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  • Опубліковано 20 гру 2024

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  • @audiotoolshed
    @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +7

    What would have been a better name for this plugin?

    • @BF-up5xw
      @BF-up5xw Рік тому +1

      Edward Woodward. Or, if you are so inclined, Denzel.

    • @GTSongwriter
      @GTSongwriter Рік тому

      Rehasher. --- if they use that name, I want the plugin for free 🤩

    • @samuelvelhomusic
      @samuelvelhomusic Рік тому +2

      TEOTE's clone lite.

    • @alexlandyhill
      @alexlandyhill Рік тому

      Equality or Enhance

    • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
      @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Рік тому

      Wavesfactory ImpromptEQ (a portmanteau play of words on "impromptu eq")
      Wavesfactory DynRecalibrator (" " " " " on "dynamic eq auto recalibrator")
      Wavesfactory Adhoc as a third option.

  • @oscarlamas9947
    @oscarlamas9947 Рік тому +11

    I downloaded a trial version and applied it to several already mixed tracks. I particularly focussed on strummed acoustic steel string guitars that I had trouble sitting properly in the mix and vocals. I was very surprised with the results. They were subtle but perfect. It took me little tweaking to get the exact result I was seeking. Very impressive. I also Use Gullfoss, Soothe2, Reso and Smooth Operator. This is different to me.
    Very nice. I will be purchasing it.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +2

      It's amazing how different some of the reactions here are. Good to hear it works out great for you!

    • @everybodyhasoul5438
      @everybodyhasoul5438 Рік тому +1

      What is the difference between this and the others?

    • @tendingtropic7778
      @tendingtropic7778 Рік тому

      @@everybodyhasoul5438 yes i'd like a more detailed comparison too!

  • @WildAnalog
    @WildAnalog Рік тому +10

    The good thing about Wavesfactory is that the developer listens to the community. Subsequently, they update their plugins based on feedback. Its good to get in on their plugins early with the intro prices.

  • @Phat-Monkey
    @Phat-Monkey Рік тому +22

    The dev answered the pink noise question at Gearspace, quote: "To elaborate, the plugin doesn't strive to mimic a predetermined curve. The algorithm, a product of my own design, calculates the gain to apply to each band in reference to itself; it doesn't rely on any external reference"

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +8

      Yeah i know, but it's described in such a vague way I decided to simply run it through some analysis ;-)
      That's also why i said pink-ish ^^

    • @saardean4481
      @saardean4481 Рік тому

      Interesting. I Wonder if Hornet Plugins “ThirtyOne” Eq works in a similar way.

    • @angurishudesu
      @angurishudesu Рік тому +6

      What does that even mean

    • @josepapiii
      @josepapiii Рік тому +3

      Which is funny because The Mars Citizen (which helped in the development of the plugin) said on his channel that the tilt knob goes from pink noise to brown noise as a target

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      @josealbertoum5149 to add more to the confusion: the developer also mentions in that gearspace thread that the plugin was not developed to use pink noise but the plugin seems to favor adjustments which resemble pink noise 😅

  • @BF-up5xw
    @BF-up5xw Рік тому +5

    The 'eq drawing' bit is, as far as I can tell, like a multi-band version of the intensity knob, allowing you to control how much processing is done per band. The wet/dry mix is interesting too, allowing for something akin to parallel compression. I'm impressed that this plugin is looking to do something different, and by the fact that it isn't an automated, machine-learning, fix-it-for-you device. It does something - the equalising, based on the source signal (not pink noise, apparently) - that the user cannot; but then the user controls how that is deployed in considerable detail.
    As your spitting vocal example shows, though, it has to be used carefully and could make things worse. So, the usual rule applies: never put on a plugin except to achieve a specific objective (excepting playtime and learning/practice). Of course, I break that rule all the time; but I'm an eejit, as well as a beginner!

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Yeah EQ drawing is sort of a sidechain filter, sensitivity dial or alike which you have in for instance soothe 2.
      Yeah it's not pink noise, but something alike, shrouded in mystery. My assumption is simply it does have sort of curve and the plugin decides on the fly if it needs an increase or decrease on that band. Maybe the minimum attack of 10ms plays into that as well.

  • @DirettoIZM
    @DirettoIZM Рік тому +11

    Looks quite useful. I really like that you can draw in your own curve. I'll watch your reviews of the comparable plug-ins to see how they measure up. Thanks!

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Sure thing!

    • @robbeservaes3625
      @robbeservaes3625 Рік тому +2

      pretty sure you can't really draw in your own curve, the shape you draw just determines the amount of processing applied to each band

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      @robbeservaes3625 you describe perfectly what's happening.

    • @NovianLeVanMusic
      @NovianLeVanMusic Рік тому +1

      Drawing your own curve sounds pretty amazing, actually.

  • @breitbanddesign
    @breitbanddesign Рік тому +5

    I like simple solutions like Reso and Smooth Operator so i immediately bought this one today. And its great. Stuff like Soothe2 or Gulfoss i find overpriced and stuff like Teote and DSEQ3 i find too complicated. So Equalizer is just right!

  • @cottoo1
    @cottoo1 Рік тому +3

    Another plugin optimizing a certain sound. I am waiting for a plugin that could properly level/mix a few sounds together.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +2

      AYAIC's mix monolith does soemthing like that to an extend, but it can be involved. It uses LUFS based levels for certain instruments which you can set.

  • @NeverduskX
    @NeverduskX Рік тому +4

    I'm a bit confused by this plugin. What's the difference between Equalizer and a dynamic EQ like MAutoDynamicEQ or EQuivocate assigned a custom curve to match (from either pink noise or a reference track)? Or something like Gullfoss / Teote, which have their own built-in curves? All four of these plugins can already shape / "optimize" a track's curve to a target, and the first two have a lot of options / customization for reaching or choosing that target.
    While it's probably competing in price and workflow, I'm still trying to figure out whether Equalizer brings something new to the table.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +4

      I'd say it's timing and a slightly different approach.
      But it is mostly an alternative to Teote and Gullfoss, which is something we should applaud. Competition between brands is good for us as customers.

    • @greedokenobi3855
      @greedokenobi3855 Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshedWell said, exactly my initial thoughts.

    • @cachelesssociety5187
      @cachelesssociety5187 Рік тому

      I agree with the WhiteNoiseStudio. I think its timing.

  • @GloveBunniesVideos
    @GloveBunniesVideos Рік тому +2

    Great video! I've been using Newfangled Audio's Equivocate plugin with a pink noise generator equalized with a specific curve, and then using Equivocate's Match EQ feature with the pink noise fed into the side chain. The results are supposed to be much more listenable. I'm not sure how this works or why, but I admit the results are pleasing. So much I still don't know...

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Pink noise is a noise curve which has a
      Frequency distribution which happens to match what we humans like to hear in generally. More lows with a slope downward to less highs.

    • @GloveBunniesVideos
      @GloveBunniesVideos Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed Thanks!

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      Yes!

  • @saardean4481
    @saardean4481 Рік тому +1

    I bought it yesternight. Haven’t installed it yet. Now I saw your video and before I saw the one by Folia Studio. It’s weird but this is a rare case where even though I love some of their plug-ins in this case, I don’t feel I need it and it might have been a premature purchase

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      I'd say give it time to get a feel where and if you would use it. You already bought it, so no hurry ;-)

    • @saardean4481
      @saardean4481 Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed exactly. Now that I prematurely pulled the trigger I guess I have to raise the result now :-)

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      All the possibilities for dirty jokes now ;-)

    • @saardean4481
      @saardean4481 Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed hahahaha silly joke but just happened I guess 🙂

  • @sha3439
    @sha3439 7 місяців тому

    It uses white noise on high end to balance the mix.

  • @jessicad.555
    @jessicad.555 Рік тому +4

    Which plugin do you think make a better job? Wavesfactory equalizer or TEOTE? I've tested both today and to my ears TEOTE sounds more musical.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      You answered your own question. If you prefer Teote, then teote is the best plugin of the two for you. And that is excellent!

  • @watsonstudios
    @watsonstudios Рік тому +3

    Played with the demo on a full mix, didn't really like it. Too much pumping and adjusting the bands didn't really effect the overall cuts or boosts. The tilt was useful but I can do that with other eqs. Might be better on individual tracks. I can see this being useful on acoustic guitars, maybe vocals.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      Have you tried it in parallel with the mix dial?

    • @maxterwel
      @maxterwel Рік тому

      Same, also it boosts sub and can't boost midrange which is where the plugin would sound the best.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      @maxterwel it can if you draw the eq

    • @maxterwel
      @maxterwel Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed Very slightly even at Max that I can't really hear a difference, and the high band will be always higher.

  • @tendingtropic7778
    @tendingtropic7778 Рік тому +1

    Hmm I'm drawn, as I like wavesfactory trackspacer/spectre. But I already own Soothe 2 and Gulfoss. Will this bring something truly different/useful?

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      I you won those, not much. Maybe you prefer how Equalizer sounds.

  • @mrvron
    @mrvron Рік тому

    Why the reverb
    Sounds like a trick to me

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      Because it's on the track to not have it bone dry. the plugin doesnt do this.

  • @jclokwork
    @jclokwork 4 місяці тому

    Does the issue with Cubase still exist?

  • @timchristmann9167
    @timchristmann9167 Рік тому +1

    Hey, thanks for the video :) Would you recommend using the plugin on every track seperatly or lay it on the final mix-track? Or maybe both? Thanks

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      I would use it sooner on individual tracks.

    • @timchristmann9167
      @timchristmann9167 Рік тому +1

      @@audiotoolshed Thanks a lot! Are you using it on every track or just on some?

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Only on tracks where you have doubt and difficulty in getting it right. The lesser the better usually.

    • @timchristmann9167
      @timchristmann9167 Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed Thanks man :)

  • @oh515
    @oh515 Рік тому

    What exact is this doing that Gullfoss doesn’t?

  • @davidkovach-tangier
    @davidkovach-tangier Рік тому

    So like... Ceilings Of Sound Pro? or...? Very different terminology at least.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      Ceilings of sound pro is very clear to what curves it adjusts the audio, but it is a static ''fix''. The WavesFactory is constantly adjusting and quite vague on what the target curves are. COS is also rather complex.

  • @Drfresh1402
    @Drfresh1402 Рік тому

    That’s the best I’ve ever heard the track at 5:18 sound.

  • @cachelesssociety5187
    @cachelesssociety5187 Рік тому

    ...Just as I thought - thanks for analyzing this. Pink noise curve, which is the Gullfoss approach as well. But is Soothe2's dynamics smoothing also a part of this? Gullfoss doesn't expose an attack/release whereas this does, which leads me to think this may be a blend between the function and philosophy of Gullfoss, and the effort to allow the relative control of this function at each of its 32 bands, like with Soothe2, for de-cymbalizing, for brittle dynamics smoothing and for de-essing for example. Gullfoss has the high/low thing, but its limited to on/off (by dragging the extremities to make a cutoff at the top and bottom. Whereas you can use this on drums or vocals and control the effect relative to transients, by shortening or lengthening the attack and/or release.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      Soothe 2 and gulffoss are different tools imho, often named together but they have different goals in mind.

    • @cachelesssociety5187
      @cachelesssociety5187 Рік тому

      @@audiotoolshed Yeah, totally different end result, but comparable in terms of complexity of process - Do you use a spreadsheet to compare these things? It gets pretty intense to make some of your excellent comparison videos I imagine. I mean, much is hidden to the user, but there are a staggering number of variables that could be analyzed - with some upgrade to Plugin Doctor.

  • @shogunarki1139
    @shogunarki1139 Рік тому +7

    I want moar of these, not those lazy analog emulations bs
    Analog Emus are not bad but they bring nothing more to the table :v
    If they want to do analog emu plugins just add a twist to it like how Arturia or SSL do it

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      I want to lay down in my chair in the garden and enjoy the lovely weather while my mixes get done automatically.

    • @shogunarki1139
      @shogunarki1139 Рік тому +1

      @@audiotoolshed Sonible =))

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      izotope ^^

  • @thetransposedheads
    @thetransposedheads Рік тому +1

    is the same as Gullfoss plugin?

  • @bluematrix5001
    @bluematrix5001 Рік тому +1

    how you compare this plugin vs Gulfoss? or even smarEQ3/

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Without actually comparing and from memory, I'd say this plugin is more transparent than Gullfoss, that one can sound somewhat hyped at times. But take this with a grain of salt, I didn't compare them side by side.

  • @PharaohLawLess1
    @PharaohLawLess1 Рік тому

    I played with this plugin yesterday demoing it. It’s kinda like the Gullfoss plugin

  • @Cefshah
    @Cefshah Рік тому +1

    "EquaFreq"?
    Also, great video (as usual), and a nice plugin to add to my arsenal (especially at the introductory sale price!!

  • @nedring987
    @nedring987 Рік тому +1

    Can this be routed through gpu to reduce cpu load?

  • @harveynkosi6356
    @harveynkosi6356 Рік тому +2

    I feel it gets a little spitty too, but useful to some extent .. definitely a thumbs up from me 👍🏾

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      It does! especially percussive material will benefit from that I'd say. On vocals sometimes a bit too much.

  • @tekrahmuzik777
    @tekrahmuzik777 Рік тому +1

    Must test it...

  • @spicewiczmusic
    @spicewiczmusic Рік тому

    how about soothe vs gulfoss vs this?

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      That would make sense. I did a comparison between those 2 and more in the video which I linked. Need more new plugins to justify a complete new video.

  • @Beatsbasteln
    @Beatsbasteln Рік тому +1

    that was some valuable content! didn't know yet that it uses pink noise. smart finding! however i'd like to tell you that you probably use the word "time domain" wrong. a lot of filters are implemented in the time domain and can be picked up by plugin doctor easily. actually most filters. the real reason why plugin doctor and eq curve analyzer are quite useless on this plugin is, because there are nonlinear processes (compression) in it that interfere with the attempt to just try to measure what the filters are doing.
    about your other finding with the laggy visuals: that's probably due to the plugin not using openGL for graphics rendering. openGL uses the graphics card, which saves CPU, but it was also discontinued by Apple a few years ago, is extremely hard to implement and often crashes on very specific systems, so developers sometimes avoid it entirely. a JUCE based plugin, that doesn't use openGL typically renders all GUI aspects on the so-called message thread, which is a shared thread across all JUCE plugins of your project. So I wouldn't be surprised if those lags were different in each new project depending on how many JUCE plugins run at the same time.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      I wouldn’t claim it uses pink noise, but it’s something along those curves it seems. Plugin Doctor is extremely bad at detecting anything which is later in actual time. Most likely because small short clicks are used in PD and with plugin like this, it is too short to measure. Try split eq for fun as example as well.

    • @Beatsbasteln
      @Beatsbasteln Рік тому +1

      @@audiotoolshed yeah it's definitely a time-thing, but not a time domain thing. sry if i'm being nitpicky, but time domain just refers to dsp processors that directly process the input signal as a waveform, and that's contrasted by frequency domain dsp processors, which convert that wave into something spectral before going on. filters can be both time- and spectral domain, it doesn't matter. plugin doctor catches all of that, because all filters have in common that when they are run on a single impulse, you get the impulse response of that filter. that's how plugin doctor and eq curve analyzer work.
      but again, it's just a term. you definitely meant the right thing and i think your message came across perfectly well

  • @СергейБоголюбский-ш3ь
    @СергейБоголюбский-ш3ь 9 місяців тому

    Why it’s trying to boost at the edges? Who really needs information below 30 hz or above 15 khz on vocal ie? Thats wierd…. It’s definitely needs big knobs to easily limit edges reduction .

  • @gooshie3
    @gooshie3 Рік тому +4

    Tried it out today. Hated it. It's actually counterintuitive to what is needed for mixing. Individual tracks sound clear, yes, but cold and sterile, but bring the tracks into a mix and the pointlessness of the plugin becomes clear. Everything is masked by everything else because that curve is applied to everything. Mastering is cold and sterile also. People, just learn how to mix. I love Wavesfactory's Spectre but this is just gimmick

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      Of course you need to learn to mix ;-)
      I can see the usefulness for a plugin like this to help sculpting stuff. You can adjust the curve to your liking as well. The best usecase would be audio which has many changing resonant frequencies which are hard to many with a regular eq.

    • @gooshie3
      @gooshie3 Рік тому +1

      @@audiotoolshed I suppose the marketing is not right though. A problem solver (de essing and such), yes, it might be useful, but using it as they recommend, it's not much good for me. Gulfoss is still the king!

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +1

      I love soothe2 for that.

  • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
    @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Рік тому +1

    Basically a slap in the face to Soundtheory's Gullfoss and to slap in the face to SoundRadix's SurferEQ.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      I think that especially Gullfoss has a very strong brand, they won't have to worry that much.

  • @Taylor370z
    @Taylor370z Рік тому +1

    What i thought was most interesting that the dev said was. All the calculations and adjustments are made for every single sample at zero latency.
    I tried the demo and sounded good to me. I dont own Soothe, Gulfoss or SmartEQ3 like a lot are comparing it too.
    Any recommendations in that department? They all seems quite different or for different purposes to me but not 100% sure
    Edit: nvm. Watching the video you already made on it. Haha

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      hehehe. The zero latency thing can be very interesting for some. Live use and all.

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer5492 Рік тому

    It seems sorry of like a multi-band dynamic EQ version of vocal rider (not just applied to vocals obviously). Maybe it would work well for certain kinds of electronic dance music..... But it doesn't really feel organic enough for my purposes. Gulfoss seems more subtly tuned to sound more natural. I think I'll pass. Thanks for the video.

  • @erewrw1906
    @erewrw1906 Рік тому

    I wouldnt use this. Especially not as a go to Problemsolver at the Start. I would use this as few as i can.. I mean if you already have Fabfilter MB, i find that one easyer to just focus on one specific Frequency.. lol
    Having the whole Spectrum doing just something ... all at once.. no.. not for me.

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому

      You can let the plugin work on specific part with that draw function. For single frequencies I use pro-q3.

    • @erewrw1906
      @erewrw1906 Рік тому

      ​@@audiotoolshed yes ive seen you did draw the "treshold" Curve..
      , i just thought i make a bit of critical Comment, cause this is just one of the Things that sound "cool" in the first moment, and later on you discover that it sounds a bit boring. Many folks who send their Mix further later might incoporate suboptimal dulled Mixes with that Plugin. So, people be aware that just leaving this Plugin on Full spectrum, man it may sound cool, but a pro, well... i dont think he would use this on full spectrum that often..
      Pros sometimes use like mentioned a Multiband Compressor.. You crgue this is also Multiband, yes it is, but this uses like 40 Bands, whera a normal Multiband Compressor uses like 4, or 5..
      And sometimes yes, you would turn all 5 Bands on..But you wuld adjust each of the 5 bands by hand.. A bit too much, and you easily end up with a wishy washy sound..
      And i see this one just as hard to adjust 40 bands each.. Also, my feeling says , the wishy whashy sound- mistacke may result faster the more BAnds you have.. Im just meaning: im sceptical.. i would not even touch this.. Use your Fabfilter Multiband thigy if youre beginner, so you can learn.. from this i have problems to dig what happens to the sound.. (i work since 7 years in mastering) . i just think for newbies its difficult to use this.. all good. peace

  • @GTSongwriter
    @GTSongwriter Рік тому +1

    You want a Cherry Slurpee, don't you?

  • @dernuniverse9813
    @dernuniverse9813 Рік тому

    Voxengo this is call Teote

  • @roberteismann1929
    @roberteismann1929 Рік тому

    It seems to make everything sound quite nervous. Me no likey.

  • @shyamlok
    @shyamlok Рік тому

    Gullfos Makes more sense than this

  • @c3lf287
    @c3lf287 Рік тому

    Unbearable!!

  • @adithyasatheesh127
    @adithyasatheesh127 Рік тому +2

    Wrong message mate !!!! Wrong message !!!. As a mixing engineer yourself which I'm obviously assuming from the type of content you put out on UA-cam, you shouldn't be advocating for plugins that would mix the song for us. I haven't watched the whole video. Just a 40 seconds of it. But that's what you said in the beginning. "What if there was a plugin that would mix the song for you". NOPE. Thanks. !!!

    • @audiotoolshed
      @audiotoolshed  Рік тому +16

      Ha! Triggered ;-)

    • @JakeyWakey
      @JakeyWakey Рік тому

      There is already

    • @adithyasatheesh127
      @adithyasatheesh127 Рік тому +1

      @@audiotoolshed I'll be honest I'm not triggered cuz honestly I don't care. I open UA-cam only for plugin demos that channels like yours do and not for mixing tuts. But some of your videos are really good. And I know your channel's growing fast. The last thing you'd want to convince your viewers would be that, a plugin can mix the song for on their way to a Grammy award.

    • @bobbyweezer
      @bobbyweezer Рік тому +1

      Lol

    • @urbanman1516
      @urbanman1516 Рік тому +4

      Give me a break. As if any plugin could mix a whole song properly for you. In the wrong hands, this plugin would be useless. These plugins are just tools, not mixing replacements. I don't think any real mixing/mastering engineer right now is fearing losing their job because this plugin was released.

  • @MegaMixking
    @MegaMixking Рік тому

    EQSootheSpace - lol