The problem is , who cares about her point.. you are a nobody and I gave you a shot on my tour.. simple as that.. thats what I got you ment.. not that you'll receive the same treatment but you get a shot.. bihh show up on tour broke.. why do girls think they can go places with no money
They understood Cleo’s POV they disagreed with it cause this is a business deal. Not yo home girl inviting you to bar and paying. She looked at it completely wrong in their eyes.
They understood the point. But Joe was explaining the reality of the situation versus the perception, primarily based off of the friendship aspect. Let's be real, there is big money involved with tours. None of the executives give two rats tails about Ice Spice's "I got you" friendship/acquaintance pact. That isn't going to recoup their money.
I wish yall had the Cleo and ice spice situation right! Cleo’s bag was in ice room and ice kicked everybody out when Cleo came back her back was outside the door and someone used her card for $700 worth of clothes
Not to mention they All went out to dinner in secret and left the hairstylist, makeup artist and Cleo & wouldn’t let her mom come backstage & she wasn’t payed!😑
So if Ice Spice knew she wasn’t going to pay for her, why didn’t she just say “hey girl I got an extra bus if you want to come tour with me but you have to pay your way. Is that cool?” It’s a pretty simple conversation
Cause she wants shorty sauce!! Her black credentials. Spice is going on like this cause she high time yellow and she gets support cause of that. She will continue to be mean it is not the first and it won’t be the last.
@@tyrantmaloka1273 not every opportunity work but to get in your feelings and and try to expose someone you say is your Best friend is corny and weird and that's how you block your next blessing
Joe talked about the Cleo and spice situation all wrong. Cleo charged it to the game, the issue with her was how Ice reacted to certain things and how she was being petty and passive aggressive. She said she would pay the security guard, pay for her own room, she was paying for her own food. they need more info before speaking on certain topics. Or at least have a gen z correspondent lol
If she was paying or would pay for all that she didn’t need to complain. None of that should’ve been an issue b/c her team should’ve had all that arranged with Spice team. This is a biz who carries your luggage where u sleep what u eat on tour is your teams issue
Yall mentioned $700 during the ice spice and Cleo segment. Cleo wasn’t mad that she had to spend $700. Someone took her card from her bag and charged $700 worth of clothes. Her point was luckily that wasn’t her last $700. For some ppl that would have been all they had to their name. She disputed the charge and went on about her day. ITS THE PRINCIPLE THO!
@@artsupplydonate4267 no!! Ice shouldn’t have promised anything! Ice over promised! Ice was in NO POSITION to say “I got you.” And when she realized that she didn’t know how to communicate it to Cleo. They both are new to entertainment. Especially touring! There was already a budget in place that did not include Cleo.
Frfr he gives off that middle school boy likes popular middle school girl and tries to throw verbal love taps. Shiids disturbing how often he does that to her. Bro has a crush on her for sure.
I am binge watching this podcast, i stopped watching after a while. And started back this month. I didn’t realize how much i missed this podcast until recently! Production, conversation, Aura, Everything is amazing. Even though I’m still trying to adjust to flip. It is absolutely an amazing come up. Keep going! Never stop this is real podcasting.
@@kidCashOnline we get it from a business perspective, but y’all not tryna see that this was simply a misunderstanding from both parties. Cleo didn’t know anything about touring, and she didn’t expect her friend to be a colorist with some of her words. Spice didn’t know that Cleo didn’t comprehend that she was on her own on tour. It’s very simple but nikkas not being open minded
Because a lot of times when people have already had their hazing, they can't wait to clown the next person instead of helping. The girl would have had no problem either paying for food or a hotel room if she knew she had to. If she was told her back was had, that's all she knew. Yes she messed up on the business end. But all she was complaining about was that someone could have explained something to her. Cleo needs to learn how to shorten her videos and get straight to the point. I think because her videos were so long, some people start not caring and halfway paying attention. Her posts were not about expecting the same thing that I spice had, they were more on I don't know what's going on and nobody at least try to explain anything to me. Nobody even said girl talk to your manager. Just because everybody else knows that's what she should have done...... She obviously didn't. I'm sure that if all that was explained to her she would not have made that video.
I’m disgusted at the amount of misinformation, misquoting, & name calling. They described Cleo in such a negative light which doesn’t represent her viewpoint at all.
That's means all 3 of yall been on tours before...cuz it would be weird if yall had opinions wit no experience....just word of mouth from the victim....
Lol yeah a unsuccessful musician in youtube comments would know more than joe, you women are way too emotional you just tried to discredit their stance cuz you emotional
As an independent artist who’s toured the country for 20 years at colleges and universities and I appreciate the conversation about how touring works. I’ve had mad homies ask to hop on a leg but weren’t ready for the mental, spiritual and financial commitment of hitting the road to tour. It’s real work!!!! 🎤🎤🎤
And that's the point, you advised your friends or knew them and their situation well enough to know they weren't ready. It doesn't sound like Cleo was ever "clearly" advised of what to expect(or not expect) from the tour.
You’re surprised she doesn’t know what’s going on..? Nor does she have any review feedback on any music..she’s not as smart as she portrays, she says big words here and there and that’s about it
Let's stop with the shenanigans she was a video girl in the 90s and got two movies under her belt. I think more doors would have opened up for her if the talent was there.
You guys all are horrible today. Everybody except Ish was trying to have an understanding other than what Joe fed you guys. She called her one day before said I got you and I want you to perform. She wasn’t tripping off the rooms. She stayed in rooms with her make up artist. And a lot of the stops it wasn’t access to food so easily. They were purposely leaving her out when they went to go eat and she was like hey kid, we go or stop at McDonald’s what are you guys talking about? They purposely threw her purse out of dressing room and stole her money GTFOH! Joe never heard the point that it wasn’t just a performance thing she invited her as a friend.
The way they ignored ALL of this information… like where did they get the cliff notes version of this story because they missed hella details & reframed the story like Cleo is some entitled brat.
Its as if y'all are just discovering the concept of business. "purposely leaving her out when they went out to eat" this sounds like the most self centered, self righteous shit I've ever heard. Have you considered Cleo is not th e center of attention and niggas on tour bring their "friends" all the time but you're not expected to be pampered and treated like the actual star..... hello? Half of that shit is "he said ,she said", and given the clout she's gained from it, she has direct motivations to if not lie, embellish the truth. So yea, id ignore
Nobody care! They not real friends she gave her an opportunity to change her life point blank!!!! Hustle and get your bread up if you wanna make it if not u getting left. She could’ve said NO
ISH Is the only one that understood where Cleo was coming from. SHE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE HAD A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING, but I am not going to dog her because she was naive
That’s not how it goes for opening acts tho lol coming from someone who’s worked in the industry since 2014. They want to see how you work with less before the give you more (or anything at all)
@@Wasdeepvoiceroyce The music industry is not a great bar fair business practice Requesting someone do a job for free or expecting them to pay their own expenses when the U.S tax system is literally setup to accommodate this is a scam, a MLM, or as it used to be known slavery If anything happened to that girl while performing or travelling Ice Spice's team is 100% culpable, is the emotional distress she suffered and resulting social media fallout worth a chicken salad? The expenses are really set in stone, put her on per diem until you recoup end of the tour
@@xemman18 Ice Spice's team organized the transportation, hotels and events she was invited to, they are liable Even if she was a guest. But, she was told to perform and expected to be at the venue at a specified time
I love the fact Joe rock with Jeawon, I love seeing when the young generation hang around the older oness. There is a lot of gems you can pick up doing that.
nah, they did miss anything and from what im gathering, you people just want a reason to hate bc you can't cope with the reality that someone you don't like wasn't completely in the wrong. That cleo girl doesn't seem to understand that she's in a business and that business comes first before any friendship. It also is clear she based most of her decisions purely off assumptions rather than asking clarifying questions- again, this is a business.
I bet you'd understand if Cleo and Ice were male rappers having the same back and forth. No one would be whining about the friendship. No one would defend barging into another person's hotel room. No one would be talking about colorism. It would be simple: The industry is like this, stop crying, learn and move on.
@@Runthemjewels I shouldn’t even reply to any of yall because it reads that you all also didn’t Listen to that girls whole story. Only thing wrong that Cleo did was go back on the tour when she left for her video shoot. She wouldn’t be dealing with any of this. I don’t listen to none of them girls music , I do know when people are trying to play me for a fucking fool though! - that’s what That Ice spice and her MGMt Jerry - Jason w.e that guy name is was doing. Glad we don’t know one another IRL any of us 😄 yall like to baxkdoor ya ppls
That’s it & that’s all. But more importantly how you act like that’s your friend & you for her but then act hella shady & passive aggressive towards her. No communication at all. They retold this story hella wrong…
They're providing too much cover for Ice Spice. The first thing we must point out about Spice is that she's different than most artists on their first tour. She has major(top tier) endorsements deals and has been collecting expansive booking fees for years. She's not broke like a lot of new touring artists. It would take Ice Spice less than ten minutes to find her homegirl someone to share a room with nightly and make sure her homegirl don't starve. If you're not willing to do that as a friend, you're a terrible person. Especially when you only gave them a days notice about the tour.
too many ppl think its supposed to be so sweet n easy for these up & coming artists ... not everything gon be comfortable and given to you even if the main artists is your "friend" ... no unknown male artist would get online complaining about what Ice's friend is complaining about bc they arent conditioned to be entitled like this cleopatra girl
That is not her job Do ya’ll not get how business works! When she invited you your first job is to call ya mgr and have them talk to her mgr. As an artist u gotta know it’s business or u won’t make it It’s not like they were on good terms and hanging out all day It’s not like she’s signed to Ice And Cleo even said she didn’t know ice like that to defend where her dad was from which was their original Issue
If any of my friend’s invite me someplace wether it’s as simple as a dinner or a whole vacation, I would make sure I was able to afford it unless my friend said “its on me” but even if they said that, I would still make sure I’m able to pay for whatever may come happen.
Cleopatra really said you told me you got me a day before, how was I supposed to be prepared to pay for nights at 5 star hotels? A lot of yall wouldn’t have it either, let’s be honest!
Good she went and keep her mouth closed until the end and it got her another gig with azelia. And it showed the real real on how spice be moving out here Drake like
@@zabriangreen5426She said no initially because she thought she was just being invited just to be there as part of her entourage essentially. She declined to focus on her career, but Ice said “No I want you to perform”. So Cleo was like “Ohhhh okay” (because it helps her career).
58:33 Mel maybe don’t talk if you’re not versed on the topic? Because she did have the conversation with Ice and she called her a bum and career-less …
Spot on. Let him come back acting all tough clearing his throat pressing them about what they said next pod he's going to start catching strays while he's there not only when he's gone😂
days before the rodeo is why I started listening to Travis, the best tape he EVER did! Every single song is heat, you can just let it run, kick back and relax. 💪🏼
Nooo, the way Joe explained the Ice Spice situation was totally off. It came across as one-sided and wrong! He’s trying to tiptoe around the issue. That’s not how Cleo described it at all. She was willing to pay for her things, but was just met with so much hostility from Ice Spice and her team .
She's a new artist who has to pay her diligence and should have it rough her first tour. Ice spice is doing her no favors by inviting her on your and then babying her into a successful career.
She wasn’t willing to pay if she didn’t pay she was on tour for a month at some point if I wanted some one to Cary my bags I would have had my label fly security out I would made sure I had a room instead of sharing one with my friend every night she was taken care of for the most part but that’s not how budgets work when labels are involved I think Ice over extended what she could do and it turned into a problem AND she’s a shady bitch lol
No they were just being realistic. Y’all are consumers and are looking at this from a consumer perspective. Ice gave her a LIFE CHANGING opportunity point BLANK! Artists struggle on tour alllllll the time
Y'all got the Ice spice vs Cleo thing so wrong...the thing is Cleo would have paid if she was told ahead of time but don't tell me to come somewhere ,where you didn't even tell me when yall was eating...they left her, the makeup artist, and the hair stylist at the hotel while they all went to eat something ata steak house and left them to starve...Ice spice was nasty asf to her...she asked Cleo to go on tour, cleo to Ice no cuz its to last min and Ice insisted she went, to in return treat me like shyt and leave me to starve when I get there...1 day to prepare!!!!!! Ish was the only one to get it right actually understand...like she said I could have stayed home like she wanted to...Melyssa you was loud and wrong, Joe you left out so much in a story....
Exactly they need to stop playing in Cleo’s face because they literally shaped the story to make Cleo look like a bum or a user just like ice spice that’s trash
You are 100,000% right. Ice was a terrible person scratch being a friend she was a terrible person to her. Cleo asked what do I need to pay for and I’ve said don’t worry about it I got you. Cleo was wronged but she isn’t the victim she hurt herself when she didn’t call her manager when I’ve told her come on tour. She had a day to prepare and if she wanted to go she should have gave her team 20 hours to prepare for her. Even having her an assistant the management should have gave her enough funds for a sprinter so she could travel behind Ice’s bus, money to stay at a hotel, and money to eat.
@@ayoung855wish they had you to summarize for them since they were too lazy to actually watch the vids 😭 that whole segment was nonsense from everyone but ish
Regarding the Cleo situation soooo much was left out. Cleo asked her how much money she would need, and Ice told her she was "good." That's the issue. Please stop reporting on things when you don't know all the facts. Ice literally "iced" her out the entire time. They left her on the tour bus by herself for hours while they went out to get food.... that's not "show business" or "tour life." They were throwing out her bags and leaving them on the ground. That's not "industry shit." She asked HER to come on tour, not the other way around. To invite someone to travel across the country with you and then drag them through hell because she brought up an issue with her luggage? Sometimes y'all are really on point, but this ain't one of those times, friends. And the fact y'all are so easily taking Ice's side is CRAZYYYYYY. But of course, when a dark-skinned woman says something, she's wrong and it's her "fault." Stop the BS. And she did address her privately. And Ice called her "ungrateful," said she was a "bum." Like this beyond foul. And Mel, I'm especially disappointed in you. But it's possibly because it's easy to take the side of someone who looks like you. Do better. All of you.
I was so disappointed in her take. She clearly only formed her opinion based on information that she was fed by Joe. I don’t expect him to understand female micro-aggression but Mel smh. Lost so much credibility.
@@jemariamarie8931 you said this so well. It’s crazy how you can get the completely wrong information from people, trust what they’re saying is fact & then just go with it. Mel knows how toxic or ignorant about women issues they are so why would she just take things at face value? It didn’t even seem like she was questioning much to really gather the info. She heard a few things & took off with it, like huh?
I agree with Ish on the discussion about touring. The less known artist is unfamiliar with the tour guide lines and it should have clearly explained what was included in the tour, ie hotel, food.
Flip: my wife was watching so i couldn't do what I wanted to do... Flip on the last pod: i keep my wedding ring in a box to Cherish it What could you possibly want to do in Joe's party that your Wife can't see? Right at the start, his creepy comments about Mel and drinking 🤯 gots to go.
Lmfao yall are wrong again someone stole 700 from her off her card after her back was placed outside the room lord plz stop covering shit without all the facts
Oh is she always like this?? I’m pretty new to the pod, I’ve only listened to like 3-4 episodes & it was mainly during the Kendrick/Drake beef. I thought Mel was all female empowerment… is she a pick-me?
I guess if it’s about sundress’s she’ll write a fucking essay. I’m sure it’s hard being the only female with a group of men but girl get some fucking backbone and when it comes to topics about women at least have an opinion based on facts and not what the man tells you your opinion is. Don’t just be the silent pretty face that they prop up and pretend to be impressed with. Make them respect your mind like they respect you dancing on stage. Foh Represent don’t be a damn seat filler.
There definitely was a miscommunication problem with Ice Spice and Cleotrapa, along with some other things. For one when I listened to Cleo's video I immediately got that there may be a different perception of friendship level between these two women. What Cleo described sounded like they was industry friends which to me might as well equal acquaintances. Also didn't Cleo say that her and Spice had an issue over the Ice Spice being Nigerian thing? So if Cleo already knew Ice could be shady behind something so petty why would she just take Ice for her word? They were not besties, they were industry friends there is a difference. Besides that business should always be separated from friendship. Remove the emotions, handle the business first. Regardless of last minute there should've been manager to manager conversation and clarification. From what Cleo said she has management. Well let's be truthful. Her management failed her. Because somebody on her team should've said hey, I think this tour is a no go for Cleo until we lock down the particulars. And yes, Ice Spice should've made it clearer. But let's be adults. It was also Cleo's responsibilty to go way beyond that "I got you", before she even left NYC. Not when you about to leave money on the table back home for an unpaid, unsure deal. No offense but as soon as Cleo started talking she sounded like my nephew who says that everybody and their grandma is "family" or his bff. Sorry, but this new generation uses the friends and family terms way too loosely. Business over emotions. Get out of your feelings and handle business.
I like that quote, “he gotta find what the bop looks like as he evolve” I needed that cause that’s where I am. And this just the missing question or statement I needed to know where and HOW to look for it. Got it now 🙏🏿
So the moral of the story is have a contract before you leave, and if you don't know anything you are going to get clowned because you don't know. Stop acting like she is expecting something that she knew she wasn't going to get. If you have never experienced a tour and no one has told you how it works, in someone says don't worry I got you, MORALLY IT IS DISGUSTING TO TREAT THEM THAT WAY. ICE DID NOT HAVE TO SNAP ON CLEO LIKE THAT. ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS SAY "NICELY" MY SECURITY IS ONLY GOING TO DO FOR ME YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR YOURS. What Ice did was akin to someone saying don't worry about it you can come stay with me for a few days.... Then starts telling other people that they don't know why you're there and you're getting on their nerves. . I understand sometimes you have to learn things. You will make mistakes. The Cleo clearly kept saying throughout the video this was her first tour and she didn't understand. NO ONE TOLD HER ANY OF THE THINGS AT ANY POINT THROUGHOUT THE TOUR, THEN SHE COMES HOME AND EXPRESSES HOW SHE FEELS, AND SHE GETS PRETTY MUCH CALLED DONKEY OF THE DAY. I hope the next time any of you for naive on something that you get treated in the same fashion. And when you try to express yourself people just say you're dumb. My opinion and I don't care about replies.
Cleos dj said when they had a reservation for dinner and when they were supposed to perform their names weren’t even listed anywhere. He also said Cleo’s manager tried to get Cleo a slice of pizza from the back and was told the pizza was for Ice spice’s team only, despite there being 15+ boxes.
I definitely see where Cleo may have gone wrong business wise, and having general/surface level outsiders knowledge on new artists touring, but Joe implied that he spent his morning tuning into what was going on, yet he failed to properly convey what Cleo was saying.
FLIP BE WORRIED ABOUT MEL WAY TO MUCH TO BE MARRIED.
Yeah it’s a little weird ……but he a lame out of the group anyway.
I feel like he's protective like my brothers and fellas that deem me their little sis.
he's obsessed. he has a serious crush on her and nobody on the pod calls it out enough
@@LoveGraham18 Dude got jealous when Mel had a normal ass, civil conversation with Marc Lamont Hill. He's creepy and obsessed.
Been saying this forever 😂‼️ yk he ain’t never get no hoes
Rest In Peace to Fatman Scoop
Rip RICH HOMIE QUAN
Ish was the only one who actually comprehended cleos point of view
Right everybody else was acting privileged
The problem is , who cares about her point.. you are a nobody and I gave you a shot on my tour.. simple as that.. thats what I got you ment.. not that you'll receive the same treatment but you get a shot.. bihh show up on tour broke.. why do girls think they can go places with no money
I said the same thing lol
They understood Cleo’s POV they disagreed with it cause this is a business deal. Not yo home girl inviting you to bar and paying. She looked at it completely wrong in their eyes.
They understood the point. But Joe was explaining the reality of the situation versus the perception, primarily based off of the friendship aspect. Let's be real, there is big money involved with tours. None of the executives give two rats tails about Ice Spice's "I got you" friendship/acquaintance pact. That isn't going to recoup their money.
I bet ish and ak were bonding over drake for 40minutes at that party
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or money
Facts 😂😂😂
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Thats a fact 😂
I wish yall had the Cleo and ice spice situation right! Cleo’s bag was in ice room and ice kicked everybody out when Cleo came back her back was outside the door and someone used her card for $700 worth of clothes
Literally like did they watch the video even??
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Not to mention they All went out to dinner in secret and left the hairstylist, makeup artist and Cleo & wouldn’t let her mom come backstage & she wasn’t payed!😑
@domoniquepolk5504 she wasn't supposed to get paid....all she's there for is promotion of self.
@@xemman18 duh I was just letting it be known🫤
So if Ice Spice knew she wasn’t going to pay for her, why didn’t she just say “hey girl I got an extra bus if you want to come tour with me but you have to pay your way. Is that cool?”
It’s a pretty simple conversation
Cause she wants shorty sauce!! Her black credentials. Spice is going on like this cause she high time yellow and she gets support cause of that. She will continue to be mean it is not the first and it won’t be the last.
She gave her an opportunity to further her career
@@shawdiparker512i don't think the opportunity worked though
😂you know that conversation goes both ways
@@tyrantmaloka1273 not every opportunity work but to get in your feelings and and try to expose someone you say is your Best friend is corny and weird and that's how you block your next blessing
"44 & I'm still messy....i thought it would change."
-Joe Budden 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao Joseph nwa budden 😂 you a problem
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Joe talked about the Cleo and spice situation all wrong. Cleo charged it to the game, the issue with her was how Ice reacted to certain things and how she was being petty and passive aggressive. She said she would pay the security guard, pay for her own room, she was paying for her own food. they need more info before speaking on certain topics. Or at least have a gen z correspondent lol
I'm not up on this situation that much but it does sound like they are missing context
Yeah they got that all wrong
lets not forget the colorism. and the fact fake spice needed a black friend to look black
@@PopOutPaulie purposely missing or by accident, look like they tried to protect ice. 😂😂😂
If she was paying or would pay for all that she didn’t need to complain.
None of that should’ve been an issue b/c her team should’ve had all that arranged with Spice team.
This is a biz who carries your luggage where u sleep what u eat on tour is your teams issue
Thursdays at work go by so much faster thanks to this pod! Stay blessed y'all.
Facts
Yall mentioned $700 during the ice spice and Cleo segment. Cleo wasn’t mad that she had to spend $700. Someone took her card from her bag and charged $700 worth of clothes. Her point was luckily that wasn’t her last $700. For some ppl that would have been all they had to their name. She disputed the charge and went on about her day. ITS THE PRINCIPLE THO!
Cleo needs to get her own tour to see how business works. That's what yall missing
@@artsupplydonate4267 no!! Ice shouldn’t have promised anything! Ice over promised! Ice was in NO POSITION to say “I got you.” And when she realized that she didn’t know how to communicate it to Cleo. They both are new to entertainment. Especially touring! There was already a budget in place that did not include Cleo.
@@sade_dw u wasn't there to say what happened or what someone said, yall to invested to know nothing
@@Deemo7373 unlike everybody else making think pieces I watched all parts of the story.
@@sade_dw a story from the side u chose to believe
Flip telling Mel about her behavior at Joe's bday party-- "Soon as you walked in you had a drink....and you WOULDN'T STOP." 🍸 😂😂😂😂
He is obsessed with Mel, and that's very annoying
She’s a lush and acts sadittie
@@ZVYWMx bro what
@@wearetheworld21 she's mid and acts schimiddydo
Frfr he gives off that middle school boy likes popular middle school girl and tries to throw verbal love taps. Shiids disturbing how often he does that to her. Bro has a crush on her for sure.
that segment about joe and his girl after the party was classic... when him and flip get in those jokes this pod undefeated. classic lol
the way joe described the situation was wrong but i expected him to not get it. the point is she was disrespected by ice spice as a friend
Yeah and we all know joes stance on respecting friends .
as a friend yes, as a business partner no - both had points
@@tikea3494 not delivering on your promises as a business partner is a failure too
I am binge watching this podcast, i stopped watching after a while. And started back this month. I didn’t realize how much i missed this podcast until recently! Production, conversation, Aura, Everything is amazing. Even though I’m still trying to adjust to flip. It is absolutely an amazing come up. Keep going! Never stop this is real podcasting.
im addicted to The Joe Budden Podcast
me 2 love joe i love new york swag💯
Why is Ish the only one who gets Cleo perspective. They’re not listening lol
The same could be said for yall tho, yall don't wanna hear nor care for ice spice perspective
Business don’t give a fuck about girl code
@@kidCashOnline we get it from a business perspective, but y’all not tryna see that this was simply a misunderstanding from both parties. Cleo didn’t know anything about touring, and she didn’t expect her friend to be a colorist with some of her words. Spice didn’t know that Cleo didn’t comprehend that she was on her own on tour. It’s very simple but nikkas not being open minded
Because a lot of times when people have already had their hazing, they can't wait to clown the next person instead of helping.
The girl would have had no problem either paying for food or a hotel room if she knew she had to. If she was told her back was had, that's all she knew.
Yes she messed up on the business end. But all she was complaining about was that someone could have explained something to her.
Cleo needs to learn how to shorten her videos and get straight to the point. I think because her videos were so long, some people start not caring and halfway paying attention.
Her posts were not about expecting the same thing that I spice had, they were more on I don't know what's going on and nobody at least try to explain anything to me.
Nobody even said girl talk to your manager. Just because everybody else knows that's what she should have done...... She obviously didn't.
I'm sure that if all that was explained to her she would not have made that video.
Cleo was 100% correct
Y’all need to bring back the graphics showing what’s being talked about. Did it a couple episodes ago
They were so wrong on the Cleo situation I had to fast forward
I’m disgusted at the amount of misinformation, misquoting, & name calling. They described Cleo in such a negative light which doesn’t represent her viewpoint at all.
Yes they're sooooo off its wild
That's means all 3 of yall been on tours before...cuz it would be weird if yall had opinions wit no experience....just word of mouth from the victim....
They were spot on, it’s business and ice spice gave her an opportunity, point blank.
Lol yeah a unsuccessful musician in youtube comments would know more than joe, you women are way too emotional you just tried to discredit their stance cuz you emotional
Love isnt tolerating someone...love is unconditional
Ice clears his throat and nothing changes. Love it when Joe does his impersonation of him😅
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Nah that whole little segment got me dead !!! Flip said ish look at his phone and turn his shit off. 😂
I always said he sounds like the cookie monster 😂😂
That shit had me hella weak! 😂
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As an independent artist who’s toured the country for 20 years at colleges and universities and I appreciate the conversation about how touring works. I’ve had mad homies ask to hop on a leg but weren’t ready for the mental, spiritual and financial commitment of hitting the road to tour. It’s real work!!!! 🎤🎤🎤
And that's the point, you advised your friends or knew them and their situation well enough to know they weren't ready. It doesn't sound like Cleo was ever "clearly" advised of what to expect(or not expect) from the tour.
Im disappointed with Mel in that Cleo v. Ice Spice take. She didn’t do her research and followed the crowd. Salut to Ish for standing on business.
You’re surprised she doesn’t know what’s going on..? Nor does she have any review feedback on any music..she’s not as smart as she portrays, she says big words here and there and that’s about it
Research? She has EXPERIENCE
honestly. she’s always mute but now she wanna go off? i wonder what made her have so much energy for cleo.
Joes been on tour. None of you have been on tour. But you know more than the people who have had that experience irl. 😂😂
Let's stop with the shenanigans she was a video girl in the 90s and got two movies under her belt. I think more doors would have opened up for her if the talent was there.
Joe, Cleo did NOT say she had to spend $700! She said someone used her mf card for $700!!! Tffff
What was Joe listening to?
@@Lamya0910he wasn’t listening that’s the problem.
Now she know karma
You guys all are horrible today. Everybody except Ish was trying to have an understanding other than what Joe fed you guys. She called her one day before said I got you and I want you to perform. She wasn’t tripping off the rooms. She stayed in rooms with her make up artist. And a lot of the stops it wasn’t access to food so easily. They were purposely leaving her out when they went to go eat and she was like hey kid, we go or stop at McDonald’s what are you guys talking about? They purposely threw her purse out of dressing room and stole her money GTFOH! Joe never heard the point that it wasn’t just a performance thing she invited her as a friend.
The way they ignored ALL of this information… like where did they get the cliff notes version of this story because they missed hella details & reframed the story like Cleo is some entitled brat.
Its as if y'all are just discovering the concept of business. "purposely leaving her out when they went out to eat" this sounds like the most self centered, self righteous shit I've ever heard. Have you considered Cleo is not th e center of attention and niggas on tour bring their "friends" all the time but you're not expected to be pampered and treated like the actual star..... hello? Half of that shit is "he said ,she said", and given the clout she's gained from it, she has direct motivations to if not lie, embellish the truth. So yea, id ignore
Joe told the story wrong so he left room for misinterpretation. Which is annoying.
It’s not their management’s responsibility to be organizing her food/hotels/bags/makeup room. She is not in the budget!
Nobody care! They not real friends she gave her an opportunity to change her life point blank!!!! Hustle and get your bread up if you wanna make it if not u getting left. She could’ve said NO
ISH Is the only one that understood where Cleo was coming from.
SHE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE HAD A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING, but I am not going to dog her because she was naive
That's how the music industry works. Ish is niave to the business that's why he agrees with her
L take on Ice & Cleo. The larger management team has the size and capacity to write off her expenses, if they didn't they should not have invited her
Right...OR they should have told her prior to even going.
That’s not how it goes for opening acts tho lol coming from someone who’s worked in the industry since 2014. They want to see how you work with less before the give you more (or anything at all)
@@Wasdeepvoiceroyce The music industry is not a great bar fair business practice
Requesting someone do a job for free or expecting them to pay their own expenses when the U.S tax system is literally setup to accommodate this is a scam, a MLM, or as it used to be known slavery
If anything happened to that girl while performing or travelling Ice Spice's team is 100% culpable, is the emotional distress she suffered and resulting social media fallout worth a chicken salad?
The expenses are really set in stone, put her on per diem until you recoup end of the tour
Didn't ice spice inv her? It wasn't the management team.
@@xemman18 Ice Spice's team organized the transportation, hotels and events she was invited to, they are liable
Even if she was a guest. But, she was told to perform and expected to be at the venue at a specified time
50 Cent rambles in every interview & never stays on topic & ppl call him a genius for it 😂
Facts lol
BIGGGG BLUNTS ROLLED. BIG CUP OF COFFEEE. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
I read this in Joe's voice 😂
And kids are in school !!!! Definitely enjoying this 😂
@@Lu-pw2eo I said it in his voice 😂😂
@@Gnj2017 no kids 🥰
I just wanna be alive and present when Flip and Mel get their official intro on the Pod
Lmaoooo! Straight up
Sadly if flip leaving next year it’ll prolly just be Mel getting a drop I’d say prolly top of next year or as a “Podcast Christmas Gift” lol
Its a sign to me why add a new intro, if its not going to br permanent.
That won’t ever happen
I love the fact Joe rock with Jeawon, I love seeing when the young generation hang around the older oness. There is a lot of gems you can pick up doing that.
They made me wish I was at Joe party! Sounds like a vibe!!!
The way yall missed the whole point of the Cleo ice spice thing is crazy lol
Definitely missed the point
Stop it it's no one's business to teach you business all that friend talk is irrelevant 😊
nah, they did miss anything and from what im gathering, you people just want a reason to hate bc you can't cope with the reality that someone you don't like wasn't completely in the wrong. That cleo girl doesn't seem to understand that she's in a business and that business comes first before any friendship. It also is clear she based most of her decisions purely off assumptions rather than asking clarifying questions- again, this is a business.
I bet you'd understand if Cleo and Ice were male rappers having the same back and forth. No one would be whining about the friendship. No one would defend barging into another person's hotel room. No one would be talking about colorism. It would be simple: The industry is like this, stop crying, learn and move on.
@@Runthemjewels I shouldn’t even reply to any of yall because it reads that you all also didn’t Listen to that girls whole story.
Only thing wrong that Cleo did was go back on the tour when she left for her video shoot. She wouldn’t be dealing with any of this.
I don’t listen to none of them girls music , I do know when people are trying to play me for a fucking fool though! - that’s what That Ice spice and her MGMt Jerry - Jason w.e that guy name is was doing.
Glad we don’t know one another IRL any of us 😄 yall like to baxkdoor ya ppls
The moral of the story with Cleo and Ice Spice is never tell a person you got them as a friend when you really not their friend and dont got them....
That’s it & that’s all. But more importantly how you act like that’s your friend & you for her but then act hella shady & passive aggressive towards her. No communication at all. They retold this story hella wrong…
@@laurenjackson2810they did tell the story wrong but thankfully Ish the only one with a brain😂
Ms Cleo learned a lot from that experience.
They're providing too much cover for Ice Spice. The first thing we must point out about Spice is that she's different than most artists on their first tour. She has major(top tier) endorsements deals and has been collecting expansive booking fees for years. She's not broke like a lot of new touring artists. It would take Ice Spice less than ten minutes to find her homegirl someone to share a room with nightly and make sure her homegirl don't starve. If you're not willing to do that as a friend, you're a terrible person. Especially when you only gave them a days notice about the tour.
too many ppl think its supposed to be so sweet n easy for these up & coming artists ... not everything gon be comfortable and given to you even if the main artists is your "friend" ... no unknown male artist would get online complaining about what Ice's friend is complaining about bc they arent conditioned to be entitled like this cleopatra girl
That is not her job
Do ya’ll not get how business works!
When she invited you your first job is to call ya mgr and have them talk to her mgr.
As an artist u gotta know it’s business or u won’t make it
It’s not like they were on good terms and hanging out all day
It’s not like she’s signed to Ice
And Cleo even said she didn’t know ice like that to defend where her dad was from which was their original
Issue
@@jetbond3356it's entitlement people are entitled and insufferable ice spice was doing her favour
@@BornGiftedMusicGroupPeople have an entitlement problem
If any of my friend’s invite me someplace wether it’s as simple as a dinner or a whole vacation, I would make sure I was able to afford it unless my friend said “its on me” but even if they said that, I would still make sure I’m able to pay for whatever may come happen.
Cleopatra really said you told me you got me a day before, how was I supposed to be prepared to pay for nights at 5 star hotels? A lot of yall wouldn’t have it either, let’s be honest!
I woulda hustled thru that shit. It was absolutely an opportunity
@@monicac2834she did. y’all need to stop yapping
The problem is she wasn’t forced she could’ve said no😭
Good she went and keep her mouth closed until the end and it got her another gig with azelia. And it showed the real real on how spice be moving out here Drake like
@@zabriangreen5426She said no initially because she thought she was just being invited just to be there as part of her entourage essentially. She declined to focus on her career, but Ice said “No I want you to perform”. So Cleo was like “Ohhhh okay” (because it helps her career).
43:09 once joe said big parks,the room got quiet and started to calculate how much money parks really make!!!😅😅😅
You dont always need to show you have money. Parks wear 40 dollar sneakers and a white tshirt, and probably sitting on millions.
@@reggieemile7308 so true
Lmaooo damn that’s true
@@reggieemile7308that’s how you do it. Especially when there are no kids. Parks gotta plan.
He's been there longer than the rest of the co host right?
58:33 Mel maybe don’t talk if you’re not versed on the topic? Because she did have the conversation with Ice and she called her a bum and career-less …
Lmaoooo Ice reading segment had me dead 😂😂😂😂😂
Dead dead. Stomach hurt but rewound that mf a few times 😂
Spot on. Let him come back acting all tough clearing his throat pressing them about what they said next pod he's going to start catching strays while he's there not only when he's gone😂
yooo that camera cut to flip while Joe talking bout the toy is nastyyyyy lmao 2:18:22
I love the way joe and flip says ‘girl’
😂😂😂 gurl!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 Joe be having me in tears of joy when he say gurl
@@PernellCramer i know right. It’s like funny and sexy at the same time. 🥹
Who's here early?!
This & then Chiefs Ravens later🤌
5 am
morning shift gang 🤪🤟🏽 haha
@CheifSynot everybody is paying for Patreon so they don’t know bout episodes dropping a day early with da sleepers
Here
days before the rodeo is why I started listening to Travis, the best tape he EVER did! Every single song is heat, you can just let it run, kick back and relax. 💪🏼
Yaaas!! 3 hrs of content for the Working Gwurls!!!
Hmmnmmm *snaps fingers*
Nooo, the way Joe explained the Ice Spice situation was totally off. It came across as one-sided and wrong! He’s trying to tiptoe around the issue. That’s not how Cleo described it at all. She was willing to pay for her things, but was just met with so much hostility from Ice Spice and her team .
Joe always picks a side and act like he doesn’t
No she said she thought she “would be taken care of”
She's a new artist who has to pay her diligence and should have it rough her first tour. Ice spice is doing her no favors by inviting her on your and then babying her into a successful career.
She wasn’t willing to pay if she didn’t pay she was on tour for a month at some point if I wanted some one to Cary my bags I would have had my label fly security out I would made sure I had a room instead of sharing one with my friend every night she was taken care of for the most part but that’s not how budgets work when labels are involved I think Ice over extended what she could do and it turned into a problem AND she’s a shady bitch lol
He explained it like someone's who actually been on the road touring🤨
Ice pressing Ish is unfortunately a card he played to his own detriment. His absence will now forever be used as an opportunity to roast him😂😂
They kept it 100 on his voice too😂😂😂😂😂
Timestamp?
And I like it! Play with that on in that segment and I was laughing my ass off because it was exactly what I was thinking😂😂
Facts😂😂 he pressed them without looking at the clip for context. He literally went off he say she say
Ish was so unbothered. Told him exactly what he said
Wake & bake watching one of the most consistently podcasts out ‼️
Joe making fun of ices reading was what I needed 😂😂 😂
Damn i hope cleo read yall down for completely being off . What your saying is NOT what happened
They all got the Ice Spice situation wrong. Joe’s two hour of homework didn’t pay off. Cleo wasn’t acting entitled while explaining her side
I don’t like to be that guy, but this pod always shows favoritism to the light skin people, this ain’t my first time witnessing it. ijs
No they were just being realistic. Y’all are consumers and are looking at this from a consumer perspective. Ice gave her a LIFE CHANGING opportunity point BLANK! Artists struggle on tour alllllll the time
@@VenomK-25not the way they be on Drake😂
I’m sorry but nobody peeped how aggressive Joe was applying that damn lip balm at the 30:33 mark..
shit is insane 😂😂😂😂
😂😂
Lol
Y'all got the Ice spice vs Cleo thing so wrong...the thing is Cleo would have paid if she was told ahead of time but don't tell me to come somewhere ,where you didn't even tell me when yall was eating...they left her, the makeup artist, and the hair stylist at the hotel while they all went to eat something ata steak house and left them to starve...Ice spice was nasty asf to her...she asked Cleo to go on tour, cleo to Ice no cuz its to last min and Ice insisted she went, to in return treat me like shyt and leave me to starve when I get there...1 day to prepare!!!!!! Ish was the only one to get it right actually understand...like she said I could have stayed home like she wanted to...Melyssa you was loud and wrong, Joe you left out so much in a story....
Exactly they need to stop playing in Cleo’s face because they literally shaped the story to make Cleo look like a bum or a user just like ice spice that’s trash
You are 100,000% right. Ice was a terrible person scratch being a friend she was a terrible person to her. Cleo asked what do I need to pay for and I’ve said don’t worry about it I got you. Cleo was wronged but she isn’t the victim she hurt herself when she didn’t call her manager when I’ve told her come on tour. She had a day to prepare and if she wanted to go she should have gave her team 20 hours to prepare for her. Even having her an assistant the management should have gave her enough funds for a sprinter so she could travel behind Ice’s bus, money to stay at a hotel, and money to eat.
@@ayoung855wish they had you to summarize for them since they were too lazy to actually watch the vids 😭 that whole segment was nonsense from everyone but ish
The buzz words are crazy tho. They watch 1 insagram reel and start talking like Dr. Phil 😂😂😂
Yall loud and wrong about the ice spice situation. Ish the only one who got it right🤦🏾♀️
I can’t keep waiting on you like this Joseph because I don’t know where I’d be without the JBP.
Yeeeeaaaaa I think y’all need to revisit the ice spice and Cleo thing… y’all got it wrong.. Cleo posted the text.. ice spice was wrong.
Joe reminds me of that uncle that don’t play no games 💪🏾
Emanny talk like he’s under water.
Wous instead of WAS
Like he got some snot in his nose!!! I hate it!!!!!
Not too much on E
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Word! I thought I was the only one who noticed, he talk like he got mad water in mouth 😂
Damn yall cant let a man be congested 😂
This was a great Pod!! Enjoyed it! Nice flow.
Regarding the Cleo situation soooo much was left out. Cleo asked her how much money she would need, and Ice told her she was "good." That's the issue. Please stop reporting on things when you don't know all the facts. Ice literally "iced" her out the entire time. They left her on the tour bus by herself for hours while they went out to get food.... that's not "show business" or "tour life." They were throwing out her bags and leaving them on the ground. That's not "industry shit." She asked HER to come on tour, not the other way around. To invite someone to travel across the country with you and then drag them through hell because she brought up an issue with her luggage? Sometimes y'all are really on point, but this ain't one of those times, friends. And the fact y'all are so easily taking Ice's side is CRAZYYYYYY. But of course, when a dark-skinned woman says something, she's wrong and it's her "fault." Stop the BS. And she did address her privately. And Ice called her "ungrateful," said she was a "bum." Like this beyond foul. And Mel, I'm especially disappointed in you. But it's possibly because it's easy to take the side of someone who looks like you. Do better. All of you.
I love each and every one of you guys. The JBP gets me through the day😊❤
Looks like Mase caught Ozempic to🙆🏾♂️
MASE gave a name and a source for the weight loss... look him up or look into it first😅
Yo, you're not losing no 70 lb in one week off of fruits and vegetables. They were only off the air for a week. Thats a Come On My N..... moment.
@@reggieemile7308they was off air for 2 months from last season to the start of this one. Why you lied bro
Soon as I saw da thumbnail of his freestyle i’m like 🙄 mase u too
Yooo I thought I was bugging u ain't lying on that one
I agree wit the big Sean take . He do this everytime . Gas us up to believe he’s really about to let loose and then start tap dancing . EVERY TIME !
the one time mel wants to go off and use her voice is on a young darkskin woman and she has the wrong information
Cringe
Riiiiight….. I was always team Mel but this has me looking at her hella sideways. Isn’t her mom white? I’ll leave it at that.
Exactly omg I said this! And I love Mel but I’m like now Mel wanna open her mouth when info is wrong 😂😂😒
I was so disappointed in her take. She clearly only formed her opinion based on information that she was fed by Joe. I don’t expect him to understand female micro-aggression but Mel smh. Lost so much credibility.
@@jemariamarie8931 you said this so well. It’s crazy how you can get the completely wrong information from people, trust what they’re saying is fact & then just go with it. Mel knows how toxic or ignorant about women issues they are so why would she just take things at face value? It didn’t even seem like she was questioning much to really gather the info. She heard a few things & took off with it, like huh?
Ofcourse Joe is gonna side with Spice, he himself is a terrible friend. I am not surprised
I agree with Ish on the discussion about touring. The less known artist is unfamiliar with the tour guide lines and it should have clearly explained what was included in the tour, ie hotel, food.
JBP keeps killing. Love this episode!!
That Wack 100 line is hilarious 😂
😂😂😂
Flip has HIS ROLE...its undeniable..respect
flip with grey in his beard stay calling someone old
And he like the youngest one up there 😂😂
To be fair, some folks get grey early....
@@ChipOsorio na that’s true. My girl started getting greys at 27
@@Muzzlecrowe-li9kt true also it’s not always genetics could be a vitamin deficiency as well
@@andrew4349 wow that’s interesting
Happy belated birthday to Joe Budden, you've done amazing things for THE CULTURE‼️✨️✨️✨️✨️🫶❤️💐
Flip: Emanny brought his girlfriend, that’s your girlfriend?
Emanny: We peace
😂😂😂😂😂
Flip killed it first 30 minutes 😂😂😂😂
Ice needs to take a week off . The audio experience is smooth without him
Yall are just damn rude for absolutely no reason
@@clifffgobathis the internet lol
No flip need to go
Ice talk too much about nothing
I'm a fan of ice perspective
Joe impersonating Ice got my crying 😂😂😂😂😂
It’s crazy cause I been doing that shit at home forever. The way he take a pause is crazy. Joe funny asf
After watching that LIT birthday dinner, I couldn't WAIT for the next episode.
Aye Joe, bring the woman wearing the purple dress, on the show.
Flip: my wife was watching so i couldn't do what I wanted to do...
Flip on the last pod: i keep my wedding ring in a box to Cherish it
What could you possibly want to do in Joe's party that your Wife can't see?
Right at the start, his creepy comments about Mel and drinking 🤯 gots to go.
Right . He’s on Mel to much . Every topic is about Mel 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ they getting corny
You did see him explain what he said literally right after..right?
Joe you are hilarious 🤣 the talking about ice is incredible
Lmfao yall are wrong again someone stole 700 from her off her card after her back was placed outside the room lord plz stop covering shit without all the facts
Yeah this is just sad. Especially how they’re doing this young Black woman, I don’t like this at all.
@@laurenjackson2810 I agree smh
This is more than wrong, they got the info wrong, and even so they wrong for how they talking about her.
"Cuffy Combs" is Hilarious 😂😂😂😅
Imagine not thinking you can be up because you work a 9-5
Cool to see Jadakiss’ son on the podcast
We need Flip on Ozempic next !
No! Natural is the way to go
He should try a little at least he might like it
The silence at 1:46:06 was loud AF 😂😂
Seen this comment right when the moment came 😂😂
😭😭😭
I really enjoy episodes WITHOUT Emanny.
Melissa is rarely educated about the female topics and it’s staring to piss me off
Oh is she always like this?? I’m pretty new to the pod, I’ve only listened to like 3-4 episodes & it was mainly during the Kendrick/Drake beef. I thought Mel was all female empowerment… is she a pick-me?
She never educated about any topic lol
@@elchapo6175 so she’s really just supposed to sit there & look pretty…? Lol
I guess if it’s about sundress’s she’ll write a fucking essay. I’m sure it’s hard being the only female with a group of men but girl get some fucking backbone and when it comes to topics about women at least have an opinion based on facts and not what the man tells you your opinion is. Don’t just be the silent pretty face that they prop up and pretend to be impressed with. Make them respect your mind like they respect you dancing on stage. Foh Represent don’t be a damn seat filler.
@@laurenjackson2810it’s not what she’s *supposed* to do but it is what she does 😅
As a fellow Virgo I was here for the bday recap!!
Mel got about 57 complaints to HR about Flip
Doubt she complained 😂
There definitely was a miscommunication problem with Ice Spice and Cleotrapa, along with some other things. For one when I listened to Cleo's video I immediately got that there may be a different perception of friendship level between these two women. What Cleo described sounded like they was industry friends which to me might as well equal acquaintances. Also didn't Cleo say that her and Spice had an issue over the Ice Spice being Nigerian thing? So if Cleo already knew Ice could be shady behind something so petty why would she just take Ice for her word? They were not besties, they were industry friends there is a difference. Besides that business should always be separated from friendship. Remove the emotions, handle the business first. Regardless of last minute there should've been manager to manager conversation and clarification. From what Cleo said she has management. Well let's be truthful. Her management failed her. Because somebody on her team should've said hey, I think this tour is a no go for Cleo until we lock down the particulars. And yes, Ice Spice should've made it clearer. But let's be adults. It was also Cleo's responsibilty to go way beyond that "I got you", before she even left NYC. Not when you about to leave money on the table back home for an unpaid, unsure deal.
No offense but as soon as Cleo started talking she sounded like my nephew who says that everybody and their grandma is "family" or his bff. Sorry, but this new generation uses the friends and family terms way too loosely. Business over emotions. Get out of your feelings and handle business.
Joe love talking about therapy like he not the poster child for therapy not working
Jae won is truly his fathers son 😂😂. He jokes and slick talks just like his pops. Shot out son and pops combos in this pod
somebody's gotta tell Flip about his obsession with Mel. That shit is cringe as hell
AGREED!
No it's not
@@SkullKapMafiathat’s cause you are weird too
he’s attracted to her but calls her his sister…. that’s gross
Insane seeing Doechii getting so many love.. she really killed this..
This is my que to get my Starbucks and take a lil break at my desk (don't judge 😂) 💕💕
Same
I like that quote, “he gotta find what the bop looks like as he evolve” I needed that cause that’s where I am. And this just the missing question or statement I needed to know where and HOW to look for it. Got it now 🙏🏿
So the moral of the story is have a contract before you leave, and if you don't know anything you are going to get clowned because you don't know.
Stop acting like she is expecting something that she knew she wasn't going to get.
If you have never experienced a tour and no one has told you how it works, in someone says don't worry I got you, MORALLY IT IS DISGUSTING TO TREAT THEM THAT WAY.
ICE DID NOT HAVE TO SNAP ON CLEO LIKE THAT. ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS SAY "NICELY" MY SECURITY IS ONLY GOING TO DO FOR ME YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR YOURS.
What Ice did was akin to someone saying don't worry about it you can come stay with me for a few days.... Then starts telling other people that they don't know why you're there and you're getting on their nerves. .
I understand sometimes you have to learn things. You will make mistakes. The Cleo clearly kept saying throughout the video this was her first tour and she didn't understand.
NO ONE TOLD HER ANY OF THE THINGS AT ANY POINT THROUGHOUT THE TOUR, THEN SHE COMES HOME AND EXPRESSES HOW SHE FEELS, AND SHE GETS PRETTY MUCH CALLED DONKEY OF THE DAY.
I hope the next time any of you for naive on something that you get treated in the same fashion. And when you try to express yourself people just say you're dumb.
My opinion and I don't care about replies.
😂 doesn't look like you got any replies
Cleos dj said when they had a reservation for dinner and when they were supposed to perform their names weren’t even listed anywhere. He also said Cleo’s manager tried to get Cleo a slice of pizza from the back and was told the pizza was for Ice spice’s team only, despite there being 15+ boxes.
You know we live in a f'd up world people using diabetic meds to lose weight 😂😂wtf
I definitely see where Cleo may have gone wrong business wise, and having general/surface level outsiders knowledge on new artists touring, but Joe implied that he spent his morning tuning into what was going on, yet he failed to properly convey what Cleo was saying.
3 hours? Work about to be lit
On lord 😂😂😂
HOW CAN YOU SPREAD HATE AND EXPECT LOVE?