Why the Imperial Navy and Army HATE Each Other
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2022
- Inter-service rivalries are quite common in most military forces, we take a look at the ideological and strategic differences between the Imperial Army and the Imperial Navy.
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This was very similar to the Imperial Japanese. The Imperial Japanese army and navy hated each other. The army believed that the Navy's only job was to transport the army to where they needed to go. Both tried to win the emperor's favor. The Japanese navy tended to have more of the aristocrats and richer recruits as well.
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It’s nice to see you commenting on Star Wars Patrick
IJA Lost a lot of favor when they lost agains Soviets and then Japana focus more on Navy.
First thing i was about to comment
I guess this is one thing that Palpatine does not even needed to mess with at all because such rivalry always existed before he came along.
Imagine my shock going back through the Clone Wars series to see Clone Troopers operating as Naval staff in the Republic Grey Naval uniform and recognize how differently they behaved than their infantry brothers.
I disagree, I think he much exacerbated those rivalries to prevent others from securing a critical number of keys to power to challenge him.
Fascism doesn't just lead to brutal infighting, it demands it.
And Palpatine would have encouraged it. It is the way of the Sith that the Strongest survive and the weak perish. He knew well how to manipulate the weak. And even published ways how to manipulate weak people in his Dark Side Compendium. But it was part of this infighting Palpatine encouraged in the Imperial Military that encouraged the Rebellion to establish a very formalized and united military command structure. In a way, the Rebellion's victory was being what the Empire wasn't.
@@roboflex3162 I don't think that infighting is necessarily an integral part of fascism, I don't think that Benito Mussolini's fascist Italy had near the same amount of infighting as Nazi Germany did. But then again, I'm not nearly as well read on the nature of fascist Italy under Mussolini as I am with Nazi Germany under Hitler. But Hitler certainly did foster and nurture the internal rivaly within the Third Reich at the expense of a much more efficient and probably effective Germany. But his purpose for all of that internal rivalry was to keep all of his lieutenants too busy squabbling with each other and trying to build and protect their own little fiefdoms so that they would be too busy doing that and wouldn't have the time or energy to plot to overthrow him. The same was probably the same in Star Wars with the Emperor, keeping his lieutenants busy squabbling with each other, not that he really needed it given that he had Force powers.
@Viktor' vonthe Rhaefnhyrst, I the galactic empire is fascist tho, are you stupid?
I didn't realize that the Stromtroopers were part of the Imperial Army. I always figured they were part of the Imperial Navy. I always saw them as the Star Wars equivalent of Marines. The landing force of the Navy. Also because they are mainly stationed on Star Destroyers.
It’s confusing, they were their own military branch, as a example they weren’t neither luftwaffe nor whermatch, they were ss but in the Disney canon the things are weird so I just ignore it figure out the things still working like they used to
I always saw them as a "marines" force as well, or at least a close analogy in form and function, and not an Imperial Army detachment. (I suppose this could also vary by period, i.e., army in the Republic period and marines in the Empire.) Is there anything in the extended canon/lore/whatever sources which list the Stormtrooper corps as being a division of the Imperial Army?
@@GAJake The Marines are not techincally part of the Navy, we're an independent branch of service within the Department of the Navv. This means that the Commandant of the Marine Corps and the Chief of Naval Operations are on the same level as each other and both report to the Secretary of the Navy.
@@elpinguinovolador4114 The Luftwaffe was part of the Wehrmacht, as was the Kriegsmarine (Navy), & the Heer (Army). Despite popular belief, the Wehrmacht was not the name for the German Army during WWII, the Army was simply called the Heer and today it's the Bundsheer. What the Wehrmacht was was the name for the combined armed forces, excluding the Waffen SS, of Germany during WWII. This becomes clear when you do in depth reading into the German military operations during WWII, you'll see mentions of Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW) and Oberkommando der Heer (OKH) which were the high commands for the military as a whole and the high command for the Army itself. Often times there will be mention about competition between OKW and OKH with the OKH largely supllantinng the roll of the OKW by war's end.
@Jakob Smith , my thoughts exactly! I just didn't know if there was a reference to their being part if the IA, since GenTech was so set on the Stormtroopers being part of the IA.
One other quote from Admiral Yamamoto was "In the first six to twelve moths of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then if the war continues after that, I have no expectations of success." Six months after Peral Harbor the Japanese attacked Midway.
And he was right.
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They were banking hard that the US would move to defend one of the islands off Alaska instead. Since that didn't happen, the Japanese claimed some minor US territory thanks to their diversion attack, but lost big against Midway.
@@Uzarranthey hoped that the Attack on Pearl Harbor would take the U.S. Pacific Fleet out of action for six months so they could consolidate their conquered territories and force America to the negotiating table.
Generation Tech: “why the imperial Army and Navy HATE each other”
That one Japanese viewer: “I’ve seen this one before!”
British viewer - hold my beer!
This kind of reminds me of a story I recently read about how the Imperial Japanese Navy and Army during WW2 hated each other. I wonder if SW EU writers were using that as an inspiration in their writing.
Every army and navy kinda hate each other. The IJA and IJN hated and wanted to kill each other often more than the foreign enemies of the Emperor.
Pretty sure thats common with most counties army/navy.
@@acorgiwithacrown467 yeah, but japan took it to the extremes. Imperial Army Officers were known to arrange assassination attempts on Imperial Navy Officers and vise-versa. Hell, one of the main reasons that Admiral Yamamoto was put in charge of the combined fleet was to protect him from the army.
@@acorgiwithacrown467 Imperial Japanese infighting makes the galactic empire's looks like child's play.
@@acorgiwithacrown467 As the others have said it was way more than just the usual interservice rivalry with the Imperial Japanese, it was actual hatred. It was tied in some respects to Japan's feudal samurai past. The army officer class was dominated men from the Chōshū Domain and the navy officer class from the Satsuma Domain, and the two were historical enemies.
Interservice rivalry will also make a coup, mutiny or defection a lot harder, both in fiction and real life. That charismatic captain might be able to convince his crew to defect to the rebellion but the stormtrooper stationed aboard his ship probably have other views. And that Imperial Army general may be able to convert that planet into his personal domain, but without navy support, if will become his prison.
Good point
Yeah, there's a reason the beginning of the voyage in _The Hunt for Red October_ sees the captain call the political officer into his cabin for a toast and then murder him.
And as a matter of fact, a GRU agent hidden in the crew very nearly sunk the submarine with everyone important on it near the end.
@@sethb3090I’m sure the US has their equivalent of a emplaced GRU agent on any SSBN vessel
The Attempted Assassination of Hitler in Operation Walküre had only 2 Kriegsmarine members for that reason. The Navy saw itself responsible for the surrender of WW1 and vowed to not let that happen again (fight to the last shell). This is why the Wehrmacht Members didn’t trust the navy
This is basically Japanese Empire inter-service rivalry lol.
IJN: 'MORE STEEL FOR SHIPS'
IJA: 'MORE STEEL FOR TANKS'
Their respective air forces: ‘MORE ALUMINUM FOR PLANES’
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Not enough rubber or oil for anyone
I enjoy the real life connections to the star wars universe. It's very informative and entertaining.
That's the great thing about history in fiction. Using some of it from multiple sources gives your world a unique yet believable feel.
@@chrisdaily2077 sometimes it’s bad though cause nowadays it breeds people who take fictional franchises too seriously.
@@gabrieltejada1697 then just ignore the mentally insane people who take fiction too seriously
That’s why I like it, because it seems more grounded than other sources of sci fi
At the end of the day, you're not going to win a war if you can't put boots on the ground. Palpatine put all his eggs on escalating aggression with orbital bombardments and planetary-killing WMDs. But you can't hold ANYTHING if you don't have boots on the ground. Never underestimate the importance of Infantry.
That's probably why China is hesitant to do anything in regards to Taiwan for the time being, especially after seeing Russia effing it up so badly in Ukraine with their botched invasion.
The distance of water between China and Taiwan isn't very large but it might as well be given the notorious difficulty of amphibious landings and the sheer logistics involved with moving the required equipment and boots on the ground needed to hold territory (outside of reducing Taiwan to smoking embers thanks to overwhelming missile bombardment but China would be foolish to want to rule over mere ashes). China is trying to build up its naval fleet and investing in amphibious ships and vehicles as a result.
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Also the United States and Japan, both of whom will fight the Chinese, have atleast 100 years experience in naval warfare and the fact that TMSC superconductors are 95 percent manufactured in Taiwan
Us infantry are the backbone of the military
@@genghiskhan5701 the Japanese navy is a joke and usa has barely any concentration of troops east china sea is practically under china's domain and tbh china doesn't need to do anything it has won big time in the last couple of decades and usa is a dumpsterfire incapable of even securing its symbols of power
Man, some real Imperial Japanese vibes in this video
Edit: Hadn't even watched this video yet, and it's been brought up
The real question is whether there were high up officers who purposefully slept through the other branches briefings
Naval Historian and UA-camr "Drachinifel" has several segments of the rivalry between the Imperial Japanese Army and the Imperial Navy. The IJA even had it's own naval forces because the IJN had other ideas about supporting operations. Sometimes the inter-service rivalry fighting between the IJA and IJA took precedence over fighting the US.
@@tonyjanney1654 another good video about this rivalry was made by the UA-camr called “The Front”
it’s like this in most real life countries; maybe not hatred, but a rivalry. In the UK there is a big rivalry between our two elite infantry units, Royal Marines (Navy) and Paras (Army).
It’s definitely more of a friendly rivalry, especially since the Marines and Paras tend to be deployed and fight together very often.
And it’s not uncommon to find a Para who’s actually completed the Marine commando training course and earned the green beret, or to find a marine who’s completed the Para course and earned the “wings”. Plus even other british military units in all branches can choose to complete the Marines or Para training courses.
I was always under the impression that the Royal Marines were part of the British Army.
@@davidcraft4636 The Royal Marines have their origin as naval infantry aboard Royal Navy ships, tasked with defending and leading boarding actions. As such, they are part of the RN, and it is not uncommon for Royal Navy ships even now to have a detachment of Marines for if they need something captured.
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Simple. One is the Navy and the other is the Army. Aged old rivalry.
Even in real life we have similar rivalry that even lead to several assassination attempts. I'm talking about the Imperial Japanese Army vs the Imperial Japanese Navy.
Or how both sabotaged japanese war effort just to screw over the other branch.
Also, not quite to the same level, but what about the WW2 Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine? That was a legendary rivalry, with both of them trying to suck up to Hitler to get resources - a power struggle that the Luftwaffe pretty much won after the Bismarck was sunk, and the bad-tempered painter threw a tantrum and basically all but ignored requests from the Kriegsmarine for the rest of the war. Which was ironic, as the British government viewed the Kriegsmarine's U-boat fleet as the only thing that seriously had the potential to knock Britain out of the war at the time.
In the Imperial Army being recruited from the working class and outer rim is one of the reasons why the empire fell
With Palpatine gone and operation cinder, I'm quite sure a lot of the Imperial Army reassessed their loyalty
Yeah. „Destroy the homes of the people making up most of my rank and file“ isn’t such a good plan
I love the perspective you put on rivalry, but what about joint operations? Just like in the real world we live on with coordinated Forces elements (ie: AirForce+Army or Navy+Marines) we saw similarity in ESB during the battle of Hoth. It is Vader's fleet invading with newly appointed Admiral Piett but its ground troop lead commander was General Veers in his green army fatigues, not an admiral or a Navy superseding the Snowtroopers. Once the Shields generators were destroyed, Veers passed on command to Vader for the next military target within Echo base itself. Would be cool to see more joint ops from the Empire and how successful or unsuccessful this has been.
ISB, not ESB
@@appleskum6520 ESB stands for Empire Strikes Back, Episode V.
@@rick_271 you are right, have a pleasant day
@@appleskum6520 this is probably the kindest thing i've ever seen in youtube comments
I really enjoy this channel. It's helped me through rough times this year. My dad got me into Star Wars on Christmas in 1991, as soon as my mom let him show me... but now this is my 3rd Christmas alone since losing my dad in Fall 2020. Don't worry tho. I've healed a lot and its been much more manageable this year. Thanks for all the content! Truly.
best wishes man, glad to see you're getting better.
Even with all the real world inter service rivalry we all have to be nice to the step kid, the Coast Guard. After all, recruiting got bad enough that they had to relax the rule on all applicants being at least 6 foot tall so that they could walk to shore if the boat sank.
On the subject of Imperial Japan, Hideki Tojo, chief of its miltary was an absolute madman. The man would sooner see his country - and his people - driven to annihilation than accept defeat.
In fact, he was a parody of himself. He stayed away from fighting throughout the war. It's not about him using the sword in the first line, but he could personally supervise the combined operations from the ship's bridge. He couldn't do it. He was also unable to adequately punish especially personally incompetent commanders. ''Apology accepted, Admiral Nagumo''
Love your content and how in depth you go into star wars.
Ya at least the US Army & US Navy tolerates one & other 😂
Lol ikr it’s the US marines and US army that can’t stand each other
You have backwards. Marines and Navy get along. Army and Navy hate eachother.
If they hated each other, then we’d all be screwed.
@@threatlevel_TACO Marines hate airforce too lol. I was a marine on an airforce base, but generally yes we hate army most
But they all point and laugh at the Coast Guard.
Oh yea...I agree with "The Villages" references! They could definitely be Outer Rim and an Imperial retirement community all-in-one!
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
There's nothing primitive about Florida try savage
Very enjoyable. Many thanks to you and the team. I appreciate all the hard work every one puts in .merry Christmas. From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧
This is the type of discussion you'll never see in the sequels
Sadly. I'd rather see star wars under new ownership before anything that deep is done.
This was neat. I always love your star wars videos because they always go so deep into the lore that it really intrigues me and makes me love Star Wars even more. Plus its nice that you occasionally make comparisons between the Star Wars universe and the real world because it can put certain things into perspective. Thank you very much for this amazing gift and I hope you had a Merry Christmas and happy Holiday Alain and everyone else involved with Generation Tech.
Also I think that the Imperial Navy had troopers. THey just were rarely used. I know that when Solo was court martialled he was put into the naval troopers (and somehow the Navy had a substantial ground presence on Mimban).
Nah he was Army, they named his division. 241st Armored Division
You can see them more visibly in andor and serving in the Death Star prison scene
Good job, I enjoyed the analysis
awesome video man, keep it up
Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate man! Hope you have a great day in this crazy winter weather! Keep up the great work!👍🏼
I think the strife was intentional because I get the feeling that the Sith are sorta Chaos Stupid, with a dash of Edgelordyness so they get off on the suffering and big dick power but have a bad organization that doesn’t mutually support each other.
havent watched one of your videos since about 2018. This was nice to come across. Thanks Alan :)
awesome video!
I wish you had made this video during the week of the Army Navy game.
Great vid GenTech, I always enjoy your content.
Outstanding video!
very good analysis. I read a lot from the West End Games Star Wars RPG (and still own most of the books - including the imperial sourcebook) and this is a very good accompaniment to the series, filling in details from post-rulebook official content. Very impressed with this. Well thought-out and presented.
This was an amazing video and only proves more as to why the republics military was much more effective because all the branches knew they needed each other. It also helped the fact that the clone soldiers which made up the majority of the republics forces had a deep sense of brotherhood to each other no matter the branch given they were literally brothers through cloning. I feel that despite the imperial militaries many advancements it had no hope of defeating the rebellion because the rebel forces as the very least were all untied while the empire’s military branches were bickering amongst each other. And it ultimately would be their petty rivalries and arrogance that would destroy them. So sad that very few imperial commanders knew this and basically had to deal with it.
Great Video! I really enjoyed the real world historical links! Keep up the good work.
This is a really cool video, and I hadn't really seen the footage at 7:16 before, when the SD arrives, destroying the smaller ship--in theory would all the small rebel vessels have been destroyed when they collided in hyperspace with the massive destroyer too? (I guess they would've destroyed eachother idk)
This definitely makes me wish we get to see the lost Clone Wars story arc about the Clones in the army and navy going at each other in a "Top Gun" like story, with Rex and R2 being caught in the middle and flying together for a mission
Great mix of in universe info and common sense about real world militaries, you just got a sub my good sir
Perfect content for a great Christmas morning.
Merry Christmas Alan and Happy Holidays!
Now that we got the Army, Stormtroopers/Marines, Imp Navy an if you think of TIE Bombers/Fighters as some kinda Air Force now we gotta see some kinda Imp Coast/National Guard
I would love to see in Andor a discussion about how/if a military command structure can remain professional under toxic leadership. with the constant threat of summary execution present - how does that affect the decision making capabilities of leadership?
Thats all millitery
Very interesting, thank you
This video was excellent. The content is usually good, dgmw, but this was especially punchy and succinct without lacking on detail, analysis, and historical analogues.
It was just really good so I wanted to leave a comment for the algorithm.
interestingly enough, there was a member of the Imperial Navy who also didnt think the Death Star was such a bright idea...it was one of the few, one of the VERY few, times that he and Vader actually agreed on something and found common ground...Grand Admiral Thrawn...
Hiyo! Long time fan. Just wanted to comment on a previous video, can't recall which, where it was mentioned that Imperial Stormtroopers were elite soldiers, not the army, and somewhat like the US Marines. The point being that like the marines, they needed the navy to bring them around. Reckon that's a little off. The original marine function was to protect ships from boarders during the age of sail. Small contingents on each ship; the US Navy still does this for the capital ships, mainly the carriers, these days protection against sabotage. Later, yes, the halls of Montezuma and the shores of Tripoli spoke of their close to shore activities. I reckon George Lucas saw the bucketheads as like the SS of WW2; clearly WW2 was his model in terms of dogfighting starfighters as well. The Waffen SS (the military wing of what started as Hitler's bodyguards) were also called stormtroopers and the term is based on the elite sturmtroppen of WW1, developed by Imperial Germany to break the deadlock on the Western Front. The way the bucketheads stand in formation is also clearly harkening back to the Nuremburg rallies, and not how modern armies, like the marines, stand in formation. Keep up the wonderful work, and wishing you and your families a Merry Christmas and a better 2023!
Very good! I can see that Lucasfilm got its inspiration from the Imperial Japanese Navy v Army interservice rivalry. I always thought the Storm Troopers were an independent arm like the US Marines though(but still overall subject to the Navy), rather than being part of the Army. The Navy's elite shock assault troops to be used for boarding actions and contested landings like on Hoth.
The Marines are still under the department of the navy
Great vid
WOW as you were the talking through this I was thinking of the JIN and JIA, fantastic how you tied that in.
Stormtroopers are special forces and the only reason we saw them all the time in the movies is because the story followed high stakes events at the Empire’s most important locations being led by their top leaders like Vader and Veers. We need to see more regular Imperial Army and Navy in the future.
For special forces they sure had a hard time fighting an elderly captain Rex and wolffe and dropped like flies to untrained people
@@Bobsbugsbegone1971 To be fair, clones are quite literally, built different.
Reminds me of Commissioned V Non-Commissioned officers where if you were a NCO you got the job through acts of meritocracy, and instead if you were a commissioned officer you got the job by going to a school rather than getting the job because you stood out from your peers by displaying leadership capability.
Napoleon was popular & successful because he promoted people like cooks to leadership role if they displayed great capability to lead other people, in comparison Napoleon's peers such as the British officer corp was more about aristocracy.
Also Napoleon: ''I didn't learn anything on the battlefields that I didn't already know from military school''. An expression of arrogance? Yes, but also showing how important specialized education is.
Thanks!
Really enjoyed as always thank you and seasons greetings to all at gen tech and all who read this :)
You do a very good staff analysis of the Starwars empire and well-done parallels with the Imperial Japanese Military. One would think you studied up using the US Army FMs and staff manual! Good job and well done. Thoroughly enjoyed this podcast episode.
I wish we got to see some of this rivalry in the series and games. Maybe if we ever get an Empire centric one
Ahahahahaha. Laughs in Disney
@@boonamai8926 We're never gonna good games on the Dark Side with Disney in charge : (
Merry Christmas Alan!
Merry Christmas to you, Allen, and all your subscribers!
I'm curious if the Death Star commands were considered Navy or Army, or were their own thing? The deleted scene of Return of the Jedi where Moff Jerjerrod is concerned about the troops about to die if he fires on Endor is one of the best scenes in the saga, and they took it out.
Reminds me of the Japanese Imperial Navy and Army.
Merry Christmas, Alan.
It’s funny that you added that “blink and you’ll miss it” shot of palm beach Florida because that’s where I was when I joined the 501st Stormtrooper Legion.
They remind me of the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy, constantly trying to get support for each other’s projects and getting the spotlight until the raid on Tokyo when they finally were like hold up we put the emperor’s life at risk…… work together?
I was thinking of the rivalry between the US Army and US Navy. I have met folks from both and they enjoy talking crap about each other.
@@theawesomeman9821 ah yeah that’s a good one.. or really any of the branches with each other, always making fun of each other..
"Fleet does the flying, mobile infantry does the dying." - Johnny Rico
Imperial TIE Fighter pilots: "We don't even have shields, life support systems, or a hyperdrive."
To be fair, I don't think the fighters and transports in Starship Troopers had those either, at least in the Roughnecks CGI cartoon. I seem to recall that the dropship pilots in Roughnecks wore the same kind of hardsuit as the infantry, just in navy blue instead of green.
This explains why even Vader had a modicum of respect for the army and Storm troopers in general, and virtually none for the navy and its officers.
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Love the connections to real life examples!
Sounds like the Galactic Imperial Navy, needed more Marine Corps units or even Legions to be more effective.
I wonder if the army and the navy of the Empire were based on the family rivalries as those of Imperial Japan were.
I love the subtle Florida slam. Well done
There’s so much funny going on in this video if you paying attention. When Alan taps his Cassio Tagg lol and when y’all were talking about space maps and showed a picture of Florida rofl. Subtle af
The Imperial Army is so cool, I really want to see more of them!
Imperial Army and Navy hating each other
Empire of Japan: "I think we all know where this is going"
Empire let Death Star got "nuked" 2 times
Empire of Japan: "First time?"
I forgot how much I enjoyed your videos
Alan I love your unique perspective, you truly give the Star Wars universe an in depth practical observation .
Did the Imperial Army have its own space forces beyond starfighters? Much like how the US Army has its own fleet of logistics and landing vessels. Did they have their own transports, supply vessels, fire support ships or were they totally dependent on the Imperial Navy?
Dark Troopers. They were in The Empire Strikes Back.
Reminds me of the rivalry between the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy.
Truly love your content, and love sharing in my Facebook Star Wars group 👍
Merry Xmas Generation Tech crew
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I love the imperial army and want to see it a lot more
Probably, there was also a huge rivalry over Imperial Football.
One main advantage of having separate branches of Armed Forces is that the can become specialized in whatever service(s) you need, whereas if it were all lumped into one combined armed force, it would actually be more expensive, or suffer from reduced quality overall.
Separate branches also allow for easier distribution of resources depending on the urgency or severity of the need.
Need general peace keeping forces just to provide a presence as safety for civilians or to keep people from considering rebelling? Send in the fresh recruits out of basic. Does the enemy have a high presence of aircraft on a battlefield and you need air superiority? Call in the Air Force. Need to conduct highly covert, time sensitive and extremely volatile operations? Send in your specialists. Need to get them there quickly with logistical services and planning? Use the navy.
Each branch has purpose behind their specialized training, whereas if they were all trained the same set of skills, you would have extreme difficulty being able to adapt to a changing battlefield situation, and it would cost an alarming amount of time and resources to train all of your forces. On the flip side, if you choose to only train the basics of each service ("Jack of all trades"), you would end up with a force of an overall reduced quality than if you allowed specialization.
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I’d definitely join the join the army in the imperial military and not be around hella amounts of incompetency
The map of Florida popping up when you brought up primitive worlds 😭
Did not expect a real life history lesson to be in here. That was a delightful treat!
The quote from Yamamoto was a real quote
"Respect those Marines Ensign. We can turn the Himalayas into the Marianas trench, but what happens when they dig just four feet deeper? Marines dig 'em out. We move them, we protect them, and we supply them. Just because on paper we seem more important doesn't mean that some poor marine with a rifle isn't even more important. We are all cogs in a machine, grinding our foes beneath our equal boots." I wrote about a "Healthy" rivalry between a Star fleet and the Marines who actually take the land. This admiral is somewhat reprimanding an Ensign for their derogatory comment regarding the usefulness of ground pounders in the age of 1000mm orbital bombardment shells. Both (Generally) equally respect each other's roles. Also as a sidenote, Yamamoto's plan for Pearl Harbor was VERY different than how it actually played out. A. It wasn't meant as a surprise attack in the way it happened. A declaration of war was supposed to be submitted a few hours before the attack, but the usual typist was unavailable, resulting in the letter being delayed significantly. B. There was supposed to be a third wave which targeted fuel and dry docks, crippling the response. And C. The US Carriers were actually the primary targets not the battleships. However, as with the last one, the Navy had it's own inner rivalry which resulted in the admiral in charge of the attack actually prioritizing the battleships and leaving once "Surprise had worn off", leaving the Pacific fleet a very well intact base all things considered, as well as having what would become the most potent weapons of World War Two completely unharmed. Wonder if that sort of thing happened in Star Wars but kind of in reverse. Any Republic era officers who saw the benefit of a carrier, only to be undercut and unheard of by Battleship officers.
Also didn't help that the carriers weren't present when Pearl Harbor was attacked. I actually did a report about whether FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked. Final analysis: he knew an attack was coming but not which base would be hit, therefore he couldn't give early warning.
@@Devenix8527 Well I knew the carriers weren't there, I just for some reason worded that really poorly. They weren't there, but were still the intended primary targets, with the battleships being secondary. But of course the admiral in charge was a battleship primary officer, and decided that he wouldn't get a chance if he waited for the carriers to return. Which ultimately really hampered the ideal goal of the Japanese in WWII.
Honestly, did any of the Imperial Military branches actually get along?
I only read the title and thought it was gonna be a Warhammer video, still wasn't disappointed
Merry Christmas and happy Easter everyone
Maybe because the Empire loves infighting?
It's the long built culture that honestly I want some new sith to come in and say, "screw this old shit, let's do this SMART!"
@@shcdemolisher That would be terrifyingly refreshing to see.
Very interesting video great you brought real life rivalries in as examples.
What show is the live action ground fighting from?
Solo
Yup, like the Imperial Japanese Navy/Army rivalry. You can collab with Drachinifiel on these topics as Drach had a video on the IJ Army's naval service.
It’s just some service competition.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Generation Tech
Nice insights into the Imperial Military :) Interservice rivalry is another thing why the Empire doesnt function.
Slight correction though: Tagge and Vader weren't the only survivors of the conference scene, General Hurst Romodi reappeared in canon comic "Star Wars" 2020 again and became the Executor's Army commander after Empire Strikes back, replacing General Veers.
in empire at war, you cant even use the shields to protect the power generators on hoth where that was an issue for the empire. an orbital bombardment on the power generator is only prevented by fog of war.