IDK, Netflix getting more competitive only cost us more money if you want to watch "all" the content whenever. Outside of limited situations like that, I completely agree.
If was not for steam os, Microsoft would just sit there not even talk about saying they will try to make pc gaming better on windows on a controller. I know some people don't beleave steamos or linux but does help them too if Microsoft have to worry about something each time going to sleep.
Well Im installing baazite on a ht pc to see how it goes, my sd is brilliant apart from a few games with anticheats etc Apart from security updates, nothing since windows 95 has really been much of an improvement imo for most users
The official Steam Deck Dock is a great product. It's the only Dock that allowed my Steam Deck to use VRR and HDR with my external Samsung Oled Monitor. On other docks either the VRR is not working or the HDR is not detected. I had zero issues with updates for the Dock. The only connectivity issue is sometime after I resume from Sleep my monitor isn't detecting the Dock so I have the replug the HDMI cable.
@@DeckReady I ordered my Steam Dock on the 25th December (I know my Xmas present for 2024 as the Steam Deck Oled was my Xmas present for 2023 - I wanted the Steam Deck to be a Xmas thing to remind me of when I was a kid ^_^) and I received it on the 30th of December 2024. Out of the box, it wanted an update which I did. I then hooked it up with my Samsung Oled G9 as well as with a Keyboard and wired mouse and I even plugged in a spare PS4 controller. I haven't tried the LAN yet. In comparison with another dongle that I have, the Dock allowed me to use VRR and HDR and 2560x140@120Hz all at once. The other dongle doesn't let me more than 1440p@60hz, no VRR and no HDR. I have been using the steam Dock for 2 weeks now both the play games (1080p upscaled for better performance than 1440p) and Desktop mode. So far, rock solid, except for the sometimes annoying sleep issue that I said above.
Something else that potentially makes it worthwhile is it actually allows use of multiple displays. Most (if not all) docks from other makers will let you use either the HDMI or DP output, but not both, so if you want to use it for desktop mode, it's potentially a better option. Kind of a niche use, but worth keeping in mind when deciding whether to go cheaper or not.
I got mine in July and at the beginning it has been kind of a hit and miss experience. But since the latest update it has started working almost flawlessly
Microsoft is spiraling toward irrelevance in the consumer PC space. Want a good productivity machine? Get a Mac. Gaming machine? Console or SteamOS/Linux box. Most consumers don’t have software that has to run on Windows anymore (save for the few games with anti-cheat, but you can play those on a PlayStation or Xbox). Windows will just be the boring OS for legacy large corporate worlds
yea. Microsoft has focused on locking in corporate business into office365 and teams and other microsoft/windows only things. I use linux at home, but when I go to work I have to use all of the windows and adobe garbage. Which sucks because as a developer I still remote into a linux development server and develop on there.
I have a high end laptop with 4080rtx and always I have some issues with windows when I was playing games. Then I got a steam deck and everything has changed. Then I realised games on Linux is way better compared with windows, so I switched my laptop to Linux and man, I’m glad I did it. So far I had no issues.
Hm... so... I could chose between installing the closed-source corporate BS, data-collecting nightmare Xbox OS from Microsoft on my handheld... or the open-source, lean, proven, robust and user-friendly SteamOS... hmmmmm......
@@fattiger6957 Yeh, Recall in Windows 11 crossed the line for intrusive spyware. I managed to remove it using a guide on YT but Steam OS I am definitely hyped for.
Well said. I didn't buy the existing competitor handhelds for quite a few reasons and I have even FEWER reasons to buy the eventual Xbox device. Steam and Valve all the way for me. I'd rather support a business that actually conducts business the way companies SHOULD: by delivering quality products/services at reasonable prices, with fantastic service to support those products/services. That's Valve. Xbox and Microcrap are legitimately some of the worst companies on the face of the earth.
the sd isn't sold in my country and I'm importing it. it's been over 4 weeks and I should be getting it this week or the next. the wait is killing me :/
Gabe Newell used to work for Microsoft. Valve is a privately owned company, and much like Larian Studios is able to do what they want without the disconnected corporate executives messing everything up. Good luck with your future gaming endeavors Microsoft, you're gonna need it!
I started out as a PC gamer (in the 90’s), but also on NES & Gameboy, moving to PS1, PS2, then moved to Xbox through 360, to One, One X & Series X. So majority of my library (& beloved Gamerscore) is in the Xbox ecosystem. But I recently bought an OLED SteamDeck and have been loving it. I also don’t love streaming, so if I could natively install my Xbox games (linked to that account for score 😝) I’d be delighted. I definitely don’t need or want a separate Xbox handheld.
just get a windows handheld, now you have something that can run gogs superior games, or literally any store ( all of gogs games run better than steams simply because they themselves optimize old games better )
@@davidframe1613to be fair windows is built to run an all hardware combinations bith custom built and production built and can do everything out of the box whether its desktop business stuff, education stuff, gaming, browsing. So its not optimised for every specific task that people use it for. Where linux distros are forked of a main type and are optimised for a particular purpose, ie steamOS, gaming tweaked, or webservers. The desktop linux world is no different to windows in certain things just can be troublesome in linux.
@Steveshell-oc7mr I personally would only game on a PC I don't do any work on a computer. I would say that's most people that wants a computer that can play play a game with high graphics I think most people if they didn't play games they will get a cheap PC. But windows does need a competitor in the office space also.
As a hardcore xbox fan, you're right, even us are tired of Xbox, they have no plans, they closing studios that actually make great games, but there's studios that have ruined the IPs they were given, and yet they're still in business. Also Windows has always a weird bug when I play on PC, so yeah, I'm waiting the release of Steam OS 3.0 to finally divorce Microsoft.
I think gamepass is also a double edged sword for them... On the one hand it's a great deal and many people pay for it. But on the other hand... I have quite the collection of games in my Xbox library, but it barely grew since gamepass came out. I don't necessarily need most games right at launch, almost always only buy once they're deeply discounted, but on Xbox that was replaced by just play whatever is in gamepass. But that means that after a few years, almost all of the games in my Xbox library that I own are really old while my steam library kept getting stronger (I've always kind of jumped between Xbox and PC). So there's less and less tying me to Microsoft's ecosystem and more and more to Valve's. I sometimes stream gamepass games from my xsx to my steam deck and other than that it is never used anymore.
@@finraziel they essentially want to netflix-ify games libraries. If they can get their way, games will earn them a consistent income on top of in-game expenses. This has been the general push and general consensus of the major international investors who essentially own and control these major corpos
7:50. im right there with you. But 1 thing that's extremely cool is i work at a middle school. And I'll catch kids on their chromebooks playing seemingly demanding games with GeForce now at super smooth framerates over the school wifi. and im always shocked because my streaming experience with steam is almost always a trash experience from my PC to my Steam-Deck over the same wifi. So idk what magic Nvidia has going on.
geforce now is still going? It was dope back in the day. Good to know its still dope today. I just always preferred the lowest latency, like on a real desktop. Otherwise, if I played single player games Geforce now is honestly all a person needs besides fast internet. They have a lot of write ups im sure on how their streaming stuff works, but it was really high tech back when it came out. Like, with the nVidia shield it was seriously cool.
I've reached the point where I mainly play on the Steam Deck and this informs what games I buy. While I only play games at home I prefer being able to play away from the desktop environment
I have a Steam Deck and I'm excited for SteamOS on desktops precisely because I want to get away from Microsoft. I am sick and tired of Windows and Microsoft's BS.
@andyl4683 Yeah I know, but it's still a little jank since the current version expects to be installed on a Steam Deck. I'm okay waiting for the official build meant for desktops.
I think specifically for streaming games, having Sunshine/Moonlight to stream games I can't run on Steam Deck has been incredible. I have an AMD GPU largely because of price-to-performance, and being able to run games like FFXVI or Alan Wake II on Steam Deck feels like the best of both worlds.
Maybe stupid questions.. But if you can use steam os on pc. Can you then choose to load that instead og Windows? And it will work with all periphials? Or do we still need Windows and steam on top?
Yes you can use it instead of Windows, no it will not work with *ALL* peripherals. Windows doesn't work with all peripherals either. But to answer the question I think you're asking: it depends. If you're thinking about replacing Windows, it doesn't hurt to check for each and every one of the controllers you plan on using, but almost all of them will work out of the box. If you have niche stuff like a steering wheel is when you'll probably start seeing issues, maybe needing extra configuration, etc.
He also mentions it is made of aluminum instead of plastic and lists a lot of reasons why he thinks the valve dock is overpriced where this one is better and earns the price.
I like the jsaux dock with the M2 bay. I got the cheapest deck on sale and upgraded the ssd and put the old one in the dock to dual boot windows like a laptop.
It's all the little things that make a difference and I think Valve understands that. For instance, when you boot your Steam Deck you land on Home which has your games first. You know full well that Microsoft will be Store and Ads first.
I hate Windows, and use Linux for gaming as much as possible. For your stuttering, I would suggest limiting your FPS to about 15% of your normal framerate. Also MSI Afterburner is known to cause Stuttering when power monitoring is enabled.
when i owned the steam deck i couldn't get comfortable holding it for long periods of time while sitting in my recliner because of the weight and having to bend my neck. the ability to adjust and raise the screen several inches needs to be added to all handhelds.
Try lay down on bed or soffa and play with the Steam Deck resting on your tummy. That how I play for the most part when I don't play it docked. Sitting up and playing undocked is too heavy. Try and see if you like the bed or soffa way or playing 😊
Do you really think SteamOS is gonna chip away from Microsoft’s OS market share? I won’t install a separate OS just to game, I always multitask man. I’ll just game on windows anyways
Hey man...loving ur vids so much....i was about to get steam deck oled...but they r announcing legion go s launch in May, so i am bit confuse.....i want oled screen but should i wait for legion go s? People saying on reddit that rog ally x has beautiful screen(lcd) with colours popping like oled with some tweaking....is it true??? If todays lcd panel panel are that good then should i wait for legion go s? My mobile display is oled, my monitor is oled....should i go for oled steamdeck or wait for legion go s (steam version) for decent display and good performance...plz answer my question....and if possible make a dedicated video on how these handheld display looks side by side.
I'm glad they are evolving into the handheld space while stripping down the windows bloat. I wish them luck, but have little faith in them considering all the issues they constantly have with windows, despite making it for decades. However well they do, the competition will be great for the consumer. I'm Steam OS all the way, just hope they can get past the anti-cheat thing so that any game is playable on their platforms.
Will never purchase a Razer product again. Had a gaming laptop fail within a year of purchase and they refused to fix it. Had to fight tooth and nail to get a refund and continually remind them of Australian consumer law, despite them selling in Australia for many years.
My question is how is the bootup going to be on PC? Like will it show 2 options one Desktop mode and one Big picture mode? And will we be able to make one always open every time we boot up the PC. Of course, we also need a password for the PC which I hope they make mandatory for security reasons. I know you can make one on the steam deck, but that's not mandatory.
who knows, but there is no reason to wait for steam os it is literally modified Arch Linux with modified kde plasma (desktop environment) on top. Bazzite OS which is the closest thing you can get to a "SteamOS" experience you can boot to desktop or Steam App full screen mode. If you want a normal desktop PC experience with all the gaming stuff you need on linux made super easy I'd recommend just installing Nobara OS.
Personally, I'd say that Microsoft dropped the ball back when that windows handheld mode was leaked as an internal concept. They saw how much hype it generated, saw how many handheld PC's have released, and still did not capitalize on that attention. And only now, when they're pressured by the potential mass exodus away from Windows, do they decide that this is something to invest in. Obviously, I can't say for certain that they haven't been working on something to compete with Steam, but marketing, and communication with their fan base, plays a big part in whether or not it's successful. Them speaking on releasing a handheld compatible or an Xbox OS for windows PC's comes off as a knee jerk reaction or an attempt to quell hype for SteamOS.
Xbox OS on the consoles is great, if they can get that experience on Windows handhelds would be amazing... and im looking froward to Steam going everywhere as well. Both will do just fine and you'll be surprise how much Xbox and Steam guys already conversate
My only guess is that you are using the official steam deck dock with the ROG ally, dock delivers 45W power, not 65W like the ally requires. And a laptop requires 100W PD; i think you are lucky you didn't have a fire happen from trying to draw more power than it was capable of. If you have a dock from valve that drops out all the time you must have a bad unit, and you don't have to unplug anything from it for doing firmware updates either. I've had one from the beginning where i have my hub, hotas, keyboard, mouse, ethernet etc all plugged in and have never had to unplug anything for any of the firmware updates. The ONLY issue i've had is that the official dock can get a bit overheated and drop video output.
I don't think Microsoft sees Valve as competition as much as another source of income and bringing in more subscribers to Gamepass. The fact that they want to give us access to Steam and other game stores proves that they aren't trying to compete in the same old game.
I'm looking to replace my Xbox with a steam deck or a steamos handheld maybe even that new one that is just coming out but my question is I have an Xbox series x but I really only need Xbox series s graphics I'm not that much into all that but will steam deck be equal to that?? Also wanted to know does the steamos have any ads? That's one reason I'm leaving the Xbox I'm tired of the crazy ads after paying all that money and I don't want to pay a monthly fee to play online. But is it reasonable to plug one of these handhelds into my TV and expect a decent quality of gaming???
Well i not into Graphic much but more to game play, i Have Steam Deck its Powerful Enough to play Cyberpunk At Medium Settings 30 FPS, i not Tried it tho Currently play Dark Soul Series and Next Elden Ring The Game that i want but Struggled at Steam Deck ita Black myth Wukong, many said its Optimization issue because the game lean more to Graphic
I honestly see no value in the new Razor dock but I don't have anything against the products either other than price. Also being on Linux on desktop for years makes me very relaxed about official SteamOS 3 ISOs being released or not but I'd be interested to see how it handles Jensen's _A.I. accelerator cards_ since drivers are a freaking mess with those.
If they can get SteamOS ready before Windows 10 hits End of Life in October they could have a real winner on their hands because as of December 63% of Windows users are still on Windows 10 and only 34% on Windows 11 which I don't want to waste me time with. I could see a large portion of that 63% just skipping Win 11 and going to something new *if* it is user friendly enough.
the hardware isnt that far off so I wouldn't be surprised if they just straight up port xbox's os to work with the new mobile apu's that are in all the handhelds.
My major problem with Steam OS is If you want to go beyond using it like a console gamer you have to be a Linux nerd. Installing mods and doing anything outside of Steam OS is a giant pain in the ass. Windows is much more user-friendly in that regard. So I guess the worst part about Steam OS is Linux itself.
Yeah it’s not all that great for the reasons you said, and it’s also not compatible with a lot of games. I’m tired of people acting like windows is so hard to use when steamos has its own huge problems
I mean, I don't think you have to be a Linux nerd. It's not that hard to learn Linux these days, at least to the level you need to do office stuff and play games.
It's not as hard as you think to install mods; given that there's no workshop to just instantly install stuff, once you know how to quickly access the local files for the games, it becomes very similar to how it's done on windows. Only difference is the steam proton layer adds a level of complexity that you have to work around, since installs are treated like a windows install within the steam directory.
@ it is harder than windows for most people to figure out. Also getting game launchers to work can be a pain in rear too. I remember trying to get Minecraft to work on the steam deck and that was way harder than it should be. On windows everything just works and everyone uses it so they can easily get things to work
@@Nqd-r6r getting minecraft working on the steam deck is extremely simple, especially if you download a launcher like PolyMC or multiMC from the flatpack repository, or from their associated websites. Finding the flatpack should be the hardest (easy) part out of the entire ordeal
oh that Subscription System for GPU power is not a good way to go im guessing 80% people would rather OWN the Gear and Open Source Gaming Stream there OWN Games
Nothing will be a steam deck 2. Valve knows this and this is why they will hold off on releasing it and let all the competition first soak the market. I will be holding onto my original steam deck until then
Does having steam os on other devices make the steam deck obsolete or is it still worth getting on 2025 I’m looking at getting a pc handle I’ve tried the ally when it first came out but hated windows on a handheld
Steam deck still works great, but if you want to wait for a little bit, the legion go 2 is going to have full steam os with some better specs, it’s a little more expensive, but the deck is still completely worth it imo
Steam deck just a tool for a gate way to show how good steam os is, as long people find use of the steam deck won't be obsolete anytime soon if become cheaper over time and plays so many games still. It does make it Linux keep windows in check not to beat it's just keep it in check so microsoft does better. If valve drops a steam deck 2 it's to keep other handhelds in check not to price out people out the market, that can hurt valve if people can't buy handware to play steam games.
I don't need any PlayStation or Xbox handheld systems. Microsoft obviously doesn't have any new games to offer and Sony would likely drop support like they did with the ps vita.
Everyone is reading too much into this. Microsoft already has an XBox app on Windows 11. I think all they are going to do is make that app run better in handheld mode. Nothing more…
I bought 2 Razer Naga's back in the day when I was playing WoW. They were the most expensive mice I've ever bought. Both of them broke in multiple ways in 1-2 years. Even after the first one broke and they came out with a new model that had mechanical side buttons, they fixed no issues with it, and still the scroll wheel broke almost immediately and started double/triple clicking. And get this, the right mouse button quickly wore away, and then snapped off. Razer uses the cheapest, most garbage materials and charges a premium for them. I bought a cheap knockoff with 12 buttons on the side like the Naga about 5 years ago. I am still using it to this day with zero problems. Razer has absolutely earned their reputation for having terrible products and customer service. They sold me garbage for an insane price and refused to replace it for me. They deserve no good will whatsoever.
I've had a Razer Naga Trinity for many years. Only now it started doing the double clicking. I bought a pack of micro switches on aliexpress and fixed it. Still my best mouse
Steam does not care at all if Microsoft is releasing their own portable gaming console, they are actually probably happy because that device will probably need Steam OS or at least some compatibility with the Steam shop, otherwise this console would be one of the only few ones without access to the steam shop, and that would make it one of the worst options out there, thus Steam probably happy they are expanding their market inside a Microsoft portable console
I totally get your apprehension but you’re not understanding key point here, the Xbox operating system IS Windows. They’re not two separate things. It’s just Windows that’s modified in a way that takes out all the aspects you don’t need for a game console. There’s no reason to believe they can’t do the same thing for a small set of 3rd party handhelds.
so heres my thing. we need a gaming optimized windows OS.... I think thats whats required for them to be competitive. windows is bloated so it always feels like you need a much more powerful device to get a good windows experience. and at the lower spec experience, the consoles and steamOS doing a better job. (I know some ppl can maximize budget builds, to be console competitive, but imagine how that goes when we get the full SteamOS release that possibly optimizes those builds further). anyways, Im up for innovation.
Microsoft should stop worrying and keep it simple and put a official supported xbox app within steam o/s the they would still get xbox subscriptions sales and they could also share jist a very small %with valve / steam for having it on there platform
The only time I’d buy a Windows handheld gaming device is if Microsoft made it. Because the only people that can optimize Windows for handheld devices is Microsoft. A handheld Windows gaming device would be cool. If it’s just a handheld Xbox then I could care less about it. That said, for any games that work well in SteamOS, I’d prefer to stay on SteamOS. I can only hope that Microsoft adds a handheld mode to Windows 11 kind of like their tablet mode. That way it’s just a part of the OS so I could dual boot my Steam Deck with a more handheld friendly Windows OS. Win Win
Valve mare Microsoft Dance in handheld market, just like how Microsoft made Google Dance in Generative AI, via partnership with open AI. These Dance word is of Satya Nadella. Microsoft is worried, Linux is already 2nd popular desktop Os in india with 13 percentage market share. This will be choice between company and community or monthly Subscription vs. one time purchase.
lol good luck with that. Nobody chooses to be on windows. They’re on windows because they’re forced to. Steam deck is great because it’s Linux and open source
No it will not be too difficult for xbox... Xbox UI runs on windows back end.. Microsoft already had and internal competition to strip down windows around 2 years ago.... All they have to do is have xbox UI on the front and have stopped down windows on the back..and add monitoring/editing features for handheld devices.. Job done.. Its not easy it's very doable and Microsoft has already been working on it for years
More competition is ALWAYS better.
IDK, Netflix getting more competitive only cost us more money if you want to watch "all" the content whenever. Outside of limited situations like that, I completely agree.
There's a risk of monopoly
Yes
@@sevenredundent7256 if you use a vpn and get philipines netflix it cost nothing
@@sevenredundent7256 yeah its not a given
If was not for steam os, Microsoft would just sit there not even talk about saying they will try to make pc gaming better on windows on a controller. I know some people don't beleave steamos or linux but does help them too if Microsoft have to worry about something each time going to sleep.
Well Im installing baazite on a ht pc to see how it goes, my sd is brilliant apart from a few games with anticheats etc Apart from security updates, nothing since windows 95 has really been much of an improvement imo for most users
Believe*
Microsoft has a lot more than just that to worry about lol
The official Steam Deck Dock is a great product. It's the only Dock that allowed my Steam Deck to use VRR and HDR with my external Samsung Oled Monitor. On other docks either the VRR is not working or the HDR is not detected.
I had zero issues with updates for the Dock. The only connectivity issue is sometime after I resume from Sleep my monitor isn't detecting the Dock so I have the replug the HDMI cable.
Maybe mines just bunk? I’ll buy another and investigate
@@DeckReady I ordered my Steam Dock on the 25th December (I know my Xmas present for 2024 as the Steam Deck Oled was my Xmas present for 2023 - I wanted the Steam Deck to be a Xmas thing to remind me of when I was a kid ^_^) and I received it on the 30th of December 2024. Out of the box, it wanted an update which I did. I then hooked it up with my Samsung Oled G9 as well as with a Keyboard and wired mouse and I even plugged in a spare PS4 controller. I haven't tried the LAN yet. In comparison with another dongle that I have, the Dock allowed me to use VRR and HDR and 2560x140@120Hz all at once. The other dongle doesn't let me more than 1440p@60hz, no VRR and no HDR. I have been using the steam Dock for 2 weeks now both the play games (1080p upscaled for better performance than 1440p) and Desktop mode. So far, rock solid, except for the sometimes annoying sleep issue that I said above.
Something else that potentially makes it worthwhile is it actually allows use of multiple displays. Most (if not all) docks from other makers will let you use either the HDMI or DP output, but not both, so if you want to use it for desktop mode, it's potentially a better option. Kind of a niche use, but worth keeping in mind when deciding whether to go cheaper or not.
I got mine in July and at the beginning it has been kind of a hit and miss experience. But since the latest update it has started working almost flawlessly
I've had mine for 2 years and never had a single issue
Microsoft is spiraling toward irrelevance in the consumer PC space. Want a good productivity machine? Get a Mac. Gaming machine? Console or SteamOS/Linux box.
Most consumers don’t have software that has to run on Windows anymore (save for the few games with anti-cheat, but you can play those on a PlayStation or Xbox).
Windows will just be the boring OS for legacy large corporate worlds
yea. Microsoft has focused on locking in corporate business into office365 and teams and other microsoft/windows only things. I use linux at home, but when I go to work I have to use all of the windows and adobe garbage. Which sucks because as a developer I still remote into a linux development server and develop on there.
I have a high end laptop with 4080rtx and always I have some issues with windows when I was playing games. Then I got a steam deck and everything has changed. Then I realised games on Linux is way better compared with windows, so I switched my laptop to Linux and man, I’m glad I did it. So far I had no issues.
I really home SteamOS 3 is not that steam deck version and is actually a real operating system desktop environment.
Hm... so... I could chose between installing the closed-source corporate BS, data-collecting nightmare Xbox OS from Microsoft on my handheld... or the open-source, lean, proven, robust and user-friendly SteamOS... hmmmmm......
That's why I'm excited for SteamOS being available for desktops. I'm sick of Microsoft's BS.
@@fattiger6957 Yeh, Recall in Windows 11 crossed the line for intrusive spyware. I managed to remove it using a guide on YT but Steam OS I am definitely hyped for.
I mean... what's the question?
So, valve collecting date instead? Get outta here! Valve pushes child gambling on their counter sticke game!
Well said. I didn't buy the existing competitor handhelds for quite a few reasons and I have even FEWER reasons to buy the eventual Xbox device. Steam and Valve all the way for me. I'd rather support a business that actually conducts business the way companies SHOULD: by delivering quality products/services at reasonable prices, with fantastic service to support those products/services. That's Valve. Xbox and Microcrap are legitimately some of the worst companies on the face of the earth.
sounds cool but if that OS or whatever it is is as good as Microsoft's website we have a problem
Yeah well i don't even know what Microsoft is good at these days.
@@MathiewMaythey're good at wasting money
I turned off windows in 2020 and never looked back.
Man, im still waiting for my steam deck. The freeze is really messing with the delivery.
Just got mine despite having icy roads, can’t believe it
Sorry bout that.
Same but with Amazon, despite having prime, and being ordered a little over a week ago, I'm still waiting on some accessories and a new SSD.
the sd isn't sold in my country and I'm importing it. it's been over 4 weeks and I should be getting it this week or the next. the wait is killing me :/
Just got mine
Gabe Newell used to work for Microsoft. Valve is a privately owned company, and much like Larian Studios is able to do what they want without the disconnected corporate executives messing everything up. Good luck with your future gaming endeavors Microsoft, you're gonna need it!
I started out as a PC gamer (in the 90’s), but also on NES & Gameboy, moving to PS1, PS2, then moved to Xbox through 360, to One, One X & Series X. So majority of my library (& beloved Gamerscore) is in the Xbox ecosystem. But I recently bought an OLED SteamDeck and have been loving it.
I also don’t love streaming, so if I could natively install my Xbox games (linked to that account for score 😝) I’d be delighted. I definitely don’t need or want a separate Xbox handheld.
just get a windows handheld, now you have something that can run gogs superior games, or literally any store ( all of gogs games run better than steams simply because they themselves optimize old games better )
fyi if you are just install playnite, playnite is so good
I just want steamOS to get rid of windows
I don't know anyone that likes windows it's hilarious. When you have a monopoly you don't care I guess.
@@davidframe1613to be fair windows is built to run an all hardware combinations bith custom built and production built and can do everything out of the box whether its desktop business stuff, education stuff, gaming, browsing. So its not optimised for every specific task that people use it for. Where linux distros are forked of a main type and are optimised for a particular purpose, ie steamOS, gaming tweaked, or webservers. The desktop linux world is no different to windows in certain things just can be troublesome in linux.
@Steveshell-oc7mr I personally would only game on a PC I don't do any work on a computer. I would say that's most people that wants a computer that can play play a game with high graphics I think most people if they didn't play games they will get a cheap PC. But windows does need a competitor in the office space also.
That sounds lovely
As a hardcore xbox fan, you're right, even us are tired of Xbox, they have no plans, they closing studios that actually make great games, but there's studios that have ruined the IPs they were given, and yet they're still in business.
Also Windows has always a weird bug when I play on PC, so yeah, I'm waiting the release of Steam OS 3.0 to finally divorce Microsoft.
I think gamepass is also a double edged sword for them... On the one hand it's a great deal and many people pay for it. But on the other hand... I have quite the collection of games in my Xbox library, but it barely grew since gamepass came out. I don't necessarily need most games right at launch, almost always only buy once they're deeply discounted, but on Xbox that was replaced by just play whatever is in gamepass. But that means that after a few years, almost all of the games in my Xbox library that I own are really old while my steam library kept getting stronger (I've always kind of jumped between Xbox and PC). So there's less and less tying me to Microsoft's ecosystem and more and more to Valve's. I sometimes stream gamepass games from my xsx to my steam deck and other than that it is never used anymore.
@@finraziel they essentially want to netflix-ify games libraries. If they can get their way, games will earn them a consistent income on top of in-game expenses. This has been the general push and general consensus of the major international investors who essentially own and control these major corpos
7:50. im right there with you. But 1 thing that's extremely cool is i work at a middle school. And I'll catch kids on their chromebooks playing seemingly demanding games with GeForce now at super smooth framerates over the school wifi. and im always shocked because my streaming experience with steam is almost always a trash experience from my PC to my Steam-Deck over the same wifi. So idk what magic Nvidia has going on.
geforce now is still going?
It was dope back in the day. Good to know its still dope today.
I just always preferred the lowest latency, like on a real desktop.
Otherwise, if I played single player games Geforce now is honestly all a person needs besides fast internet.
They have a lot of write ups im sure on how their streaming stuff works, but it was really high tech back when it came out. Like, with the nVidia shield it was seriously cool.
I've reached the point where I mainly play on the Steam Deck and this informs what games I buy. While I only play games at home I prefer being able to play away from the desktop environment
I'm s huge Xbox fan and there's no way I'm buying an Xbox handheld. In fact if valve were to come out with a steam machine with steam os, I'm all in
I have a Steam Deck and I'm excited for SteamOS on desktops precisely because I want to get away from Microsoft. I am sick and tired of Windows and Microsoft's BS.
I mean it already exists just make a usb installer for your steam deck and put that in any computer with a amd gpu
@andyl4683 Yeah I know, but it's still a little jank since the current version expects to be installed on a Steam Deck. I'm okay waiting for the official build meant for desktops.
I think specifically for streaming games, having Sunshine/Moonlight to stream games I can't run on Steam Deck has been incredible. I have an AMD GPU largely because of price-to-performance, and being able to run games like FFXVI or Alan Wake II on Steam Deck feels like the best of both worlds.
Maybe stupid questions.. But if you can use steam os on pc. Can you then choose to load that instead og Windows? And it will work with all periphials? Or do we still need Windows and steam on top?
Yes you can use it instead of Windows, no it will not work with *ALL* peripherals. Windows doesn't work with all peripherals either.
But to answer the question I think you're asking: it depends. If you're thinking about replacing Windows, it doesn't hurt to check for each and every one of the controllers you plan on using, but almost all of them will work out of the box. If you have niche stuff like a steering wheel is when you'll probably start seeing issues, maybe needing extra configuration, etc.
@mgord9518 thx. Yeah, have a racingrig. Lots of silly stuff. 😅
Love how you called the valve dock pirce crazy. While the one you recommended is the same price and untested.😅
He also mentions it is made of aluminum instead of plastic and lists a lot of reasons why he thinks the valve dock is overpriced where this one is better and earns the price.
It’s 10 cheaper afaik?
This is GREAT news! This means cheaper prices for higher quality because competition always works out in the customer's favor.
about the dock topic, one thing to keep in mind about the steam deck dock is that it has 2 ports for display instead of 1
I like the jsaux dock with the M2 bay. I got the cheapest deck on sale and upgraded the ssd and put the old one in the dock to dual boot windows like a laptop.
Can someone tell me what the game at 7:02 is?
Resident evil 7
thanks! I’m only on resident evil 3 but I’ll get there someday haha
It will track everything you think about.
It's all the little things that make a difference and I think Valve understands that. For instance, when you boot your Steam Deck you land on Home which has your games first. You know full well that Microsoft will be Store and Ads first.
What game were you playing at min 5:28 ?
RE7
man, 2024 and beyond is really the time of gaming handhelds, huh
I hate Windows, and use Linux for gaming as much as possible. For your stuttering, I would suggest limiting your FPS to about 15% of your normal framerate. Also MSI Afterburner is known to cause Stuttering when power monitoring is enabled.
when i owned the steam deck i couldn't get comfortable holding it for long periods of time while sitting in my recliner because of the weight and having to bend my neck.
the ability to adjust and raise the screen several inches needs to be added to all handhelds.
Try lay down on bed or soffa and play with the Steam Deck resting on your tummy. That how I play for the most part when I don't play it docked. Sitting up and playing undocked is too heavy. Try and see if you like the bed or soffa way or playing 😊
Do you really think SteamOS is gonna chip away from Microsoft’s OS market share? I won’t install a separate OS just to game, I always multitask man. I’ll just game on windows anyways
I know right. Massive cope from the slim minority of people who love steamos enough to put it on a pc. Most will not do this.
Hey man...loving ur vids so much....i was about to get steam deck oled...but they r announcing legion go s launch in May, so i am bit confuse.....i want oled screen but should i wait for legion go s?
People saying on reddit that rog ally x has beautiful screen(lcd) with colours popping like oled with some tweaking....is it true???
If todays lcd panel panel are that good then should i wait for legion go s?
My mobile display is oled, my monitor is oled....should i go for oled steamdeck or wait for legion go s (steam version) for decent display and good performance...plz answer my question....and if possible make a dedicated video on how these handheld display looks side by side.
Reminds me of the Ugreen dock thats been available for months. And for half the price.
I'm glad they are evolving into the handheld space while stripping down the windows bloat. I wish them luck, but have little faith in them considering all the issues they constantly have with windows, despite making it for decades. However well they do, the competition will be great for the consumer. I'm Steam OS all the way, just hope they can get past the anti-cheat thing so that any game is playable on their platforms.
I've never had an issue with the Steam Deck Dock. I've never unplugged anything and it never has had problems.
Man, we've come a long way since the 90s.Remember when It use to be Console vs Console? Now its Handheld Vs Handheld. 😂
Will never purchase a Razer product again. Had a gaming laptop fail within a year of purchase and they refused to fix it. Had to fight tooth and nail to get a refund and continually remind them of Australian consumer law, despite them selling in Australia for many years.
I like tinkering with my games. How will modding games work in SteamOS?
It’s already doable
I have the same stutter issues on HDMI on my 4090 laptop even just watching UA-cam and I don't on my legion go on the same TV
My question is how is the bootup going to be on PC? Like will it show 2 options one Desktop mode and one Big picture mode? And will we be able to make one always open every time we boot up the PC. Of course, we also need a password for the PC which I hope they make mandatory for security reasons. I know you can make one on the steam deck, but that's not mandatory.
who knows, but there is no reason to wait for steam os it is literally modified Arch Linux with modified kde plasma (desktop environment) on top. Bazzite OS which is the closest thing you can get to a "SteamOS" experience you can boot to desktop or Steam App full screen mode. If you want a normal desktop PC experience with all the gaming stuff you need on linux made super easy I'd recommend just installing Nobara OS.
Personally, I'd say that Microsoft dropped the ball back when that windows handheld mode was leaked as an internal concept. They saw how much hype it generated, saw how many handheld PC's have released, and still did not capitalize on that attention. And only now, when they're pressured by the potential mass exodus away from Windows, do they decide that this is something to invest in. Obviously, I can't say for certain that they haven't been working on something to compete with Steam, but marketing, and communication with their fan base, plays a big part in whether or not it's successful. Them speaking on releasing a handheld compatible or an Xbox OS for windows PC's comes off as a knee jerk reaction or an attempt to quell hype for SteamOS.
that razer dock will probably block the ventilation of the stream deck. Looks Greath though
The only way I'd consider an X-Box handheld is if it has a non cloud based version of Game Pass
Do you thing its still a good idea to buy the steam deck right now?
Yes
Xbox OS on the consoles is great, if they can get that experience on Windows handhelds would be amazing... and im looking froward to Steam going everywhere as well. Both will do just fine and you'll be surprise how much Xbox and Steam guys already conversate
My only guess is that you are using the official steam deck dock with the ROG ally, dock delivers 45W power, not 65W like the ally requires. And a laptop requires 100W PD; i think you are lucky you didn't have a fire happen from trying to draw more power than it was capable of. If you have a dock from valve that drops out all the time you must have a bad unit, and you don't have to unplug anything from it for doing firmware updates either. I've had one from the beginning where i have my hub, hotas, keyboard, mouse, ethernet etc all plugged in and have never had to unplug anything for any of the firmware updates. The ONLY issue i've had is that the official dock can get a bit overheated and drop video output.
I don't think Microsoft sees Valve as competition as much as another source of income and bringing in more subscribers to Gamepass. The fact that they want to give us access to Steam and other game stores proves that they aren't trying to compete in the same old game.
I'm looking to replace my Xbox with a steam deck or a steamos handheld maybe even that new one that is just coming out but my question is I have an Xbox series x but I really only need Xbox series s graphics I'm not that much into all that but will steam deck be equal to that?? Also wanted to know does the steamos have any ads? That's one reason I'm leaving the Xbox I'm tired of the crazy ads after paying all that money and I don't want to pay a monthly fee to play online. But is it reasonable to plug one of these handhelds into my TV and expect a decent quality of gaming???
Well i not into Graphic much but more to game play, i Have Steam Deck its Powerful Enough to play Cyberpunk At Medium Settings 30 FPS, i not Tried it tho Currently play Dark Soul Series and Next Elden Ring
The Game that i want but Struggled at Steam Deck ita Black myth Wukong, many said its Optimization issue because the game lean more to Graphic
@irpanfauzi1160 thanks
Binbows can and should make an ISO that's dedicated for gamingonly
I honestly see no value in the new Razor dock but I don't have anything against the products either other than price. Also being on Linux on desktop for years makes me very relaxed about official SteamOS 3 ISOs being released or not but I'd be interested to see how it handles Jensen's _A.I. accelerator cards_ since drivers are a freaking mess with those.
Will you be able to run windows compatible games on this new SteamOS?
Why wouldn't you be able to? They're just doing a downloadable install of the normal SteamOS as it is now.
If they can get SteamOS ready before Windows 10 hits End of Life in October they could have a real winner on their hands because as of December 63% of Windows users are still on Windows 10 and only 34% on Windows 11 which I don't want to waste me time with. I could see a large portion of that 63% just skipping Win 11 and going to something new *if* it is user friendly enough.
please please make a portable xbox console i literally wanted one
This is a very good thing for consumers. Thank you Valve
I’m an Xbox fan and I’m not even on board with what they are doing it’s confusing and has no value compared to Steam. So Xbox pushed me to PC
Is the xbox solution an OS or a cloud interface?
Honestly, I think right now not even Microsoft knows (yet).
the hardware isnt that far off so I wouldn't be surprised if they just straight up port xbox's os to work with the new mobile apu's that are in all the handhelds.
Can't wait for steam os public release.
I'm not sure I understand, is this deck already available .
No
@Broodjemetbeleg ha thank you
dude have you tried any enterprise version of the windows os? so much better but then again i understand what you want to express in your video.
Oh that’s a good idea. Is it expensive?
@DeckReady I got a discounted copy from an European seller , but you might find it really cheap looking for it on the right place.
By the way I fixed stuttering in most games by buying a hardware TPM and not using Firmware TPM (fTPM) on AMD.
I'm waiting for sony to go " Me Too"
PS Portal was them testing the waters for interest in another future PS handheld.
I’ve been a fan of windows for over a decade and windows 11 makes me furious. I’m ready for Steam OS.
My major problem with Steam OS is If you want to go beyond using it like a console gamer you have to be a Linux nerd. Installing mods and doing anything outside of Steam OS is a giant pain in the ass. Windows is much more user-friendly in that regard. So I guess the worst part about Steam OS is Linux itself.
Yeah it’s not all that great for the reasons you said, and it’s also not compatible with a lot of games. I’m tired of people acting like windows is so hard to use when steamos has its own huge problems
I mean, I don't think you have to be a Linux nerd. It's not that hard to learn Linux these days, at least to the level you need to do office stuff and play games.
It's not as hard as you think to install mods; given that there's no workshop to just instantly install stuff, once you know how to quickly access the local files for the games, it becomes very similar to how it's done on windows. Only difference is the steam proton layer adds a level of complexity that you have to work around, since installs are treated like a windows install within the steam directory.
@ it is harder than windows for most people to figure out. Also getting game launchers to work can be a pain in rear too. I remember trying to get Minecraft to work on the steam deck and that was way harder than it should be. On windows everything just works and everyone uses it so they can easily get things to work
@@Nqd-r6r getting minecraft working on the steam deck is extremely simple, especially if you download a launcher like PolyMC or multiMC from the flatpack repository, or from their associated websites. Finding the flatpack should be the hardest (easy) part out of the entire ordeal
Announced more than 3 years ago in Feb. 2022 steam deck launched it's almost 3 years old
Oh nooooo
What was that horror game you showed?
Resident Evil 7. Runs great on deck
@ RESIDENT EVIL! I suck. clearly I don’t know my games. lol. Thanks
oh that Subscription System for GPU power is not a good way to go im guessing 80% people would rather OWN the Gear and Open Source Gaming Stream there OWN Games
I need steam OS for my back-up gaming PC.
Bad rap is an odd way of saying their mice break after 3-5 months, intentional low quality parts is malicious on their part.
Developers have to choose between windows or linux.
Window 10 end Support on Oct 2025 is the Final Nail to the Coffin for me and all im Waiting is SteamOS Ver3
Nothing will be a steam deck 2. Valve knows this and this is why they will hold off on releasing it and let all the competition first soak the market. I will be holding onto my original steam deck until then
Question what is the horror game that is in this video.
RE7
@DeckReady thnx
Does having steam os on other devices make the steam deck obsolete or is it still worth getting on 2025 I’m looking at getting a pc handle I’ve tried the ally when it first came out but hated windows on a handheld
it's absolutely still worth it. steamOS will work best on the steam deck
If you want Steam OS then at the moment the steam deck is your only option, for the price i think it is a very nice platform
Steam deck still works great, but if you want to wait for a little bit, the legion go 2 is going to have full steam os with some better specs, it’s a little more expensive, but the deck is still completely worth it imo
Steam deck just a tool for a gate way to show how good steam os is, as long people find use of the steam deck won't be obsolete anytime soon if become cheaper over time and plays so many games still. It does make it Linux keep windows in check not to beat it's just keep it in check so microsoft does better. If valve drops a steam deck 2 it's to keep other handhelds in check not to price out people out the market, that can hurt valve if people can't buy handware to play steam games.
Thank you everyone I’ve got money for the steam deck and didn’t know to jump for it or wait with steam os going to other devices
my next build will be Linux based
I don't need any PlayStation or Xbox handheld systems. Microsoft obviously doesn't have any new games to offer and Sony would likely drop support like they did with the ps vita.
amen
I have a massive library on everything
I switched to bazzite today :D
Wow real Microsoft shade lol interesting
Im going with steam OS i loath windows 😊
Everyone is reading too much into this. Microsoft already has an XBox app on Windows 11. I think all they are going to do is make that app run better in handheld mode. Nothing more…
I bought 2 Razer Naga's back in the day when I was playing WoW. They were the most expensive mice I've ever bought. Both of them broke in multiple ways in 1-2 years. Even after the first one broke and they came out with a new model that had mechanical side buttons, they fixed no issues with it, and still the scroll wheel broke almost immediately and started double/triple clicking. And get this, the right mouse button quickly wore away, and then snapped off. Razer uses the cheapest, most garbage materials and charges a premium for them.
I bought a cheap knockoff with 12 buttons on the side like the Naga about 5 years ago. I am still using it to this day with zero problems. Razer has absolutely earned their reputation for having terrible products and customer service. They sold me garbage for an insane price and refused to replace it for me. They deserve no good will whatsoever.
I've had a Razer Naga Trinity for many years. Only now it started doing the double clicking. I bought a pack of micro switches on aliexpress and fixed it. Still my best mouse
@@BrunoPascoalPT What year did you buy it? The ones I bought would have been somewhere between 2009 and 2013. And then I never bought Razer again.
Steam does not care at all if Microsoft is releasing their own portable gaming console, they are actually probably happy because that device will probably need Steam OS or at least some compatibility with the Steam shop, otherwise this console would be one of the only few ones without access to the steam shop, and that would make it one of the worst options out there, thus Steam probably happy they are expanding their market inside a Microsoft portable console
I totally get your apprehension but you’re not understanding key point here, the Xbox operating system IS Windows. They’re not two separate things. It’s just Windows that’s modified in a way that takes out all the aspects you don’t need for a game console. There’s no reason to believe they can’t do the same thing for a small set of 3rd party handhelds.
Absolutely no pauses at all.
so heres my thing. we need a gaming optimized windows OS.... I think thats whats required for them to be competitive. windows is bloated so it always feels like you need a much more powerful device to get a good windows experience. and at the lower spec experience, the consoles and steamOS doing a better job. (I know some ppl can maximize budget builds, to be console competitive, but imagine how that goes when we get the full SteamOS release that possibly optimizes those builds further). anyways, Im up for innovation.
Microsoft can't compete in the same form factor with a closed system. Steam is just the best platform.
Best OS is the one you forget about it
valve is doing this for their benefit is literally saying everyone use steam, their entire revenue is people buying games on steam not the steam deck.
Thank you gabe
Microsoft should stop worrying and keep it simple and put a official supported xbox app within steam o/s the they would still get xbox subscriptions sales and they could also share jist a very small %with valve / steam for having it on there platform
i want tripple a multi player games
The only time I’d buy a Windows handheld gaming device is if Microsoft made it. Because the only people that can optimize Windows for handheld devices is Microsoft. A handheld Windows gaming device would be cool. If it’s just a handheld Xbox then I could care less about it.
That said, for any games that work well in SteamOS, I’d prefer to stay on SteamOS. I can only hope that Microsoft adds a handheld mode to Windows 11 kind of like their tablet mode. That way it’s just a part of the OS so I could dual boot my Steam Deck with a more handheld friendly Windows OS. Win Win
Not only that windows 11 24h2 is giving them trouble when it comes to running steam so it's basically no competition steam beats Xbox hands down.
Valve mare Microsoft Dance in handheld market, just like how Microsoft made Google Dance in Generative AI, via partnership with open AI. These Dance word is of Satya Nadella.
Microsoft is worried, Linux is already 2nd popular desktop Os in india with 13 percentage market share.
This will be choice between company and community or monthly Subscription vs. one time purchase.
lol good luck with that. Nobody chooses to be on windows. They’re on windows because they’re forced to. Steam deck is great because it’s Linux and open source
Why Microsoft should fight with device made in 2022 and deck never hurt xbox sells even
Gaben's final form will have us all using Linux over Windows in the long con. The end game reason why he left Microsoft in the first place.
No it will not be too difficult for xbox...
Xbox UI runs on windows back end..
Microsoft already had and internal competition to strip down windows around 2 years ago....
All they have to do is have xbox UI on the front and have stopped down windows on the back..and add monitoring/editing features for handheld devices..
Job done..
Its not easy it's very doable and Microsoft has already been working on it for years
Forced video. Don’t overflow our feed with forced videos just because. Less is better.