I also watched a guy get eaten by wolves, a lady suffocate under the weight of her horse, another drunk guy hug a horses ass and get kicked to death, some lady bawling over her husband's hanging... My Arthur likes to watch... 👁👁 👅 👢👢
A man and a woman arguing like a married couple and they aren’t even married! The Van Der Linde gang could've just made a film about John and Abigail and they'd be golden just like how dramas are these days, full of whining women and brooding men.
Never understood the hate for abigails 'nagging'. She's not nagging, she's asking John to be a father and being reasonably upset when he refuses to do so.
People seem to be forgetting that John is literally an outlaw putting all their lives on the line. If anything was more worth "nagging" someone about...
I feel as if she is right in chapter 1-6, but she really is deranged in chapters 7-8. Both her angry rants at pronghorn are insane. "God dammit John! How dare you act in self defense when your life was in danger! Think of Jack, you should have allowed yourself to be shot!" "God Dammit John! How dare you save the ranch from being run out of business! You should have stayed in bed, so that the ranch is shut down and we need to move on again!" In her goodbye letter to John, she will write "I see you are CLEARLY incapable of living a normal life." And as if to directly mock her, the game will then show a montage of John living a perfectly normal and happy life on the farm, without Abigail, proving her wrong. She finally comes back, after John Charles and Uncle do 100% of the work building her dream house for her, and she has the NERVE to insult Uncle and tell him to go!? Firstly he built the house. Secondly he BLED for the house, he was tortured and nearly killed by the skinners making her damn dream house. Leave the old man alone!
Well, the Epilogue shows that he became a present father but not a really good one. It was necessary for Abigail and Jack leave him so that he could finally understand that he was not a good husband and father. Props up for Charles and Uncle for helping him
Something like Mr Marston could you please hold my beer for a moment while I go kidnap your family ? Do I have to ? Do I make it sound like a choice? Agent Ross is very particular on this subject Mr Marston Shut up Archer
John Marston in the early part of RDR2 : Hangs out with Bill and Javier while mock Abigail John Marston in RDR : Lives with Abigail while hunt down Bill and Javier
Honestly, I spent so much time away from home as John in the epilogue. WTB divorce function, since by then you should be stinking rich anyway, so child support would be chump change and you'd be free of the endless nagging. EDIT: Maybe then the player could shack up with someone fun, like Sadie or Karen.
Roel The allmighty he wanted to get him back because he’s his son and he loves him he only says that it’s because of Abigail because he doesn’t know how to show his emotions
Dude there's no indication that John doesn't just love Jack. He's too ashamed of himself to do the "Fathering" openly. Here he's mostly immature against his character in RDR with difficulty expressing things. Notice how throughout the prologue of RDR2 to RDR his personality changes and he becomes more confident. It's true that Abigail and John complete each other.
My take on it is this... I believe that before Jack was taken, John didn’t even understand the feelings he had for his family. In his mind the life with the gang was the only life he knew, and he figured that was the only life he would live from that point on. He was cold, and didn’t see a point in trying to make a connection with his family.
@@mitchellrupena9460 He also never had a real relationship with his father so he doesn’t know what a good father would do. He was only 4 years older than Jack when he was orphaned so he probably has a cynical view of parenthood in general
@@josephstalin2606 yes, john's father was a drunk violent man, got blind in one of his bar fights I suppose john's childhood and relation with his father would have been horrible With the facts that he had a very low opinion about himself as a man and as a father, tried to do better with abi and jack even before jack kidnapping, he's a tortured man Also, john said something in chap2 to arthur like john's family is "safe" in the gang, so it's different than for arthur's deceased family, john has less a reason to be very present and protectice to jack
@@SirToaster9330 He wasn’t ever hanged, it’s implied he just died after getting into a bar fight. His dad wasn’t an outlaw he was just a drunkard and possibly abusive, it’s Arthur’s dad who was an outlaw and was either hanged or shot
After Jack was taken John realized he cared for his family and from then on did what he could to help them. Eventually Abigail and jack left John in the epilogue but only because she was scared he would continue robbing people and killing. Once John gave her and jack the life they wanted she stayed with him knowing he did love them both
Not trying to be an A*hole but, a lot of people used to pass a broom on grass or dirt, to remove excessive trash and rocks. Also, the fact that she can't read doesn't make her a moron, she's just "analphabetic" or uneducated. John on the other hand, and many others, made the same mistakes over and over again. He didn't learn from them, therefore he is a moron. If you don't know that fire is hot and burns, and you touch the you should know not to touch it again, but if you keep touching it then you are a certified moron. P.S. Please excuse my orthography if any mistakes, English is not my main language.
I absolutely love the fact that this isn’t the same John I knew from RDR1. I genuinely hated his guts at times but watching him slowly change into that John I knew was one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever experienced across any media I’ve experienced, as of yet.
@@leandros.9063 John knocked her up and ran away. In that day and age, that's a pretty pathetic thing to do. Abigail might have been a real bitch at times, but you could tell she was driven there by the fact that she couldn't even ask John to just have a talk without him having a fit. Not to mention their situation wasn't exactly a normal one. They grew to love each other eventually.
@@b.u.l.1734 there's a clip online showing Abigail going to the doctor's office in the morning to clean. John follows her, sees a sign at the front door of the doctor's, saying, "gone fishing".
It really is painful how much she cares and how little he is able to show care for her, his son and even for himself. She is more there for him than he is himself. And that's very frustrating for her. It's possible to become annoyed at her as a nag, but mature players know better. They know she's in the right.
It’s nice to see the growth John goes through. From being an arrogant selfish asshole to changing into the man we all love to see. John fell more in love with Abigail as they’re relationship went on. Glad to see he enjoyed his family for a bit before he gave his life for them.
Don't forget John's reaction as he turned and saw that Abigail was standing right there. 🤣😂🤣 I wouldn't doubt he was comparing Bill's statement about loving liquor but it's not loving him to his relationship with Abigail. 😂
Abigail was clearly in love with John from chapter one onwards. It just took him awhile to realize how good he had it. You saw how fast he manned up and handled his business once he understood. It's the one thing he learned before Arthur.
12 years later: "You always was weak minded." "You were the one who let Dutch drive you insane!" "Dutch wanted you dead. We all did." "I'm going after him next, I'll outlive all of you!" "You always was a traitor, you bastard orphan!" "And you always was a dumb inbred hick."
I love how John's and Abigail's relationship develops over the course of the story. John turns from an irresponsible and cold man to a loving father who puts his life on the line. People give Abigail grief for nagging John but she is within her rights to do so. Both her and John had difficult childhoods (both were orphans) and had to resort to crime to survive. Abigail wants Jack to have a better life, a more stable childhood and she wants John to accept his responsibility as a father. When she and Jack leave John in 1907, she doesn't do it out of spite or hatred but out of a genuine fear that John is slipping back into the outlaw life. I found John initially to be irritating as a character but as he started warming up to Jack and taking his fatherly role with a lot more seriousness and dedication, I really started to take a liking to him. His story during the Epilogue proves that he has the capacity to be a good father to Jack. Also, people commenting on Abigail being illiterate... so? It doesn't mean anything. Illiteracy was much more common back then, especially for people hailing from impoverished backgrounds, such as Abigail.
Thank you for this! Abigail has every right to be angry at John because she stepped up to the plate to take care of their son but John didn’t want to. Of course she’s going to be angry. She loves him she truly does and she just wants him to be a better man that she knows he can be. And it kills her when he never really tries to clean up his act (I’ve been there)
@@indycole396 She left him because John didn't get her a ranch...... Then she whines again after John has been doing everything to get it and only Sadie is considerate enough to understand........ To be honest, they should have just left the country. Charles and Sadie managed to do it, why not them.....
I like how throughout the game John starts to treat Abigail and Jack a little better, and then when we get to 1907 & 1911, family’s the most important thing to him to where he’d even kill his old gang members for them
It's so hard to watch John act this way to Abigail and totally neglect Jack, knowing the man he eventually becomes. I'm so glad John became a responsible husband and father because seeing him like this is blood-boiling.
@@maskedbandit5221 Definitely. I actually started RDR2 immediately after completing the first game, and seeing John be this weak ass dumbass shit ass who doesn't care for his family was a great way to distance him from the RDR1 fans and have us empathize with Arthur, being that he's treated like an errand boy by Abigail, whom he once loved.
I really appreciate the full-circle of character development the devs did for the marston family throughout rdr2. They made John and Abigail practically hate each other and not get along in the first couple chapters, but they've started to get along again around chapter 4 and 5, while still not being perfect. These little details and writing decisions really are what make rdr2 one of my favourite games.
The dialogue changes if you stand further away. Specifically the two conversations at the shady bell camp. If you stand back when they are talking under the porch they agree to sleep together in the same room as a family and they all walk upstairs. If you get too close you become involved in the conversation and Abigail gets mad.
Yup. When I entered the house and eavesdropped through the window (but close to them) they didn't acknowledge I was there just like if you had stood back far
2:15 - 3:17 I really loved how this scene played out! Just love how John and bill are being drunk shooting the shit and out of no where Abigail comes to tell john "pathetic" only this time, john is in a drunken state so Abigail's word doesn't hurt john and instead makes a mockery out the whole situation! All the while, Sean gives us a tune that perfectly fits the scene and plays us out! Beautiful scene (:
That party for Sean coming back was an awesome moment. The singing all night, discussion with John and Bill, Drinking Beer and Whisky, and asking everyone what they feel about Sean coming back
This moment John and Bill were talking about how he doesn’t really trust or like John because of Dutch’s doubt about him. So he compared liking liquor but it not liking him back to his Feelings about wanting to like him ,but it maybe not liking him back.
My favorite part is that John then goes "come here, my sweet!" Genuinely happy at her presence. Aaaand then they go have another fight in private. Lol almost feel bad for him.
6:58 John: Ain't nobody ever gonna take him again. I swear. When the o'driscolls raid the camp, the first thing John goes for is Jack. He really was sincere about that.
In fact when this happens Abigail immediately hides behind a wall with Jack, but Jack gets up and runs to John who takes him back to Abigail. You can even see Abigail trying to catch him before he goes.
@@钟离-p3b Pretty much no one could read from that time. Those who could were considered highly educated. And what the hell do you expect?! She’s just one woman, how would she be able to protect a child from a gang of men?! It was the MEN that were meant to keep the family safe and protect them.
I Love John's character development in this Game, you can't almost not recognize that's the Man Who killed his old Friends and gave his Life for his family
There's a scene in Clemens Point where Abigail tells a bunch of guy, not even a good crowd, that being a mother sucks and she hates having to take care of a snooty kid. And yet here she is about to rip off Arthur's and John's head when he's gone. Love how they grow as a couple and parents
John genuinely doesn't seem to care to even talk to Abigial... Then he later gives his life for his family... Guess something did change throughout the years!
During my play through I would notice these little moments between John and Abigail but I always left them alone to do their thing, crazy how these little moments could always be missed just by being impatient
You can clearly see that she loved him more than anything,it's not a joke,if you read between the lines you would know it,that was her way to demonstrate how much she cared about him,he's was lucky to have her and he knew it,Arthur knew it,and John never could return that much love,he did what he could,can you imagine how he felt when Ross taken them,"he failed her again,and the boy",this is something that makes you understand the name of the game,Arthur's redemption was something,but John's redemption is something more special,damn,this game is so special...
Imagine if this was real life and Arthur was always just eavesdropping in people’s conversations and standing right in front of them 😂 I doubt anyone would even talk to him
Something I really love about how the game portrays John and Abigail's failing marriage reflects a personal philosophy I've come to learn - love is a choice. There's no free 'happily ever after' once a ring is put on a finger and a pastor says some words, that's just when the real work starts. Being in love with your partner is a conscious choice you have to make every morning after you wake up. Maintaining a relationship is not easy, it can be hard and thankless work that you have to really bust your ass at. But if you and your partner both put the time and the effort into it and don't give up on each other then eventually everything will work out, no matter how badly the world goes to shit around you.
After hundreds of hours in chapter 2 across multiple playthroughs I never heard/seen them arguing this much at horseshoe. Guess I have to start another playthrough then. :D
At 5:28 John does an act of bad luck by placing his hat on the bed, A western myth is that if you place your hat on a bed you need to spit in it and kick it out your room to negate the bad luck. I think the tale is that cowboys/outlaws shouldn't live comfortably therefore a bed is an act of comfort and why the hat shouldn't touch the bed.
It's a neat arc, he was miserable at the beginning while the gang was still doing okay. In chapter 6, the gang is falling apart while John is starting to get better.
I love since it shows how much he grew up as an adult. In Rdr1 he’s way smarter and more level headed than most of the characters he runs into, whereas here he’s the exact opposite. Makes you feel like he is actually growing up and trying to become a good dad and husband. Really good development right there.
Abigail is justified in her feelings.. like telling John to be a better father.. to be there for his child. And also to be receptive to her needs and desires as well.. because he’s immature and doesn’t want to listen.. he ran off before because he didn’t want to take on the commitment of being a father.. however she’s annoying when she starts critiquing John for what he had to do at mr. Geddys ranch.. because he had to fight and defend himself.
people in and around camp trying to have a private convo...
Arthur: 👁 👃 👁
👄
Omg 😂
👁️ 👃 👁️
👄
M A L A D Y
Lmao
👂🏻👂🏻👂🏻
Arthur: "I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still, that I become invisible to the eye."
lol
Drax
@@rashadsander1734 drax the gunslinger
Sean:I shoulda known you'd be sniffing around
Lol.
I love how Arthur just stands around and watches John's failing marriage.
He's the Mike wazowski meme
I also watched a guy get eaten by wolves, a lady suffocate under the weight of her horse, another drunk guy hug a horses ass and get kicked to death, some lady bawling over her husband's hanging...
My Arthur likes to watch...
👁👁
👅
👢👢
A man and a woman arguing like a married couple and they aren’t even married! The Van Der Linde gang could've just made a film about John and Abigail and they'd be golden just like how dramas are these days, full of whining women and brooding men.
I'm a spy boah
He still saved that boah to be with his family
Never understood the hate for abigails 'nagging'. She's not nagging, she's asking John to be a father and being reasonably upset when he refuses to do so.
People seem to be forgetting that John is literally an outlaw putting all their lives on the line. If anything was more worth "nagging" someone about...
I feel as if she is right in chapter 1-6, but she really is deranged in chapters 7-8.
Both her angry rants at pronghorn are insane.
"God dammit John! How dare you act in self defense when your life was in danger! Think of Jack, you should have allowed yourself to be shot!"
"God Dammit John! How dare you save the ranch from being run out of business! You should have stayed in bed, so that the ranch is shut down and we need to move on again!"
In her goodbye letter to John, she will write "I see you are CLEARLY incapable of living a normal life."
And as if to directly mock her, the game will then show a montage of John living a perfectly normal and happy life on the farm, without Abigail, proving her wrong.
She finally comes back, after John Charles and Uncle do 100% of the work building her dream house for her, and she has the NERVE to insult Uncle and tell him to go!? Firstly he built the house. Secondly he BLED for the house, he was tortured and nearly killed by the skinners making her damn dream house. Leave the old man alone!
Bro, nah 2:37 is just nagging. That's just toxic behavior.
@@Vespyr_ she called him pathetic, how is that nagging? It's bitchy, but not naggy.
@@hunglejewel3:48 Semantics. She treats him like shit the entire game brother. Calling her nagging is a kindness.
i like how jack being kidnapped was basically a wake up call for john. that’s when he started to try and be a father
They do say. You don't always know what you have until you lose it.
Well, the Epilogue shows that he became a present father but not a really good one. It was necessary for Abigail and Jack leave him so that he could finally understand that he was not a good husband and father. Props up for Charles and Uncle for helping him
John: *breathes*
Abigail: P A T H E T I C
😂😂😂
HOW DARE YOU BREATHE? YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY *P A T H E T I C*
BITCH! HOW DARE YOU STILL LIVE!?
John: *exists*
Abigail: "Now this looks like a job for me"
Woody Bootsnake for what you wooooshing him for?
John: “Ain’t nobody gonna ever take him again. I SWEAR.”
Edgar Ross: Hold my beer.
More like: *Hold my sigar*
Edgar Ross: Hold my last cigar.
@@lucwijngaard8413 xd
Ross ain't a person
Something like
Mr Marston could you please hold my beer for a moment while I go kidnap your family ?
Do I have to ?
Do I make it sound like a choice?
Agent Ross is very particular on this subject Mr Marston
Shut up Archer
Abigail and John: *Has a heart-to-heart conversation*
Arthur: *enters the tent like Kramer*
He drink potion. Cloak of invisibility
when he said "evening to ya" i lost my shit
I heard the bassline and everything.
This comment made me bust out laughing 😁
😆...🤠👍🏼"giddy uuup!!.....Johnny..well, u know my friend Bob Sacamano?...JM rolls eyes...
John in 1899: I hate my wife.
John in 1907: I love my wife.
John in 1911: GIVE ME BACK MY WIFE.
1914: there back together
@@Lion09887 😢
@@Lion09887 That hurts man. 😞
@@Lion09887 😞
@@Lion09887 That hurts man. 😢
2:55 That music came in so perfectly like it's a transition in a sitcom.
Javier's always there lightening the mood with his guitar
John Marston in the early part of RDR2 : Hangs out with Bill and Javier while mock Abigail
John Marston in RDR : Lives with Abigail while hunt down Bill and Javier
REassassiNATION insane!!!!
Bruh
Shut up
Honestly, I spent so much time away from home as John in the epilogue. WTB divorce function, since by then you should be stinking rich anyway, so child support would be chump change and you'd be free of the endless nagging.
EDIT: Maybe then the player could shack up with someone fun, like Sadie or Karen.
@@mrj9299 so true
John’s inability of expressing his feelings and Abigail’s clingingness is what makes their relationship.
Roel The allmighty he wanted to get him back because he’s his son and he loves him he only says that it’s because of Abigail because he doesn’t know how to show his emotions
Healthy as fuck
Dude there's no indication that John doesn't just love Jack. He's too ashamed of himself to do the "Fathering" openly. Here he's mostly immature against his character in RDR with difficulty expressing things. Notice how throughout the prologue of RDR2 to RDR his personality changes and he becomes more confident. It's true that Abigail and John complete each other.
Well he has been robbing and killing since the age of 12 so u can’t really blame him for it
Opposites attract
Arthur: My lady.
Abigail: Don't talk to me, Arthur.
Arthur: Okay 😢😢😢
Anyway i won’t disturb you
@@chasevids14 Let's talk more later
Okay... I’ll catch ya later den
Well don't let me bother you 😣
@@Journey_to_who_knows it's okay 😃
Is it just me or did I notice that the closer John became with his family the further the gang started to fall apart
My take on it is this... I believe that before Jack was taken, John didn’t even understand the feelings he had for his family. In his mind the life with the gang was the only life he knew, and he figured that was the only life he would live from that point on. He was cold, and didn’t see a point in trying to make a connection with his family.
@@mitchellrupena9460 He also never had a real relationship with his father so he doesn’t know what a good father would do. He was only 4 years older than Jack when he was orphaned so he probably has a cynical view of parenthood in general
@@josephstalin2606 yes, john's father was a drunk violent man, got blind in one of his bar fights
I suppose john's childhood and relation with his father would have been horrible
With the facts that he had a very low opinion about himself as a man and as a father, tried to do better with abi and jack even before jack kidnapping, he's a tortured man
Also, john said something in chap2 to arthur like john's family is "safe" in the gang, so it's different than for arthur's deceased family, john has less a reason to be very present and protectice to jack
@@josephstalin2606 I know John's father was hanged at some point, but I read somewhere that John wasn't present to see his father die
@@SirToaster9330 He wasn’t ever hanged, it’s implied he just died after getting into a bar fight. His dad wasn’t an outlaw he was just a drunkard and possibly abusive, it’s Arthur’s dad who was an outlaw and was either hanged or shot
After Jack was taken John realized he cared for his family and from then on did what he could to help them. Eventually Abigail and jack left John in the epilogue but only because she was scared he would continue robbing people and killing. Once John gave her and jack the life they wanted she stayed with him knowing he did love them both
8:06 John: "Just making sure we got a plan"
Dutch: *in the distance* "Did someone said a _PLAAAAAAN?!"_
Dutch PLAN Der Linde
Because I HaVE a pLaN
*TAHITI*
That's all Dutch says
hygor bohm Hubner Now I got a PLAN but we need. More. *M O N E H*
Bro, Arthur just stalking their relationship make me feel uncomfortable
He is a shiper
Arthur does that to everyone in the camp. He always got to listen in on what everyone is talking about.
He's the amazing human camera
Antagonize - It’s a free country ain’t it
@@GOD-nx1yo greet: its called right to privacy
"I shoulda know you'd be sniffing around."
John can predict the future, the past and the present.
R C A past, present, and future tenses. All in one sentence.
@tu tu r/wooosh
@tu tu you do. For example, you don't know where your parents old home is so you do investigation and predict their past.
Because Arthur was standing so incredibly still, he's invisible to the human eye!
@tu tu wow you are a moron
3:45 the way Abigail walks, you know exactly what is coming.
I like how you made Arthur step back at 6:23 when she starts to scold him
its good to see john and bill laughing together
Kinda sad also
Bill was actually trying to let John know he’s in love with him...in a gay way see John is the liquor that doesn’t love him back
random but ok
@Agustin Rossetti I mean Charles said so and we all know Charles is always right sooo
They have the best sounding laughs too, I love it
That development between them, though
Ollanius Pius honestly this just make me wanna play RDR1 and I never played it before but it make me like John as a character even more
Frank Jovel i have it on my ps3. But with the fps it’s unplayable
30fps? Not that bad.
ikr
Ollanius Pius update: I started playing RDR 1 and my god John a bad ass
Abigail can’t call John a moron when she’s literally the one” cleaning the grass”
n she also can't read...
Nice comment theft
@@TimezOfInfamy Not a lot if people back then could.
@@jacobmichalski196 not an excuse if you know you can't read don't go around calling other folk that can read an moron thats common sense
Not trying to be an A*hole but, a lot of people used to pass a broom on grass or dirt, to remove excessive trash and rocks. Also, the fact that she can't read doesn't make her a moron, she's just "analphabetic" or uneducated. John on the other hand, and many others, made the same mistakes over and over again. He didn't learn from them, therefore he is a moron. If you don't know that fire is hot and burns, and you touch the you should know not to touch it again, but if you keep touching it then you are a certified moron.
P.S. Please excuse my orthography if any mistakes, English is not my main language.
2:45 scariest jumpscare of 2018
😂😂
Pathetic. Genuinely pathetic.
2:39 Abigail appearing out of nowhere
I absolutely love the fact that this isn’t the same John I knew from RDR1. I genuinely hated his guts at times but watching him slowly change into that John I knew was one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever experienced across any media I’ve experienced, as of yet.
Forreal, seeing John become the great man he is in the first game was beautiful
Same. I was worried at the beginning that this game would ruin his character, but it just made him more human.
Why? I felt bad for John in early game, imagine you being trapped with a women you don't want but because she wants you, she don't get off your tail
@@leandros.9063 John knocked her up and ran away. In that day and age, that's a pretty pathetic thing to do. Abigail might have been a real bitch at times, but you could tell she was driven there by the fact that she couldn't even ask John to just have a talk without him having a fit.
Not to mention their situation wasn't exactly a normal one. They grew to love each other eventually.
@@leandros.9063 uhh, he knocked her up and ran off. the fuck are you talking about? lol
Urban Dictionary : *“Pathetic Exists”*
Abigail : It’s Free Real Estate.
😂😂😂😂
You are a pathetic man jim i mean rip i mean john
@@sanatoriumnugget6598 John Jim
John Jim Winkle
@@steamedpings4889 Rip Jim Marston
John and Abigail really came a long way to how things were in RDR1. I love how much more depth their relationship was given in Red Dead 2.
Aki Koivunoksa yeah.... still i love rdr1 relantionship more with them.
That's some good character development to you.
Doesn't she cheat on him, even after he kinda gets his stuff together?
Abigail never cheated on John. She was a prostitute until she started a relationship with John and then had Jack.
@@b.u.l.1734 there's a clip online showing Abigail going to the doctor's office in the morning to clean. John follows her, sees a sign at the front door of the doctor's, saying, "gone fishing".
It really is painful how much she cares and how little he is able to show care for her, his son and even for himself. She is more there for him than he is himself. And that's very frustrating for her.
It's possible to become annoyed at her as a nag, but mature players know better. They know she's in the right.
It’s nice to see the growth John goes through. From being an arrogant selfish asshole to changing into the man we all love to see. John fell more in love with Abigail as they’re relationship went on. Glad to see he enjoyed his family for a bit before he gave his life for them.
John:
Abigail: "YoU'rE a PaThEtIc MaN jOhN mArStOn!"
John: Don’t I know it!
more like jim milton
@Rei Naoki because she was actually parenting their son lol
Silly little man
He is.
*John aimlessly walking around*
“Can I talk to you?”
“I am busy.”
*Proceeds to aimlessly walking through the woods*
LMAO
😂😂😂😂😂
That’s probably how he ended up lost in the mountains in the first place
L
Busy with my thoughts
2:45 that slow camera pan was comedic genius
Nabil Ahmad and then Javier start playing jajajajajajajaja it was perfect
Donaldo Guerrero Are you sure that wasn’t Sean singing?
Brandon Mobley it was Sean singing but it was Javier playing the Guitar.
2:45
Don't forget John's reaction as he turned and saw that Abigail was standing right there. 🤣😂🤣 I wouldn't doubt he was comparing Bill's statement about loving liquor but it's not loving him to his relationship with Abigail. 😂
Abigail was clearly in love with John from chapter one onwards. It just took him awhile to realize how good he had it. You saw how fast he manned up and handled his business once he understood. It's the one thing he learned before Arthur.
2:14 John and Bill’s friendship before they kill each other 🤣
12 years later:
"You always was weak minded."
"You were the one who let Dutch drive you insane!"
"Dutch wanted you dead. We all did."
"I'm going after him next, I'll outlive all of you!"
"You always was a traitor, you bastard orphan!"
"And you always was a dumb inbred hick."
3:57 so that’s how John got his dead eye
Ynw Sosa Smacked the dead eye into him
yOu MiSeRaBlE sCoTcH sAcK oF sHiT
@@defectedclone6649 nice tongue you got there lady
6:22 That actually scared me. Breaking the 4th wall talking to me like my anxiety.
Thats not breaking the 4th wall
Greg Williams Never mess Temper Abigail hehe
It's not cinema
Yeah it's crazy how immersive this game can get you. Its little details like this that pull in you.
My heart started racing a little. Like "yes ma'am, you right."
I love how John's and Abigail's relationship develops over the course of the story. John turns from an irresponsible and cold man to a loving father who puts his life on the line. People give Abigail grief for nagging John but she is within her rights to do so. Both her and John had difficult childhoods (both were orphans) and had to resort to crime to survive. Abigail wants Jack to have a better life, a more stable childhood and she wants John to accept his responsibility as a father. When she and Jack leave John in 1907, she doesn't do it out of spite or hatred but out of a genuine fear that John is slipping back into the outlaw life.
I found John initially to be irritating as a character but as he started warming up to Jack and taking his fatherly role with a lot more seriousness and dedication, I really started to take a liking to him. His story during the Epilogue proves that he has the capacity to be a good father to Jack.
Also, people commenting on Abigail being illiterate... so? It doesn't mean anything. Illiteracy was much more common back then, especially for people hailing from impoverished backgrounds, such as Abigail.
Yeah, she gets unnecessary hate...
Thank you for this! Abigail has every right to be angry at John because she stepped up to the plate to take care of their son but John didn’t want to. Of course she’s going to be angry. She loves him she truly does and she just wants him to be a better man that she knows he can be. And it kills her when he never really tries to clean up his act (I’ve been there)
Have you played RDR 1?
@@indycole396 She left him because John didn't get her a ranch...... Then she whines again after John has been doing everything to get it and only Sadie is considerate enough to understand........
To be honest, they should have just left the country. Charles and Sadie managed to do it, why not them.....
Nah her nagging is annoying
6:23 you can sense his fear as he steps back and when he turns around...just pure ‘what the hell’
I like how throughout the game John starts to treat Abigail and Jack a little better, and then when we get to 1907 & 1911, family’s the most important thing to him to where he’d even kill his old gang members for them
"Let me know if you'd like me to peel you a grape", okay that's what I like to call a roast.
Peel
@@tracyrae4854 Fixed it
@@AlexKS1992 nice
@ITS bullzie it actually is you just don't know what it means
@ITS bullzie So since peeling a grape is considered tedious Arthur is making fun of John for people having to always pamper him and do things for him
4:48 Johns reaction when he hears Abigail calling for him is amazing 😂😂😂
PTSD response from her calling his name so many times.
Reminds me of re4 LEEEEOOOON HEEELP
John just says what we’re thinking
comparado a los shows que hace tu madre para todos tus compañeros obvio es zzz
It’s like an alarm clock from a fantastic dream
It's so hard to watch John act this way to Abigail and totally neglect Jack, knowing the man he eventually becomes. I'm so glad John became a responsible husband and father because seeing him like this is blood-boiling.
Same when i first played i was like “how could anybody like this pos” but by the end of the game im glad he finally came around.
Yes especially being an og rdr1 player I was shocked
@@icesparrow4080 Totally. Especially as an OG fan, it sucks.
@@maskedbandit5221 Definitely. I actually started RDR2 immediately after completing the first game, and seeing John be this weak ass dumbass shit ass who doesn't care for his family was a great way to distance him from the RDR1 fans and have us empathize with Arthur, being that he's treated like an errand boy by Abigail, whom he once loved.
Yeah, I was taken aback when I saw how neglectful, because I grew up on the first game and knew John as devoted and faithful husband and father.
I really appreciate the full-circle of character development the devs did for the marston family throughout rdr2. They made John and Abigail practically hate each other and not get along in the first couple chapters, but they've started to get along again around chapter 4 and 5, while still not being perfect. These little details and writing decisions really are what make rdr2 one of my favourite games.
4:56 when he said "excuse me" i though he was gonna go talk to abigail but no, instead he walk to the side of the river and stand there
A year after release and we are still discovering dialogue
After a year I found the cupcake
@@pokochoco5931 there’s a cupcake?
@@DripJambe yes
@@DripJambeyeah it's in Joe's place near strawberry
Even 3 years
The dialogue changes if you stand further away. Specifically the two conversations at the shady bell camp. If you stand back when they are talking under the porch they agree to sleep together in the same room as a family and they all walk upstairs. If you get too close you become involved in the conversation and Abigail gets mad.
For sure, i need play again this game.
Wow, that's crazy detailed!
Yup. When I entered the house and eavesdropped through the window (but close to them) they didn't acknowledge I was there just like if you had stood back far
I'll keep that in mind during my third gameplay of the story. Thank you!
"life is... life is brutal, brief.. and random!"
"but liquor.."
"..is wonderful."
Dont forget the rand hello they got
”Hellooo”
Shut up layhe your drunk
"Yeah.. Well said."
I LOVE LIQUOR I LOVE IT BUT LIQUOR DONT LOVE ME
6:27 me:"wait a second, this mean that they saw me all the time that i was spieng them? Emberassing...."
“Let me rest in the sun”
**IS IN THE SHADE**
**John and Abigail get into a heated argument**
_Arthur: M’lady __2:08_
Arthur: WELL THEN, IF YOU KEEP REJECTING NICE GUYS LIKE ME JUST TO FUCK WITH IDIOT LIKE HIM, YOU BE-
@@l.pietrobon3925 arthur is a nice guy confirmed
He do be simpin'
@@eigorson thank you
Abigail: "Don't talk to me, Arthur"
Authur: Okay :(((
2:15 - 3:17 I really loved how this scene played out! Just love how John and bill are being drunk shooting the shit and out of no where Abigail comes to tell john "pathetic" only this time, john is in a drunken state so Abigail's word doesn't hurt john and instead makes a mockery out the whole situation! All the while, Sean gives us a tune that perfectly fits the scene and plays us out! Beautiful scene (:
That party for Sean coming back was an awesome moment. The singing all night, discussion with John and Bill, Drinking Beer and Whisky, and asking everyone what they feel about Sean coming back
@@SardonicJosh I'm replying chapter 2 for the 3rd time and yea I stayed at Camp all night while Micah was in jail still 💀🤦♂️ worst mission for last
This moment John and Bill were talking about how he doesn’t really trust or like John because of Dutch’s doubt about him. So he compared liking liquor but it not liking him back to his Feelings about wanting to like him ,but it maybe not liking him back.
My favorite part is that John then goes "come here, my sweet!" Genuinely happy at her presence. Aaaand then they go have another fight in private. Lol almost feel bad for him.
Nice, the term shooting the shit is underused and it annoys us southern people.
2:27 laughing together then a couple years later John kills him
He implores him
John tried to talk it out, but Bill shot first and left the man for dead. What goes around, comes around
@@brunoclement123 LMAO
@@brunoclement123 haha
@@honkp6065 To be fair, John tried to draw on him. Not shooting him would've been stupid, even by Marion's standards.
6:22 lmao the player actually stumbled
2:40 Joaquin's Joker laugh
2:42: Heath's Joker laugh
😂
People in camp trying to have a personal conversation:
Arthur: Whom'st has summoned the almighty one?
4:36
"BUt liquor"
"Hello" :)
The liquor says hello to the audience
TIMMY J. LMAO
😀👍
Wholesome
@@TJ-ce1lz AHAHAHHA LMAO
6:21 i like how u backed up when u was getting Yelled at by abigail
Three year old comment but I imagine even Kratos would fear the wrath of his wife lol. Hope you are doing well in 2024 sir
shes scary af
She's pretty but she's scary when she yells. Even had me scared, and sadie scares me more than abigail does
@@billybob3086 your a good man billy bob
Lol
2:42 that song sean starts singing is perfectly timed
2:35 ive never heard John laugh. also Bill sounds like a witch villager in minecraft
oh my god me too I never realized John never laughs in the game
6:58
John: Ain't nobody ever gonna take him again. I swear.
When the o'driscolls raid the camp, the first thing John goes for is Jack. He really was sincere about that.
The next people to take him were the government
Edgar Ross:XD
In fact when this happens Abigail immediately hides behind a wall with Jack, but Jack gets up and runs to John who takes him back to Abigail. You can even see Abigail trying to catch him before he goes.
Edgard ross has entered the chat
Nobody
Absolutely nobody
Abigail:pathetic
She’s right you know
Merlodica She’s the pathetic one, she can’t even protect her own child nor can she read
@@钟离-p3b Pretty much no one could read from that time. Those who could were considered highly educated. And what the hell do you expect?! She’s just one woman, how would she be able to protect a child from a gang of men?! It was the MEN that were meant to keep the family safe and protect them.
i like how quickly Abigail realizes that sweeping the grass is useless at 2:02
sallybatzzz your comment made me laugh more than the scene xD made my day xD
It removes the sticks and smoothens the dirt
5:14 Javier’s chuckle
I Love John's character development in this Game, you can't almost not recognize that's the Man Who killed his old Friends and gave his Life for his family
Bill & John: *Laughs*
Abigail: _P A T H E T I C_
Loved that moment
He was drunk
6:21
Finally Abigail recognized that Arthur always sees them talking to each other
It shows that Arthur isn't invisible to human's eye
@@chief5604 yeah he isn't John Cena
@@Arturallylol John cena how about John marston cena
Take a shot everytime Abigail calls John pathetic. 😂
Annabelle EastFly fuck I’ll die of alcohol poisoning
Maddy Fox you’ll be like Karen
Relik Phantom fuck yeah I will
Annabelle EastFly xD
Whoa what happened last night
There's a scene in Clemens Point where Abigail tells a bunch of guy, not even a good crowd, that being a mother sucks and she hates having to take care of a snooty kid. And yet here she is about to rip off Arthur's and John's head when he's gone. Love how they grow as a couple and parents
Arthur at 5:23
*I am just going to stand right there inside your tent, right here, closer, closer, PERFECT* - in Peter Griffin voice
2:01 when Abigail realizes she’s sweeping the dirt.
This actually done with tents without floors. Takes leaves and sticks out. Keeps the tent real nice and cozy
@@warlordpancake2580 It also smooths and packs the dirt down.
WarlordPancake true
Saved By Grace i was like wtf with the animation and laughed hahahahha
Sounds like a legit marriage, they fight every second of their existence but they are still together
Sounds miserable
@Agustin Rossetti well John isn't really a serial killer, just a normal killer, a serial killer kills with no visible motive, john kills for money
@Agustin Rossetti FUCK CAESAR *enters vats*
@@LethalByChoice sometimes its like that
@@truthsouls2003 is it weird that John acted more of a child than Jack before 1907?
5:39 John and Abigail trying to have a romantic moment
Arthur: Helo
It’s me
4:32
John: Life is brutal... brief... and random
but liquor...
*h e l o!*
Seeing John and Bill laughing together made me smile. Then I remember what happens.
John: blinks*
Abigail: THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW
*Pathetic*
3:00 John's laugh always brightens my day
John genuinely doesn't seem to care to even talk to Abigial...
Then he later gives his life for his family...
Guess something did change throughout the years!
The writers
@@harveywallbanger3123 haha funny joke
During my play through I would notice these little moments between John and Abigail but I always left them alone to do their thing, crazy how these little moments could always be missed just by being impatient
5:34
John: I know I ain't acted right to you and the boy
Arthur: Evening to ya🤠
2:50 the way the song enters.... perfection
You can clearly see that she loved him more than anything,it's not a joke,if you read between the lines you would know it,that was her way to demonstrate how much she cared about him,he's was lucky to have her and he knew it,Arthur knew it,and John never could return that much love,he did what he could,can you imagine how he felt when Ross taken them,"he failed her again,and the boy",this is something that makes you understand the name of the game,Arthur's redemption was something,but John's redemption is something more special,damn,this game is so special...
Come on. Dont try and justify her shit. She's just as bad as he is.
@@greatestever184 you wrote this 3 years ago but im just here to say you're dumber than chapter 1-3 john if you still think so
Bah...she not that good
@@ismaelbouissef4436 pretty much the reason John got to live through rdr2 yet not that good?
@@nctsgrass arthur was the reason..
Dont mix things up...
6:23 when she started yelling at Arthur, I was like “Whoa Sis, you need to back up.” 😂
7:33 Micha being all existential in the backround
Imagine if this was real life and Arthur was always just eavesdropping in people’s conversations and standing right in front of them 😂 I doubt anyone would even talk to him
They only keep him around due to his unreal ability to slow down time in gunfight
I like how everyone just got used to Arthur staring and intruding into their lives and just bring him in to their conversations.
Something I really love about how the game portrays John and Abigail's failing marriage reflects a personal philosophy I've come to learn - love is a choice. There's no free 'happily ever after' once a ring is put on a finger and a pastor says some words, that's just when the real work starts. Being in love with your partner is a conscious choice you have to make every morning after you wake up. Maintaining a relationship is not easy, it can be hard and thankless work that you have to really bust your ass at. But if you and your partner both put the time and the effort into it and don't give up on each other then eventually everything will work out, no matter how badly the world goes to shit around you.
After hundreds of hours in chapter 2 across multiple playthroughs I never heard/seen them arguing this much at horseshoe.
Guess I have to start another playthrough then. :D
Same 😂
Love John's reaction at 2:42 😂😂 that laugh went from 100 to 0 in seconds
3:13
We going to ignore sean is singing oh mollie
2:40 The timing were perfect! How John looks to the left when Bill laughs and when the song begins to play from the guitar
Ikr
It's like an end of a tv comedy show episode
6:21
Arthur and John: °_°
Me: ight Imma head out
More like,
*John and Abigail fighting*
Arthur: Ight, time to go rob someone in Saint Denis.
@@erikallen3804 true dat
Idk why Abigail bitching about a boy she was supposed to look after
Mr. I Don't Feel So Good
I’m not sure what she expected, Jack just runs around the camp without her 90% of the time
@@grendel7192 I saw u some where dude
6:21 I'll be honest, when this happened to me, I was genuinely terrified of Abigail in that moment. I still got terrified of her from just the video!
- Hey, Arthur! Want something?
- No, no, go on, just ignore me 5:49
At 5:28 John does an act of bad luck by placing his hat on the bed, A western myth is that if you place your hat on a bed you need to spit in it and kick it out your room to negate the bad luck. I think the tale is that cowboys/outlaws shouldn't live comfortably therefore a bed is an act of comfort and why the hat shouldn't touch the bed.
6:22 I literally felt I was gonna get slapped
I love how john was hatable in chapter 2
I'm a huge fan of John, but he was kinda pathetic at the start of the story 😂
It's a neat arc, he was miserable at the beginning while the gang was still doing okay. In chapter 6, the gang is falling apart while John is starting to get better.
I love since it shows how much he grew up as an adult. In Rdr1 he’s way smarter and more level headed than most of the characters he runs into, whereas here he’s the exact opposite. Makes you feel like he is actually growing up and trying to become a good dad and husband. Really good development right there.
Honestly I hated Abagail a lot more than John lol.
Abigail is justified in her feelings.. like telling John to be a better father.. to be there for his child. And also to be receptive to her needs and desires as well.. because he’s immature and doesn’t want to listen.. he ran off before because he didn’t want to take on the commitment of being a father.. however she’s annoying when she starts critiquing John for what he had to do at mr. Geddys ranch.. because he had to fight and defend himself.
3:56 God dang...nice hit Abigail
Karate slap
Someone's gotta make a 10 hours of John getting slapped xd
I felt that
She's stupid, slapping for stupid reasons. Its toxic.
@@arthurmorgan7642 XD
The silence 7:38 and onwards, then John’s reaction… They’re top notch man… Love this couple
6:11 RAGING ABIGAIL