There was nothing there for the lawyer to argue. Everyone is entitled to a defense, but not every case is defendable. Sayonara, Ms Payne. You threw your entire life away. One potential threat off the streets.
Totally agree. Cunning use of the word 'potential' there, lol. The broad's a serial killer in the making. I hear she watched Deathwish over and over as a kid.
and she wanted to be a police officer. (and this next statement is no pun intended or be mean or anything negative although, negativity by no actions of his own) Mr. Herring paying w/ his life, proving h.p. would have been a horrible police officer & law enforcement has e~nuff/TOO MANY of those types w/o her... I said this long ago, h.p. blames, EVERRRRYONE but herself & her actions on 5/7/2019 b4 the D. A . read that statement h. p. wrote about wanting to be a police officer & was correct. but why I felt that way, wasn't clear, until, the D. A. read that statement written by h. p. did it become crystal her mind set & true motivation & the intent of her action that spiraled out of control & led to an outcome she didn't foresee but could have changed @ many key moments & especially, what the dispatchers told her, B4 shooting Mr. Herring & that is Idiocracy of the whole situation... you wanted to be Angie Dickerson, Police Woman & now will never be...
The fact that Hannah was 21 years old when this happened is NOT a factor imo. At 21 I was working full time as a registered nurse. I wouldn't have followed a vehicle involved in a car crash after running thru a red light. That is the responsibility of Law Enforcement. Two witnesses testified that Hannah was enraged. Yelling "get out of the fu**ing car, moth**fu***r" repeatedly. She chose to involve herself in a car crash that she had no part in. Perhaps she needs to consider not carrying a firearm until she deals with her violent temper, rage towards others & involvement in a situation that was none of her business.🕵️♂️👮🚔
I heard her on the video saying "Get out of the fu**ing car" and I was in shock! Is she a cop wannabe? What was she trying to accomplish? That wasn't her place to point a gun at him or demand he exit the car as she is not law enforcement. I do feel a little bit of sympathy that a young person has thrown their life away but I can't stop wondering, what on earth was she thinking?
@@francesmcstay people having sympathy for a 25yr old woman (age i was when became a parent!) who *still* hasn't accepted *any* responsibility for her absolutely deplorable crimes committed *4yrs* prior because she got busted so "young " (old enough to fight for her country, drink alcohol, & *certainly* know not to threaten people with a deadly weapon!) for *literally* deadly level of entitlement confuse me i'm grateful she didn't have more time to harm even more people & hope they throw the book at her
A lot of criminal defense attorneys know their client is guilty. If they are hired to defend someone a person facing long odds they try to work out a plea or get an acquittal on some or all of the charges. If that fails they argue for as lenient of a sentence as they can. But they get paid regardless
@@stevea6816 Yeah thats why the big firms dont want em, criminal defense attorneys working for the state have much lower IQs then the ones at the big firms. If you are state defense attorney and you win all your cases head hunters will find you.
THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY was too flippant in his demeanor. He should have showed empathy to the victim, agree with the witnesses and argue only whether her actions were reasonable bc EVERYBODY AIN'T LYING. SHE can't tell us anything more; we SAW what we saw and HEARD what we heard SIR
the way he treated the witness in the white sweater was *absolutely* disgusting! i hope the *killer* gets the book thrown at her for dragging this out so long & *still* showing *zero* remorse for anyone but herself
Another Black 65 yr old man in GA who was chased down by a White person ( woman ) in a vehicle with a gun who had no authority to do so, especially for a traffic violation that she wasn't a part of. The 911 operator told her not to chase after the guy but she continued to do so and then confronted the elder gentlemen which led to her pointing and firing a Springfield DX 9 millimeter handgun into his abdomen , killing him. This is the same story that happened to Ahmad Arbery ,also a Black man that was chased down by 3 White men (,the McMichaels) in a pickup with a shotgun while on foot and murdered for going inside an empty house under construction that didn't belong to them. They are serving life sentences without parole. People have a problem in GA when it comes to interfering in situations that are none of their business! 🤔
Let’s not forget all the other innocent black victims that died at the hands of savage white people and yet white people say blacks kills more whites like gtfo
@@blessinggoodthings3124 That's not what caused him to be so unprofessional! He didn't do the "very best he could", or we would have seen a respectful Defense Attorney arguing his case with facts and logic, not the faces of a second grader. Being a likable, respectful, professional is what jurors want to see. They have a lot more empathy for a defendant who's representation practices proper decorum in the court room. She entered the court in a losing situation, and this attorney put the nails in her coffin.
@@MoonAndStarsTogether Honestly, I don't believe he fits the bill for either role. The defense attorney still needs to be able to connect with people (specifically his adversaries, so to speak), but he comes off more like a small lot car salesman w/o credibility. I think Hannah received the convictions she deserved, but she also had poor representation. She made some wickedly bad decisions and it's hard to imagine what she could have been thinking at the time. She had no where near the maturity level necessary to own a firearm.
Hannah Payne got life in prison. 30 years is a life term in Georga. Those who committed serious violent felonies on or after July 1, 2006, must serve 30 years before being eligible for parole. Life in prison is mandatory for murder in Georgia. She got 30 years plus 13 years. That is 43 years. She will be eligible for parole when she is 68 if she does the 30 + 8+ 5.
Ha! The defence lawyer criticises witnesses for not telling the same account as initially stated. BUT when his client gives a differing account to what SHE stated, they said , well it was over 4 years ago !! Double standards, methinks!
She would have been better off confessing her to what she did. This long drawn out lie is a waste of tax payers dollars and an insult to the jurors intelligence!!
So because he caused a crash that noone got hurt she terminated he had to die. Yes like the prosecutor said this Mans punishment for a misdemeanor was death, how unreal.
trying to argue she's not a murderer but a well intentioned girl who got "caught up" is unreal & incredibly insulting - so glad she was found guilty on *all* charges & hope she gets the book thrown at her for not just refusing to take responsibility but putting everyone through this ordeal for so long!
This situation further affirms what we all know about trials like this - esp in backwards places. Historically, a defense like this for a person who likes like Hannah would have been more than enough to get an acquittal. They took it for granted and got their A$& handed to them in this particular case!😂
Have you ever seen the Joanna Madonna defense lawyer? I thought he was the state prosecutor. I could not believe some of the stuff that came out of his mouth. I dont have a law degree and I could have taken her case and got her manslaughter. He got her life without parole for killing her husband who was just a dirty old man who dragged her family down. Her lawyer staged it as if she was in love with him, but had no choice but to defend herself after she borrowed a gun and a knife and left a messy murder scene. She basically told the cops things she should not have said.
The defense lawyer is full of 💩! He stated his client chased after the victim in order to get his license plate number. If that were the case then she had no reason to cut him off and get out of her car to approach him.
the absolute refusal to take *any* accountability, victim blaming, disrespecting witnesses & worst of all trying to frame the *aggressor* as the victim makes me hope she gets the book thrown at her! even *if* she had "good intentions" & was not "chasing" him but "only following" him *all* of that went out the window when *she* not only held him hostage but brought a deadly weapon into the situation!
@@r_and_a Exactly! And another thing every one needs to remember is that she told the 911 operator “they always get away with things.” It doesn’t matter that she appears to have a few black friends and a brown-skinned boyfriend. Had that been a little old white grandma driving away, she absolutely would not reacted this way. I keep saying it, her rage and actions were a product of her racial beliefs, not a product of the factual events or the desire to do right.
@@AMG-on-2nd 💯! her delusional belief she did nothing wrong, willingness put her victim's loved ones & witnesses through all this are all also products of her racial beliefs imo, certainly not the factual events or desire to do the right thing video i saw of her at the crime scene, interrogation & much of the trial (admittedly not all) showed *zero* concern for *anyone* but herself! *especially* if she'd *actually* well meaning you'd expect her to be upset she took a life not just that she screwed up hers
@@r_and_a Right again! How can someone execute someone and feel no regret other than how much trouble they’re about to be in?! Just like the Ahmad Aubrey murder, where those guys really didn’t care that they ended someone’s life. All they cared about was getting out of trouble.
@@AMG-on-2nd do think ahmad's case was worse as they seemed to actually get a "thrill" chasing him down whereas i think she was motivated more by racial indignation & felt entitled but not actual enjoyment
he is not explaining or convincing the jury that she is innocent. he seems to running through the facts again. isn't his job during closing arguments to present the evidence that she is innocent, no wonder the jury came back so quickly
Looks like Mama Payne (I’m guessing) and family needs a lesson in courtroom decorum as well as her attorney. Twirling her hair conspicuously in the front row and making facing while someone is discussing a MURDER is not a good look, no matter which side you are on.
She handled with surgical precision while the defense showed himself to be an incompetent clown! I wonder what law school he went to. That school must be so proud of their ‘good ole boy’!😂😂😂
These conditions that are NOT ONLY applies to the killers/murderers of both Travis (36) & Gregory McMichael (66), William Bryan (52) who had committed both Felon & Malice Murders of Ahmaud Arbery (25) by also these very same conditions should also apply to Hannah Payne as well too which is, Hannah Payne (25) during & also after her prison/jail sentence is simply (NOT) Allowed to make any money for her actions as such as, Book Deals, Movie Deals, Social Media Deals, & or anything along the lines in any way, shape or form of making money of her experience, of her conviction & her trial at all and should any money should been made to going to a Fund for the Kenneth Herring's family and having this condition being imposed before & given in the nature of her case just to seek to make sure based on her actions have found to be guilty of murder that she (DON'T) Reap some sort of benefit profit of her actions via as such renumeration unto from anyone in form of Book Deals, Movie Deals, Consulting Fees, & Telling her story to someone for exchange of money at all of course.
First of all, I almost forgot what the hell this MF was talking about This cigarette, smoking, scotch, or bourbon drinking, Pretender, not a defense attorney, but a pretender, really lost his clients case, his expressions, they were unnecessary, and he looked very gimmicky, plus it was obvious that he was trying to twist, witness statements, etc. This girl was wrong, plain and simple. She should have minded her own business, he should’ve tried to make her look a little softer, but he couldn’t because her 911 spoke volumes
Absolutely, all of this was preventable… even if the juror’s wanted to show her some leniency the mere fact she showed no remorse at any point would’ve concluded my judgment.
To the Herring family. I am watching the trial from Ontario Canada. I was very touched by your brother. He did not die in vain. If he hadn't died, I would not have known what a great man he really was while he existed on earth. Ken's life on earth has touched many people.
The next time a high school graduate gets to carry a gun to protect herself and her money till, their employers should make sure these very young adults, raised on TV and movies knows the law and rules about carrying weapons.
I do think his speech could be a residual effect from the stroke he recently had. Having said that, there is still no excuse for the way he carried himself in the court room regarding his over the top expressions. The family doesn't have the intelligence to realize how much his behavior reflected on the defendant. If the family felt she was in the right, they have no intelligence whatsoever!
His drunk azz never had a stroke. The judge called the hospital personally because she's had issues with him before. He was in the hospital, but he did not have a damn stroke. He took a couple of shots every day of the trial. Lmao
@@rickjames5998she's not a mechanic, or law enforcement, or medical professional - so doubt she had any way of knowing what the was or wasn't leaking, obviously didn't know the law & certainly didn't seem to care about the *actual* victim's well being or anyone else's imo
@@r_and_a She did say that the vehicle was leaking from the radiator, but I agree that she showed no concern for him. I'm not a mechanic either, but I might be concerned that if he's damaged the vehicle, it might be dangerous to shoot.
@@teveson8256it's *always* dangerous to shoot, even on a range, hence one of the charges she was convicted of just involved the gun itself. my point was there's no reason to believe hannah knew if it was leaking "coolant & oil, not gas" as the person i replied to declared & it'd change nothing anyways
I have watched his trial and it’s so sad for the victims family and the defendant and what I can see here. The defendant seems to feel she’s in the right and many people categorize other people in certain way like Karen’s. There’s some truth to this, and somehow she felt empowered to do what she did, and it’s sad because her life is ruined now because she had a gun and felt she had the power and she ruined peoples lives and her self and what really did her in was no remorse or realizing she had no authority to do what she did and this is what people call Karen
He is not a good Attorney. He made himself look bad. He confused himself trying to confuse and discredit the witnesses. If I was his client, I would ask for half or all my money back. And all those who live in the town this attorney lives in, should not hire him.
What a BS argument. 1) He never explained why she cut him off preventing him from driving forward when she was supposed to only follow him. 2) He never explained why she decided to exit her vehicle. 3) He never explained how she got close enough to get into a physical altercation with someone that never exited their vehicle.
5:05 - Radiation Fluids leaking out of it? What the F is this guy talking about? This is why you shouldn't hire someone who looks like a character out of the Sopranos as your defense lawyer.
A 9 years old child is more intelligent enough and fit for the job than this defense lawyer. What a horrific Lawyer., I'm sure he drink one or two glasses of Gin N juice before court, cant you tell?
This is the 3rd time that I've scrolled back to rewatch/listen to him haha Usually I can leave these trials playing in the background but I think his accent makes it a little difficult to stay focused haha
@jocelynastheart2732 Yep! I couldn't do it a 4th time! I was close to the half way mark too! But I honestly didn't hear much of what he was saying and rly cbf attempting again, so I gave up! Lol
I hope to the high heavens that her family didn’t pay him. I’m hoping he owed them a favor & took the case. But if that is it, he still owes them a favor because this is a horrible defense!!!
I don't think I've laughed so hard reading through these comments about this man's closing lol. Somebody said "He made it worse for Hannah by opening his mouth" LOL naw but fr wtf is he even talking about in his closing? LOL
She pursued and trapped a man, everything that happened as a consequence of HER actions alone. She is a loose cannon literally with zero judgment. She shot and killed a man, if she didn't pull her weapon, Mr. Herring would be alive today. A man lost his life because of Payne and should suffer consequences because she should have known better but defied officials telling her to return to the scene because she was nothing more than a witness and witness don't chase down a fender bender and kill him. Geeze, she should have pleaded out.
How is everyone evolved in this case wrong accept your client Sir! Everyone testified against your client and there perception of the events are the same! GUILTY AS CHARGED! Oh we also know why you were pretending to fall asleep! Mistrial! 🤔
The entire fact remains that the accident was none of her concern, she should have kept on moving like everyone else. She change the whole scenario. Her lawyer was useless, he tried to turn the victim into the bad guy, she went after Mr. Herring like she was the police, even after being told not to. She sitting they looking stupid because she knows she intentionally killed a man.
Even if everything he said is true, getting yourself into a situation where the other person could pull the trigger already seems overboard, especially when you consider the authorities typically dont want the public that involved. I like that people in the public try to help officers, but i dont like untrained undividuals pulling guns in situations that dont need em.
The lead attorney is a poor excuse for a lawyer. he did an extremely poor job of representing the guilty. Where in the hell did he get his law degree , Mexico?
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This Attorney is very desperate and embarrassing.
He is only doing his job as a defence lawyer, He has a difficult case here because the case is not in his client favour.
@@blessinggoodthings3124 He wasn’t doing his client any favors with all the faces he was making during the State’s closing statement…
There was nothing there for the lawyer to argue. Everyone is entitled to a defense, but not every case is defendable.
Sayonara, Ms Payne. You threw your entire life away. One potential threat off the streets.
lets hope she doesnt get the whitr gurl privledge and get like 25 years with possibility of parole after like 10 years
Totally agree. Cunning use of the word 'potential' there, lol. The broad's a serial killer in the making. I hear she watched Deathwish over and over as a kid.
That will not happen, each offense starts at 10 years, so that’s a guaranteed 40 to life
I believe the judge said that the sentences will run concurrently. As in they will not stack on top of each other.
and she wanted to be a police officer.
(and this next statement is no pun intended or be mean or anything negative although, negativity by no actions of his own)
Mr. Herring paying w/ his life, proving h.p. would have been a horrible police officer & law enforcement has e~nuff/TOO MANY of those types w/o her...
I said this long ago, h.p. blames, EVERRRRYONE but herself & her actions on 5/7/2019 b4 the D. A . read that statement h. p. wrote about wanting to be a police officer & was correct. but why I felt that way, wasn't clear, until, the D. A. read that statement written by
h. p. did it become crystal her mind set & true motivation & the intent of her action that spiraled out of control & led to an outcome she didn't foresee but could have changed @ many key moments & especially, what the dispatchers told her, B4 shooting Mr. Herring & that is Idiocracy of the whole situation...
you wanted to be Angie Dickerson, Police Woman & now will never be...
She lost because her lawyer came across as just as entitled as her. Blaming the victim is low
Her lawyer looks and sounds like one of those ambulance chasers you see on late night commercials.
She LOST because SHE is GUILTY !
^ that part.
She would have lost no matter who she had as a lawyer.
EXCELLENT & SPOT ON !!!
The fact that Hannah was 21 years old when this happened is NOT a factor imo. At 21 I was working full time as a registered nurse. I wouldn't have followed a vehicle involved in a car crash after running thru a red light. That is the responsibility of Law Enforcement. Two witnesses testified that Hannah was enraged. Yelling "get out of the fu**ing car, moth**fu***r" repeatedly. She chose to involve herself in a car crash that she had no part in. Perhaps she needs to consider not carrying a firearm until she deals with her violent temper, rage towards others & involvement in a situation that was none of her business.🕵️♂️👮🚔
I heard her on the video saying "Get out of the fu**ing car" and I was in shock! Is she a cop wannabe? What was she trying to accomplish? That wasn't her place to point a gun at him or demand he exit the car as she is not law enforcement. I do feel a little bit of sympathy that a young person has thrown their life away but I can't stop wondering, what on earth was she thinking?
@@francesmcstay people having sympathy for a 25yr old woman (age i was when became a parent!) who *still* hasn't accepted *any* responsibility for her absolutely deplorable crimes committed *4yrs* prior because she got busted so "young " (old enough to fight for her country, drink alcohol, & *certainly* know not to threaten people with a deadly weapon!) for *literally* deadly level of entitlement confuse me
i'm grateful she didn't have more time to harm even more people & hope they throw the book at her
She wasn't thinking. That's why she & an innocent man wrestled over a gun. Killing that 63 year old man. RIP good Sir💔😥
Don't your system lock up 14 yr old rape victims, 10 yr old murderers.... Why should she be excused?😂😂😂Grown heffa
The reason her age is relevant is because she just barely turned of age to carry a weapon.
Let’s be honest, this lawyer took this case for a quick payday he knew she was guilty
Fact💯 he said anything just to look like he was TRYING to win the case 😂😂
A lot of criminal defense attorneys know their client is guilty. If they are hired to defend someone a person facing long odds they try to work out a plea or get an acquittal on some or all of the charges. If that fails they argue for as lenient of a sentence as they can. But they get paid regardless
They know they’re guilty 99.9% of the time.
Yeah paid him for 4 years?
@@stevea6816 Yeah thats why the big firms dont want em, criminal defense attorneys working for the state have much lower IQs then the ones at the big firms. If you are state defense attorney and you win all your cases head hunters will find you.
He said absolutely nothing for almost an hour.
CTFU!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
EXACTLY!!! Just wasting time.
If he wasn’t count appointed….🥴.
I thought you were exaggerating a bit, but it was an hour!! Dam, like you are going to lose, so just STFU!!!! 😂
What do you mean by he said nothing for an hour? The defense and the state each take turns. The lawyer never shut his mouth.
She's guilty
@@hollyjasmine8172
Right! And she wasn’t even involved in the accident 😮
THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY was too flippant in his demeanor. He should have showed empathy to the victim, agree with the witnesses and argue only whether her actions were reasonable bc EVERYBODY AIN'T LYING. SHE can't tell us anything more; we SAW what we saw and HEARD what we heard SIR
the way he treated the witness in the white sweater was *absolutely* disgusting! i hope the *killer* gets the book thrown at her for dragging this out so long & *still* showing *zero* remorse for anyone but herself
That type of attitude won many cases
Another Black 65 yr old man in GA who was chased down by a White person ( woman ) in a vehicle with a gun who had no authority to do so, especially for a traffic violation that she wasn't a part of. The 911 operator told her not to chase after the guy but she continued to do so and then confronted the elder gentlemen which led to her pointing and firing a Springfield DX 9 millimeter handgun into his abdomen , killing him. This is the same story that happened to Ahmad Arbery ,also a Black man that was chased down by 3 White men (,the McMichaels) in a pickup with a shotgun while on foot and murdered for going inside an empty house under construction that didn't belong to them. They are serving life sentences without parole. People have a problem in GA when it comes to interfering in situations that are none of their business! 🤔
Let’s not forget all the other innocent black victims that died at the hands of savage white people and yet white people say blacks kills more whites like gtfo
Preach Baby Preach Amen🙏 Amen Let the Church say Amen Again You are💯💯 percent right I agree with you 💯 percent,,
Except that’s her defense - she said “ I was following him- not chasing him!”
I’d be real surprised if someone hire him again to be there defense attorney
I disagree with you. He did his very best as a defence lawyer but the case against Miss Payne was overwhelming.
It made me cringe it was so ineffective and void of the desirable outcome l.
@@blessinggoodthings3124 That's not what caused him to be so unprofessional! He didn't do the "very best he could", or we would have seen a respectful Defense Attorney arguing his case with facts and logic, not the faces of a second grader. Being a likable, respectful, professional is what jurors want to see. They have a lot more empathy for a defendant who's representation practices proper decorum in the court room. She entered the court in a losing situation, and this attorney put the nails in her coffin.
Might be a good defense attorney but not a good trial attorney. They are two different things entirely
@@MoonAndStarsTogether Honestly, I don't believe he fits the bill for either role. The defense attorney still needs to be able to connect with people (specifically his adversaries, so to speak), but he comes off more like a small lot car salesman w/o credibility. I think Hannah received the convictions she deserved, but she also had poor representation. She made some wickedly bad decisions and it's hard to imagine what she could have been thinking at the time. She had no where near the maturity level necessary to own a firearm.
Hannah Payne got life in prison. 30 years is a life term in Georga. Those who committed serious violent felonies on or after July 1, 2006, must serve 30 years before being eligible for parole. Life in prison is mandatory for murder in Georgia. She got 30 years plus 13 years. That is 43 years. She will be eligible for parole when she is 68 if she does the 30 + 8+ 5.
Ha! The defence lawyer criticises witnesses for not telling the same account as initially stated. BUT when his client gives a differing account to what SHE stated, they said , well it was over 4 years ago !!
Double standards, methinks!
She would have been better off confessing her to what she did. This long drawn out lie is a waste of tax payers dollars and an insult to the jurors intelligence!!
She believed she was in the right so she wanted a trial. She just didn't count on being found guilty.
But that’s the whole problem - she doesn’t think she is guilty - she believes what she did was right..,
They gave her a PLEA DEAL...SHE REFUSED IT!!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Exactly
So because he caused a crash that noone got hurt she terminated he had to die. Yes like the prosecutor said this Mans punishment for a misdemeanor was death, how unreal.
trying to argue she's not a murderer but a well intentioned girl who got "caught up" is unreal & incredibly insulting - so glad she was found guilty on *all* charges & hope she gets the book thrown at her for not just refusing to take responsibility but putting everyone through this ordeal for so long!
This was the worst defense attorney and strategy I ever seen, She should taken a plea deal.
This situation further affirms what we all know about trials like this - esp in backwards places. Historically, a defense like this for a person who likes like Hannah would have been more than enough to get an acquittal. They took it for granted and got their A$& handed to them in this particular case!😂
Have you ever seen the Joanna Madonna defense lawyer? I thought he was the state prosecutor. I could not believe some of the stuff that came out of his mouth. I dont have a law degree and I could have taken her case and got her manslaughter. He got her life without parole for killing her husband who was just a dirty old man who dragged her family down.
Her lawyer staged it as if she was in love with him, but had no choice but to defend herself after she borrowed a gun and a knife and left a messy murder scene. She basically told the cops things she should not have said.
No plea was offered.
The defense lawyer is full of 💩! He stated his client chased after the victim in order to get his license plate number. If that were the case then she had no reason to cut him off and get out of her car to approach him.
the absolute refusal to take *any* accountability, victim blaming, disrespecting witnesses & worst of all trying to frame the *aggressor* as the victim makes me hope she gets the book thrown at her!
even *if* she had "good intentions" & was not "chasing" him but "only following" him *all* of that went out the window when *she* not only held him hostage but brought a deadly weapon into the situation!
@@r_and_a Exactly! And another thing every one needs to remember is that she told the 911 operator “they always get away with things.”
It doesn’t matter that she appears to have a few black friends and a brown-skinned boyfriend. Had that been a little old white grandma driving away, she absolutely would not reacted this way. I keep saying it, her rage and actions were a product of her racial beliefs, not a product of the factual events or the desire to do right.
@@AMG-on-2nd 💯! her delusional belief she did nothing wrong, willingness put her victim's loved ones & witnesses through all this are all also products of her racial beliefs imo, certainly not the factual events or desire to do the right thing
video i saw of her at the crime scene, interrogation & much of the trial (admittedly not all) showed *zero* concern for *anyone* but herself! *especially* if she'd *actually* well meaning you'd expect her to be upset she took a life not just that she screwed up hers
@@r_and_a Right again! How can someone execute someone and feel no regret other than how much trouble they’re about to be in?! Just like the Ahmad Aubrey murder, where those guys really didn’t care that they ended someone’s life. All they cared about was getting out of trouble.
@@AMG-on-2nd do think ahmad's case was worse as they seemed to actually get a "thrill" chasing him down whereas i think she was motivated more by racial indignation & felt entitled but not actual enjoyment
he is not explaining or convincing the jury that she is innocent. he seems to running through the facts again. isn't his job during closing arguments to present the evidence that she is innocent, no wonder the jury came back so quickly
Unfortunately that’s what most defense lawyers are doing lately smh. Easy money 😢
Is SuperGuilty an option?
Lmaooooo
She’s a Karen with a gun
This lawyer just said a whole lot about nothing 🙄
She killed a man. Guilty.
What the hell is he talking about....🤔🤦🏿♀️
Looks like Mama Payne (I’m guessing) and family needs a lesson in courtroom decorum as well as her attorney. Twirling her hair conspicuously in the front row and making facing while someone is discussing a MURDER is not a good look, no matter which side you are on.
Her lawyer had a few shots before coming to court 🤦♀️
After the prosecution closing argument, it's game, set and match!!
She handled with surgical precision while the defense showed himself to be an incompetent clown! I wonder what law school he went to. That school must be so proud of their ‘good ole boy’!😂😂😂
SHE NAILED IT THAT SHYT!!!!
So disgusting that he said no good deed goes unpunished.
Absolutely disgusting
He is just mumbling thru this…what is he even talking about…. Just up there wasting everyone’s time
I'm positive the jury has tuned him out.
She’s been eating real good since she was first arrested
Yeah she isn’t looking good at all
I noticed that! it looks like shes found comfort in food
Lol
I think her attorney did the best he could with what he had. Seriously he had a mountain to climb. I believe he knew what the outcome would be.
Her Attorney knew she was going to be found guilty but he had to put on a show anyway! 😭
and Hannah did the best with what sense she had that day...May we ask God to give us all a heart of Love
@@erikj2738, yah little sense!
I think your lemonade was spiked
He was there simply for the GIG. Regardless of the outcome he still got paid 😂
This guy *LOVES* to hear himself talk.
Why is she at that man window???????????!!!!
These conditions that are NOT ONLY applies to the killers/murderers of both Travis (36) & Gregory McMichael (66), William Bryan (52) who had committed both Felon & Malice Murders of Ahmaud Arbery (25) by also these very same conditions should also apply to Hannah Payne as well too which is,
Hannah Payne (25) during & also after her prison/jail sentence is simply (NOT) Allowed to make any money for her actions as such as, Book Deals, Movie Deals, Social Media Deals, & or anything along the lines in any way, shape or form of making money of her experience, of her conviction & her trial at all and should any money should been made to going to a Fund for the Kenneth Herring's family and having this condition being imposed before & given in the nature of her case just to seek to make sure based on her actions have found to be guilty of murder that she (DON'T) Reap some sort of benefit profit of her actions via as such renumeration unto from anyone in form of Book Deals, Movie Deals, Consulting Fees, & Telling her story to someone for exchange of money at all of course.
First of all, I almost forgot what the hell this MF was talking about
This cigarette, smoking, scotch, or bourbon drinking, Pretender, not a defense attorney, but a pretender, really lost his clients case, his expressions, they were unnecessary, and he looked very gimmicky, plus it was obvious that he was trying to twist, witness statements, etc. This girl was wrong, plain and simple. She should have minded her own business, he should’ve tried to make her look a little softer, but he couldn’t because her 911 spoke volumes
She was going to be convicted regardless.
The defense attorney and her fail to realize that accident was none of her business. i’m sure the semi truck had insurance She should’ve went home?
Absolutely, all of this was preventable… even if the juror’s wanted to show her some leniency the mere fact she showed no remorse at any point would’ve concluded my judgment.
This lawyer told me nothing.
To the Herring family. I am watching the trial from Ontario Canada. I was very touched by your brother. He did not die in vain. If he hadn't died, I would not have known what a great man he really was while he existed on earth. Ken's life on earth has touched many people.
Even in the worse case where the man purposely drove off after an accident, there is still no reason why his punishment is death.
I mean this is exactly what it all
boils down to. He could have been drunk out of his mind and still she’d be in the wrong.
This lawyer was so petty that he sounded clownish.
The next time a high school graduate gets to carry a gun to protect herself and her money till, their employers should make sure these very young adults, raised on TV and movies knows the law and rules about carrying weapons.
He sounds drunk.
I do think his speech could be a residual effect from the stroke he recently had. Having said that, there is still no excuse for the way he carried himself in the court room regarding his over the top expressions. The family doesn't have the intelligence to realize how much his behavior reflected on the defendant. If the family felt she was in the right, they have no intelligence whatsoever!
I was thinking the same thing
His drunk azz never had a stroke. The judge called the hospital personally because she's had issues with him before. He was in the hospital, but he did not have a damn stroke. He took a couple of shots every day of the trial. Lmao
Isn't it super dangerous to run to a vehicle that's leaking......especially with a gun that you may be prepared to use?
leaking coolant and oil not gas.
@@rickjames5998she's not a mechanic, or law enforcement, or medical professional - so doubt she had any way of knowing what the was or wasn't leaking, obviously didn't know the law & certainly didn't seem to care about the *actual* victim's well being or anyone else's imo
@@rickjames5998 oil is flammable though.
@@r_and_a She did say that the vehicle was leaking from the radiator, but I agree that she showed no concern for him. I'm not a mechanic either, but I might be concerned that if he's damaged the vehicle, it might be dangerous to shoot.
@@teveson8256it's *always* dangerous to shoot, even on a range, hence one of the charges she was convicted of just involved the gun itself.
my point was there's no reason to believe hannah knew if it was leaking "coolant & oil, not gas" as the person i replied to declared & it'd change nothing anyways
I have watched his trial and it’s so sad for the victims family and the defendant and what I can see here. The defendant seems to feel she’s in the right and many people categorize other people in certain way like Karen’s. There’s some truth to this, and somehow she felt empowered to do what she did, and it’s sad because her life is ruined now because she had a gun and felt she had the power and she ruined peoples lives and her self and what really did her in was no remorse or realizing she had no authority to do what she did and this is what people call Karen
He is not a good Attorney. He made himself look bad. He confused himself trying to confuse and discredit the witnesses. If I was his client, I would ask for half or all my money back. And all those who live in the town this attorney lives in, should not hire him.
This lawyer can tell a story but that's what it is fiction
Hannah has to know that she is French fried 😂😂.
Her lawyer is pissing all over the floor 🤷🏾♂️
this defence lawyer is a disaster!!!
What a BS argument.
1) He never explained why she cut him off preventing him from driving forward when she was supposed to only follow him.
2) He never explained why she decided to exit her vehicle.
3) He never explained how she got close enough to get into a physical altercation with someone that never exited their vehicle.
She is toast, she is packing heat and maybe she wanted to be Dirty Harry.
20:54 he is literally just rambling and babbling now and saying absolutely nothing -
5:05 - Radiation Fluids leaking out of it? What the F is this guy talking about? This is why you shouldn't hire someone who looks like a character out of the Sopranos as your defense lawyer.
Was something extra in his water bottle??
LOL!!!!!
She's 21 yo and doesn't see the bad sides... yet she carries a gun....make it make sense!
Is he drunk? In the movie version Nick Nolte should play him
This attorney is garbage he cannot have been paid for he must have been given to her by the state.
I can't even watch him. He is making it up as he goes as he knows the Prosecutions argument is watertight
Man this fool should open a practice with Amber Heards lawyer. They could be the worst legal minds in one quick stop😂
He put me to sleep! Wtf was he even talking about smh.
A 9 years old child is more intelligent enough and fit for the job than this defense lawyer. What a horrific Lawyer., I'm sure he drink one or two glasses of Gin N juice before court, cant you tell?
Ngl I had a hard time believing her lawyer wasn't trying to get her convicted
This bloke sounds sloshed. Let's hope he's not driving home. The same goes for his client.
What she did was wrong and ugly and she will be punished. But good god. That attorney. Is he drinking? Best her family could afford , I suppose.
He was an appointed public defender. Free
@@ms.lethal614he’s not a public defender. They paid for him.
@@ms.lethal614fyi. This is the same lawyer Clayton County Sheriff Victor Hill hired when he was on trial. Victor Hill is in prison now. 😂😂😂
His slurring might be due to a recent stroke.... Or not.
This guy has won a tremendous amount of trials over the years, in this area. And has made a ton of money
Man stop it she know she was wrong stop it dude 😮
Where is the state closing argument?
they waived first closing only did rebuttle/ already diliberating
@@8Platinum8
Hi thank you - I saw it last night. Definitely appreciated her brevity after this.
😊
Right now as we speak she's being traded for a pack of cigs by Rough Rita to Big Bertha 😂😂😂 merry Christmas
Lol I can see Hanna being a stud in jail lol
Bottom line she is not" the law" she should've mind her own damn business.
Her attorney was up against a losing battle but it didn't help that he tried to change the facts IE she didn't calmly call 911, she was very excited.
she inroduced a gun, it's all her fault
Right
omg this lawyer put's me to sleep! zzzzzzz
This is the 3rd time that I've scrolled back to rewatch/listen to him haha Usually I can leave these trials playing in the background but I think his accent makes it a little difficult to stay focused haha
@@m1ssjuju LOL i AM THE SAME BUT HE WAS JUST SO BORINGGGG!
@jocelynastheart2732 Yep! I couldn't do it a 4th time! I was close to the half way mark too! But I honestly didn't hear much of what he was saying and rly cbf attempting again, so I gave up! Lol
she had almost 5 yrs to get herself together & could have changed her fate, somewhat by being a human being 🤨 but instead, KARMA spoke for her... 🤦♀️
lawyers will say anything for a dollar.
Why did her attorney not subpoena the truck driver Kimble 🤔 because it would further prove how out of control she was?
When you guilty this not the defense attorney to hire. Hannah didn’t have a chance with him. Guilty of all charges 😢
She should of got the best in Georgia paid the big money
@@sandrabreedlove3661even if she had the best attorney in the world she would’ve still been found guilty all charges u sound dumb asf
I hope to the high heavens that her family didn’t pay him. I’m hoping he owed them a favor & took the case. But if that is it, he still owes them a favor because this is a horrible defense!!!
Perry Mason he’s not
to be fair, perry mason didn't represent actual killers like this one's client
She was just trying to help.
I don't think I've laughed so hard reading through these comments about this man's closing lol. Somebody said "He made it worse for Hannah by opening his mouth" LOL naw but fr wtf is he even talking about in his closing? LOL
Guilty!
this dude is babbling… she bout to get life for that defense closing
I know you heard evidence about this. I know you heard evidence about that. But have you considered the Easter Bunny? If you haven’t, why not?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This is thee WORST closing argument I’ve ever heard!!!
😂 omg too funny. But at least he tried knowing he couldn't win.
Its a no win situation to blame the deceased victim on what your client did.
She pursued and trapped a man, everything that happened as a consequence of HER actions alone. She is a loose cannon literally with zero judgment. She shot and killed a man, if she didn't pull her weapon, Mr. Herring would be alive today. A man lost his life because of Payne and should suffer consequences because she should have known better but defied officials telling her to return to the scene because she was nothing more than a witness and witness don't chase down a fender bender and kill him. Geeze, she should have pleaded out.
How is everyone evolved in this case wrong accept your client Sir! Everyone testified against your client and there perception of the events are the same!
GUILTY AS CHARGED! Oh we also know why you were pretending to fall asleep! Mistrial! 🤔
This attorney just embarrassing himself at this point.
Guilty 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
It would of been a better argument if he and her blamed Casper the ghost lol
The defense attorney looks and sounds like a drunk.
The entire fact remains that the accident was none of her concern, she should have kept on moving like everyone else. She change the whole scenario. Her lawyer was useless, he tried to turn the victim into the bad guy, she went after Mr. Herring like she was the police, even after being told not to. She sitting they looking stupid because she knows she intentionally killed a man.
He not making no darn Since
Defence Lawyer ??? 😂😂😂 what a complete load of utter nonsense bullshit defence crap came outa his mouth - they had NO DEFENCE for what she did.
Where's Vinnie and Lisa when we need them? 😅
Even if everything he said is true, getting yourself into a situation where the other person could pull the trigger already seems overboard, especially when you consider the authorities typically dont want the public that involved. I like that people in the public try to help officers, but i dont like untrained undividuals pulling guns in situations that dont need em.
This is painful to watch. He’s just rambling!! She would’ve done better with a court appointed lawyer.
he reminds me of a slimy car salesman
put her attorney in prison with her
The mom is back there thinking, “We’re screwed.”
The lead attorney is a poor excuse for a lawyer. he did an extremely poor job of representing the guilty. Where in the hell did he get his law degree , Mexico?
The defendant is toast.
Wow, she sure turned into a big heffer since she was arrested.
The defense attorney really did the best he could. This case was not defendable she should have plead guilty or something for lesser time