@@easydubs420 yeah I remember that Micah: Why don't you fuck off back to Mexico huh? Javier: *punches micah in his stupid face* Why don't you fuck off back to hell?!
@@suvvushi idk sometimes id be on my way somewhere. Just talking as i walked by and people would say i was following them lol. Like nah you're just in my way.
@@suvvushi I was greeting everyone at the party after we rescued Sean, and I greeted Lenny and Hosea, as both were trying to sleep and they were like "dude, get out of here, lemme sleep, you're annoying af"
Dutch was really unstable at the time so it was easy for micah to step into his head and make him paranoid of his closest gang members stabbing him in the back.
Well it's because Arthur was "doubting" all his bad decisions while Micah was encouraging him. Everytime Arthur tried to make Dutch see reason, Micah would step in.
You can't help but to admire John's Character. Despite being an outlaw, he show that he does care and that he's a stand up dude, especially during that time and emotional environment.
@kshamwhizzle Arthur took no sh*t from anyone and had some great sarcasm. John just agrees with everyone on every remark about him: If Abigail says he's a useless fool, he agrees with it; If Uncle calls him a miserable sack of sh*t, he agrees with him. John is no fun man at all, rather he surrounds himself with people who make fun of him (Uncle, Arthur, etc.). I can't even recall any joke or witty response of his. He just acts like dumb but serious cowboy. Whereas Arthur was intelligent enough to keep a journal and see the gangs' demise when John couldn't.
@@lilwindex2320 Did you watch the next scene where John plays with Jack? It's part of Johns character development, he was very ungrateful at the beginning, but grew into a loving father
Me too. I didn't care much for Abigail towards the end tho. John tried so hard and all he did was get nagged at. He got nagged at all through the main game but he deserved most of it. Epilogue he was actually trying
Jack: "have you ever had spaghetti?" John: "what's that?" Jack: "it's food! It looks like worms but it's..." Arthur: *crashes his horse into a bridge* Dutch: "WHY IS IT ALWAYS YOU?!"
Itchyscrotum _testicles Just look at Jack as an adult in the first RDR. He looks like a combination of Dutch, Javier, and John. Abigail slept with a lot of the gang members.
Now the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon. When you comin home son? I don't know when, but we're gonna have a good time then, dad. We're gonna have a good time then.
It truly takes a weak, miserable, pathetic person to pick on a child. I really respect what John says afterwards “leave my son the hell alone, you’ve got something to say, say it to me you son of a bitch”
Dutch shoved her away. Of course it went to crap. Where else would it go? You could say John did the same to Jack, but he pulls Jack back to him, and works to undo any damage done. There's a major difference in effort between these two scenarios.
Exemplar Gaming Jack didn’t really have much time under the spotlight, so that’s not very fair. The one thing we saw him do was avenge his father, and his future is left ambiguous.
TheTotalmuffin I mean to be fair he also called my beautiful horse a “damn nag” so no I was not particularly fond of Adult Jack with his wispy creepy mustache and surly manners.
The camp system is really revolutionary in this game. Remember the days where NPC’s would just idly stand or walk around and only interact with dialogue when you talked to them? They really were able to make the camp feel lively in a way few of any other video games have
I legitimately don’t understand how nobody just shot Micah when nobody else was looking. Arthur easily could’ve killed him right after the Strawberry massacre and told Dutch he got hit in the shootout.
At that point in the game, Micah doesn’t seem to have done *too* much. Arthur definitely doesn’t trust him, and only breaks him out of jail on Dutch’s behalf, but at this point Micah hasn’t started manipulating Dutch or anything else. It’s not until Chapter 6 where I think Micah really started to play his hand, and if that mission happened then, Arthur probably would’ve done that, yeah
I've been playing this game for the 1st time w/ my roommate (who's played it before) & Ever since we started Chapter 6, I've just constantly be asking her, "Can we shoot Micah? Is that an option?" I've also asked if we can shoot Dutch, lol
Micah is a Character that can only exist in a heavily scripted Video Game such as Red Dead Redemption 2. Realistically speaking, Arthur and John already suspect him of being a rat, if not just a corrosive entity inside the Gang itself. Given the amount of turmoil that follows Micah wherever he goes, anybody with deductive reasoning can identify him as the problem, and the problem with this Story? John and Arthur both do exactly that. Yet, they do nothing, because Rockstar doesn't let them. Were we discussing Human Beings interacting, rather than Video Game Characters, I do not see Micah surviving after Chapter 4, at the latest. He'd either be exiled at best (for his sake), or shot in cold blood at worst.
I mean, it's because nobody really knew anything yet. However, if I was Arthur, when fighting Micah on that cliff, I would've spit on him. Pulled a Downes on that man
@@Broken_Savior if arthur had any sense, he'd have put two in his back in strawberry while he was getting his guns back. "dutch told me to come get you" "aight cool lemme just kill an entire town first, brb" "uh, no?" sorry dutch, crazy fool went and got hisself shot, weren't nothing i could do
If you consider Micah's upbringing, it'll be no wonder he became the kind of person he was.. I mean, his father literally taught him, "Sympathy is for the weak"
John was such a deadbeat in the first few chapters. His character development between the final chapters and Red Dead 1 is incredible. He turned into a completely different person.
John was literally up to nothing in the first few chapters. It's actually amazing how he went from an actual idiot to one of the baddest Rockstar protagonists to date.
@@ericbaldemor8307 John was never an actual idiot, he's always been quite intelligent and among the smartest in the gang along with Arthur, Hosea and Dutch. He only acted dumb because he was young and wanted to avoid responsibility. Hosea points this out in a camp conversation.
For Dutch, it was all about self, mainly himself. As long as he had money, everyone else was expendable. Within a little while, Dutch became an O'Driscoll
Almost losing him made him realise how precious he was to him. And he was pissed with himself that he was in denial just because he was scared of being a father.
Jack: "It's food, it looks like worms...." *Arthur flies off his horse and breaks his back* Jack and John continue their conversation like nothing happened Dutch from the distance: "Why is it always you?"
@@louisrage2ndchannel126 RDR 3 will probably be a prequel to RDR 2. If it follows Jack it'll be well into WW1 timeline and I don't think they'll go there.
John in chapter one to three is a terrible father to Jack, a even worse husband, and above all else is an idiot, but after Jack gets kidnapped he learns of all the mistakes he made and tries his best to become better then he was before, sometimes it worked and sometimes it failed, but at least he's trying.
... because everyone knows Arthur is the better man, and they hold him to that standard. Micah is just a rat, and I don't think a lot of the members see that much good in him.
@@krypticunlimited6925if Charles wasn't held back or didn't restrain himself he legit would have killed Micah and Micah wouldn't have done shit to stop him Micah is a pretty decent shooter, not quite on par with prime Arthur but still good enough to be considered skilled however as far as physical prowess goes he couldn't even overpower a near dying Arthur
@@_Atreides_ Arthur is much stronger than John buddy. John is a great shot but it doesn't mean that he is as good a bare knuckle fighter as a shooter. Micah is heavier and a mean bastard with no principles, I think he's capable of ripping almost anybody's head clean off if he has enough reasons for that. And the fact that he struggled against Arthur doesn't mean he couldn't have won the fight in case Arthur was healthy
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey john and Arthur were the toughest out of the whole gang. John had no problem punching Arthur in camp all the time. And at the end he took at micahs gang and the rest of his old gang.
I think it was more that he was caught off guard and Jack calling him “Pa” kind of made him do a mental double take. He wasn’t expecting it, but I don’t think he was mad that Jack referred to John as his father. If anything I’m sure that, if this was applied in a real life scenario, it would have left John smiling afterwards.
@@Emilystarks No, he didn't believe Jack was his son because Abigail was a prostitute and slept with a lot of gang members, the only ones that were actually said were Bill, Javier and Dutch, but there's a lot of evidence pointing toward Uncle and Arthur being with her too. That's why at the beginning of RDR2 Arthur was always angry at John for ditching the gang for a year, he left because he was afraid of being a father and he didn't think he was.
There is an interaction between Arthur and Mary-Beth where he tells her the truth about his condition and how his sickness helped him see the world from a different perspective, that he sees it better. There's another one where Abigal tells Arthur she's very grateful to have him as a friend and that she feels safe with him after rescuing John with Sadie.
"I`ll be Achille, and you`ll be Hector!" Jack always was a smart kiddo. It is incredible that he had read the Iliad at that age. I wonder how he came out like this in that kind of environment.
I loved how Micah starts raising his hands up when confronted showcasing how pathetic he is without a gun or against someone who is capable of defending ones self
*0:57** Seeing John defending his son is so good. He hadn't considered Jack his son before, but he definitely was. The evolution of both characters is fantastic.*
It’s because Jack technically is not his biological son since Abigail was “getting around”but I’m glad John realized Jack is all he’s got for a father figure
So sweet! I love how John starts out refusing to have anything to do with Jack, then starts playing with him and defending him from Micah. I think when Jack was kidnapped by the Braithwaites and Angelo Bronte he finally realized that he not only had to but wanted to be there for Jack.
Haha. Did yall go into the room up stairs when all the bar patrons looked like lenny? You open the door and see a naked lenny with boobs riding another lenny. Arthur's reaction is priceless!
@Layne G Given the context of RDR2, it's more impactful. John is already a loving and devoted father in RDR1 but we see him change from a guy who doesn't want responsibility for his child and barely interacts with him to someone who cares so much for Jack and wants to do so much for him towards the end of RDR2. So it is heart-warming and heart-breaking.
It really is. It gives him a complete arc, not only for him, but for Dutch, and the whole gang in general. John has really evolved, and it completed his story, and complicated father-son relationship with Jack. But I loved how it fleshed John out even more, and balanced it with so many other characters at the same time.
When I saw John playing with Jack it really warmed my heart honestly. I'm glad there's a clip of this now cuz I really enjoyed that moment with them, it's really wholesome ^u^ -Also Micah does need to go to hell-
“Come on play, pa!” “What did you call me?” :( 0:05 The reason i think John questioned Jack was because i don’t think John thought Jack was really his son because Abigail had romances with most of the gang before she got with John or Jack never called him it... :(
One criticism I have of the game is making Micah so detestable yet making it impossible to do anything about it. I'm not expecting to be able to gun him down in camp cos it would ruin the plot but the reality is that on several occasions Micah implies or openly suggests that the gang should cut loose people like Pearson, Grimshaw, Mary-Beth etc. Everything he says is in contradiction to the Robin Hood family of outlaws vibe that is supposed to be so important to the gang and yet he is able with seemingly zero resistance to create a civil war. I thought it was just a little unrealistic that people like Arthur and Hosea and John just allow this all to happen. The guy constantly makes racist remarks to Lenny and Charles as well and people just accept him as part of the group. Personally I think it's a miracle that Charles didn't pull his spine out of his arsehole sometime in the first 2 chapters.
Frank Bear you're coming at it hot. The reason it's brought up as a critique is that Dutch's gang is multi-cultural compared to the time it lived in and Micah being openly sexist and racist amongst the gang made the commenter feel a bit of dissonance, that although you or I might not feel is a big deal is an understandable criticism.
I think it was the fact that he nearly lost his son because of what that Braithwaite bitch did that finally caused John Marston to really grow to love his little boy.
You know, when you think about it, Bronte actually could've been a very good adoptive father to Jack in a supportive way. Think of it like if it were an alternate timeline where he was never rescued, and the whole gang (women included) met their end much sooner in the series (presumably somewhere after Milton and Ross walked into their camp in Lemoyne and after the Braithwaites stole Jack, where they could've been assualted by a whole army of lawmen and Pinkerton agents). From what Jack had spoke about Bronte, Bronte was keeping him well fed and clothed, probably gave him a warm bed under a solid roof, and even went out of his way to teach him some Italian. If that's not clear evidence that Bronte was more than willing to care for Jack like his own son, then I must be mentally impaired. I could even imagine a game set where that type of scenario occurred. A young Jack, in his early twenties, must hunt down and kill the agents responsible for the death of his parents, all the while dealing with trouble within the Bronte crime syndicate as unknown forces strive against him.
It does until you wonder why the braithwaites would sell a young boy like jack to bronte in the first place (a guy who up until this point has had no interaction with the van der linde gang and no knowledge of who they are). Then it starts to sink in that he was probably "grooming" jack.
James McMann but Catherine mentioned that he would be sent to Italy. So my assumption is bronte had a connection that would pay for slaves and he was going to give the braithwaites a cut of the pay
The AI controling Micah was programmed to walk around all day spamming the antagonize button.
lol
@Kenneth Theo Javier does after he makes a racist comment if I remember
@@easydubs420 yeah I remember that
Micah: Why don't you fuck off back to Mexico huh?
Javier: *punches micah in his stupid face* Why don't you fuck off back to hell?!
@Kenneth Theo well if you played the original rdr then you know he turned yellow
Charles also (literally) tosses him across the ground once he insults his race.
Imagine trying to have a conversation in the camp and Arthur is just constantly breathing down the back of your neck everywhere you go
Some gang members have even pointed it out lmfao, saying how creepy Arthur was always listening in
@The Flying Dutchman Lmao, that was great.
@@suvvushi idk sometimes id be on my way somewhere. Just talking as i walked by and people would say i was following them lol. Like nah you're just in my way.
ladenswallow09 Imagine autistic Arthur just coughing all over camp while listening in on private conversations
@@suvvushi
I was greeting everyone at the party after we rescued Sean, and I greeted Lenny and Hosea, as both were trying to sleep and they were like "dude, get out of here, lemme sleep, you're annoying af"
Jack: why is he being mean? :(
Me: *loads double action revolver*
Double action revolver sucks
@@thanosdick6161 it's what micah uses so I'm killing him with it
@@thanosdick6161 the semi auto pistol is the fastest pistol of all
@@rangershot I know I prefer to use revolvers though
Me:loads golden double action revolver
Jack: "It looks like worms!"
John: "You mean like the ones Arthur's eating after that fall?"
XD I REALLY WISH THAT WAS DIALOGUE
😂
Your comment deserves more likes. 😂
This is canon
Jack: "yeah"
“Can’t herd, can’t swim, but he can protect his boah.”
Can't ride horse carefully and fell
I don't want to like, 666 right now
I protect
I attack
But most of all I can’t swim
John Marston BROTHER
@@humnasohail5856 UR ALIVE BOAH
Seeing John and jack playing swords was the most heart warming thing ever
I know right..😅
At first John was like if he is my son now he's protecting him like a real father would have💖
And then Micah had to ruin it.
Considering that chapter in the game was the most depressing
All fun till John bring an actual sword
Ikr
Meanwhile I'm still here wondering why Dutch trusts a guy who has been with him for 7 months over someone who he raised since 15.
Because Micah is a master manipulator
Dutch was really unstable at the time so it was easy for micah to step into his head and make him paranoid of his closest gang members stabbing him in the back.
Well it's because Arthur was "doubting" all his bad decisions while Micah was encouraging him. Everytime Arthur tried to make Dutch see reason, Micah would step in.
That and he was to proud and egotistical to admit he was played like a fiddle......dam it ducth
Jacob Reynolds he is a master baiter
Love how john goes from "not the best time kid." To "you leave my son the hell alone" undercover character development.
Then goes on to call his son a idiot in the first game
@@inktheone5933 lol gotta love prequels
It was towards the very beginning and end of the game though it wasn’t overnight
@@colebresnehen38 i know?
Did you see how Micah backed away when John saw he was getting close to Jack. What a fucking coward.
Seeing John come from “not the best time for it, kid” to actually playing with him and genuinely enjoying it really warmes my heart
That's why this game is a legend
You can't help but to admire John's Character. Despite being an outlaw, he show that he does care and that he's a stand up dude, especially during that time and emotional environment.
It's wholesome
kshamwhizzle same, i love johns story and character more than arthur
@kshamwhizzle Arthur took no sh*t from anyone and had some great sarcasm.
John just agrees with everyone on every remark about him: If Abigail says he's a useless fool, he agrees with it; If Uncle calls him a miserable sack of sh*t, he agrees with him.
John is no fun man at all, rather he surrounds himself with people who make fun of him (Uncle, Arthur, etc.). I can't even recall any joke or witty response of his. He just acts like dumb but serious cowboy. Whereas Arthur was intelligent enough to keep a journal and see the gangs' demise when John couldn't.
“Have you ever had spaghetti?”
Arthur: *FALLS OFF THE DAMN HORSE*
I know that fucking funny lol
Max Mayfire spaghetti had arthur shook
On the background too
Am I supposed to believe that John spent four years abroad in France and never had spaghetti?
@@Tm3films You do know spaghetti comes from Italy, not France, right?
Jack calls John 'pa'
John Marston: "What you call me?"
Jack calls Bronte 'Papa Bronte'
John Marston: "Don't call him that."
Ungrateful
@@hakimmarauder6432 nigga
@@lilwindex2320 Did you watch the next scene where John plays with Jack? It's part of Johns character development, he was very ungrateful at the beginning, but grew into a loving father
@@drcheesenut896 ik
@@hakimmarauder6432
That's a sign you're dumb in the head, boah
“Cherish every last moment with your son, John”
That is probably the only thing Micah has ever said that I’ve agreed with
It actually sounded very threatening how he said it.
@@jamesring80 Because it was but after RDR
He’s saying it as if he’s about to die. “Cherish every LAST moment” there’s no need for “last” to be anywhere near that sentence.
@@jamesblyth4966 It's more the tone. Micah's tone is always either saccharine or malicious. There's pretty much no in between.
But it sounds like a threat though
I can literally smell John's character development throughout the game
And I can smell my hatred for Micha
Me too. I didn't care much for Abigail towards the end tho. John tried so hard and all he did was get nagged at. He got nagged at all through the main game but he deserved most of it. Epilogue he was actually trying
texas thunder got nagged by a woman he was loyal to and gave a good life who had f*cked the entire crew
stupid dog throughout the whole rdr series tbh
It stinks
i still love the fact that john went from calling jack just 'kid' and then finally calling him his son in chapter 6 and beyond
Ive heard him say son in chapter 3
Cruisin that wasn’t even his son
oh my god I was about to laugh hard in the end about Auther Morgan hit the bridge
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 BOY
But its so weird that Jack keeps callin him Sir all the time, what is he, Johns Slave? "I missed you, Boy, really." "All right Sir"...
Jack: "have you ever had spaghetti?"
John: "what's that?"
Jack: "it's food! It looks like worms but it's..."
Arthur: *crashes his horse into a bridge*
Dutch: "WHY IS IT ALWAYS YOU?!"
Fuck I love this game
Arthur looking at Dutch thinking: 🤬
“You never were much of a rider”- Dutch, before I dusted him halfway across Lemoyne.
"DAMMIT ARTHUR! WHERE'S YA GAWD DAYUM FAITH!"
Arthur: "I GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT, DUTCH!"
Jack: he is mean.
Me loading my shotgun while every single gang member is trying to stop me: “i just wanna talk to him”
Umm i dont think anyone would stop arthur in that situation
Petition to make this happen
If I was rockstar I would add that as an option, that’s just me.
Was that a family guy reference? Cause if so, I respect it 😂.
@@nova_raindrop1257
Gottem.
I love John's character growth in this game, he goes from neglecting Jack to accepting himself as Jack's father.
Ik it’s so heart warming seeing it
And Jack goes from being distant to avenging his father
@@creed8712 exactly. That's the most beautiful part of this whole story to me
It's sad that by the time the two of them got close, John wasn't long for the world.
@@zachk5249 yeah for us but for them Jack became the one thing that everyone tried to protect him from becoming, an outlaw
"Hey pa!"
*_"What did you call me?"_*
💔
Damn that kinda hit-
it hurts more when he starts calling him sir :(
Whats wrong with being called Pa
@Itchyscrotum _testicles in that part of the game, he still didn't really think Jack was his son
Itchyscrotum _testicles Just look at Jack as an adult in the first RDR. He looks like a combination of Dutch, Javier, and John. Abigail slept with a lot of the gang members.
Jack: Come on, play pa!
John: What you call me?
12 yrs later...
John: Wanna go hunting?
Jack: Not particularly sir
That's the way it goes.
Now the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon. When you comin home son? I don't know when, but we're gonna have a good time then, dad. We're gonna have a good time then.
@SuperVince93Kaioken yeah john also now after jack gets kidnapped he started to love him
@@NPRobertoIs that Harry Chapin?
Thats the way it is
Seeing John protecting Jack warms my heart so much.
Me too 🥺🥰
He may not know it but he's got that father instinct
So thats why my hear is b
1:58
*Arthur falls off horse*
Dutch- 'wHy iS iT AlWAyS YoU?"
😂
😂
I laughed so hard 😂
Hahagaha😂😂
AD3adly Assass1n Dutch: so finally..... you had a plan Arthur
I bet the only good thing Micah ever did was give Arthur a new holster
And Lancaster repeater
Aurther could have bought it tho
And kill the sniper who kills Sean
@@christopherboatright255 nah arther or bill could have done it I mean no offense 👍
@@TheNegativeElectron I mean yeah but micah was real quick to shoot while Arthur and bill just kinda stood there just possessing what just happened
"It looks like worms but it's delicious"
*Arthur falls over and breaks his back*
herald swiss that’s how you catch the lumbago
Dutch: Why is it always you?
L U M B A G O
@Ali Shabbiri slow and painful death
The conversation got too awkward
This shows how haneous Micah is, talking trash to a small child about his father, but squealing away when John intervenes. truly a rat-person
i understand what youre saying, but calling micah a rat feel a bit insulting to rats tho
It truly takes a weak, miserable, pathetic person to pick on a child. I really respect what John says afterwards “leave my son the hell alone, you’ve got something to say, say it to me you son of a bitch”
@@deathangel8690 call him a wolf
@@alboorts that's an insult to wolves
@@LoganDX1990 then we gotta insult the wolves
Micah: Exist.
Everyone: Im about to *Antagonize* this whole man career..
was we suppose to laugh
Arom Haiasi idk
Arom Haiasi I don’t think so
I don’t think we was supposed to laugh at that pardner
I want to punch him so bad
This is so amazing how much John changed and became a great father
True
John certainly did his best by his family especially once he realised just how much they mean to him
@@christophermcmillan9948 When he told Micah "Leave my *son* alone" 😭
Until he got gunned down
@@anonymousandy1276 shhh dont talk about dat
Everyone’s talking about how John changed a lot, and I’m over wheezing at how Arthur flew off his horse at the end 😂😂😂
Deathly Sunset he got some air man, and some pretty good distance
Deathly Sunset I’m dying over Dutch “Why is it always you”
And the “AHHHH” I’M DEAD SHSBSNSHSH
Horse accidents in the game are really funny until they're not. And then after a while they're just really, really irritating.
Ok so while Dutch's relationship with Molly goes to crap John's relationship with young jack goes up
Thsts the way it is
Dutch shoved her away. Of course it went to crap. Where else would it go? You could say John did the same to Jack, but he pulls Jack back to him, and works to undo any damage done.
There's a major difference in effort between these two scenarios.
“Why is he being mean?”
*Gets double-barrelled shotgun*
Me: Thou shall never insult toddler jack
i love how you added toddler jack because of how uninteresting he is an adult lol
Exemplar Gaming
Jack didn’t really have much time under the spotlight, so that’s not very fair. The one thing we saw him do was avenge his father, and his future is left ambiguous.
If he was 19 like in the RDR1 epilogue Jack could kick Micah's ass.
*YOU TOUCHA THE CHILD*
TheTotalmuffin I mean to be fair he also called my beautiful horse a “damn nag” so no I was not particularly fond of Adult Jack with his wispy creepy mustache and surly manners.
Now I'm imagining john chasing Micah around camp with a stick and everyone is either laughing or cheering "get 'em"
That would be so damn funny!!
Yea Dutch totally wouldn’t say what the hell or stop that
Then Charles joins in on the action only he sharpened his stick at both ends
Ye
@B1aze ye
The camp system is really revolutionary in this game. Remember the days where NPC’s would just idly stand or walk around and only interact with dialogue when you talked to them? They really were able to make the camp feel lively in a way few of any other video games have
Ikr its boring as hell when the charcters are just like "we need to get supplies" and thats the only thing they say
Mr. Smile they say an immense amount of stuff
@@nerad1994 he meant other games, I suppose. He wrote "Ikr" (I know, right).
Oink Oink oh thanks for that, makes sense re reading it lol
Elder Scrolls 6, take note
I legitimately don’t understand how nobody just shot Micah when nobody else was looking. Arthur easily could’ve killed him right after the Strawberry massacre and told Dutch he got hit in the shootout.
At that point in the game, Micah doesn’t seem to have done *too* much. Arthur definitely doesn’t trust him, and only breaks him out of jail on Dutch’s behalf, but at this point Micah hasn’t started manipulating Dutch or anything else. It’s not until Chapter 6 where I think Micah really started to play his hand, and if that mission happened then, Arthur probably would’ve done that, yeah
I've been playing this game for the 1st time w/ my roommate (who's played it before) & Ever since we started Chapter 6, I've just constantly be asking her, "Can we shoot Micah? Is that an option?" I've also asked if we can shoot Dutch, lol
Micah is a Character that can only exist in a heavily scripted Video Game such as Red Dead Redemption 2. Realistically speaking, Arthur and John already suspect him of being a rat, if not just a corrosive entity inside the Gang itself. Given the amount of turmoil that follows Micah wherever he goes, anybody with deductive reasoning can identify him as the problem, and the problem with this Story? John and Arthur both do exactly that. Yet, they do nothing, because Rockstar doesn't let them. Were we discussing Human Beings interacting, rather than Video Game Characters, I do not see Micah surviving after Chapter 4, at the latest. He'd either be exiled at best (for his sake), or shot in cold blood at worst.
I mean, it's because nobody really knew anything yet. However, if I was Arthur, when fighting Micah on that cliff, I would've spit on him. Pulled a Downes on that man
@@Broken_Savior if arthur had any sense, he'd have put two in his back in strawberry while he was getting his guns back.
"dutch told me to come get you"
"aight cool lemme just kill an entire town first, brb"
"uh, no?"
sorry dutch, crazy fool went and got hisself shot, weren't nothing i could do
Micah: Dies
Literally everybody:
*Cha Cha Real Smooth*
I busted out the ugliest laugh sjsjsj
Hosea...........we just needed more money
Calm down Dutch us BOAHS need to stick together
COWPOKE!!!!
Well to be honest if micah didn't die i don't think that john will actually be kill by the government
(but to be honest this bitch needs to die)
1:58 Arthur is so choked that jack eats worms that he fell of his horse
lol
So how many times have you antagonized Micah?
Me: yes
Greeted : 0
Antagonized : 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Hmm, how many pieces of bread have you ate?
@@jenniferomo3535 Yeah lol 😂😂
@@HH-qn9lu So glad I wasn't the only one to think of this lmao
All the chances
Micah: *was born*
*Everybody disliked that*
Except for Dutch.
If you consider Micah's upbringing, it'll be no wonder he became the kind of person he was.. I mean, his father literally taught him, "Sympathy is for the weak"
It was a cold night in 1860. Some days the coldest night on record.
John was such a deadbeat in the first few chapters. His character development between the final chapters and Red Dead 1 is incredible. He turned into a completely different person.
John never was a deadbeat he just had alot going on in his life
Not necessarily a deadbeat more or less he just didn't want that responsibility at the time
John was literally up to nothing in the first few chapters. It's actually amazing how he went from an actual idiot to one of the baddest Rockstar protagonists to date.
"You've seen a person change but i have seen a person who he really is"
-John Marston & Arthur Morgan
@@ericbaldemor8307 John was never an actual idiot, he's always been quite intelligent and among the smartest in the gang along with Arthur, Hosea and Dutch. He only acted dumb because he was young and wanted to avoid responsibility.
Hosea points this out in a camp conversation.
John : "Jack go to your mother now son"
*Jack runs off to Abigail*
Micah gets dragged into the cave and beaten to a pulp by John and Arthur.
The True endinheirados lol
If only
*House building theme starts to play*
@@tseg0411 💀
I would love that cutscene
In chapter 1 John wouldn’t ever call jack his son, but when he said leave my SON alone made me actually smile 🥺😭
Love John's arc from "kid aint mine" to "leave my son the hell alone"
“Why is he being mean”
That broke my heart not gonna lie
Regarding the end,
The moment I fell off my horse and Dutch continued riding off without saying anything,I knew something wasn’t right.
Lol
It's because he had a pLaN! Weren't you listening?
For Dutch, it was all about self, mainly himself. As long as he had money, everyone else was expendable. Within a little while, Dutch became an O'Driscoll
Raeyne Jaymeson
Bruh, that’s some deep thinking right there.
@@MrsJasmyn45 EXPOSED:and dont even care about grimshaw's death
I am feeling bad for asking but.. when did that happen?
John before: hes not my son
John after rescuing his son: hes my son
Ashplayz think it took that for him to really appreciate jack
I don't think he cared at that point if it was his flesh and blood like dutch didnt care if arthur or john were adopted or not
Almost losing him made him realise how precious he was to him. And he was pissed with himself that he was in denial just because he was scared of being a father.
John talking about Micah: He's son of bitch
Man every character had so much development in this game
“Why is it always you?!” Has me on the ground laughing
Jack: "It's food, it looks like worms...."
*Arthur flies off his horse and breaks his back*
Jack and John continue their conversation like nothing happened
Dutch from the distance: "Why is it always you?"
Gold
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Golden moment
Lol
To be fair arthur and John are the only 2 people to repeatedly crash their horse into a bridge or sign or wall
“Cherish every last moment with your son, John”
Foreshadowing......
Charles Warner no please don’t say that 😭😭😭😭
@@Kristian-yz1bsJohn dies mate it is foreshadowing
Charles Warner any piece of foreshadowing was purposely put in there
@@stylisticsguy3746 yep
@@louisrage2ndchannel126 RDR 3 will probably be a prequel to RDR 2. If it follows Jack it'll be well into WW1 timeline and I don't think they'll go there.
0:58
I like how the animation blends in with the dialogue when he notices Arthur.
This game is so well blended
The actor for micah really should’ve gotten an award for his acting.
John in chapter one to three is a terrible father to Jack, a even worse husband, and above all else is an idiot, but after Jack gets kidnapped he learns of all the mistakes he made and tries his best to become better then he was before, sometimes it worked and sometimes it failed, but at least he's trying.
Well said, Corporal Capslock. Well said.
Terrible Edits Why Are You Typing Like This
@@jakeola10 You got a problem?
@@jakeola10 it's his goddamn choice he's talking about a valuable point here and u come and be negative and ruin it
@John Nolan Well good for you :)
Jack: “Why is he being mean?”
Me: *loading my shotgun* So tell me, who was being mean to you?
Jack: Micah.
Me: First step would be to get Dutch out of camp for a few hours.
Jack: Mi---
Arthur: *unloads shotgun into Micah
did you know micah killed cain
@@LtsaurusRex hosea walks in nods walks back out*whistles pop goes the weasle*
@@stinkfarts and that is why Micha is still in his camp near strawberry
HE EVENTUALLY PLAYED WITH JACK IM CRYING THATS SO CUTE
Bruh if you antagonize people in camp John punches you, but when Micah straight up threatened Jack, John was just like "leave us alone"
... because everyone knows Arthur is the better man, and they hold him to that standard. Micah is just a rat, and I don't think a lot of the members see that much good in him.
Getting knocked out in camp for antagonising too much is a game mechanic and the game's way of telling you to stop being a dipshit lol.
Micah actually gets punched on quite a few occassions. Look up his interactions with Javier and Charles
@@krypticunlimited6925if Charles wasn't held back or didn't restrain himself he legit would have killed Micah and Micah wouldn't have done shit to stop him
Micah is a pretty decent shooter, not quite on par with prime Arthur but still good enough to be considered skilled however as far as physical prowess goes he couldn't even overpower a near dying Arthur
Jack: “Someone is being mean...”
Me: “Someone did What now...
*Loads Double Barrel Shotgun*
Jack: it’s food...it looks like worms, but it’s delici-
Arthur: *dies*
(Edit: wowie I came back 8 months later with 4.3k likes, thank ya)
Uncle Arthur!
Arthur was not paying attention to ride a horse
because he wanted spaghetti
@@999dunkins but the horse is supposed to auto pilot
when does that happen
@@skywarser1610 you can still steer it in cinematic mode. That ride was not really a cut scene, the player just had it in cinematic mode.
I love how john slowly grows to appreciate and love Jack he went from ignoring him to defending him from a rat.
but I'm afraid that in hand to hand combat John would have no chances against Micah
@@JohnDoe-vp9eyNah. Micah struggled against a sick and dying Arthur, so a young and healthy John would absolutely demolish him in a fist fight
@@_Atreides_ Arthur is much stronger than John buddy. John is a great shot but it doesn't mean that he is as good a bare knuckle fighter as a shooter. Micah is heavier and a mean bastard with no principles, I think he's capable of ripping almost anybody's head clean off if he has enough reasons for that. And the fact that he struggled against Arthur doesn't mean he couldn't have won the fight in case Arthur was healthy
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey john and Arthur were the toughest out of the whole gang. John had no problem punching Arthur in camp all the time. And at the end he took at micahs gang and the rest of his old gang.
@@JohnDoe-vp9ey he got his shit rocked by a dead man walking
1:11 John was so angry he threw that stick into non-existence.
1:20 - John talking about Dutch instead of Micah.
I noticed that
Ye I heard
Well because he’s saying if anyone’s the rat it’s Micah and he’s annoyed that Dutch thinks it’s him. Or maybe it was just a glitch
@@EddieFreakit was definitely a glitch. That's not where that dialogue is meant to play
John couldn't believe it when Jack actually called him "Pa", which is why he said "What did you call me?".
“Come play pa”
John: *WHAT DID YOU CALL ME*
BomBaaasticGaming why did he say that?
michelle martinez john wasn’t used to it since he had no relation with jack
I think it was more that he was caught off guard and Jack calling him “Pa” kind of made him do a mental double take. He wasn’t expecting it, but I don’t think he was mad that Jack referred to John as his father. If anything I’m sure that, if this was applied in a real life scenario, it would have left John smiling afterwards.
@@Emilystarks No, he didn't believe Jack was his son because Abigail was a prostitute and slept with a lot of gang members, the only ones that were actually said were Bill, Javier and Dutch, but there's a lot of evidence pointing toward Uncle and Arthur being with her too. That's why at the beginning of RDR2 Arthur was always angry at John for ditching the gang for a year, he left because he was afraid of being a father and he didn't think he was.
FattyMcLangy 🤷♀️ well we’ll never know. It’s a game and up to interpretation.
From "What did you call me?" to "Leave my son the hell alone." My heart I can't
1:57 I put my volume too loud that I got scared by that sound only to realize Arthur was flung off his horse again. Dammit Arthur XD
It just happened to me. Was like what the hell was that
I was not expecting it 😂 lmao
"It's delicious"
Arthur: falling off...
That's some comedy skit right there!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!😂😂😂😂
Hilarious
Jack: have you ever had spaghetti?
John: no... what’s that?
Arthur: *rams his horse into the side of the bridge*
Rip Arthur
Hey ma BOAH did you find lenny ma BOAH did you find ma BOAH! ?
U real Arthur cause I found so many Arthur's in UA-cam cause why u hurt urself
Dutch: WHY IS IT ALWAYS YOU?!!?
Jack: why is he being mean?
Me: *loads m1899* oh don’t worry about it
Best gun in the game bro that thing HITS
... it has just been added...
@@DangerousMedic i usually duel wield with them and it's absolutely fantastic when using deadeye on a bunch of enemies.
I fuckin love that gun
ATL HawksFan honestly it’s so much fun just spraying enemies with it
"cherish every last moment with your son john" that hits different when u played rd1 first
The only heart warming interaction in Beaver Hollow
There is an interaction between Arthur and Mary-Beth where he tells her the truth about his condition and how his sickness helped him see the world from a different perspective, that he sees it better.
There's another one where Abigal tells Arthur she's very grateful to have him as a friend and that she feels safe with him after rescuing John with Sadie.
1:57 had me dying more than Arthur with his TB
I was expecting John to break that stick over Micah’s head and then beat the hell out of him
I know I would've.
If Jack wasnt there watching, he'd do it.
Shit, just break the damn thing over his head then stab him with the broken pieces
@@childhoodtraumakid4063 Micah would beat the shit out of you lol
John of RDR1 would have. He seemed to have a much shorter fuse by that point.
Seeing jack and John spend time is heart warming
"I`ll be Achille, and you`ll be Hector!" Jack always was a smart kiddo. It is incredible that he had read the Iliad at that age. I wonder how he came out like this in that kind of environment.
Hosea read a lot for and with him :(
He came out as an outlaw just like his dad
Well jack actually went on to be an author, as you can find a book called Red Dead Redemption written by him on some bookshelves in GTA V
@@adamb1593 and in RDR1 when John talks to Jack after all his work, Jack says he's gonna be a writer
The Iliad isn't exactly kid friendly last time I checked
*Well, when I see this kind of videos, I get nostalgic and I can't stop thinking that I would be a great outlaw if it wasn't for ...*
*LUMBAGO*
Uncle moment
I loved how Micah starts raising his hands up when confronted showcasing how pathetic he is without a gun or against someone who is capable of defending ones self
That's the nature of bullies. They back down once they realize the person actually fights back
@@LoganDX1990then the teacher comes and punishes you than the guy who started it
@@bananadaily2317 of course. I always hated that.
*0:57** Seeing John defending his son is so good. He hadn't considered Jack his son before, but he definitely was. The evolution of both characters is fantastic.*
It’s because Jack technically is not his biological son since Abigail was “getting around”but I’m glad John realized Jack is all he’s got for a father figure
@@DigitalDash-He is canonicaly jacks father.Even npcs mistake him for john in rdr 1.
John: Hey Micah I got you a present
Micah: Really cowpoke?
-Is handed a lit stick of dynamite -
Micah: Micah like candy... *BOOM* *End of Looney Toons theme plays*
Sadie should call in our online character with spiked moonshine.
@Bruh Man yeah
I cried at Arthur’s wheezing voice when he said “he’s come fully undone.” It makes me cry.
You did the conversations and moving very smoothly in this one, thank you!
I love how concerned John was about Bronte touching Jack. He might've been a deadbeat at first, but he truly learned to love again.
So sweet! I love how John starts out refusing to have anything to do with Jack, then starts playing with him and defending him from Micah. I think when Jack was kidnapped by the Braithwaites and Angelo Bronte he finally realized that he not only had to but wanted to be there for Jack.
The fact that John ain’t the best parent ever, but would still protect his kid with his life is heart warming
Man you are wholesome . I may never hear these conversation when l play the game .
@Jay Chamorro Lneny*
@@TM-qk2yy Ynnel*
@@mario40164 Nyenl*
Haha. Did yall go into the room up stairs when all the bar patrons looked like lenny? You open the door and see a naked lenny with boobs riding another lenny. Arthur's reaction is priceless!
John went from ditching his family for a year to dying for them in rdr1💪
I dunno. It’s so heartwarming and heartbreaking to see John become a real father to jack.
@Layne G Given the context of RDR2, it's more impactful. John is already a loving and devoted father in RDR1 but we see him change from a guy who doesn't want responsibility for his child and barely interacts with him to someone who cares so much for Jack and wants to do so much for him towards the end of RDR2. So it is heart-warming and heart-breaking.
@@palettedpersona heart breaking? Why?
@@stanlytherobot4933 It's heartbreaking when you see how John and Jack end up.
@@palettedpersona yeah, i can agree. I would describe it more as heart-wrenching though.
@@stanlytherobot4933 That works too ^^
Micah: charish every last moment with your son John
Also Micah: *gets killed by John*
4 years later at the farm of beechers hope:
@@posstaldude 3 years with Jack at a river:
John's character development is truly amazing in this game tbh
It really is. It gives him a complete arc, not only for him, but for Dutch, and the whole gang in general. John has really evolved, and it completed his story, and complicated father-son relationship with Jack. But I loved how it fleshed John out even more, and balanced it with so many other characters at the same time.
Jack: Pa
John: W H A T D I D Y O U C A L L M E ?
This is why love John, he is such a good dad, even if he doesn't seem like it
1:57 when life hits you hard
2-k-w Maverick l o o k s l I k e w o r m s
When I saw John playing with Jack it really warmed my heart honestly. I'm glad there's a clip of this now cuz I really enjoyed that moment with them, it's really wholesome ^u^ -Also Micah does need to go to hell-
Ik a few man tears came out
Its really nice to watch johns progression into a better man throughout the story
its so sweet how john was like “why are you callin me pa?? i ain’t doin that nonsense” then the next moment he’s like “enguarde, my precious son”
I literally bump into something and fall off my horse every mission in that game.
Jack: Why is he being so mean?
Awwwww! I wanna give him hug! 😟
“Come on play, pa!”
“What did you call me?”
:(
0:05
The reason i think John questioned Jack was because i don’t think John thought Jack was really his son because Abigail had romances with most of the gang before she got with John or Jack never called him it... :(
One criticism I have of the game is making Micah so detestable yet making it impossible to do anything about it. I'm not expecting to be able to gun him down in camp cos it would ruin the plot but the reality is that on several occasions Micah implies or openly suggests that the gang should cut loose people like Pearson, Grimshaw, Mary-Beth etc. Everything he says is in contradiction to the Robin Hood family of outlaws vibe that is supposed to be so important to the gang and yet he is able with seemingly zero resistance to create a civil war.
I thought it was just a little unrealistic that people like Arthur and Hosea and John just allow this all to happen. The guy constantly makes racist remarks to Lenny and Charles as well and people just accept him as part of the group. Personally I think it's a miracle that Charles didn't pull his spine out of his arsehole sometime in the first 2 chapters.
He didn’t say to cut loose Pearson he meant useless people like Swanson Pearson was the cook he was definitely not useless
Pinkerton Detective Agency Open up Swanson,molly was definitely useless
For real lt would have made me feel better to scrap with him in camp just once.
Frank Bear you're coming at it hot. The reason it's brought up as a critique is that Dutch's gang is multi-cultural compared to the time it lived in and Micah being openly sexist and racist amongst the gang made the commenter feel a bit of dissonance, that although you or I might not feel is a big deal is an understandable criticism.
Frank Bear Yeah, racism is okay because at least it’s not murder.
I love how johns evolution with his wife and son changed throughout the game. Great character development
I think it was the fact that he nearly lost his son because of what that Braithwaite bitch did that finally caused John Marston to really grow to love his little boy.
Shows how cowardly Micah really is.
He retreated faster than the French when John called him on his bs and was ready to throw hands
DK not to mention that his just as much of a fraud as West dickens (snake oil guy from rdr1)
DK wow a joke about French people yay ! I surrender ! Baguette! Oulala so funny 🤦
i love how John stands up to jack shows how good of a father he is
"Come on, play Pa."
"What did you call me?"
WOW, WOW THAT'S JUST... WOW
CrossBones Jr360 why?
I hate that I love you so much it’s awful. What kind of person talks to their kid like that?
Well John still has doubts of paternity due to Abigail being a former hooker.
vr - true
@@tshred666 its not his kid. Just look at him, geez.
John's reaction when Jack calls him "pa" is one of the sweetest things I've ever seen
You know, when you think about it, Bronte actually could've been a very good adoptive father to Jack in a supportive way. Think of it like if it were an alternate timeline where he was never rescued, and the whole gang (women included) met their end much sooner in the series (presumably somewhere after Milton and Ross walked into their camp in Lemoyne and after the Braithwaites stole Jack, where they could've been assualted by a whole army of lawmen and Pinkerton agents). From what Jack had spoke about Bronte, Bronte was keeping him well fed and clothed, probably gave him a warm bed under a solid roof, and even went out of his way to teach him some Italian. If that's not clear evidence that Bronte was more than willing to care for Jack like his own son, then I must be mentally impaired.
I could even imagine a game set where that type of scenario occurred. A young Jack, in his early twenties, must hunt down and kill the agents responsible for the death of his parents, all the while dealing with trouble within the Bronte crime syndicate as unknown forces strive against him.
This is fanfic material :O
Niceee haha Would probably have better online than rdr2 lol
It does until you wonder why the braithwaites would sell a young boy like jack to bronte in the first place (a guy who up until this point has had no interaction with the van der linde gang and no knowledge of who they are). Then it starts to sink in that he was probably "grooming" jack.
James McMann but Catherine mentioned that he would be sent to Italy. So my assumption is bronte had a connection that would pay for slaves and he was going to give the braithwaites a cut of the pay
Bronte did something really inapropriate to jack and john said dont do it until yout older so i dont think he would have been a good father.
The year is 2021 and i'm still laughing at Arthur falling from the goddamn horse