Is My Spode China English or Not? The Fine China Man
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Here are some tips for identifying modern made in England Spode pieces.
NOTE: Some Spode is being made in England again. Portmeirion acquired many Spode patterns and have brought much of the production back to England!
Just starting collecting Spode, starting with Woodland, which is addicting. I am glad I ran across this!
Woodland is a nice pattern too!
I have 2 bread and butter plates in blue, that I bought at Marshall's a few years ago for something like $2 each, and have been on the lookout for more. These are stamped "Made in England", and I am happy about that. I wish more pieces were available.
That is great, you can find some really good deals on Spode from time to time at Marshall's or T.J. Max. I got most of my Winters Eve set from them. If the ones you got are the Winter's Eve pattern you could sell them for at least $20 a piece now. The dinner plates sell for $100 or more each now! Back then I went to several different locations of these stores to get the dinner service. However, I could only find 7 salad plates and that is why I bought the one online that is in this video. At some point I will replace it with another one from England. Thanks for the comment!
Very useful. Please post more.
Very precise information and answered my question perfectly. Thank you!
Thank you!
Hello
Thanks for the video
I have recently been given a spode tea for one set made in China
Is this worth the same as one made in England?
Its beautiful, but I don't know much about Spode..I have been told it's not the real thing!
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Will you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE answer a more specific question for me? 🙏🏻 Spode’s Christmas Tree pattern - there are backplates that clearly say “Made in England.” But there are other backplates that just say “England” under the word Spode. Were those *not* made in England and use of the word England in that case only refers to Spode being an English company? Or were those also made in England, even though they don’t say “Made in?” Tricky business! I’m trying to quickly make a purchase decision and can’t find the answer anywhere! I hope you can read this and respond speedily. Thank you!
The ones that say England are older made in England Pieces and the ones that say Made in England are newer English pieces. The ones that don't say England at all are the ones made in other countries like China.
Wow! There are so many people out there saying that if it doesn’t say “Made in” England, it wasn’t. I’m so grateful to have found your channel. Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge and your speedy response. 🙏🏻
Thank you for explaining such fine differences between English and Chinese pottery. I am very interested to learn about the perforated meat drainer plates from Spode and Stafforshire and was hoping you could do a video on it or just explain here itself. I understand that the juices were collected in another plate below the perforated plate. Why have these drainers been discontinued and what is their modern equivalent ? Does anyone still make these strainers ? how were so many holes made ? was it made one by one manually or some block punching was used ? Do you know any video link that shows the making of these plates, specially the holes. Were these drainers made only in England or in China too ? Did the Chinese also use such drainers ? I appreciate anything you can tell me on this. Thanks :-)
Here is a link to a Spode drainer - www.rubylane.com/item/980936-J-34/Large-Spode-Transfer-Printed-Meat-Drainer
They are very interesting pieces indeed. They actually are supposed to go inside of another regular platter or bowl. From my research I have found that, unlike today, animals were not bred to be lean but to have fat. This means that the meat would have been much more juicy in the 1800s. These pairs made it so a roast or other meet could be brought to the table and served without an abundance of juice showing. I would make sense with the change of animal breeding that Spode and others would cease making these pieces. Sopde can't afford to make pieces they cannot sell a lot of in this day and age. It really is too bad that we are loosing so much history in our fine dinnerware and flatware. I don't know if these were popular in China but I did find a link for you that has several examples where both pieces still exist (scroll down the page to see the best examples). On this page it also shows a similar two piece set except it is in the form of a bowl and plate and was for strawberries! I would love to make a video on this but I don't have an example that I can use as a visual right now. I will keep my eyes open for a set and try to do one in the future.
nancysdailydish.blogspot.com/2012/04/staffordshire-mezzanine-aka-meat.html
+Fine ChinaMan Thanks for the link and your reply :-) Yes, i am familiar with that page and have a big collection of such plates on my pintrest board too. I look forward to a video from you sometime in the future on this topic.
I have to agree with you. . . when it comes to comparing porcelain being made in England and then being manufactured in China, there is a noticeable difference. If there wasn't, why do the potters pretend it's still English by attaching "England" to the back of the plate and not adding "Made in China".
That in itself speaks volumes. While in various china shops I have run across the odd sticker on the back of some pieces indicating "Made in China" however, we all know a sticker is meant to be removed. I am very loyal to English porcelain and have sets made by Royal Doulton, Aynsley, Minton and Wedgwood--all made in England, I might add. I also have a wonderful set of Palatial Platinum by Mikasa that was made in Thailand. It's a nice quality set and I like the shape of the pieces. Sometimes that can be a turn-off even when you like the pattern. If anyone happens to have that set (either in silver or gold), google images for the torch on the Statue of Liberty. The cresting around the torch is the same as the band around the plate. I accidently
stumbled upon that years after having the set and it validated my attachment as to why I was drawn to the pattern. Thanks again for a great video.
Darryl
Thank you for your comment!
I appreciate your effort to try to shed light on the issue of where dinnerware is actually produced, however the issue is much more complex than you propose in your video. There are many different versions of back stamps from Spode, depending on both where it was made and what material was used for the body. Many versions are either definitively English or definitively off shore production, but some are very ambiguous. Your assertion that the Chinese piece in your video is of lesser quality is simply not true. Yes, it is different from the old English production, but it is opinion, not fact, that the quality is less. The reason for the difference in the shade of white is lead in the glaze. English production still used lead based glazes that would not pass current USA import requirements. Chinese production eliminated all lead from the glazes. Does lead make for a higher quality piece?
Hi,
I have made a video response to the points you bring up in your comment.
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I have learned a lot about Copeland Spode while on my search for information on my tower pattern turkey platter. But I have found nothing on my platter. It is very large Copeland Spode Tower Pink/Red. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I just bought a Spode Jewel Copeland Heath and Rose cake plate. I can't seem to find another one online. suggestions?
I would appreciate any info you have on RCD Old Imari. I have been buying pieces from ebay for about 2 years... All the pieces I have are from 1960-1992 or so. I was at an antique show and overheard someone say that Old Imari is no longer ALL hand painted? I am correct that Old Imari us handpainted.. not transfer ware. Is there a "cut off date" for good/better/best RCD Old Imari? Any info would be much appreciated.
Hi, that is a wonderful pattern. I will need to do some research on that. I'll either reply again to you or make a video on it when I am satisfied with my findings.
Hello, I was told by a sales rep at William Ashley China (Toronto, Canada) that all gilding is done by hand. The RCD Imari patterns are very complex, and I can't imagine that those are done by transfers. Also, the same people at Ashley's told me that red and cobalt blue tend to bleed, so extra care is needed when doing the enamelling (especially if intricate gilding is to be done.)
I just want English!
I hope you can help me with identifying my pieces. I have some cups and saucers with green writing on the bottom Spode Copelands China England the number 12 and then ys8688 on the bottom of each piece. The artwork consist of green vines and red berries along the inner rim of the cup and saucer with gold trim along the top and bottom edges. I am trying to get a handle on the age and value of these pieces. Thanks
I think you may have gotten the number wrong. I think I know which pattern you are talking about. Here it is on Replacements www.replacements.com/webquote/sp_y5868.htm
Is that correct? Here is an ebay auction for some. www.ebay.com/itm/SPODE-Y5868-Dinner-Bread-Plates-13-in-Total-/141277611969?hash=item20e4cd47c1:g:ub8AAOxy9X5TZp0T
Since no cups and saucers are being sold or have been I would just guess $20 per set. That is what I would list them at. Hope this helps!
Thank you so much. This is the set and is exactly what I needed to know.Thanks for the quick reply.
I have one given to me from 1994. Serial # 333723 says Copeland Spode’s Italian England.
Do you know how much it is worth? It has gold trim.
I have seen a few with the gold trim online but not in person. If it is what I think it is then it is worth a lot. I can't remember what the last one I saw sold for. I want to say it may have been over $300. I think the key is the condition. If it has no chips or cracks that is really good. If it doesn't have crazing it is even better.
I am re-reading what you wrote. Was it new in 1994 or antique in 1994? I was thinking antique.
@@finechinaman3448 I am not sure. It was a gift. Can you tell by the serial number?
Hi thank you for your helpful video. I recently acquired Copeland Spode Luneville plates made in England. Can you offer any information on this style or direct me in that regard?
I like to start at Replacements. They have a bunch of pictures of different pieces that are the less common pacesetting pieces. They also have some dates for you of production:
www.replacements.com/webquote/sp_lun.htm?rplSrc=KX&rplSubEvent=7660874&dvc=c&gclid=CjwKCAiA8rnfBRB3EiwAhrhBGtPRDgMZ_Qk80jYVwWkummL6iXWS_Z0RrLPq2J-FbvvjyEEoFmfZHhoCzakQAvD_BwE
how many plates can be safely stacked to avoid cracking?
Great Question! I will post a video on it within the next couple of days. There are some very good ways to avoid damage
Just posted a video answering your question on my channel.
I have a plate that says "Spode's Camilla Copeland England with an imprint of Copeland underneath. Do you know if this was Made in England and what it's date is?
Sorry for the delay in response. Is the backstamp printed in blue? If so, I think I found the backstamp online and it appears to be an older and I am very confident that it is made in England. Spode is pretty good about not putting England on the back of pieces not made in England. Other companies like Johnson Brothers are not so good and are harder to tell. I do not know the date. If it is the blue one that I saw I would be surprised if it was less than 15 years old and is probably much older. If you want to email me a picture of it I can do a little more research. TheFineChinaMan@gmail.com
I need to find information on a piece of grimwade that I have no idea about
Try Replacements.com. Although they are there to sell you stuff you can get an idea of value and sometimes they have info on dates produced.
Just tell them "Not as advertised" and you can return it.
What pattern is the china behind you ?
Lady Carlyle by Royal Albert. I have several videos featuring that pattern if you would like to see it up close.
Dear fine ChinaMan, I just received some Spode Christmass Tress Mugs. They are made in China and they are very different from the English ones. They look very cheap, the picture is dark and looks very different in color and shape. Is it possible that Spode produces the mugs in china in such an unperfected way? or might it be a plagiat? Thank you Julia
It is possible either way. If they say Spode on the bottom or the box says Spode then I would just assume they are inferior Made in China pieces. From what I have seen Spode does tend to still make most of their mugs in China. Several have disagree with me but I find that a lot of pieces from China are just not up to good English china standards. The good news is that there is a lot of Spode being made in England again. I just checked Spode's website and I could not find any Christmas Tree that is Made in England. If you switch to the Blue Italian pattern you will see much of it is Made in England. I think they just have pretty limited resources in England these days.
I just purchased some Spode Christmas salad plates as well. One plate says Spode Made In England, the others just say Spode England. Does that mean they are not made in England? They say nothing about China.
@@lindseymatheny3691 They never will say anything about china except on the original sticker tag. However, I believe yours were all made in England. For Spode if it says Spode England that is enough to say it was made in England. This is not true of other companies such as Johnson Brothers. I hope this helps
SPODE!!!!
If it's made in China it will not be anywhere near the quality of UK made.
Worthless rubbish.
I have a deep knowledge of ceramics, lived in Stoke on Trent for 55years
Agreed! That must have been wonderful to witness the creation of fine china first hand!
That’s is means spode from china?
Sounds like a bait and switch. He should return it for a refund.
That means spode from China it's fake?
I would not say it is fake, just different. In most cases not as valuable.
Never believe what a dealer tells you. Shows you and English piece then switches it for a Chinese piece. You were conned, scammed, robbed.
I wouldn't go that far. If you are buying online you have no choice but to take someone at their word. It is the price you have to pay to get unique items that are not available in your geographic area. Ebay (which is where this item was from) guarantees their auctions. If you feel you were cheated and the seller won't make it right it just takes a simple call to ebay (I have done it before). In all my experiences I can think of I have ended up being treated fairly when something bad has happened. Enjoy finding the rare pieces. Thanks for the comment!