TMac Thinks He should've won MVP in 2003...Shaq Disagrees | The Big Podcast
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Hall-of-Famer Tracy McGrady stops by and fits right into the Big Podcast family. The 7x NBA All-Star talks missing out on the NBA Top 75 list, what it means to be a ‘great player’, his Bleacher Report x Triller VERZUZ battle against Allen Iverson & more. The crew debates Matthew Stafford’s career and gives some advice on a new edition of ‘Love Shaq University.’
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5:35 talks about his Rookie year coach. 7:30 Shaq talks about instigating match ups and not helping on Defense. 9:15 talks about his welcome to the league moment when GP schooled him. 10:40 Talks Steve Smith teaching him. 11:30 can today’s guys play with them back in the day. 14:20 Joel Embiid. 15:00 top 75 list. 16:20 speak on HOFer. 16:50 MVP race in today’s NBA. 17:50 talks 2003 MVP and himself not winning. 19:00 Tim Duncan’s influence on TParker and Manu. 20:16 DeMar for MVP. 21:12 TMAC 1V1 league. 24:08 Shaq tries to take his shoe off. 25:00 Zion might have to get his body done. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Goated for this
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God bless you
Your good man. Thanks
Real MVP right here
TMac: “In order for the game to go back to where it was, there’s gonna have to be another Shaq”
Shaq: “That ain’t gonna happen because I got rid of all the blueprints”
Bro😂😂 14:10
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Such a legend he ain't lyin
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@@neworleans018 buggin
Tracy Mcgrady was on an equal level to Kobe Bryant for about 4 ro 5 years. He is definitely a top 75 player. One of the most impressive players I've seen in the last 25 years. A true superstar.
Kobe played defense that's what separated them on the court obviously Kobe worked harder but tmac was more talented
@@marcusreed5862 Tmac was a great defender when he needed to be. The difference was Kobe lifted which made him last longer
Facts
He’ll naw no top 75
he was older n bigger than kobe
Respect to TMac for trying to set a good example for his kids and doing him.
Soft.
Naw that's a grown man bruh
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Tmac obviously has a bias towards himself lol but it’s fun to listen to the arguments. Tmac had 7 years of 25ppg over his career, he’s definitely got that longevity despite all the injuries / years not given a chance
No playoff success is a huge black mark. Yeah I know no help but it was the East.
Just like shaq has a bias towards himself and other big men
Who's not going to be bias towards themselves
@@tubewatcher1979 right lebron had success without help d rose 🌹 made it no excuses for t Mac especially in Orlando and definitely should’ve won in Houston with Yao
Not given a chance? Dude never got out the first round like ever. And blew a 3-1 lead. He def had enough talent in Houston to get it done
I actually gained a lot of respect for T-Mac in this interview after hearing him talk about his tattoos. Everyone on there is trying to pressure him and he stands by what he wants to do and what he believes. It can’t be easy on national TV, being pressured by the likes of Shaquille O’Neal-I have a lot of respect for that-he’s his own person.
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He also mentioned he only have a car. Prudence and practical
Ok bro...cool
2003 Duncan had one of the best start to finish seasons in NBA history that year. Tmacs my fave player ever, but Duncan deserved the MVP. Start go finish he had one of the top 5 best seasons ever. Also it was the 2003 season we're talking about, Duncan was the only all star. David Robinson was at the end, Tony was a 2nd yesr guy, Manu a rookie. It got so bad for Tony in the playoffs Pop was starting Speed Claxton in playoff games over him
An also he almost got traded for Jason Kidd I think u year later! Alot folks don't remember that
Duncan was thriving because of the system tmac had to get it out the mud
This. Tony and Manu were pretty green and weren't All-Stars in 2003.
Tmac's team was the 8th seed in the East, he trippin. And btw, he only got 4th place in votings, it was Timmy, KG, Kobe then TMac. He didn't have a chance and no one was arguing for him at the time
@@quentinsowell3704 This is such an ignorant take. Duncan was the system. The Spurs literally played around Duncan during the early to mid 2000s. The reason why everyone found the Spurs boring was because they constantly played around Duncan just posting up and him deciding what to do from there. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was only in his 2nd year in 2003. David Robinson was also at the end of his career. Duncan carried the Spurs in 2003. It was only until the later 2000s when the Spurs became that great all-around team with a great system.
I love the respect Shaq has for Duncan he made everybody better around him.
Yea but tmac was right they still make the playoffs but Duncan gets them over when it's comes to winning a ring
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@@nature-kv3xe not at allll. go back and what happened vs the sun's. ight then...remind me how that wasn't mono and toilet papers intro into the NBA and Duncan's double teams didn't make they lil 15 and 12 ppg
@@nature-kv3xe who was going to make up Duncan's defense?? making them a top defensive team? or the double attention? the rebounds?? y'all straight wildin
@@nature-kv3xe the second option was a 20yr old sophomore Tony Parker. Not even close to being in his prime.
Manu was a rookie averaging 7.8 ppg
Robinson was a 37 yr old vet only averaging 8pts and 8 Rebs
40 yr old Kevin Willis averaged 4 points
37 yr old Steve Kerr averaged 4 pts
And it just gets worse from there.
Duncan's 2003 season is one of the greatest of all time.
Yet both *Kobe And T-Mac* had better seasons lol especially Kobe
@@Darius_Icewood nah fam cmon… 03 was Tim year.
@@Darius_Icewood Kobe yeah
Not tmac
@Drew obv tim hes 7ft
Tim Duncan was unstobbale that year and even Shaq defended him immediately
Shaq is right. Embiid isn't dominant. He's much more versatile. However, I believe Shaq would son him in the paint. And TMac belongs in the top 75
Why??
Me and TMac had the exact same reaction to Shaq 🤣🤣 24:40 I'm like "Bro where you going with this?"
Two Legends I love both of them!! I played ball on AAU teams and thru middle school high school grew up watching Shaq and TMac Dunkin on homies 🔥🔥🔥🔥#Legend🏀♥️♥️♥️ 🏆
T-mac should be a regular host he has great energy with the squad
Facts
Only if he can actually learn to sit up straight I stead of laying almost completely flat.
@@zacflemo1994 KB uu
@@ignoblesavage5559 he can sit however he wants to sit
@@thatdidntagewell4689 good lord, is that what you took out of my comment? That I'm somehow seriously trying to dictate how the man sits? Can't believe I have to explain this.
What I said had nothing to do with "telling" TM to do ANYTHING. It was an unserious observation based on the FACT that no host of any talk show or podcast is reclining to the degree that he does. I dont know, maybe you've seen shows where the interviewer (OR interviewee) is pretty much laying down.
This wasn't even a joke per se...just a mildly humorous observation of his sitting habits. I notice it because I sit the same way, partly to keep various arthritic joints from hurting.
TMac was so disgusted when Shaq threatened to take his shoes off 😂😂 “We’ve all seen them bro. We’ve all seen them”
Shaq was right on the point. Duncan was on another level that year too he definitely was the Spurs and even Parker, Ginobli and Pop all admit there is no championships or the playoffs they might have been close to a 50/50 record but they don't win without Duncan and they aren't Hall of famers without Tim getting doubled constantly and feeding them the ball to give them the chances to develop and get easier shots off to become the players they became. Idc nobody compares to Kobe or even D Wade on his teams, Tim made everyone better and was the anchor for their defense which was always the top of the list as the best defensive team back than and you don't have the best defense without Tim Duncan
Man I miss early 00's Spurs vs Lakers. Those games/series were so intense. 05' finals of Spurs vs Pistons is my favorite of all time. I'm probably in the minority here but I miss me those 86-82 games. Back when playing defense mattered and you couldn't take 2.5 - 3 steps with the ball.
And in 2000 when Tim got injured for the playoffs it was a cake walk for the Lakers. Wasn’t even competitive.
21:14 such an excellent idea from someone who played in the AND1 era that had an impact globally. TMac you have to make this happen big time
I used to love watching the and1 mix tapes
"They got a well-oiled machine"
"Yeah, Tim Duncan"
FACTS lol
Great comment SHAQ! 🤣
Wrong
Sure, take Parker, Ginobli and Bowen away and see what they do
Shaq just hatin. Ginobli and Parker were all-star players and would have better stats if Tim Duncan wasnt playing. Give them more touches and they would average 25 ppg. But with TIm Duncan, they're a dynasty.
@@zpacify They weren’t All-Stars in 03
T-Mac & AI made me love the game of basketball. I don't think I can ever skip through a vid of him speaking his mind. Dope vid
yessir
Two ball hogs who couldn’t make their teammates or team better, they scored a lot but that doesn’t mean nothing for rings.
@@MrBallie1975AI went to the final with the sixers.
Kobe. Ai. Tmac those are my top 3
@@MrBallie1975you need your phone taken away sir
Just started the interview and I already know this gon be a dope joint
T Mac is my favorite player of all time very insightful cool guy very honest skilled and always willing to learn and teach enjoyed this a lot
One point Tracy is overlooking is how stacked the West was back then. When the Lakers went on that 3-peat, everyone knew the Western Conference Finals winner was the Finals winner. THAT was the real championship. Facing the East's winner was just a formality.
The Pistons bucked that trend at the height of the Shaq/Kobe beef, but ain't no way the Pacers, 76ers, Nets, whoever was going to win a series against the Lakers or Spurs (or even others) at that time. The Magic just making the playoffs in the East was not as impressive as what Duncan did when Manu & Parker were new & Robinson was on his last leg.
why are you even talking about Playoffs when it's about Regular season MVP?
When the Lakers went on their 3 peat, David Stern and Tim Donaghy already knew they were going to win.
I think he would know he was there in the West and the east lol
Beef or no beef with Shaq/Kobe Pistons were winning that. Just wanna clarify that for you Lakers fans
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TMAC & SHAQ debating puts a huge smile on my face. I love this content
Me too man this was awesome
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Shaq is wrong the spurs was always a playoff team when they got Tim they where a championship team 🤷🏿♂️
Makes you imagine what a Kobe and Shaq podcast would have been like. RIP Mamba 4 Ever
T-Mac's face at 24:45 after Shaq started talking 🤣🤣🤣
😭😭😭😭😭
I liked the fact Tracy talked on his growth of removing his tats and being him. For those who want to keep them or put them on that's being you. But it is also refreshing to hear Tracy be himself as well with no compromise
I love Tracy's laid back energy
I remember he played super laid back in the 2003-04 season
Confidence never has to be loud or exagerated. It speaks for itself.
His ge is smooth like that too
His game was also laided back and smooth
@@mr.onehundon2946 I liked his game.
Great interview. 👍🔥
Yes T. Mac! Onr of my FAVORITE NBA players ever! I'm so proud of his growth. I love it. Maturity is a wonderful thing. Don't clown him for evolving. It's a beautiful thing ❤️
This is the worst argument against Timmy. That year was his peak. He average double double. Triple double in the finals
also almost 3 blks per game...
Tim Duncan 2003 Season
- MVP
- First Team All NBA
- First Team All Defense
- Championship
- Finals MVP
This is true but MVP is a regular season award and T-Mac was better in the reg season even though Duncan was better overall for the entire season.
@@gorkajames6475 yall forgot the runner up that year was jason kidd, regular season leader in triple doubles and got his team to the finals 2 years in a row
Defeated prime Shaq and Kobe. Who where 3 peat defending champions
I like how Shaq keeps it real 😂😂😂
He keeps it real dumb
Finally someone of relevance said the truth about Bill Walton. The dude had like 1 and a half good seasons in his career and made the top 50 player list, he's the most overrated player in NBA history.
@@commonsense3921 You're clearly a casual. Bill Walton in his prime was an unstoppable force. Won MVP, Finals MVP and won the NBA championship on the Blazers. Not to mention he also had a great run on the legendary 1986 Boston Celtics with Larry Bird. Bill Walton could score at the highest level, rebound, defend the paint, etc.
If he kept it real he would of said McGrady ain’t a HOFer
@@1ZosoLZhe’s not keeping it real though. Tmac is right. The spurs were good enough to make the playoffs and the mvp is a regular season award
Nice interview good to hear from Tmac definitely in top 25 of all time hands down…
Facts
Glad T-Mac said he wants to grow up. Removing tattoos, removing the rims on his cars, trying to be a strong figure for his kids. We need more black men to do this. It's not about those things per se. It's the fact that he is consciously separating himself from his youth.
The players with gold chains, pimped up cars and 50k shoes don't last long after getting out of the league and their guaranteed contract money stops coming. You either grow up or you go homeless after a while because you can't afford to pay for your monthly car service and rent for your apartment anymore.
Huh how does tattoos have anything to do with being a strong figure
100% it’s not about those things but it’s nothing wrong with the people who enjoy having those things. Getting rid of jewelry and tattoos has nothing to do with maturing, it’s all a mindset type of thing.
I'm still jokingly waiting for T-Mac to make that promise that he was gonna be a school teacher.... Referenced in a short clip in NBA Ballers for the ps2
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That Zion Williamson joke at the end hit like a brick. Hilarious 😂
How didn't I knew about this podcast? Loving the content so got yourself a new follower
I love watching T-macs 1 on 1 league, its the only thing that keeps me sane during this difficult time on this planet. Thank you Tracy
The whole "can he play in my era" argument is fallacious. It assumes that players like Giannis and Steph would not adjust their play to the rules of the past and will play the same way that they do now. Players adjust to whatever the rules are when they're playing.
Steph wouldn't be able to period
@@gravediggass what would happen then if steph is pulling from half court and the defense stretches out to stop him? The whole floor opens up when u have a Shooter like that handling the rock and most guys in that era were not that quick switching assingnements they were very hard headed when defending.
@@fillitesm you're delusional. He wouldn't even make it to the league in that Era shooting like that. He would be forced to play like a true pg ,score by getting to the basket and get fouled.
@@gravediggass and Curry would excel at that too. Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Mamoud Abdul Rauf, Mookie Blaylock, Muggsy Bouges and other small point guards did well in the 90's and Curry is better than all of them.
well there is truth there, some players wouldnt even get playing time if they could not play defense. Giannis would not be the bully-ball-player he is today because of how many bigs there were, he might be how he was when he entered the league.
I hated TMAC when I was growing up (as a player) mainly cuz I was an impressionable kid who LOVED Kobe. I remember we used to argue on the school bus about AI vs Kobe and then Kobe vs TMAC. I always sided with Kobe of course, but in my heart I would fear TMAC the most of taking over Kobe’s spot. As I got a littler older I really appreciated TMACs game and loved watching him. Never really saw him talk much during his career, but it really is awesome watching him talk, he’s so humble.
Same thing happen to me!
Same lol
From 01-03 it was all Kobe vs. Tmac on the school bus
Tmac better talent than kobe. Kobe just better work ethic
@@henryloves their career averages are fairly similar, with Kobe having a slight advantage in scoring and efficiency. Take out the championship factor (which is a TEAM accomplishment), and you could have a legitimate argument. Same could be said of Clyde Drexler.
I swear Shaq is one of the funniest persons alive. I die laughing all the time.
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Your bad
He's hilarious!😂
This one of the wildest stories I never heard but makes perfect sense bc I watched them do it. How Kobe and Shaq don’t help each other against certain stars. Total battle of egos between the best two players in the league at the time. That’s 🔥🔥🔥
I would like T-Mac and Shaq to make their own Podcast. I could listen to them talk for hours. Call it Big Bro/ Little Bro
Shaq got too much clout . T Mac would bring his numbers down. It is what it is though. I’ll still watch it.
Good idea man. I love spice and the lady is nice but honestly why do they even bother ? Just take them both out and let Shaq do the podcast alone. Is not like they're bringing anything to the show. Spice is hilarious but he's just out of place in a Shaq podcast. And I get the lady is just there because of politics
@@chiiknwaayne7705 tf you talking bout T-mac is loved just as much
100%
The appropriate name would be “In our day w/ Shaq & Mac”
Love these guys right here, true warriors of the game and always dropping gems for the younger generation 💯
The end was HILARIOUS 🤣
Dope interview
I remember meeting T-Mac when he was a rookie in Toronto and watching practices seeing all his talent. He's right Darrell Walker was a awful coach. He used to cuss out a rookie T-Mac all the time. I couldn't believe that's how these coaches talked to the players
Pop is like that. But hey, it worked.
@@johncarranza Comparing Pop to Darrell Walker is like comparing a Ferrari to a 1980s Pinto.
@@tevinsherrill5653 I’m only comparing the way coaches talk to their players. There’s absolutely no one compares to Pop.
You worked for the team?
1:52 Went over everyone's head.
Real talk TMAC
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Facts
Facts!💯 Everyone present all over 40 years old talking about being a gangster shouldn't even be in her vocabulary as grown folk🤦♂️🤷♂️.
@@Bo55edup yea it's alot of old folks especially black women acting like 8 year old out here. I've seen countless women in their 50s with the mindset of toddlers.
Tmac has been cloned 🤣🤣
I witnessed Orlando T-mac drop sixty something on the Wizards if i remember correctly. First NBA game i ever saw live and I was in awe of how on-fire he was. It was an effortless 60+ performance too... that's what was most impressive to me
2003 WS/48, T-Mac lead the league in WS/48 (.262) with 75 games played, Shaq was second (.250) with 67 games played, .250 isn’t close at all if you know WS/48.
T-Mac also lead the league in VORP (9.3), KG was second at 8.7, Shaq was 7th (5.5).
T-Mac also lead the league in PER and BPM.
When we look at the recent MVPs, 10 of last 12 winners lead the league in WS/48. With the exception of 2 winners who won by media narrative which was Westbrook and Embiid, they’ve never lead the league in WS/48 in their entire career. Last 3 seasons it was lead by Jokic, the 2 seasons before it was Giannis.
So going by this, MJ should have won 8 MVP, both KG and Dirk should have had 2 each, and T-Mac should have gotten 1.
Helps when you’re playing in the historically weak East, as McGrady was. Against the East that year Duncan had a 25-5 record. Against the West McGrady was 10-17
People really act like former NBA players were allowed to pull out machetes when playing defense. Great players will eat in any era. Some players stats would change based on style of play and pace but the impact would mostly remain the same.
So much respect for T-Mac. Each to their own but I’m with him - no need to flash tattoos or bling when you have riches in the bank and in your heart.
Well said.
no need to hide who u are or were as a person tho. i see alot of black men get money then start erasng their culture. its like they think they arent good enough to do everything
Mr.shmekel maybe that’s how You feel, but some people just like what they like and after so long of liking something it will get old
The man grew up! There should come a time in your life when you realize what is truly important. The girl on this show, (whoever she is) said she's attracted to a man with tattoos, so what! She acts as if someone should be swayed to think and behave a certain way because she's speaking for what women like. T-mac didn't want to be disrespectful, but who gives a f"*< what you find attractive. That man is more concerned about teaching his kids what's important, than to try and live up to your expectations. So your attracted to men v with tattoos, so I'm supposed to live my life according to what you believe is important? Go kick rocks. I like Shaq, but he is very immature. He will never understand where Tmac is coming from.
I swear only broke ppl say this. You can do all that and still be humble. You sound insecure about your own life lmap
Manu was in his rookie year and Parker was in his sophomore year they definitely don’t make the playoffs without Tim, Tim turned that team into a 60 win championship team
Kobe had a better case than tmac. Kobe 02-03 also averaged 30 7 6 but was also first team all defense unlike tmac. Played all 82 games. 9 straight 40 point games.
Preach brother! They did Kobe dirty many times over
2002-2003 TMAC averaged 32.1 points a game. Kobe witch is my man as well. Struggled to win against him. He had nightmares about TMAC. Kobe said himself. He was the only person he couldn’t figure out, because he changed his game so often.
Frl we missing so much would love to hear his take on this
@@CashCollecta 👍
Incorrect! Just looked it up! Kobe averaged 24ppg in 2003. Straight up lie just like the war in Iraq and all the wars.
Tmac is my favorite player of all time. Loved watching him play as a young kid. He single handedly helped me grow to love the game. I remember balling in the white/grey tmacs in middle school. He also had the first pair of shoes I had ever seen be 2 different colors. I think it was the all stars. I heard they are bringing his shoes back too. I gotta grab a pair for the collection..... I'm just here to give the man his flowers though. ALL respect my brother
One of my long time childhood ball buddies actually has a pair of his houston rocket addition all red adidas I love how they started selling those again and the Reebok Q's from Allen Iverson
Legit...
Me too bro I love tmac in Orlando magic
My favorite to
Listening to this makes me miss Kobe. Man, it would have been fun to watch them team up. That would have been Showtime 2.0. It also made me think of all the great players whose career narrative would have been if they hadn't been injured: imagine where they would be on the GOAT list if T-Mac, Grant Hill and Kobe had been able to avoid the major injuries.
kobe didn't get injured until the end of his career. He was already a made man by that point. Not sure why you indluded Kobe on that list.
@@akwwalker8782 facts he prob a lil kid
@@akwwalker8782 Still... Kobe getting injured is pretty much like MJ getting injured for a whole generation .. so yeah . Lol
T Mac was AI, VC , Barkley, (prime) Westbrook, (prime) Harden, Malone, Stockton, CP3 , level .
@@buddyboy4438 your comment is 2 months old but had to tell u to never compare TMac and Wrstbrook again please 🙏 😄
@@zerocal76
Yes please don’t compare Westbrook & McGrady
One is a MVP with 9 All Star appearances and 9 All NBA selections
TMAC, Shaq, and AI was my favorite players of all time.. Tracy was different man. I will never forget he single handedly beat the spurs with like 40 seconds to go. He scored like 11-13 points.. best performance i ever saw.
I love tmac but gotta disagree. Most the arguments people in the comments bring are from after 2003. In 2003 manu was a rookie who was the 57th pick, tony wasn’t a star yet and david robinson was on his last year. That year was Tim Duncan carrying the spurs without a big 3.
Still, Tim didn’t MAKE them, they were great in their own regard
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@@JRMason-ri4ii both u and OP is true if we talking just 2003
@@JRMason-ri4ii the point tmac made was, you take TD off that 2003 team they still make the playoffs. That's not happening. They would get 9-10 seed at best. But shaq is also very wrong saying TD made those guys. They would still become all star caliber players without him in the next couple years.
Providing context makes basketball debates not fun because it ends arguments early. You should just go along with it.
That Zion Williamson line at the end 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
Man I was dying 😭
I love this conversation...but viewing you guys perspective on these topics give me a different idea of how you guys played the game... Good stuff, but Shaq in Toms....my sister loves those joints😂
Idk who produces this show, but it’s dope!! What would add a new dynamic to it is if, they showed the vid of what he’s saying. Like they showed the Smitty clip. To see him guarding GP would have been amazing
I freaking love T-Mac going against the peer pressure and against the grain on the tattoo segment! I freakin love him pretty much calling out that woman that she pretty much wants a gangster as a man!
Tim and TMAC are actually 2 of all-time favorite players of any sport...real skills, team leaders, no hype, and remained the coolest to do it.
Difference is when Duncan was leader they won 5 rings when TMAC was leader they finished last in an extremely weak east
@@ACLA23 tmac didn't have the help he did have pop,David Robinson, kawhi,parker,green,Bowen even horry to help big difference
@@nature-kv3xe You included Bowen and not Ginobili. Kind of funny.
@@DrivenA111 I believe pretty much GInobili was the leader of that team, Tim was consistent but when the games were tough the one who never hesitated was Manu. And people who are not spurs fan wont ever believe it, but you have to watch the whole matches Ive seen Manu play and carry big time games, I believe thats why he is the winninges player In NBA History
@@sofarsogod You mustve didnt hear what Shaq said?
Tim Duncan clearly made Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli. Tracy is just emotional
The Zion joke at the end had me dyinggggg 😭
Tmac was unstoppable in his prime!! Him and Carter at Raptors ♥️♥️
His prime was in Orlando not Toronto
@@sharrieflentz1035 I never said his prime was in Toronto...
@@johnkaasheuvel2860 surely u can see how someone would read that and think that it was atleast implied.
Don't matter
Black mama even said that T-Mac physically was his match
@@rubenocasio9188 'Black mama'
TMac is one of my favorite players in the history of the sport but dude wasn't even top 3 for the MVP award in 2003. His team wasn't the 6th seed they were the 8th seed in the very weak eastern conference. For perspective the Rockets were the 9th seed in the west and didn't make the playoffs, but had a better record. Another thing; The western conference that year had 6 teams with at least 50 wins. The number 1 seed in the east only had 50 wins and were the only team with 50 wins in that conference. Tim Duncan was the driving force of a 60 win team in the west in one of the most competitive conferences we've ever seen. TMac is right that he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs, but let's not act like it was as great of a carry job like Iverson in 2001 or Russ and Harden in 2017. If TMac carried the Magic to the 1st seed in the east with the same stats then we would have a debate, but nah there's no debate on what actually happened.
East was pretty decent those early years
The east was not weak in the 2000s
@@quincytidwell5019 huh?
right thanks for putting things into perspective
Love T-Mac
Thank you Tracy. Please help basketball players learn to grow up.
There's a reason I idolized TMac. It's because his humility and how genuine he is to people.
What McGrady and a lot of fans forget is that 2003 was sort of an in between season for the Spurs. Between the past greatness of David Robinson and the coming greatness of Manu and Tony. David was in his last season, still great at times but suffering from the back injury that finally ended his career. Although still the starter, he actually played fewer minutes than his backup, Rose.
And Tony was still very young, and prone to disappearing at crucial times.
Manu was a rookie with a bad ankle injury at the beginning of the season. He was just beginning to find his place on the Spurs and was q
Yes indeed!
It's sad, but part of the reason relatively younger players such as T-Mac think like this is because the sports media since about 2015 has tried to convince us that the Duncan-led Spurs were a superteam. A superteam that couldn't ever win BTB and went through a finals appearance drought until they got a young Kawhi Leonard to offset an aging Duncan. Shaq is correct here.
The Spurs were a very good team and very consistent team but despite all the credit Popovich used to get, it all hinged on Tim Duncan. His presence made them a 50+ win team every season. But they were never a superteam. Ever. It's just revisionism due largely to the GOAT debate over which some people want to dismiss LeBron's losses to the Spurs in 2007 (wherein LeBron played poorly and lost two very close games in Cleveland) and 2014 (wherein the Heat were absolutely in the series until Kawhi outplayed LeBron the last three games of the series). They weren't THAT good.
Tony became an all star, but he was never a superstar. And Manu was a 6th man who could be clutch but perhaps would've been exposed on another team as the primary option. They're probably going to be hall of famers because they won 4 titles with Duncan, but some people (I think disingenuously) throw that term around too loosely when assessing how talented a team was; there are levels and not every hall of famer was a superstar caliber player (maybe they should've been to be allowed in, but that's NBA hall of fame standards for you).
And to address T-Mac's specific point on the playoffs, maybe the Spurs without Duncan could still make the playoffs in the weak east of those days, but not the west.
@@megavolt67 it's all about what narrative you want to create because the 07 spurs will be labeled too old by the jordan fans in order to diss lebron . see they really arent fans of the old school as much as they are jordan stans. check the hypocrisy though they get salty when you bring up the fact the pistons in 91 were on their last legs from the wars with boston and the lakers from the 80s . teams are only too old when bron faces them lol.They use the same logic against the 2000s Celtics
@@megavolt67 that’s what I said. I love Tmac but he’s tripping here. The west was stacked then. Orlando wouldn’t have made the playoffs out west.
@@ryanr20091 Like Lebron fans say the Heat were old in 2014 just an excuse because they got blown out by the spurs.
I had alot of fun listening to this podcast I can talk or hear basketball all day. Great podcast 👍🏾
T-Mac will always me one of my all time favorites
wonderful discussion
Tmac still has one of the most impressive jumps in stats in modern NBA times, when he arrived to Orlando from Toronto in his first season he went from 34 game starts to 77 with that his stats looked like:
Raptors:
15.4PPG/6.3RBD/3.3AST/1.9BLK/1.1STL on 45/27/70 shooting splits
ORL
26.8PPG/7.5RBD/4.6AST/1.5STL/1.5BLK on 45/35/73 shooting splits
People forget how well of a 2 way player Mac was in his younger days.. 2 blocks a game and steal is huge for a SG/SF.. he had his best defensive days in TOR/ORL with career highs in blocks and rebounds. Really wish TMAC got a ring it’s a shame
Had Yao not broke his foot they may have won 2-3 in a row, they were outplaying the Lakers
Kobe owned that bopty
i think he got one with the spurs
@@calebd.1463 get real bro
@@chrisburns143 Did watch that series they were about to go up 3-1 and he broke his foot. Shane Battier, T MAC and YAO, there were a few more players also.
Tim had one of the greatest Carry jobs of all time in 2003. Tony and Manu are obviously hall of famers, but in 03 Parker was a sophomore point guard that was always getting chastised by pop lol and Manu was a 25 year old rookie. Great role players no doubt but not even close to what they ended up becoming. Tim that playoffs was a possessed man on a mission. He single handedly destroyed the the 3peat lakers enroute to a title.
i think they have old david robinson in 03 to nobody mention it like he is not a part of the team
Dirk in 2011 thwarts the rest
Facts
@@florencesmith8879 i agree, he had good players around him but everyone was out of their prime by that point..
Actually Robert Horry choked out that seriez for the lakers. He was completely trash in that series. Ko Horry and Lakers beat the Spurs that yr. Look it up. 0-18 from 3. Garbage fg% terrible on defense fhat series and 0-8fg in the clutch.
As a life long Magic fan, it hurts my heart that Shaq never came back to Orlando to play with TMac. I feel like with them being so close and having Orlando ties, it would have made a dream scenario to have Shaq back to Orlando and bring us a Championship that we should have won back when Penny was here. Shaq would have redeemed himself to the city and Tmac maybe would have retired in Orlando. Both their jerseys would be hanging in the rafters today if it played out like that
@@thedodger4886 idk why these small market teams dont secure they stars. if they ever go to a bigger market with structure and good coaching, ur done. thats self sabotage
@@RobinXlone That's what the supermax contract is for. It allows small market teams to keep their stars. The only downside is that some teams are forced to give supermax deals to players who haven't proven themselves yet.
I remember taking the bus to the mall in Toronto to get my hat signed by Tracy and Carter. Good time memories. I also remember seeing Shaq in Vegas hotel and was afraid to say hi. He was big like a giant.
TMAC just dropped a GEM on ALL hoopers and trainers
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The look he gave Shaq when he said “add on to they lady parts” 😂
😂😂 shaq said “relax”
THAT WAS HILARIOUS!!!! I watched it literally 7x’s
Anyone who watched the NBA in the early 2000's were blessed. We had AI, Kobe, T-Mac, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Vince Carter, Shaq, Duncan, Jason Williams, etc. They were real hoopers.
I was just thinking that the early 2000 NBA really changed basketball around the world
90s and 00s was the best in my opinion
Real facts👏🏻they say the 80s was golden age of basketball but for me it’s the early 2000s
@@camlovesjesus8872 2000's was the pinnacle of flashy and beautiful looking. You cant look better than the 2000's. Was better than a japanese manga
T-Mac was the only guy that truly matched up with 1st prime LeBron. He really played well against Cavs 1.0 Bron.
I read some where (maybe Bleacher?) about how Steph learned how to tumble after his ankle injury and that has helped him quite a bit when he drives to the hoop. He intentionally falls/tumbles to cushion his landing avoiding injuries. However, you cant stop father time though.
Very interesting
Yeah and now everything player falls when they drive to the basket.....maybe curry is responsible for revolutionizing that too
I think derrick rose wouldve continued dominating if he learned that too. Everytime he lands it looked like his legs were about to break
@@siriusblack7714 its way better than landing on someones ankle and twisting yours in the process. Most of these injuries happen because the player is paying way too much attention to the ball in the air and not paying attention/prepping to land from their jump. D Wade was good at tumbling too.
I think most players now days fall for a bail out foul call from refs...
@@Peampiin 100% they do and I just find it annoying
The first part of this interview hearing TMac talk about his growth sounds like a man who found God for real. Good for him, love to hear it! And home girl was low key shootin her shot lol
I thought he was just me. He straight kept it professional though. So much respect for this man!!!
Lol from Steph Curry range
@@DrSwyts For sure!
@@venomous418 Lol
He didn’t even budge, when she did that. She barking up the wrong tree.
I remember watching Shaq play. It was crazy. It looked unfair. He changed everything
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A generational talent. The big Shaqsquatch
In the Western Conference in 03 there's a real shot San Antonio doesn't make the playoffs without Duncan. The thing nobody talks about is how great players mask the weaknesses of others. Take Duncan off that team, suddenly you realize David Robinson ain't good enough to man the paint defensively himself, you really see how broke Tony Parker's jumpshot was during that time, and you get more reckless plays from Manu Ginobli and Stephen Jackson. It ain't just about taking production off the team it's how it trickles down to everyone else.
Tmac is awesome. love the tattoo discussion. He is old school. Miss watching him play ball.
Why is this not on prime time Television? That show is amazing. I love the authenticity, and simplicity of the show!
Cause the Women admits she in China’s pocket and just tries to overtake someone by stating something nobody cares about?
Full on respect for T-Mac! This guy is doing his best to better influence the next generation and better himself. I want to get the nicest exotic whip, tats, and everything else but tbh that’s not real and it ain’t worth it. Keep it simple and your life will be better 😌
I started watching basketball when tmac was on the rockets an he became ny favorite basketball player of all time still is he made me fall in love with basketball
I feel TMac. I feel just like this around my old friends.
2003 Tim Duncan was a monster, he carried the spurs to the title almost single-handedly, ginobili was a rookie, Parker was 21 years old, Robinson was only a shell of his former self, so T-Mac is being ridiculous
People who didn't watch prime Duncan play needs to understand that he was basically Rudy on the defensive end and AD on the offensive end.... also carried himself consistently as a leader like Jokic through 80+ games and winning the chip. Sorry TMAC but there's really no debate.
A “shell” of a HoF is still better than most players
@@spacebjorn Tim Duncan was leagues better defensively than gobert don’t ever compare them again
@@thatboylije7892 Tim was a legend...but Rudy will go down as one of the greatest defensive anchors in history. Nothing wrong with the comparison in that regard.
@@karimw.9954 stop
MJ, Kobe, TMac, AI, the scorers have that Ali mentality that when they walk into the gym, they own it. But for TMac to say that he eclipsed Duncan in 03 was incorrect. Spurs won the 03 championship because TD carried them through a prime Shaq and Kobe, an offensive juggernaut in the Mavs, followed by a Nets team with a prime JKidd and RJ and KMart as lob targets. The second best player on that Spurs team was Captain Jack. Manu, although a grizzled Euro vet, was still an NBA rookie finding his place in the league and on the roster. Parker was still a 3rd year player and not up to JKidd’s level. I think the regular season MVP needs to be determined after the finals or immediately after the regular season ends. They also need to clarify the benchmarks that a player needs to surpass to qualify for the award.
I wish TMac and TD would have teamed up. A Lakers-Magic finals would have been pretty exciting!
17:54 in 03, he lead in scoring (per game, per 36 & per 100) lead in VORP, BPM, PER & WIN shares per 48… T Mac had a compelling case for MVP..
Jeff Hornacek was on the Jazz team that swept the 1998 Lakers in WCF that had Shaq, young Kobe, Eddie Jones and Nick the Quick (4 All stars).
That Utah Jazz team shows that athleticism and raw talent doesnt win but IQ and team play. They played together for so many years and assembled good group of supporting teammates with good coach. If it wasnt for Jordan they would have 2 championships.
@@mrfatuchi you mean if it wasn't for Rodman.
@@patrickgrady7505 Rodman didn’t get his usual rebounds against the Mailman.
Rodman played terrible against Malone, especially in '97. They mostly were putting Toni Kukoc, Brian Williams and Luc Longley on Malone. '98 went a little better for Rodman. But he wasn't remotely like he was in '96 against Kemp.
My favorite nba player of all time. Loved him playing for the magic.
That Zion joke to end the interview 😂😂😂
If we're talking the 07 Spurs when Tony was entering his prime.. yeah the Spurs would have been a playoff team without Timmy. But not in 03, Tony was too young, Manu was a rookie
Even during the 05 Spurs. Long haired Manu was killing the Pistons
@@AqwDragulum Manu should have been 05 FMVP. Even in 2004, Tony and Manu were two of the best guards in the league. It took that Derek Fisher 0.4 shot to beat them.
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Tony Parker’s prime was much later: 2011 to 2015. Probably top 5 in the world at that point. Besides Curry, I don’t think any point guard got close to that level (maybe CP3).
@@AqwDragulum Not on the road, Manu was terrible there and Duncan had to hold for 7 games.
That's why he had FMVP.
TMAC was one of my favorite players ever.
MAJORR Factss💯
@@gabrielalele8603 also Vince Carter cousin …
What sneakers do t max have on ? They look dope fr
The ending was hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
crying at Tracy's serious face when he's telling Shaq not to take his shoes off
That man traumatized
Putting crazy numbers on bad teams is easier than in good teams because you gotta sacrifice. A good example is when Jordan had no help he put the craziest numbers of his career. Averaged like 37ppg, but when his teammates got better the numbers dropped. Does that mean that the 87 Jordan was better than 91? No
That's a terrible example because those 37pts were based on not playing in the triangle. The triangle was about ball sharing. We saw the same from kobe when he averaged 35 one year. As soon and Phil came back his numbers dipped.
You can also argue it can tougher to put up numbers on a bad team because there the opponents can focus more on that 1 player to take them out of their impact for their team. Sometimes it’s easier and sometimes it’s tougher
I don't think you are making the point you think you're making. Firstly the best year of Jordan's career was the 35 ppg season the year after that 37 point season. There are metrics that measure that. The 91 season was better than the 37 point season but not better than the 35 point season, which is probably the single best individual season in the history of the NBA... the fact it did not result in a championship is due to the talent around Jordan. Point is PPG does not indicate anything, you are 100% right about that, but In T-Mac's case though the 02 season isn't just about PPG, every advanced metric for example Box/+-, VORP, PER, Win Shares etc. had him ranked as the most impactful player in the NBA that season. Offensively by a country mile, and also overall... now it's also completely true that metrics we have now are fantastic at tracking offene but poor at capturing defensive impact soyou can absolutely make the argument 100% that Tim's defensive impact puts him on top of McGrady. But to disregard Grady as putting up big numbers on a bad team doesn't hold any water. His impact on the team was enormous. That Magic team could have been challenging for worst record in NBA history without McGrady, and that's no exageration. They had several key rotation players that wouldn't have been on the roster of 90% of NBA teams that year,.
@@kevinchavis2755 The thing is what "numbers" are we talking about? PPG is a bad stat, everyone knows that. But McGrady's advanced stats were insane that year, better than anyones. Those stats descriminate between bad players that put up big numbers on bad teams and actual studs stuck in bad teams.
Kemba Walker was putting 60 point games in the Charlotte Hornets and carried them to a bottom playoff team, when he went to Boston he quickly became an average starter
Its gotta be somewhat hurtful at some point to be that good but not get any real recognition. Banging with the best to ever do it like kobe and not even getting recognized. T-mac you one of my favorite players i wish you coulda stayed healthy