PROBLEM SOLVED: How to Mill a “Banana” log!
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Addressing many of the comments here, y'all
realize it's Pine right? Not applicable for many of
your suggestions. But we appreciate your efforts😊
Hope you don't get upset with me always saying your the cutest thing I ever did see. Now carry on about the banana logs.
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as a yoke
where did you get your banana log?
the trumpster banana republic of new york city in trump tower village of the funky flying monkees from the wizard of oz (oddballs and other crazy stuff)
(fyi chittenango ny state is the hometown of frank baum sr. the author of the wizard of oz (1939) and his junior is a director of movie classic of the wizard of oz (1949) and in their memory is a yellow brick side walk and i think it is main street ny state route 5. and on one end is/was sun Chevrolet where you can buy wheels used or new. gas or diesel or sun powered electric. i do not know if they have horses of that different color (green in kodachrome)
i got to go. otherwise i will be late for a very important date. i owe i owe its off to paint i go. more later
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New to the channel, this is interesting. I have a million questions, but they'll likely be answered by watching your videos. God bless be safe.
The girls are doing a great job working together with the machine and the camera work. Good video.
This log should have been given to you. It took more time than you could make from it.
Love the way you are trying to get what you can!
That's a great firewood log.
Congratulations on 70 plus! Hoping for double that for you!
Hi emerald you were amazing today you really understand your work correct a log is not easy. Love it
They typically become firewood in my yard.
Good call. This was a practice log for the girls. Boss Man.
What's the best idea for firewood
This type of log is the reason we use a 56" circle headsaw to open the logs. Then send it to one of two band resaws. Saying that, and with 30 plus years of sawyer experience. I've always opted for putting the highest pat of the crown at about 22 deg. off top dead center, taking a few cut, and going to face 3. I understand your dogs may not have the holding power for this. I cut a 1face to 3face, then 2face and end up on the 4th face. This consistently gives higher yield than the 1,2,3,4 cutting solution. I've done yield studies on both methods, and with an industrial circle mill and pneumatic dogs, this method proved best. I'm not saying that is the safest method for your situation, but I'm glad to see that you've recognized and addressed the issue. Smooth sawing.
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Looks like a prime specimen for firewood.
Em, you do have a real good eye for woodworking. Straight line every time.
There is nothing better then a informative talk from such a knowledgeable person! Em is a keeper! She was not only taught well, but listened and learned. Then her 10 billion brain cells took over and you see the results! Her sisters and brothers are her equal. We are all given gifts in life , and she is ours!
😂😂 without closer inspection of this log, the medullary raises and and growth ring's, how are you to make a educated decision on the market that best suit's it uses?
And so pretty!
creepy ass weird comment lol
Yeah what a creepy ass comment
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This is one of your best videos so far! You provided a great explanation about how you deal with something out of the ordinary and maximise value. Well done!
Enjoy your content. Thanks for mixing things up so we not only learn your daily life but learn about you and your personal life a little. Keep it up... some channels are doing good in a watchers life and yours is one of them.
Hi,
Great explanation! Amazing to see you and your family working together, and show us all your skills in your lumber yard. Great work😊!
Nice job, Emerald. My grandfather had his mill back in the day when the blade was "round" and the teeth replaceable. It was amazing to watch him work with bad logs and end up with some pretty spectacular lumber.
Cut'em in the crocks or the big saw will.
Same grandfather sawmill had 2 round saws one on top of the other I think each was 5’ tall started working at his sawmill very young (70’s). The round blades are heavy, and make a lot of sawdust…bandsaws get more lumber out of each tree (less wasted sawdust).
Love the way you explain it all. I've cut a few of these in the past and not fun. But your thinking process is spot on. I just want to thank the Boss Man and the crew for being environmentally conscience and for using just about the whole log to create a product. Keep the coffee going!!!
Hahaha. I started watching this shit because I cut firewood. Then I'm in to wood processors. Now I'm here. Love it.
Lovely to have knowledgeable commentary.
Your getting so much more confident talking to us all,great job Emerald.
Hello from across the pond 🇬🇧
Thank you Emerald. I've a new found respect of the furniture builders. Of the woods in Arizona of Ironwood and Mesquite for both trees that extreme warped twisted and bent limbs. Bowing of the limbs is normal. Yet they still manage very beautiful pieces of furniture. I suppose I never really thought about it. Since in mining beams of Oak, Ironwood and Mesquite are treasured. Although rare these days. I thank you for enlightening my understanding of the difficulties you face. Excellent video.
I think this is one of the best videos you've done. Assured, interesting, well shot.
Nice job. Growing up a carpenter, I had always wondered about warped boards. I just never dug into that. Now that I'm older, I come across some bad boards, and I see your video. I appreciate your explanation.
Something to think about, if the “bump” is severe enough you can take it down an inch or 3/4 at a time and get one or two live edge slabs that are live edge the whole way around, and then continue just as you did, they might make good live edge cutting boards and it’s just a product of milling a log like that!
She said it was PINE. A soft wood. NOT good for cutting boards.
We have a few pine cutting boards we use for cutting and serving cheeses, they work fine for us, some people like the knife marks that develop over time and they are easier on a knife blade too, I’m sure they’d sell just fine
Great Work Emerald! You have a beautiful family and does my heart good to see y’all working together towards a mutual goal. Keep it up! I love the content and look forward to your videos every time one drops.
I am very impressed how you managed this banana lumber. I never thought of such problems, so it is very interesting to hear about. Thanks and I wish furthermore an accident-free work.
Whoever put this young lady in this presentation knows what they’re doing. As she matures, with more wisdom, she will be a fantastic spokesperson for the logging industry. Reco - gloves, goggles, protection footwear.
🇨🇦 Great job as always girls! Love the camera angles and the sound of the saw.
Very good tutorial Emerald. That's the way I do it pretty much except I use a tape measure to visualize what I can get from the log after the two first cuts. But usualy, I only mill them if the custumer really want it. Then I explain them how to harvest trees to avoid getting those types of logs. and avoid wasting time (money) to mill them. Again, great video! Bonne semaine à toute la famille!
Great to see your subscriber list continue to climb. Congrats to all of you. Great vids.
Thank you all for another well presented video, The explanation was very informative and it sounds like u gained knowledge from this task, good job
Great job explaining the process used to work through a banana shaped log. Today, I worked through one banana log 20 footer, with a twisting action at the small end. Relieving the tension and compression inside the log was a challenge while working toward a stable cant. Your camera and sound person earned an A+.
I don't think it's the smartest method, though she's lovely. The tension in the wood tends to remain after drying and no matter how many years of stickering and weighting. You simply can't overwhelm the hydraulic power of wood cells (not without new "baking" methods). The figure of the boards will be nice though. and if thin enough they'll be acceptable. I recommend the old fashioned pit saw way--saw directly through the straightest longitudinal axis of bent logs yielding two equal left and right bananas. From there you can get flat albeit bent lumber. This wood is ideal for chair parts. But who makes chairs out of pine? IDK. Something lost, something gained in all sawing, amen?
@@carlosreira2189 The poor girl can't even spell lumber. Don't expect too much from her.
@@Me-qp8vz Ha. Thanks for that reply. In my experience, big logs don't generally get made into lumber. It's simply not worth the trouble. Specialty guys will try and mill anything, with their dual head chainsaw rigs, but production sawmilling is about grade. Flatsawn, so the knots are round and clearest face. Lots of flipping of the log, even though that takes some time. Hydraulics do it in a split second.
She's great. Super cute. Her family is teaching her the biz. That they even mess with a bent log is interesting.
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Thanks for showing. From a guy I would have accepted the comments straight away. With you I had to think twice. I did and it was a very good lesson. We're equal bar from my barriers and you brought those down.
Appreciated
Great info for this guy.
I always learn something from this channel.
Nice to see Emerald's presentation technique improve with time. You give great and clear information. There are no pauzes that don't need to be there in the flow of the video. Very professional editing. Keep going!
Good to see the approach. I struggled for a while with this and now I just lay them flat and cut them 5/4 for shelf boards rather than try to get dimensional lumber. Shelves are generally going to be shorter and they are not cheap to buy like a 2x4. Another use I have seen is stairs. While oak is great a lot of fir and pine is used for this purpose and will last a long time.
We lay banana logs flat and make shorter lumber out of em. Cut them at their sharpest bend before you edge em. Utilizes a crooked log. If you have a use or market for shorter lumber!
Love this. Thank you Emerald and the Lumber Capital Log Yard team.👌😊
Perfectly straight for the home centre
I am still laughing. You are right. Great box store wood. Boss Man.
Lol!
Great video. We have a debarker at our mill. Those banana logs are no fun to debark either. They jump around and sometimes they even end up sideways.
Well, sometimes on logs like that, you get better firewood production. Great video as always.
I was thinking the same. That was alot of labor for 6 boards , versus what it would sell for as firewood.
Well, they will probably sell the leftover wood as firewood so they get both products from a log, maximizing its worth
Thank you Boss man. You have a talented family. Two thumbs up.
You have the Best Explanative SPEECH Pattern on social media I have ever seen. Very educated woman you are. Thank you for the video.
The boards from these logs also bow a lot because the grain is not straight. I lay these logs flat as possible on the mill bed and cut 2" thick live edge slabs and make benches from them. The more "bananaed" the more customers like the bench. Otherwise I just make firewood out of them. I would have gotten four basic, rustic benches from that log at $200 a piece. $800 log ain't too bad. : / Logs with a big swale in them (usually from trees on a steep hillside where snow laid them out away from the hill when they were young, and then they survived and grew up), I take two facing slabs (butterflied) and make matching curved benches that can be used in a circular setting such as around a tree or circular garden ring. I can get $500-$600 a set for those.
Yelp, some of the boards Emerald cut were warped from the start. It's best to use these logs for something other than dimensional lumber.
I was thinking the same as you. Slab the log up and take advantage of the curves as a selling feature.
great idea
while fishing one day along a public acess waterway a nearby landowner made a bench for people to use. He did a beautiful job on it using a bannanad log, many layers of polyurethane on it . Been there for a number of years , a very kind thing to do and a pleasure to sit on and have a coffee or just daydream when the fishing slows down .
@@johncarter1137 - No kidding.
I really enjoyed this video. It was very informational. Thank you for all your hard work.
What a smart young lady. Enjoyable to see her talents. I don't like tattoos but I like hers and its meaning also.
Addressing many of the comments here, y’all realize it’s Pine right? Not applicable for many of your suggestions. But we appreciate your efforts 😊
Based on all of the firewood comments, I recommend that you pin your comment.
+Nella Yema Thanks!
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Every little bit helps! Good luck. 👍
I'm glad I found your channel and appreciate your hard work
Thanks for the video. If you cross-cut the log at the bend, you get more usable boards out of it, although they are shorter.
When we get a "banana" log we turn it on its side and make live edge planks out of it, usually 1.5" thick. The local craftspeople love to work with them to make furniture.
Yes and by cutting the sides you get less tearout from grain going out or into a board surface
+George Bartholemew We don’t have a market for that at this point.
Good job, Em. Take the rest of the week off... With pay! BTW, you and I both pronounce "probably" as "proly". I'm from Indiana. Lived here all my life.
Smart, beautiful, and a great Sawyer, MERCY! Thanks for sharing and God bless!
Great video. Just a thought I hand carve wood signs usually cedar, poplar. hemlock, and maple and pine. My cousin mills all my lumber. I take all his live edge boards even banana shaped; they make great sign blanks. Stickering and drying is a little tricky because of checking but can be save from becoming firewood. Saleable up here in Canada. Like I said just a thought.
Art and science. God bless and stay safe. TFS
I have finally figured out what the words are on Emeralds arm. Its in Latin and its meaning is death before defeat. Right above the star of David. She is kick.ass bad girl. I knew it
Loquerisne linguam latinam?
I think this was one of your best videos as you explained and talked through it very good 👍
Very informative GREAT job Have a great day ladies ☕️👍
Emerald, “Bain of our existence!” Wow, not many people your age understand that expression! How smart you are in addition to your other talents! Nice job today!
I’m also impressed with Em’s command of the language. Sorry if someone else has posted this, but the word ‘bane’ is for the expression ‘bane of our existence’. The word ‘bain’, apparently, is French for bath.
So the weird shaped parts you guys are cutting off would make a few great charcuterie boards. Something you may consider ….thanks for the great videos I really love learning how you guys figure out the different uses of your logs! Very interesting…..
Live edge slabs 2 inches thick or so could sell for more than we think.
"It is what it is" - I can't stop saying that phrase my self now!!!!!
Emerald - you are changing the world!
Even a bad(undesirable) log can be a learning experience. If you get practice on enough of these you eventually get good at sizing them up to determine what you can get out of them.
Great job 👏 👍
Great milling. One thing you might consider is that some wood workers would love to have curved slabs. They wold pay top dollar.
I look for unique material that can bring a desirable curve. Where as getting that same curve out dimensional lumber would not be possible with out glueing. I let the curve dictate the the overall shape of the project. Just putting that out there.
Good job on your milling.
Absolutely that was my thoughts too. Great minds think alike.
How do you cut a curved slab with a straight saw bed?
If the log is laid with the curve in the horizontal plane then there is a fair chance of getting a good set of curved live edge boards without losing the bump & ends as you do with the curve facing up or down
That saw mill is really efficient and seems user friendly. Great job on the log sawing tutorial. Awesome job on the video angles. Good work.
randomly got recommended this. what an experience
There aren't any bad logs, some simply yield firewood...🤣
Showing some skills , three inches of sweep and making it right !
Great explanation, and demonstration, of how to deal with a problem log.
We need more skilled young people like you and your sisters in America.
Really good explanation and came across with authority. Woodmiser Professor at work.
Great video Em. So…just a wild estimate…you got 6 2x4’s at say $3.00 bucks a piece….so 18 bucks plus firewood sales out of that banana log?? I don’t have a mill…I just do a small amount of firewood and was always curious about how you pros deal with curved logs. Even for firewood…banana logs can be a pain to cut and split. 👍👍
Enjoy watching your channel I was a sawyer and had a LT 40 manual for twenty years I miss it but still get to have the sawyer I sold my mill to come and cut for me .I’m waiting for winter to cut some logs and then get it cut next spring. Keep posting I’m a fan.
Don’t know how to text you to acknowledge my prize
@@marklee6591 It a scam and not from this channel. Don't fall for it.
I love how with each video you are trying to increase ur production level, and trying to improve ur techniques (moving while talking, controlled hand gestures and presentation).
Not too many people on UA-cam putting in this much effort! Good job
Do you have a market for wood turners? I'm just asking as there is a market out there for 'banana' logs and burls if they were cut on the y-axis vs. the x-axis? It might be were people say they would buy it but it winds up not being the case. Either way, I'm glad all of the wood will eventually get used for something, if even keeping the shop warm.
We generally mill for our sales market. We are not recognized as a craft mill. Boss Man.
Fascinating process. I'm a computer guy - not hands on - but I really enjoy seeing the practical process of turning raw logs into lumber.
Of course having Emerald as host explaining it all helps. 🙃
That machine is so cool. Nice effects slowing down the video like that when you were showing the cutting process. Had me dreaming of owning one. 😃
Looking forward to seeing you reach one hundred thousand subscribers. Love your channel and your commentary.
Em, thanks for the insight on your thought process! Did the Boss Man suggest this? He liked my comment about this a while back.
John, I thought this was good practice for higher value material like walnut. Boss Man.
I guess it all depends on what length boards you're looking to get out of it. I'd consider cutting the log in half and try to maximize what could be cut out of 2 shorter length logs. If the goal is long beams, this doesn't work well. If you're cutting 1" boards then maybe you get more BF from 2 shorter logs. Just another opinion.
A set of 4 foot and 6 foot pickets seems more achievable than long 10 foot beams for maximizing timber yield from that kind of log.
But if that's not what sells, the pickets would just sit in the sales yard unsold taking up space.
Better to make fewer of what sells, than more of what sits.
Edited to correct autocorrect screwups.
Thanks Emerald, I learned something new.
Hi Em!! That was a kick butt vid. I enjoy seeing the tech details of cutting a banana and also I really enjoyed hearing the mill run rather than music.. Once in a while that is quite nice. Many of us build and work on machinery and its nice to hear the "music" produced by a good running Mill or Tractor or ChainSaw or what have you. Nice job. That goes for JADE as well.. good camera work and I think we got a few quick shots of you in there also. Every day its a pleasure to check out your videos of the whole assorted "gang" at the mill. Sweet operation! CHEERS!!
How about the stress in a bowed log? When it dries will it warp more than a log with straight grain?
Yes it will. This was more a practice log for optimizing value. Often we will use this material as dunnage for the log yard. Boss Man.
yes it will look just like a Home Depot 2x4.lol.
Great job. Do you cut 1 3/4 x 3 3/4 or true 2 x 4 ?
Full dimension. Boss Man.
That's such a cool Mill! Awesome information
Not only do you give more info, you have a badass sawmill as well.
Question about your LT15: what is the shortest piece you can mount?
About 3-4 foot although there a ways to cut short material. It just takes time to set up.
@@KenBreon My Dad has a piece 24" long x 18" dia. I'm guessing that's too short?
Just wondering what keeps a banana log from going straight to the firewood pile? Do you mill all of your oddball logs or only certain ones? Another awesome video otherwise 👍🏾
The boss man (@teri Breon)said he likes the girls to “train on a cheap pine log” and then the girls will know what to do if say a walnut log or similar comes in.
@@FeatherHorseforge Yeah, the price difference between a pine log and a walnut log is quite large. Don't want to mess up on a log where the wood costs $5-$10 a board foot.
Good job! I own my own sawmill and am a master woodworker. When I cut a curved log, I just leave the curve and slab it thick and sell it to timber framers as a curved beam 👍
After watching many of your videos I have decided to purchase a portable sawmill. It looks like a lot of work, but also a lot of fun.
Whatever you do, don't watch videos of nuclear submarines.
If the banana log doesn't yield much from milling why not cut it for fire wood? Seems like that would be more profitable.
This log was very questionable. Should have been FW. Thanks for the comment. Boss Man.
Do you have a place you could sell your junk logs such as a pulp mill or osb mill?
Currently those markets are not available to us. Boss Man.
So nice to see an ACTUAL 2 x 4👍
Point well taken. Have you heard of a curve sawing edger? Some mills take the banana out by following the curvature of the log as it goes through an edger. There are videos on you tube showing that. The mill I worked at had one.
Why not cut it in chunks for shingles or firewood.
Because it is UA-cam and will bring likes and subscribers.
Great job Emerald!!! Are there opportunities to market a suboptimal log such as the banana shaped one, to those custom table makers who use those odd shaped pieces to creat “lazy river style” epoxy resin tables? Some of these bring a significant return. Thank you. Trent
Excellent video, Emerald! Enjoyed this thoroughly!
I guess it all depends on the market for which you are sawing. As a furniture maker, I'm looking at that banana log and thinking, use a two cross-cuts to eliminate that cup in the middle. You would end up with two straight sections of log from which you would get two thicker cants. They would be shorter, but the boards would still be plenty long for making furniture.... I appreciate these informative videos from LCLY. I live in Central Pa. Going to have to pay this mill a visit.
Gonna give you guys another revenue stream....Pen makers love your cutoffs...cut them to 1"x1"x6". These are now sized for pen blanks. These sell for $2.00 to $5.00 depending on the species of the tree. Sell in bulk for $1.50 @ for a box of blanks.
Excellent suggestion ! I wish more of the smaller sawmills would offer turning stock for sale
@@burlseeker4680 what are you guys after?!
But these guys cut hemlock you can’t turn softwood
@@mannurse7421 I was thinking of Hardwood Turning stock.
Junk logs need to stay in the woods
Best place for them!
I don't care much about lumber and I don't work with wood at all. Somehow I just enjoyed watching her explain this issue in great detail. I DO like watching videos like Blacktail Studio and other great makers, but this one I started watching because she is easy on the eyes and stayed because she got me curious about these things.
I enjoy your presentations and admire your work ethnic !