Weed can feel overwhelming to some, if you are predisposed to schizophrenia or psychosis, it can potentiate this very well. Don't even get me started about LSD or psilocybin lol.
fair. yea, I used to be fascinated by LSD stories. Some books I read took me into the dark side of the 60's. Some people really lost their minds back then and never got them back. Quite tragic
@@Ryans_Sciencepsychedelic using population has a LOWER rate of mental illness than the non-using population. This means that if lsd triggered your schizophrenia, it would have hit you eventually without it anyway
Look up “fischer lsd psilocybin treatment of autistic schizophrenic children” in the right setting it can cause nonverbal violent children to be peaceful, functional and social in a school setting
@@Ryans_Science Hi! Which books did you read about this? I'm very curious. I know that the singer of Pink Floyd lost his mind due to tripping too much on acid. But I didn't hear more stories about this.
@@kalinkathomas i forget. it was when i first started going to college, i would dig through their library. I know Joan Didion writes some good stuff on that time period though
i went through alcohol/weed induced psychosis at 14. the most horrifying event in my life. i still do smoke from time to time and use hemp cartridges. i don’t think it was the weed itself more so my trauma and already present symptoms leading up to it, it was mostly the factor of the combination of binging alcohol and smoking way too much weed
yea i dont know. weed stopped being enjoyable for me. It created a double-mind where i felt like i was being too lazy and i felt guilty like i needed to move but was trapped in my body. it became very terrifying so i stopped it about 15 years ago. now i just do math (pun intended 🙂)
@@Ryans_Science If it makes you feel better, that was a small part of the purpose of The War On Drugs propaganda: to manifest that "double mind" inside the consciousness of everyday citizens. No disrespect of course, it's good that you know yourself enough to not push your mind too far. I think part of why I'm drawn to cannabis is that there wasn't this culture of "pressure to partake" like with alcohol, and "taking a break" was often encouraged by the stoners I met. Knowing our limits is important in many aspects. I'll admit I've had some really scary thought loops, but I realized at the time that it was because I was avoiding specific issues that bothered me in my life. Once I committed and made changes to those things, my highs became calming again. There are similarities with how the brain's anxiety can be triggered, but a large part of me wonders if this means that schizophrenic brains passively-produce the chemicals which induce the states cannabis can induce in a person - kinda like how some brains produce greater or fewer quantities of melatonin - it would make sense why putting more on top of it would be so overwhelming. All throughout the developed world, schizophrenia should be better-acknowledged and accommodated as something that happens, for the same reasons we can build ramps and transports for people with chronic leg issues. And I can't help but wonder if we as a "modern" species would be better-equipped to help schizophrenics if these substances were both professionally and openly discussed as you've done here, instead of demonized, locked away, and outlawed despite their documented place in human history and agriculture. Thanks for sharing your story, Ryan. May you have peaceful days ahead.
@@mistermoo7602 lets see, what are your actual arguments: Your notion that somehow because the "War on Drugs" was attempting to create a double-mind in people means that there is no double-mind associated with weed, is a bad argument. We experience double-mind in alot of things irregardless. For instance, when our alarm goes off in the morning we have a slight double-mind of "do i get up or do i stay in bed". So your argument is a misdirection. With regard to, do people experience social pressure when it comes to weed. Maybe not in every region of existence in society, but because people are social creatures(if you would allow me to so assume) they want to share in the experiences of their peers, and so if ones peers are all smoking, one will feel a pressure to smoke. So i dont see how one can say, universally there's no kind of social pressure associated with weed, unless one assumes a restricted interpretation of this word "pressure", and doing so, it seems would serve a political function in the discourse, since it would keep certain things from being able to be called "pressures" even if they experience as a kind of pressure to an individual. so in short i disagree with your arguments. but may you have peaceful days ahead as well
@@Ryans_Science Wasn't making an argument as much as I was just inspired to share my own experience by you sharing yours. I also did specify that I agreed with your feelings that weed leads to that self-conscious effect, nothing in my experience has me disagree with that. The purpose of that passage was to acknowledge that some aspects of self-consciousness are influenced by media and propaganda, and meant to imply that you seem self-aware enough that you probably weren't actually lazy or worthy of contempt in those moments, even if the "double mind" told you that.
@@mistermoo7602 well it perceived to me like you were trying to establish a counter position, but i couldnt see what the philosophers call "sufficient reason", but as far as experiences go I love hearing peoples experiences, since i see them as benefiting everyone, so maybe i misunderstood your purpose
When I was 20, I smoked multiple times a day for 2 years straight. I quit after a seizure and the voice of God telling me to stop smoking. Three years later, (and possibly after a stroke) I'm sober and STILL having psychotropic highly spiritual experiences. It's not super negative, though.
My biological grandma had schizophrenia and so it means I have a genetic predisposition, I smoke weed occasionally, however started when I was 14 ( I am now 20). There were certain years I took a break but I am worried it won't be enough and I'll still get it later in life even if I stop smoking. I once had a panic attack from smoking weed and have had a few panic attacks since then sober, which really scared me. I did acid once and it was an extremely awful experience, never again. God I pray I will be ok
i suggest, maybe you could get a book on schizophrenia, explaining it to you a little, that way if you do end up experiencing symptoms it wont be as scary (my favorite authors on it are RD Laing and Stacks Sullivan but theyre kindof difficult. but they also sell alot of books on it at Barnes & Nobles that are pretty good like, for example, you can find books written by people who have recovered from it). Probably I'd suggest staying away from weed though, since the writers of those studies I linked in the description admitted there might be some correlation.
I absolutely am just so allergic to marijuana..... smoking even just a little bit gives me the most insane anxiety and makes me feel like I'm going crazy with heart arrythmia and everrything!!!! NO THANK YOU !!!!!!
You can either be focused on your self, or things outside of you. Dr. Andrew Huberman calls it Interioception vs Exterioception. The anxiety can only exist if you focus on how you feel. Something like a hot shower can overwhelm our senses making it almost impossible to focus on the negative sensation of suddenly feeling each heart beat. If you were alternatively in a sensory deprivation tank and smoked some you would have terrible anxiety.
It's funny... it's almost a cliche that marijuana makes music sound better. One time when i was about 16 or 17 I was listening to music whilst high, and the music started sounding "better and better and better", until it became absolutely overwhelming - like I was drowning in this ocean of music. It was terrifying. The best way I can describe it is the music sounded grandiose... like it put me in mind of like a palace with a massive staircase with red carpet and golden banisters or something. I had to switch it off. Shortly after that I had a nervous breakdown. I later came to realise that my perception of the music was a kind of aggregation of my past traumas... once i worked through these (which took decades) music started to sound normal again. I remember once when I was about 20, being deeply disturbed by the sound of the chimes of an ice cream van. It sounded really kind of sinister and "off". Again after working through a whole load of trauma things are so different. When I hear the sound of an ice cream van now it puts me in ecstasy. If anyone is feeling overwhelmed and like they're drowning in their psychosis... it's okay! You'll be okay! As my Mother was fond of saying: "It will all come out in the wash."
yea, one time i had a very terrifying experience with the band animal collective when high (probably about 16 yrs ago, though but i still remember the terror)
@@Ryans_Science I definitely haven’t learned enough but I still get bits and pieces with the help of UA-cam lol it’s not too bad. This may not be the direction you were thinking in the vid but I kind of feel like the need to be productive and the feeling of potentially needing to be responsible for something plays into weed anxiety. And weed and psychedelics can have the same tendency towards wanting to exist outside of the liberal capitalist framework as shizo-. I’m a bit of a class reductionist tho so my mind always goes that way and finds connections.
@@CamClapsCheeks i only said that coz I like to read philosophy very systematically and when something doesnt make sense it makes it hard for me to continue reading, since i often build up my thoughts linearly as i read (that may not be the best way to approach that book though). I noticed there are alot of references made in that book that were lost on me. That made me feel like I wasnt prepared to read it. It seemed like they were making a very deep critique on capitalism, and i didnt want to mistake it for something shallow, so ive been postponing my reading of it. but if you can get something out of it I think thats cool. my mind probably just works too mathematically, since thats what my schooling was in
@@Ryans_Science that makes sense! I’m bad about partially reading too many books haha I was reminded of your video where you talked about “doing as one does” and I feel like there’s a connection between some drug experiences and some schizo- that maybe showcases our desire to just exist “as one does” in a way that is antithetical to “productivity”. I think there’s some revolutionary potential there. I hope I’m not too far off of your line of thinking. Thanks for your videos
@@CamClapsCheekshave you listened to the late Terrence Mckenna? Edit: relevant because he believed that our ancestors eating magic mushrooms led to a breakdown of the whole alpha leadership social structure and led to more genetic diversity as well as opening up our minds to new ideas and exercising a more varied part of our brains including the newer structures. There's a hell of a lot more to it but that's one of his things. He also says that a certain mushroom had a voice that would talk to him every time and send him information, images and videos
hey, if someone leaves a pack of cigarettes at my house, best believe, its gonna get smoked haha. but with weed, maybe just taking an entry level math analysis class and it will probably undue all its damage (assuming there is damage)
@@RustyShakleford1 well, my reasoning was just that in being high a certain capacity for logical thinking disappears, and that type of thinking is involved in the most baby-est of math proofs, so even by doing simple math proofs, that capacity will quickly return. i admit, i was just kindof throwing it out there based on my own experience, that whenever my mind feels fuzzy, i do a bit of math, and before long it feels sharp again. i had spent alot of time smoking weed when i was younger and when i got into college i had a really hard time whereas in high school i never had any trouble with math.
yeah not gonna lie I don't have any mental illnesses other than adhd (not an illness but you know still a disorder) and some trauma from being on the Internet without supervision at way too young of an age in the early 2010s and thc triggers some intense ass thought loops which is why I'm the weird one in my friends group for not smoking as often as they do
well good thing, since psychosis can really take someone for a ride. been 15 years since they diagnosed me as having a psychotic episode, and i still cant figure out what exactly it was or what it did to me
Call me whatever you want, I am absolutely convinced there are 'agents' nearly everywhere, at least in the U.S. I've seen too many things, often while sober, to think anything else. I've had extremely in-my-face experiences in public places I'm convinced were totally designed for me. Call me whatever you want, I know what I've seen.
Weed can feel overwhelming to some, if you are predisposed to schizophrenia or psychosis, it can potentiate this very well. Don't even get me started about LSD or psilocybin lol.
fair. yea, I used to be fascinated by LSD stories. Some books I read took me into the dark side of the 60's. Some people really lost their minds back then and never got them back. Quite tragic
@@Ryans_Sciencepsychedelic using population has a LOWER rate of mental illness than the non-using population. This means that if lsd triggered your schizophrenia, it would have hit you eventually without it anyway
Look up “fischer lsd psilocybin treatment of autistic schizophrenic children” in the right setting it can cause nonverbal violent children to be peaceful, functional and social in a school setting
@@Ryans_Science Hi! Which books did you read about this? I'm very curious. I know that the singer of Pink Floyd lost his mind due to tripping too much on acid. But I didn't hear more stories about this.
@@kalinkathomas i forget. it was when i first started going to college, i would dig through their library. I know Joan Didion writes some good stuff on that time period though
i went through alcohol/weed induced psychosis at 14. the most horrifying event in my life. i still do smoke from time to time and use hemp cartridges. i don’t think it was the weed itself more so my trauma and already present symptoms leading up to it, it was mostly the factor of the combination of binging alcohol and smoking way too much weed
yea i dont know. weed stopped being enjoyable for me. It created a double-mind where i felt like i was being too lazy and i felt guilty like i needed to move but was trapped in my body. it became very terrifying so i stopped it about 15 years ago. now i just do math (pun intended 🙂)
@@Ryans_Science If it makes you feel better, that was a small part of the purpose of The War On Drugs propaganda: to manifest that "double mind" inside the consciousness of everyday citizens. No disrespect of course, it's good that you know yourself enough to not push your mind too far. I think part of why I'm drawn to cannabis is that there wasn't this culture of "pressure to partake" like with alcohol, and "taking a break" was often encouraged by the stoners I met. Knowing our limits is important in many aspects.
I'll admit I've had some really scary thought loops, but I realized at the time that it was because I was avoiding specific issues that bothered me in my life. Once I committed and made changes to those things, my highs became calming again.
There are similarities with how the brain's anxiety can be triggered, but a large part of me wonders if this means that schizophrenic brains passively-produce the chemicals which induce the states cannabis can induce in a person - kinda like how some brains produce greater or fewer quantities of melatonin - it would make sense why putting more on top of it would be so overwhelming.
All throughout the developed world, schizophrenia should be better-acknowledged and accommodated as something that happens, for the same reasons we can build ramps and transports for people with chronic leg issues. And I can't help but wonder if we as a "modern" species would be better-equipped to help schizophrenics if these substances were both professionally and openly discussed as you've done here, instead of demonized, locked away, and outlawed despite their documented place in human history and agriculture.
Thanks for sharing your story, Ryan. May you have peaceful days ahead.
@@mistermoo7602 lets see, what are your actual arguments:
Your notion that somehow because the "War on Drugs" was attempting to create a double-mind in people means that there is no double-mind associated with weed, is a bad argument. We experience double-mind in alot of things irregardless. For instance, when our alarm goes off in the morning we have a slight double-mind of "do i get up or do i stay in bed". So your argument is a misdirection.
With regard to, do people experience social pressure when it comes to weed. Maybe not in every region of existence in society, but because people are social creatures(if you would allow me to so assume) they want to share in the experiences of their peers, and so if ones peers are all smoking, one will feel a pressure to smoke. So i dont see how one can say, universally there's no kind of social pressure associated with weed, unless one assumes a restricted interpretation of this word "pressure", and doing so, it seems would serve a political function in the discourse, since it would keep certain things from being able to be called "pressures" even if they experience as a kind of pressure to an individual.
so in short i disagree with your arguments. but may you have peaceful days ahead as well
@@Ryans_Science Wasn't making an argument as much as I was just inspired to share my own experience by you sharing yours. I also did specify that I agreed with your feelings that weed leads to that self-conscious effect, nothing in my experience has me disagree with that.
The purpose of that passage was to acknowledge that some aspects of self-consciousness are influenced by media and propaganda, and meant to imply that you seem self-aware enough that you probably weren't actually lazy or worthy of contempt in those moments, even if the "double mind" told you that.
@@mistermoo7602 well it perceived to me like you were trying to establish a counter position, but i couldnt see what the philosophers call "sufficient reason", but as far as experiences go I love hearing peoples experiences, since i see them as benefiting everyone, so maybe i misunderstood your purpose
I thought this was so insightful, thank you for taking the time to put this together and share it
your welcome. just trying to throw my little drop of experience into the bucket 🙂
When I was 20, I smoked multiple times a day for 2 years straight. I quit after a seizure and the voice of God telling me to stop smoking.
Three years later, (and possibly after a stroke) I'm sober and STILL having psychotropic highly spiritual experiences.
It's not super negative, though.
congrats on your achievement of being sober. thats not an easy thing
My biological grandma had schizophrenia and so it means I have a genetic predisposition, I smoke weed occasionally, however started when I was 14 ( I am now 20). There were certain years I took a break but I am worried it won't be enough and I'll still get it later in life even if I stop smoking. I once had a panic attack from smoking weed and have had a few panic attacks since then sober, which really scared me. I did acid once and it was an extremely awful experience, never again. God I pray I will be ok
i suggest, maybe you could get a book on schizophrenia, explaining it to you a little, that way if you do end up experiencing symptoms it wont be as scary (my favorite authors on it are RD Laing and Stacks Sullivan but theyre kindof difficult. but they also sell alot of books on it at Barnes & Nobles that are pretty good like, for example, you can find books written by people who have recovered from it). Probably I'd suggest staying away from weed though, since the writers of those studies I linked in the description admitted there might be some correlation.
this is so good, great video
yo thanks. I was especially excited about the idea of mental states being made to correspond to points in some strange kind of metric space
Marijuana definitely triggers my nieces schizophrenia.
i'd never thought of schizophrenia as something that "triggered" but i guess that makes sense
man, Ryan’s World is different now
haha nice lul good one. its not like im an actual person or anything with actual feelings, you pervert 😜
I absolutely am just so allergic to marijuana..... smoking even just a little bit gives me the most insane anxiety and makes me feel like I'm going crazy with heart arrythmia and everrything!!!! NO THANK YOU !!!!!!
You can either be focused on your self, or things outside of you. Dr. Andrew Huberman calls it Interioception vs Exterioception.
The anxiety can only exist if you focus on how you feel. Something like a hot shower can overwhelm our senses making it almost impossible to focus on the negative sensation of suddenly feeling each heart beat.
If you were alternatively in a sensory deprivation tank and smoked some you would have terrible anxiety.
It's funny... it's almost a cliche that marijuana makes music sound better. One time when i was about 16 or 17 I was listening to music whilst high, and the music started sounding "better and better and better", until it became absolutely overwhelming - like I was drowning in this ocean of music. It was terrifying. The best way I can describe it is the music sounded grandiose... like it put me in mind of like a palace with a massive staircase with red carpet and golden banisters or something. I had to switch it off. Shortly after that I had a nervous breakdown.
I later came to realise that my perception of the music was a kind of aggregation of my past traumas... once i worked through these (which took decades) music started to sound normal again.
I remember once when I was about 20, being deeply disturbed by the sound of the chimes of an ice cream van. It sounded really kind of sinister and "off". Again after working through a whole load of trauma things are so different. When I hear the sound of an ice cream van now it puts me in ecstasy.
If anyone is feeling overwhelmed and like they're drowning in their psychosis... it's okay! You'll be okay! As my Mother was fond of saying: "It will all come out in the wash."
yea, one time i had a very terrifying experience with the band animal collective when high (probably about 16 yrs ago, though but i still remember the terror)
Does that mean you can still enjoy smoking again?
@@Dissacharide nope. havent even tried. last time i smoked, about 16 years ago I felt like i was chained to board being eaten by fire ants
I’m really hearing you on this one. Have you read anti-oedipus?
No, but I respect its author greatly. One day I will feel learn'd enough to make sense of that book
@@Ryans_Science I definitely haven’t learned enough but I still get bits and pieces with the help of UA-cam lol it’s not too bad.
This may not be the direction you were thinking in the vid but I kind of feel like the need to be productive and the feeling of potentially needing to be responsible for something plays into weed anxiety. And weed and psychedelics can have the same tendency towards wanting to exist outside of the liberal capitalist framework as shizo-. I’m a bit of a class reductionist tho so my mind always goes that way and finds connections.
@@CamClapsCheeks i only said that coz I like to read philosophy very systematically and when something doesnt make sense it makes it hard for me to continue reading, since i often build up my thoughts linearly as i read (that may not be the best way to approach that book though).
I noticed there are alot of references made in that book that were lost on me. That made me feel like I wasnt prepared to read it. It seemed like they were making a very deep critique on capitalism, and i didnt want to mistake it for something shallow, so ive been postponing my reading of it.
but if you can get something out of it I think thats cool. my mind probably just works too mathematically, since thats what my schooling was in
@@Ryans_Science that makes sense! I’m bad about partially reading too many books haha
I was reminded of your video where you talked about “doing as one does” and I feel like there’s a connection between some drug experiences and some schizo- that maybe showcases our desire to just exist “as one does” in a way that is antithetical to “productivity”. I think there’s some revolutionary potential there. I hope I’m not too far off of your line of thinking. Thanks for your videos
@@CamClapsCheekshave you listened to the late Terrence Mckenna?
Edit: relevant because he believed that our ancestors eating magic mushrooms led to a breakdown of the whole alpha leadership social structure and led to more genetic diversity as well as opening up our minds to new ideas and exercising a more varied part of our brains including the newer structures. There's a hell of a lot more to it but that's one of his things. He also says that a certain mushroom had a voice that would talk to him every time and send him information, images and videos
For a second I thought you were in a Norewegian Prison
i suppose, in some sense, i could be 🤔
So it possible to enjoy smoking if you have learned to manage schizophrenia better?
i mean...im not trying to tell others what is or isnt possible for them
smoked half my life... its😮starting to show 🤔 😔
hey, if someone leaves a pack of cigarettes at my house, best believe, its gonna get smoked haha. but with weed, maybe just taking an entry level math analysis class and it will probably undue all its damage (assuming there is damage)
In what way??
@@RustyShakleford1 well, my reasoning was just that in being high a certain capacity for logical thinking disappears, and that type of thinking is involved in the most baby-est of math proofs, so even by doing simple math proofs, that capacity will quickly return. i admit, i was just kindof throwing it out there based on my own experience, that whenever my mind feels fuzzy, i do a bit of math, and before long it feels sharp again. i had spent alot of time smoking weed when i was younger and when i got into college i had a really hard time whereas in high school i never had any trouble with math.
yeah not gonna lie I don't have any mental illnesses other than adhd (not an illness but you know still a disorder) and some trauma from being on the Internet without supervision at way too young of an age in the early 2010s and thc triggers some intense ass thought loops which is why I'm the weird one in my friends group for not smoking as often as they do
well good thing, since psychosis can really take someone for a ride. been 15 years since they diagnosed me as having a psychotic episode, and i still cant figure out what exactly it was or what it did to me
Call me whatever you want, I am absolutely convinced there are 'agents' nearly everywhere, at least in the U.S. I've seen too many things, often while sober, to think anything else. I've had extremely in-my-face experiences in public places I'm convinced were totally designed for me. Call me whatever you want, I know what I've seen.
could be. I don't totally doubt what you are saying
Play stupid games win stuff prizes
that is a saying, yes.