NEVER Ever 5W-30 on the Land Rover Discovery 4 LR4 Again!
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- Hey everyone! In this episode I want to tell you why I changed from my 5W-30 C2 engine oil to a 5W-40 C3 engine oil with a higher HTHS (High Temperature High Share) value and why you should change too!
The answer is actually quite simple as well as logical and that is because I want my engine to stay alive for a long time. And in my opinion, it can only do that if it is maintained with the right products.
I know that there are many opinions about oil for Land Rovers, but after changing the oil I can report that the engine runs smoother and smoother!
According to the Land Rover manual, a 5W-30 C2 oil is actually sufficient. However, if you compare the viscosity of the two oils, you will notice that the 5W-40 C3 oil has a much more stable lubricating film at higher temperatures than the C2. And that's exactly why I've been using the 5W-40 C3 oil in our Discovery 4 lately.
Even if the consumption is supposed to be higher due to the thicker or more viscous oil, this is out of all proportion to the costs of possible damage to the engine.
What is the HTHS value?
The HTHS value is a measure of the viscosity of an engine oil under demanding conditions. Specified limit values ensure that engine oils can maintain a tear-resistant lubricating film in the bearing area at high temperatures and high speeds (shear gradient), even in high-performance engines.
Products I used in this video: (affiliate links)
➡️ Castrol 5W-40 C3 (5 litres):
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➡️ Castrol 5W-40 C3 (1 litre):
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➡️ The MANN Oil Filter with O-Ring:
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INDEX:
00:00 Intro & Information
01:46 Preparing & Get started
06:00 Drain out the oil
06:30 Dismantle the oil filter
08:10 Check the oil
10:00 Install the new oil filter
12:45 Fill in the new oil
14:10 Check the oil level
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All the best,
Peter
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Love these LR4 videos! Please keep them coming!
Maybe do a transmission oil/filter replace? That would be awesome!
@Stevottty Thanks 🙏🏻 I have already changed the filter and the oil for the gearbox myself before I had the channel. But last time I had it flushed to get the finest particles out of the back corners. If you use an aftermarket filter, you can do it without lifting the engine. These are the filters or sumps that come with a separate connection pipe.
Thank you for your videos. I have changed to 5W-40 C3 Castrol Magnatec like you. The engine sounds so much better and 'seems happier'. I do high mileage about 35k miles a year, on-road, off-road and overland! Thank you.
Glad to hear that the 5W-40 has brought an improvement! Many greetings, Peter
Moin Peter, nice to watch your videos, thanks for sharing your experience.
I have a question about the oil: there is a magnatec C3 and DPF, how did you decide to go for the D3?
And: good idea with the selfmade can:-) I like it and will copy it.
Bastian (Hamburg area)
Hi Peter. Like many of us Discovery owners you’ve probably been following advice / guidance from Vera & Christian from LR Time. I’d really love to hear your experience of making the change over to 5W-40. What are the noticeable improvements etc. I’ve just bought 8litres of Castrol Magnatec C3 for my late 2016 D4 with DPF. I will make the changeover this weekend. Hopefully it will make the distinctive diesel v6 rattle less rattly !!! Greetings from London btw. Love your channel. Best wishes. Ty
Hi Tyrone! Yes, of course I follow both of them 😉 And since we all want to keep our Land Rovers alive as long as possible, I think it's important to share as much experience as possible and also try unconventional things!
As far as the oil is concerned, I can currently say the following: the engine was much smoother from the first start than with the 5W30. The rattling has completely disappeared. However, since about 2500km (2 months before the oil change) I have also been using a diesel additive which has completely eliminated the engine judder at low temperatures. But a video with my experiences will be posted on Sunday.
Thank you, I really appreciate it!☺️
Best regards from Graz and all the best, Peter
Nice content. Thank you. Here is a shortcut to get a quick reading of your oil level without having to wait for ages: open your car's hood, go to oil level menu, click a few times cancel button on your steering wheel and voila. Normally it is recommended to put oil level up to the max, i.e. 6 liters of oil. These engines are pretty sensible to oil shortages.
Hi Egor! Thanks for the hint, another user already told me that. So with this it's much easier to check the oil level than having running the engine until it's warm, wait 10 minutes and then check the oil level. 😄 A few days later I also added the last litre until it shows me that it's fully filled to the max. Thanks for your tip an have good day, Peter
@@notthatkindofachannel HI Peter! Great to hear. Please keep posting interesting content ;))
Hi, my comrade! There are a few advices for you. You can instantly check oil level by opening the hood, then going into oil service menu on your gage cluster screen and then press cancel cruise button for one of two times, and the immediate oil level will be shown. My further advice wold be to fill in oil to the highest level, so the oil level scale would be full (it would take you 6 liters). It is important due to specific construction of oil reservoir (dont know the particular name in english) at the bottom of the engine.
Btw, how is you engine doing on 5w40? Also thinking to switch as you did.
Best regards!
Hello, and thank you very much for your tips! I hadn't heard about the oil level before, but it works perfectly! :) I topped up about another 500ml 3 weeks ago and will now also add the last 500ml.
As I said in my other video, the Discovery runs much smoother, both when warm and cold. What is noticeable, however, is that it needs a little more diesel. Not by much, but around 0.2 - 0.3 litres per 100 kilometres. But I'd rather invest the extra cost of diesel than that of a new engine.
All the best and best regards, Peter
Very nice build. I aspire to have a rig like yours. What engine do you have in your vehicle, I have a Scv6 and I don't know if 5W40 is the right oil for mine.
Hello! It is also a SDV6 in the Discovery 4 / LR4. The 5W-40 has a higher viscosity than the 5w-30 and that is the reason why I use it. Mainly because this very engine needs high lubrication. The 5W-30 is better for cold environments because it is not as thick and therefore the engine starts easier in low and cold temperatures. Another disadvantage, if you like, is the possibly resulting higher fuel consumption. However, this is not the case for me. As already mentioned, I can only speak from experience and do not want to urge anyone to use 5W-40 instead of 5W-30. Best regards!
Those Lion engines require 5w40 with zinc additives, they been developed by PSA and short while the pollution restrictions Euro 5,6 showed up, in order to comply with this regulations, the manufacturer (Ford) change the original spec recomended by the french designer and switched to low ash content 5w30. From the original project to the final product, JLR changed about four supplier's and the initial requirements has been lost or forgotten.
Hi Peter, thans for the clear instructions, I will be upgrading to 5W-40 very soon. One question though, with everyone that is upgrading to 5W-40 I see Castrol Magnatec, is there a specific reason everyone sticks to this brand? For example today I saw the Shell Helix 5W-40 in the shop as well. Do you have any idea? Maybe ACEA rating... Thanks :)
Hi, I think it's because Land Rover itself uses and recommends anything from Castrol. Otherwise, if Shell oil has the same specifications, I don't see any reason to use Castrol. I used to use Fuchs oil, which is used by many car manufacturers as an initial filling, and I was always satisfied. But when it comes to oil and Land Rover, there are an infinite number of de facto opinions 😄
I can only speak from personal experience and the difference between 5W-30 and 40 is noticeable.
All the best, Peter
hi Peter, That was quite informative and i am planning to change my oil on 2011 LR4 with 250,000km SDV6. was thinking of using liquimoly Top Tec 4200 5W-30 New Generation and i am based in Tunis. what are your thoughts for this? Many thanks for the great videos and they help a lot.
Hey @ThePaparaya! The Liqui Moly is certainly not a bad oil, but the thickness of the oil is still a 5w-30. And since you live in Tunisia and your temperatures are much higher than here in Central Europe, I would personally go for a 5w-40. The 5w-40 C3 has the advantage that the lubricating film does not break off at high temperatures, as can happen with a 5w-30. Many greetings, Peter
So... a bit of oil knowledge about oil. 5W30... this means that the oil is "5" in viscosety at cold temp. The "30" is when the oil is warm/hot. 5 because you want to be able to pump the oil easily during start and it reaches all parts easy. But when the engine is hot you want to have a proper and strong oil film betreden those parts.
The A/B or C tells us something about the SAPS and HTHS of the oil. To put it simply...SAPS are the "metall" parts in your exhaust gasses and HTHS is how "strong" the oil film is between parts suchs as a camshaft and hydraulic lash adjusters.
So.. i drive a LaRo 3.0 v6 diesel. LandRover tells you to use a 5W30 C1 oil. The C1 has low SAPS but a poor HTHS. Poor SAPS for tthe DPF. But what about the engine???
This is a more precious and expencife part to replace, or not.
But i can not us a C3 which has a higher HTHS (or engine protection) because of the higher SAPS aswell.
So i use the Fuchs Titan GT1 flex 34 C4!!!
HIGH HTHS TO PROTECT THE ENGINE AND LOW SAPS FOR THE DPF!!
BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
And Fuchs is a OEM oil for many many car factories. So that tells you something about the quality. 11:56
ein Tipp, erst das meiste absaugen, dann unten aufmachen, und zum Spülen, frischen öl von oben nachfüllen. lg aus Bayern in die Steiermark
B4 I start D4 I always check my oil but I'm not sure if the oil leveller is working
What would be the best way to find out
My level seems to be on top all the time but never shown a half way level like yours hopefully there's something I can do 👍👍👍👍
Hi Charlie! I think your oil level sensor is working properly. After replacing it, I topped up the remaining 0.5 litres, as the wet fill quantity is a full 6 litres. Now my level is also almost full. So I would say that everything is fine with you so far 😊
Hi Peter,
I have been considering using the 05w 40 C3 Oil. My car is one of the first D3's December 2004 so a little concerned with using the low ash C3 as mine is non DPF and should use A3 B4 which is difficult to obtain .
I generally change my oil evey 3000k miles (4000km) which is 6 months interval as per JLR recommendations (6000 miles or 6 months whichever the sooner. I now have 140,000 miles on mine. I am now due an oil and filter change and debating which oil to use. I have managed to find the 05w 30 A3 B4 in the Castrol but very limited supply and £88 for 8ltrs.
Regards
Peter
Hi Peter! I don't think the C3 is suitable for a D3 without DPF either, but I think it's good for the Discovery 4. It runs much smoother now after about 500km than before. Therefore, I think that the C3 does the Discovery 4 more good than harm.
Haha yeah, when it comes to oil it always ends up in heated discussions. 😄 I think everyone should use the oil they want and think is good.
Greetings from Graz and have a nice Sunday!
@@notthatkindofachannel hi Peter. I am really please that the LR4 is much smoother now. I will keep researching before I make my final decision on oil.
@@powervolt748 I have switched to the 5w40 at my last oil change.
Hi Peter, how does your D3 is doing after the change to the 5W-40? Many greetings from Graz, Peter
@notthatkindofachannel Hi Peter. I have undertaken two oil changes now using 5w 40 and the engine is running fine. No issues in summer or winter. I have worked the engine hard off road. I change my oil and filter every 6 months or 6000 miles, whichever is sooner. Generally my oil is changed every 3000 miles at 6 months.
Regards
Peter.
Hi ! Just a question : why don't you simply drain the oil by the vacuum pipe ? Thanks.
Hi, the simple answer is that I don't have a vacuum pump with which I can extract the oil. Otherwise, I would also do it via such a pump. All the best, Peter
@@notthatkindofachannel Hi. I've bought a Mityvac 7201 pump on amazon. That's not very expensive compare to the time spare. No need to lift the car neither to remove shields.
Hi brother,
I own a 2011 HSE SDV6 LR4 I live in the UK , would you advise using this type of oil ?
Thanks
Nick.
Hey, yes I would definitely recommend this! The engine is much more quiet after changing the oil! Merry Christmas, Peter
Ich nutze ROME C4 genauso wie beim Renault Megane GT mit 150PS. Die Renault Leute haben extra das C4 Öl entwickelt und die wissen ganz genau warum. Es gibt kaum Autos welche mit C4 fahren. Der Renault Motor MR9 ist bekannt dafür, dass er locker 500.000km hält.
Hi Peter How many km 13:12 have you been using this oil? have you noticed improvements? Does the engine consume less oil? Is it suitable for DPF / EGR? Thanks
Or is it preferable to use Magnatec 5/40 DPF ? Thanks
Hi, I have always used Magnatec 5W-40 C3 in our Land Rover Discovery's for 3 years and have never had a problem with it. However, it is also possible to use the DPF version of the 5W-40. Best regards, Peter
Im somehow unable to find your other video, where you talk about the air suspension module. Can you please point me to it? Thanks.
Hey, I think I talked in the Rock Slider video about that. Regards Peter
@@notthatkindofachannel Thanks! Can you please write how the lift module is called? I tried searching for Mattech/matech/matek 4x4, no luck :)
@@matijakovacic1730 The name of the company is Mudtech4x4. You’ll find them on Facebook I guess…
@@notthatkindofachannel Thanks!
Servus Peter
Interessante Videos 👍🏻Leider reicht mein Englisch nur für ca 50% der Informationen und zum Bier bestellen in englischen Pubs😉lg Mario
Hallo Mario, danke dir freut mich sehr! 🤣 Somit ist die Grundversorgung schon gegeben 😉 Viele Grüße
I’ve just changed mine 157k with millers c1 5/30 plan on doing every 5k
That sounds good! :) But even then you are unfortunately not immune to damage. Have a nice day, Peter
It looks like Millers XF PREMIUM C1 5W-30 is recomended on their site for my D4 2,7tdv6
Did you use 5w 40 ? I am thinking to use 5w 40 as I will be travelling into Spain towing a caravan.
Yes, I’m using the Casteol Magnatec 5W-40 C3 for over 3 years now and I’m very happy with it! Can really recommend the oil 👍🏻
Hi!
Is 5W-40 oil always c3?
Hey, no, a 5W-40 is not always a C3. To make sure you get the right one, you should check the specifications of the oil you want to use. Greetings, Peter
@@notthatkindofachannel thank you!
I live in New York (not a hot area apparently), would you think I am fine to stick with 5w-30 for 2011 v8 with 185k miles?
Why not 5W-30 C3 from Castrol ?
Hello, Land Rover generally recommends 5W-30 for the engine. However, the lubricity at high temperatures is not as high as with a 5W-40. Unfortunately, a lot of damage to the engine occurs because the lubricating film then tears off. And that is exactly the reason why I personally use the 5W-40. The 5W-30 is certainly the better choice for cold countries such as Finland or Norway, as the cold-start properties are better due to the somewhat "thinner" oil and the temperatures in the far north are not as high as in Spain or Italy, for example. Best regards, Peter
LR recommends C1 for 5W30, the most strict rating. I dont know the impact of using C3...
My LR 4 , 240000km only with 5-30, C1 going super and doing 2 oil changes every year and driving hard and fast. That oil is not C1 that you use.
I would never go back to 5W-30. In my opinion, it is too thin and the risk of the lubricating film cracking at high temperatures is too high for me personally. In addition, the Disco runs much more smoothly with the 5W-40 C3 than before. I think you are a very rare exception with your Discovery, so that it still runs so smoothly 👍🏻 All the best, Peter
@@notthatkindofachannel And to you😉
Millers every time