Total War: Thrones of Britannia - Siege of Dun Patraic (Massive Battles)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- We wage an epic multi-pronged battle for the settlement of Dun Patraic with Circenn defending against Mide led by Indypride. CA has done an amazing jobs with sieges in Thrones of Britannia and I am sure you will have a blast!
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"Dun Patriac"
"Down Patrick"
Downpatrick, where I went to school!
No sieges though...
What school?
Who's askin'?
Some green high cunt just
Same
A glorious Glasgow kiss comin yer wae .
I get that not every place had a wall or palisade, but why the hell would you build a redoubt or keep in the center and then leave it open? No gates. no barricade you can close, wide open and usually they give you a garrison that's too small to even cover the openings.
Wow when they said they upsized the cities compared to history they weren't kidding.
You actually won! Congrats, very fun battle to watch
I'm glad great fortresses are back, that's the one unforgivable part of TW warhammer for me. I hope they make them great in warhammer III and the china one
Thanks for the video. I'm going to be using Circenn and this is the best video I've see showing that faction. Looks like crossbow and high level sword will be keys for this faction.
I've been defending the total war people for a while, and have always wanted a viking game, but I feel like they're just being lazy as shit and releasing the same game with an overhauled setting.This should definitely be an expansion for Attila.
I think they should make a new engine.
Edit: I know there are a lot of things that are improved, but I can't help but feel like a modder could make this if they had more freedom.
it is an expansion. pretty much. stand alone which is better for people who don't want to buy attila. and if you think a 40 dollar expansion is too much, just look at xcom.
For that price they are not asking to much and at least for me i was never nor will i ever be interested in buying Attila. I can't point out any one thing i don't like about Attila but it just does not speak to me. This do however and i would probably never buy this if i had to buy Attila first.
to be fair, most of the changes to TOB is in how the campaign map works. battles might be just attila clones, but the troop system gives the game a completely different feel.
instead of just tossing soldiers at the enemy, you suddenly have to conserve your troops, at least in the early to mid-game.
late game is mostly the same autoresolvefest tho.
How historically accurate are the battering ram and siege towers? Because they look fairly identical to Roman ones in previous games :P
P. Sinnet we dont really hear of much artillery and siege towers in this particular time period/area. I really wish CA had introduced some new mechanics to make sieges interesting without them.
There are only so many ways to build a wodden siege tower
ladders or climbing gear/hook ropes would be more into the style of it and large tree freshly choped for a ram.
as far as i remember they didnt disappear after bringing down a gate
@P.Sinnet It's a computer game and thus fiction. Nothing here is historically accurate, but it doesn't have to! It's supposed to be fun and cater for our need to picture the past in an interactive and visually compelling way. And that I feel it does amazingly! :)
Hmmmm I'm going to call bullshit! Reminds me of the rome 2 tw showing.
The Galoglass were Viking mercenaries in Ireland so it wouldn’t be unusual for them to use Dane axes considering grate swords were not being used commonly at this point.
The Circenn are ABSOLUTELY NOT in modern day England
The siege mechanisms are superb, it's the combat that worries me. It seems that units are just cosmetically different for the most part, 1 on 1 combat mechanics do not seem to even match Rome 2 sparring in this video... Those crossbows, with their cost and effectiveness, seem to be too strong?
Would like to see some more sieges, this map def. needed more soldiers in the battles (y) great video none the less
Well, 1 on 1 combat isn't really how fighting was done in that era, though. A lot of 1 on 1 combat would look neat, but would be very unrealistic, and in my opinion, TW is already quite unrealistic, so I don't mind it.
Doesn't mean though that the animation doesn't look bad, or that I think they def. should improve it.
Those are some huge ass viking ships :D
I have always thought it would be cool if the developers allowed you to create your own faction from scratch. You could create units and uniforms, pick religion and culture. Stuff like that. Then u could use your faction in online battles.
uploaded on my birthday :D love your commentary dude
happy birthday
Those longboats are massive, Surely the scandinavians never made boats as big as Bronze Age Galleys?
Irish pronunciation: Dùn Patraic is pronounced Dune Patrick (meaning the fort of Patrick, today it's called Downpatrick).
Midhe is pronounced like Mead, the modern county is now called Meath and it means "middle".
The defensive settlement looks like a gigantic eye.
the fighting animations look like shit :/
seriously what happened to the awesome animations from Shogun
Different era/place, different animations.
Its called progress dude
"different era, different animations"
so in real 900 AD battles, people just hit each other on the shield in the same exact animation before randomly falling over?
ok dude. nice excuse for lazy coding
Mcface I have a master degree in Warfare History and i can tell you for sure that 80 percent of casualties were due to Heart attacks and fire arrows. Many braves were killed by the stress.
Mcface Only so many ways to swing a sword
I never understood armor piercing crossbows in games like these. Crossbows only reached the power of a war bow in the 14th and 15th centuries.
It’s in literally every game that has crossbows. It makes sense for gameplay kind of, but I still don’t like it.
the fact is the long bow has reached the power before the 14 it's just the weapons were only used in wales so it's a local weapon that why the english make so much time to control the walesr...
we all know it in 14 and 15 cause of the utilisation of this weapon during the french war and withou that the rosbif will be easily dompted in battlefield ;) so yes the long bow was used before the 14th. and maybe if you read the description of units in the game u will see that we have founded some archer tombs from this time !!
Ships should be about 60% smaller the historicism has disappeared from these titles
I'm pretty sure those factions had some similarly sized boats
No, they didn't, and they didn't look like that at all. Also only the vikings had actual longboats. They were sleek little things without the trireme decks shown in this clip. The rowers were the soldiers, and they sat right next to the shield wall. When they were done rowing, they'd raise up and strum their bows.
exactly this
all the hype for this game and they dont get things like that down
you are right that the ships are too big, but you are forgetting about the Busse. If you didn't know the Busse was a large ship used to ferry large amounts of men and cargo, and was used to gain an upper hand in naval combat, due to its large crew size, but you are also right about the rowers being the fighting crew, even on a Busse this is still how the ships were run. but the size of the ships in game are on average too big. a Busse could only hold 70-90 men.
The Busse were rare and served mostly as flagships for royalty. Also they appeared only later in the viking age. “Ormen lange” is a great example. The Skeid were much more common, and they could hold up to 100 men of the _lething._ But most importantly, they didn't have a _deck,_ like depicted in the game. The rowers sat right next to the “ripr”, or gunwale of the ship. Putting a deck on the ship is just a very lazy omission of the game designers.
Why not Medieval III? you could have done it with these mechanics...
Emperor Demetrius thats what we are all dreaming of
Invicta I hope they do it, it is such a good game
I definitely don't dream of a med 3 with this shitty engine. no thank you.
If they made a new engine for Medieval III, then honestly, that'd make up for them not having made a proper standalone historical title for several years. I'd happily pay 60 bucks for that.
😍😍 Castillon 😍😍
Am tired of Europe am happy we are going to China something new to conquer and not the same fucking map over and over and over and over
4:18 oh so immersive thats why i love CA for their realism.
TIGERJUMPIN VIKINGS MKAY!!!
I miss the Empire and Napoleon total war naval battles.
the soundtrack is crazy
looks ok, but i got burned so hard by Rome 2 when it came out i will wait at least 1 year for the price to drop, the bugs to be fixed and the first 100 DLC's to be included .
I hoped for something that was qualitywise as good as the Britania expansion Medieval 2 but with all the things learned about gamemaking till 2018.
Frankly this looks like a Britain centered mod down to a point where some of the new units are working weird, like that disappearing ram.
I ain't buying it until after real reviews drop after launch. I know the lemmings who preorder will keep CA afloat but I still don't feel like getting burned again.
One yr m8 did ye buy it?
just awful imo. total war saga is just a fancier name for a dlc...obviously comes with a higher price tag aswell.
there is basically nothing new here.
Well, it isn't that higher, the price. It is only 10€ more than Fall of the Samurai.
did you play to the campaign ?
Why, if the game is set without any Mediterranean factions are the boats not more accurately scaled?
they should definitely be way smaller but I'm guessing they kept em big to facilitate naval battles
what's with the bullshit click bait arrows on the video pic? that'll make me unsub
It's basically Attila... It's barely a reskin.
CA have lost me totally over the years.
Attila itself is basically a reskin...and I agree.
MasterEsben18 Show me the Hun faction then
you should play more of some rome2, attila and warhammer(s) then. Being honest I really can't say for sure till I actually play this game, but I still suspect that they are testing out some new game mechanisms in Thrones of Britannia, which they will put in use in Three Kingdoms.
If you havent played Attila or Rome II, your argument is invalid AF. Attila was a reskin of Rome II and this is a reskin of Attila.
Also, regarding your list of "improvements", those are ALL things that we had in previous titles. Should we be grateful they implemented 360 battles? All previous historical titles had them, battle mechanics you say? That is simply a lie. There is ZERO, and I say, ZERO unit collision in this game, (as its essentially the same as Attila and RWII), ZERO unit weigths and mass. Rome 1 (from 2004!) had WAAAAY better unit collision and mass than this sh*t. The UI doesnt look bad, but it doesnt look "vikingy" at all, totally out of touch with the theme.
Campaign improvements? Ive heard in multiple previews that the supposed "strong narrative" is in fact, weak and random.
If they REALLY wanted to improve the campaign, they should allow the vikings to sail up the rivers, and have river battles, but that is way too much work for CA.
Im only saying this because I LOVE Total War, I have been a fan since the first rome, but seeing the way this franchise is heading, they have to ALOT more work to impress me.
This doesnt impress me AT ALL, neither did Rome II/Attila.
Would like to point out that the The Circenn came from modern day Scotland not England.
Most Americans think that Scotland is a part of England , when in fact it's a part of the UK .
Edit : I'm neither from the UK nor America but I sympathize with Scottish or Welsh people not wanting to be identified as English .
It's Downpatrick. And Mide is Meath.
Also Circenn is Scotland, not England
CA must really get their priorities in place now. It is clear that there is favorism over those who do not criticize the game. Legend is bringing constructive criticism to the game and issues that they are neglecting. In addition to that, it shows very bad judgment power of CA by blacklisting him when he requested guidelines and information in regards of the NDA case.
The company is in a situation where they neglect critical and constructive criticism that the player's has given them over a long period of time. With this current speed here, they are going to tense their legs on themselves. I love the series, however this is going too far.
I suggest you refer to actual historical similarities rather than fantasy. Instead of a Helms deep charge, it was more like a Vercingetorix charge.
Did the Picts have the same type of ships as the Vikings? They could have at least changed the heads on the ships from faction to faction.
shamefur dispray CA....shamefur dispray!!
I'm not even going to buy it, waste of time, instead of trying to dip into that Vikings program they should have realized we want something different, and that no Warhammer didn't count, didn't buy that either, it's been years and this isn't a fresh go.
*we want something different*
- gets warhammer
*WARHAMMER DOESNT COUNT*
lol wut
WH was a spinoff, I was interested to a degree but didn't like the style. Straight up though WH did not count, different is going to be Three Kingdoms, or would be something like Empire.
how is warhammer a spinoff?
also how is 'different' just a different time period?
*which we have been getting like every year*
It would be a tactical and location difference or expansion, it would change things. Warhammer was totally a spinoff, wasn't remotely historically based, the whole concept was different think about it.
SO YOU GOT SOMEThING DIFFERENT?
LIKE YOU ASKED FOR?
WOW!
Is their a record of Gallowglaich in this period? I though they were late medieval era? 14th to 16th century?
The boats are way too large. And the tiger-jumps the warriors are making are ridiculous. While ramming would occur, it wasn't commonplace. Naval viking armies would tie their boats together to create a floating fortress, and then barrage enemies with arrows, rocks and whatever else they could throw until they came close enough to board them. Otherwise the game is accurate in that boarding plays a _huge_ part of viking/ancient European warfare.
8:28 those are the ferry men referenced in rome total war, finally we get to see them in action
So happy they added this as a settlement, I live in the town now called Downpatrick
Still waiting on Three Kingdoms
the ships look stupid being that size... just reduce the size of the ship and the number of men on them... historically the armies fielded at this time were usually not huge anyways.
Time to hurt CA where it counts and not pay full price for this! At 50% off in a year or so fine! Time we got a new engine and some big changes.
From Scotland, you made me buy this but you may be owed me a fiancee in the next 6 months. ^.^ ,,|,
Tbh, It’s a meh game. The idea is awesome except they should of not released Attila and just make a way better version of this... The engine is still crap and some mechanics are messed up, but remember it’s early access.. I really think sieges are going to be good once they fix some mechanics.. Just don’t hate on it as much.. remember it’s new, there will be bugs, there will be unbalanced stuff and well... ain’t was kinda rushed.. Though I CANNOT wait for the new tw game at the end of the year!
Great video, invicta! Oh and nearly at 300k subs! You can do it!
I doubt in the hundreds of battles fought in that period, any of these small armies had the resources to build a siege tower to storm a hill fort...let alone 5
would be a pretty boring siege without siege engines though tbh
Agreed - i was referring to only the siege towers.
Oakley, Your troops got 3216 Kills. So it looks like the towers killed about 298 men. So... Together with some of your swords they are at sum the second best unit per kill. ;)
Have a nice day.
I have to say this now... Before it's too late, but I'm really, really sorry guys. I think this looks very *BAD.* It looks like a cheap rehash of previous games, and nothing of the real Viking/Norman/Celt/Braveheart battles that we all wanted. FFS siege towers? Get real! And I seriously doubt they had roofed and rolling battering rams. THE BOATS ARE TOO BIG! They just didn't have special decks for infantry/bowmen. The soldiers of the longboats also had to ROW! This is some nice artwork put on top of an existing game, without the much needed attention to detail. It's a money-grab that'll fun for a few hours, but then that's it. No, sorry, I expected better.
Look, I know they need to make some historical license to make it work, but this... Man, it's just a rehash to keep with the hype, since "vikings are so hot right now". It's just lazy work.
Those islands could are a wasted opportunity as impassable terrain. You could make a Salamis/Thermopylae type of battle there. You block the attacking ships and while placing artillery or ranged units on the island. This way you force your opponent to use some of his ships to engage you land units and waste their manpower and/or ammunition.
Also general dueling area would have been awesome
4:25 legs of steel. Look at those jumps
It's viking leg. They would eat mushrooms, dress in wolf skin, howl, and then jump a few kilometres every day just to train for that one day where it might come in handy. True history!
Looks good, but the battles look like the usual mass shoving matches that have blighted this franchise from Rome onwards. The battle mechanics of MTW still haven't been matched, IMO.
Question: can you still just board with one ship at the time? Double boarding was really common as long as boarding existed l. And sometimes even triple of smaller boats attaches a larger ones. So why total war never allowed you to use your numerical
Advantage
I see the AI movement is still incompetently implemented. That ship turned 90 degrees on its axis as if it had rockets pushing it... and the AI soldiers are still unable to find pathing on terrain. Total War games are not worth purchasing until they fix these critical failures imo.
i know that this battle is old but you forgot the shield wall formation it would make your troops last more in the defensive positions innstead of just bracing and sorry if I wrote something wrong but I am from Uruguay and 19 years old so wile I can undestend english I dont know very well how to write it
It’s weird because I feel like if they would’ve released this as just an expansion on Attila even with the same price tag, I would be received better in the community.
You see history fans... this is why we dont want this! fantasy and fictional history only!! THREE KINGDOMS HYPE
those herculean jumps are giving me Dawn of War 3 PTSD...
jumping like 4 meters away in full armor... bullshit
Vikings are like Samurai in that not all Japanese were Samurai, not all Scandinavians were Vikings the Danes that settled in the north of England were not Vikings, being a Viking was a vocation.
He mentioned about a naval battle between Danish and Norwegian Vikings in Ireland, yet I can't seem to find it online. Anyone else know what he is talking about?
Yeah I think the jumping from ship to ship is really lazy and they come back to boarding animations like boards or ropes pulling each other in in future games
at first didn't like how u set up but after watching I'd say that's was a decent job x
It looks good!
Damn I still haven’t played Attila. Should I skip? And buy this instead it actually looks pretty good. (:
I really hope this isn't the final product... If that happens to be the case, I hope it allows for campaign and graphical modding.
the black blades are a reference to some older sources talking about heroes with big black swords and weird javelins and such. They just worked it in as a little easter egg ref
Is this game worth it? It's the only total war I have missed after Napolitano total war. I am currently playing warhammer 2 total war.
His catapults perhaps werent great?
I don't get it. I never played Total War. Do you control all these units or does it just play out? In the video it seems to just play out.
Honestly, I'm tempted to get Warhammer 2 instead. Hopefully Three Kingdoms is better.
Irish Lad here, 'Dun Patraic' = Fort of Patrick. It's pronounced "Done Patrick." A dun is an ancient or medieval fort. ... The term comes from Irish dún or Scottish Gaelic dùn (meaning "fort"), and is cognate with Old Welsh din (whence Welsh dinas "city" comes).
Also, there is no K in the Irish, so anywhere you see a C, pretend it's a K. That will help a lot.
I’ve had two major disappointments today. First finding out that legend has more or less been blacklisted by CA and second is that I always watched your videos when you were called Oakley, thought you disappeared, then find out you’re now invicta so I’ve missed so many of your awesome videos even though I saw them in my recommended section. I’m such a noob haha.
Hate how some of your troops stand still while they are being engaged. Wrap around and fight!
WTF!??!?!
WHAT'S WITH THE ANIMATION?!? ATTILLA, SHOGUN, (EVEN ROME II) LOOKED BETTER THAN THIS. WTF IS WITH THE COMBAT MODELS, LOOK LIKE ANTS GLITCHING OUT
game looks like the last 4 titles they've released. Total fucking re-skin of old content.
blades are probably black due to the amount of carbon put into the iron during the forging...
Were Longships that big? I thought they were smaller.
they were smaller mostly but here CA kept em big to facilitate naval battles
#sad
cou2707 they look like busse indeed.
By the name it looks like this is the Irish city of Down Patrick up (north?).
The cross is wrong the houses are not right for down Patrick the crossbows and sorwards not right long bows should be stronger horses smaller but stronger built slingers and finally pairs of wood clubs.
In the norse countries you actually learn some about the seabattles. At least in Norway
Total War: Thrones of Britannia looks really good ;D
5 second invicta borning intro is too long. Cut it out or make a more impressive intro.
is this a mod? or is it a stand alone game? I never heard of this and I love total war.
I am no expert, but those siege works seem pretty advanced...
its pronounced down Patrick. Its where St. Patrick is buried
This game looks great.. so why did it get such a bad review...
LOL I love history I like world war 2 and 1 but I like this too
What recorder system for the recording you use to record. Do you use any editing software. I was looking at Nero or Vegas software. Awesome
Please do more of these videos from different wars in history. Awesome
very similar to rome 2 and atilla. They certainly did a bit a campaign changes though which the fans wanted but unfortunately the total war battle aspect it seems isnt changed at all which is a shame because there are plenty of things they can implement or reimplement as theyve just dropped a ton of features from total war titles in the past. And also things to add that are from this specific era in history and make things unique while also historically accurate. But this is like rome and atilla, so like rome and atilla it'll probably be best to wait for the talented and skilled modding community to make that historical realism overhaul or actually good mechanics mod that implements the things CA chose not to, before getting the game.
On a tangent : tbh the mods are the only thing that make TW fun and interesting currently. Without the mods, TW would be seriously hurting for players i think. The modding community is the only thing that can make the games we want to play. But If CA expanded the abilities of modder to edit the map then they would go bankrupt as the modders would literally make every era they could, more graphically impressive and with better animations and units and more historically accurate and fun than the base game.
This isn't a new game, it's being built off of the attila engine. This game is sort of the equivalent of Fall of the Samurai from shogun 2.
I imagine it is based on Dun Phadraig, also known as Downpatrick the burial place of St Patrick. The final resting place of Magnus Barelegs. Also where John De Courcey made his seat of power when he subjugated Ireland for king Henry.
Come to think of it (I don’t have Thrones btw), the city layout reminds me of Shogun 2 Total War’s castles..
Also one of the many things that threw me out of immersion was in Rome II when I have costal naval battles - I have ships sink within swimming distance of shore and all the soldiers drown. Not to mention the water wouldn’t be deep enough to engulf the entire ship in water. It would also be nice to have a mechanic where a portion of soldiers that are near the shore can swim onto land to continue fighting with morale, fatigue, and ammunition penalties. I know some soldiers that are heavily armored might drown but units that lack armor such as levies should be able to swim..and while I’m writing this I suddenly remembered in Rome Total War Barbarian Invasion units could swim in rivers..ah good times..
Kinda disappointed that a wrecked ram doesn't just block the chokepoint until the debris is cleared by hand. That would make the handling of siege engines much more interesting, for both sides.
Still not sure what people were expecting, though, looking at a lot of the complaints about battle animations or "it's just Attila" comments. The only thing missing is random complaints about "SJWs" somehow ruining it.
I am guessing black blades came out of accidentally dropping the swords into the coal :P
What computer build do you have? How much would it cost
I loved how the city looks, very adequate to the period. The oversized everything though is kind of cringy lol. Anyway the thing is the combat still seems wonky =/ I miss the rome total war days when units fought properly
Another good invicta video, keep it up man.
Lmao. Such stupid looking jumps from boat to boat in naval battles. Glad performance is better though. As long as blood DLC is up to par I'm in
i have watched many of your massive videos especially Rome 2 and its saga. i like how you controls your camera. i need to know how you makes that zoom out completely from the top giving an overall view of the battlefield from top.?
Dun Patraic is Downpatrick in the north of Ireland
It’s funny hearing Americans butcher old British and Celtic names.
as is tradition