my man. Lol everyone else is vile lol aspiring influencers that aren't anything to look up to lol rotting the minds of their fans while intoxicating themselves off the fermented juices that ooze from their wasted ideas
no clue what ur talking about, hah. everyone is just doing what they like or what works for them. a lot of people in the OP community don't even do theories
If you can't see just how fake your favorite creators are I can't make you see it lol. But if you pay attention to their chats and comments. All they do is take ideas and say them in a way that seems like they came up with it lol it's a joke. It's sad. They take advantage of others for self gain or whatever. Idk . You can ride their cocks but all the mfs at that Rev don't really fuck with one piece it's just their job lol and they don't know how to quit
People been mocking Morj for his raid failing theory. And what is ironic, is that the ending was rushed and was objectively unsatisfactory.
@@shay_3859 You guys are just mouthbreathers, the ending really is not as bad as you believe
@@thatguy5779 it’s universally regarded as bad in the community lol
Final Villian 2 is out, lesss goooo
It's not just about revealing Im, he also needs to develop or at least hint at Im's motives, drive and character a bit more. We are getting a bit through the spiel about the Nika Nika no mi but not enough before the big fight.
While I don’t have a problem with his late introduction, the empty throne could have been mentioned all the way back in Arabasta by Nefatari. Maybe a passing comment about Reverie, how it’s a meeting of the founding country leaders etc. The empty throne was introduced and occupied within the same chapter… so it wasn’t even shocking. Remember how early we heard about the Yonkou’s and saw their silhouette (which doesn’t even match today… as expected)
Naruto comparisons aside, Imu almost certainly is based on the original literary Kaguya.
Who's kaguya? I have only heard of the famous character from naruto
@@krishbohra5536 from the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, a Heian-era story. Any time you see a character named Kaguya, it is a reference to that.
I was surprised when Im was revealed, but never really too upset about it. I agree that Oda handled Im’s reveal very well, and that he did it at a very natural point in the story.
I’m not too sure about One Piece ending in chapter 1200. We’re already past 1100 and still in Egghead. The last 100 chapters basically closed out the Wano arc. If you think about all the things that need to happen before One Piece ends (Elbaf, Raftel, Void Century flashback, Great War, etc) I foresee it ending closer to 1500 chapters.
After seeing your video, I agree that it's the right time for the introduction
anyone else find the background music spooky?
Nah I agree calling imu kaguya 2.0 is wild lol she was mentioned in a passing page and there was no actual indication she was gonna be a part of the active story. Imu on the other hand has plenty of indication that he/she will be the "final boss"
It’s easier to say they instead of he/she
@@justtheon5903 I think referring to a single person with "they" is weird, makes it seems like you are talking about multiple people. "he/she" is way better.
@@justtheon5903 tbh, I only did that to appease the general public. I wholeheartedly believe imu is a woman, but people start to argue when I say she, so I just started throwing them both in there lol
@@kenan-b yeah. So they is the most appropriate because it’s gender neutral
@@justtheon5903 probably not going to stop me if I'm being honest, but thank you for the insight
This'll probably be lost in the comments, but here's my 2 cents:
I think there will be about 260, maybe 300 more episodes, which would allow for three approx 80 ep arcs... with one being about 100. This doesn't account for filler/epilogues, which I'm sure there will be.
1400 to 1500 episodes total seems most likely and reasonable.
However, Oda saying 3 more years... implying he'll condense the rest to 160-200 chapters? That just seems too brief to flesh out all the plot points which have been set up. The very least new entries I could see is about 240-260.
*edit* an afterthought: I think this works because it means we get about 2 arcs to reach the "end of the second half" at around 1200, paralleling the timeskip, and leading into either one "ultimate" arc, or one with two halves... focusing on Imu, Blackbeard, and the protagonist alliance: 3 different opposed forces with their own interests and motivations.
By the way Morj i appreciate all your ideas and theories keeping them out
Morj, I appreciate the thought you put into your content. You may be interested in Hegelian logic--my friend Antonio Wolf has a good series for what Hegel's method actually is. Mentioning this because I see a lot of Hegelian logic in One Piece.
Give me the cliffnotes version of what Hegelian logic is. Please and thank you.
@@22kazaam Don't bother. Hegel is what you might politely call a "bullshitter". He's a (German) philosopher so obscure and difficult to read, so full of big words that he made up, that even native German speakers usually don't have a blind clue what he's on about. Reading a translation is even worse. He became popular in certain circles because his beliefs imply that philosophers are the Super Special Enlightened Ones Above All, which means that philosophy professors love him and keep teaching him. He was also a big influence on Marx, who took Hegel's borderline-mystical system and made it materialistic and athetistic.
@@CantusTropus you clearly dont understand hegel. Im german - and reading Hegel is actually really Easy as he writes really simple. Understanding him is Hard behause his content is pretty hard.
Actually Hegel didnt make any words up (like for example many „hard“ philosophers do i.e heidegger) - Hegel uses the words which were used in philosophy since plato and aristotle. I think the key to understand Hegel is to know the history of philosophy and especially kants kritique of pure reason. And a little Bit of fichte.
Clearly you dont know anything about philosophy or hegel. No he doesnt think philsophers are at the top. At the beginning of his phenomenology he writes what science is - and how it is his goal to sublimate philosphy into science. Therefore Philosophy wasnt Even scientific in his view - why he Tried to build a scientific ground for all of the philosophy.
For him philosophy is something that precedes and at the same time comes After every real science. Not in the sense that Philosophy is „higher“ than this or that science - but philsophy is the very method of every real science (like for example today physics - the approach of it).
While you could argue that hes idealistic i think it comes to short to see him like that. Actually his famous quote - „to see substance as subject“ (two words which were used since the greece) is really materialistic.
@@22kazaam
Like I've said, 'What is Hegel's dialectical method? [Part 1]' is a great place to start with for Hegel, but folks could also check out the work of Hegelian scholars and philosophers such as Prof. Richard Dien Winfield--or they could just read The Science of Logic directly--Hegel's most important work.
There isn't an easy way to put this but Hegelian logic is the logic of sense-meaning (which ultimately is all we have), which is to say when you think of an idea, of anything (not the language you use to signal to the idea), it has a particular meaning which has a relationship to other meanings, and Hegelianism is trying to figure out what that is like. As such, the basic method of Hegel is 'immanent critique' which is when you think an idea, not think about an idea but do the action of thinking it, you examine that idea like a detective and don't project any formulas or W/E onto the content you're investigating but you simply see where the meaning of the idea leads. And immanent critique is actually the most basic form of analysis.
But this has to be something you're interested if you wanna pursue it--nobody needs to study Hegelianism just like nobody needs to study biology or physics--if they aren't curious and passionate 'bout it.
@@CantusTropus yeah no like the other guy said you don't really understand Hegel, which is fine, it doesn't matter if you do or don't, but Hegelianism is also materialist but just a bunch of other things as well. And Hegel heavily influenced the whole of Germen and other societies well beyond Marx, albeit indirectly.
I really dislike how Oda is seemingly rushing the end of the series now. If this is motivated by personal reasons such as not wanting to work on OP for the next decade then I'd rather he delegate most of the production out to his staff (he's been working on this for 25 years, surely he has a trained, competent staff...?) and just do the minimum necessary writing and advisory work.
I think OP will end with 2 final bosses, blackbeard, who is on the pirate side of things, and Im, the WG final boss
The only thing that would upset me would be Im being some chump like Saint Charlos
Im perfectly aligns with the themes of ONE piece, I feel
I noticed a while ago that One piece is kind allegory for the new world order. This vid really confirms it for me. The people/person at the top is hidden and pulls the strings from behind so that 1) no one knows who really has the control 2) any anger is directed at the wrong person and 3) anyone who gets too close can be eliminated without drawing attention to the person in charge. As those below from the unimportant to the important are exposed, it gets harder and harder for the person at the top to remain hidden, so at the end he'll have to step out for the final battle. Best stories are always inspired from real life.
You make too much sense. We crafted and well written script for the video. Kudos.
It would be an icing on cake if Im was someone whom we already knew in the story but never paid much attention to. Definitely not pandaman, but say someone like Vegapunk or the previous Joy Boy.
I feel like there’s going to be at least 100 chapters dedicated to IM if their the final villain 🤣🤣
I feel like the coming arcs will be nowhere near as long as Wano, I think Oda is done with that and I kinda hope he is as act 3 weren’t great
@@bashuggs1205 agree, wano was so long I stopped caring after a while 😂
There’s no reason for anything to be as long as Wano. We already know all the main players and their crews as opposed to the Big Mom and Beast pirates before their arcs. All Oda needs is to flesh them out some and set us up for that final act. Shouldn’t take long.
Just a personal thought, but I strongly believe Oda choose the name Im(u) from the English word "him".
I think "Him" is similar to the character from the Powerpuff girls : he is "the evil with no real name"
For me the "Imu is umi (sea) backwards because the sea stands for freedom and he is the polar opposite of freedom" theory makes more sense.
4:55 I don't know why I noticed now
Marie Joies
La joie is the joy in English
Joy boy vs Mary Joy for the end of the world on top of the world
If im isn’t the true final villain or Blackbeard im gonna be tight.
I've been saying this for 4 years, since IM was introduced and finally more people are starting to think about this possibility and understand why it makes so much sense.
I felt like a mad man for 4 years... I literally said everything you said in your other video and nobody believed me 😂, but I'm glad the community is finally catching up to this idea.
I think 2 super subtle and not even explicit "hints" at IM's existence does not make for a very strong argument. I think your main arguments hinges on those 2 hints (which are weak at best) while your other arguments for IM not being a "last minute" addition is conjecture at best. IM being revealed perfectly during reverie is irrelevant to him not being hinted at earlier or more explicitly. And the rhythm argument isn't very strong either since Oda can still follow a set rhythm while still hinting at IM multiple times before hand. There doesn't need to be only 2 hints for his "rhythm" to work. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Kaguya 2.0 but I think ppl need to realize that Oda does add last minute stuff to his story all the time, to point it out doesn't make Oda a bad writer.
I don't necessarily think that's the case, if only because the end-of-dressrosa scene is so blatantly alluding to a figure like IM. If not IM exactly, then at *least* a group that has authority over the Gorosei who'd be introduced in IMs place.
IM has been alluded to since the first arc of the New World, which I don't think we can call last minute.
I think it's a middle ground between Morj's optimistic view and yours, and the rhythm argument does make sense. You can't drop hints about an evil someone who sits atop it all when we don't even know that the World Government is bad. If we got any hints, no matter how subtle, about a big bad who controlled the WG, before we even know that the WG is doing all sorts of things (like genocide) to prevent the Void Century history from being found out, it would spoil the progression of reveals about the true nature of the world. Instead of being a righteous organization that had some bad apples, it would reveal a lot earlier that someone evil was controlling them all along and so we'd always be expecting them to be the final villains. If anything, hinting at someone above it all wouldn't even make sense before introducing the Tenryuubito. Maybe Oda didn't think of Im from the absolute beginning but I doubt this hasn't been on his mind since at least the Enies Lobby arc.
@@williamchristy9463 on second thought Sakazuki's conversation is pretty good foreshadowing, though I will still posture that more hints would've probably smoothed out IM's reveal.
@@userusernomi i don't think giving out more foreshadowing of IM's existence is as hard as you make it out to be, he doesn't have to be foreshadowed on ch1 but keep in mind that IM only has 2 hints!!!! like cmon are you saying 3 hints will ruin the story and Oda's rhythm that badly? I think the more time a villain has a chance to be build up the better, like for example blackbeard is shaping up to be a great villain.
@@zoulzopan well, I'm not against more hints, just saying that the hints could only have started after a certain point in the story. To me, it'd only make sense to start alluding to someone like Im after *at least* the Sabaody arc because of the Tenryuubito. So starting from Marineford? Sure, I would have liked a couple more hints too.
So Oda’s inspiration for One Piece was studying American history. Since the 90s.
That being considered, he’s probably drawn inspiration to keep this series going for another 1500 chapters based on the past goofy ass 30 years.
the soundtrack of this video was perfect for this topic very errie and mysterious and a feeling of somthing looming in the shandows hence represnting IM
I'm curious why you think Oda has yet to reveal Im's face. I actually have a full theory that addresses that and what I think will happen in the penultimate arc of the series, but I want to know YOUR thoughts on the subject.
what ... they can still make smaller decisions at the reverie, no? It's not completely meaningless, Im does have final say, but does he really get involved in everything? He has already let a lot of things slide (Luffy just roaming freely while having punched a celestial dragon)
Imu himself defeated the original Giant Warrior Pirates, also OGJoyboy and is responsible for the disappearance of God Valley as He was on the island as well secretly over seeing the transport of the original Celestial Dragons as well as some other nefarious motives he may have had for being on that island and remember the Navy didn't know Roger's reason for being there either and just Capatilized on the rare and unforeseen situation.
Man your channel is extremely underrated. Your takes are very good and are inline with how Oda does things. I just hope people these days could be more like you. A lot of Fake fans have been spawning lately and capitalize on the hate of the recent chapters and not appreciating how long the series took to get to this point. I hope more people see this as this clearly and concisely tell what I wanted to tell these cretins. lol
The sound effects in the background of this video are so good, good shit Morj 🤞
Watching you makes the show so much better for me, appreciate yo content😭
It may be nonsense but Mihawk has similar eyes to Im, and after Luffy told him his dream he said that it's even harder than defeating him.
Does Mihawk knows Im?
Whitebeard was impressed by his duel with Shanks but did not show any emotion on Shanks conquerors.
For anyone to say that being a pirate king is harder than surpassing WSS, they would have to know the stakes/criteria of being a Pirate King.
So how did Mihawk know how to be a Pirate King?
Imu is the national treasure of Mariejois, and the secret Dofi held over their head.
Theres a Good theory that IMU sama actually is....
FoxY...
This type of analysi video is what made morj as Morj.
He is the king when it comes to theme analysis contents.
Imu is indeed the greatest of Imu
I agree that Imu was introduced at the perfect time