I upgraded to an Canon EOS RP from a 200D/SL2 and I'm really loving the versatility of the RP, I've got lots of EF-S lenses that I still happily use with the RP for stills & video. One thing I like about the RP is the ability to switch to a 1.6x crop in body, I've just ordered an EF 24-105 F4 knowing that I can extend the focal length to nearly 170MM by applying the crop in body 👍
@@zainmohamed7014 yes they do, however the EOS RP will switch the sensor into APS-C mode, which means you’ll be shooting onto a cropped sensor as opposed to the full frame sensor
Tony, you've hit a home run here. I used to think I was an outcast just because I used EF-S lenses on my EOS R while pretty much everyone else was using all those mega-expensive RF glass. I did give in and bought an RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, but that's the only RF lens I'm using with my R. All the rest are EF-S lenses which include the following-EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM, EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM, EF-S 18-55mm f/4-5.6 IS STM, and the excellent EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM. I'm not a pixel peeper and neither do I blow my pictures to poster size, so I'm really happy with my EF-S lenses. As you mentioned in the video, they are so much lighter than the RF lenses and I'm thankful for it (my 50-something body can only withstand lugging around so much weight). Plus they are much cheaper too, and with good quality to boot. Thanks for your excellent video. I really appreciate it!
Philip Yeoh Thanks so much! I used to have that little pancake but traded for something... can’t remember what though ha. I’ve been eyeing that RF 24-105 too..
Great thing about Sony it's that Sony don't force you to crop mode when you install an APSC lens on full frame camera. You can choose crop or full frame mode. So, you can film or shoot with the vignette and then crop for stabilization or composition in post. It's a shame Canon (or Nikon) forces to crop mode when installing an APSC lens on full frame cameras
I have the Canon RP and to keep a low profile I use a pancake 24mm EF-S with the adapter. It produces about a 38mm focal length, which is a nice look. Plus, the setup is very light weight. Great video!
That is a great setup! Can you shoot in 60fps with the efs on the RP? I feel like that was a restriction with the EOS r, can’t remember if it was just that camera. For photo, that’s an incredible lightweight setup
Just get the 40mm EF version. They’re the same price. EFS lenses on canons FF mirrorless have an auto crop mode and ur limited to shooting 10mp raw’s. Only EF lenses take advantage of the whole image sensor
There is one thing no one mentioned, that EOS RP with EF-S will not record FullHD: such an option disappears from EOS RP features when an EF-S lens is mounted. Only 4K or HD options are available. Don't know how about EOS R in such a case and would be worthy to find out.
Hi Tony. Great video! I've been using the wonderful EF-S 35/2.8 macro on my R and it gives me a 56mm reach to complement the RF35mm. One suggestion for future videos--try to add more visual interest in the first 12 minutes apart from the flash screens showing each pro and con of the EF-S lenses. For example, at 5:40 you state "I'be gotten some great photos from this tiny, small lenses". It would be great if you could then cut to show some of these photos or even a shot of the camera with one or two of these "small" lenses attached. Just a bit of feedback for the next video. All the best.
I have this lens being delivered tomorrow. Very excited to use it on my RP. I have the EF 24-105L II and 100-400L II and I tend to grab my smaller 24mm ef-s for general fun shooting around the house. I've gotten many tack sharp images with the little 24. I have no doubt the 35 macro will be just as good. I print my own 13x19" images, everyone loves them. Now that I put the control ring adapter on this camera, game changer! I shoot photos, not video. @$1k, the full frame mirrorless RP is the best value around. Thanks for the vid Tony, enjoyed it bud.
Tony is it works the same today? What about EF-S 10-18mm on R6 today, is it will crop and no 60p ? Your thoughts about it please... because i want to order it))) and now watched this vid, already a year, maybe some firmwares from canon took place? And what about autofocus? Thank you in advance
@@bikash3003 Tony answered under another video, and answer is - Yes, it will work just fine at 4k, he is admitted that glass itself is a bit old, and not as sharp, but many people can't even mention this. So it's ok
You can use EF-s lenses with the R5 and R6 with 4k60! They fixed a lot of the things I didn’t like on the R. AF works well, the image just isn’t as sharp for photos, video looks excellent beside the difference in lower quality of glass
@@TonyMellinger it's fun but I was disappointed with the photo quality on the t6, I feel that the rebel xs had better photos than the newer t6, I bought a new lens to see if it's the lenses that come with the kit but still not the case. I also bought it for video but again it's really limited in that department, the live focus doesn't work if I'm not pressing the button, even then it's too slow for what it's for. I'm looking to graduate to full frame, but the 6d and the EOS R are the less expensive options at the moment. The problem is that I don't want to be behind with a dinosaur in specs. And these things are expensive...
Thank you for this video, this answered my questions and kept me in the canon family of products to keep my old EF lenses instead of jumping to sony. 90D just wasn't hitting the marks I wanted it to hit.
I don't shoot a ton of video but when I do the ability to throw my old EFS 10-22 on my R is nice when I'm using a gimbal and shooting 4k for real estate walk-throughs. The lack of 60fps in this mode, even in 1080p is infuriating.
When you do your talking don't suddenly blast out the music, there is no need for that. ppl with headphones mostly watch YT so you are deafening them Thanks for your very quick response. now I can listen with ease😊
I just realized why my pictures on my Eos RP were coming out 10mp. It was the dam 18-55mm EF kit lens I was using on it and in video I couldn't shoot 4k nor 60fps which I couldn't figure out why. Now I know. Good thing I have ultra sonic 50mm that allows full features out of the canon RP.
Some of the limitations you mention for EF-S lenses do not occur with third party crop lenses. I have a Tokina 12-24 which covers full frame from 18-24 and allows vignetted shooting wider which you can crop square as needed. Some of the third party lenses are not all that bad and might already be owned by those upgrading from a Rebel level Canon. Another trick is most lenses cover a larger field when shooting macro so a crop intended macro will fill full frame at some close distance. Again you may not be getting L level glass but there can be an upgrade from full frame that is not covered ion lines per millimeter. Your video mentioned that not everyone is a pro and needs multi-thousand dollar glass. I use an RP and glass that was OK ten years ago. My pictures may not be native R mount quality but they are better than they were when new.
Remember that you still have 60fps in 720p. I know it's not the best thing in 2020, but somethings I mix 720p60fps footage for slowmotion on my films, even for clients when using the 10-18mm and until now nobody has complained. The delivery is Instagram and Facebook, so it's plenty of resolution, but yes, I wish they enabled the 60fps in 1080p mode. I hope the Canon R5 doesn't have this stupid limitation.
That is a good point! And I agree w you 720 is perfectly fine for social media. The 120 is a little soft in 120, I’m not sure if you can use that with a ef-s lens. I don’t know if I’ve ever tried.
Great video, still can't believe you live 15 mins from me. I was a Sony fan boy untill 2 weeks ago. Left my r4 and all gm glass for all RF glass with the eosR.
Omg man, you are the first who sayd there is no 60fps with apsc lenses. This make me to not buy the eos r what I had in plan next 2 weeks... So sad... I have good glass like sigma art 18-35 and sigma art 50-100 and also a canon 10-18mm what makes the full filmmaking package... My goodness canon... Thanks for saying that, subscribed for this!
Ya, it’s a bummer, it’s a great camera, it would be really nice if they had a firmware update that would unlock 60fps, idk if it will happen though. I’m a huge fan of the 10-18! Great lens for the price! Thanks for the sub!
I may have missed the comments or anything mentioned about EF-S mount for these APSC lenses. May I ask about which particular mount will be used for the EF-S? Is the same as EF-Mount?
Thanks for the review I’m seriously thinking about upgrading my gear to a full frame camera bc of the horrible noise I get when I shoot during the blue hour. And related to that: how does the camera handles noise when you take pics w an EF-S lens? Is it as bad as with my 70D or the only thing affected is the resolution of the image? Thanks
juan carlos Rodriguez I haven’t noticed any noise difference with the ef-s glass. I do know the more expensive glass does handle noise better than some of the budget lenses st the same iso but that’s understandable with the higher end glass. Still better than the noise I was getting with my 80D though!
Hello sir, I know this video is kinda old now, but I think it's still relevant and I have a question, I am thinking of getting the EOS R now second hand to upgrade my m50, and I also still have a lot of EF-S glass from the m50 that I would like to keep using on the EOS R, but I have a problem shooting video, I got the RP just now for a test run, and I don't think I am keeping it, there is no 1080p AT ALL when I put on the EF-S glass!!! Not only 60p is missing, all of it!!! You can only shoot 720 or 4k. What kind of a sick joke is that!!! So my question is do you still get to shoot 24 25 and 30p 1080p on the EOS R with the EF-S glass? Thanks!!
Great video man! Very helpful since im about to buy a EF-S 17-85mm for my EOS R . I just wanted to be able to have a nice cheap zoom lens for quick shoots.
Well I don't have rf lenses but im using ef lenses with adopter on my canon eos r. There is manu in the setting to enable 24fps and that apply for all the video setting when enable. And yes no 60fps it shows only 50fps when 24fps disabled
Thanks...I’m in a similar situation. Work has asked me to do some videos for them and I’ve since upgraded from 70D to eos R. Of course I have quite the collection of EF lenses...thanks for the video and I did subscribe!
I don't consider the C200 a "crop sensor" camera because Super 35 mm is the historic standard for motion picture film cameras. So-called "full-frame video" is really a medium format film camera. Super 35 is absolutely fine for video.
@@TonyMellinger - Tony, my attitude is this: If I have a camera in my hand that is the optical equivalent of anything that Hitchcock, or Chaplin, or Wyler used in their productions, its a pretty good camera. Go beyond that, and you're talking David Lean shooting "Lawrence of Arabia," and if that's your goal, get anamorphic lenses. I'd sooner have an anamorphic lens than a larger sensor. That said, I don't think I'll put my 18-55 mm EF-S zoom on my EOS R -- I'll wait and get an image-stabilized EF-mount zoom lens, first. Like you, I have the Canon T6i for still photography. I bought the EOS R as my B Camera for video.
@@TonyMellinger - There is that Sigma fP cinema camera, which -- unlike comparable Blackmagic cameras -- is full-frame. However, to me, the lack of image stabilization is a deal-breaker. One wants a little flexibility with your equipment.
Great info. Came across this video trying to find out, why my EOS R disables FHDp60. While I'm using EF lenses, it turns out, that the Metabones Speedbooster, that I use to bring the 4k crop down to 1.2 probably negotiates exactly the same as EF-S lenses with the EOS R.
Wow! That’s a little crazy. So it was reading a speed booster as a crop sensor. It took me awhile to figure out the EOS R didn’t have 60fps with ef-s and I was pretty disappointed
@@TonyMellinger It's not really an issue, if one also has the EF lenses. As FHD isn't cropped in the first place. I only have EF lenses as I came from the 5D Mk3 to the EOS R, but I think I need to nick some of the EF-S lenses of my other half for a bit more testing. She might get unhappy though :p
@@TonyMellinger I've done some tests today and put my findings in a video. Unfortunately, the EFS lenses don't reduce the crop very much. The Metabones speedbooster actually gives much more use of the EOS R / EOS RP sensor. But you do gain a little. So if you have EFS lenses, there are some advantages.
I have an 80d and an R. Will I get better quality on the 80d than using crop mode on the R with the efs lenses? I have a Sigma 18-35 I would like to use.
That’s a great question! I think the 80D would actually get you better images. You’ll have higher megapixel images on the 80D. The EOS R is still totally capable of using the 18-35, but the 80D is such an awesome camera mixed with the cropping of the sensor of the eos r, I’d choose the 80D
I use a Canon SL2, a Canon 7Dmk2 and the Canon 5Dmk1 (though folks get upset when I refer to the 5D as such!). I have been lusting over the EOS R & RP. Your EOS R vids are very informative and helpful. Please keep the insights rolling. I have just subscribed so I can now share that I am an appreciative subscriber. Two quick questions based on some other of your vids: Much of the footage is 1080p. Do you ever shoot 4k and if so, when? Lastly, you mention that under WB you color shift +2 Blue. Do you do that with all your Canon footage? Stills and/or video? Thumbs up.
Thanks so much for the support! Really appreciate it! By the way, HUGE fan of the sl2 and I’ve talked dozens of people into that camera. It’s incredibly solid for the price point. As far as your questions, I pretty much always shoot in 1080 unless i need the extra reach. The quality of the 1080 is so good, I’ve actually been upscaling to 4K and it still looks great. The 4K is great too, i just really love the look of the 1080 and like the ability to shoot in 60fps. The color shifting is applied to both photo and video all across the board with my DSLR/mirrorless cameras. When shooting photos though, i shoot in RAW so that’s not a variable when editing. It’s the first setting i change when i buy a camera, ha!
Great video! I was looking for a video exactly like this, did you get a chance to compare pictures from a crop sensor camera to the R in crop mode? I know you access less megapixels but is the quality of the picture really different? How about cropping a picture taken in crop mode in the R? For example shooting wildlife so you use crop mode to get the extra reach, are those pictures crop able or is the resolution not high enough?
The quality is still like 14MP so you have plenty of room to crop. I did notice a small amount of quality difference but it’s still absolutely useable. I went on a safari and Tanzania and used this technique. Worked well for reaching with a 70-200 with an extender.
I did a comparison with my M50 and my Canon R6. Without zooming to the smallest object, I didn’t see that much diifference. Only when I zoomed in to a cup was where I noticed the 20 MP Canon M50 had more detail than the Canon R6 full frame using the crop lens and made the pic 8 MP.
you also loose dual pixel focus, and the 24mm pancake doesnt have IS. You also have a lot more noise in dark areas of the picture. Picture is no where near as sharp as the RF lens.
I am using the control ring adaptor. I’d say the autofocus works just as well as it does on an ef-s camera... if not better. The AF is incredible on these new R series cameras
Hey Tony, I am glad that I am here. Looking for the first same information. Just sold my SL3 with kit lense but still left with 10-18 and I am so curious how it will behave on my R6 mark ii (sounds illogical 😅) it's a huge jump I know but I am sure that I can not be with that for 2-3 years as I am a hobbyist not a professional and don't have money to buy invest on high-end RF gear as of now. Thanks for all your advise and inputs. 👍
The 10-18 is a great lens. I think it will behave similarly to how it did on your sl3 with the RF/ef adapter. You could also look into the RF16mm as a replacement if you want to move toward RF glass
I'm watching and waiting to the part where, I'm guessing, you talk about vignetting.... /Wait, farthest reach on a full frame sensor? By setting the cam (R) to do a crop of the sensor?
Hi Tony, nice channel! I have been working with R from mid 2019, and biggest drawback for me is lack 50/60p in EFS and crop mode! Don't care about 4K at all. Nice to know I'm not the only one :D Want to use my primes for native and longer (1.6) reach, but then lose high fps :(
@@TonyMellinger actually, I use 4k when filming. Only because its easier and faster to change resolution than go into crop mode trough menues. I use it to get longer reach if needed. But still lose high fps :(
Hi Tony, i am looking to buy a wide angle lens for my eos R and i need it to be light weight so i can make it the same weight as my prime full frame lenses for quick lense swaps on my weebill s without rebalancing it... so i guess my 2 fav options are the ef 17-40 f4 or that canon efs 10-18 is or sigma 18-35 f1.8 or canon efs17-55 f2.8... what do you think is my best option? And why? Thanks
Which lens is your prime full frame lens? That may determine which is the best wide angle lens. The 10-18 and 17-55 are going to be lighter, but come with some limitations so I’d probably suggest the 17-40 for maximum capability. Since you want to balance it on a gimbal anyways, I wouldn’t worry too much about the no IS. I’ve heard good things about the sigma as well, but I’ve never used it. My buddy did have focusing trouble with it though. I suppose I’d suggest the 17-40, and I’m guessing that’ll be the closest weight to a full frame prime for balancing purposes...
I was thinking of using my EFS 60mm f2.8 to do macro shots on the EOS R. Not a good idea if the resolution drops from 30MP to 11MP. I'm just gonna keep using my 450D at 10MP for (theoretically) similar results.
Yea… i wasn’t a huge fan of the R with EFS lenses, the crop is actually much better on the R5 and R6 though, I’m not sure what the difference is. The images are much less soft.
@@TonyMellinger Good to know it's better on the R5 and R6. However these two awesome cameras are a bit too expensive for me. I'm an amateur that likes to test the limits of the equipment and lenses that I have, so I'll stick to my 450D for now and perhaps move to the EOS RP in the near future. Not the greatest camera, but still way better than my ASP-C, and it's a full frame!
I’ve got an R6 but I’m young. I’m in college and only 19 so RF lenses are way out of my price range. At least for now. I’m saving my money to get a 70-200 but other than that I have the 24-105 KIT lens and a 50mm 1.8 EF.
I just buy efs 24 f2.8 pancake with eos 90d for my part-time youtube. Nice to hear that efs lens with EOS R, but it loses image quality. May be no someone buy high price full frame and use cheap glass on APS-C。Just a joke!
so I have EOS R and R6 and I have tons of EF - S lenses from my 500D and 70D bodies. I do have an adapter, can I use my EF-S lenses with my EOSR and R6 Body with the adapter?
Hey. Anyone know how the following lenses will do with the R? Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM Canon EF 50mm f/ 1.8 stm lens e Canon EFS 24mm f/ 2.8 stm Thx!!
What do u prefer for photography ,the eos r or mark iv ? Also I was thinking about grabbing one of the two and grabbing a 24-70mm efs 2.8 lens because it seems the most versatile for photography, wat do u think?
@@TonyMellinger I suppose what I am asking is, will it still have the same quality, in the crop, as the full fame? I have read that the crop in photos is lesser pixels. Rather than 20MP you get let's say approx 12MP in photo mode. How does this translate to video?
The main reason Canon is crippling video features is because a video-centric mirrorless would compete with their C lineup and DSLRs. Nobody cares about SONY DSLRs so they pack premium features in their mirrorless cameras and focus on them, while majority of Canon's income is still from DSLRs.
Question: I'm planning on taking my EOS R on holiday with me for video, and I only have EF-S lenses, so should I use my 200D for taking pictures instead of the EOS R? like will the pictures I take on my 200D be better pictures than my EOS R, because of the crop sensor lenses? Sorry I didn't clarify. I don't have both cameras yet. I suppose I could just test when I have both cameras, but I was thinking when I buy the EOS R should I buy an RF lens or whatever. As I don't have the money, to buy both new, so I was wondering if it's better buying a pre owned EOS R with an RF lens rather than buy a new EOS R with just an adapter so I can just use my EF-S lenses. I mean if my 200D will do a good job of taking stills then I think I could just buy the new EOS R for video, and use my 200D for stills, but if the still images would be much better on the EOS R with an RF lens, then I think maybe I should buy Pre owned. So I guess I'm asking your advice on what I should do. Either buy a new EOS R and use my 200D for stills, or buy a pre owned EOS R with an RF lens?
The 200D is a great camera, but what if you bought an EOS R and sold the 200D? I guess it all depends on what type of photos you want to take, the EOS R is all around a much better camera, even with the limitations of the crop on the EF-S lenses. If I were you I wouldn’t take two cameras if I didn’t need to and get by with just the EOS R. The RF glass is really expensive still, except for the 35mm f1.8 and 24-105mm which are both great lenses. The other option would be to buy some EF glass for your 200D and just use that for awhile. I honestly think no matter which way you go, you can get by though!
Right away Im watching and listening to something that sounds VERY familiar..as i look at my 800d/t7i.. with my 10-22 efs (combo with the 50mm ef) and my 55-250 efs.. and was looking at upgrading to the 90d which i could use these lenses on.. BUT now Ive been looking the EOS R and not sure if i can use the EF-S lenses.. lol what to do?
You can still use the lenses, they just quite as versatile. The 90D is a solid camera. You could always start investing in More expensive lenses that are useable on all of canon’s camera. Even on a body like the 800D, you’ll see big improvement in your image with higher quality lenses
If it can't shoot 60fps with the ef-s lenses then it can't shoot 120fps with ef-s? I was hoping it can because I like to shoot slow mo for b-roll. I think Imma go for the 90d as my upgrade from my t5i
Mr. Mellinger... I hope I may ask you a question (ups... I will in advance...) I do have an EF 16-35mm L (using it with the EF-RF mount which works perfect)... I would love to have this 10-18mm just "for fun"... According to the fact that it then uses a part of the sensor (it "croppes") will that mean that on the R5 with the adapter it won't be a "real" 10mm lens... If the crop-factor will be something like 1.6... that will not help me much.... As English is not my mothertongue I hope I wrote something understandable... Kindest regards, Max
Is there any autofocus issue with the EFS lenses or even EF lenses on EOS R? I have a sigma 150-600. If I use it with EOS R will it focus fast like it does on a 90D or a 7D?
No, I actually feel the ef/efs lenses work begged one the R series cameras than the EF mount cameras. I just use canon glass so I can’t speak for the sigmas though
A speed booster makes the framing more similar to a full frame and typically adds an extra stop of light to your lens. So a 24-105 would actually look like 24-105 and have f2.8. It doesn’t change your bokeh though
Great video dude. I love using the movie crop mode with EFS lenses. Light, inexpensive glass with lovely rendering qualities and silent motors - the R’s downsampled 4K image works so well with them. With the metabones RF speedbooster out now, expect to see a lot more youtubers using these pocket rockets!
Sorry, noob here. So at 4:18 are you saying if you use an efs lens on an eos r, it crops? I thought it was the sensor that crops, not the lens. I always thought if I used a 55-250mm efs on an rf mount I'd get that focal range, but on a crop sensor you would have to multiply by 1.6 and get the 400mm you mentioned.
Yea it has to crop because the glass physically isn’t big enough to use the whole sensor. If you’re using an ef-s lens, there’s a 1.6x crop. Which can be good... that means you have a reach of like 400mm with a pretty tiny lens.
@@richycollins7670 Hey yeah its pretty nice but not huge difference. I like it but had to get used to smaller body. Stille when I use 22mm its small but powerful device.
@@TonyMellinger Hi Tony, since R7 and R10 are coming soon, i really want to know how well EF-S lens perform on R7 R10 :) . i have a bunch of EF-s Lens, and ef rf adapter. I was planning to buy RF camera, but till now i havenot bought any RF camera. It seems R7 or R10 will be my best first RF camera :)
@@puluqemil yea! I’m sure it’ll work great with an adapter, I haven’t tried them yet but If it’s anything like the EF glass on an R series camera, the ef-s lenses will actually perform better than they do on an Ef-s camera!
Hi Mate thank you so much for making this video. Is ter any quality’s reduction for photos while using efs on eor r when compared to images from efs on crop bodies.
Use an EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens. It’s the only EF STM lens canon makes and it’s decent glass. The STM autofocus, is fast and silent. I have one adapted onto my R6 MKII. I also have the EF 24-105mm f/4 USM (L) MKI. 9 megapixels are enough unless you’re blowing up your photos. You can still use the EF-S for video, no lost in quality there. 4K is still 4k just cropped in on the mirrorless full frame sensor.
@lb7144 I now have the 24-105mm f4 L IS USM. But what we're looking at here is using EF-S lens with full frame camera. I've seen some guys who've modded the mount plate to fit a full frame camera but I don't think it will work well
@@marknongkhlaw1674 I got an R6 MKII for Christmas and my EF-S lenses adapt onto it along with the EF. The camera automatically goes into 1.6 crop mode with EF-S lenses. Drops me down to 9.3 megapixels but I don’t plan on blowing my photos up beyond 4 ft x 6 ft. Anything beyond feet will give you some trouble at lower megapixels. On the mirrorless, the older STMs work well. I have the Mark I 24-105 (L) also and it works great on the R62. The adapter allows for EF & EF-S onto Canon mirrorless. Third party lenses also adapt and the autofocus works fine.
Is my efs 24mm actually 24mm on my eos r? I'm aware that ef lens on a aps-c sensor has a crop and actually makes the lens have slightly more range. Is it the same thing but in reverse? An efs lens on a full frame sensor..
Technically yes and no. It still has the optics of a 24mm but it’s cropped 1.6x into the frame which is closer to a 35mm (38.4mm). It’s the same as a crop sensor body.
Hey man! Great video - I have a question though: If I use a 10-18mm on an EOS R, what would be the effective focal length @ 10mm? Would it just be the 1.6x crop factor or the 1.7x or would it get both crop factors on it?
I think it’s just the 1.6 crop factor. It still needs the crop because the lens is built for an aps-c camera. Still.. that’s like 16mm on a full frame.
Tony Mellinger I found out that you CAN use 60fps with EF-S lenses on the eos R6 in 4k & 1080p. Haven’t actually tested it out myself, just heard about it from someone who tested it.
All glass in 4k will have a 1.75x crop. On a canon crop camera, you would normally have a 1.6x crop. So the 10-20 you mentioned, on the T6i, 77D, 90D etc, would be a 16-32mm FF equivalent. But on the R in 4K mode, it would become a 17.5 - 35mm lens. So there is a crop on every type of glass you attach to the EOS R in 4K mode.
3 years ago i picked up an 80d 18-200 and 10-18 for an iceland trip, didnt really know at the time 100% what i was after, decided to go look at some lenses today 24-70ii 2.8 and 70-200ii 2.8. Should i be really looking at lenses like that on my 80D? I do like the Eos R alot but ill lose too much on the 80 to sell it. But it is better news i can use efs lenses on the eos r so they wouldnt be completely redundant
The 80D is an incredible camera! The only disadvantage to buying EF lenses for your 80D if you were to move on the the EOS R is the EF lenses are old technology and won’t hold their value. The 70-200 and 27-70 are both amazing lenses and will actually improve the performance of your 80D. If you are still satisfied with your 80D and don’t feel like it’s limiting you, I’d hold out and use that 80D as long as you can.
@@TonyMellinger ok thanks for the reply! u still think it could be worth investing in the ef lenses 2nd hand, both those i saw yesterday were in mint condition
Liam Williams I would suggest the 70-200 especially if you are interested in wildlife photography. The 24-70 is alright but I’d probably suggest the 70-200 first. It’s such a great lens!
Hi. Can i use the efs lenses to make pictures,or it is only for the videos? Cause i got few left from the old camera, and now i thinking go to full frame and eos r one of the options. Thank you.
I upgraded to an Canon EOS RP from a 200D/SL2 and I'm really loving the versatility of the RP, I've got lots of EF-S lenses that I still happily use with the RP for stills & video. One thing I like about the RP is the ability to switch to a 1.6x crop in body, I've just ordered an EF 24-105 F4 knowing that I can extend the focal length to nearly 170MM by applying the crop in body 👍
its there a setiing for that?
Does efs lenses work with the rp when u use an ef to r adaptor??
@@zainmohamed7014 yes they do, however the EOS RP will switch the sensor into APS-C mode, which means you’ll be shooting onto a cropped sensor as opposed to the full frame sensor
Tony, you've hit a home run here. I used to think I was an outcast just because I used EF-S lenses on my EOS R while pretty much everyone else was using all those mega-expensive RF glass. I did give in and bought an RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, but that's the only RF lens I'm using with my R. All the rest are EF-S lenses which include the following-EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM, EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM, EF-S 18-55mm f/4-5.6 IS STM, and the excellent EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM. I'm not a pixel peeper and neither do I blow my pictures to poster size, so I'm really happy with my EF-S lenses. As you mentioned in the video, they are so much lighter than the RF lenses and I'm thankful for it (my 50-something body can only withstand lugging around so much weight). Plus they are much cheaper too, and with good quality to boot.
Thanks for your excellent video. I really appreciate it!
Philip Yeoh Thanks so much! I used to have that little pancake but traded for something... can’t remember what though ha. I’ve been eyeing that RF 24-105 too..
But you had to get the EOS R....
What exactly are the autofocus limitaions for the ef-s lenses?? I can't find that info anywhere online.
Great thing about Sony it's that Sony don't force you to crop mode when you install an APSC lens on full frame camera. You can choose crop or full frame mode. So, you can film or shoot with the vignette and then crop for stabilization or composition in post. It's a shame Canon (or Nikon) forces to crop mode when installing an APSC lens on full frame cameras
That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.
Why is it panning left but you stay in the same framing makes me feel confused
😝
Maybe Green screen motion sickness?
I dont know but it drives me crazy
this triggers me so much
I have the Canon RP and to keep a low profile I use a pancake 24mm EF-S with the adapter. It produces about a 38mm focal length, which is a nice look. Plus, the setup is very light weight. Great video!
That is a great setup! Can you shoot in 60fps with the efs on the RP? I feel like that was a restriction with the EOS r, can’t remember if it was just that camera. For photo, that’s an incredible lightweight setup
Just get the 40mm EF version. They’re the same price. EFS lenses on canons FF mirrorless have an auto crop mode and ur limited to shooting 10mp raw’s. Only EF lenses take advantage of the whole image sensor
That panning. Please God no. Good information though
agree, haha so distracting.
There is one thing no one mentioned, that EOS RP with EF-S will not record FullHD: such an option disappears from EOS RP features when an EF-S lens is mounted. Only 4K or HD options are available. Don't know how about EOS R in such a case and would be worthy to find out.
Interesting. I feel like there was some weird things like that with the R as well.
This vid helped me a lot as a new canon Eos R user! Thank you very much!
Glad i could help!
Great looking cinematic sequence! Told me all I needed to know and I cant wait to start filming on the R with my 10-18 efs!!!
Love the 10-18mm!
Hi Tony. Great video! I've been using the wonderful EF-S 35/2.8 macro on my R and it gives me a 56mm reach to complement the RF35mm. One suggestion for future videos--try to add more visual interest in the first 12 minutes apart from the flash screens showing each pro and con of the EF-S lenses. For example, at 5:40 you state "I'be gotten some great photos from this tiny, small lenses". It would be great if you could then cut to show some of these photos or even a shot of the camera with one or two of these "small" lenses attached. Just a bit of feedback for the next video. All the best.
I like that little 35mm f2.8 macro. It’s a good little lens.
I have this lens being delivered tomorrow. Very excited to use it on my RP. I have the EF 24-105L II and 100-400L II and I tend to grab my smaller 24mm ef-s for general fun shooting around the house. I've gotten many tack sharp images with the little 24. I have no doubt the 35 macro will be just as good. I print my own 13x19" images, everyone loves them. Now that I put the control ring adapter on this camera, game changer! I shoot photos, not video. @$1k, the full frame mirrorless RP is the best value around. Thanks for the vid Tony, enjoyed it bud.
Tony is it works the same today?
What about EF-S 10-18mm on R6 today, is it will crop and no 60p ?
Your thoughts about it please... because i want to order it))) and now watched this vid, already a year, maybe some firmwares from canon took place?
And what about autofocus?
Thank you in advance
Same question from me, what will be result on canon eosr6??
@@bikash3003 Tony answered under another video, and answer is - Yes, it will work just fine at 4k, he is admitted that glass itself is a bit old, and not as sharp, but many people can't even mention this. So it's ok
You can use EF-s lenses with the R5 and R6 with 4k60! They fixed a lot of the things I didn’t like on the R. AF works well, the image just isn’t as sharp for photos, video looks excellent beside the difference in lower quality of glass
Heck I started with an EOS Rebel XS, graduated to a EOS T6. Now Im looking to get the EOS R. Thanks for the video
You’d love the step up from the t6! Isn’t the journey fun?!
@@TonyMellinger it's fun but I was disappointed with the photo quality on the t6, I feel that the rebel xs had better photos than the newer t6, I bought a new lens to see if it's the lenses that come with the kit but still not the case. I also bought it for video but again it's really limited in that department, the live focus doesn't work if I'm not pressing the button, even then it's too slow for what it's for. I'm looking to graduate to full frame, but the 6d and the EOS R are the less expensive options at the moment. The problem is that I don't want to be behind with a dinosaur in specs. And these things are expensive...
Thank you for this video, this answered my questions and kept me in the canon family of products to keep my old EF lenses instead of jumping to sony.
90D just wasn't hitting the marks I wanted it to hit.
Oh ya, you’ll be blown away with the R series cameras, they’re incredible! #teamcanon
Springfield mo here, this video may have just made my mind on getting a R. Thanks so much for making this video.
Nice! I get down that area fairly frequently! Pull the trigger on the R, it’s a great camera!
I don't shoot a ton of video but when I do the ability to throw my old EFS 10-22 on my R is nice when I'm using a gimbal and shooting 4k for real estate walk-throughs. The lack of 60fps in this mode, even in 1080p is infuriating.
Agreed!!!
When you do your talking don't suddenly blast out the music, there is no need for that. ppl with headphones mostly watch YT so you are deafening them
Thanks for your very quick response. now I can listen with ease😊
Ha yes that’s fixed in my newer videos
I just realized why my pictures on my Eos RP were coming out 10mp. It was the dam 18-55mm EF kit lens I was using on it and in video I couldn't shoot 4k nor 60fps which I couldn't figure out why. Now I know. Good thing I have ultra sonic 50mm that allows full features out of the canon RP.
Yep! That’s why!!
Some of the limitations you mention for EF-S lenses do not occur with third party crop lenses. I have a Tokina 12-24 which covers full frame from 18-24 and allows vignetted shooting wider which you can crop square as needed. Some of the third party lenses are not all that bad and might already be owned by those upgrading from a Rebel level Canon. Another trick is most lenses cover a larger field when shooting macro so a crop intended macro will fill full frame at some close distance. Again you may not be getting L level glass but there can be an upgrade from full frame that is not covered ion lines per millimeter. Your video mentioned that not everyone is a pro and needs multi-thousand dollar glass. I use an RP and glass that was OK ten years ago. My pictures may not be native R mount quality but they are better than they were when new.
Agree with you! How do you like that RP? Have you found any limitations for you personally?
Is it 60fps with third party lenses?
Remember that you still have 60fps in 720p. I know it's not the best thing in 2020, but somethings I mix 720p60fps footage for slowmotion on my films, even for clients when using the 10-18mm and until now nobody has complained. The delivery is Instagram and Facebook, so it's plenty of resolution, but yes, I wish they enabled the 60fps in 1080p mode. I hope the Canon R5 doesn't have this stupid limitation.
That is a good point! And I agree w you 720 is perfectly fine for social media. The 120 is a little soft in 120, I’m not sure if you can use that with a ef-s lens. I don’t know if I’ve ever tried.
@@TonyMellinger it doesn't work in crop mode. So no 120fps for EF-S or EF Crop Mode.
Thanks for sharing this! So helpful! Have a great day sir!
Glad I could help!
Great video, still can't believe you live 15 mins from me. I was a Sony fan boy untill 2 weeks ago. Left my r4 and all gm glass for all RF glass with the eosR.
Ok ok we should team up and start making fun stuff. This is so much more fun with 2 or more
Agreed!
I use Sony’s for weddings sometimes when I do contract work and I really ate them 😂 I get very frustrated with so many things about them.
I had some vignetting with some of my sigma ef-s lenses. 17-50 2.8
I don’t have any experience with sigma lenses. I pretty much always shoot canon.
Was that a 17? Or all the way through?
因为佳能默认你的17-50是一个全画幅镜头
Omg man, you are the first who sayd there is no 60fps with apsc lenses.
This make me to not buy the eos r what I had in plan next 2 weeks...
So sad... I have good glass like sigma art 18-35 and sigma art 50-100 and also a canon 10-18mm what makes the full filmmaking package...
My goodness canon...
Thanks for saying that, subscribed for this!
Ya, it’s a bummer, it’s a great camera, it would be really nice if they had a firmware update that would unlock 60fps, idk if it will happen though. I’m a huge fan of the 10-18! Great lens for the price! Thanks for the sub!
I may have missed the comments or anything mentioned about EF-S mount for these APSC lenses. May I ask about which particular mount will be used for the EF-S? Is the same as EF-Mount?
Hi, I was browsing through B&H video website and the lens adapter they have for EOS R says to work with EF and EF-S lenses. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the review I’m seriously thinking about upgrading my gear to a full frame camera bc of the horrible noise I get when I shoot during the blue hour. And related to that: how does the camera handles noise when you take pics w an EF-S lens? Is it as bad as with my 70D or the only thing affected is the resolution of the image?
Thanks
juan carlos Rodriguez I haven’t noticed any noise difference with the ef-s glass. I do know the more expensive glass does handle noise better than some of the budget lenses st the same iso but that’s understandable with the higher end glass. Still better than the noise I was getting with my 80D though!
Hello sir, I know this video is kinda old now, but I think it's still relevant and I have a question, I am thinking of getting the EOS R now second hand to upgrade my m50, and I also still have a lot of EF-S glass from the m50 that I would like to keep using on the EOS R, but I have a problem shooting video, I got the RP just now for a test run, and I don't think I am keeping it, there is no 1080p AT ALL when I put on the EF-S glass!!! Not only 60p is missing, all of it!!! You can only shoot 720 or 4k. What kind of a sick joke is that!!! So my question is do you still get to shoot 24 25 and 30p 1080p on the EOS R with the EF-S glass? Thanks!!
Yea you still get 1080 24/30 for sure
Thank you!@@TonyMellinger
Great video man! Very helpful since im about to buy a EF-S 17-85mm for my EOS R . I just wanted to be able to have a nice cheap zoom lens for quick shoots.
Yea for sure!!
Thanks so much for the info. I got lots of EFS lenses and want to use them all.
Yea, they aren’t bad at all!
Well I don't have rf lenses but im using ef lenses with adopter on my canon eos r. There is manu in the setting to enable 24fps and that apply for all the video setting when enable. And yes no 60fps it shows only 50fps when 24fps disabled
Thanks...I’m in a similar situation. Work has asked me to do some videos for them and I’ve since upgraded from 70D to eos R. Of course I have quite the collection of EF lenses...thanks for the video and I did subscribe!
Jeremy Rush thanks so much for the view and subscribe! Can’t wait to see what you create!
I don't consider the C200 a "crop sensor" camera because Super 35 mm is the historic standard for motion picture film cameras. So-called "full-frame video" is really a medium format film camera. Super 35 is absolutely fine for video.
You are right. You’ve got to pay biiig money for a full frame cine cam.
@@TonyMellinger - Tony, my attitude is this: If I have a camera in my hand that is the optical equivalent of anything that Hitchcock, or Chaplin, or Wyler used in their productions, its a pretty good camera. Go beyond that, and you're talking David Lean shooting "Lawrence of Arabia," and if that's your goal, get anamorphic lenses. I'd sooner have an anamorphic lens than a larger sensor. That said, I don't think I'll put my 18-55 mm EF-S zoom on my EOS R -- I'll wait and get an image-stabilized EF-mount zoom lens, first. Like you, I have the Canon T6i for still photography. I bought the EOS R as my B Camera for video.
@@TonyMellinger - There is that Sigma fP cinema camera, which -- unlike comparable Blackmagic cameras -- is full-frame. However, to me, the lack of image stabilization is a deal-breaker. One wants a little flexibility with your equipment.
Great info. Came across this video trying to find out, why my EOS R disables FHDp60. While I'm using EF lenses, it turns out, that the Metabones Speedbooster, that I use to bring the 4k crop down to 1.2 probably negotiates exactly the same as EF-S lenses with the EOS R.
Wow! That’s a little crazy. So it was reading a speed booster as a crop sensor. It took me awhile to figure out the EOS R didn’t have 60fps with ef-s and I was pretty disappointed
@@TonyMellinger It's not really an issue, if one also has the EF lenses. As FHD isn't cropped in the first place. I only have EF lenses as I came from the 5D Mk3 to the EOS R, but I think I need to nick some of the EF-S lenses of my other half for a bit more testing. She might get unhappy though :p
@@TonyMellinger I've done some tests today and put my findings in a video. Unfortunately, the EFS lenses don't reduce the crop very much. The Metabones speedbooster actually gives much more use of the EOS R / EOS RP sensor. But you do gain a little. So if you have EFS lenses, there are some advantages.
I have an 80d and an R. Will I get better quality on the 80d than using crop mode on the R with the efs lenses? I have a Sigma 18-35 I would like to use.
That’s a great question! I think the 80D would actually get you better images. You’ll have higher megapixel images on the 80D. The EOS R is still totally capable of using the 18-35, but the 80D is such an awesome camera mixed with the cropping of the sensor of the eos r, I’d choose the 80D
Also, what can you use to be able to take photos that you want to print in very large sizes, if using your EF lenses cuts your megapixels down to 10?
How big is very large? PS also has a pixel multiplier that works pretty well I’ve heard. I dont have much experience with it.
How about still photos? Is there vignetting when using EF-S glass on Eos R?
I use a Canon SL2, a Canon 7Dmk2 and the Canon 5Dmk1 (though folks get upset when I refer to the 5D as such!). I have been lusting over the EOS R & RP. Your EOS R vids are very informative and helpful. Please keep the insights rolling. I have just subscribed so I can now share that I am an appreciative subscriber. Two quick questions based on some other of your vids: Much of the footage is 1080p. Do you ever shoot 4k and if so, when? Lastly, you mention that under WB you color shift +2 Blue. Do you do that with all your Canon footage? Stills and/or video? Thumbs up.
Thanks so much for the support! Really appreciate it! By the way, HUGE fan of the sl2 and I’ve talked dozens of people into that camera. It’s incredibly solid for the price point. As far as your questions, I pretty much always shoot in 1080 unless i need the extra reach. The quality of the 1080 is so good, I’ve actually been upscaling to 4K and it still looks great. The 4K is great too, i just really love the look of the 1080 and like the ability to shoot in 60fps. The color shifting is applied to both photo and video all across the board with my DSLR/mirrorless cameras. When shooting photos though, i shoot in RAW so that’s not a variable when editing. It’s the first setting i change when i buy a camera, ha!
Great video! I was looking for a video exactly like this, did you get a chance to compare pictures from a crop sensor camera to the R in crop mode? I know you access less megapixels but is the quality of the picture really different? How about cropping a picture taken in crop mode in the R? For example shooting wildlife so you use crop mode to get the extra reach, are those pictures crop able or is the resolution not high enough?
The quality is still like 14MP so you have plenty of room to crop. I did notice a small amount of quality difference but it’s still absolutely useable. I went on a safari and Tanzania and used this technique. Worked well for reaching with a 70-200 with an extender.
@@TonyMellinger awesome thanks for the reply!
I did a comparison with my M50 and my Canon R6. Without zooming to the smallest object, I didn’t see that much diifference. Only when I zoomed in to a cup was where I noticed the 20 MP Canon M50 had more detail than the Canon R6 full frame using the crop lens and made the pic 8 MP.
How does using an EFS lense on R camera create a longer focal length when used on the different camera?
I think it just crops in like if you were using a crop sensor camera.
you also loose dual pixel focus, and the 24mm pancake doesnt have IS. You also have a lot more noise in dark areas of the picture. Picture is no where near as sharp as the RF lens.
100% agree. The RF glass is just incredible
I got an Eos R yesterday and was thinking of selling my EFS 17-55mm lens.
Thanks
I’ve never used a 17-55, I’m glad you can use the ef-s lenses with the new cameras though. So much versatility
How does the auto focus work with the EF-S? Also what adapter are you using?
I am using the control ring adaptor. I’d say the autofocus works just as well as it does on an ef-s camera... if not better. The AF is incredible on these new R series cameras
一样的好
great video dude, ya answered all of my questions. loss of 60 frames per second has me lost though.
Thanks. I agree. It’s a bummer!
The frame rate has ZERO to do with lens. It is the video frame rate you are selecting.
Hey Tony, I am glad that I am here. Looking for the first same information. Just sold my SL3 with kit lense but still left with 10-18 and I am so curious how it will behave on my R6 mark ii (sounds illogical 😅) it's a huge jump I know but I am sure that I can not be with that for 2-3 years as I am a hobbyist not a professional and don't have money to buy invest on high-end RF gear as of now. Thanks for all your advise and inputs. 👍
The 10-18 is a great lens. I think it will behave similarly to how it did on your sl3 with the RF/ef adapter. You could also look into the RF16mm as a replacement if you want to move toward RF glass
Thanks for the useful advise. 😊
What you think of the new upgraded Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5 USM IS Nano image stabilization wide angel if I use it on Canon EOS R ?
Hey! What's that simple, little piano diddy playing with the video footage named? It's simple, clean, and I like it.
Boy I’m not sure! It was from epidemic sound but I really Donno
I'm watching and waiting to the part where, I'm guessing, you talk about vignetting.... /Wait, farthest reach on a full frame sensor? By setting the cam (R) to do a crop of the sensor?
I haven’t noticed a tone of vignette. Not anymore than I do on a crop sensor camera
Fantastic info..Thanks very much!!
Glad I could help
Hi Tony, nice channel!
I have been working with R from mid 2019, and biggest drawback for me is lack 50/60p in EFS and crop mode! Don't care about 4K at all. Nice to know I'm not the only one :D
Want to use my primes for native and longer (1.6) reach, but then lose high fps :(
Tomislav Čorak ya I’m totally right there with ya! 👊🏼
@@TonyMellinger actually, I use 4k when filming. Only because its easier and faster to change resolution than go into crop mode trough menues.
I use it to get longer reach if needed. But still lose high fps :(
Hi Tony, i am looking to buy a wide angle lens for my eos R and i need it to be light weight so i can make it the same weight as my prime full frame lenses for quick lense swaps on my weebill s without rebalancing it... so i guess my 2 fav options are the ef 17-40 f4 or that canon efs 10-18 is or sigma 18-35 f1.8 or canon efs17-55 f2.8... what do you think is my best option? And why? Thanks
Which lens is your prime full frame lens? That may determine which is the best wide angle lens. The 10-18 and 17-55 are going to be lighter, but come with some limitations so I’d probably suggest the 17-40 for maximum capability. Since you want to balance it on a gimbal anyways, I wouldn’t worry too much about the no IS. I’ve heard good things about the sigma as well, but I’ve never used it. My buddy did have focusing trouble with it though. I suppose I’d suggest the 17-40, and I’m guessing that’ll be the closest weight to a full frame prime for balancing purposes...
I was thinking of using my EFS 60mm f2.8 to do macro shots on the EOS R. Not a good idea if the resolution drops from 30MP to 11MP. I'm just gonna keep using my 450D at 10MP for (theoretically) similar results.
Yea… i wasn’t a huge fan of the R with EFS lenses, the crop is actually much better on the R5 and R6 though, I’m not sure what the difference is. The images are much less soft.
@@TonyMellinger Good to know it's better on the R5 and R6. However these two awesome cameras are a bit too expensive for me. I'm an amateur that likes to test the limits of the equipment and lenses that I have, so I'll stick to my 450D for now and perhaps move to the EOS RP in the near future. Not the greatest camera, but still way better than my ASP-C, and it's a full frame!
@@flightmaster999 huge fan of the EOS RP. I think it’s an excellent upgrade for you!!
Hey, i have a ef 55-250 is ii (non stm), will the autofocus work on r50?
It should work… I dont know why it wouldn’t.
I’ve got an R6 but I’m young. I’m in college and only 19 so RF lenses are way out of my price range. At least for now. I’m saving my money to get a 70-200 but other than that I have the 24-105 KIT lens and a 50mm 1.8 EF.
That’s alright! The EF lenses with an adaptor are still really great, in fact, I think they’re better on R series cameras then on EF mount cameras
canon cripple hammer at work, the crop is one thing, same as Sony super 35 mode, but the rest is just ridiculous
I just buy efs 24 f2.8 pancake with eos 90d for my part-time youtube. Nice to hear that efs lens with EOS R, but it loses image quality. May be no someone buy high price full frame and use cheap glass on APS-C。Just a joke!
Haha, there’s plenty of people that use EF-s lenses on full frames ha! The R5 actually handles them very well!
so I have EOS R and R6 and I have tons of EF - S lenses from my 500D and 70D bodies. I do have an adapter, can I use my EF-S lenses with my EOSR and R6 Body with the adapter?
Yes you can use ef-s lenses with the adapter but you do lose some functionality
So just to make sure...the ef-s lenses are still cropped? So the ef-s 24mm on an r-system is actually 38.4mm, meaning the "24mm" is technically a lie?
Yes they have to be cropped, the glass isn’t big enough
loved the vid! look forward to seeing more from you :-)
Thanks so much! Having fun trying to create good content!
Hey. Anyone know how the following lenses will do with the R?
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Canon EF 50mm f/ 1.8 stm lens e Canon EFS 24mm f/ 2.8 stm
Thx!!
Ef lenses will do better on the R with the adapter than they will on a traditional EF mount camera. But… the RF lenses really shine!
So it only does 720p video? No 1080p
It should do 1080 🤷🏼♂️ it’s been awhile since I’ve had my EOS R
What do u prefer for photography ,the eos r or mark iv ? Also I was thinking about grabbing one of the two and grabbing a 24-70mm efs 2.8 lens because it seems the most versatile for photography, wat do u think?
Oh no question the EOS R. The 5D4 feels like a dinosaur after using the R cameras.
@@TonyMellinger thank you so much bro!
hi tony, i really liked your video, im from mexico 🇲🇽. What program you edit your videos
Thanks for watching. I edit in premiere pro
How much time you will take to come to the point? Upset.
So, your'e saying that for video a lens like the EF-S 17-85mm for example will film in full frame mode in 4K? On a Canon R6?
It will not be full frame. 1.6x crop
@@TonyMellinger I suppose what I am asking is, will it still have the same quality, in the crop, as the full fame? I have read that the crop in photos is lesser pixels. Rather than 20MP you get let's say approx 12MP in photo mode. How does this translate to video?
@@shotsi673 oh. No crop is the same quality. In fact in some situations, crop is better.
@@TonyMellinger Thanks!
The main reason Canon is crippling video features is because a video-centric mirrorless would compete with their C lineup and DSLRs. Nobody cares about SONY DSLRs so they pack premium features in their mirrorless cameras and focus on them, while majority of Canon's income is still from DSLRs.
I don't think you mentioned much about lowlight, will my EFS lenses perform better in low light on the EOS R?
They will def perform better on a full frame camera than a crop sensor. I haven’t compared ef lenses to ef-s lenses regarding low though though.
Question: I'm planning on taking my EOS R on holiday with me for video, and I only have EF-S lenses, so should I use my 200D for taking pictures instead of the EOS R? like will the pictures I take on my 200D be better pictures than my EOS R, because of the crop sensor lenses?
Sorry I didn't clarify. I don't have both cameras yet. I suppose I could just test when I have both cameras, but I was thinking when I buy the EOS R should I buy an RF lens or whatever. As I don't have the money, to buy both new, so I was wondering if it's better buying a pre owned EOS R with an RF lens rather than buy a new EOS R with just an adapter so I can just use my EF-S lenses.
I mean if my 200D will do a good job of taking stills then I think I could just buy the new EOS R for video, and use my 200D for stills, but if the still images would be much better on the EOS R with an RF lens, then I think maybe I should buy Pre owned.
So I guess I'm asking your advice on what I should do. Either buy a new EOS R and use my 200D for stills, or buy a pre owned EOS R with an RF lens?
The 200D is a great camera, but what if you bought an EOS R and sold the 200D? I guess it all depends on what type of photos you want to take, the EOS R is all around a much better camera, even with the limitations of the crop on the EF-S lenses. If I were you I wouldn’t take two cameras if I didn’t need to and get by with just the EOS R. The RF glass is really expensive still, except for the 35mm f1.8 and 24-105mm which are both great lenses. The other option would be to buy some EF glass for your 200D and just use that for awhile. I honestly think no matter which way you go, you can get by though!
@@TonyMellinger Thanks for the reply.
Right away Im watching and listening to something that sounds VERY familiar..as i look at my 800d/t7i.. with my 10-22 efs (combo with the 50mm ef) and my 55-250 efs..
and was looking at upgrading to the 90d which i could use these lenses on.. BUT now Ive been looking the EOS R and not sure if i can use the EF-S lenses.. lol what to do?
You can still use the lenses, they just quite as versatile. The 90D is a solid camera. You could always start investing in More expensive lenses that are useable on all of canon’s camera. Even on a body like the 800D, you’ll see big improvement in your image with higher quality lenses
If it can't shoot 60fps with the ef-s lenses then it can't shoot 120fps with ef-s? I was hoping it can because I like to shoot slow mo for b-roll. I think Imma go for the 90d as my upgrade from my t5i
No it doesn’t shoot 120 either. The 90D is a cool camera. I came from the 80D, which is a great camera, one of my favorites ever.
Saaay, did you (or do you) use efs [lenses] directly on the 5d? I'm just too scared I'll break my 5d (were I to do that).
I never did. It isn’t really designed for that
Mr. Mellinger... I hope I may ask you a question (ups... I will in advance...) I do have an EF 16-35mm L (using it with the EF-RF mount which works perfect)... I would love to have this 10-18mm just "for fun"... According to the fact that it then uses a part of the sensor (it "croppes") will that mean that on the R5 with the adapter it won't be a "real" 10mm lens... If the crop-factor will be something like 1.6... that will not help me much.... As English is not my mothertongue I hope I wrote something understandable... Kindest regards, Max
Yes that is correct. The 10-18 is closer to a 16mm wide open.
@@TonyMellinger thank you very much... so I will most probably not buy it... thank you very much for taking the time to answer so quick! Take care!
Thank you Tony 👍🏼🍺😎
Cheers! 🤙🏽
Is there any autofocus issue with the EFS lenses or even EF lenses on EOS R? I have a sigma 150-600. If I use it with EOS R will it focus fast like it does on a 90D or a 7D?
No, I actually feel the ef/efs lenses work begged one the R series cameras than the EF mount cameras. I just use canon glass so I can’t speak for the sigmas though
As a new guy how does a speed booster work with the EFS lenses in video or stills with the EOS R
A speed booster makes the framing more similar to a full frame and typically adds an extra stop of light to your lens. So a 24-105 would actually look like 24-105 and have f2.8. It doesn’t change your bokeh though
Footage at the end... Which mic? Thanks
Rode video micro 😎
Great video dude. I love using the movie crop mode with EFS lenses. Light, inexpensive glass with lovely rendering qualities and silent motors - the R’s downsampled 4K image works so well with them. With the metabones RF speedbooster out now, expect to see a lot more youtubers using these pocket rockets!
Ya! They are so nice for UA-camrs!
Sorry, noob here. So at 4:18 are you saying if you use an efs lens on an eos r, it crops? I thought it was the sensor that crops, not the lens. I always thought if I used a 55-250mm efs on an rf mount I'd get that focal range, but on a crop sensor you would have to multiply by 1.6 and get the 400mm you mentioned.
Yea it has to crop because the glass physically isn’t big enough to use the whole sensor. If you’re using an ef-s lens, there’s a 1.6x crop. Which can be good... that means you have a reach of like 400mm with a pretty tiny lens.
@@TonyMellinger Oh ok. Thanks for the reply.
I'm using the same setup but I'm getting on 250mm too much exposure... Any idea?
Thanks for such genuine information mate.. Love from INDIA.
Some questions..
With My RP do i use 10-18mm/55-250mm efs with mount adaptor..?
Yep same adaptor as the EF lenses
@@TonyMellinger sure thanks
Which lens adapter model used?
RF control ring adapter
Can you use the sigma 18-35 mm, for the canon eos r camera ?
I believe that’s an Ef-s Len, correct?
Thank you for this. I wanted to buy RP as I have 77d But have bought m50 instead. Probably next will be R or RP.
I really like the m50 as well! By the time you max out the m50, you’ll be ready for the eos R!!
@@richycollins7670 Hey yeah its pretty nice but not huge difference. I like it but had to get used to smaller body. Stille when I use 22mm its small but powerful device.
great video, very helpful!
Glad I could help!
@@TonyMellinger Hi Tony, since R7 and R10 are coming soon, i really want to know how well EF-S lens perform on R7 R10 :) . i have a bunch of EF-s Lens, and ef rf adapter. I was planning to buy RF camera, but till now i havenot bought any RF camera. It seems R7 or R10 will be my best first RF camera :)
@@puluqemil yea! I’m sure it’ll work great with an adapter, I haven’t tried them yet but If it’s anything like the EF glass on an R series camera, the ef-s lenses will actually perform better than they do on an Ef-s camera!
@@TonyMellinger Thank you very much!
Does the camera automatically adjust to the (efs) crop, or you have to do it in settings?
Yes. Automatically adjusts
Hi Mate thank you so much for making this video. Is ter any quality’s reduction for photos while using efs on eor r when compared to images from efs on crop bodies.
Yes when you use an ef-a lens on the eos r you only get like a 14mp photo
"You're going to upload it to Instagram and destroy the quality anyway" lol...
Haha!
cold truth lol
Damn True...
Great Video😁!
Thank you!!
Can i make video with 24mm stm with 50 fps?
It depends what camera and lens you have. If the lens is ef-s, some cameras can’t shoot higher frame rates with them like the EOS r and rp.
EF-S 55-250 on a FF cam gives me a 9 megapixel picture 😢
Plenty big enough for Instagram 😅
Use an EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens. It’s the only EF STM lens canon makes and it’s decent glass. The STM autofocus, is fast and silent. I have one adapted onto my R6 MKII. I also have the EF 24-105mm f/4 USM (L) MKI. 9 megapixels are enough unless you’re blowing up your photos. You can still use the EF-S for video, no lost in quality there. 4K is still 4k just cropped in on the mirrorless full frame sensor.
@lb7144 I now have the 24-105mm f4 L IS USM. But what we're looking at here is using EF-S lens with full frame camera. I've seen some guys who've modded the mount plate to fit a full frame camera but I don't think it will work well
@@marknongkhlaw1674
I got an R6 MKII for Christmas and my EF-S lenses adapt onto it along with the EF. The camera automatically goes into 1.6 crop mode with EF-S lenses. Drops me down to 9.3 megapixels but I don’t plan on blowing my photos up beyond 4 ft x 6 ft. Anything beyond feet will give you some trouble at lower megapixels.
On the mirrorless, the older STMs work well. I have the Mark I 24-105 (L) also and it works great on the R62. The adapter allows for EF & EF-S onto Canon mirrorless. Third party lenses also adapt and the autofocus works fine.
You're not really getting any benefit of the extra reach. It's the same exact thing as just cropping in.
Are you sure that 20 mpx APSC sensor and crop from Full Frame 20 mpx sensor is the same thing ;) ?
@@groundhoppingwlkp3622 nope, you’re right. Although the decrease in MP isn’t thatttt much.
Is my efs 24mm actually 24mm on my eos r? I'm aware that ef lens on a aps-c sensor has a crop and actually makes the lens have slightly more range. Is it the same thing but in reverse? An efs lens on a full frame sensor..
Technically yes and no. It still has the optics of a 24mm but it’s cropped 1.6x into the frame which is closer to a 35mm (38.4mm). It’s the same as a crop sensor body.
@@TonyMellinger Thank you for the response. Made my lens search much easier. I appreciate the help :)
Glad I could help!
Quick question. So the R7 is an apsc, would attaching these lens still lose megapixels? 😪
Since the r7 is already crop, you wouldn’t lose any pixels!
@@TonyMellinger that's a HUGEEE relief! Thanks!!
Hey man! Great video - I have a question though: If I use a 10-18mm on an EOS R, what would be the effective focal length @ 10mm? Would it just be the 1.6x crop factor or the 1.7x or would it get both crop factors on it?
I think it’s just the 1.6 crop factor. It still needs the crop because the lens is built for an aps-c camera. Still.. that’s like 16mm on a full frame.
@@TonyMellinger sweet! And is the 60fps limit only in 4k? So can it do 60fps in 1080p?
E E correct
E E wait, the eos R can only do 4K 24/30 but not additional crop on the 4K footage
@@TonyMellinger Thank you so much!!!
Do you know if the 60fps video cripple hammer remains on the newly announced R6?
I am not sure, it’s one of the first things I’m going to investigate!
Tony Mellinger I found out that you CAN use 60fps with EF-S lenses on the eos R6 in 4k & 1080p. Haven’t actually tested it out myself, just heard about it from someone who tested it.
@@theDanDeleon good to know, as I am debating whether to trade in my 80D when I buy the R6
what with the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM
Yea! That’s a great lens!
Does it hurt the camera if you mount EFS to full frame cameras?
Not if it’s made for the camera.
Any idea if the sigma 10-20mm EF-S on eos r will be the same? No crop at 4K?
Ya if it’s an ef-s, no crop on 4K!
Thanks
All glass in 4k will have a 1.75x crop. On a canon crop camera, you would normally have a 1.6x crop.
So the 10-20 you mentioned, on the T6i, 77D, 90D etc, would be a 16-32mm FF equivalent. But on the R in 4K mode,
it would become a 17.5 - 35mm lens. So there is a crop on every type of glass you attach to the EOS R in 4K mode.
3 years ago i picked up an 80d 18-200 and 10-18 for an iceland trip, didnt really know at the time 100% what i was after, decided to go look at some lenses today 24-70ii 2.8 and 70-200ii 2.8. Should i be really looking at lenses like that on my 80D? I do like the Eos R alot but ill lose too much on the 80 to sell it. But it is better news i can use efs lenses on the eos r so they wouldnt be completely redundant
The 80D is an incredible camera! The only disadvantage to buying EF lenses for your 80D if you were to move on the the EOS R is the EF lenses are old technology and won’t hold their value. The 70-200 and 27-70 are both amazing lenses and will actually improve the performance of your 80D. If you are still satisfied with your 80D and don’t feel like it’s limiting you, I’d hold out and use that 80D as long as you can.
@@TonyMellinger ok thanks for the reply! u still think it could be worth investing in the ef lenses 2nd hand, both those i saw yesterday were in mint condition
@@TonyMellinger and which lens would u recommend first? i dont shoot portrait as of yet, have taken some pictures of Birds etc
Liam Williams I would suggest the 70-200 especially if you are interested in wildlife photography. The 24-70 is alright but I’d probably suggest the 70-200 first. It’s such a great lens!
@@TonyMellinger ok cool, and that would be great for landscape which would be most of my photo's?
Can this camera shoot 1080p video on EF-S lenses ?
Yep! And 4K.
Hi. Can i use the efs lenses to make pictures,or it is only for the videos?
Cause i got few left from the old camera, and now i thinking go to full frame and eos r one of the options.
Thank you.
Yes, you can use them for photos.
@@TonyMellinger Thank you.
Your intro song it's on the loud side
Yea that’s been fixed in my newer videos