What the EMPIRE COULD HAVE BOUGHT INSTEAD of the DEATH STAR
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2017
- The Death Star wasn't a great idea. It united the Rebel Alliance and gathered all of the empire's resources into one big fat target. So what should the empire have built instead of the Death Star. We look at the prices of some other cool purchases in this star wars alternative scenario.
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How about not spending a trillion credits and actually having a sustainable budget so that, you know, your Empire actually lasts a thousand years and doesn´t collapse like the USSR.
+Johto id vote for thrawn
you know, come to think of, he'd probably be not horrible, hrm, something to think about.
And the best part is, Palpatine didn't learn a thing from the first death star's destruction. He started building a second, bigger death star immediately after. Such is the self-defeating nature of evil, I guess.
Jiří Seidl But the empire didn’t collapse like the USSR did
Meme Man But the empire wasn’t in decline, it was doing fine. Endor was the rebellion’s last stand and they almost lost. It pretty much completely split apart after the emperor’s death rather than enter a period of decline. And the Soviet Union didn’t enter decline straight away after Stalin’s death nor did it have a massive planet-wide monopoly on production and resource acquisition the way the empire did in the galaxy. The two really are not comparable at all and I don’t think the empire was ever meant to be analogous to the Soviet Union.
Well this is obvious. Instead of the Death Star, Palpatine should have generated good will from the galaxy by buying everyone in the galaxy..... a waffle iron.
I know, I am a genius.
wow....great idea!!!!
Are you John Oliver in disguise?
Thank god. Thought no one got the reference.
"If it IS racist, it's only towards Belgians..."
Palpatine: Execute New Order 66 - Build 6,666 Imperial I Class Destroyers and 6,666,666 Gozanti Class Cruisers.
*Substitute Imperial March with Number of the Beast*
@Braeden Flores the Jedi should've done that
The Empire could have gained reputation by buying everyone ice cream.
or galactic taco tuesdays
+Generation Tech
Just as long as they don't misspell that. I don't think ANYONE wants to be covered in super glue by Will Ferell.
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Empire lawyer in an Empire court with an Empire judge won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
Brian Mead R/ woosh
If they buy food they would seem like the good guys
Hush, Thrawn was a military genius and one of the most capable commanders in the Imperial navy. His opinion in this matter does not count! BUILD THE GIANT DEATH-RAY SPHERES!!!!!
Those giant Death Ray Spheres were still so feared 30 years later that Leia said, desperately, "There's always a way to blow these things up." Because she knew that if there wasn't a way to blow it up, the resistance was finished, as both an idea and an organization. The idea of the Death Star was so scary to the rebels in Rogue One that they were tucking tail and running home when Jyn and her crew of morally gray good guys decided that a blaze of glory was a better way to die. The fact that the Death Star was destroyed so soon after its official unboxing was its actual undoing. Without that one engineer who didn't want it to succeed, the galaxy would have been ruled, quite effectively, through fear. The message of the Death Star was pretty clear. "If you rebel, you die. If you might be a rebel, we torture you until you admit who your friends are. If you're aiding the rebels and we can't prove it, we blow up your planet. Even if you're rich and influential, and a major trade hub. _No one_ is above our law."
Then the rebels said "Fuck you, and your mother too," and got away with it, and no one believed the Empire's bluff anymore. Even when they built another Death Star with several upgrades. And they certainly weren't going to follow the guys building _another_ Death Star, but this time bigger and better. The Empire's reign of terror ended with the Death Star, and the Empire ended with Palpatine, as the power vacuum he left behind destroyed the dictatorship he'd created. But an Empire without its reign of terror is an ineffective empire, and the Death Star was an excellent way to inspire terror. Mere statistical odds tend to bore the impulsive sometimes, and those impulsive people sometimes start rebellions. Rebellions which, in a dictatorship, can become a real threat all too quickly.
Superweapons are always a stupid idea and a waste of resources. The Nazis dabbled in them with their "Wunderwaffe" campaign, and it only helped the allies win. The Empire would have been better off using the resources to better equip and train the Imperial Military, Navy and the Stormtrooper Corps to better crush any signs of rebellion. However, the very basis of Imperial doctrine was generating fear above all, with functionality as a secondary concern, which can be seen in the seriously flawed designs of AT-ATs and Executor class star destroyers. They may look imposing, but were in reality very impractical in real combat. This was what allowed the rebel alliance to win, as they focused on efficiency rather than terror (and had plot armour).
Palpatine just had a giant ball fetish. Pure and simple.
The Atom bomb worked pretty well
For the longest time I've had an idea for an alternate version of Star Wars where one of Sheev's sisters ends up in his place as Plagueis' Sith apprentice.
After flawlessly ousting the Jedi from Coruscant with major popular support following their "attempted coup," annexing the Separatists' Batttle Droid Armies into the Grand Army of the Republic as a result of suing for peace, and basically becoming the most beloved person in the Galaxy, she'd take one look at Tarkin's Doctrine, laugh uproariously, and inform the Moff that by simply taking a tiny fraction of that budget they could turn the Pirates against each other with bounties.
1 trillion credits seems too cheap
1,000,000,000,000 credits? That seems pretty expensive to me, unless if a credit is worth at most 0.0000000001 (one ten BILLIONTH, or 1/10,000,000,000) of a dollar. That would make it worth at most $100 dollars, meaning that a middle-class person can build a 120 km wide planet-killing space station made of durasteel.
+FalloutCultist I did the math, and if one credit is $100 (100 United States dollars) in real life, then the Death Star costed the equivalent of $10,000,000,000 (ten BILLION United States dollars) in real life. That is VERY expensive.
If I told you the cost of a single Gerald R. Ford class supercarrier is already 10.44 billion USD, would you still consider it expensive? That's dirt cheap.
Kilory - STAR WARS Dude, the U.S. is already like 18 trillion dollars in debt. And that's just one nation on puny earth. The fuck is 10 billion to a galactic empire? Obviously this calculation is WAY off.
Agreed.... The deathstar was 100 MILES in diameter and required enough energy to destroy planets AND energy for shielding and... mobility... 1 Trillion is nothing.
ok but when have the empire ever cared about Friendly Fire, Civilian Casualties or Collateral Damage???
I think the word you're looking for is "acceptable Casualties." Did you not read chapter three of a storm troopers field guide?
Nope
Who reads that anyway? All it talks about is how to aim and what Stormtrooper needs that?
i think it is in the part of the field guide that states that all enlisted personnel are expendable, the section that is hidden behind a top secret section that most storm troopers lack the code cylinders to access. curse these high tech field manuals. mine may be defective but it seems like it only has a ten minute capacity to the battery and i cannot quite get to the part that explains how to aim before it looses power again.
The one deleted in RotJ
The guy who pulled the switch on the deathstar has a huge killstreak. Atleast a chopper gunner, maybe dogs.
Tenn Garett. He was the same guy who kept saying ''Standby'' in the Second Death Star, because he didn't want to shoot it.
Joe D. Pooly That was the first Death Star.
Tactical nuke
He probably got all hitmarkers though :/
Best k/d ratio ever
*start heartstrings music*
Hi, I'm Darth Vader, dark lord of the Sith. Over a million loyal imperial troopers and officers tragically lost their lives when my so- the rebellion destroyed the Dea- movable orbital planetary mining platform leaving many children without fathers... and fathers without sons... ahem. With your donation of .10 imperial credits a day, young OB-1 will receive three tubes of nutrient paste a day and schooling to one day takes his fathers place and help bring order and justice to the galaxy.
Think of it, for just tenth of a credit a day, you can make sure Ob-1 and other orphan boys like him get the food and training they need that the rebellion so callously took away.
Now I know what your saying, "Lord Vader, 1/10 of a credit seems insignificant next to the power of a whole credit, surely there's more that can be done!" Well loyal imperial citizen, there is. For 1 credit a day, you can help establish an orphanage on Endor where these youngsters can run and play while learning important skills like how to aim and how to field dress an eWok. Think of it, for just 1 imperial credit a day, you can make the son of a slain imperial troopers life so much better and help teach vital life skills he'll need later in life.
Finally, if you really can help, 5 imperial credits a day can make that orphanage mobile. Think of it, a orphanage that can go from system to system, shining its light down on troubled worlds and letting the people know the emperor hasn't forgotten them.
So what do you say loyal imperial citizen, in these troubled times we can't forget the most needy amongst us, won't you donate today?
TAKE MY MONEY
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY CREDITS!
*Immediately dumps 1 billion credits*
I'm taking an awful risk, here, Vader, this better work.
Broken Eyes This comment is underrated.
Broken Eyes 10 credits per day
This reminds me of Tagge, "How many Super Star Destroyers could have been built instead of wasting them on Tarkin's folly?"
I agree, Tagge asked a similar question to this one: one about what the Empire could have bought instead of the Death Star (aka Tarkin's Folly).
You could've gotten like ten more
I completely agree the Death Star was a waste of resources.
Jason Keovilaysack if you are a megalomaniacal tyrant who already has a giant fleet and wants the galaxy to fear his ability to destroy a world in a single pop then it makes sense tbh. But if you’re a pure military man who just wants an efficient war machine then it doesn’t 🤷♂️
It only reduced their number of fieldable Star Destroyers by 20%. That's not a bad trade for building an invincible planet-killer. Heck, if Reapers showed up and tried to Mass Effect the Galactic Empire, the Death Star would have been indispensable.
ComradeTiki it obviously wasn't invisible
Depends on the mission. First, the trillion credits number seems absurdly low given the 17k that Kenobi offered Han in the first movie. Second, given that this could have funded several patrolcraft for every system in the galaxy, it works wonders. The Empire had no targets for a planet killer except its own subjects. More practically, it could have been spent on education or local police, reducing the desire for rebellion in the first place.
The issue here is that the estimates of the costs of these things are taken from different sources, it's not like one group of people got together to actually flesh out the economics of everything so that it all scaled in relation to each other. The entire idea behind building the Death Star was that a superweapon that could project the Empire's force across the galaxy would be a goal they could reach quicker than having enough ships to secure every system and planet they controlled. They clearly were aware of the concept of simply buying more ships but that was not going to be an immediate solution. As ComradeTiki points out, 6000 ships may sound like a lot but the Empire was fielding something like 25,000 at the time.
The main problem with the Death Star, aside from the fact that nobody told them that the Bad Guys always lose, is that they underestimated their own people and instead of cowering in fear at the destruction of Alderaan they were angered and the number of people joining the rebellion only grew.
I loved when you did the fried chicken and the stormtrooper baby things.
+Woowolf woohoo thanks
It would be better to spend it on their amour or give them more shooting lessons!
or just improve the helmets... (seriously, how are you supposed to see out of those damnable things!)
It bothers me that people always give Stormtroopers crap about their aim. Someone once caluculated the number of times they shot in the films vs number of hits, and figured they had a 13% accuracy rate. For troops i real combat that is amazing. Seriously how many shots vs hits do you see in a typical war film? Plus they were mostly shooting at people that were wearing their plot armor, and on the Death Star they were ordered to let them escape, so they wouldn't be shooting their best.
I'm aware of each of these points. I'm just stating that a helmet of that design really limits how much of a battlefield any trooper can see, and that can be quite disastrous for any firefight, even if you are being ordered to essentially miss on purpose.
hayden barnes Their helmets have an integrated HUD display that enhances the wearer's vision, aids in targeting, and allows the wearer to see in low-light or smoky environments.
The reason why most people (the protagonists) can't see out of stormtrooper helmets is because they lock these visual-enhancement features to unregistered users.
Ah. Makes sense. Should probably invest into some Legends material. Good job, Stormtrooper core! (Did I really just say that?... Yes, yes I did.)
My sympathy for the several of million Stormtroopers who lose their life.
Less than 2 Million actually.
during the entire war? are you sure?
For the Death Star since the video was about it and that was what your comment related to.
The Galactic Civil War cost the lives of far more than several million Stormtroopers, not to mention it mustve been in the trillions for 21 years of conflict.
Mackenzie Braden
Not trillions, im guessing you don't even understand how many people that is... At maximum it would be a couple billion maybe not even so as the rebellion never could directly fight the empire so never truly cost them huge casualty's as they simple couldn't sustain such loses from a small organization.
ZENE0 n' Stuf Alderaan alone would be 3 Billion. The Trillion at the least could come from any number of losses: slaves, battles of other rebel cells, also the numerous amounts killed in space conflicts, also there is a 15 year gap after the Battle of Endor where the Rebels were reformed into the New Republic meaning more resources and manpower. At the very least a Trillion were killed in 21 years of conflict.
Another thing they could have done is put some of the money towards heavy weapons/space ships and fortifications/defense some land/water transport and used the rest to better equip the storm troopers or simpler yet, even though the Empire is evil and all that, they could have just used it to increase the standard of living, giving the Rebels less motive and on top of that the Empire's reputation would greatly increase
the rebellion is the bad guys
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Imperial lawyer won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
or they could have just equipped all their capital ships with redundant shields/ point defense and it was all over for the rebellion too. Or gone with the tie defender program and equiped their entire fleet with tie defenders instead of tie fighters.
*Imagines storm troopers going to war with chicken buckets as weapons*
ChillyPickle Gaming war suddenly end within 1 minute without casuality of both side due all of them too busy enjoy chicken buckets
Then a rebel steals a stormtrooper's sauce packet.
War starts back up.
A force to be reckoned with
Imagines storm troopers going to war with chicken buckets as... helmets.
The Death Star was built as a preventative measure against the alien enemy's from another galaxy, our rebels accidentally destroyed the only hope against their invasion...
Makes no sense.
Away from Canon. So no
They could have destroyed the invasion in practically one shot. They had one big life ship.
Rick Buttman Actually, before Disney shit on the EU it was canon. So says the Lord Lucas
lol I thought I posted this comment
What against Tyranids?
Or, they could've spent all those credits on new weapon research and armor research improving their ground army's weaponry and armory exponentially.
problem is:
That equipement would need at the very least a huge amount of supplying and maintenance.
ajs1031 Garrisons? Yep.
they needed a way for rebels to win so death star is the solution
Okay, I'm tired of people getting this wrong. Stormtrooper's aim and armor doesn't suck.
In our day, the best bullet proof armor can prevent a bullet from entering someone's body, but they usually get knocked unconscious.
Stormtrooper armor can prevent a laser from entering a stormtrooper's body, but they usually get knocked unconscious.
Rebel armor doesn't do much, they die a little bit more than they do just get knocked unconscious.
The average accuracy of a highly trained US soldier in combat scenarios is 17%. 20% is considered impressive.
The average accuracy of a highly trained Imperial Stormtrooper in combat scenarios is 27%.
Still think you're right?
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Imperial lawyer won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
1 like = 1 parent for all the orphan stormtroopers
Tony 10151 3 of em were saved
We need more parents dammit
206 trooper babies were saved
in 3 years, 337 parents for about a million imperial personnel
Fuck the orphans. Little pricks.
technically for the cost the death star we also could have just bought a few dozen or so more practical super weapons....like more super turbo lasers for eclipse class star destroyers. Or just bought a SSD for every Sector. Then given them super turbo lasers. Seriously, Palpatine was a moron for not supporting the eclipse project more heavily and literally building a small flotilla of ships each able to one-shot any other ship in the galaxy and likely wipe any non-planetwide population center off the face of a world in a single blast.
SovekOnivris Yeah, the eclipse could rock up, defile a planet, and then leave it as a permanent reminder to any who remain alive on the planet and anyone else watching just what the empire is capable of. It’s perhaps a bit more sick then a Death Star . Like torturing/defiling someone but keeping them just alive and putting them on display in the town square vs just executing them.
I think Palpatine at that time was just tripping on power. He was bored.
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Imperial lawyer won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
Brian Mead Cradle to grave welfare nation's have a tendency to implode under their own financial requirements to their people or inevitably enslave their populations to provide the welfare demanded by the system.
30% decrease! Than what was the decrease for the 2nd Death Star?
More like a 1 to a 0.1
That was about a -100% decrease for the Empire.
Well they lost their second super weapon, along with two of their supreme leaders and the military kinda disbanded with its leaders becoming warlords. I dunno, big?
The Emperor could've easily given aliens full Imperial citizenship and wrecked the rebel terrorists
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Empire lawyer in an Empire court with an Empire judge won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
sounds like comunnism
If I recall correctly, the material cost for the first Death Star is equivalent to about 20-30 million Star Destroyers or a few hundred thousand Executor-class Super Star Destroyers, based on the volume. But according to A New Hope, the Imperial Stafleet was already incredibly massive and powerful, having almost twice the firepower of the first Death Star, indicating that the Starfleet had far more than the official number of 25.000 Star Destroyers.
@onlypeaceindeath
You DO realize that the Empire is MORE than just Star Destroyers when it comes to what they consider 'capital ships,' right? That discrepancy could very easily be made up by millions to hundreds of thousands of OTHER capital ships, right?
A largest Army
With the stormtroopers aim i think the best case would be to give them roket launchers
I think best case scenario it’s best not to listen to Benito Mussolini
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death sticks?
choco 15 you're not going to sell me death sticks.
you're going to go home and rethink your life.
Your the boss
_You're going to sell me some death sticks well under the market price._
Sorry, death stick machine broke.
Imagine how many death sticks they could have bought....
you want to go home and rethink your life
how about Advance Tie Fighter? that could help there pilots n navy.
If you have a trillion credits left over, than your starfighters don't have to be like cardboard fighters.
They could have built around 3.3 million Tie Defenders, probably substantially more, considering that building so many would likely allow them to make production much cheaper, as the price is for the prototype design. (It is odd that a Corvette costs half as much as even such an expensive Starfighter. In fact, the Corvette costs only 2.5 times as much as their usual TIE Fighters, which is pretty absurd. Star Wars economics is nonsensical, at best.)
@dawn fajardo problem
The advanced tie fighter darth vader had was a prototype
Therefore it likely wouldn't work for standard imperial pilots
resources can be salvaged from the derelicts of the deathstars. crew, money and manhours cannot.
Umm what we can see from the explosion, the material of the said battle station went in all the directions, with speed of ridiculously fast and would have been next to impossible to collect. Amount of fuel alone spent on this operation would have been just waste of time, when there is enough raw material to collect from different star systems. Something like cyber crystals would have been sure extremely valuable and maybe worth it, but even that is questionable in this case.
Fan theory: what would have happened if Luke missed his shot on the first Death Star?
Anthony Ansuini then the crew will push the self destruct button by accident because rhey are laughing them balls out of them pants
RIP Yavin 4
Luke would escape in hyper space and eventually meet yoda so he could still be trained and create a new jedi order, the rebellion would recover after some time and eventually take down the empire because half the population (at least) hates it anyway, it would just take longer
Starwars infinities
Fox Mulder
No, any rebellion would be quickly crushed. After the instant loss of the biggest attempt at at resistance moral for such things would be far less. The most the galaxy could do would get small rebellions. The senators and their influence was what allowed the rebbelion to be made, after seeing your only hope completely obliterated wouldny inspire you to run blindly into the fire attempting to do anything. that's how most conflicts would quickly end. tiny resistance instantly crushed.
What the empire should have done with that money is buy exactly 99009900990.1 people in the galaxy a box of Eggo Waffles, and make the galaxy great again.
I promise to give 99009900990.1 people and aliens, don't worry I'm not speciest, a box of eggo waffles. -Sheev Palpitine in his campaign for galactic president in 1977.
But how many *Super star Destroyer* could have bought instead?
That question was even brought up in Star Wars. More specifically, in the Canon comic Darth Vader 2: Vader, Part II, Cassio Tagge, an Imperial general who survived the Battle of Yavin and became a Grand General stated "I look at the state of the Empire and think, how many Super Star Destroyers could we have made with the resources we threw into Tarkin's folly?". "Tarkin's folly" refers to the Death Star.
Just an FYI, a new updated version of that everything you need to know book, is coming out on Oct 3rd, and in fact the link points to the pre-order for the new version
I thought the Death Star wasn't bought... I thought the resources where just taken by the planets by not paying them...
Also most of these cost numbers makes no sense. The Death Star must have had a price tag greater than 6000 Star Destroyers. The research alone must have cost a fortune.
Not when you have slaves lol
Slaves has nothing to do with the research. There is also an upkeep on slaves and droids.
onlypeaceindeath It is when you don't have to pay the research team more than they need to survive. That cost and the upkeep on slaves and droids is the only thing the Empire needs to pay, hence the low price.
Also, numbers in Star Wars guide books are just made up to look impressive, there's no need to over analyse them.
It's a little more to research than food. Even if they don't pay the scientists, there are a lot more things that costs money.
Well, the deathstar is 100 miles in diameter... soooo way more then 6,000 haha... and they would need enough energy to power a weapon that could destroy an entire planet(why not just destroy the crust?).
The time has come...... execute order 6,666,666
I think they *should* have done was put about 10% of the funding into new star destroyers, due to how they themselves are incredibly powerful but even if enemies to muster the power and forces to defeat one, they have thousands more still. Then another 15-25% should go to victory class destroyers, as I think they are very versatile and would be highly effective in going to the unknown regions to explore and expand. Then put the rest into improving the quality of things they already have, a large portion could be used to mass produce shielded tie fighters, and further training for stormtroopers or other military forces.
lol fried chicken i say thats the best bet 🐔🍗
+General grievous and most delivious
+Generation Tech totally delicious
With fried chicken Finn wouldn't have deserted and joined the enemy..
so they could build more than 666 star destroyers. hmmm
i assume at least one person will understand the joke
medievalGamer Gamer it was fucking weird that that 666 in repeating order kept showing up lol
empire=future illumintati *mindblown*
lol
The only part of the Death Star that was really advanced though was the weapon, which was a groundbreaking innovation. The rest of it was old tech repurposed. Hell, the Geonosians started the construction of the outer shell of DS1. Even the hyperdrive was basic, just scaled up. That simplicity saves a LOT of money.
A top of the line ISD was significantly more technologically advanced. And it's those advances that cost money, because R&D is expensive as hell.
Say you invent a new weapons guidance system for an ISD. You have to fund research, testing, manufacture, field testing, mass production, retrofitting older ships (which may neccessitate an overhaul of their computer systems to handle the new weapos guidance programs), and altering the plans for new ships, which is also very expensive, especially of you have a contract with someone to produce the part you have just replaced, so you have to pay a hefty penalty to cancel the contract. You then have to train old and new crew in how to use the new system.
The fact that only the weapons system was new on the Death Atar dramatically undercuts most of those costs.
No one saw Stormtroopers laughing or celebrating when Alderaan was blown up.
very true
Maybe because blowing up a planet full of innocent civilians who were at least complacent in the Empire is NOT the same as blowing up a weapon that is only usage is terror and mass destruction?
Jyn=Schwartzenegger confirmed!
+TyrStark hehe yup
Or better yet they could provide all troupers with madalorian jet packs and rocket launchers or even relaunch the cloning
They didn't stop producing clones cause of the cost, Palpatine stopped the cloning cause he saw how easily the jedi became instinct cause of one order of the clones. He was afraid it could have happened to him too if he kept using them after he became emperor.
RetroCh1cken Wasn't that offset by the contingency orders chips? Sure a few clones removed them but the numbers of them doing that are what- five or six to a million?
But DNA can go rotten!
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Empire lawyer in an Empire court with an Empire judge won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
For a second, I thought you were crossing the streams and said "Andorian" fried chicken...
Had the Empire not expended cost on the Tarkin/Krennic Death Star, the Empire would have fielded far more Star Destroyers than the original 25k in service of the Imperial Navy. If pragmatic masterminds like Thrawn were involved in a grand strategy to redesign the Imperial military, the Empire would increase production on smaller ships to patrol areas where an Imperial-Class ISD isn't needed. Smaller ships like a Vindicator-Class, along with upgraded Victory and Venator ISDs, would have been produced in higher numbers.
Also, the Empire would have also taken the time to improve the quality of their fightercraft. This means finally replacing the original TIEs with TIE Interceptors with shields as the primary fightercraft of the Imperial Starfighter Corps while TIE Defenders and Avengers to the most elite of fighter squadrons. Recycling the original TIE body to the Imperial Army for more TIE crawlers and Century tanks would be a very pragmatic and efficient use of resources. The Army, in addition to more TIE style tanks, they would have received more walkers, and acquire better equipment (and even a variant of the Stormtrooper armor) for their front line units. The same goes to the Stormtrooper Corps: better armor and equipment such as improved personal deflector shields and life support systems. Elite stormtrooper special force units would have advanced versions of the stormtrooper armor with specialized equipment for their area of expertise, much like the old Clone Commando units of the Old Republic.
I think had the Empire actually began paying more for quality and efficiency while putting very competent commanders to supervise this massive upgrading (and training/investing potential officers and soldiers), the Rebellion would have ended very quickly.
+Mike Aponte very good points I think in the end the same issues that ironically brought down the republic brought down the empire as well
Generation Tech Which is a very likely possibility, too. The problems the Old Republic's government were mired with endless bureaucracy and corruption, and that's not even counting Palpatine's plans and machinations during the Clone Wars.
As much as my more pragmatic view of "what if" the Empire didn't expend on the Death Star sounds nice, the problem is the fact the Empire isn't pragmatic at all. System Moffs and various directors would be jockeying for a blank check on whatever projects they want. You have ambitious men like Krennic or Grand Admirals Pitta or Batch vying for black projects, like some obscure (and too specialized) fightercraft to an extensively modified Executor Class Super Dreadnought.
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Empire lawyer in an Empire court with an Empire judge won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial accident, the Empire paid everyone's workman's comp and medical bills and even did rehabilition and job training for those of us who could never hold a mining laser again, the Empire's interstellar transport company made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
If we know how many credits it cost couldn't you use you conversion system that you figured out in the recent videos to figure the real cost in dollars?
+TheClassyFruit yea true but I wanted to see how much Star Wars equipment could be bought so I don't convert
I see, out of curiosity, did you figure it out already? do you plan to?
James Braselton US defense budget is $600 billion. We could've had a Death Star in 4 years. The White House lied
Build the Death Star!
How about we build a wall, THEN a deathstar so mexicans don't blow it up.
If i was the guy in charge of budgeting the empire i would have routed the money for palpatines disco ball into refitting the tie fighter fleet into a tie defender fleet galaxy wide.
Just like Hitler's obsession on superweapons such as V-2s Gustav cannon and me-262s
1:47
Gary never sees his daughter because of people like you!""
The total recall scene was a nice touch. Subscribed
You sound like a younger General Zod
Lol wait what in knights of the old republic I have enough credits to buy an imperial star destroyer. Would of Been better than those useless shit I don't need
"In a battle fought with only rocket launchers, no one wins"
Words to live by
My nigga Allan looks like a fallout 4 character
I heard him laugh when he said 6,666,666. - 4:27
With all that money they could invest in megastructure engineering. I'd love to see the empire build Dyson spheres, Ringworlds, and even even shellworlds.
Imagine that missle spam XD
"The point is to never put your eggs into one basket"
No
The point is - ALWAYS listen to Thrawn
Awesome Vid dude! Really love the price comparison series!
+Abraham Lincoln thanks!
That last point was really smart. The Empire could have used both fear and public assistance to keep people under their control. Some will love you, some will do both simultaneously. Unlimited power!!!!
Awesome Video!!!
Look at the Battle of Stalingrad in WW2 where the German Army used a rail gun which required an entire battalion to operate.
Experts have said that gun probably won the battle for the Russians as those German troops could have been used better in direct combat.
1:11 *_THAT'S NUTS._*
Even in the new canon, the Death Star as a folly is brought up. General Tagge left the Death Star before it was destroyed and wonders later "how many super star destroyers could we have built for the cost of Tarkin's folly". Of course it does not stop the Empire from ignoring that and building a new battle station.
Might I suggest say a dozen or so Eclipse class dreadnaughts? Each of those rivalling the Executer but with a neat superlaser in the prow. Anything a death star can do the Eclipse can do for a fraction of the cost.
I did some math based on this video and Film Theory's video on Scrooge Mc Duck, Scrooge Mc Duck could have bought 2,826,586 Imperial class star destroyers.
That's a fleet bigger than the Imperial fleet. A Scottish trillionaire duck can certainly give the Empire a run for their MONEY.
LOL
I created alternative designs for this with a Naval Academy friend which would have been far cheaper it was a set of rings with a inner core which houses the main reactors and enough firepower and shields to assure destroying it was almost impossible with the idea it would have a permanent fleet attached to it. It would be just good enough to move and faster and fire the main weapon and protect itself from attacks and demand a fifth the manpower and we guessed 40% the resources including a decent force of star destroyers as an escort. And it would have been as a task force far more flexible. Just gut it of the massive support system and keep it simple and it would have be a lot better in the long run for the Empire. But I would have pumped half of that money to cheap health care, job training programs and created a small business loan program for citizens of the Empire on lower populated world and say its a gift from the Emperor as long as a world is peaceful and not aligned with the rebels talk about good PR to no join the enemy and side with them?
One thing worth noting, is that a Death Star was (in theory if not in practice) impervious to attack from any number of smaller vessels. If you are a tyrant concerned that his military may attempt to conduct a coup to replace you, it is much easier to keep the crew of a single unstoppable battle-station loyal then the crews of thousands of conventional warships.
Also, the numbers for the Death Stars cost seem a little strange to me. The total mass of the Death Star is comparable to millions of Stardestroyers, so it seems strange the you can only get a few thousand for the same price.
So many sixes in this video.
It was well made, cheers!
Maybe you could've made comparision of how many TIE Fighters could've been obtained?
1:43 IM COMING HOME SON!!! 😭
the feels are strong
Iiked and shared xD
The Death Star might have been more effective if they had and emergency ray shield over the exhaust port. You know just in case someing might happen, in the off chance.
I'm probably not saying anything you guys don't already know but I have to say you are at your best when you're throwing in jokes every ten seconds. It makes your continent much more entertaining and engaging than a lot of similar channels. All of which is to say thank you for all your hard work and I look forward to more as a new subscriber.
How many executors could they buy
Lucas inMichigan 660 maybe?
poor storm trooper babies. this is why i am on the side of the empirer
sean duffy at least the emperor was a man with a plan. The rebels were a dog chasing a car
They held courescant for like two years before losing it again to the vong
Well do you know how many babies were killed on Alderaan?
"What could you do with the weapons and materiel, with the sheer number of credits that are going into Stardust? The TIE Defenders, certainly but how many other vital projects have been scrapped to feed Krennic’s insatiable appetite?"
"I steal from Stardust so that not everything Krennic has poured money into goes up in smoke and flame or scrap metal. I want something from Stardust to end up being useful to the navy."
―Grand Admiral Savit
(Thrawn Treason)
Man, your channel grew fast
Just Improve all the tie fighters!
0:19 Palpatine is triggerd
Put some padding on the walls in your recording space, heavy blankets, foam, something to reduce that heavy slapback off the walls, doesn't have to be expensive to sounds better
Rest In Peace, Jek Porkins
Kinda reminds me of the 1922 Washington Naval treaty. The Japanese were spending over 60% of their budget on the Imperial Navy ALONE! Arms reduction talks are usually held to save the international economy, not reduce the number of weapons systems.
+Mikhailia Gacesa yea war is terrible for business why shoot your enemy when you can sell them stuff
TY for the comeback ;-)
Or you know,you can not bother to fight while you can just sell all sides weapons.
I gave this a like, but only because of the CHICKEN NUGGETS! YEEEHAWWWW!
I love to think that Stormtroopers are their own species. Also that their most notable trait as a species is their terrible aim.
Volume wise, the death star would account for at least 400 000 ISDs. VSDs were actually about five and a half times smaller than ISDs by volume.
so you're gonna contiue the money related episodes?
+yarno we're going to take a break after this one
Generation Tech ah okay, thanks :D
Not today Satan
Learning all this, I didn't know the galaxy of Star Wars was this small.
Palpatine's face when Thrawn was explaining is priceless XD
Is anyone else wondering what the “t word” is
Allen could have had said that word.
Lol Death Star = full potato
The Arquitens-class light cruiser has a price of 4 million credits, so they could have gotten 250,000 of those ships in exchange for the Death Star.
As for one of my favorites, the upgraded child of the Arquitens light cruiser, the Arquitens command cruiser, which costed 5 million credits, the Empire could have bought 200,000 of them.
Very interesting. I was kinda hoping to hear either how many TIE Fighters could've been bought, or how many more fully equipped and trained Stormtroopers they could've gotten.
Notification squad
Get me notification squad .
Get the reference?
what about the tie fighters?
Arctic WolveZ I guess that makes sense but they have too many Tie Fighters, the only thing they need to make is Tie Fighters with deflector shields not Tie fighters without deflector shield
Or have more improved capital ships
Ender Drone yeah
I assume you are talking about TIE Defenders, which cost five times as much, but are way, way, way, more useful that their usual trash. (They could have built 3.3 million TIE Defenders, or around 16.7 million flying deathtraps, err, TIE/LNs, which is the standard variant. That does mean that their Corvettes are absurdly cheap, as well as being quite useful, so why they didn't make more is beyond me.)
you are right or they could make more tie interceptors and/or tie bombers
This doomsday weapon is worth 867,056,923 college educations.
Thank you so much, lol. It's been years since I heard that storm trooper bounce off a tree like a squeak toy.
Haha!!And THE NEW ORDER built an even BIGGER and more stupid version of The Death Star in The Force Awakens,haha!!If any of these numbers are true,just fucking loaded are these solar systems,huh??Maybe I could get a loan of 200,000 credits for my student loans and credit card bills,huh??
How about spending those credits on welfare, education, infrastructure, public works, sporting events, entertainment industry, propaganda, transporation, nationalized industry, business incentives, social safety net, job hirings, scientific research, medical care, and law enforcement?
Imagine an Empire run competently in such a way that nobody really cares if its evil or not since they're all just happy to live comfortably in a state that takes care of them cradle to grave.
Citizen 1: Hey, you heard about the Rebels?
Citizen 2: Fuck those guys. The Empire put my kids through college for free, the Empire pays my salary, the Empire took care of my aunt's scoliosis when we didn't have money to pay, an Imperial lawye won my workers' rights violation lawsuit after I was injured in an industrial exercise, the Empire's interstellar transport monopoly made it affordable for my family to go on vacation to Dantooine, the Empire has cut crime to a quarter of what it used to be, the Empire's medical labs invented implants that let my blind friend see for the first time in her life, and they even busted a Rebel cell that was planning on bombing the Clone Wars Victory Day parade -- the Rebels claim they're fighting for us, but all they do is kill us -- what do they have against the Empire that gives us such great lives and takes care of us in a way that the Republic just never did? Long live the Empire!
Citizen 1: Damn right.
In my opinion Alan’s generation tech vids are superior for some reason XD
If sidious used the money to help the galaxy instead of trying to put more fear into it people most likely wouldnt rebel