Deron Williams Career Tanked Way Too Soon! Stunted Growth

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  • @stuntedgrowth
    @stuntedgrowth  Рік тому +54

    Still one of my favorite players to watch when he played. Deron was different. Wish his prime lasted longer

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 Рік тому +4

      Absolutely 💯 deron was my Favorite pg in his Prime . He was like a shifty hybrid that could average alot of assist and a great 3level scorer before injuries. D Will was like a combination of Jason Kidd and Baron Davis.

    • @raco-al7124
      @raco-al7124 Рік тому +1

      😂😂😂 like how you safe the best for last. Demonstrates William 🔥

    • @derrickharmon6470
      @derrickharmon6470 Рік тому +1

      Jimmie "Snap" Hunter

    • @donniemoorehead9397
      @donniemoorehead9397 Рік тому

      Have you done Steve Francis already

    • @anthonytaylor5258
      @anthonytaylor5258 Рік тому

      Thank you for this. This is my favorite point guard ever. Offensively he had it all in my opinion. Shooter from anywhere on the court, great vision, finished at the rim, with authority when he wanted to.
      My dad attended classes with Williams, Head and Brown while they were there. I loved being in Champaign Illinois because of that.

  • @KIDTV-qe2dm
    @KIDTV-qe2dm Рік тому +29

    Deron Williams looks like your neighborhood barber 💈. Lol 😂 😂😂😂

  • @AggravatedMan365
    @AggravatedMan365 Рік тому +77

    I remember when he and Chris Paul were neck and neck for best pg in the league. I was shocked at how fast he faded after the Nets trade.

  • @thedoranwilliamsshow6863
    @thedoranwilliamsshow6863 Рік тому +118

    Injuries and his beef with Jerry Sloan derailed his career.

    • @hstone39
      @hstone39 Рік тому +17

      That and Paul Pierce wanted him to lead the team but he didn't see that in himself.

    • @payrysdoscs4903
      @payrysdoscs4903 Рік тому +6

      He also had beefs with 2 guys named Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.

    • @versatillion15
      @versatillion15 Рік тому +6

      What was the injury? I swear him & Mike Bibby are the only players to fall off with no major injuries lol

    • @sirbradfordofhousejones
      @sirbradfordofhousejones Рік тому +1

      Username *almost* checks out

    • @jonathanheadley3608
      @jonathanheadley3608 Рік тому +4

      Utah chose D Will over J. Sloan tho…which is crazy

  • @allurbancentralclips
    @allurbancentralclips Рік тому +62

    Deron Williams was an absolute DAWG in Utah. He was one of the best point guards of all-time in his prime. He fell from earth after being traded to Brooklyn after his beef with Jerry Sloan in Utah. He was a REAL HOOPER! 🏀🏀🏀🏀

    • @DrAverage444
      @DrAverage444 Рік тому

      Bro you are smoking dope lmaooo. I’m his prime he ain’t even a top 30 point guard of all time get out of here dude what in the fuck

    • @Hawkeyes319
      @Hawkeyes319 Рік тому +1

      At one point it was him and Chris paul as who's the best point guard.

    • @41510ciscokid
      @41510ciscokid Рік тому

      Traded to New Jersey

    • @undercover656
      @undercover656 9 місяців тому

      @@Hawkeyes319facts

  • @ECSUVik96
    @ECSUVik96 Рік тому +22

    Francis gave Iverson work on that crossover sheesh

  • @realjcoop182
    @realjcoop182 Рік тому +23

    Best double cross in the game 💯🔥

  • @thedoranwilliamsshow6863
    @thedoranwilliamsshow6863 Рік тому +17

    I still remember that 57 point game

  • @bassmin954
    @bassmin954 Рік тому +12

    Okur, Boozer, Kirilenko, Giricek, D-Will, Harpring ... I loved that team

    • @KIrvin_The_Scholar
      @KIrvin_The_Scholar Рік тому +1

      Weren't Paul Millsap & D. Favors on that squad late into his run with the team ?

    • @bassmin954
      @bassmin954 Рік тому +3

      @@KIrvin_The_Scholar Millsap yes, later on. Deron was traded for Favors

    • @thankyoujodi
      @thankyoujodi Рік тому +2

      Love ak47 and I would do work with okur on nba live

    • @KIrvin_The_Scholar
      @KIrvin_The_Scholar Рік тому +2

      @@thankyoujodi right the Jazz had a squad on NBA Live 2005

  • @younggod3906
    @younggod3906 Рік тому +11

    In Utah he was pound for pound the best PG from the late 2000’s to 2011

  • @KIDTV-qe2dm
    @KIDTV-qe2dm Рік тому +47

    Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer could've been the next Stockton-Malone.

    • @younggod3906
      @younggod3906 Рік тому +1

      Yeah facts

    • @seanlamar29
      @seanlamar29 Рік тому +1

      But they wasnt

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому +1

      Yup especially if they bought into the system more.

    • @KIDTV-qe2dm
      @KIDTV-qe2dm Рік тому +4

      @@seanlamar29 that's the whole point. They wasn't, but they could've been. They played the pick and roll really well.

    • @patrickm5822
      @patrickm5822 Рік тому +1

      No

  • @smoothjulio
    @smoothjulio Рік тому +17

    I remember being a kid and he was the first player who’s game I really enjoyed. He was strong, had a great handle, consistent shooter and was a winner.
    It’s a shame what happened to his career. But it is what it is. He was a true talent.

  • @rafaelwins1858
    @rafaelwins1858 Рік тому +9

    I loved how Iverson played off getting crossed over by the Franchise Francis( beginning of video)

    • @YellowHaile
      @YellowHaile Рік тому

      Naw he really had to be subbed out. Pay no attention to my name lol, I made this account when I was 13😭

  • @thelegendofBigRay
    @thelegendofBigRay Рік тому +6

    He was a problem 😢then the injuries got him .
    Salute to my man Stunted Growth ... I found this channel during the pandemic and the vibe definitely helped

  • @214silk2
    @214silk2 Рік тому +5

    I used to love that team with him boozer and AK47

  • @LajaHiggins
    @LajaHiggins 5 місяців тому +1

    He had a phenomenal long stretch of basketball. For 7 years he was him.

  • @odaiecolbert6637
    @odaiecolbert6637 Рік тому +4

    My favorite PG in Tha mid 2000s was Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo and deron Williams

  • @donnellm6274
    @donnellm6274 Рік тому +3

    Huge bball fan and never miss the Inside the NBA crew. Chuck used to always say "If Chris Paul is in the drivers seat, Deron Williams is right there in the passenger seat." Damn how things can go downhill!

    • @sharifs649
      @sharifs649 Рік тому

      Honestly at the time I thought deron was better it's crazy how it ended up working out

  • @sirjohnlegion2691
    @sirjohnlegion2691 Рік тому +6

    D Will was my favorite point guard all throughout high school. I was convinced that he was an overall better player than Chris Paul. I never would have thought his decline would come as early as it did. The clear face of the jazz and a top 3 point guard in his early prime. Wish he had bought in to Sloans philosophy whole sale. I think Sloan knew talent wise he had a truly special talent and that D-Will was way more gifted than John Stockton. I believe with one more key roster addition could've taken the Jazz places Stock & Malone couldn't. Or at least got the jazz back to the finals had he stayed in Utah. But Injuries really did slow him down and zap him of his quick twitch movements. Though I was glad to hear he reconciled with Sloan right before his death. Regardless Williams will always be one of my all-time favorite players to watch. Side-note he was a beast to play with on NBA 2k8.

  • @tyrellhillard9925
    @tyrellhillard9925 Рік тому +5

    D-Will was my favorite PG while in the league. I always thought he was snubbed of 2 or 3 more all star appearances. He should’ve had at least 6 All Star Awards. I knew since he was in Utah he wouldn’t get the recognition like players in the big market his early years. I always wanted Utah to go out and get Amar’e Stoudemire. That Utah system was always great for a PG & PF to thrive together. Those 2 could’ve competed in the western conference for at least 6-8 years if things would’ve played out right. It’s no way they wouldn’t have won at least 1 championship in both of their primes. I hated that D-Will didn’t get a ring but he’ll always be regarded as one of the best PG’s to have ever laced them up in my book.

  • @troysmith6190
    @troysmith6190 Рік тому +12

    I really think if he hadn't had his beef with slogan his career would've went very differently I know he had injuries but I think his jazz years were perfect and he was meant to be there

  • @thickchip2694
    @thickchip2694 9 місяців тому

    DWill! My favorite player of all time! Him, Dee Brown, n them guys had my eyes glued to the TV at Illnois n I was only in 2nd grade! Followed him on draft day n been a Jazz fan ever since (unless you wanna count the 3 years I was a Nets fan too) 😂 Sad his career ended sooner than others but he's happy n that's all what really matters! Thank God for allowing me to grow up during your excellence. Will always be my favorite player of all time. Love you DWill!

  • @tarrenceconyers6548
    @tarrenceconyers6548 Рік тому +5

    He had a chance to win a ring in Cleveland but had nothing left

  • @thedoranwilliamsshow6863
    @thedoranwilliamsshow6863 Рік тому +14

    Would like to see Roy Tarpley, Leon Powe, Tom Gougliotta, Martell Webster and Anthony Randolph

  • @coreyweaver4281
    @coreyweaver4281 Рік тому +2

    He had the nastiest crossover when he was Ballin dude...

  • @13kavak13
    @13kavak13 Рік тому +6

    With his stats declining every year maybe the nets should have found a 2nd starter and divided the minutes? Maybe this would have helped his career longevity

  • @Wgz945
    @Wgz945 Рік тому +1

    Definitely one of my favorite players to watch when he was in his prime, I remember him making Jason Terry fall, Steph said he was the hardest point to guard

  • @elmayimbe_the_amateur_mechanic
    @elmayimbe_the_amateur_mechanic Рік тому +20

    Boy was never the same after Jeremy Lin gave him crazy work to put himself on the map 😂😂😂

  • @228sippmiester8
    @228sippmiester8 Рік тому +1

    The fact that Udonis Haslem, PJ Tucker, Garrett Temple all outlasted him is crazy

  • @KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85
    @KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85 Рік тому +5

    He was one of my favorite all time point guards too. I worked with a guy in the navy who met Coach Sloan and explained why Utah drafted DW8 instead of CP3

    • @jameswright7851
      @jameswright7851 Рік тому

      What was his explanation?

    • @KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85
      @KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85 Рік тому +3

      @@jameswright7851 Well he actually told me he saw/met Coach Sloan at a restaurant right before that draft and Coach Sloan said he was choosing Deron because he was a bigger, stockier point guard who had tight handles. I didn't know of his wrestling background until Stunted brought it up but I'm sure that may have played a part also. This guy told me he was one of the first people to hear of Coach Sloan's intentions before mainstream media got hold of it

    • @jameswright7851
      @jameswright7851 Рік тому +1

      Thank you for that reply but it definitely make sense that he was a wrestler seeing how he was built and his ability to handle bumps from front court players.

    • @FirstnameLastname-qb2bg
      @FirstnameLastname-qb2bg Рік тому

      @@KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85 yea I already knew that’s why Utah drafted him. He was a bigger player.

    • @JQUE94
      @JQUE94 Рік тому

      ​@@KnowledgeAndMasterOfSelf85that's understandable especially since Sloan already went the small Point guard route with Stockton and probably saw a different outlook with DWill

  • @DanRyan-th6nm
    @DanRyan-th6nm Рік тому +3

    I am a UNC (bsba) and U of I (mba) alum.
    I have watched that UNC - U of I National Championship Game so many times and can’t help comparing both schools against each other.
    At that time, for the sake of your video, it was Dee Brown who was the face of the Illini. And, I think Luther Head was the top scorer. It was not necessarily obvious that Deron Williams was the best player on the team.
    I also felt that Ray Felton cooked the Illini backcourt in that National Championship Game.
    You say that D Will’s growth was stunted, but he had the best pro career out of everybody in that game: Sean May (MVP), McCants, Marvin Williams, Felton, Head, Dee Brown.
    I also think that Dee Brown should have declared for the draft when his stock was the highest, instead of trying to hold things down by himself in Urbana - Champaign.

  • @carlwallace1129
    @carlwallace1129 Рік тому +3

    Deron Williams was a 20ppg &10 apg nightmare in his prime whom also was a unicorn talent that was my favorite Point Guard in the 21century before his decline.

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому +2

      Yup and an absolute Warrior killer during the We Believe playoffs of 2007.

    • @carlwallace1129
      @carlwallace1129 Рік тому

      @@DMalltheway indeed. He was dynamic and looking like he was in video game mode

  • @DrAverage444
    @DrAverage444 Рік тому +2

    Tony Parker was right there too man he just played in the spurs system. I hate the spurs by the way but Parker is most under rated point guard of my generation by far

    • @anthonypalo8191
      @anthonypalo8191 Рік тому +1

      Agree, he won the most championships among them pgs.. also gave us the teardrop/floater

    • @DrAverage444
      @DrAverage444 Рік тому +1

      @@anthonypalo8191 and had no physical advantage what so ever. No jumper really until late in his career but his first step and his touch around the rim was second to none

    • @timothybogans3905
      @timothybogans3905 Рік тому

      @@DrAverage444 true and he had a lot of drama

  • @brendonwallace6640
    @brendonwallace6640 4 місяці тому

    one of my favorites of all time

  • @oshea72
    @oshea72 Рік тому +1

    Prime deron Williams is my favorite PG of all time. So damn good

  • @lvscpenguin917
    @lvscpenguin917 Рік тому +1

    Been waiting on this one!

  • @BostonBori92
    @BostonBori92 Рік тому +2

    D Will is honestly the embodiment of player/situation and how important it is...Utah was the perfect spot for him and his game Jerry Sloan maxed him out and after he left the Jazz he just never became the star teams expected him to be

    • @averageguy1261
      @averageguy1261 Рік тому +1

      Absolutely spot on. You need the prefect situation. Isaiah Thomas and J. Lin are prime examples.

  • @gfmdayvo409
    @gfmdayvo409 8 місяців тому

    Man I met deron outside the 9 hotel in Cleveland one of my all time favorites cool dude stopped and took a pic ima always support bro 💯

  • @edwardkimakaballislifekim_578
    @edwardkimakaballislifekim_578 Рік тому +1

    Shoutout stunted growth 🔥🔥

  • @Weshinewegrow
    @Weshinewegrow Рік тому +1

    Stephon Marbury’s story would be a dope cover. His rise from Coney Island, SLAM mag, the $15 shoes, Vaseline and falling out of the league to China legend and 4 time champ.

  • @LanceVance81
    @LanceVance81 Рік тому +1

    Deron Williams was the quintessential system player. Should've never beefed with his coach in Utah. Dude got a big head over one flooky ass WCF appearance

  • @mickeyraps
    @mickeyraps Рік тому +1

    *Ron Mercer*
    The jcole line hurt

  • @PoetryJesusY2K
    @PoetryJesusY2K Рік тому +1

    I grew up in Utah and any friends I had who had the opportunity to get close to DWill or even meet him said he was a massive primadonna

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому

      He didn’t want to be in Utah and that was his problem, ego.

  • @Fonzi89
    @Fonzi89 Рік тому +3

    I loved when he had Utah in the playoffs.

  • @dkboyd2422
    @dkboyd2422 Рік тому +3

    Bro he grew up in the Dallas Area, peep the Texas made tat. He never went to school in WV.

  • @stampscapes
    @stampscapes Рік тому +3

    Great vid. It always seemed to me that most Jazz players declined after leaving the team. I thought guys like Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson would have better stats after leaving the team and the roles they were playing in it but seemed like they faded like Williams out of that Jazz system.

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому

      Yup even Boozer got so much better after leaving Cleveland

  • @JXiong-zo8ig
    @JXiong-zo8ig Рік тому

    Man he was good!!!!

  • @HarveyBurks-f7u
    @HarveyBurks-f7u Рік тому

    Yoo Stunted growth I would love to see you do a few videos on Jordan Farmer and Courtney Alexander!

  • @BluJae93
    @BluJae93 Рік тому +1

    He never looked like a basketball player to me but dude was nice

  • @d.jackson2560
    @d.jackson2560 Рік тому +1

    Coach Sloan wanted him to be the next Stockton which wasn’t a bad idea but the league was changing to a faster pace not pick & rolls every possession.

  • @Jonathanfifer00
    @Jonathanfifer00 Рік тому +1

    It used to be a legit debate with him and cp3 at one point that tells u all u need to know

  • @oceancycloneblue5356
    @oceancycloneblue5356 Рік тому +2

    I would like to request tony mitchell who played for Alabama in 09 I think. I always wondered why he didnt make it in the nba.

  • @TheFilmSpace1
    @TheFilmSpace1 Рік тому +1

    He has a great career and made a bag of money 💰 😂 he’s good

  • @MrTonyJ
    @MrTonyJ Рік тому +1

    Andrew Bynum, Isaiah Rider, Greg Monroe

  • @lovinv08
    @lovinv08 Рік тому +9

    He was really good for like 8 years lol not everyone can dominate for 20 years

    • @therealspikeflee
      @therealspikeflee Рік тому +4

      SG thinks everyone was suppose to be a HOFer lol

    • @sharifs649
      @sharifs649 Рік тому

      ​@@therealspikeflee right every undersized that couldn't really shot was stunted somehow

  • @gvldgambino7032
    @gvldgambino7032 Рік тому

    I almost forgot how good d will was, another banger

  • @gangsterofluv2990
    @gangsterofluv2990 Рік тому +4

    Do Frank Mason !! KU let’s go!!!

  • @roddlaflare
    @roddlaflare Рік тому +1

    Great vid.! I love your content, man.
    If possible, could you do one of these guys.?
    Gerald Green, Royce White, or Marquis Daniel.

  • @BUD-TV
    @BUD-TV Рік тому

    That one year with NJ, he was on a mission.

  • @jasonoliver1034
    @jasonoliver1034 5 місяців тому +1

    I see alot of his game in Jamal Murray for some reason 🤔💯

  • @colereviewsyt
    @colereviewsyt Рік тому

    Ain't no way you got this man on stunted growth 😂

  • @RatedKwong1
    @RatedKwong1 Рік тому

    my fav PG growing up,

  • @yigyountry
    @yigyountry Рік тому

    i remember as a kid finding out he has his own shoe, i was in awe. i thought only Mj and Kobe had that but i put the tape on and was like ok he’s deserving 😂🤝

  • @bretcheesman-wf4sz
    @bretcheesman-wf4sz Рік тому

    "...He's on record saying how much of a culture shock moving himself & his children to new York was, he's on record saying how much of a culture shock moving himself & his children to new York city was..."
    🤣

  • @TheFilmSpace1
    @TheFilmSpace1 Рік тому

    Beast !!

  • @platinumboy89
    @platinumboy89 Рік тому +1

    I agree on most things but except that you mention him being i West Virginia, but he spent the majority of his childhood in Texas.

  • @hmohngcheelee7549
    @hmohngcheelee7549 Рік тому

    Loving the uploads ! Keep up the good work!

  • @russellwalters4283
    @russellwalters4283 Рік тому

    One of the great 😊

  • @LoLo-vw4ss
    @LoLo-vw4ss Рік тому +2

    Him and baron Davis bully ball love how they played from pg position injuries are unpredictable

  • @everythingbyjohn
    @everythingbyjohn Рік тому

    Man this was my guy.

  • @jfk8678
    @jfk8678 Рік тому +1

    People might laugh at me but Dwill is my favorite nba player of ALL TIME! funny but yeah

  • @alexallen126
    @alexallen126 Рік тому +1

    I met D Will at a bowling tournament in Denton Texas. Random asf

  • @TheAlmightyClipse
    @TheAlmightyClipse Рік тому

    His hair made the biggest comeback though!!!! I wonder if had a hair transplant in Turkey, considering he played for Besiktas..

  • @snigglestraggletheatre1749
    @snigglestraggletheatre1749 Рік тому

    Perfect title because he did his thing and made his mark. Overachieved you can say

  • @theframeworknetwork
    @theframeworknetwork Рік тому +1

    Would like to see a video on Michael Redd.

  • @greenricee
    @greenricee Рік тому

    my fav player growing up. its a shame everything fell apart after Brooklyn.

  • @CHICANO1975
    @CHICANO1975 Рік тому +1

    I'd like to see a stunted growth om Anderson Hunt.

    • @CHICANO1975
      @CHICANO1975 Рік тому

      Saw that you ALREADY made a vide on Anderson Hunt. 🤣

  • @HarveyBurks-f7u
    @HarveyBurks-f7u Рік тому

    @stunnedgrowth I would love to see videos on Jordan Farmer and Courtney Alexander

  • @kingjulien9525
    @kingjulien9525 Рік тому +3

    0:38 S. Francis did A.I dirty 😷🤣😂 Delete that footage lol

    • @BLACK_MikeHammer
      @BLACK_MikeHammer Рік тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂
      I think Stevie Franchise might have had a cleaner and deadlier crossover than AI.
      AI palmed the ball a lot, Francis just used a whole lot of body and head movements to freeze you..
      It was a thing of beauty to watch

  • @swiftmillie9677
    @swiftmillie9677 Рік тому +1

    I wish you do a Michael Redd the Next Ray Allen
    His game was different

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому

      Michael Redd was a 2nd round pick, he did way more than what was expected of him.

    • @swiftmillie9677
      @swiftmillie9677 Рік тому

      @@DMalltheway Bit it’s Stunned Growth once he got to becoming an all star his growth was stunned
      I wanted to hear his version of Y

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому

      @@swiftmillie9677 It’s not stunted growth one bit, he got a big contract almost no 2nd rounder gets compared to 1st round draft picks and overall reached a higher peak than expected, more like a spurted growth.

  • @DMalltheway
    @DMalltheway Рік тому +1

    Don’t ever get into petty arguments with one of the best coaches in NBA history even if he didn’t have any titles.

  • @Sweat404
    @Sweat404 Рік тому

    D-Will! One of my favorite players, I’m about the same age as him so grew up following his career. I also like his game because like me he’s a stocky point guard.
    My suggestion is Chandler Parsons.

  • @mreincome
    @mreincome Рік тому

    U gotta be cooking up a epic Ja Morant episode at this point smfh

  • @MDChothen
    @MDChothen Рік тому +1

    Actually Illinois lost to Ohio State in the Big Ten tournament. Then they lost to the Seán May UNC team in the Natty

  • @ayekew
    @ayekew Рік тому

    Still my fav player

  • @constablekennedy7705
    @constablekennedy7705 Рік тому +1

    I just remember him for when Blake Griffin Stuffed his Slam Dunk Attempt …… 💀. 👀. 🏀

  • @1fbaby
    @1fbaby Рік тому +1

    i been asking you for years to do bo mccaleb

  • @taylormulletti7035
    @taylormulletti7035 Рік тому

    Deron Williams grew up in Dallas Texas

  • @jelorer
    @jelorer Рік тому

    injury problems, weight problems age, in the most competitive position

  • @colereviewsyt
    @colereviewsyt Рік тому

    This actually makes me think about AK47. He was a dawg too

  • @paigem2127
    @paigem2127 Рік тому

    Next stunted growth ! Al Jefferson

  • @creoleDJ
    @creoleDJ Рік тому

    Hard to imagine that no other team wanted to take a chance on him after his Brooklyn run..

  • @devondawkins5492
    @devondawkins5492 Рік тому

    This was my favorite 2K player after Kobe. 20 & 10 easily

  • @OwnLaneShii
    @OwnLaneShii Рік тому

    The picture of dude flexing 💀😂

  • @RacingHeartMedia
    @RacingHeartMedia Рік тому

    D Will was a DAWG

  • @cashcronicles3161
    @cashcronicles3161 Рік тому

    Swear i wanted to dribble like DWill so bad when i was in hs lls

  • @mauriceross1464
    @mauriceross1464 Рік тому

    Killer, Champaign,IL fighting illni

  • @thedoranwilliamsshow6863
    @thedoranwilliamsshow6863 Рік тому +1

    Great name 😊

  • @johnr.7906
    @johnr.7906 8 місяців тому

    He was great, to gone overnight....

  • @BUD-TV
    @BUD-TV Рік тому +1

    Have you done a Tyreke Evans one yet? I watch ya content but not sure if I ran across it.