My jaw literally dropped when I took it into a Task Force and anything I pointed at died nearly instantly, like before the ships even finished their warp-in animation they were dead. I named mine the USS Artemis and I love her, she kills aliens good.
STO? I found an ... Interaction with this ship. If you put the Defiant's Stealth Fighter set on her, she can fire the Micro Quantums while cloaked, without breaking cloak.
@@briguy345 Ran it a few time on different missions. Felt like I was commanding a Boomer submarine. If I had to guess a reason, I think a "Disabled when Cloaked" check was not set. So it is most likely a bug and could be patched at any time.
@@gmradio2436 I NEED to test this ingame to see if it still exists, I recently bought the ship and am doing a brand new play-through with it, and currently the ship is far too OP for my stage in the game, even with the scaling, and that is while not even USING the micro quantums, after I used the ability once and witnessed 3 enemy ships be deleted because of that.
Glad that the Dominion war made the Federation go: "Hey guys, aren't we all a little tired of getting our asses beaten to the brink of defeat because we insist on having no dedicated warships? How about we stop doing that?"
My theory is that the Defiant and Prometheus were the transformative moment ships; both were out-and-out dedicated warships hiding behind the fact they were essentially prototypes put into full service. When the Federation realised they did actually need full blown warships and the existence of such ships wouldn't trigger a war, it developed more conventional designs such as the Achilles; an average sized vessel without the experimental tech like the MVAM, but armed to the absolute teeth and tough enough to be able to take on ships much, much larger.
Favourite thing about this is how clear the guns show and how they look and shoot and how the torps bays looks and shoots from. It just looks and says war and performs ace too. The discovery weapon set just looks soo cool on it aswell as you just see the torps fire out the top and hit ships all around you it makes for some cinematic battles.
I love that Humanity is always willing to negotiate and be diplomatic...but are also capable of making some of the most bad ass warships out there when the time for talk is over, and all that is left is to throw down!
@@Demobot1 "One never knew who one was fighting, and knowing your enemy is the first rule of war. It was... frustrating to fight Starfleet." ~Karn The Undying, Prelude to Axanar
I bought and played the Dominion War game back in 2001, I loved that game and the Achilles was my favorite ship (aside from the D’Deridex, that will always be my favorite) in the game, and you better believe I bought the Achilles as soon as it was available on STO
I've been hoping for this ship to end up in STO for years. I had just convinced myself that I had enough ships but I ended up getting the entire bundle because I was so thrilled to see the Achilles.
@@senorstyx3011 Not if she was named after her WW2 namesake, like Enterprise is. Achilles had a storied history, both during and after the war. It is a shame the name is not from that time period.
NGL, the Achilles Class gives some vibes of a Klingon design. The Vor'cha Class comes to mind, but far more streamlined and modern. The sort of stubby wings in the aft section. The drooping down nacelles featured prominently just like the Vor'cha and far more heavily armed. The Achilles would be if you took a Klingon design, made it less "utilitarian" and more angular and more purposeful. And finally added more powerful impulse engines. This ship means business, and if your business is the business of war? The Achilles will make sure they are remembered, assuming you survive to tell about it.
"Starfleet does not believe in warships." Hey kids, check out our new ship with giant repeater phaser canons on the front, named for one of the most famously arrogant warriors of all time!
I honestly believe that the TNG Era was a era of Federation arrogance. They believed themselves 'peaceful explorers' from near a century of relative stability and peace. The explored new space, but from the perspective of say Romulans, these are incursions. The Borg arrived and wiped out an entire fleet. Starfleet quickly lost that belief that they were 'peaceful explorers', and started to create warships. Because the frontier fights back.
@@Daginni1 There's nothing wrong with peaceful exploration. Look at it this way: If the Federation HADN'T grown and learned during this period, adding new species to the union, they wouldn't have had the size, industry, or know-how to stand off all the threats that came later. The arrogance was that they thought the good times were the natural state of the world...and in that they mimicked the decades after the Cold War ended in the real world.
@@Daginni1 There's also the cumulative effect that the more civilisations you negotiate to join your alliance, the larger your border and the more potential conflicts you'll run into, as well as the greater responsibility to protect your new allies. The Federation and Starfleet still had a goal of peaceful exploration, but recognised that to protect that peace they needed formidable firepower. "Speak softly and carry a big stick" as the saying goes.
This design was another 'love at first sight,' like the Akira. Love the look, the lines of the ship. Really wish Dominion Wars would run on later OS's. Still have many of my now ancient games in a box.
TBF the federation had a habit of building some really awesome warships, only to realise after it turns out to be way to OP for everyday needs and really good at what they designed it to do. They then promptly either redesign it into a short science ship or mothball the entire program and try to forget about it if possible.
It was a VERY bad habit at that. I mean, HOW MANY TIMES have the Federation scrambled to defend itself once all out war broke out? Honest to god they shoulda learned their lesson after the FIRST war they found themselves in.
This would be a great time to make a new show in the old style of star trek. Making a series about this ship would be something i would watch. Patrolling the dangerous areas of star fleets borders, revisiting places form TNG and DS9.
I like the ship's ability to project firepower forward like a Klingon ship, except without sacrificing its typical Starfleet 360 degree firing arcs and point defense which prevents it from being flanked. What I don't like are the illuminated windows visible on the flat underside of the saucer section, making the ship a glass-bottom boat I guess.
I wondered about the lower deck windows myself...🤔 I guess space is so limited that they flipped the artificial gravity and the bottom deck is actually upside down. 🤷🏻♂️
Getting the Achilles, the Typhon and the Premonition in the Heriage Bundle was awesome and I'd love them to be introduced to canon if Legacy ever gets made. After all, just because they were brand new ships in the 24th century in games, doesn't mean they can't be made brand new ships in the 25th century when introduced to canon.
the Achilles IS b etter then the Defiant. She's a proper ship of the line. She's several times the size and over a dozen times the mass of the Defiant. She carries a much better gun loadout and she's also got a lot more armor to boot. Whats also impressive is the fact that she has a drive system modified from the engine plant on the Sovereign. She's as fast as the Sovereign and she can outfly most other Federation ships.
It would have been a better concept than the Inquiry at the end of Picard series 1. Add in a bit of Prometheus DNA and greatly reduce the number turning up in the copy/paste fleet, because it is so overpowered. It should even be capable of Burst Quantum Slipstream in order to be a optimised interceptor fast response battlecruiser, of a wounded and paranoid Starfleet that wanted a pure combat ship that could BQS to anywhere in Federation territory that was under attack. So they built a "the Calvary is here" ship in enough numbers to put out any small fires within Federation territory. But not as such an overwhelming fleet that Dominion War mark 2 would be a cakewalk for Starfleet. It was the response to raids and border skirmishes of those that thought the Federation might be vulnerable.
the way I see it is that it is the out of wedlock ofspring between the intrepid and defiant classes. trekyards in right, it could use a spinal lance to go with that hex canon.
Sovereign, Intrepid, Prometheus, Ross, Odyssey, Inquiry, and many more are better than the Defiant. The Defiant is not even good compared to its own extensive retrofits. Reminder, Defiant 1 had extensive retrofits before entering the Gamma Quadrant. We never see an unmodified Defiant Class in action, just reports. Starts to move into Ship of Thesesu territory after a bit. Defiant 2 retrofit 2 can not be considered the same ship. Honestly any ship build after the Defiant is better off, and less likely to shake itself to pieces.
I just realized that Starfleet would do well to design oscillating Impulse vents for a whole new level of maneuverability. A setup like that would be scores faster for evasive patterns than thrusters alone.
This ship looks like a variant of the Norway class, just a wee bit more rounded on some areas and the cut in the bow. Biggest difference is that red light on the underside of the saucer. I like the look. Upwards firing weapons is clearly taken from the german "Schräge Music" from WWII where planes shot diagonally or directly upwards or downwards, the Russians and some others tried it as well to varying success, though it never got introduced into service in large numbers.
This is a actually a great idea for both a ship and, what I think it could also be with some modifications, a modular starbase that acts as a FOB. Place four of these facing outwards and connect them together could act as a short term anchorage, with significant firepower, for repairing shuttles and larger ships. If a section gets damaged, it can fly away and be replaced very easily while the rest of the base continues to operate.
Rather nice looking vessel. Seems more 'real world' a design than most vessels. Nice tight profile that would make it harder to hit when heading to or from an enemy. I had yet to see a vessel I would like to command in Trek but I think this might be the one. I love alot of the vessels mind you but, most required such large crews to maintain them, where I would prefer a smaller crew. While the Defiant would can be run on a smaller crew I always though it a tad too small for longer missions. It always felt more like an insystem/short range vessel.
Oh I LOVED Dominion Wars. It was an absolutely genius tactical game with multiple interlocking gameplay elements. For example, you got points before every mission that you would use to requisition ships, captains that make your ships fight better (not just your Sisko's , Martok's or Gul Dukat's, but even deeper cuts like Erika Banteen), and crew....which normally just provides a small bonus and some redundancy to survive crew losses. But investing in crew was totally broken, but clearly intentionally, because there was a hidden trick in using large crews. In the actual combat you could just fire at an enemy ship or specifically target weapons, shields or engines (at the cost of lower number of direct hits). So target engines and the ship goes boom fast, target weapons on beefy targets so you don't get pasted taking them on...but target shields...and you do almost no direct damage to your target...so why do it? Well that brings down the shields and now you can activate your transporters and send in your massive crews to go capture the enemy ship....and once they chew through the opponent crew (and crew was split between Security, Flight, and Engineers) you have a new ship added to your little fleet that your spare crew can now use on the rest of the mission. I just kept doing it and would end every mission with like 3-4 times as many ships as I started with. I imagine myself as some insane Starfleet Captain with massive casualty numbers but with an ever growing fleet of captured Dominion, Cardassian, and Breen ships under their command. Though no you don't get to keep them, the missions always reset and you again get points for the next mission.
It's way before it's time. It looks like a ship that's better suited somewhere like 2418 onwards. Even shape and all. Possibly an Enterprise H candidate. And Achilles was a proud of his craft warrior, knowing his value(in person to person combat unparalleled in his lifetime and even possibly era). Maybe some would like to name the class after a famous coward that was Paris; That would suit their worldview better perhaps. Don't believe everything you see or read in Star Trek. -"Star Trek's philosophy doesn't include money" -"What are they playing Dabo for? Elephants?" (DS9, latinum's existance as a currency origins).
Considering the fact that Star Trek weapons cut through even the most armoured and compact starship designs like they were made out of paper, is it really fair to consider the neck of a typical Federation cruiser a "weak point"? The most well armoured parts of those ships fair no better under phaser/disrupter/photon torpedo fire, which I'd argue is precisely why we see so many slender, graceful designs in Trek. From the Galaxy to the long necked Klingon designs. If they were really such a weakness, such designs would never have been a part of Star Trek, let alone lasting right up to the present day. The lack of a neck is purely a design choice, intended to make the ship look more aggressive.
I was thinking the same thing but it's also true that, if we take two ships with the same hull/armor and shield strength, the one with less structural weak points is a better choice in general. You're still correct because I'm not a huge Trek fan and I don't know if later designs are consistent or go from an extreme to the other.
Back in the day there was rumor going around that this would be the next hero ship in a new star trek series. Turned out to be false, but i remember people talking about.
The Achilles need not be watered down, just limited in scope. It could have limited utility in exploration while remaining a much heavier hitter than the hero ships, which are more generalist in nature. A class called on when the federation needs it to fight a foe the generalist ships struggle with.
I'm sorry, sorry, so sorry for this...not trying to be mean, just have to get it out of my system. It's Federation, not Fedawation. Either way, your videos are AWESOME!
You’re getting the Jem’ hadar battleship and dreadnought mixed up. The battleship is the equivalent of a galaxy class the dreadnought is the larger size that the valiant fought
I'm sure star fleet had a predator class which would be the warship built for war. You wouldn't need to label every size ship but you could go from personal small fighter crafts to massive battleships that had 5 armored hulls, 5 shields, and many phaser and torpedoes banks to dish out anything out in space.
This ship reminds me of other ships only in the Galactica universe it's like the combination of a Starfleet ship and a Battlestar class ship and this is what you get.I bet that the person who designed it will confirm it and if I am wrong then I learned something new!!!
I highly recommend going for this. I love my Titan but this thing is a lot stronger and the console & experimental are awesome and trait is amazing for torp builds.
I tried to use my T6 coupons to get the Achilles and the Typhon after completing the latest event campaign, but I found that the game wouldn't let me use the free ship tokens to obtain any of the Heritage Bundle ships. Maybe they won't be exempted next year.
@@mleadenham1 some of the T6 coupons only allow for use on ships NOT found in the New Items tab of the Zen Store; this restriction can be seen asterisked in the coupon's description on mouse-over. you just have to wait for those ships to cycle out of the New Items tab. that will likely take months, though. i vaguely remember having to wait more than half a year on a New ship, for said same reason.
Always love the look of the defiant. I think it's a timeless look that unfortunately in deep space nine got kind of screwed over IMO. I I don't think the writers allowed the defiant to live up to the hype.
This is an awesome ship. Coincidence..I was thinking just before getting this on today's list of videos "for you", this being..a question of what the devil..would a KLINGON version of a GALAXY CLASS, look like.? I would really love to see everybody's ideas.!
Basically if you want the firepower of a galaxy but with ablative armor and sleek profile. Perhaps my favourite ship. Starfleet Basically all cards on the table with this vessel
Thing i always hated about the game was how those cannons worked, once fired it should go in a straight line, but it bends and curves towards a target, i couldn't get past that and had to quit playing. Always liked the look of the Achilles tho, definitely fit into the ST universe.
I remember that ship from Dominion Wars, I've still got my copy of it but since Win XP came out it hasn't worked, even using compatibility mode for Windows 98 it still won't run on anything other than pre-pentium 4 era systems. I did mod it in to the Star Trek Armada games though.
So if you include every Canon and faction what are the strongest ships? If you were sent into the star trek universe and could only pick one ship which would it be?
Defiant was meant to strike the Borg in groups. The Achilles was meant to hard counter the Jem'Hadar. Both built for one purpose. To Fight up close and personal.
It's not necessarily not canon because it depends entirely upon the terms of the licence. CD Projekt Red's lore surrounding _The Witcher_ is 100% canon because their licence allows for that. The extended Dune Universe created by Brian Herbert are canonical because the licence he publishes under allows that. To definitively answer whether the Achilles is canon one would have to know the terms of the licence. I suggest sticking to the line "it's complicated" as a stock answer. Just to point out as well that the ship breaks the in-line Nacelle rule, unless they pivot like Voyager but your video doesn't discuss that.
Question, does Earth in the ST universe have a military separate from Starfleet producing actual dedicated fighting ships for war and combat? Or does Starfleet just do it all?
I believe Gene Roddenberry had implied that there had to be space between nacells as it was the interaction between the two that created the warp bubble and as such any warp capable vessel had to have that setup. Anything in between would cause issues if I recall correctly. I don't know why they couldn't have them internally with an open cavity between them though.
i could see the inquiry be inspired by the achilles class like let say after the destruction of thier main shipyard the federation ship design team sad we need a ship that could be build in wast numbers and as powerfull as a sovereign class and they though dont we have something like it in the dominion and then they looked on the achilles and sad how can we improve it and update the design
Reason why it isn't popular: can't saucer seperation for Picard's tea and can't multi vector assault mode for a middle finger flip with 2 hologram doctors.
This ship is awesome I have this game an by mission 7 I have this ship sometimes by last mission 2 , but yes it’s awesome, an I use main ship to attack an have the other guard me an it will take you to the end an win
My jaw literally dropped when I took it into a Task Force and anything I pointed at died nearly instantly, like before the ships even finished their warp-in animation they were dead. I named mine the USS Artemis and I love her, she kills aliens good.
STO? I found an ... Interaction with this ship. If you put the Defiant's Stealth Fighter set on her, she can fire the Micro Quantums while cloaked, without breaking cloak.
@@gmradio2436 no way
@@briguy345 Ran it a few time on different missions. Felt like I was commanding a Boomer submarine.
If I had to guess a reason, I think a "Disabled when Cloaked" check was not set. So it is most likely a bug and could be patched at any time.
Mine's named U.S.S. Kali-Ma after the Indian goddess of destruction and creation
@@gmradio2436 I NEED to test this ingame to see if it still exists, I recently bought the ship and am doing a brand new play-through with it, and currently the ship is far too OP for my stage in the game, even with the scaling, and that is while not even USING the micro quantums, after I used the ability once and witnessed 3 enemy ships be deleted because of that.
Glad that the Dominion war made the Federation go: "Hey guys, aren't we all a little tired of getting our asses beaten to the brink of defeat because we insist on having no dedicated warships? How about we stop doing that?"
@@Theguywholikedthethinginthevid 😂😂😂😂
My theory is that the Defiant and Prometheus were the transformative moment ships; both were out-and-out dedicated warships hiding behind the fact they were essentially prototypes put into full service. When the Federation realised they did actually need full blown warships and the existence of such ships wouldn't trigger a war, it developed more conventional designs such as the Achilles; an average sized vessel without the experimental tech like the MVAM, but armed to the absolute teeth and tough enough to be able to take on ships much, much larger.
Favourite thing about this is how clear the guns show and how they look and shoot and how the torps bays looks and shoots from. It just looks and says war and performs ace too. The discovery weapon set just looks soo cool on it aswell as you just see the torps fire out the top and hit ships all around you it makes for some cinematic battles.
I love that Humanity is always willing to negotiate and be diplomatic...but are also capable of making some of the most bad ass warships out there when the time for talk is over, and all that is left is to throw down!
Basically 21st Germany, "Yeah, we're being nice to you because we know what's under our own skin."
Humans are nice - until they are not.
Just so we are clear, the federation isn't just humanity.
Fighting on behalf of another may just drive the federation in that way.
@@Demobot1 "One never knew who one was fighting, and knowing your enemy is the first rule of war. It was... frustrating to fight Starfleet." ~Karn The Undying, Prelude to Axanar
I bought and played the Dominion War game back in 2001, I loved that game and the Achilles was my favorite ship (aside from the D’Deridex, that will always be my favorite) in the game, and you better believe I bought the Achilles as soon as it was available on STO
I've been hoping for this ship to end up in STO for years. I had just convinced myself that I had enough ships but I ended up getting the entire bundle because I was so thrilled to see the Achilles.
The way I see it, Achilles class is the Defiant on steroids.
With nearly the Size of a Galaxy Class
Achilles is a cross between the Defiant and the Sovereign. She's a true beast on the field.
@brettnelson7048 one problem, it called Achilles, so this would mean it has a major flaw.
@@senorstyx3011 Not if she was named after her WW2 namesake, like Enterprise is.
Achilles had a storied history, both during and after the war. It is a shame the name is not from that time period.
@@senorstyx3011 the only flaw I see is not enough space for isomags.
Talk about a blast from the past! I always saw the Achilles class as the coked out love child of an Intrepid class and Defiant class.
NGL, the Achilles Class gives some vibes of a Klingon design. The Vor'cha Class comes to mind, but far more streamlined and modern. The sort of stubby wings in the aft section. The drooping down nacelles featured prominently just like the Vor'cha and far more heavily armed. The Achilles would be if you took a Klingon design, made it less "utilitarian" and more angular and more purposeful. And finally added more powerful impulse engines. This ship means business, and if your business is the business of war? The Achilles will make sure they are remembered, assuming you survive to tell about it.
"Starfleet does not believe in warships."
Hey kids, check out our new ship with giant repeater phaser canons on the front, named for one of the most famously arrogant warriors of all time!
I honestly believe that the TNG Era was a era of Federation arrogance. They believed themselves 'peaceful explorers' from near a century of relative stability and peace. The explored new space, but from the perspective of say Romulans, these are incursions. The Borg arrived and wiped out an entire fleet.
Starfleet quickly lost that belief that they were 'peaceful explorers', and started to create warships. Because the frontier fights back.
@@Daginni1 There's nothing wrong with peaceful exploration. Look at it this way: If the Federation HADN'T grown and learned during this period, adding new species to the union, they wouldn't have had the size, industry, or know-how to stand off all the threats that came later.
The arrogance was that they thought the good times were the natural state of the world...and in that they mimicked the decades after the Cold War ended in the real world.
@@Daginni1 There's also the cumulative effect that the more civilisations you negotiate to join your alliance, the larger your border and the more potential conflicts you'll run into, as well as the greater responsibility to protect your new allies.
The Federation and Starfleet still had a goal of peaceful exploration, but recognised that to protect that peace they needed formidable firepower.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick" as the saying goes.
It's not a warship it is a Forceful Negation Diplomatic Vessel .
@@alyssadraculesti On Achilles' ship plate: "War is a continuation of Diplomacy by other means..."
The Typhon and Valkyrie fighters remain a personal favorite, I loved the Star Trek Invasion game.
Armament:
Phasers:
- 16 collimated Type-XII phaser arrays
- 8 Mark-XII forward pulse phaser cannons
Torpedo launchers:
- 10 variable-use torpedo launchers
- 10 mini-torpedo phalanx arrays (5 port, 5 starboard)
Torpedo payload:
- 50 transphasic torpedoes
- 150 quantum torpedoes
- 300 high-yield photon torpedoes
- 1,200 quantum mini-torpedoes
This design was another 'love at first sight,' like the Akira. Love the look, the lines of the ship. Really wish Dominion Wars would run on later OS's. Still have many of my now ancient games in a box.
TBF the federation had a habit of building some really awesome warships, only to realise after it turns out to be way to OP for everyday needs and really good at what they designed it to do. They then promptly either redesign it into a short science ship or mothball the entire program and try to forget about it if possible.
It was a VERY bad habit at that.
I mean, HOW MANY TIMES have the Federation scrambled to defend itself once all out war broke out?
Honest to god they shoulda learned their lesson after the FIRST war they found themselves in.
The Achilles Class was literally my passion and obsession as a kid when it comes to any TNG/Dominion War Era ships.
This would be a great time to make a new show in the old style of star trek. Making a series about this ship would be something i would watch. Patrolling the dangerous areas of star fleets borders, revisiting places form TNG and DS9.
Again my favorite ship in Star Trek getting some needed love.
Finally. A starship ship that's a battle Cruiser
In STO there are a multiple. My favorite is the Concorde
They keep calling it small when it's 612 meters long; nearly double a modern aircraft carrier.
@@johnsteiner3417 Long yes, but not a whole lot of decks. The 643 meter Galaxy Class for example, has a shit ton more volume and space inside her.
I like the ship's ability to project firepower forward like a Klingon ship, except without sacrificing its typical Starfleet 360 degree firing arcs and point defense which prevents it from being flanked.
What I don't like are the illuminated windows visible on the flat underside of the saucer section, making the ship a glass-bottom boat I guess.
I wondered about the lower deck windows myself...🤔 I guess space is so limited that they flipped the artificial gravity and the bottom deck is actually upside down. 🤷🏻♂️
@@earlware4322 Maybe they call them "wishing wells" instead of windows?
Getting the Achilles, the Typhon and the Premonition in the Heriage Bundle was awesome and I'd love them to be introduced to canon if Legacy ever gets made. After all, just because they were brand new ships in the 24th century in games, doesn't mean they can't be made brand new ships in the 25th century when introduced to canon.
After using this thing in all the Battlezones in STO I can safely say this ship hits. And it it hits HARD.
the Achilles IS b etter then the Defiant. She's a proper ship of the line. She's several times the size and over a dozen times the mass of the Defiant. She carries a much better gun loadout and she's also got a lot more armor to boot. Whats also impressive is the fact that she has a drive system modified from the engine plant on the Sovereign.
She's as fast as the Sovereign and she can outfly most other Federation ships.
@@shep9231
Does it cloak?
@@OnePlusOneEqualsOnePlusOne Anything in Star Trek Online can cloak with the proper modules.
It would have been a better concept than the Inquiry at the end of Picard series 1.
Add in a bit of Prometheus DNA and greatly reduce the number turning up in the copy/paste fleet, because it is so overpowered.
It should even be capable of Burst Quantum Slipstream in order to be a optimised interceptor fast response battlecruiser, of a wounded and paranoid Starfleet that wanted a pure combat ship that could BQS to anywhere in Federation territory that was under attack.
So they built a "the Calvary is here" ship in enough numbers to put out any small fires within Federation territory.
But not as such an overwhelming fleet that Dominion War mark 2 would be a cakewalk for Starfleet.
It was the response to raids and border skirmishes of those that thought the Federation might be vulnerable.
That view from below reminds me of the Inquiry class. (EDIT: Posted this comment early in the video, before it called out the same itself).
Achilles is my daily driver!
Same. It is absolutely broken in Terms of dmg... I can deal around 38k Dmg with the Hexycannon ALONE
A federation vessel with VLS cells. Only decades overdue.
Calling a combat ship Achilles is like making a passenger Starliner called Titanic.
At least they didn’t name it the Hector.
Nice video, creative ideas of weaponry for the starship😊
Of Federation vessels the Achilles is one of my favorites (#2 imo). Right up there with the Sovereign (my top fav) and the Akira workhorse (third).
the way I see it is that it is the out of wedlock ofspring between the intrepid and defiant classes. trekyards in right, it could use a spinal lance to go with that hex canon.
Nothing is better than the Defiant 🐐🐐🐐
you are wrong... your lack of knowlege is astounding...
@@shep9231 about what?
Too bad we never got see the defiant class in its full glory, swarming a borg cube en masse tearing it up
Sovereign, Intrepid, Prometheus, Ross, Odyssey, Inquiry, and many more are better than the Defiant. The Defiant is not even good compared to its own extensive retrofits. Reminder, Defiant 1 had extensive retrofits before entering the Gamma Quadrant. We never see an unmodified Defiant Class in action, just reports. Starts to move into Ship of Thesesu territory after a bit. Defiant 2 retrofit 2 can not be considered the same ship.
Honestly any ship build after the Defiant is better off, and less likely to shake itself to pieces.
@@gmradio2436 you forgot the lalipop
It has an interesting design shape to it
That ship was in Starfleet Command III, it was a GREAT ship to fight with. So many great elements in that game that STO has really missed out....
Wow nice ship tough little one kick but
Ive been lovkng the ship in STO so far.
I just realized that Starfleet would do well to design oscillating Impulse vents for a whole new level of maneuverability. A setup like that would be scores faster for evasive patterns than thrusters alone.
This ship looks like a variant of the Norway class, just a wee bit more rounded on some areas and the cut in the bow.
Biggest difference is that red light on the underside of the saucer. I like the look.
Upwards firing weapons is clearly taken from the german "Schräge Music" from WWII where planes shot diagonally or directly upwards or downwards, the Russians and some others tried it as well to varying success, though it never got introduced into service in large numbers.
This is a actually a great idea for both a ship and, what I think it could also be with some modifications, a modular starbase that acts as a FOB. Place four of these facing outwards and connect them together could act as a short term anchorage, with significant firepower, for repairing shuttles and larger ships. If a section gets damaged, it can fly away and be replaced very easily while the rest of the base continues to operate.
I love Dominion War back in the day. It wasn’t that great of a game but it scratched the itch for a ST ship game
I have used this since I bought it. I can one hit just about anything. Especially with the micro quantums
Rather nice looking vessel. Seems more 'real world' a design than most vessels. Nice tight profile that would make it harder to hit when heading to or from an enemy. I had yet to see a vessel I would like to command in Trek but I think this might be the one. I love alot of the vessels mind you but, most required such large crews to maintain them, where I would prefer a smaller crew. While the Defiant would can be run on a smaller crew I always though it a tad too small for longer missions. It always felt more like an insystem/short range vessel.
The one thing I don't like about the Achilles is the deflector. Something about it just sets me on edge.
Oh I LOVED Dominion Wars. It was an absolutely genius tactical game with multiple interlocking gameplay elements. For example, you got points before every mission that you would use to requisition ships, captains that make your ships fight better (not just your Sisko's , Martok's or Gul Dukat's, but even deeper cuts like Erika Banteen), and crew....which normally just provides a small bonus and some redundancy to survive crew losses. But investing in crew was totally broken, but clearly intentionally, because there was a hidden trick in using large crews. In the actual combat you could just fire at an enemy ship or specifically target weapons, shields or engines (at the cost of lower number of direct hits). So target engines and the ship goes boom fast, target weapons on beefy targets so you don't get pasted taking them on...but target shields...and you do almost no direct damage to your target...so why do it? Well that brings down the shields and now you can activate your transporters and send in your massive crews to go capture the enemy ship....and once they chew through the opponent crew (and crew was split between Security, Flight, and Engineers) you have a new ship added to your little fleet that your spare crew can now use on the rest of the mission. I just kept doing it and would end every mission with like 3-4 times as many ships as I started with. I imagine myself as some insane Starfleet Captain with massive casualty numbers but with an ever growing fleet of captured Dominion, Cardassian, and Breen ships under their command. Though no you don't get to keep them, the missions always reset and you again get points for the next mission.
4:27 yeah it’s not that size in game , I flew my Concorde right next to it and it was only slightly smaller ( approximately 750-800 meters )
It's way before it's time. It looks like a ship that's better suited somewhere like 2418 onwards. Even shape and all. Possibly an Enterprise H candidate. And Achilles was a proud of his craft warrior, knowing his value(in person to person combat unparalleled in his lifetime and even possibly era). Maybe some would like to name the class after a famous coward that was Paris; That would suit their worldview better perhaps. Don't believe everything you see or read in Star Trek. -"Star Trek's philosophy doesn't include money" -"What are they playing Dabo for? Elephants?" (DS9, latinum's existance as a currency origins).
I am a life time Suber to STO. I will have to check this out. I just returned to game a couple of months ago. I had 35K zen when I came back.
Considering the fact that Star Trek weapons cut through even the most armoured and compact starship designs like they were made out of paper, is it really fair to consider the neck of a typical Federation cruiser a "weak point"? The most well armoured parts of those ships fair no better under phaser/disrupter/photon torpedo fire, which I'd argue is precisely why we see so many slender, graceful designs in Trek. From the Galaxy to the long necked Klingon designs. If they were really such a weakness, such designs would never have been a part of Star Trek, let alone lasting right up to the present day. The lack of a neck is purely a design choice, intended to make the ship look more aggressive.
I was thinking the same thing but it's also true that, if we take two ships with the same hull/armor and shield strength, the one with less structural weak points is a better choice in general. You're still correct because I'm not a huge Trek fan and I don't know if later designs are consistent or go from an extreme to the other.
yah armor means nothing once u lose your shields anyways, maybe with ablative armor u can take a hit or two if your lucky before hull breach.
i hope we get a tv show abuot this ship one day
You mean, the Federation redesigned the Battle Star Galactica?
“KEEP MY SHIP’S F-ING NAME OUT YOUR MOIUTH!!” 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Ben Sisko.
Put her in the show as is. The Borg have OP ships. Starfleet needs at least 1 OP ship class
Back in the day there was rumor going around that this would be the next hero ship in a new star trek series. Turned out to be false, but i remember people talking about.
2:13 - I am confused it clearly has Defiant style phaser cannons.
I added an Achilles Class mod to Star Trek Armada 2 and it blew everything else away 🤣🤣🤣
The Achilles need not be watered down, just limited in scope. It could have limited utility in exploration while remaining a much heavier hitter than the hero ships, which are more generalist in nature. A class called on when the federation needs it to fight a foe the generalist ships struggle with.
If Defiant and an Intrepid had a baby...
If Defiant grow up: Typhon
And just give it to .... Worf
So he can hunt down Captain Brennan and Sovereign class USS Sentinel to HurQ territory
Impressive. The STU might want to introduce this ship, and make it "cannon."
It's Miracle Worker Heavy Destroyer, because it's a miracle that this Heavy Destroyer even works.
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One of my most favourites!
I would have thought the Achilles be prone to breaks and strains. And have a one key weakness, perhaps in its heel.
I'm sorry, sorry, so sorry for this...not trying to be mean, just have to get it out of my system. It's Federation, not Fedawation. Either way, your videos are AWESOME!
They should add ships from Starfleet Command now, like the Ark Royal
You’re getting the Jem’ hadar battleship and dreadnought mixed up. The battleship is the equivalent of a galaxy class the dreadnought is the larger size that the valiant fought
I'm sure star fleet had a predator class which would be the warship built for war. You wouldn't need to label every size ship but you could go from personal small fighter crafts to massive battleships that had 5 armored hulls, 5 shields, and many phaser and torpedoes banks to dish out anything out in space.
This ship reminds me of other ships only in the Galactica universe it's like the combination of a Starfleet ship and a Battlestar class ship and this is what you get.I bet that the person who designed it will confirm it and if I am wrong then I learned something new!!!
It hurts that I have 1 T6 coupon left and I am stuck between this ship and the titan!!!
I highly recommend going for this.
I love my Titan but this thing is a lot stronger and the console & experimental are awesome and trait is amazing for torp builds.
Tough choice.
I tried to use my T6 coupons to get the Achilles and the Typhon after completing the latest event campaign, but I found that the game wouldn't let me use the free ship tokens to obtain any of the Heritage Bundle ships. Maybe they won't be exempted next year.
@@mleadenham1 ya I saw that too. I’ll wait until I can use the coupon on that ship.
@@mleadenham1 some of the T6 coupons only allow for use on ships NOT found in the New Items tab of the Zen Store; this restriction can be seen asterisked in the coupon's description on mouse-over. you just have to wait for those ships to cycle out of the New Items tab. that will likely take months, though. i vaguely remember having to wait more than half a year on a New ship, for said same reason.
Always love the look of the defiant. I think it's a timeless look that unfortunately in deep space nine got kind of screwed over IMO. I I don't think the writers allowed the defiant to live up to the hype.
timestamp 4:44, what is the Fed ship at the bottom of the formation? seen again at 9:33
This is an awesome ship. Coincidence..I was thinking just before getting this on today's list of videos "for you", this being..a question of what the devil..would a KLINGON version of a GALAXY CLASS, look like.? I would really love to see everybody's ideas.!
Is that the carrier from Star Trek Invasion I keep seeing? Did they let it keep its fortress mode?
Basically if you want the firepower of a galaxy but with ablative armor and sleek profile. Perhaps my favourite ship. Starfleet Basically all cards on the table with this vessel
"Sing, O muse, of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans." -- Homer: The Illiad
Thing i always hated about the game was how those cannons worked, once fired it should go in a straight line, but it bends and curves towards a target, i couldn't get past that and had to quit playing.
Always liked the look of the Achilles tho, definitely fit into the ST universe.
Amazed, STAR TREK was about peaceful exploration. Yeah, they had good defensive weapons, but not heavy destroyers!
I still feel the galaxy class and sovereign class should get upgraded like how discovery did a thousand years in the future
I remember that ship from Dominion Wars, I've still got my copy of it but since Win XP came out it hasn't worked, even using compatibility mode for Windows 98 it still won't run on anything other than pre-pentium 4 era systems. I did mod it in to the Star Trek Armada games though.
Would like to see it& tacticole nova with inverted defyant nacells in s3 of prodigy.
So if you include every Canon and faction what are the strongest ships? If you were sent into the star trek universe and could only pick one ship which would it be?
Defiant was meant to strike the Borg in groups. The Achilles was meant to hard counter the Jem'Hadar. Both built for one purpose. To Fight up close and personal.
Well, at least this one looks like a Starfleet starship and not a Millennium falcon knockoff)
You should look up the U.S.S. Speed. Old, but still thing it was a great design.
It's not necessarily not canon because it depends entirely upon the terms of the licence. CD Projekt Red's lore surrounding _The Witcher_ is 100% canon because their licence allows for that. The extended Dune Universe created by Brian Herbert are canonical because the licence he publishes under allows that. To definitively answer whether the Achilles is canon one would have to know the terms of the licence. I suggest sticking to the line "it's complicated" as a stock answer. Just to point out as well that the ship breaks the in-line Nacelle rule, unless they pivot like Voyager but your video doesn't discuss that.
Question, does Earth in the ST universe have a military separate from Starfleet producing actual dedicated fighting ships for war and combat? Or does Starfleet just do it all?
A lot of the alpha quadrant main factions have space between the necells as like a unsaid rule of thumb.
I believe Gene Roddenberry had implied that there had to be space between nacells as it was the interaction between the two that created the warp bubble and as such any warp capable vessel had to have that setup. Anything in between would cause issues if I recall correctly. I don't know why they couldn't have them internally with an open cavity between them though.
i could see the inquiry be inspired by the achilles class like let say after the destruction of thier main shipyard the federation ship design team sad we need a ship that could be build in wast numbers and as powerfull as a sovereign class and they though dont we have something like it in the dominion and then they looked on the achilles and sad how can we improve it and update the design
I’ve always liked the Excelsior clsss
@@asifkhan506 To quote a famous Star-fleet engineer: The *Excelsior*? Why in God's name would you want that bucket of bolts?
Cheers jack
Reason why it isn't popular: can't saucer seperation for Picard's tea and can't multi vector assault mode for a middle finger flip with 2 hologram doctors.
imagine shat ship with transphasic torpedoes and armor plating !
This ship has a Achilles heel 😂😂😂
It can be a bit of an ubership. I quite like it, but i tend to dislike when a ship is just too good at everything.
This ship is awesome I have this game an by mission 7 I have this ship sometimes by last mission 2 , but yes it’s awesome, an I use main ship to attack an have the other guard me an it will take you to the end an win
Them's fight'n words!!!
Looks like an upgraded version of USS Voyager
You weren't suppose to make this video. Here comes the blind nerf of Hexa cannons.
Achilles is literally the Astartes version of the Defiant
Anyone know how to get dominion war to play on newer PCs? Compatibility mode not working.
*Yeah, but that weak spots are real pain in the tendon!*
that ship looks like it would rip itself apart
It'll be great if it makes it debut at the final season of Lower Decks.