Where Does The U.S. Go From Here | Gaza: The Human Toll
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- The CSIS studio broadcasts - ‘Gaza: The Human Toll’-are produced by the CSIS Bipartisan Alliance for Global Health Security, with co-sponsorship of the CSIS Humanitarian Agenda and the CSIS Middle East Program. Please join us for the twelfth one-hour episode, Thursday, May 23, 9:00-10:00am ET, for a discussion of U.S. policy toward the ongoing health and humanitarian crises in Gaza. Moderator J. Stephen Morrison, Senior Vice President and Director, CSIS Global Health Policy Center, will be joined by Ambassador David Satterfield, Senior Advisor on the Middle East, U.S. Department of State, Nick Schifrin, Foreign Affairs and Defense Correspondent, PBS NewsHour, Michelle Strucke, Director, CSIS Humanitarian Agenda and Human Rights Initiative, and Jon B Alterman, Senior Vice President, Zbigniew Brzezinski Chair in Global Security and Geostrategy, and Director, CSIS Middle East Program.
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Shame on Israel and the United States
Ah yes! Little Satan and Great Satan-!!! 😅
Are Palestinians not traumatised by Israeli occupation and illegal settlements.
Does it matter that vast majority of the Israelis think that Palestinians should be perpetually under Apartheid? . The White South African Govt's position was that the native Africans should always be under Apartheid yet, their opinion was overruled. The World has to decide what is right for both people, not just leave it to Israelis to decide what should happen to Palestinians
Israel has videos of US politicians and DC elites.
Ambassador is pathetic, he blames Hamas, Egypt and doesn't see the blood thirstiness of Israeli society and their genocidal leaders Bibi, Gallant, Gantz not to mention Ben Gavir, Smoltrich.
Tiptoeing delicately… so as not to be critical of Israel. If it was any other country , these folks would be screaming their condemnation of that country.
Not one speaker with a Palestinian or middle east background.
Exactly.
Well you could say they have Middle East backgrounds if you go back 2000 years lol.
being human is necessary.
@@moidalam6275Resist the temptation to think like an a.n.i.m.a.l
Because they have no control of the situation. From a strategic point of view, Palestine and it's people are completely at the mercy of others at this time. This being the center of strategic and international studies, it makes sense that the speakers are comprised of viewpoints that actually have strategic agency in this situation. Palestinians can express whatever they wish in whatever forum, but they have no influence over the outcome here so it's kinda pointless.
That's a pretty dark perspective but a realistic one.
They all speak around the actual issues. No one here wants to criticize the Israeli's.
42:24 - 45:52 Thats the whole ballgame folks, doesnt matter how bad Oct 7 was (and Pro Israeli people frequently cite this as justification for the continued military operation in Gaza - Amb Satterfield even makes this point earlier in the video) it matters how you conduct yourself in response. Certain actions aren't acceptable no matter what, you don't get to go Berserk on another population because you were attacked.
AIPAC - Do they have influence on the g-side?
Are they off limits to mention?
I have never seen this number of people disconnected from reality setting in one place like this group in the video
What has your country done?
Ambassador, if you say your progress is so great, can you explain why there still is a humanitarian crisis there?
It's how he managed to keep the Blinken Report from outright saying Israel was breaking laws: that there was an issue but that there had been improvements. It's truly disgusting.
Why isn't Michelle Strucke's name listed in the description of this episode? Her contribution to the discussion is the only reason I listen to the podcast and she deserves the respect of being acknowledged in the credits. Especially as she, the only woman, has the balls to callout the gaslighting of the other "state officials" who won't use the words that are needed to describe the situation, like "famine"...
Respectfully, you may want to read the description again. Michelle is surely mentioned and credited there.
Discussing the Human Toll with 'happy socks' says alot.
Thank you Michelle for your insights
The ambassador should shift his family to Gaza if he is so satisfied with humanitarian trend
David and John are Israel first and not America first.
Has anyone got a source for the claim Egypt is holding back aid?
There is no such
David satterfield says it and it is not challenged!obsured! To say the least.
Israel has been holding back aid.
Hamas was firing rockets at the crossing . U need some catchup with those fries ?
@@user-il2er3uo8h according to the state department which gets its info from Israel.
A superb and unsurprisingly balanced discussion. No real solution in sight, Rafah operations will occur and conflict will continue indefinitely. No good outcomes for anyone.
unless you give the Palestinians their rights
Greetings from New England.
You can notice in many forms of media the explicit or implicit usage of Jews relating to major wars or struggles. Names include Zelensky, Israel, Netanyahu, Nuland, Palestine, Kissinger, Iger, Cohen, etc. This encompasses the two major ongoing wars in Ukraine and Israel. I think this could very well be a scapegoat tactic to mask the failures of a major institution(s).
Satterrfield and Bide Admin is unfortunately a disappointment, which is evident from his comments
I am concerned about Israelis and Gazans. Hamas has always been known as a terrorist group. And, I’m concerned that Israel’s and Hamas international reputation is so completely toxic that its reputation is no better than that of the Hamas terrorists. That doesn’t bode well for the long term survival of Israel. Netanyahu has left Israel without hope for a peaceful future.
Remember white supremacists and colonialists did the same to red indians. They conveniently labeled them as savages to justify the genocide of the indigenous people. British did the genocide in US, Canada, Australia, NZ. Palestine is modern settler colonialism, and there was ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide involved in the colonization
Israel has been abusive for 75 years to Palestinians.
No balance in this panel very one sided
Of course the US has a huge ability to enforce defconfliction, stop weapon supply and recognize the Palestinian state so that our vision for 2 states can see the light
Palestine doesnt have a Govt how can it be a state ?
Hell
Who start the " starvation process" ? EGYPT?
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In the old days people fought wars to win even if it meant terrible suffering for the civilians of the enemy. Could the USA have won world war II if it was held to the standards the world wishes to apply to Israel? Would it have been better to let Japan and Germany prevail? Would the resulting world order been more humane? Would the amount of human suffering been less?
The major difference I see is that at the end of the ww2 there wasn't a prospect of occupation over Japan and Germany. They were both given their land and helped rebuild. The prospect of Israel defeating Hamas ends with occupation of all of palestanian land. It's seems logical that if the Palestanian civilians were offered a choice to abandon Hamas and armed resistance in exchange for independence they would take it. But they aren't given that option so they will continue to choose resistance.
Another point, this israel/palestine issue isn't comparable to ww2. US and western allies had no claims or desire to own and occupy Germany and Japan. Israel has no place to go, they can't defeat Hamas and retreat back to their homeland thousands of miles away. It would be as if USA claimed Germany as a 51st state and that Germany would be controlled by US forever. In that scenario I don't think the German people would ever have given up.
@@Mazz88The Palestinians have a choice: they can either accept peacefully living next to an Israeli state or being in perpetual war with an Israeli state. So far left to their own devices they opt for conflict because they do not accept the existance of the state of Israel. While Israel is not blameless (i.e. settlement activity), it has offered the Palestinians a deal for mutual coexistance which the Palestinians did not accept. The Palestinians are so far incapable of acting in a politically unified way which also means that there is no Palestinian authority with public legitimacy that could even agree to such a settlement of the conflict and act to enforce such a settlement (by preventing attacks on Israel). The West can choose to support Israel or not but it should not be under the illusion that the alternative to the order Israel maintains is anything but an Islamist tyranny with all that implies.
I disagree but hear your points. I think it is inevitable that eventually Palestinians need an independent state, or else this will continue forever. Do you agree that hypothetically palestine should become an independent state? If hypothetically they were all peaceful and recognize Israel? Or do you think they should never get a state?
The problem is that after World War 2, the US contributed to creating the UN and built a world order based on human rights and the promotion of democracy. The whole US moral stand and soft power rely on the promotion of human rights and democracy. The question at hand is if the US leaders are willing to sacrify its standing in the world for a foreign country. The answer seems to be yes. They are willing to do that.
The, “let’s nitpick someone else’s war” show. I wish I learned something new other than Israel can’t do anything right in this panel’s opinion.
The US has funded this whole massacre. Sent bombs and artillery to cause this humanitarian disaster. So damn right we in the US should "nitpick"
Exodus ≈ Pi 🧬
Moses received the value of Pi directly from God on Mt. Sinai in 1440 BC, specifically to construct the Wilderness Tabernacle. However, it is regrettable that in 94 AD, a historian mistakenly portrayed the design of Herod's Temple instead of the Wilderness Tabernacle. Thankfully, after two millennia, the blueprints from Exodus have been accurately interpreted.
A) Pi from Exodus 26
330 Exodus 26.8 eleven curtains each 30 cubits long
15 Exodus 26.12 one of the curtains is folded in half to 15 cubits long
- 1 Exodus 26.13 curtain hang over/seams add up to 1 cubit long
= 314
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B) Pi from Exodus 27
3.14 = 314 circumference/100 diameter ≈ π ratio (100 cubit court per Exodus 27.9-18)
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History of Finding π:
-(1680 BC) Babylonians 3.125
-(1650 BC) Egyptians 3.1605
-(1440 BC) Moses 3.141592653... Exodus 26 & 27 ≈ Pi
-(500 BC) Chinese 3.1415926 - 3.1415927
-(250 BC) Archimedes from Syracuse 3.1408 and 3.1429
*3.14 was used as an approximation for π in education before calculators in the late 1970s AD
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1500 years later, Flavius Josephus did NOT know that Exodus 26 & 27 approximated Pi. In 2 Kings they rediscovered the FORGOTTEN scriptures in Solomon's Temple itself. 1 Kings 7 confirms they did NOT take advantage of this superior tech. We lost Exodus ≈ Pi 3500 years ago on Mt. Nebo when Moses died, but now we have it back.
Religious or Non-Religious please utilize the scientific method and maintain consistent hermeneutics in proving these blueprints for God's big tent.
The Church is upgrading its biblical and systematic theologies.
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Exodus 26.8, 12, 13 ≈ 3.14
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Exodus 27.9-18 ≈ 3.14
These bots though. 😂🎉
What a load of crap about Hamas,,,,,
It's easy to criticize Israel's heavy-handed approach to Gaza. Particularly if one is simply trying to score cheap political points or virtue signal. However, I don't hear anyone describing a credible alternative approach for how to deal with an enemy that deliberately embeds itself in the civilian population, in schools and hospitals, underneath apartment buildings. Anyone? I'm all ears...
These same people would have to oppose the US's approach to war against Imperial Japan.
They somehow think that you do not have to put these ideologies into total defeat in order to root them out.
They think Nazi Germany will cease its final solution if you try to negotiate with them enough.
They think, because the prosecution harms the defendant's alleged dependents, you are not allowed to prosecute criminal conduct.
They are not your friends; they do not support the rule of law; they do not support consequences for actions.
My problem, as previously, with Bibi's use of the IDF (apart from the Golden Dome tech, which is excellent and which they should double, so that there is no ambiguity that Israel doesn't need to persecute the occupied territories to defend itself), is that he's not defending Israel with the bombings or water/food/fuel/ electricity/shipping cutoffs to Gaza. The IDF could easily move section by section through the West Bank, evacuating the population to well-accomodated shelters, scanning the area with special tech, removing all weapons, filling & gassing the tunnels, all without dropping a single bomb or shooting anyone who isn't firing directly at them. The civilians in key installations like hospitals could simply have been scanned and allowed to wait in fully supplied facilities while the IDF conducted its screens and then all could be returned to normal operation in 24 to 48 hours tops. They could leave behind electronic monitors everywhere and say that these were the exchange for a guarantee of safety from bombing and attack. Everyone woulc have agreed. No one is being given these reasonable options. Israel obviously DOES have a right to defend itself precisely in these reasonable, human rights respecting, & frankly more effective ways. Bibi does not have a right to do what he has been doing with bombings & supply cutoffs, any more than awful Hamas had a right to its latest round of foolhardy terrorism.
My problem, as previously, with Bibi's use of the IDF (apart from the Golden Dome tech, which is excellent and which they should double, so that there is no ambiguity that Israel doesn't need to persecute the occupied territories to defend itself), is that he's not defending Israel with the bombings or water/food/fuel/ electricity/shipping cutoffs to Gaza. The IDF could easily move section by section through the West Bank, evacuating the population to well-accomodated shelters, scanning the area with special tech, removing all weapons, filling & gassing the tunnels, all without dropping a single bomb or shooting anyone who isn't firing directly at them. The civilians in key installations like hospitals could simply have been scanned and allowed to wait in fully supplied facilities while the IDF conducted its screens and then all could be returned to normal operation in 24 to 48 hours tops. They could leave behind electronic monitors everywhere and say that these were the exchange for a guarantee of safety from bombing and attack. Everyone woulc have agreed. No one is being given these reasonable options. Israel obviously DOES have a right to defend itself precisely in these reasonable, human rights respecting, & frankly more effective ways. Bibi does not have a right to do what he has been doing with bombings & supply cutoffs, any more than awful Hamas had a right to its latest round of foolhardy terrorism. Israel owes full reparations to Gaza & an international authority should ensure that all openings to it by land & sea are kept open in perpetuity. Most would leave if they were allowed.
I highly doubt Israel's bombing campaign will stand up to scrutiny once it is actually studied at a granular level - I think the IDF and decision makers were/are succumbing to the desire for vengeance. Personally, I dont understand the thinking behind dropping 500lb and 2000lb bombs on a highly dense urban setting where you know civilians are everywhere and have nowhere to go, I cannot understand how this is the only way. I am not a military expert, I have no idea what you're supposed to do, but I really dont think this is the way to do it. I don't believe the US would conduct itself this way either, though the US does not make itself look good with much of our conduct during the GWOT - especially the earlier years.
@@bigtuna45 Will Hamas' actions "stand up to scrutiny?"
Total bs.
Solid conversation. Michelle didn't add any value.
Ah ah ah ah Monty Pyton is not so good ah ah ah
My problem, as previously, with Bibi's use of the IDF (apart from the Golden Dome tech, which is excellent and which they should double, so that there is no ambiguity that Israel doesn't need to persecute the occupied territories to defend itself), is that he's not defending Israel with the bombings or water/food/fuel/ electricity/shipping cutoffs to Gaza. The IDF could easily move section by section through the West Bank, evacuating the population to well-accomodated shelters, scanning the area with special tech, removing all weapons, filling & gassing the tunnels, all without dropping a single bomb or shooting anyone who isn't firing directly at them. The civilians in key installations like hospitals could simply have been scanned and allowed to wait in fully supplied facilities while the IDF conducted its screens and then all could be returned to normal operation in 24 to 48 hours tops. They could leave behind electronic monitors everywhere and say that these were the exchange for a guarantee of safety from bombing and attack. Everyone woulc have agreed. No one is being given these reasonable options. Israel obviously DOES have a right to defend itself precisely in these reasonable, human rights respecting, & frankly more effective ways. Bibi does not have a right to do what he has been doing with bombings & supply cutoffs, any more than awful Hamas had a right to its latest round of foolhardy terrorism. Israel owes full reparations to Gaza & an international authority should ensure that all openings to it by land & sea are kept open in perpetuity. Most would leave if they were allowed.