I read the book entitled " wife number 19" was written by one of Brigham Young's wives and it told all about him and some of the pioneer stories. It's very interesting. It's not a very flattery portrait of Brigham Young from a woman who knew him intimately.
My heart breaks for Melissa. I'm glad that you are telling her story. And I bet she would have been very proud of you for getting out, for getting her 5x great grandchildren out.
Hey Lex, I haven't finished the video yet, but I'd love to see you tell more pioneer stories from others' ancestors. My ancestors Eliza and Emily Partridge (daughters of Edward Partridge, the first bishop of the church and my however many greats grandpa) married Joseph Smith as second wives in secret. Their stories were some of the first I found after I read the CES letter and deconstructed. It broke my heart to read about it and I've dedicated a lot of time to researching the story. I think it could be really helpful to spread the stories of ancestors like this who went through the worst things for the church. I would love to see a video on my ancestors, or anyone else's if there's an audience for it! Looking forward to finishing the video :)
Okay I just finished the video. Wow, what heartbreak that she went through. I would cry too reading that story. Her story sounds similar to Eliza's in later life. I cried while reading her diary, so much death everywhere she went. I'm so glad you asked for more stories, I would love to share mine with you.
So heartbreaking. I have similar stories about my ancestors too. I’m pretty sure that many Mormon women have generational trauma stemming from the polygamy our ancestors experienced. When I see women feeling utter betrayal and pain for their husbands looking at porn or seeing “immodest” clothing all that I can see is the pain of the women before them, the fear that they will be abandoned for a new woman. It’s the ancestral fear of other women as competition. Even Mormon women today having to live with the idea that in heaven they may be one of several wives to their husband. That’s a heavy knowledge to carry, a bleak future to look towards.
I couldn’t imagine being a young woman back in the day. The things that poor girl went through. Death and despair weigh heavily on her, just for her husband to come back home after 3 years, with 3 younger girls
This was a great video. The insane things that the pioneers went through for the church always hurt my soul. So much of their history is whitewashed to paint this happy little mormon picture. Thank you for sharing this story!
So heartbreaking. My father and maternal grandfather were the converts in my family. So proud to say those lies end with me, at least on my branch of our family tree.
I love that you went through to read a family history story and took the time to research and read between the lines to genuinely comprehend that absolute bs that woman lived through instead of the audaciously positive spin it was woven in.
This story is so wrong in so many ways. I just can’t imagine the church thinking it’s ok for husbands to go on missions and leave their wives alone and for three fucking years. I’ve always said that the church has thousands of journals of both pioneer women and girls and their mothers that were brought here from other countries only to marry into polygamy. (Nothing but sex trafficking).I would love to get my hands on those journals hidden in that huge granite vault and read how they really felt. I could go on and on with wrongs the church has and still is going to women, but it’s time to get off my soapbox. Please give us more stories of these unfortunate strong women.
I always felt like the church sending married men on missions was SO WRONG! The fact that many of them brought more wives home with them, is disturbing.
I agree! I’ve always hated hearing stories about married men leaving their wives pregnant and destitute for a mission as if it was some huge badge of honor. Seriously I have zero idea how the church managed to put a positive spin on something so obviously wrong.
One man went on a ten year mission. Married other women while on his mission, and then as soon as he got back to utah, he was sent to Hawaii on another 10 year mission
Depending on if there is an afterlife and what it is like, my pioneer ancestors are proud of me. I broke the chain of exploitation of a scam that they fell victim to.
Yes, sad story. Anyone who has Mormon heritage knows stories like this. I'm glad to watch your channel. I am so glad to no longer be one of them. I'm not even a little bitter 😂.
Yes! And they should call it “Saints”. That way when people look up Saints the church book they’ll get recommendations for the show:) Maybe an episode or so highlighting a different person and their experiences in the early church. I would love a show like this, especially one not made by the church and actually showing the truth
Listening to your comprehensive account of Melissa's life fills me full of disgust and venom for this church, which I have left as well. Orson Pratt, one of the original apostles in the church, and one of my progenitors, did much the same thing, leaving his wife(s) in cruel poverty to head off for England and a mission for the church. I seeth inside every time I hear stories such as yours Lex. Thank you for this account. Your feelings about all this reflect mine.
Learning about one of my ancestors who was a polygamist was one of the major cracks of my shelf. It was never talked about, I was one of the first to actually bring it up and family didn't believe me until I pulled all the evidence from the Family Tree app. Then it turned into, oh yeah that's something they had to do, and hadn't been discussed again.
I had to Google Nauvoo lol! I always thought it was upstate NY that they were driven out of. I had no idea it was Illinois! Look at me learning & stuff😂
they had an insane asylum in salt lake city. the lucky ones found a quick escape in bottle of poison. the unlucky women ended up in the insane asylum. think about it. sharing your home with another woman, and sincerely believing eternity did not have a thing better. not for eternity. be a breeding unit for eternity. that's it. today's mormonism kind of teaches becoming a god or goddess. brigham's mormonism never used the word goddess. and it's not in 132. the word concubine is. what's a concubine? a sexual plaything.
I like what you’ve hit on here with the deep dives into pioneer stories. My heart is utterly broken for Melissa, but her life’s story is important. It could help save others from living their life in unhappiness out of a false sense of duty to god.
I know that disease was rife in the Victorian era, but I can't help but think that travelling by wagon train, living in a homestead without enough heat, food or even a bed may have played a role in all those babies dying.
I often wonder why so much of the historic narrative of the LDS is preserved. So much of it is self-damning. Maybe the people doing the preservation really believe that it's "truth"?🙄. Although they did ban/destroy a lot of the early 20th century Doctrines and Covenants.....
Wow. This is so sad. Unfortunately it seems to be typical for frontier Utah. I’ve never been Mormon but have distant relatives who converted in 1838. Their life stories are eerily similar to Melissa. Thanks for sharing. More clips like this would be great.
It’s kinda funny how all my life in the church, I vehemently hated pioneer stories because I could see how the leadership was ruining everyone else’s lives and how they needlessly suffered. Now I’m out, I still feel that way and can finally feel that way about my life with zero guilt/shame.
I don't think much about this no-good husband. He is just another horrible person, and there will be horrible people forever. I do think a lot about the organization and the leaders who normalize these creeps and use them for their own benefit, to the detriment of the community. Even in wolf packs or any other group of gregarious animals, the wellbeing of the group does not depend on the lack of creeps, it depends on the organization of members to take care of the creeps.
Even as a young child, growing up in the church, I was always very uncomfortable about what the pioneers went through. Also, I knew that men in the early days of the church practiced polygamy, but, it wasn't until recently that I learned how many people participated in it. I didn't even know that Joseph Smith had as many wives as he did. I was always forced to go to early morning seminary in high-school. The year that we studied the Doctrine and Covenants, I refused to go, as the teacher was a direct decendant of Joseph Smith and her husband's line went back to John Taylor. She taught the gospel according to her opinion. I don't think I ever felt comfortable reading the D&C scriptures. Thanks for doing this video. I would love to hear more. 😊
Thank you for sharing your family's story. Please share more pioneer journals - it helps understand the bigger picture separate from the church's spin.
Gotta love how the men are ALWAYS called to work other places or far away missions....leaving all these women behind with the church elders.......hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thx for sharing. This makes me so sad. I have ancestry that was there when the church organized. April whatever. I can’t believe so many generations have been in this church.
When I was younger we had a joke about what the name "Nauvoo" meant... I can't repeat it here, but it'll make you laugh... Such sorrow & horrifying conditions, it's a wonder ANY of them stayed!
honestly so funny that from the jump, Mormons have always considered anyone who has any criticism of the church whatsoever is just hateful, bitter, and misinformed. #definitelynotacult
As sad as the story was to tell, I like the way that you told it. I think it's sad how some Churches take advantage of people who willingly choose to suffer from preventable suffering.
I can't remember if it's the journal of Jacob Hamblin, or Charles c walker, but one of those men married a young native girl that his wife had taken in as a slave. And as soon as he married her, she ran away. The temple ceremony and marriage was too much for her. She didn't realize she was getting married when he took her from st George to salt Lake. They didn't know her age, probably 12 or 14, but she couldn't speak English very well either. I read the story in the man's own journal. But I can't remember if it was jacob hamblin or Charles walker
I've been thinking about Patty Sessions. She came over the plains to Utah as a midwife and delivered a huge percentage of all the babies born in that time. What I'm curious about is that at certain points in history midwives were also the abortionists. I know abortion was rampant in mormon society before crossing the plains, but the abortionist from that time didn't make the crossing. I think it's plausible there's a story there that would be fascinating to dig into.
My mom made too many sacrifices for the church. She is Thai and left her religion to join the church. Then she married my white dad because there were so few priesthood holders in Thailand. She moved to Idaho with a suitcase and almost no money. It was in the middle of December and was her first winter. My mom left behind her culture, religion, and family because of the church. She wouldn’t be able to go back to Thailand to see her family for over twenty years because my parents couldn’t afford it, and that’s because they paid so much in tithes and fast offerings. I’m just glad my parents love each other, and now they are retired and living in Thailand. Unfortunately, they want to stay there to serve a mission or two or three. My heart breaks for every single person who has sacrificed and lost so much because of this church.
I just had an idea for a historical fiction where the First Nations people managed to put a stop to Manifest Destiny at the line of the Mississippi River, possibly with French aid, before the Louisiana Purchase.
Appreciate this video, thanks! Really hard to know my ancestor's stories since FamilySearch seems to be scrubbed clean of plural wives except for the famous ones. SMH, Mormon Church, stop hiding family history!
Kind of wonder how all our family history accounts also took the tone of faith over fact and or at least the acknowledgement of hardship and trauma. However being in the church I get it. When your whole life and community is to promote the only one true kingdom of God it is hard to write any narrative that makes the sacrifices not worth the effort.
It’s so sad that she had been comfortable until the Mormons got her and ended up living in misery. I don’t have pioneer heritage my parents are both converts. However it reminds me of my great grandmother she was German and from a good family she had a private education and she could speak more than one language and played the harp. Basically this was no working class woman. Unfortunately then the bad man came by the time the war was over she was a cleaning lady. I don’t know all the details but I know enough to know she did get sucked into the common beliefs and sadly she paid the consequences.
Margaret Anne Griffiths Clegg, came across the plains in the ill-fated Eddie Martin company. Her brother died on the way, and her father died, the night they got into SLC. She lived a hard life, but had numerous children survived. That was about as much a Mormon woman could hope for back then, so she was "happy". Another great+grandmother, was a secondary wife, and treated like crap. At one point she and her children were living in a tent, with her husband almost always with his first wife, who hated her and her kids, and did everything she could to keep them from getting anything. I'm sure there was a lot of that back then.
How many early church members/pioneers do you have in your family tree? I went back 5 generations only looking at my grandparents and I've found 74. With the majority coming to Utah after being baptized in England.
I love most everything you post dear it’s just that I am old and you talk so fast I wish you would talk a little bit slower and perhaps emphasize a bit of certain areas that you’re reading so that grandma hair can keep up. Otherwise, great work I was in the church from birth until nearly 60 and married a Very good and godly Baptist man who has his ministerial license since a young man though he doesn’t pastor today he has taught classes where we’ve gone to church we’re married now over 14 years but I quit going to church due to severe illness back in 2008. I was working full-time more than full-time plus had five callings and no one ever tried to help me. I was a single mom as well, and it was insane. The only sad thing for me has been some of my extended LDS family members have not been as close to me since. Yes there’s so many beautiful things in the church such, striving for excellence, serving others, etc., but you find that exists in other good churches to it just isn’t dressed up the same way as the Mormon lifestyle is dressed. But I’m much more at peace today focusing on the Lord Jesus Christ and Nothing More. He is my all in all, and it is he who I go to for my strength and my needs. Thanks for your time and bless you for your work. The general public has an awful lot to learn regarding all things Lds.
I would be more open to the idea of sacrifice as a virtue if the leaders shared in what is asked of the members. Our history is rife with stories like the handcart companies being grossly under supplied by the church (planned) while Brigham was building opulent houses in Salt Lake, and in the current day GAs enjoy a comfortable living allowance while admonishing the destitute to pay a full tithe (implied 10% gross). The Abrahamic sacrifice has become one of those doctrinal plugs, and when THAT fails (remember, Isaac was spared) the plug of blessings in the afterlife is the fallback.
Thats what they are taught to do only they call it "reporting" Visit, report, who reports again, then its discussed. After 40 yrs of it I had my name, LD$s# removed with honor ! My kids and I ran from Utah !
@@Mrs.Robinsons How did you managed to servive in thatcreepy environment?Its good that you and your kids move away from that weird state. I hear Utah is theur own little lds world they mind as well become independent their own little mormon country.
@@purpleflowers92 Indeed its very different in Utah/Idaho. Domestic Violence is under the disguise of Gaslighting and Facades so authorities dont get it. One can google notorious utah/idaho mormons and discover the secrets behind organized crime. UT LD$ are/were RubyFranke, JodiHildebrant, LoriVallow, ChadDaybell, JoshPowell, TedBundy, JodiAuris, KouriRichins, StevenPowell, AlexCox, MeganHuntsman, MelanieBordeaux, the list goes on....
This tale is sooo mormonesque. There is not ONE mormon prairie wife obeying the law of plural marriage who was happy in her shared marriage, not one. Um, you guessed it, they were all bitter. marcus
Viewing the past through the lens of the present is not very helpful. You can't imagine her motives or her choices because you have never had real suffering. You'll understand this more clearly by the time your children have children. Youth lack perspective.
You haven't heard Exmo Lex's story if you say that. For example, her in-laws had be cut out of their life because of the things they say and did. She just read melissa's story, and showed empathy for her. I think your the one without perspective.
Okay…haven’t watched the whole video yet so I can’t compare, but not only was Exmo Lex disowned and threatened by her in-laws, she was also assaulted by a young man when she was a teenager, and before that she struggled with depression. All of that indicates real suffering. Assuming she hasn’t been through real suffering based on limited information is callous and unkind.
An old white man dismissing the wisdom of young women in order to excuse the rampant sexual abuse of the past? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!! Sexual abuse was wrong then and it's wrong now. And they knew it then just as you do now.
The more I learn the true history of Mormon polygamy, the more vomit-worthy it becomes 🤢
I lived it FLD$/LD$ - Got out after 30 yrs ! Kids are social, entrapment, religious PAWNS
I read the book entitled " wife number 19" was written by one of Brigham Young's wives and it told all about him and some of the pioneer stories. It's very interesting. It's not a very flattery portrait of Brigham Young from a woman who knew him intimately.
My heart breaks for Melissa. I'm glad that you are telling her story. And I bet she would have been very proud of you for getting out, for getting her 5x great grandchildren out.
Hey Lex, I haven't finished the video yet, but I'd love to see you tell more pioneer stories from others' ancestors. My ancestors Eliza and Emily Partridge (daughters of Edward Partridge, the first bishop of the church and my however many greats grandpa) married Joseph Smith as second wives in secret. Their stories were some of the first I found after I read the CES letter and deconstructed. It broke my heart to read about it and I've dedicated a lot of time to researching the story. I think it could be really helpful to spread the stories of ancestors like this who went through the worst things for the church. I would love to see a video on my ancestors, or anyone else's if there's an audience for it! Looking forward to finishing the video :)
Okay I just finished the video. Wow, what heartbreak that she went through. I would cry too reading that story. Her story sounds similar to Eliza's in later life. I cried while reading her diary, so much death everywhere she went. I'm so glad you asked for more stories, I would love to share mine with you.
So heartbreaking. I have similar stories about my ancestors too.
I’m pretty sure that many Mormon women have generational trauma stemming from the polygamy our ancestors experienced. When I see women feeling utter betrayal and pain for their husbands looking at porn or seeing “immodest” clothing all that I can see is the pain of the women before them, the fear that they will be abandoned for a new woman. It’s the ancestral fear of other women as competition.
Even Mormon women today having to live with the idea that in heaven they may be one of several wives to their husband. That’s a heavy knowledge to carry, a bleak future to look towards.
Being a plural wife in the eternities NEVER sat well with me.
RIGHT?? Every one of us in FLD$/LD$ have have a similar story But Lexi told it ! Many thanks
I couldn’t imagine being a young woman back in the day. The things that poor girl went through. Death and despair weigh heavily on her, just for her husband to come back home after 3 years, with 3 younger girls
This was a great video. The insane things that the pioneers went through for the church always hurt my soul. So much of their history is whitewashed to paint this happy little mormon picture. Thank you for sharing this story!
She lived a horror story. I’m sorry your ancestor, and many like her went through so much. All so the men of the church could have what they wanted.
So heartbreaking. My father and maternal grandfather were the converts in my family. So proud to say those lies end with me, at least on my branch of our family tree.
I love that you went through to read a family history story and took the time to research and read between the lines to genuinely comprehend that absolute bs that woman lived through instead of the audaciously positive spin it was woven in.
14:29 Brigham young, toe fungus of a man! 🤣🤣🤣 and he was the good guy in this story. That is a bad look for George.
This story is so wrong in so many ways. I just can’t imagine the church thinking it’s ok for husbands to go on missions and leave their wives alone and for three fucking years. I’ve always said that the church has thousands of journals of both pioneer women and girls and their mothers that were brought here from other countries only to marry into polygamy. (Nothing but sex trafficking).I would love to get my hands on those journals hidden in that huge granite vault and read how they really felt. I could go on and on with wrongs the church has and still is going to women, but it’s time to get off my soapbox. Please give us more stories of these unfortunate strong women.
I always felt like the church sending married men on missions was SO WRONG! The fact that many of them brought more wives home with them, is disturbing.
I agree! I’ve always hated hearing stories about married men leaving their wives pregnant and destitute for a mission as if it was some huge badge of honor. Seriously I have zero idea how the church managed to put a positive spin on something so obviously wrong.
One man went on a ten year mission. Married other women while on his mission, and then as soon as he got back to utah, he was sent to Hawaii on another 10 year mission
Depending on if there is an afterlife and what it is like, my pioneer ancestors are proud of me. I broke the chain of exploitation of a scam that they fell victim to.
Agreed! FLD$/LD$/Salt Lake City Utah here I had my name and LD$s# removed !
Yes, sad story. Anyone who has Mormon heritage knows stories like this. I'm glad to watch your channel. I am so glad to no longer be one of them. I'm not even a little bitter 😂.
I am pretty sure Netflix could make series and movies from the church at any time in history.... This is nuts
Yes! And they should call it “Saints”. That way when people look up Saints the church book they’ll get recommendations for the show:)
Maybe an episode or so highlighting a different person and their experiences in the early church. I would love a show like this, especially one not made by the church and actually showing the truth
Women are usually left out of mormon history. Thanks for sharing ❤
cuz they died off, suffered lots of depression and probably weren't the happy the cult was looking for
Listening to your comprehensive account of Melissa's life fills me full of disgust and venom for this church, which I have left as well. Orson Pratt, one of the original apostles in the church, and one of my progenitors, did much the same thing, leaving his wife(s) in cruel poverty to head off for England and a mission for the church. I seeth inside every time I hear stories such as yours Lex. Thank you for this account. Your feelings about all this reflect mine.
Learning about one of my ancestors who was a polygamist was one of the major cracks of my shelf. It was never talked about, I was one of the first to actually bring it up and family didn't believe me until I pulled all the evidence from the Family Tree app. Then it turned into, oh yeah that's something they had to do, and hadn't been discussed again.
I had to Google Nauvoo lol! I always thought it was upstate NY that they were driven out of. I had no idea it was Illinois! Look at me learning & stuff😂
Now, we have ways to deal with trauma. I can't imagine what these sweet sisters went through?
they had an insane asylum in salt lake city. the lucky ones found a quick escape in bottle of poison. the unlucky women ended up in the insane asylum.
think about it. sharing your home with another woman, and sincerely believing eternity did not have a thing better. not for eternity.
be a breeding unit for eternity. that's it.
today's mormonism kind of teaches becoming a god or goddess. brigham's mormonism never used the word goddess. and it's not in 132. the word concubine is. what's a concubine? a sexual plaything.
I very much appreciate the work that you did to find out all the details and put the video together. Such a heart-wrenching topic.
I like what you’ve hit on here with the deep dives into pioneer stories.
My heart is utterly broken for Melissa, but her life’s story is important. It could help save others from living their life in unhappiness out of a false sense of duty to god.
This is a fantastic idea for a series. Gonna continue tuning in and looking forward to more
I know that disease was rife in the Victorian era, but I can't help but think that travelling by wagon train, living in a homestead without enough heat, food or even a bed may have played a role in all those babies dying.
I couldn’t imagine being that kind of a man. That is the total cake.
Thank you for sharing her story with us. ❤
I'm surprised her relatives' letters were allowed to be preserved.
Me too!
I often wonder why so much of the historic narrative of the LDS is preserved. So much of it is self-damning. Maybe the people doing the preservation really believe that it's "truth"?🙄. Although they did ban/destroy a lot of the early 20th century Doctrines and Covenants.....
It was proof of struggle and tests of faith???
Wow. This is so sad. Unfortunately it seems to be typical for frontier Utah. I’ve never been Mormon but have distant relatives who converted in 1838. Their life stories are eerily similar to Melissa. Thanks for sharing. More clips like this would be great.
Wow! Ì didn’t know your family’s ties to the church went back that far. I enjoyed this Lex! Please do more.
It’s kinda funny how all my life in the church, I vehemently hated pioneer stories because I could see how the leadership was ruining everyone else’s lives and how they needlessly suffered. Now I’m out, I still feel that way and can finally feel that way about my life with zero guilt/shame.
The church is often a cycle of abuse and/or misery. Good on you for breaking it!
Thank you for telling Melissa's story. ❤ ❤ ❤
Thank you for sharing this story. So sad but so interesting.
My great-great grandparents, Benjamin and Mary Platt came to Utah in the Martin Handcart Company. They helped settle southern Utah.
I don't think much about this no-good husband. He is just another horrible person, and there will be horrible people forever. I do think a lot about the organization and the leaders who normalize these creeps and use them for their own benefit, to the detriment of the community. Even in wolf packs or any other group of gregarious animals, the wellbeing of the group does not depend on the lack of creeps, it depends on the organization of members to take care of the creeps.
Even as a young child, growing up in the church, I was always very uncomfortable about what the pioneers went through. Also, I knew that men in the early days of the church practiced polygamy, but, it wasn't until recently that I learned how many people participated in it. I didn't even know that Joseph Smith had as many wives as he did.
I was always forced to go to early morning seminary in high-school. The year that we studied the Doctrine and Covenants, I refused to go, as the teacher was a direct decendant of Joseph Smith and her husband's line went back to John Taylor. She taught the gospel according to her opinion. I don't think I ever felt comfortable reading the D&C scriptures.
Thanks for doing this video. I would love to hear more. 😊
Such a sad story. Thank you for telling it, and yes I'd like to hear more stories.
It's insane how they commandeer these stories to try to make them out to be the heroes.
Truths need to be told !
Oh my goodness 😢heartbreaking story… so sad, thank you so much for sharing with us ❤️😘much love to you 😘xxx
Thank you for sharing your family's story. Please share more pioneer journals - it helps understand the bigger picture separate from the church's spin.
Everything in that LD$ cult is a "spin" I got out after 40 yrs. My world of awakening opened up !
Wow! I almost cried, too. I can't even imagine.... Please do more deep dives of pioneers!
I did enjoy this, like I do all of your videos! Please do more❤
Gotta love how the men are ALWAYS called to work other places or far away missions....leaving all these women behind with the church elders.......hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thx for sharing. This makes me so sad. I have ancestry that was there when the church organized. April whatever. I can’t believe so many generations have been in this church.
This is a bizarre story! But sadly, not uncommon, crazy pioneers! Did I miss where I could find this story to read again? Thanks Lexi!
Heartbreaking 💔
What an awful situation, she totally got screwed over.
In more ways than one!
When I was younger we had a joke about what the name "Nauvoo" meant... I can't repeat it here, but it'll make you laugh... Such sorrow & horrifying conditions, it's a wonder ANY of them stayed!
I'm 43. I don't have a daughter, but if I had one, I wouldn't approve of her marrying a mormon guy.
Lexi I loved this style of video, I hope you'll make more. Thank you for sharing her story with us.
honestly so funny that from the jump, Mormons have always considered anyone who has any criticism of the church whatsoever is just hateful, bitter, and misinformed. #definitelynotacult
Flirt to convert and marry. Very different approach to sharing the good news.
I love the idea to deep dive into pioneer stories!
These videos are so interesting
What a sad yet interesting story.
Important to share these
As sad as the story was to tell, I like the way that you told it. I think it's sad how some Churches take advantage of people who willingly choose to suffer from preventable suffering.
I'm still at the beginning and I'm too distracted by the tiger playing with your necklace 🐅
Hard to hit the like button on that story. 😢 Thanks for sharing though!
Thank so much for sharing this! I hope to see more of the same. ❤
Thanks for the content!
Good presentation! thank you so much. Very interesting family history. You have a gift for explaining all this stuff. Your energy is wonderful.
Keep doing what you do, Lexy ❤❤❤
I can't remember if it's the journal of Jacob Hamblin, or Charles c walker, but one of those men married a young native girl that his wife had taken in as a slave. And as soon as he married her, she ran away. The temple ceremony and marriage was too much for her. She didn't realize she was getting married when he took her from st George to salt Lake. They didn't know her age, probably 12 or 14, but she couldn't speak English very well either. I read the story in the man's own journal. But I can't remember if it was jacob hamblin or Charles walker
That's a heartbreaking life. Poor Melissa 😢♥️
I've been thinking about Patty Sessions. She came over the plains to Utah as a midwife and delivered a huge percentage of all the babies born in that time. What I'm curious about is that at certain points in history midwives were also the abortionists. I know abortion was rampant in mormon society before crossing the plains, but the abortionist from that time didn't make the crossing. I think it's plausible there's a story there that would be fascinating to dig into.
Imagine this story casually slipping out during Trek
Also, these people were having a LOT of sex. For a church that pushes purity culture to the extreme, I find that very ironic.
Looooved this!!!
My mom made too many sacrifices for the church. She is Thai and left her religion to join the church. Then she married my white dad because there were so few priesthood holders in Thailand. She moved to Idaho with a suitcase and almost no money. It was in the middle of December and was her first winter. My mom left behind her culture, religion, and family because of the church. She wouldn’t be able to go back to Thailand to see her family for over twenty years because my parents couldn’t afford it, and that’s because they paid so much in tithes and fast offerings. I’m just glad my parents love each other, and now they are retired and living in Thailand. Unfortunately, they want to stay there to serve a mission or two or three. My heart breaks for every single person who has sacrificed and lost so much because of this church.
I didn't know that my great grandmother, who was born in 1898, was a product of polygamy until my mom recently let that detail slip out.
I just had an idea for a historical fiction where the First Nations people managed to put a stop to Manifest Destiny at the line of the Mississippi River, possibly with French aid, before the Louisiana Purchase.
Appreciate this video, thanks! Really hard to know my ancestor's stories since FamilySearch seems to be scrubbed clean of plural wives except for the famous ones. SMH, Mormon Church, stop hiding family history!
Love!❤
This is hands down your best video.
Glad you think so!
Good stuff - well delivered.
Kind of wonder how all our family history accounts also took the tone of faith over fact and or at least the acknowledgement of hardship and trauma. However being in the church I get it. When your whole life and community is to promote the only one true kingdom of God it is hard to write any narrative that makes the sacrifices not worth the effort.
love this deep dive!
Brigham Young….Toe fungus of a man. 😂😂
I love your shirt in this video
It’s so sad that she had been comfortable until the Mormons got her and ended up living in misery. I don’t have pioneer heritage my parents are both converts. However it reminds me of my great grandmother she was German and from a good family she had a private education and she could speak more than one language and played the harp. Basically this was no working class woman. Unfortunately then the bad man came by the time the war was over she was a cleaning lady. I don’t know all the details but I know enough to know she did get sucked into the common beliefs and sadly she paid the consequences.
Margaret Anne Griffiths Clegg, came across the plains in the ill-fated Eddie Martin company. Her brother died on the way, and her father died, the night they got into SLC. She lived a hard life, but had numerous children survived. That was about as much a Mormon woman could hope for back then, so she was "happy". Another great+grandmother, was a secondary wife, and treated like crap. At one point she and her children were living in a tent, with her husband almost always with his first wife, who hated her and her kids, and did everything she could to keep them from getting anything. I'm sure there was a lot of that back then.
life on the prairie was never easy even in the best of circumstances, Can you imagine living in a tent in UT or ID during the winter?
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How many early church members/pioneers do you have in your family tree? I went back 5 generations only looking at my grandparents and I've found 74. With the majority coming to Utah after being baptized in England.
Interesting question! I’ll look through and come back when I count.
@@ExmoLex I made a spreadsheet. lol.. I've found so many interesting stories..
I love most everything you post dear it’s just that I am old and you talk so fast I wish you would talk a little bit slower and perhaps emphasize a bit of certain areas that you’re reading so that grandma hair can keep up. Otherwise, great work I was in the church from birth until nearly 60 and married a Very good and godly Baptist man who has his ministerial license since a young man though he doesn’t pastor today he has taught classes where we’ve gone to church we’re married now over 14 years but I quit going to church due to severe illness back in 2008. I was working full-time more than full-time plus had five callings and no one ever tried to help me. I was a single mom as well, and it was insane. The only sad thing for me has been some of my extended LDS family members have not been as close to me since. Yes there’s so many beautiful things in the church such, striving for excellence, serving others, etc., but you find that exists in other good churches to it just isn’t dressed up the same way as the Mormon lifestyle is dressed. But I’m much more at peace today focusing on the Lord Jesus Christ and Nothing More. He is my all in all, and it is he who I go to for my strength and my needs. Thanks for your time and bless you for your work. The general public has an awful lot to learn regarding all things Lds.
go to the settings button that is where you can SLOW down the speed of the video and hopefully pick one easier for you to listen to
I would be more open to the idea of sacrifice as a virtue if the leaders shared in what is asked of the members.
Our history is rife with stories like the handcart companies being grossly under supplied by the church (planned) while Brigham was building opulent houses in Salt Lake, and in the current day GAs enjoy a comfortable living allowance while admonishing the destitute to pay a full tithe (implied 10% gross).
The Abrahamic sacrifice has become one of those doctrinal plugs, and when THAT fails (remember, Isaac was spared) the plug of blessings in the afterlife is the fallback.
Theres a lot of gossiping at the Mormon chruch .
Thats what they are taught to do only they call it "reporting" Visit, report, who reports again, then its discussed. After 40 yrs of it I had my name, LD$s# removed with honor ! My kids and I ran from Utah !
@@Mrs.Robinsons How did you managed to servive in thatcreepy environment?Its good that you and your kids move away from that weird state. I hear Utah is theur own little lds world they mind as well become independent their own little mormon country.
@@purpleflowers92 Indeed its very different in Utah/Idaho. Domestic Violence is under the disguise of Gaslighting and Facades so authorities dont get it. One can google notorious utah/idaho mormons and discover the secrets behind organized crime. UT LD$ are/were RubyFranke, JodiHildebrant, LoriVallow, ChadDaybell, JoshPowell, TedBundy, JodiAuris, KouriRichins, StevenPowell, AlexCox, MeganHuntsman, MelanieBordeaux, the list goes on....
This tale is sooo mormonesque.
There is not ONE mormon prairie wife obeying the law of plural marriage who was happy in her shared marriage, not one.
Um, you guessed it, they were all bitter.
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prairie life being what it was, it meant MORE hardship.
33 is old to marry in the 1800s. Melissa's son Howes did that.
Sounds like her life was good then she joined the church
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But she atleast had faith 😂
People in the 1800s, in some ways, had it harder than modern people do, but they stuck together in a way we don't.
Viewing the past through the lens of the present is not very helpful. You can't imagine her motives or her choices because you have never had real suffering. You'll understand this more clearly by the time your children have children. Youth lack perspective.
Ah yes, the silencing attempt.
You haven't heard Exmo Lex's story if you say that. For example, her in-laws had be cut out of their life because of the things they say and did. She just read melissa's story, and showed empathy for her. I think your the one without perspective.
Okay…haven’t watched the whole video yet so I can’t compare, but not only was Exmo Lex disowned and threatened by her in-laws, she was also assaulted by a young man when she was a teenager, and before that she struggled with depression. All of that indicates real suffering. Assuming she hasn’t been through real suffering based on limited information is callous and unkind.
An old white man dismissing the wisdom of young women in order to excuse the rampant sexual abuse of the past? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!!
Sexual abuse was wrong then and it's wrong now. And they knew it then just as you do now.
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