Man I couldn’t agree more! I loooove the EOS R. I traded in my 5d mk iv for it, which is technically a higher model in the Canon lineup. I couldn’t be happier with my decision. The EOS R is such an underrated camera. I use it almost exclusively now, even more than my 1dx mk ii. I still use the 120d when I want those buttery 120 FPS shots though 😉
@@tombuck but you haven't mentioned the lack of in-built body stabilisation in Canon EOS R which forces one to purchase a lens with inbuilt image stabilisation.
Lack IBIS is non-issue if you intend to use RF L which have IS - nobody seems to know that RF L lenses with IS have 5 stops of optical stabilisation. A month ago Jared of Ditch Auto, who is a a7iii shooter, did a review of the RF 28 - 70 F2 L (which has no IS) and said the digital IS of the EOS R was giving better results in handheld video than the IBIS of his Sony.
@@JackFN_VR64 I saw that as well actually, since posting my last comment. Here's the issue though, shooting photos without as IS lens... Yes, if you have the new RF lenses with IS then they are awesome. Or if shooting video the digital IS is surprisingly good, even beating out at A7iii with IBIS. But what I want to be able to do is mount a canon EF 24-70 onto a canon mirrorless body that has IBIS, and boom all the shots taken are stabilized. I don't want to have to pay $2,300 for the new RF 24-70 with IS, or heck how awesome would it be to have IBIS for that incredible 28-70 f/2? Canon is just so behind compared to the competition, and for a company as big as they are, they should of had this out sooner. Again though, you're certainly right - with an IS lens or if shooting video with electronic IS you'll be good to go.
Jack dN I work with both the A73 and the EOS R, IBIS in the Sony is totally useless for videos, just terrible, every Sony owner will tell you. IBIS is for stills anyway, digital IS has proven with the GoPro 7 and the Osmo action that it is the future. As you said, the combination of canon IS lenses and the digital IS works incredible on the EOS R, I certainly don’t want a bigger EOS with ibis, but just a next gen digital IS like GoPro and Dji. What Panasonic did on the GH5 and G85 was good only because it’s a tiny sensor. Their recent Full Frame camera’s ibis is just as lame as the A73.
Wesley Chapman yes but the canon r has digital stabilisation I regularly shoot with the rf 50 and the digital stabilisation is unbelievable it’s not far off being on a tripod
You gotta stop man. After watching your 6DMII review about a year or so ago I got one. Then after your reviews of the EOSR I ended up getting of those too. Don’t buy anything else or I might buy it too! Cool? Thanks. (Sidenote: Keep up the great content!)
Sony needs to add these features like flip screen so we can have the specs of a Sony with the reliability and ease of use like a canon Sony on their way tho better weather sealing, better buttons and better grip we have so far
I agree with all of your points, particularly the video bitrates. So many people only look at resolution and ignore the bitrate, not realizing how important it is to the overall quality.
I never paid attention to bitrates before, but I'm glad I started to. Even at 1080p, it's shocking how crisp the image is compared to the 6D II (which I love).
Great points! Yeah, bit rate is super important. Even if you end up with massive files, you get quality. This is just the beginning for Canon. Next cameras will add more awesomeness on top of that.
Nice video, one thing though: Bitrate is 90 Mbps in FullHD (24/25/30p) not 180 Mbps (180 Mbps is in 50p/60p only - twice the 90 Mbps) so campared to 60 Mbps on other cameras it's not 3x but only 1 1/2x (which is impressive anyways). And 480 Mbps in 4K vs. 100 Mbps is great too!
I had a C100 Mark II camera, the images it produced was far better than Sony or Canon...the bitrate was so low in comparison. Sometimes higher bitrate doesn´t mean better video quality. The camera brands let them best codec to the high end models. Nice video!
That's true and the C100 is such an outstanding camera. From what I remember even though the C100 is a 1080 camera, it has a 4K sensor, which helps it to create really outstanding image quality.
Not sure how I got here after a year? Nice video, but one point you say that the shutter closes when the lens is taken off? Am I missing something, because I have to turn the Camera off to get the shutter to close???
I found your channel from Heather and saw that you subscribed to my channel recently thank you. I knew you looked familiar and I just remembered you were the assistant teacher to Mr Garcia my senior year in High school and you taught us for a while during 5th period AP 😂 that’s awesome you are a content creator now 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I enjoy your videos--appreciate your honest reviews that give pros and cons and your enthusiasm feels genuine not over-the-top fake. I went to a store and held both cameras and am torn between them--there's a traditional feel to the 6D that I find nice, but the R has technology that is intriguing, but more $$. Which would you suggest for a hobbyist strictly looking to get back into still photography mainly for fun? I am not going to use video at all but find that most of the reviews cover cameras from the video point of view. thank you.
For photos, I really don’t think you can go wrong with either camera. It probably just comes down to budget and what’s easiest to afford. I mainly focus on video, but both cameras take great photos. The R has a slightly better sensor, better autofocus, and higher burst rate, but the 6D is no slouch. I have many large prints on the walls at home and work from the 6D II and they look stunning. Here’s my verdict: -If you can afford it, go for the R -If you need to save a little money to with the 6D Either way you’ll be happy. 👍
Nice review! Concise, easy to follow. One feature you didn't mention is just the color science on the Canon cams. It's definitely preferable to the greenish hue of the Sony cams.
The touch and drag is very cool but not totally unique. First time I believe it got used (without the drag focus in video) was the Panasonic G6. I find it one of the most intuitive ways of picking focus and makes the contrast based system in Panasonic cameras quite competitive. Since leaving micro four thirds I do wish Sony would properly introduce it.
@Stefanie Daniella yes touch AF has been around for a long long time but pretty certain the Panasonic G6 was the first where you could look through the EVF and still use the LCD to control the point of focus. Touchscreens sure do help usability such a shame a lot of the Sony's limit their function.
Great video man just upgraded to the EOS R and I'm loving it so far. But that's not the reason for this comment lol i noticed you said that the LCD screen on the A7III was terrible and I have had the chance to use both cameras and I will say that the LCD on the Sony and the movement of it was PERFECT for me. I was shooting live music for a music artist on tour so that screen on the Sony really helped me out a lot while getting those low angle shots. Just my 2 cents. Great video again BTW very informative.
Jhenu yeah you just got it, it’s called Canon C500ii available in November for $15k 😂 or you can also wait for the A7S3 hahaha... oh yeah you got it too it’s the new Sony FX9 for $10k. Hey guys just get back on the ground, this will not happen! Cinema camera with these specs exist already, Sony and Canon won’t give it to you in a $2-3k DSLR body type 😫😝🤗
@@freddumartin7878 I dont have $19K change lying around .... btw i'm not chasing the mythical a7s3 .... probably pickup the next EOS RS or whatever they name it....
Jhenu I don’t have this kind of money as well, nobody has. I was being sarcastic against Canon and Sony. I’ll stick with my EOS R and XT3, they are good for what I do. Btw the XT3 is a smaller Aps-c sensor but it has the specs you you mentioned besides a little 1.1 crop in 4k60. I’m sure The next Canon R series will bring some goodness, they seem to invest a lot in the RF mount. That’s a good sign 😉
@@tombuck You right i think i will keep it for my vlogs , because i use the camera for photography work and once i bought the Eos R i completely stop using the 6dmark2
im a canon eosr user,but A73 screen has its advantages.. a73 doesnt need to moved sideways just to see the screen from top/bottom,which the eosr cant do.... and if we do turn the eosr screen up/down,it would not be aligned with the camera... so both has its advantages.
Just as a side note: Canon dslrs such as 6d and 5d also have the same exact sensor cover behind the mirror. You can see it if you flip the mirror with your finger.
I've had my R for a few weeks now. Interesting video but I have a couple of comments. 1/ The ability to use EF lenses is hardly "underrated." Likely MOST people who buy this camera choose it for this very reason? It was "reason numero uno" for me! 2/ Touch and drag is not working well for me. Maybe I'll "get the hang" of it with time but right now, I hate it! Just not working well for me at all. I've lived with "focus and recompose" so long, that it's second nature and I may never change to any other way of focusing. 3/ So much of the criticism of this camera comes from vloggers and sports shooters. That's fine. I understand their needs are not well-met with The R. But, I am neither and the R suits me pretty well . . . and takes all my EF L lenses! When Canon introduces a mirrorless with IBIS, I may well be a customer! So, for me . . . 4K Crop? Couldn't care less! Slow frame rate? Not so good but not a deal breaker. Lack of IBIS? A real bummer! I am still envious of the Sonys, but, if I am patient for just a while longer, I feel Canon WILL have a mirrorless with IBIS and a faster frame rate.
Thanks for taking the time to share your points! I don’t know if you saw anything about Canon’s fiscal report that just came out, but it talked a lot about the mirror less market. They said the R and RP didn’t sell as well as they hoped, but they’re going to keep pushing them and they’re aware of what new cameras need to offer. So it should be interesting to see what they release next.
The Enthusiasm Project the EOS R was a beta test for market research driving their first full frame design. The hidden secret is the RF mount. Trust me.....Canon has a bazooka in the works.
Careful with 3rd party lenses, as not all the lenses work! Some issues reported with Sigma/Tamron lenses already, prob due to firmware on those...check before buying :). Good vid! :)
Thanks for review! My favourite feature of EOS R is an incredible manual focus assistance. Besides being super precise and reliable it also provides an eye focus but manually. I was so impressed, that now almost completely switched from AF lenses to manual. Incredible!
@@tombuck Well in video mode only with face detection and in stills mode it supports eye detection. So camera recognise it an "put a box indicator" on a face/eye then you just need to throw focus ring until two arrows meet together on your screen or evf (manual focus assistance). Cool and reliable. And it works with Zeiss/Voigtlànder lenses beautifuly
I just love the R & gives superb quality shots. Build quality is excellent, handling is great, & battery life is superb, which is great for my travel photography -so far I have never had to use my spare battery. It falls short when I do birds -in -flight shots as the autofocus hunts a lot with long lenses, but my trusty 7DII takes over for that application. I'd recommend the R for anyone doing landscape, portrait, or macro photography.
Dude. Great breakdown on this camera. Super helpful. Earned a sub from me. To be honest, it’s not so much because of the video. You had me at your channel name. Nice done, man!
I am a canon user, no matter how good Sony cameras are I will think of switching to Sony only if they make fully articulated LCD screen. Sony should realise and understand how important that is.
Depends on who uses it maybe? I am an owner of EOS R too. Love the camera but i wish it is a tilt screen. I love canon colours and lens lineup. I shoot landscape and always use the L plate all time. The side plate gets in the way of the articulating screen as a result i could not use it at all for tilting while shooting low angle.
Nice one! Late to the party, but I’ve just received my EOS R yesterday. It’s a great camera. I find it hard to understand the negativity around this cam. There’ll always be people whining about the 4K crop factor, lack of 120FPS in 1080 etc etc. Good to hear your enthusiasm about it, there’s plenty to be enthusiastic about. Greetings from England.
Can’t wait to get one of these. Great job! If I may say, your endings are a little abrupt. Almost like walking away from a conversation without saying, “see you later,” or even, “bye!” 😂
why is this camera so hard to focus subjects that are moving somewhat quickly towards you?????? servo, tracking or zone just don't keep up. Can you do a tutorial vid?
You're right ... But what if... "R" had a new sensor instead of one that was criticized already when 5DMark IV came ... And image stabilization in the camera ... and two memory cards ... This was expected things so all criticism was quite right. It feels like Canon thinks they shouldn't see what others are giving or doing. But hopefully they have learned from the massive criticism they received. And if they don't, they will gladly, for my part, shut down the camera manufacturing .... and I am currently using Canon. And I still waiting for the "real one" ;)
For EF mount, the camera instructions told me, it will close the sensor cover automatically when you turn the camera off. But what I found really annoyed, the Eos R not allow me to switch quickly in video mode ( c- log, 120fps or taking picture while filming ). I hopw they could put some update features in future driver!
I adore my fully variable EOS R screen and wouldn't want anything different, but I understand the purpose of the Sony fold out screen from another UA-camr… A lot of people prefer these cameras for filmmaking, and while a flip out screen like the R is ideal for vlogging, when you are shooting a scene from behind the camera, the Sony design keeps the screen completely center with the camera you are holding. It creates a better hand-eye coordination and more stable camera hold while still allowing you to hold the camera low or high and still see the screen. It's all about having the right tool for the job. It's not for me, but I respect it's perfect for certain other types of camera users.
This is probably the best perspective to have. The right tool for one person may not be for another. I’ve borrowed the A7III again for about a month specifically to try and get a better understanding of its strengths- not how it compares to anything else, but how it stands on its own. While I haven’t gotten used to the screen, I can definitely appreciate that it’s an awesome camera.
Wow that sensor cover is a really big deal! Honestly. I actually shot with a panasonic S1 during a wedding and i switched lenses in the middle. A spec of dust went into my sensor and It was very noticeable in my shot! Fortunately enough I was able to fix it with after effects content aware fill. but man I wish i had that sensor cover during my shoot!
I agree with your thoughts on Canon, and would extend that to Olympus. Both companies are routinely dissed on the web, and yet both make exceptionally reliable and sensible cameras and lenses. I maintain an EOS R and an E-M1 system. I use them both interchangeably, and love what each has to offer.
Hey Elias, thanks for the kind words! I don't have anything for sale, the colors are actually just Canon colors straight out of the camera. I have a list of some videos geared specifically towards video production: ua-cam.com/play/PLVyN9Er-Mwb5movnti_IAvRoDdXUCBhsj.html If you have any specific questions, just let me know.
Love the touch and drag. But I think it would be awesome to have an option to let the camera acquire focus as soon as you lift of the finger from the screen after selecting the focus point. Another interesting option could be touch and drag on a smaller area, such as “thirds”, since its a smaller area, it would probably “roll” faster through focus points and also not get too close to your face while looking in the EVF. Finally, it would probably make the absolute position option of touch and drag more usable and maybe even faster than relative if you take the time to get used to it (like using a Wacom). Actually there is a lot that can be done in a touch display that size. I just wonder how much of my battery is draining out because of it.
Thanks! I really like them too. Had to avoid using them too much with b roll because they flicker, but turns out they’re fine with 1/100 shutter speed 👍
Unfortunately, 400 Mbps is not any better than Sony's 100, since both are only 8 bits bit depth. And that 400 is only the heavily cropped 4K. The Sony bitrate for HD video especially 120 is higher.
@@tombuck Yes, you are totally right, my mistake. Still, as an owner of EOS R and A7III, I can agree with other reviewers that the high 480Mbps gives zero advantage for the 4K image quality, the Sony 6K-to-4K downsampled image is cleaner than the direct 1.8x 4K sensor crop of the EOS R. Another bummer with the EOS R is its no-autofocus 120fps, it supports only 720p with a nice-on-paper-only 160Mbps, while the A7III's 1080p120fps at only 100Mbps is a lot cleaner video image with full tracking AF. Canon has a long road to go to catch up the competitors in this arena, honestly. Even when you compare it to the 10-bit recording competitors like Sigma fp, Panasonic S1, S1H, Nikon Z6. All of these cameras use the same Sony 6K-to-4K downsampling sensor, the Panasonic and Sigma without the PDAF layer. Sony A7III has low bit rate and bit depth, but the others work with full gear. How EOS R can compete all of these beasts?
I forgot that Sony downsamples 6K- that is pretty awesome. I’m currently borrowing an A7III just to see all the good things about it, and this definitely goes in the list.
@@tombuck yes, is a good camera, is just that Canon only give this things years later and still charge a lot more. So when you talk so well about the company... it feels wrong.
Great Video, Enthusiasm Project! I am saving my "jing" for a Canon EOS R. I'm "sold" already! Your video just runs it even deeper for me. I love your details and examples. This was a helpful set of info for me, and I plan to view your overall review on the R as well. As the owner of a Canon 6D right now, I can't imagine the upgrades that are going to happen when I purchase this "beast." And I believe you're right. Bashers tend to be people stuck on a spec or two, rather than real users of the camera. My 6D has done wonders for me, and will still be a decent back-up camera when I get the R. But the level of choices, the IQ, the focal points, the lens options ~ are all amazing. Thanks again for your work, EP! Appreciate this! Scott S, Minnesota :)
Oh and I must add ~ LOVE the t-set in the background! I am a "retired" music educator who is really getting into photography! We might have some "common ground" here :)!!!!
I 100% disagree on the vari-angle (and I own an EOS R). A lot of people on UA-cam want one because they vlog with their cameras. But for doing photography, the 2 axis (or the 3 way like Fuji) tilt is far better in my opinion - and a lot of professional photographers agree. The flip out is great for vlogging, but it's a lot of wasted motion to untwist the thing to do a quick framing for a live view shot. Also it's a huge PITA if you go from EVF to screen back and forth for shooting. Finally, it's out to the side instead of in line with your subject.
Personal use is always important to consider. I don’t vlog, but I would never buy a camera without a flip out screen, so it’s important that everyone knows their specific needs.
You’re right on point, very nice review! I went the same you as you did with a A73 in 2018 and the EOS R early this year. After using them both intensively for my corporate video work, the codec difference became obvious and then just after I bought my Ninja V... well... I replaced the A73 with an X-T3 😝 I think the Sony is much better for photography than the Canon though, a lot faster and more compact, very good AF for stills. I hope if the A7S3 ever comes, they will put a hdmi 10 bit 422. I’ll be fine just with that over the actual specs of the A73. For the 4k60 FF Sony just sent the message -> buy a $10k FX9, just like Canon -> buy a $15k C500ii (damn I wish I could...).
@The Enthusiasm Project, nice objective review on the eos r. I missed out on the entire 2018 bashing and so far, I only see good reviews of this cam of late. I think that goes for all cam mfg, as they seem to hurry to sell new bodies to please the hungry consumers for newness, and then spend a year or so doing updates. I guess the fear of opportunity cost leads them to chose this problem. I agree with Fred that on A73 performs well in stills, especially when paired with their wide range of lens offerings. Would be nice if you could compare the two for stills only as with video, Sony can’t and seems it doesn’t want to compete in this space, at least in the present moment. For video, if you have the budget, take a look at the Pana S1H. I just bought it and it’s a beast for videos. Or alternatively, if you haven’t looked at the GH5 for lighter and small setup, it also has the high bitrates like Canon so you don’t lose data but it doesn’t have the bit depth as Canon’s 14bit and color. But it compensates with dual ibis if you shoot handheld. It’s not as good in lowlight, but there’s workaround if you use metabones sb + sigma 18-35/1.8. Unlimited recording when I use it for documentary and training projects. The Pana bodies (GH5/GH5S/G9 with latest firmware and S1 series) have great features and the only thing that is stopping them from dominating is their af system. It’s nice to have af when you’re in a one man crew situation or shooting sports or wildlife where your subject is simply not going to stand still for you to get focused. Canon and Sony hands down wins here, even Fuji and Nikon performs well. Am looking at the Canon eos r to possibly replace GH5 and A73 for hybrid use, but I may also wait out for the next version to see if they remove the 4k crop (but that means they need to change the body to handle heat), add 120 or more for slowmo, and add in-body ibis. Canon performs well at af and color and can’t complain about their lens lineup and performance Lastly, including myself, Fuji seems to not get much attention with their XT3 that seems to do well in stills and videos, has high bitrate, good af and colors, and lacking flip screen, ibis, and ff. As a prosumer, I own the GH5, A73, S1H as I am trying to see what works best for my needs and use case and it’s good to have so many options. We shouldn’t bog ourselves down on being brand loyal but rather loyal to our needs, use case, and budget. Not everyone has the same needs, use cases, and budget. And so we just need to know where’s our flexibility to live with the cons as every camera system has it.
You make a lot of really excellent points! Our needs should come before brand loyalty for sure. I always try and look at the big picture for myself. I’ve seen great things from the Fuji, but realistically, I’m not going to change my lenses/batteries/etc to accommodate one good body. I’ve never used Panasonic’s offerings, but I have friends who swear by them. And the results are always very nice. 😎
@The Enthusiasm Project, after this post, I saw the metabones ef to rf 0.71 ultra speedbooster is now available for purchase at $479 + shipping cost, video made by Dave from Kinotika. It solves for most of the 1.74x crop and reduces it down to about 1.23x crop which is manageable but only for video. I have the Sigma 18-35/1.8 for my GH5 + metabones. I think this is pushing me to try the eos r as prices for the bodies has gone down significantly, seeing it for below $1700. What ef or rf lenses do you recommend?
@@nomad0714 yes I saw Dave's video too, I'll probably get this speedbooster, or maybe wait for the Viltrox less expensive copy. Not sure yet, because the 4K crop never bothered me so much, I adjust the focal length to frame as needed usually. But the additional stop of light is great. I also have a M50 with Viltrox speedbooster that I use as a C cam (or travel sometimes) and it works fantastic. Yeah I was thinking about the Sigma as well, but there's no IS. Not a problem on your GH5 with IBIS but you want IS on your lenses with the EOS R. How is the new GH5 autofocus update btw? My favorite lens for videos with the EOS R is the 16-35 f4-L-IS (with EF-RF adapter of course), the IS is really great on this lens and f4 is what I need to keep enough of my subjects in focus. It is literally 90% of the time on my camera, and the switch from 1080 to 4k gives you a 24-70 eq. with the crop, very useful. I will probably buy the expensive RF f2.8 IS version when Canon will release a more advanced version of the EOS R with better 4K specs and 120p. It's coming for sure when you look at their investment in the RF lenses, I will then sell everything else because it will be the undisputed king. I also like the 24-70 f4 IS and the 70-200 f4 IS. they are perfect for video with the IS and smaller than the f2.8 L line and you can get the whole trinity for less than $2,000 on eBay (for the price of just one 2.8 zoom L line). Now with the speedbooster they are f2.8 as well lol. When I need more light I use the Tamron SP35 f1.8 and the SP45 f1.8 both have IS (not as good as Canon L), and the (fantastic) Rokinon AF 14mm f2.8. If you have the money, go with the RF 2.8 IS zooms, they are just out of this world.
Time Markers:
0:00 - Intro to EOS R
0:52 - Video Bitrates
2:22 - Super Awesome LCD Display
3:41 - Battery Life
4:52 - Sensor Cover
6:06 - Lens Options
6:57 - Bonus 1: Touch & Drag Focus
8:02 - Bonus 2: Full Customization
8:47 - Full In-Depth Review
Pro trick : watch movies on Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching lots of of movies during the lockdown.
Man I couldn’t agree more! I loooove the EOS R. I traded in my 5d mk iv for it, which is technically a higher model in the Canon lineup. I couldn’t be happier with my decision. The EOS R is such an underrated camera. I use it almost exclusively now, even more than my 1dx mk ii. I still use the 120d when I want those buttery 120 FPS shots though 😉
Absolutely. I love it more every time I use it. I’m sure you’ve already installed the 1.4 firmware update, but wow, the new eye AF is pretty unreal.
@@tombuck I have not actually. I am going to right not though!! lol
Why am I even watching this canon fan boy?
Because I’m friggin’ awesome.
@@tombuck but you haven't mentioned the lack of in-built body stabilisation in Canon EOS R which forces one to purchase a lens with inbuilt image stabilisation.
Lack of 120 and IBIS are the only negatives for the EOS R.... for that reason, I’m waiting on the next version from Canon.
same exact idea
Lack IBIS is non-issue if you intend to use RF L which have IS - nobody seems to know that RF L lenses with IS have 5 stops of optical stabilisation. A month ago Jared of Ditch Auto, who is a a7iii shooter, did a review of the RF 28 - 70 F2 L (which has no IS) and said the digital IS of the EOS R was giving better results in handheld video than the IBIS of his Sony.
@@JackFN_VR64 I saw that as well actually, since posting my last comment. Here's the issue though, shooting photos without as IS lens... Yes, if you have the new RF lenses with IS then they are awesome. Or if shooting video the digital IS is surprisingly good, even beating out at A7iii with IBIS. But what I want to be able to do is mount a canon EF 24-70 onto a canon mirrorless body that has IBIS, and boom all the shots taken are stabilized. I don't want to have to pay $2,300 for the new RF 24-70 with IS, or heck how awesome would it be to have IBIS for that incredible 28-70 f/2? Canon is just so behind compared to the competition, and for a company as big as they are, they should of had this out sooner. Again though, you're certainly right - with an IS lens or if shooting video with electronic IS you'll be good to go.
Jack dN I work with both the A73 and the EOS R, IBIS in the Sony is totally useless for videos, just terrible, every Sony owner will tell you. IBIS is for stills anyway, digital IS has proven with the GoPro 7 and the Osmo action that it is the future. As you said, the combination of canon IS lenses and the digital IS works incredible on the EOS R, I certainly don’t want a bigger EOS with ibis, but just a next gen digital IS like GoPro and Dji. What Panasonic did on the GH5 and G85 was good only because it’s a tiny sensor. Their recent Full Frame camera’s ibis is just as lame as the A73.
Wesley Chapman yes but the canon r has digital stabilisation I regularly shoot with the rf 50 and the digital stabilisation is unbelievable it’s not far off being on a tripod
Is this MKBHD shirt?
Yup 👍
You gotta stop man. After watching your 6DMII review about a year or so ago I got one. Then after your reviews of the EOSR I ended up getting of those too. Don’t buy anything else or I might buy it too! Cool? Thanks.
(Sidenote: Keep up the great content!)
Don’t watch my MacBook video 😬
Hope you’re enjoying the cameras! I really like using the 6D and R side by side- it’s a great combo.
Sony needs to add these features like flip screen so we can have the specs of a Sony with the reliability and ease of use like a canon
Sony on their way tho better weather sealing, better buttons and better grip we have so far
Yep, every company improves with every camera 😎
i think flip screen was patented by canon, thats why sony can't make similar like canon screen,.
hahahaha, loved the Mavica dig! Great job my man! Also, nice threads!
It's a cool design from a cool channel!
I agree with all of your points, particularly the video bitrates. So many people only look at resolution and ignore the bitrate, not realizing how important it is to the overall quality.
I never paid attention to bitrates before, but I'm glad I started to. Even at 1080p, it's shocking how crisp the image is compared to the 6D II (which I love).
Great points! Yeah, bit rate is super important. Even if you end up with massive files, you get quality. This is just the beginning for Canon. Next cameras will add more awesomeness on top of that.
I’m VERY excited to see where they take the R series. 😎
Nice video, one thing though: Bitrate is 90 Mbps in FullHD (24/25/30p) not 180 Mbps (180 Mbps is in 50p/60p only - twice the 90 Mbps) so campared to 60 Mbps on other cameras it's not 3x but only 1 1/2x (which is impressive anyways). And 480 Mbps in 4K vs. 100 Mbps is great too!
Thanks for the clarification! 👍
I had a C100 Mark II camera, the images it produced was far better than Sony or Canon...the bitrate was so low in comparison. Sometimes higher bitrate doesn´t mean better video quality. The camera brands let them best codec to the high end models. Nice video!
That's true and the C100 is such an outstanding camera. From what I remember even though the C100 is a 1080 camera, it has a 4K sensor, which helps it to create really outstanding image quality.
Not sure how I got here after a year? Nice video, but one point you say that the shutter closes when the lens is taken off? Am I missing something, because I have to turn the Camera off to get the shutter to close???
Yep, sorry if that was unclear- the camera needs to be turned off.
I found your channel from Heather and saw that you subscribed to my channel recently thank you.
I knew you looked familiar and I just remembered you were the assistant teacher to Mr Garcia my senior year in High school and you taught us for a while during 5th period AP 😂 that’s awesome you are a content creator now 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
OH MY GOSH!!! I didn’t realize that was you! I was just happy to see another CV Crestor.
The Enthusiasm Project we definitely should do some kind of project together this summer.
Hey man, please help me to do right decision for video EOS R or 6Dii ? Thanks :)
It depends on your budget. But go for the R if you can swing it.
I enjoy your videos--appreciate your honest reviews that give pros and cons and your enthusiasm feels genuine not over-the-top fake. I went to a store and held both cameras and am torn between them--there's a traditional feel to the 6D that I find nice, but the R has technology that is intriguing, but more $$. Which would you suggest for a hobbyist strictly looking to get back into still photography mainly for fun? I am not going to use video at all but find that most of the reviews cover cameras from the video point of view. thank you.
For photos, I really don’t think you can go wrong with either camera. It probably just comes down to budget and what’s easiest to afford. I mainly focus on video, but both cameras take great photos. The R has a slightly better sensor, better autofocus, and higher burst rate, but the 6D is no slouch. I have many large prints on the walls at home and work from the 6D II and they look stunning.
Here’s my verdict:
-If you can afford it, go for the R
-If you need to save a little money to with the 6D
Either way you’ll be happy. 👍
Love the video and love the shirt
Nice review! Concise, easy to follow. One feature you didn't mention is just the color science on the Canon cams. It's definitely preferable to the greenish hue of the Sony cams.
Yes I agree! Thanks for the kind words. I did touch on Canon colors in my full review of the R- their color science is a HUGE reason why I love them.
The touch and drag is very cool but not totally unique. First time I believe it got used (without the drag focus in video) was the Panasonic G6. I find it one of the most intuitive ways of picking focus and makes the contrast based system in Panasonic cameras quite competitive. Since leaving micro four thirds I do wish Sony would properly introduce it.
@Stefanie Daniella yes touch AF has been around for a long long time but pretty certain the Panasonic G6 was the first where you could look through the EVF and still use the LCD to control the point of focus. Touchscreens sure do help usability such a shame a lot of the Sony's limit their function.
Great video man just upgraded to the EOS R and I'm loving it so far. But that's not the reason for this comment lol i noticed you said that the LCD screen on the A7III was terrible and I have had the chance to use both cameras and I will say that the LCD on the Sony and the movement of it was PERFECT for me. I was shooting live music for a music artist on tour so that screen on the Sony really helped me out a lot while getting those low angle shots. Just my 2 cents. Great video again BTW very informative.
It’s more that I always find myself frustrated and limited when using screens that aren’t fully articulating.
Glad you’re enjoying the R!
I have one and I love it too
1. 4K full sensor readout
2. 4K@60p
3. 1080@120 FPS with dpaf.
When these features are there I’m buying Canon whatever they name it.
Hopefully soon. Jeez, I'd really love all those.
Jhenu yeah you just got it, it’s called Canon C500ii available in November for $15k 😂 or you can also wait for the A7S3 hahaha... oh yeah you got it too it’s the new Sony FX9 for $10k. Hey guys just get back on the ground, this will not happen! Cinema camera with these specs exist already, Sony and Canon won’t give it to you in a $2-3k DSLR body type 😫😝🤗
@@freddumartin7878 I dont have $19K change lying around .... btw i'm not chasing the mythical a7s3 .... probably pickup the next EOS RS or whatever they name it....
Jhenu I don’t have this kind of money as well, nobody has. I was being sarcastic against Canon and Sony. I’ll stick with my EOS R and XT3, they are good for what I do. Btw the XT3 is a smaller Aps-c sensor but it has the specs you you mentioned besides a little 1.1 crop in 4k60. I’m sure The next Canon R series will bring some goodness, they seem to invest a lot in the RF mount. That’s a good sign 😉
Hey Tom and what you doing with your 6dmark2 , because i have both cameras , do you think is better keep the 6dmark2 or sell ??
My wife uses it for her channel at the moment. They’re both great and it’s often useful to have more than one body.
@@tombuck You right i think i will keep it for my vlogs , because i use the camera for photography work and once i bought the Eos R i completely stop using the 6dmark2
Really enjoyed this video, and one other one on the EOS R, very informative and very helpful. You got yourself another subscriber!
Glad you liked them! I’m playing around with the drop in ND filter now, so I’ll likely do a video in that soon 👍
im a canon eosr user,but A73 screen has its advantages.. a73 doesnt need to moved sideways just to see the screen from top/bottom,which the eosr cant do.... and if we do turn the eosr screen up/down,it would not be aligned with the camera... so both has its advantages.
Just as a side note: Canon dslrs such as 6d and 5d also have the same exact sensor cover behind the mirror. You can see it if you flip the mirror with your finger.
I've had my R for a few weeks now.
Interesting video but I have a couple of comments.
1/ The ability to use EF lenses is hardly "underrated." Likely MOST people who buy this camera choose it for this very reason? It was "reason numero uno" for me!
2/ Touch and drag is not working well for me. Maybe I'll "get the hang" of it with time but right now, I hate it! Just not working well for me at all. I've lived with "focus and recompose" so long, that it's second nature and I may never change to any other way of focusing.
3/ So much of the criticism of this camera comes from vloggers and sports shooters. That's fine. I understand their needs are not well-met with The R. But, I am neither and the R suits me pretty well . . . and takes all my EF L lenses! When Canon introduces a mirrorless with IBIS, I may well be a customer!
So, for me . . .
4K Crop? Couldn't care less!
Slow frame rate? Not so good but not a deal breaker.
Lack of IBIS? A real bummer!
I am still envious of the Sonys, but, if I am patient for just a while longer, I feel Canon WILL have a mirrorless with IBIS and a faster frame rate.
Thanks for taking the time to share your points! I don’t know if you saw anything about Canon’s fiscal report that just came out, but it talked a lot about the mirror less market.
They said the R and RP didn’t sell as well as they hoped, but they’re going to keep pushing them and they’re aware of what new cameras need to offer. So it should be interesting to see what they release next.
The Enthusiasm Project the EOS R was a beta test for market research driving their first full frame design. The hidden secret is the RF mount. Trust me.....Canon has a bazooka in the works.
Careful with 3rd party lenses, as not all the lenses work! Some issues reported with Sigma/Tamron lenses already, prob due to firmware on those...check before buying :).
Good vid! :)
Thanks Guillermo! Fortunately I’ve had good luck with Sigma lenses so far 👍
Me too! 👍
Thanks for review!
My favourite feature of EOS R is an incredible manual focus assistance. Besides being super precise and reliable it also provides an eye focus but manually. I was so impressed, that now almost completely switched from AF lenses to manual. Incredible!
Really?! I haven’t played with this much yet...
@@tombuck Well in video mode only with face detection and in stills mode it supports eye detection. So camera recognise it an "put a box indicator" on a face/eye then you just need to throw focus ring until two arrows meet together on your screen or evf (manual focus assistance). Cool and reliable. And it works with Zeiss/Voigtlànder lenses beautifuly
Ahh, gotcha! I’ve been using the focus arrows for video and that feature alone is awesome.
I just love the R & gives superb quality shots. Build quality is excellent, handling is great, & battery life is superb, which is great for my travel photography -so far I have never had to use my spare battery. It falls short when I do birds -in -flight shots as the autofocus hunts a lot with long lenses, but my trusty 7DII takes over for that application. I'd recommend the R for anyone doing landscape, portrait, or macro photography.
Dude. Great breakdown on this camera. Super helpful. Earned a sub from me. To be honest, it’s not so much because of the video. You had me at your channel name. Nice done, man!
Thanks Kevin! I tried to think of something clever to say, but I couldn’t. Suffice it to say, I’m grateful for the kind words.
I am a canon user, no matter how good Sony cameras are I will think of switching to Sony only if they make fully articulated LCD screen. Sony should realise and understand how important that is.
I agree 100%
Depends on who uses it maybe? I am an owner of EOS R too. Love the camera but i wish it is a tilt screen. I love canon colours and lens lineup. I shoot landscape and always use the L plate all time. The side plate gets in the way of the articulating screen as a result i could not use it at all for tilting while shooting low angle.
I have two Rs for multicam shooting. I love them. Incredible value, especially second hand.
I also love Cannon camara
And one thing you are awesome 😍😍😘
No, you're awesome!
@@tombuck 🤩😍😘 #support
Nice one! Late to the party, but I’ve just received my EOS R yesterday. It’s a great camera. I find it hard to understand the negativity around this cam. There’ll always be people whining about the 4K crop factor, lack of 120FPS in 1080 etc etc. Good to hear your enthusiasm about it, there’s plenty to be enthusiastic about. Greetings from England.
Congrats on the new camera! I like mine more and more every time I use it 👍
Can’t wait to get one of these. Great job! If I may say, your endings are a little abrupt. Almost like walking away from a conversation without saying, “see you later,” or even, “bye!” 😂
I used to do more traditional endings, but then I noticed people stopped watching as soon as the closing started. 🤷🏻♂️
The Enthusiasm Project interesting. I hope you didn’t my comment as criticism. Love your content.
A final Magic Lantern port will really make the EOR R shine.
why is this camera so hard to focus subjects that are moving somewhat quickly towards you?????? servo, tracking or zone just don't keep up. Can you do a tutorial vid?
I’ve had pretty good luck, especially after the 1.4 firmware update (I do have a video about that).
You're right ... But what if... "R" had a new sensor instead of one that was criticized already when 5DMark IV came ... And image stabilization in the camera ... and two memory cards ... This was expected things so all criticism was quite right.
It feels like Canon thinks they shouldn't see what others are giving or doing.
But hopefully they have learned from the massive criticism they received.
And if they don't, they will gladly, for my part, shut down the camera manufacturing .... and I am currently using Canon.
And I still waiting for the "real one" ;)
I have faith in Canon, and I’m glad there are companies like Sony who increase demand for new features. 👍
Great video, man, and you do a great job of presenting. You’ve almost convinced me to get the R.
I should work for canon 😬
For EF mount, the camera instructions told me, it will close the sensor cover automatically when you turn the camera off. But what I found really annoyed, the Eos R not allow me to switch quickly in video mode ( c- log, 120fps or taking picture while filming ). I hopw they could put some update features in future driver!
I’m getting used to switching between photo/video modes, but it still feels a bit clunky. 😕
I adore my fully variable EOS R screen and wouldn't want anything different, but I understand the purpose of the Sony fold out screen from another UA-camr… A lot of people prefer these cameras for filmmaking, and while a flip out screen like the R is ideal for vlogging, when you are shooting a scene from behind the camera, the Sony design keeps the screen completely center with the camera you are holding. It creates a better hand-eye coordination and more stable camera hold while still allowing you to hold the camera low or high and still see the screen. It's all about having the right tool for the job. It's not for me, but I respect it's perfect for certain other types of camera users.
This is probably the best perspective to have. The right tool for one person may not be for another. I’ve borrowed the A7III again for about a month specifically to try and get a better understanding of its strengths- not how it compares to anything else, but how it stands on its own. While I haven’t gotten used to the screen, I can definitely appreciate that it’s an awesome camera.
Great video! You made some solid points.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Wow that sensor cover is a really big deal! Honestly. I actually shot with a panasonic S1 during a wedding and i switched lenses in the middle. A spec of dust went into my sensor and It was very noticeable in my shot! Fortunately enough I was able to fix it with after effects content aware fill. but man I wish i had that sensor cover during my shoot!
I know! It’s really saved me a few times. I wish more cameras had that feature.
I agree with your thoughts on Canon, and would extend that to Olympus. Both companies are routinely dissed on the web, and yet both make exceptionally reliable and sensible cameras and lenses. I maintain an EOS R and an E-M1 system. I use them both interchangeably, and love what each has to offer.
Sensible is a good way to put it 👍
I really love your colour grading. Very "APPLESC". Lots of quality...😉😉😉😉
Do you have luts for sale or some tutorials to help nubes like myself?
Hey Elias, thanks for the kind words! I don't have anything for sale, the colors are actually just Canon colors straight out of the camera. I have a list of some videos geared specifically towards video production: ua-cam.com/play/PLVyN9Er-Mwb5movnti_IAvRoDdXUCBhsj.html
If you have any specific questions, just let me know.
Great video! Love my EOS R!
Love the touch and drag. But I think it would be awesome to have an option to let the camera acquire focus as soon as you lift of the finger from the screen after selecting the focus point. Another interesting option could be touch and drag on a smaller area, such as “thirds”, since its a smaller area, it would probably “roll” faster through focus points and also not get too close to your face while looking in the EVF. Finally, it would probably make the absolute position option of touch and drag more usable and maybe even faster than relative if you take the time to get used to it (like using a Wacom).
Actually there is a lot that can be done in a touch display that size. I just wonder how much of my battery is draining out because of it.
I’ve never considered how it might affect battery life. Interesting. Great ideas for improvements though!
Nice shirt
What are your export settings? I judge video quality on how the lower resolutions look on UA-cam. Yours looks great! Would love to know more!
This video was regular 1080p at H.264 from Final cut. Since then, I’ve switched to 3840x1920 using H.264. 👍
@@tombuck thank you!
Liked, sub'd, rang the bell! Awesome review.
The bell?! Nice 😎
wow, nice points.
This is such a great looking vdo. Killed it!
😎😬👍
loving the lighting you've got set up on these videos! those background LEDs add that extra pop!
Thanks! I really like them too. Had to avoid using them too much with b roll because they flicker, but turns out they’re fine with 1/100 shutter speed 👍
@@tombuck Awesome, glad you found a shutter speed that works well for ya!
Most perfect description text. Thanks.
You’re welcome!
Great video but i really liked the mkbhd merch
😎😉
Unfortunately, 400 Mbps is not any better than Sony's 100, since both are only 8 bits bit depth. And that 400 is only the heavily cropped 4K. The Sony bitrate for HD video especially 120 is higher.
While the 480Mbps bitrate is only available in 4K, the HD bitrate is 180. And there’s an option for 10 bit using an external recorder.
@@tombuck Yes, you are totally right, my mistake. Still, as an owner of EOS R and A7III, I can agree with other reviewers that the high 480Mbps gives zero advantage for the 4K image quality, the Sony 6K-to-4K downsampled image is cleaner than the direct 1.8x 4K sensor crop of the EOS R. Another bummer with the EOS R is its no-autofocus 120fps, it supports only 720p with a nice-on-paper-only 160Mbps, while the A7III's 1080p120fps at only 100Mbps is a lot cleaner video image with full tracking AF. Canon has a long road to go to catch up the competitors in this arena, honestly. Even when you compare it to the 10-bit recording competitors like Sigma fp, Panasonic S1, S1H, Nikon Z6. All of these cameras use the same Sony 6K-to-4K downsampling sensor, the Panasonic and Sigma without the PDAF layer. Sony A7III has low bit rate and bit depth, but the others work with full gear. How EOS R can compete all of these beasts?
I forgot that Sony downsamples 6K- that is pretty awesome. I’m currently borrowing an A7III just to see all the good things about it, and this definitely goes in the list.
Ok now you got GH4 cool Things. Great.
Still using the R- bought a second one, in fact.
@@tombuck yes, is a good camera, is just that Canon only give this things years later and still charge a lot more. So when you talk so well about the company... it feels wrong.
Great Video, Enthusiasm Project! I am saving my "jing" for a Canon EOS R. I'm "sold" already! Your video just runs it even deeper for me. I love your details and examples. This was a helpful set of info for me, and I plan to view your overall review on the R as well. As the owner of a Canon 6D right now, I can't imagine the upgrades that are going to happen when I purchase this "beast." And I believe you're right. Bashers tend to be people stuck on a spec or two, rather than real users of the camera. My 6D has done wonders for me, and will still be a decent back-up camera when I get the R. But the level of choices, the IQ, the focal points, the lens options ~ are all amazing. Thanks again for your work, EP! Appreciate this! Scott S, Minnesota :)
Oh and I must add ~ LOVE the t-set in the background! I am a "retired" music educator who is really getting into photography! We might have some "common ground" here :)!!!!
I 100% disagree on the vari-angle (and I own an EOS R). A lot of people on UA-cam want one because they vlog with their cameras. But for doing photography, the 2 axis (or the 3 way like Fuji) tilt is far better in my opinion - and a lot of professional photographers agree. The flip out is great for vlogging, but it's a lot of wasted motion to untwist the thing to do a quick framing for a live view shot. Also it's a huge PITA if you go from EVF to screen back and forth for shooting. Finally, it's out to the side instead of in line with your subject.
Personal use is always important to consider. I don’t vlog, but I would never buy a camera without a flip out screen, so it’s important that everyone knows their specific needs.
@@tombuck They should make a variable angle version as well as a flip out lcd to satisfy all of the customers.
You’re right on point, very nice review! I went the same you as you did with a A73 in 2018 and the EOS R early this year. After using them both intensively for my corporate video work, the codec difference became obvious and then just after I bought my Ninja V... well... I replaced the A73 with an X-T3 😝 I think the Sony is much better for photography than the Canon though, a lot faster and more compact, very good AF for stills. I hope if the A7S3 ever comes, they will put a hdmi 10 bit 422. I’ll be fine just with that over the actual specs of the A73. For the 4k60 FF Sony just sent the message -> buy a $10k FX9, just like Canon -> buy a $15k C500ii (damn I wish I could...).
I wish I could too! I haven’t used the A7III for still photos too much, but now you’ve got me interested in seeing how it compares.
@The Enthusiasm Project, nice objective review on the eos r. I missed out on the entire 2018 bashing and so far, I only see good reviews of this cam of late. I think that goes for all cam mfg, as they seem to hurry to sell new bodies to please the hungry consumers for newness, and then spend a year or so doing updates. I guess the fear of opportunity cost leads them to chose this problem.
I agree with Fred that on A73 performs well in stills, especially when paired with their wide range of lens offerings.
Would be nice if you could compare the two for stills only as with video, Sony can’t and seems it doesn’t want to compete in this space, at least in the present moment.
For video, if you have the budget, take a look at the Pana S1H. I just bought it and it’s a beast for videos.
Or alternatively, if you haven’t looked at the GH5 for lighter and small setup, it also has the high bitrates like Canon so you don’t lose data but it doesn’t have the bit depth as Canon’s 14bit and color. But it compensates with dual ibis if you shoot handheld. It’s not as good in lowlight, but there’s workaround if you use metabones sb + sigma 18-35/1.8. Unlimited recording when I use it for documentary and training projects.
The Pana bodies (GH5/GH5S/G9 with latest firmware and S1 series) have great features and the only thing that is stopping them from dominating is their af system. It’s nice to have af when you’re in a one man crew situation or shooting sports or wildlife where your subject is simply not going to stand still for you to get focused. Canon and Sony hands down wins here, even Fuji and Nikon performs well.
Am looking at the Canon eos r to possibly replace GH5 and A73 for hybrid use, but I may also wait out for the next version to see if they remove the 4k crop (but that means they need to change the body to handle heat), add 120 or more for slowmo, and add in-body ibis. Canon performs well at af and color and can’t complain about their lens lineup and performance
Lastly, including myself, Fuji seems to not get much attention with their XT3 that seems to do well in stills and videos, has high bitrate, good af and colors, and lacking flip screen, ibis, and ff.
As a prosumer, I own the GH5, A73, S1H as I am trying to see what works best for my needs and use case and it’s good to have so many options. We shouldn’t bog ourselves down on being brand loyal but rather loyal to our needs, use case, and budget. Not everyone has the same needs, use cases, and budget. And so we just need to know where’s our flexibility to live with the cons as every camera system has it.
You make a lot of really excellent points! Our needs should come before brand loyalty for sure. I always try and look at the big picture for myself. I’ve seen great things from the Fuji, but realistically, I’m not going to change my lenses/batteries/etc to accommodate one good body.
I’ve never used Panasonic’s offerings, but I have friends who swear by them. And the results are always very nice. 😎
@The Enthusiasm Project, after this post, I saw the metabones ef to rf 0.71 ultra speedbooster is now available for purchase at $479 + shipping cost, video made by Dave from Kinotika.
It solves for most of the 1.74x crop and reduces it down to about 1.23x crop which is manageable but only for video. I have the Sigma 18-35/1.8 for my GH5 + metabones.
I think this is pushing me to try the eos r as prices for the bodies has gone down significantly, seeing it for below $1700.
What ef or rf lenses do you recommend?
@@nomad0714 yes I saw Dave's video too, I'll probably get this speedbooster, or maybe wait for the Viltrox less expensive copy. Not sure yet, because the 4K crop never bothered me so much, I adjust the focal length to frame as needed usually. But the additional stop of light is great. I also have a M50 with Viltrox speedbooster that I use as a C cam (or travel sometimes) and it works fantastic.
Yeah I was thinking about the Sigma as well, but there's no IS. Not a problem on your GH5 with IBIS but you want IS on your lenses with the EOS R. How is the new GH5 autofocus update btw?
My favorite lens for videos with the EOS R is the 16-35 f4-L-IS (with EF-RF adapter of course), the IS is really great on this lens and f4 is what I need to keep enough of my subjects in focus. It is literally 90% of the time on my camera, and the switch from 1080 to 4k gives you a 24-70 eq. with the crop, very useful. I will probably buy the expensive RF f2.8 IS version when Canon will release a more advanced version of the EOS R with better 4K specs and 120p. It's coming for sure when you look at their investment in the RF lenses, I will then sell everything else because it will be the undisputed king.
I also like the 24-70 f4 IS and the 70-200 f4 IS. they are perfect for video with the IS and smaller than the f2.8 L line and you can get the whole trinity for less than $2,000 on eBay (for the price of just one 2.8 zoom L line). Now with the speedbooster they are f2.8 as well lol. When I need more light I use the Tamron SP35 f1.8 and the SP45 f1.8 both have IS (not as good as Canon L), and the (fantastic) Rokinon AF 14mm f2.8.
If you have the money, go with the RF 2.8 IS zooms, they are just out of this world.
Great review. Thank you Sir!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and leave a few kind words!
Have u fall in luv with firmware 1.4?
So far so good! I installed it yesterday and used it for a video. The improved eye AF is VERY impressive. Looking forward to using it more!