@@ScottyBennitoneLove Henry's centerfire lever guns especially the side gate ones! But no way the H001 is going to be better than this. The cast zinc frame feels like cheap pot metal. The bl22/9422/39a all are much better quality rifles and this seems to be a bit of a middle ground between those.
Sad to see it’s made in Turkey and branded by a brand like Winchester. I’ll stick with my Henry, same price point and great quality while being made in America.
In reality any Winchester made for as long as I can remember had made in Japan stamped on them! I guess labor in Japan got too expensive for the CEO to rake in his big bucks. So now they will try and get rich off the backs of the turks! Shame!
@@jpoppinga8417I got the Henry … runs around 430 to 450. Black steel not the golden receiver that shoots shorts and longs. They got to be competitively priced or I can’t see them moving that fast.
The point is to have a 9422 without paying 1500$ for a decent used one. It's about getting to shoot one without paying the big money so ppl who don't have that kinda money laying around to experience it. Not brag about it. I own a original 9422 and I'd buy the ranger to just shoot and not burn up my 9422 anyway. It's a plinker. Something you wouldn't be mad about if it got damaged . Your missing the point. Want a heirloom. Go spend 2k on a original 9422
Considering its features, a walnut stock, hard anodized, etc., it's a nice looking rifle but it's made in Turkey. It is prominently stamped as Made in Turkey. You can get a made in America, American walnut stock .22lr with the same capacity, etc., for the same money. The Henry equivalent is priced at $369 right now, today, at SW stores. Why would anyone pay the same price for a Turkish rifle when they can get a Henry for the same money, or maybe even less in this case. If Henry can do it with American workers, every American company should be able to do it for that price.
@@RCXDerp They probably will offer it soon. They have to come out with this version initially because of the communist states that don't allow threaded barrels.
@@Texze Either is the Henry and it's made in America and priced the about the same. This looks like a great beginner rifle but at that price it just doesn't make sense. We al know that MSRP is almost never the actual price paid for a firearm in the US. Depending on how sales go, this rifle may be a heck of a lot less fairly soon.
It feels like companies keep trying to get away with charging a good price for an ok-ish gun. It's nothing special and not even made by Winchester or even in the USA
Until we take back America from global criminal cabals wearing suits occupying our government ("We the People"), why are we whining about this? If we took half the energy we use to complain about where products are coming from and focused that on fixing our elections and electing people who represent us instead of despising us, then we'd get somewhere.
If you're talking about made in the USA, it's been years since the bulk of manufacturing went overseas. All of their lever actions and single shots are made in Japan, while bolt actions are assembled in Portugal. The Wildcat rimfire and SXP shotgun are already made in Turkey.
Its just a markup job. Buy them off turkey for 200 each, put them on a boat, for 25 each we ship them and 25 for labor costs whole sale numbers and then they mark them up to 400 when they get off the boat and pocket like 100 profit each. Its business. Its so little money some will sell just because people gotta collect em all like pokemon you know bro its hard to hate a gun. Turkish guns are easy to hate tho. Plenty of hetter options than turkey
Can’t really be disappointed anymore when most US manufacturers suck at innovating new products and find it cheaper to outsource most of their budget guns overseas rather than pay more to make them in the states. If the customer base voted with their wallets to get these manufacturers to get off their lazy butts and actually innovate to produce better guns for reasonable prices stateside we wouldn’t be having this kind of outsourcing.
Importing to me isn't the problem here. Seemed like he's trying to imply it's a winchester rather than imported by winchester. That alone is a turn off.
@@dylanhayden8825 yeah the gouging is painful, but I’ve got too many guns as is so I’m in buy-once-cry-once mode and only buying heirloom stuff anymore. If its build quality is on par with the old 94/22s I’ll save up & deal with it; these Rangers are simply not made like that.
Henry guarantees all of their products with a Lifetime Warranty. As per the Winchester site - "Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product." That kind of says it all.
Still happy with my Henry, after over 15 years and I couldn't guess how many boxes of ammo. Bought it because it'd cycle 22 shorts for pest control. It has NEVER failed to feed shorts, longs, or long rifle ammo, even when mixed in the same tube. Marvelous little weapon. It'd be the last rifle to leave my hands!
Pass. Made in Turkey, spray painted black (many blemishes visible in this video), discount furniture grade wood and most importantly (the market spoke about this a while ago) no threaded barrel!
Like the stock and the take down feature is GREAT! However, it's going to retail for about as much a Henry and the Henry is made in the USA while this is made in Turkey
if we’re going by authenticity, the “Henry” that we have now was started in 1996 by a German. It’s about as authentic as the new Chevy Blazer. In any case, an aluminum reciever is just as authentic as the hipoint frame used by the Henry.
@@xanostermann9030 Did some quick research zinc is superior to aluminum in strength and it is also harder so the Henry is still a superior quality rifle theoretically.
Sigh.. made by Sila, then imported by another company, then marketed by Winchester, then sold by individual gun stores. I want to believe, but there's a whole lotta room for finger-pointing when the inevitable little or big flaws come to light - and those steps of separation allow for the marketer to drop it like a hot potato after a year or two.
The classic Henry is roughly the same price and made in America. This one is made in Turkey. Nothing against Turkey made firearms but ill buy American first.
@@irreccon Exactly!! Also, Henry guarantees their products with a Lifetime Warranty. Winchester does not. As a matter of fact if you go the Winchester site this is what it says - ""Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product."
A rifle company that doesn't offer a lifetime warranty on any of their rifles or shoguns is not enticing either. "Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product."
Ruger does have a warranty. And one of the best at that. Anyone that isn't satisfied, Ruger sends a pre-paid postage and their turnaround times are under a week for most people....
@sixgunnerdotorg4425 wrong, call them up and ask them. They will tell you just send a rifle in if you have any trouble with it and they will fix it free of charge.
What does it say about the state of ammo in this country, when a company that makes guns and ammo can't get 22 shorts or longs to test in their own guns. Seems rather strange to me.
Already own a Henry .22lr lever rifle that is an exceptional rifle, but I have to say that a one screw takedown is very unique. Not sure if cleaning from the muzzle end will damage your crown if you are properly inserting your jag.
I don’t feel like Winchester is the great American company that it used to be, unless you get into their really high end guns. I just wouldn’t feel like I had a genuine Winchester if I purchased something like this.
Winchester doesn't exist anymore. It's just a name. Even their nice center fire lever actions are made in Japan by a company called Miroku. Good guns, but still not made by Winchester.
@@TylerHulan I do really want one of those Winchester 1873's carbine in .45Colt made in Miroku Japan who do make some fine firearms and yes they are labeled Winchester and are made to Winchester specs !!!
Marlin has some good lever guns if you buy the ones they have for sale in wood. Still. But marlin not having any lever action or semi auto .22s rn is dissapointing considering marlin has made some of the best .22s ever. The lever action 39a and the one before it that it came from. There was also a pump action .22. Old ones are worth a lot as collectors items but you cant buy new ones.
I mean, both Rossi and Henry have levers for around $400 MSRP. And for Rossi if you go for the one with black polymer furniture instead of the wooden one then the MSRP is around $350.
I have the Rossi Rio Bravo, and it's kinda a gigantic piece of shit for anything outside of plinking. I can't speak for others, but the one I received isn't accurate at any distance. I wouldn't use it as a survival gun. But, that said, I cannot emphasize enough just how much fun it is to shoot, and the large loop I bought for it adds a nice level of drip to it. I tell my friends that the Rio Bravo is rated for minute of fun, not minute of angle. If I can figure out the accuracy issue, I'd be inclined to deck it out further.
Once upon a time Colt had to manufacture in England because American quality was not seen in a good light. I have several Turkish guns that are giving fine service. I tend to use my guns, not put them in a safe to "hand down".
The Ranger model has been a thing for Winchester for roughly 40 years. I have 2 shotguns from 84’ that are Ranger models. It’s meant for the budget crowd. Edit: where the bell is the ranger? We’re 7-8 months from the release and they haven’t hit the shelves.
So glad that in late 1972 I went to a local gun store and picked me up a 1972 Winchester Model 9422. That would be first year of manufacture. The fit and finish is awesome. I have only shot about 20 rounds through it. It is a fabulous gun, especially compared to this piece of junk from Turkey.
Henry has same price point 100% made in USA. All parts and wood sourced here all labor here plus a lifetime warranty and good customer support! No brainer unless you want a trademark that no longer means anything!
@richh5824 Henry may be USA manufactured, but Henry uses much lower quality materials like Zamak. This Winchester is 100% wood, steel, and 7000 series aluminum.
@@Lollygagger-k4pmeh. Shot show isn’t the place to go if you’re trying to look at girls believe me. If you wanna look at gravy seals, wannabe SF guys, and Chinese nationals, shot show is the place to go.
A Turkish Winchester... Notwithstanding legitimate gripes with Turkish QC (or lack thereof), its really unbecoming of a classic American arms maker to source guns from such an un-American place.
I mean winchester makes a lot of guns in a lot of different places too. They make a lot of more expensive guns it sucks this ones from turkey but you csm see how they take other models more seriously the 400 dollar rifle kinda a backburner they made it in turkey. Marlin back in the day made the lever .22s good and it wasny turkey yo
Cause they definitely found out a company in Turkey was making a lever action .22 and said "hey we should add that to our line up by putting our name on it". They definitely did not have this as an original idea.
Why on earth would you want a steel receiver for a .22 rimfire? Waste of material that adds unnecessary weight for what amounts to a plinker you’re more likely to want your kid to learn to shoot with than burn tens of thousands of rounds through at a time.
@@Iceaxehikes I’m aware of the 94/22; it made sense in 1972 when aluminum was a “new fangled technology” and polymer was treated like witchcraft. Nowadays aluminum and other lighter materials are better choices rather than sticking to steel and having a .22 rimfire that’s almost as heavy as the Winchester 94 they based it off of.
Yep, was very excited and eager to watch this vid. Then saw the made in Turkey comment. Nope and no. Sure they can make some great arms, and have historically. Winchester should have Nothing to do with that, and should be putting out American quality and keeping the jobs and money stateside. Shame on you Winchester.
Winchester isn't willing to invest in producing these domestically. Only worried about the bottom dollar and not interested in a lasting legacy and haven't been for my entire adult life. When I was 19 and first got into guns Winchester was falling from grace and now I'm 34 and seeing this crap. It's sad.
I mean the comments are that people just don't like other countries making American firearms branded name like Winchester for it doesn't bother me if the QC is in the product !!!
$400 for a Turkish gun when a made-in-USA Henry is $320-ish? And their dig is that the stock Henry sights aren't great? Get a receiver sight like a Skinner and you're still well under the cost of this import.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Henry receivers are die-cast. So are the majority of engine blocks and now even major frame components are being cast (famously, Tesla has made the news with their "gigacasting"). It's a more technical process than you'd think, and I doubt if Turkey has the craftsmanship in the die making process to compete. There's a difference between Hot Wheels and a Tesla, even if they're both cast. The Henry is going to be somewhere in between.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian You say that as if it's self evidently true without providing any evidence. You know they're both aluminum alloys, right? Henry uses Zamak 5 with improved specs that they tune in-house. Minimum yield strength is 33ksi, which is about 20% higher than common machinable aluminum billet. To get the same strength in extruded aluminum billet, you need at least a 6000 series alloy and it must have a proper T6 heat treatment. How much do you trust the Turks to get their materials and heat treat right? And even then, it's a smaller improvement of only about 5-10% stronger than Zamak 5. Arguably, Henry's QC and higher specs can make up the difference even if the Turks do everything right. There have to be millions of Henrys out there. If there were a problem with the receivers, it would be news by this point.
@TrojanManSCP Zamak 5 is a softer metal than the Aluminum receiver Winchester is using. True. We don't know if the Turks will do everything right with the materials they have. If they do, the Winchester will be a better quality than what the henry lever 22 has. I want to see what Nutnfancy's testing on the Winchester Ranger Revels. Turkish shotguns suck. Turkish pistols rule. We will see where the Turkish lever action 22s fall soon enough.
I thought this was great, until I saw made in Turkey. Now I don't like it. Cheap made Turkish, Chinese, and Brazilian guns make up the bulk of what shows up on my gunsmith bench.
$419 MSRP for turkshit rebranded as Winchester? Really? And this passes as "budget"? Knowing it's Turkish, its actual value is maybe $100-$150. Extremely disappointing offering from Winchester, I was hoping for something that wasn't trash at the ACTUAL 22lr Lever budget price of $300. Pathetic.
Meh. I already have a Rossi Rio Bravo, which is basically the same rifle from the looks of it. It's made in Brazil, but I don't have a problem with that.
Winchester should be ashamed to put there name on anything no made in America. Looks like a parkerized barrel, gross! Not what a Winchester should look like. Last, great! It’s a take down, why the hell didn’t they put a thumb screw on it! Who ever signed off on releasing this garbage to the American public with the Winchester name on should be fired.
I love 22lr lever guns and pump guns, I know I’ll get one. Henry makes their. 22LR rifle receivers out of high pressure castings of Zamak which is a zinc-aluminium-magnesium-copper alloy. The casting is then either painted to match the color of the rest of the gun or it is covered with BRASS-PLATTED SHEETMETAL. This Ranger is Fully billet aluminum upper and lower, hard anodized, walnut and machined steal internal parts. It has a single screw takedown. 3-5 lbs trigger with user adjustable over travel screw. Don’t get me wrong I love my Henry’s but Turkish made or not this Winchester is a quality made rifle. For all of you saying you’ll pass that only means I have a better chance of getting a Quality made Rifle, so thank you all for that.
Enjoy them importing it for a year since it won’t sell. People used to save a month’s wages for a colt. They had class even when broke. Y’all hate this country
@@seancssu Who hates this country? I have tons of American made guns. People buy tons of foreign made guns, who love this country. I’m not going to buy it and throw away my Henry’s. I’ll just add it to my collection. I was simply pointing out that this is a quality made rifle, I have 2 Henry rifles in 22lr. 1 in 22 mag, 2 Big boys one in 357 mag and 44mag, and a 30-30 x model. I love Henry’s and America so why don’t you go suck a bud lite.
@@seancssu If your buying Henry's centerfire rifles then you are buying Quality I know because I have two big boys one in 357 mag and the other in 44 mag and a large frame X model 30-30. Their 22's are made of exactly what I stated in my previous comment. You can call Henry and ask them if you like. I also have an Evil Roy .22lr, a classic H001LL, and a Mares leg 22 mag all of them great rifles. Also Quit a few more American made Rifles and Handguns and foreign firearms as well. No need to list them. I have no clue why you would say I hate this Country you are wrong for saying that. You sit there talking about people having class, but you talk crap on the internet for no reason at all, showing exactly how little class you have.
Winchester got back on the map with premium remakes of their Pre 64 products. This should have been a pre 64 style 94 22. Competing on price is what ruined the brand the first time.
Winchester had a quality ethic that plagued them until 1964. You get what you pay for and they couldn't quite hang with stamped remingtons and marlins. Folks aren't going to buy 1000 dollar 22 rifles made in the USA.
I like Turkish handguns but the aluminum receiver is a really thin sleeve that looks weak. Maybe just buy a Sila and not the more expensive Remington 😂
Back in about 1975 I debated between a Winchester and a Marlyn 49-A I chose the Longer Marlyn because it could handle shorts , longs and Long rifles, plus the microgroove rifling. I have always had some issues with actioning live rounds. The Winchester was Probably still made in the USA back then . I have actually worked at trying to make the action smoother recently .
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Props to the TFB camerman for that angle at 1:48. Turklever copy with a $100 mark up for stamping Winchester on the barrel? Pass
Winchester is shitty nowadays. I like their miroku stuff but I wish they'd just call it what it is and stop using the Winchester name.
@@thekalamazookid4481 A Henry H001 made in USA is better quality and less $$$, too! Plus excellent CS...
@@ScottyBennitone I used to have one!They do make an excellent product. Had to sell mine due to hard times but I'd love to get one again.
@@ScottyBennitoneLove Henry's centerfire lever guns especially the side gate ones! But no way the H001 is going to be better than this. The cast zinc frame feels like cheap pot metal. The bl22/9422/39a all are much better quality rifles and this seems to be a bit of a middle ground between those.
Sad to see it’s made in Turkey and branded by a brand like Winchester. I’ll stick with my Henry, same price point and great quality while being made in America.
agreed
Or get a Browning, it’s not made in turkey, and it’s not made with a cast zinc receiver pretending to be steel/brass like the Henry.
Henry and their company slogan ❤
Idk...billet receiver is better than receiver cover and zamak cast receiver of Henry...imo
Winchester has been bankrupt since 1989.
Winchester is merely a hermit crab now.
Did that say made in turkey? Wtf I knew Winchester is going down hill but good God.
In reality any Winchester made for as long as I can remember had made in Japan stamped on them! I guess labor in Japan got too expensive for the CEO to rake in his big bucks. So now they will try and get rich off the backs of the turks! Shame!
Let me revise that last statement...any lever action Winchester!
I will say there Turkish made shotgun appears to be good. I mean there’s no reason to get it over an American mossberg 88 but it’s a decent shotgun.
@@Odd_Ball69I seen them dented off the shelf, you can’t convince me to get a Turkish made shot gun
Winchester doesn't exist anymore. It's just a name slapped on other companies products.
So proud to hand down my Turkish made heirloom to my grandkids!
Gotta have em survive to adulthood first
Well..... A Turkish made Winchester or a over hyped Henry....
If you want a new "heirloom" gun well good luck
@@jpoppinga8417I got the Henry … runs around 430 to 450. Black steel not the golden receiver that shoots shorts and longs. They got to be competitively priced or I can’t see them moving that fast.
Aluminum receiver. Last 5 year maybe.
The point is to have a 9422 without paying 1500$ for a decent used one. It's about getting to shoot one without paying the big money so ppl who don't have that kinda money laying around to experience it. Not brag about it. I own a original 9422 and I'd buy the ranger to just shoot and not burn up my 9422 anyway. It's a plinker. Something you wouldn't be mad about if it got damaged . Your missing the point. Want a heirloom. Go spend 2k on a original 9422
I’m fine with turkey but for 360 you can go to midway and buy a Henry classic and have it built in the us
Considering its features, a walnut stock, hard anodized, etc., it's a nice looking rifle but it's made in Turkey. It is prominently stamped as Made in Turkey. You can get a made in America, American walnut stock .22lr with the same capacity, etc., for the same money. The Henry equivalent is priced at $369 right now, today, at SW stores. Why would anyone pay the same price for a Turkish rifle when they can get a Henry for the same money, or maybe even less in this case. If Henry can do it with American workers, every American company should be able to do it for that price.
They should have put a threaded barrel on it. Then maybe it would be competitive.
As much as it pains to say, this is not cast with pot metal and the internals are machined and not stamped.
American gun workers are pretty amateurish
@@RCXDerp
They probably will offer it soon. They have to come out with this version initially because of the communist states that don't allow threaded barrels.
@@Texze
Either is the Henry and it's made in America and priced the about the same. This looks like a great beginner rifle but at that price it just doesn't make sense. We al know that MSRP is almost never the actual price paid for a firearm in the US. Depending on how sales go, this rifle may be a heck of a lot less fairly soon.
It's unfortunate that Winchester is just a shell of its former self.
It feels like companies keep trying to get away with charging a good price for an ok-ish gun. It's nothing special and not even made by Winchester or even in the USA
American companies outsourcing the production of the most american product is the most american thing ever.
XD yes@@Xeonerable
Until we take back America from global criminal cabals wearing suits occupying our government ("We the People"), why are we whining about this? If we took half the energy we use to complain about where products are coming from and focused that on fixing our elections and electing people who represent us instead of despising us, then we'd get somewhere.
The finish on the barrel is crappy.
@@feelnrite Remains to be seen. It's not a glossy deep blued finish. Whether the finish is crappy beyond appearance, we'll have to wait for that.
I’ve got a 9422 I bought new in the late 70’s. Pinpoint accurate and still 100% reliable.
It’ll be an heirloom
It was made in Japan
@sixgunnerdotorg4425 he's thinking the bl22. That gun is made in Japan in the same factory as the Browning blr.
Me too . Made in America 9422
9422M made in USA paid $75.00 first year it came out
@josephbolz4550 9422 was made in USA.
Can't make your own product? Bad as Springfield.
If you're talking about made in the USA, it's been years since the bulk of manufacturing went overseas. All of their lever actions and single shots are made in Japan, while bolt actions are assembled in Portugal. The Wildcat rimfire and SXP shotgun are already made in Turkey.
@@kutter_ttl6786 And then Henry does not do that and you can still get a H001 for $350 lol
@@kutter_ttl6786 I would rather save my pennies and buy a quality and hopefully U.S made product
Winchester is missing the boat on this with it being Turkish.
Its just a markup job. Buy them off turkey for 200 each, put them on a boat, for 25 each we ship them and 25 for labor costs whole sale numbers and then they mark them up to 400 when they get off the boat and pocket like 100 profit each. Its business. Its so little money some will sell just because people gotta collect em all like pokemon you know bro its hard to hate a gun. Turkish guns are easy to hate tho. Plenty of hetter options than turkey
It's disappointing that so many companies are importing guns instead of making them in America.
Americans won't work.
Can’t really be disappointed anymore when most US manufacturers suck at innovating new products and find it cheaper to outsource most of their budget guns overseas rather than pay more to make them in the states.
If the customer base voted with their wallets to get these manufacturers to get off their lazy butts and actually innovate to produce better guns for reasonable prices stateside we wouldn’t be having this kind of outsourcing.
Importing to me isn't the problem here. Seemed like he's trying to imply it's a winchester rather than imported by winchester. That alone is a turn off.
@@FoulPet exactly
Winchester doesn't make anything anymore.
Looks like we’ll have to wait for the eventual Ruger-Marlin 39A to get a US made, all-steel .22 lever.
As soon as it come out i got one.
For $1299 with dealers gouging for $1600....
@@dylanhayden8825 yeah the gouging is painful, but I’ve got too many guns as is so I’m in buy-once-cry-once mode and only buying heirloom stuff anymore. If its build quality is on par with the old 94/22s I’ll save up & deal with it; these Rangers are simply not made like that.
THAT'S A GREAT RIFLE! 49 MARLIN!
@@garrettstiles7808 wild how they ever stopped.
You just know this costs them ~$70 to build, if that.
Henry guarantees all of their products with a Lifetime Warranty. As per the Winchester site - "Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product."
That kind of says it all.
@sixgunnerdotorg4425
Henry gives a lifetime warranty. Winchester offers No Warranty. Whatever Ruger does is an entirely different topic.
Still happy with my Henry, after over 15 years and I couldn't guess how many boxes of ammo. Bought it because it'd cycle 22 shorts for pest control. It has NEVER failed to feed shorts, longs, or long rifle ammo, even when mixed in the same tube. Marvelous little weapon. It'd be the last rifle to leave my hands!
@@howardlowry6412
Congrats on a great firearm. I love my Henry's too.
Lmao a Turk gun for 400 bucks? No thanks.
Pass. Made in Turkey, spray painted black (many blemishes visible in this video), discount furniture grade wood and most importantly (the market spoke about this a while ago) no threaded barrel!
TIL anodized alu is spray paint
Why is a threaded barrel so important ? More tactical nonsense , in my opinion . And why on a lever action rimfire ?
Like the stock and the take down feature is GREAT! However, it's going to retail for about as much a Henry and the Henry is made in the USA while this is made in Turkey
Henry uses a cast zinc frame like a hipoint while pretending to be heirloom grade, so I still wouldn’t pick either.
@@xanostermann9030because the originals were cast brass. Milled steel isnt authentic for this particular rifle
The Henry .22 is a German design originally
if we’re going by authenticity, the “Henry” that we have now was started in 1996 by a German. It’s about as authentic as the new Chevy Blazer. In any case, an aluminum reciever is just as authentic as the hipoint frame used by the Henry.
@@xanostermann9030 Did some quick research zinc is superior to aluminum in strength and it is also harder so the Henry is still a superior quality rifle theoretically.
Sigh.. made by Sila, then imported by another company, then marketed by Winchester, then sold by individual gun stores. I want to believe, but there's a whole lotta room for finger-pointing when the inevitable little or big flaws come to light - and those steps of separation allow for the marketer to drop it like a hot potato after a year or two.
Miroku made a Winchester like Winchester. Turkey makes Winchester like High-Points and throws in some human-rights violations to boot!
Maybe this will get Henry to drop the price on their 22's. Henry's are decent enough but a zinc receiver isn't so enticing.
The classic Henry is roughly the same price and made in America. This one is made in Turkey. Nothing against Turkey made firearms but ill buy American first.
@@irreccon
Exactly!! Also, Henry guarantees their products with a Lifetime Warranty. Winchester does not. As a matter of fact if you go the Winchester site this is what it says -
""Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product."
A rifle company that doesn't offer a lifetime warranty on any of their rifles or shoguns is not enticing either.
"Winchester Repeating Arms does not provide written warranties on most of our products and currently there is no “lifetime” warranty on any Winchester Repeating Arms Company product."
Ruger does have a warranty. And one of the best at that. Anyone that isn't satisfied, Ruger sends a pre-paid postage and their turnaround times are under a week for most people....
@sixgunnerdotorg4425 wrong, call them up and ask them. They will tell you just send a rifle in if you have any trouble with it and they will fix it free of charge.
Winchester really dropped the ball having this made in Turkey… I bought my son a made in Turkey wildcat and it’s trash
The Wildcat is pretty cheap. It has a lot of plastic in it too. If it were 120.00 bucks I'd buy it
It's no 9422.
What does it say about the state of ammo in this country, when a company that makes guns and ammo can't get 22 shorts or longs to test in their own guns. Seems rather strange to me.
Who cant get 22 longs bro?
Made in Turkey I assume?
Yes, you can see the manufacturer markings at 1:52
Made in Turkey ?! No thanks.
No kidding. The most untrustworthy nato member we have.
People would paid a premium for a usa made product.
@@brianhoxworth3881the cousins over at Browning build the BL22 in Japan, otherwise buy a Henry
Saw that too. I figured theyd be made in Portugal like the M70. Turkey is a no-go
Lot of their stuff is made in Turkey
I got a Savage, made in Canada. Heavy barrel, shoots good, cost a lot less, and bean counters didn’t move to hostile turf for cheap labor
I wont buy anything from that facade of a nation thats divided our blessed land at its middle. Im sticken with TEXAS, pardner
Already own a Henry .22lr lever rifle that is an exceptional rifle, but I have to say that a one screw takedown is very unique. Not sure if cleaning from the muzzle end will damage your crown if you are properly inserting your jag.
I don’t feel like Winchester is the great American company that it used to be, unless you get into their really high end guns. I just wouldn’t feel like I had a genuine Winchester if I purchased something like this.
Winchester doesn't exist anymore. It's just a name. Even their nice center fire lever actions are made in Japan by a company called Miroku. Good guns, but still not made by Winchester.
@@TylerHulan I do really want one of those Winchester 1873's carbine in .45Colt made in Miroku Japan who do make some fine firearms and yes they are labeled Winchester and are made to Winchester specs !!!
@@jeffreyelliott622 oh yeah don't blame you at all. They make a nice rifle for sure.
What do you mean high end guns? they havent made anything in the USA for decades
Ruger/Marlin, you're on deck!
Marlin has some good lever guns if you buy the ones they have for sale in wood. Still. But marlin not having any lever action or semi auto .22s rn is dissapointing considering marlin has made some of the best .22s ever. The lever action 39a and the one before it that it came from. There was also a pump action .22. Old ones are worth a lot as collectors items but you cant buy new ones.
I mean, both Rossi and Henry have levers for around $400 MSRP. And for Rossi if you go for the one with black polymer furniture instead of the wooden one then the MSRP is around $350.
I have the Rossi Rio Bravo, and it's kinda a gigantic piece of shit for anything outside of plinking. I can't speak for others, but the one I received isn't accurate at any distance. I wouldn't use it as a survival gun. But, that said, I cannot emphasize enough just how much fun it is to shoot, and the large loop I bought for it adds a nice level of drip to it. I tell my friends that the Rio Bravo is rated for minute of fun, not minute of angle. If I can figure out the accuracy issue, I'd be inclined to deck it out further.
Henry are US made too.
@@ChuckBeefOGFisher Price “my first CNC job”. Like Huntsville Remingtons.
@@JoshJones-37334 lol yeah
@@Ghostychief91 Personally, I've had no accuracy problems with my Rio Bravo.
Ok so Canik pistols are made in Turkey. Why the love for them, but not this rifle? Be consistent folks.
I dont like caniks.
Once upon a time Colt had to manufacture in England because American quality was not seen in a good light. I have several Turkish guns that are giving fine service. I tend to use my guns, not put them in a safe to "hand down".
I got excited about this until I seen where it was made. Hard pass.
6 months later and no rifles
The Ranger model has been a thing for Winchester for roughly 40 years. I have 2 shotguns from 84’ that are Ranger models. It’s meant for the budget crowd.
Edit: where the bell is the ranger? We’re 7-8 months from the release and they haven’t hit the shelves.
What a cheap piece of shit compared to a real Winchester 9422.
New from Winchest-Turkey!!!
So, no pot metal and MIM like henry?
Correct
So glad that in late 1972 I went to a local gun store and picked me up a 1972 Winchester Model 9422. That would be first year of manufacture. The fit and finish is awesome. I have only shot about 20 rounds through it. It is a fabulous gun, especially compared to this piece of junk from Turkey.
if you look closely there are already scratches in the finish on the barrel. From what i see its a hard pass unless the finish is improved
I was blown away! A gun gor $419 my kids and grandkids can all shoot?! Wow what a great valu-OH. RIGHT. TURKEY.
Man a Golden Boy is only like 200 more, so you can definitely get a blued Henry for about the same as this.
Henry has same price point 100% made in USA. All parts and wood sourced here all labor here plus a lifetime warranty and good customer support! No brainer unless you want a trademark that no longer means anything!
go henry
@richh5 🇺🇲💯
@richh5824 Henry may be USA manufactured, but Henry uses much lower quality materials like Zamak.
This Winchester is 100% wood, steel, and 7000 series aluminum.
I will buy HENRY. Made in the U.S.A. Now that's a hand me down rifle.......
Winchester Rep was definitely paying a lot of attention that was going on off screen. HIS eyes kept looking away! 😁
I would call that situational awareness. My former girlfriends would say it's looking at ass walking by.
@@Lollygagger-k4pmeh. Shot show isn’t the place to go if you’re trying to look at girls believe me. If you wanna look at gravy seals, wannabe SF guys, and Chinese nationals, shot show is the place to go.
A Turkish Winchester... Notwithstanding legitimate gripes with Turkish QC (or lack thereof), its really unbecoming of a classic American arms maker to source guns from such an un-American place.
I mean winchester makes a lot of guns in a lot of different places too. They make a lot of more expensive guns it sucks this ones from turkey but you csm see how they take other models more seriously the 400 dollar rifle kinda a backburner they made it in turkey. Marlin back in the day made the lever .22s good and it wasny turkey yo
turkish guns seem of suspect quality
turkish food is some of the best
gonna go make some pide
They both make you shit your pants.
“Leverguns, so hot right now.” ~ Mugato
22 mag would interest me alot.... Turkey .... IDK now. I think all the centerfire Winchester leverguns are made in Japan. Why not this one ?
Because it's a budget model, and Turkish manufacturing is cheaper.
Cause they definitely found out a company in Turkey was making a lever action .22 and said "hey we should add that to our line up by putting our name on it". They definitely did not have this as an original idea.
because then it would be 700 dollars and people wouldnt buy it
It's a shame Winchesters are now made in Turkey and Japan..........kills me, bring back New Haven, CT.
Or turkey
I was excited about this until I saw it was made in turkey so that's a hard no for me now
Make forged steel receivers great again.
Make guns less affordable again, you mean?
Why on earth would you want a steel receiver for a .22 rimfire? Waste of material that adds unnecessary weight for what amounts to a plinker you’re more likely to want your kid to learn to shoot with than burn tens of thousands of rounds through at a time.
@@Verdha603 look up 94/22.
@@Verdha603 Using aluminium is totally okay for this as it's just .22lr so the receiver won't be subject to any major stresses.
@@Iceaxehikes I’m aware of the 94/22; it made sense in 1972 when aluminum was a “new fangled technology” and polymer was treated like witchcraft. Nowadays aluminum and other lighter materials are better choices rather than sticking to steel and having a .22 rimfire that’s almost as heavy as the Winchester 94 they based it off of.
Yep, was very excited and eager to watch this vid. Then saw the made in Turkey comment. Nope and no. Sure they can make some great arms, and have historically. Winchester should have Nothing to do with that, and should be putting out American quality and keeping the jobs and money stateside.
Shame on you Winchester.
Their center fire lever guns are all made in Japan.
Ye haw, Japan and Miroku make fine steel and arms. Winchester should still only be marked on an American product.
Well if it don't come in 22 mag they can keep it
Winchester isn't willing to invest in producing these domestically. Only worried about the bottom dollar and not interested in a lasting legacy and haven't been for my entire adult life. When I was 19 and first got into guns Winchester was falling from grace and now I'm 34 and seeing this crap. It's sad.
Winchester struggled with high quality for most of its history. And , it struggled financially
Agree
Finding 22 shorts isn't difficult. Most certainly shouldn't be difficult for a manufacturer for testing.
I think what he really meant is that they didn't consider it important, and to be honest it probably won't be for most users.
Yep, it’s because they are now mainly an importer and no longer a manufacturer. Bummer…
@@markcmannin the business of making money first 😂
Guns made in turkey are for turkeys what a disgrace to the name Winchester I love lever guns but I will definitely not be getting one of these
5:55 I wonder how many more orders or return customers you’ll have when they get it and see made in Turkey on the barrel.
Had a Brazilian takedown youth pump...nickel 22. Packed up 16"...great bugout piece! Better days...gone.
The comments here pass the vibe check. *sips my Turkish coffee*
I mean the comments are that people just don't like other countries making American firearms branded name like Winchester for it doesn't bother me if the QC is in the product !!!
I hope their coffee is better than their guns but i dont drink coffee
This Winchester rep knows he’s peddling garbage
No mentions of a external safety… is it half cock safety like an original Winchester or not? Thanks
The Winchester has both a manual safety and a half cock safety.
Its probably a trigger button saftey i hate those im a lefty
Make an economic 357 lever gun and see what happens...🤔
Itll be too junk. Youre better off paying 5k for a marlin from 1920 and calling it a day before you buy a new gun made in turkey
$400 for a Turkish gun when a made-in-USA Henry is $320-ish? And their dig is that the stock Henry sights aren't great? Get a receiver sight like a Skinner and you're still well under the cost of this import.
Henry uses painted Zamak.
Winchester uses blued steel and billet machined hard coat anodized aluminum.
Turkish Winchester > American Henry
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Henry receivers are die-cast. So are the majority of engine blocks and now even major frame components are being cast (famously, Tesla has made the news with their "gigacasting"). It's a more technical process than you'd think, and I doubt if Turkey has the craftsmanship in the die making process to compete. There's a difference between Hot Wheels and a Tesla, even if they're both cast. The Henry is going to be somewhere in between.
@TrojanManSCP
Billet machined aluminum > Die cast zamak.
Winchester > Henry
@@FinalLugiaGuardian You say that as if it's self evidently true without providing any evidence. You know they're both aluminum alloys, right? Henry uses Zamak 5 with improved specs that they tune in-house. Minimum yield strength is 33ksi, which is about 20% higher than common machinable aluminum billet.
To get the same strength in extruded aluminum billet, you need at least a 6000 series alloy and it must have a proper T6 heat treatment. How much do you trust the Turks to get their materials and heat treat right? And even then, it's a smaller improvement of only about 5-10% stronger than Zamak 5. Arguably, Henry's QC and higher specs can make up the difference even if the Turks do everything right. There have to be millions of Henrys out there. If there were a problem with the receivers, it would be news by this point.
@TrojanManSCP Zamak 5 is a softer metal than the Aluminum receiver Winchester is using.
True. We don't know if the Turks will do everything right with the materials they have. If they do, the Winchester will be a better quality than what the henry lever 22 has.
I want to see what Nutnfancy's testing on the Winchester Ranger Revels.
Turkish shotguns suck. Turkish pistols rule. We will see where the Turkish lever action 22s fall soon enough.
Just about any gun that competes with Henry is gojng to have be significantly cheaper or you might as well get a Henry
I would like to see them make the 62A again.
Another Turkish gun. Cool.
Loading therounds through the tube end? Should have discussed. I'll stick with my All-American Grade A Walnut HENRY!
I thought this was great, until I saw made in Turkey. Now I don't like it. Cheap made Turkish, Chinese, and Brazilian guns make up the bulk of what shows up on my gunsmith bench.
Where has everyone been? Winchester went away in the 1980s…it is what it is.
$419 MSRP for turkshit rebranded as Winchester? Really? And this passes as "budget"? Knowing it's Turkish, its actual value is maybe $100-$150. Extremely disappointing offering from Winchester, I was hoping for something that wasn't trash at the ACTUAL 22lr Lever budget price of $300. Pathetic.
I have a 1980's USA made Winchester in 30-30 1894 model. It is stamped ranger
Meh. I already have a Rossi Rio Bravo, which is basically the same rifle from the looks of it. It's made in Brazil, but I don't have a problem with that.
👎 made in turkey…….that $350 street price is about 200 over what it should be
Winchester should be ashamed to put there name on anything no made in America.
Looks like a parkerized barrel, gross! Not what a Winchester should look like. Last, great! It’s a take down, why the hell didn’t they put a thumb screw on it! Who ever signed off on releasing this garbage to the American public with the Winchester name on should be fired.
Winchester doesn't get it. We want the brand, but Made in the USA"
Harley Davidson Made in Vietnam. Who would buy that?
Still waiting for Winchester to make something in AMERICA for fucks sake
I love 22lr lever guns and pump guns, I know I’ll get one. Henry makes their. 22LR rifle receivers out of high pressure castings of Zamak which is a zinc-aluminium-magnesium-copper alloy. The casting is then either painted to match the color of the rest of the gun or it is covered with BRASS-PLATTED SHEETMETAL. This Ranger is Fully billet aluminum upper and lower, hard anodized, walnut and machined steal internal parts. It has a single screw takedown. 3-5 lbs trigger with user adjustable over travel screw. Don’t get me wrong I love my Henry’s but Turkish made or not this Winchester is a quality made rifle. For all of you saying you’ll pass that only means I have a better chance of getting a Quality made Rifle, so thank you all for that.
TRUTH
Enjoy them importing it for a year since it won’t sell. People used to save a month’s wages for a colt. They had class even when broke. Y’all hate this country
@@seancssu Who hates this country? I have tons of American made guns. People buy tons of foreign made guns, who love this country. I’m not going to buy it and throw away my Henry’s. I’ll just add it to my collection. I was simply pointing out that this is a quality made rifle, I have 2 Henry rifles in 22lr. 1 in 22 mag, 2 Big boys one in 357 mag and 44mag, and a 30-30 x model. I love Henry’s and America so why don’t you go suck a bud lite.
@@seancssu If your buying Henry's centerfire rifles then you are buying Quality I know because I have two big boys one in 357 mag and the other in 44 mag and a large frame X model 30-30. Their 22's are made of exactly what I stated in my previous comment. You can call Henry and ask them if you like. I also have an Evil Roy .22lr, a classic H001LL, and a Mares leg 22 mag all of them great rifles. Also Quit a few more American made Rifles and Handguns and foreign firearms as well. No need to list them. I have no clue why you would say I hate this Country you are wrong for saying that. You sit there talking about people having class, but you talk crap on the internet for no reason at all, showing exactly how little class you have.
Turkey means you’re gonna have to work it over with a file and sandpaper before it feeds reliably.
Its junk man if its from turkey its cursed a sanding wont solve a problem thay requires an exorsism
Thanks for the review.
$419 ????
Many American teenagers are going to be receiving this as their first rifle this year for their birthday, I predict
@@762x69teenagers?
@@aaronporter2180fudds will buy it for their grandkids because they don't use UA-cam or do research past a brand with an American sounding name.
@@aaronporter2180lol dude I live in Kentucky, there's plenty of teens using rifles gifted from their parents 😂
@@aaronporter2180I got my first .22 pistol at 15, first .22 rifle at 16, and a Finnish mosin at 17. So.
The heirloom winchester made in istanbul? What a hunk of shit 🙄
Quick shoutout to luke, i love that you are doing more in front of the camera these days
Winchester got back on the map with premium remakes of their Pre 64 products. This should have been a pre 64 style 94 22. Competing on price is what ruined the brand the first time.
$419, no deal. No point in getting it over a Ruger 10/22 except for feeding subs which you can do with a bolt swap on the 10/22 anyways IIRC.
People getting this want a lever gun for lever guns sake bro. It just sucks winchester picked turkey
I have no use for it . Aluminum sucks for a classic lever action. Would not make a pimple on a Marlin 39A butt plate.
Made in Turkey of course. Price should be $249 at most.
Winchester had a quality ethic that plagued them until 1964. You get what you pay for and they couldn't quite hang with stamped remingtons and marlins. Folks aren't going to buy 1000 dollar 22 rifles made in the USA.
If marlin brings back the model they made the 39a after i will pay anywhere between 501-999 USD
I like Turkish handguns but the aluminum receiver is a really thin sleeve that looks weak. Maybe just buy a Sila and not the more expensive Remington 😂
Very nice. Best part is that it is made in Istanbul, Turkey. Isn't that where old pal Bald Bull, from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, is from?
I’d rather spend a few more dollars and get an American made Henry. Kind of a stupid rifle to release at this price point, imo.
The barrel bluing is horrible! Did they blue it or is it some cheap oxide of some kind?
If it was all steel id be all over it. No aluminum reciever for me on this type of gun. Shame
Luke looking fit as fuck. Good job dude!
Back in about 1975 I debated between a Winchester and a Marlyn 49-A I chose the Longer Marlyn because it could handle shorts , longs and Long rifles, plus the microgroove rifling.
I have always had some issues with actioning live rounds. The Winchester was Probably still made in the USA back then .
I have actually worked at trying to make the action smoother recently .
Lever action looks like a marlin , which did have better lever action than Winchester.
ITHACA MADE BETTER JUNK THAN THIS OVER 50 YEARS AGO
if anyone owns a 9422 these resemble , finish wise, nothing like them ...
1:54 Thanks Mr. cameraman
Well at first I was a bit excited.... Then I saw the Istanbul, Turkey in BOLD engraving.
and "Turkish Walnut".... WTF....
I didnt even know turkey had trees
I swear I heard a ruger 10/22 laugh.
Some guns are just about looking cool man.