i miss the times when TF2 servers were really experimental when it came to gamemodes and maps, it felt like a whole new experience from server to server before eventually everything got consolidated into the monotony of 24/7 capture the flag, instant respawn dustbowl, and the occasional trade map
More like team deathmatch masquerading as capture the flag. Actually grabbing the intelligence is almost as taboo as pushing the payloads on Hightower.
Vanilla randomizer was my absolute favorite gamemode back in the day. then it got overtaken by x10 and x100 randomizer servers which took away most of the fun. the main draw was having all these unique loadout and playstyle opportunities which existed within the framework of the actual game. but people took a sniff of that x10 coke and never looked back.
I remember getting Heavy with a rocket launcher, sticky bomb launcher, and the butterfly knife. It was so much fun trying to rocket jump and backstab people.
Completely agree. Randomizer was the best, but eventually the only randomizer servers I could find were x10 or 100% krits (or both). Hitting the jackpot and spawning as a medic with a rocket launcher was a lot of fun!
An honorable mention should go to Wacky Races, a similar gamemode to balloon race but with trucks instead of balloons and a properly banging soundtrack
The WarioWare gamemode is incredibly fun especially with lots of players. Don't know if it's still played right now but I remember playing it a lot 12 years ago on a french server. Good ol times
@@BComet while that is true, a lot of the TF2Ware games are no longer available because of the player limit. Since so few people play TF2Ware, games like the “Cuddle Heavies” / “Ghostbusters”, can’t even be play unless you have around 10+ people.
Seeing Balloon race and Smash fortress feels like a fever dream. It was definitely easier to organically discover these alternative modes back in the day, before the whole 'meet your match' mess.
I played so much balloon race with my friend when the sticky jumper still allowed you to place 8 stickies for your jumps. It was absolutely ludicrous to see demos flying across the map with players trying to play the game normally. Thanks for documenting it!
There is so much nostalgia feeling when you notice many servers/gamemodes are left for dead nowadays. I've been playing TF2 for 15 years and gamemodes like Prop Hunt/Balloon Race (I spent so many hours on it)/Parkour Fortress/Fort Wars/Smash Fortress were so fun to play with players. If I could share more gamemodes that seem dead, I'd say : - TF2Ware (a Wario Ware style gamemode with ton of minigames). I haven't found a server with lot of players in a while, last time I played we were 30 players and it was pure chaos - Advanced Weaponizer. This one is definitely dead I think, it was basic TF2 but with custom weapons (like the TF2 Classic gamemode). It was made by the same person who did Parkour Fortress - Super Zombie Fortress. Also made by the same person who did Parkour Fortress, I haven't checked if a server with that gamemode still exist. Most of the time it was escape maps and we had to pickup the guns on tables, we had a Heavy Tank at the final part. A fun take on Zombie gamemodes. - Spycrab. On that one we had Spies locked on Spycrab pose and they had to travel an arena while some Huntsman Snipers try to take them down. I don't know if a server still exist. - Achievement Turbo. That's not a particular gamemode but if ANYONE remember that GamingDeluxe server, that would be surprising. That 32-slot server used to be full everyday from 2009 to like 2014 (or beyond), the map was super fun to explore and to chill with other players. - "Shenanigans". Basically a Mario Kart map, 100% crits and infinite ammo. Also make me wondering if Mario servers are still popular. - Breakfloor. It was a small map where the middle area was a cubic breakable floor. Each Scout team had to eliminate everyone, highly sure nobody play that map anymore.
Played almost all of these gamemodes back in the day when they were still popular (except smash fortress and stop the tank). Even spun up a fortwars server once and got a fair few people playing on it. Hosting balloon race is probably the easiest since it's all built into the map rather than an actual gamemode implemented as a sourcemod. Cool to see someone shed light on these lost community efforts.
Smash fortress was so damn good. Its a shame nobody plays it anymore. Even back when it was somewhat popular, finding a server to play in Australia was still difficult
Stop that Tank was a very fun gamemode, although I never heard of the PLR version, I only played the normal payload version of it which had normal humans vs robots with the same concept of stopping a tank. Except when the tank is destroyed 1 random player becomes a giant robot to carry a bomb to the payload point like in MVM. Anyone can deliver the bomb even if the giant robot dies. Was a blast (literally)
When I was little there were the Axl's servers. Basically you got a big hall of maps and you could chose different game modes from football to some kind of control point with launch pads. Miss those servers
Point about stop that tank is that it’s originally a regular payload game mode, not a PLR game mode. It worked similar, but with the tank having an actual hp bar scaling with server size (but no slowing down on hit), regaining hp at checkpoints, and upon destruction, would drop money piles which gave red crits for a bit to make space before a giant spawned for BLU, wherein the BLU team could then attempt to cap a carried bomb as usual, much more similarly to MVM
I'm surprised that Slender Fortress / Slender Fortress 2 isn't on this list. There are only a few servers that run it that have any players as most of them have 0 players and are dead. This was a gamemode that completely flipped what TF2 is as a game and turned it into a horror game and it used to be insanely popular and it was fire. 🔥
One of the absolutely lost gamemodes you didn't mention was UberUpgrades, its a shame the official UbUp servers died off more than 5-6 years ago the 0.9.8 and later 0.9.9 versions of it... And then the buggy blackwonder servers remained running the 0.9.4, and even then it slowly died. So yeah, a forgotten and fun gamemode...
dude, I remember so many of these and it's crazy. they were such a formative part of my time playing tf2 and I hope new players trickle into these game modes soon
Amazing video, I've been playing since 2014 and I never heard about half of these, you should make a part 2 and also try to organize a game night where everyone joins one of these servers, I would love to play hidden, I heard about this mode in 2015 and I was unable to find a server back then
Man, Hidden and Balloon Race are so nostalgic for me its insane, its a shame that nowadays the only real "non casual" type of gamemodes are either dead or just Versus Saxton Hale, which seems to be the only "og" game mode that is still very popular
Having been out of the community so long, I'm genuinely surprised to hear some of these gamemodes on this list. It feels like just a few years ago there were hundreds of servers running these modes, makes me kind of sad
Expected a video to regurgitate an arena mode speech for half the vid but was pleasently suprosed you mentioned so much obscure modes, 1 of which ive never even played having 5k hours of tf2. Well done video!
Some info on tower defense. Servers still run the gamemode, thankfully, but there's more than likely never going to be any new maps for it unless someone rebuilds the whole mode in vscript(I know, I tried making a map myself). People, not even the main dev, couldn't properly get the waves to work, hence why some of the servers only run firstone. Blackwonder is iirc the only one that has all four maps, that being firstone, the updated version of rampant, swampy, and cavern(which I beta tested many many years ago). It's a fun gamemode that I very much hope gets redone in the future so we can finally get some new maps. Edit: One nice thing about TD is that all of the maps can be played and beaten solo. Edit 2: I adore fort wars but I’ve never been able to play in it soooo long.
There exists a 4chan tf2 server that pops up on weekends that hosts some of these game modes, including some other ones like balloon race but it's with steamboats. Consider turning down your headphones if you decide to join for the first time :P
As a player of matchbox, the sandbox server you showed, there happens to only two servers that have sandbox, there is actually a deticated fanbase that plays regularly, made up of about 15 so players. Appreciate you showing the server!
I remember playing parkour fortress a lot back in the day, once you get a hang of it it's so so fun especially competing against others to see who can get the fastest time
Balloon Race is very popular in the End of the Line server, though it serves as a bonus map within their payload rotation. So I'm not sure if that technically counts.
there are a few gamemodes i'd love to see played again, but seem so dead that no servers even run them ad_hunted, which is the VIP gamemode from TFC recreated in TF2 crabmod, a thrilling tale of spycrabs attempting to migrate under the threat of poachers a bizarre mode back when the sandman used to do full stuns at all ranges in which the maps contained a death pit (like frontier's final point). scouts would have infinite double jumps and sandman balls would recharge near instantly, and the goal was to hit other scouts with sandman balls to cause them to drop into the death pit. i don't know if there is a name for this mode or if it was even a real mode, the only evidence i have of its existence is in an old evildaedalus video called "More scraps."
theres also the sniper game mode where everything was made of breakable glass and both teams slowly shot said glass to either make the other team fall or so they could have sightlines
Dang, I played about half of these and totally forgot about them. I vividly remember playing balloon race in particular over a decade ago. Thanks for the nostalgia, shame community servers are in the state they are.
I was just thinking, a few months ago, that I wanted to make a video like this. I lacked people to play with, though, so it didn't work. Seeing that little bit of gameplay on Balloon Race and Prop Hunt really brought me back to 2010 TF2. One day, I'd love to make a server that's all Balloon Race and Wacy Races and Prop Hunt and that one Mario Kart map. Maybe bringing back old gamemodes will help TF2 grow again.
The one I vividly remember is a sniper game mode where everything was made of breakable glass and both teams slowly shot said glass to either make the other team fall or so they could have sightlines
@@user-un2pf4ht9l Redsun my beloved. Some of my favorite TF2 memories were on the gamemode madness servers, especially Super Zombie Fortress. They should start more events to get the servers running again sometime
stop that tank was actually more commonly on normal payload maps, with red ((humans)) defending against the robots kinda like normal MVM. I played it when it was popular, and it was some of the most fun ive had in tf2. plus tower defense is unusually fun, wasnt expecting it to be as awesome as it was.
Two forgotten game modes I remember for some reason that I played SUPER SUPER early into playing TF2: 1) Spy Crab(?): kind of like deathrun, but there was a team of Spy Crabs trying to reach the end of the map while a team of Snipers tried to kill them. 2) TF2Kart: Mario Kart, but TF2. I was never able to play this mode on a full server. I’ve wanted to bring this mode back in some form now that Valve has added VScripting to the game, but I lack the knowledge and know-how of VScripts and very little about TF2 Mapping to do it at this point in time. Before anybody asks if I have any files related to these modes, I sadly do not. I had TF2’s files saved originally on my old laptop’s hard drive, which destroyed itself because it was cheap and unable to handle the constant work I was putting it through. I wasn’t able to recover any files on that old PC, meaning the files I had for these modes are gone… :/
Imagine if there was a server that hosted almost all of these gamemodes, but the video creator just didn't look hard enough for it? but that's just crazy talk, am I right?
threw me back in time with balloon race. I had no idea what was gong on in that gamemode back in the day cuz actually getting the damn balloon to move was so difficult with the two spawns facing eachother, effectively, both teams would spawncamp eachother lol
I'm pretty sure the majority of my TF2 playtime is from playing a Zombies Community Server where one player was randomly selected to be the zombie at the start of a round and could only melee. God the adrenaline when being the last person alive, playing as a Scout with the Soda Popper, jumping across rooftops as the horde of players both tried to catch you and cut you off. Man it was a lot of fun. It was surprisingly balanced too, with the Caber letting you jump up to high places or surprise drop on nests, blow up sentries, the fists of steel helping to tank and break engi nests, and if the sandman ball hit someone it'd mark them and then a second hit while marked would zombify them. I wonder if it's still around.
Anyone remember tf2kart? Not to be confused with the famous mario kart map, it's a mario kart game mode in tf2 but with bumper cars. I remember this mode popped off for a very brief period of time way back and I never found an active tf2kart server ever again. It's a shame because the game mode was really fun and had tons of potential.
Damn, I tho7ght this was going to be another video talking about the passtime game mode, I was.. not ready for this nostalgia trip. I remember playing a few of these back when they were a little more popular. What a trip. Great vid!
I honestly thought normal Zombie Fortress was going to be on here, but wow. The gamemode itself, even the perk-based version (which i remembeted to be somewhat frequently played back in the day) is probably completely forgotten by this point, not to mention it's most likely superseded by Zombie Escape and Super Zombie Fortress. The perks themselves felt like subclasses within the subclasses of loadouts TF2 already has, and some of them were pretty cool. Although a few were either situational or overpowered.
@@ultra2187 no, that wasn't it. The survivors werent limited to just engineers, and the zombies weren't just medics. The zombies (BLU Team) consisted of Spy, Heavy, and Scout, and the survivors (RED Team) consisted of everyone else. The gamemode was relatively niche by the time I played it, which was around 2013 I believe? Or maybe 2014. Around the time MvM was still getting proper updates.
i think id have to disagree, teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/deathrun , teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/zombies < these show multiple servers that are almost full in both games. usually a good way to tell if a gamemode is fucked for good is usually just checking that website
Remember Team Fabulous 2? The story of that video takes place in Mario_kart, which was extremely popular back when it was released. So, a couple of years ago I decided to find servers hosting Mario_kart which already had players, and I found none. Casual mode killed custom maps.
I remember coming home from being bullied and trying to keep my family from being bad people to me, prop hunt was my life for those years. I played OG, where you couldn't change what prop you were after it got randomized. I can STILL clearly hear the "I am the one and only~y" sound clip for when one prop remained.
9:12 I remember playing fort wars years ago, on that particular map, too! We had a scout take the intel and just camp in a corner where we prop blocked him so he was completely safe.
i used to play on a jetpack server. it was basically a trade server but instead of being 1 trade map on repeat forever, it was a huge list of many trade maps and sometimes just weird gmod maps or even obj maps. some of my earliest memories of tf2 were on this server and it was one of my favorites until it disappeared one day and i haven't been able to find it for years.
I used to play on the jetpack server! all the time in late 2010-2011, I made a few friends on there too. The most played map was prolly the gmod city, or maybe that weird walmart parking lot map, but there were definitely a lot of them. Mods would go crazy and turn people into hl2 assets in a blink
i loved the walmart parking lot. i remember one time on that map there was an admin who made himself a "World Buster" (giant sentry buster) and made everyone try to kill him before he blew up the map
i remember playing like half of these on Steveh's server, good times feels weird to think i played almost all of them, and now they're all near-forgotten im old BRING BACK STOP THAT TANK I SWEAR ITS SO FUN
One of truly lost community gamemodes that I know is Crabmod. Apparently it was a mod, where one team would be Spycrabs and another one would be Snipers with Hunstman. Spycrabs needed to slowly but surely go through the straight path until its end, while Snipers had to kill them. There is some footage of the mode from early 2010s on UA-cam, but since then I've never found any servers hosting it.
I played the og hidden sourcemod probably around a year ago with some buddies and was very happy to see that people are still hosting servers (with people playing) for that game. one of the many sourcemods that has practically been lost to time because it never got an official steam release
I miss the old Zombie Fortress. The current brand is some weird deathrun with 5 million HP zombies... I don't understand it. The old one had Scout, Heavy, and Spy be melee-locked zombies and the rest of the classes would either hold out for a time or get to an extract. A lot of servers also let each side choose a perk that could really shake up the gameplay. Very fun, with a lot of inventive and even creepy atmospheric maps. The Hidden was even better in GMod I'd argue. Just about as hard to find a server there as well.
usually to find obscure servers i check out the teamwork.tf website, teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/tf2ware this one specifically for tf2ware. also the reason i didn't cover tf2ware is because i felt like i would be recycling content since i had already covered tf2ware in another video (same reason for why i didn't cover arena mode.) since all i did in this video was play the gamemode and then talk about my findings i felt that i had already achieved that through the other video. hope this explains it well lmao
used to be something like it on gmod too, like, holy shit we still got so much amazing shit, before the assholes broke containment from 4chan the internet was generally more open and curious, too bad we have to kinda hide the good stuff from a lot of people, I know of some amazing mods but yknow, sharing them with the wrong person risks a flood of assholes harassing anyone and everyone not being a white trash american so uh, yeah, that is why you dont have any idea about a lot of stuff like that existing, used to be very common but with youtubers and twitch and furry harassment culture among the younger people with a lack of parenting then...yeah, gatekeeping is very much in effect :) Though I do suggest rejecting hate and being a decent person that tend to make old ass gamers share amazing shit with you. (like how to play the very first zombies gamemode ina cod game, and no, it was not first in world at war, it is even older lol, it even inspired the tf2 engineer sentry gun ;) )
Shopt, i still remember tf2ware servers. Like wario ware with mini games and simple challenges like "spycrab" or "rocket jump" and then after so many mini games it would he a challenge round like ghost busters or the froggit races, or else a boss round like avoid the heavy as a horde of scouts. I wish there were any servers still running it, i miss it so much
I used to play a lot of community gamemodes, but there was a period where server owners abused the living heck out of the MotD screen to push unskippable Pinion adverts. When you joined, died or sometimes _right in the middle of gameplay on some MvM servers,_ the MotD screen would pop up with an ad and disable your ability to leave the screen for up to 30 seconds. Sometimes the ad spam lagged you out or outright crashed your game. You could disable MotD itself, but then servers like Glubbable's Slender Fortress would automatically nag you about it in ways that made the game unplayable. The attempts at ruining the game with bots are outright _adorable_ compared to being forced to relive the internet before popup-blockers became a thing.
The countless community servers is why Meet your Match pretty much killed the game for me. Before, the server list was _the_ way to play. You could see all the servers, and you could drop in or out of any of them that looked interesting. You could look for any map you want and it'd probably be there. MyM hid all that away in favour of the matchmaking system, which... TF2 really didn't need. I tried it once and it just... I haven't been back since.
Seeing Stop that tank made me feel very nostalgic, as I got to play on it during the early days and even become a server mod and playtester for up and coming giants. Many memories were had, but I seem to have lost alot of interest in it as many people simply stopped playing (most likely due to Meet Your Match updates when casual was becoming vastly popular). Now that I think about it, old tf2 gamemodes probably accumulated atleast 2000 hours pre 2015 because I found them very enjoyable with the right community. I do wonder where everyone has gone to now, as it has been almost a decade...
I used to play the crap out of the hidden/stalker on garry's mod, on it's own standalone sourcemod and also on TF2. Probably have racked around 500h on it alone. I think it's a very fun game to play with your friends if you're all new to it. But its problem is that once an exceptionally good player joins the game, it becomes super unfun for everyone. The stalker just starts destroying people, having them resort to stalling playstyles like sitting in the corner and spamming weapons to keep the hidden from killing them. The pick system based on damage dealt, or whomever killed the stalker was a problem too. The best player was able to kill the hidden nearly each time, which then just resorts to one single player being the hidden every 2nd round. It was fun to play as hidden while it lasted and it felt amazing taking out a whole team of players. But I know how boring it becomes being the one against the spy.
i know right!? i swore prop hunt was played more but looking at it i havent seen a single server with a substantial number of players in it. kinda sad tbh
Yup this, when I started playing there was always 20+ people usually on daily, sometimes there were even other players on other Prop Hunt servers with their own community of players in them, it was so great, then slowly overtime there were less and less until it became too quiet, it's almost impossible to find a server with 6+ people now T^T
I remember back before MyM. Community servers were dying long before that update came out. Constant ads, donator perks, terrible admins, you name it. Trying to play bootcamp through quickplay would always take you to some 10 player max money 100% crit server.
they were my absolute favorites, fort wars especially! the map OP played in honestly doesn't do it justice, this gamemode allowed us to pull off some absolutely fucking incredible fortresses and that was best seen in maps with less open space and more twists and turns. as with most modes, if you got team coordination down it truly felt like you were the kings of the world, lol. miss that era of tf2 so bad... when did you start playing? 2013-2014 was honestly the golden age for most of these.
@@DeepSeaHorror 2020 lol, i aint seen none of that old era but i play a tf2 sourcemod where old gamemodes are played a lot so obv i have some exposure to them
@@DeepSeaHorror Pre-Fortress 2. its one of the really low player count ones compared to the far more popular tf2c but i love pf2, it basically recreates tf2 right before the game launched. the 2006 beta version
as someone who loves mvm, stop that tank was such an amazing experience for me too bad I couldn't enjoy it to its fullest due to at the time I had a caca laptop
You know, watching this video brings back the idea I once had of making a Steam group specifically for finding people to play obscure Source games/gamemodes with, like any of the ones depicted in the video, as well as others (DoD: Source zombies, Ricochet, Deathmatch Classic etc). I'm not sure if it would actually accomplish anything though, or if anyone would even care. Still, interesting to think about imo.
Idk if there are any alive servers with it but the ones that had war3 enabled on it were incredibly fun. I remember a jailbreak server with war3 was so chaotic and fun. You could go human alliance and then just teleport and if you're lucky the guards don't notice you're gone and other dumb things too
I remember Stop That Tank! It's one of the only community game modes I ever got into. I'd even buy a bunch of Secret Saxtons, to handout between lives. Good Times :)
One gamemode I miss was Wario Ware, there were only ever a few servers for it. It was essentially...y'know, Wario Ware. A whole team of players thrust into random 10-second minigames and then a larger "boss game" at the end of the round. And whoever got the most points from winning the games was rewarded with being able to kill all the other players before the next round started.
One I used to enjoy a lot was TF2ware which was Wario Ware in TF2 where you had to complete zany objectives in a short amount of time, though it got repetitive real quick since it only had a handful of events
Wario ware, randomizer, pyro bball, uber upgrades (i remember breaking my game with this mod lol), starmod And also forgotten official modes: Arena, mannpower, robot destruction, passtime, special delivery, territory control (tc_hydro)
i miss the times when TF2 servers were really experimental when it came to gamemodes and maps, it felt like a whole new experience from server to server before eventually everything got consolidated into the monotony of 24/7 capture the flag, instant respawn dustbowl, and the occasional trade map
More like team deathmatch masquerading as capture the flag. Actually grabbing the intelligence is almost as taboo as pushing the payloads on Hightower.
@@Her_Imperious_Condescension Yeah people play it to dm though
@@twinzzlers
That's what I just said.
:( I miss Slag Gaming
imagine if all the skial 2fort servers shut down
imagine the paradise as people populate less shitty servers
balloon race was the shit back on the day. One of my favorite dead gamemodes
Maybe if other maps were made for it, and not just variations on essentially the same map, it could have been more prolific.
I miss No Heros servers so much. Peak balloon race. Was so hard to get into a 32 player server.
I miss them a lot as well.
@@averyjudgementalsoldier8303 NH is now End of The Line or EOTL. Only have like 2 servers though.
Try Delfy Class Wars server. It's frequently got da Baloon Race.
Vanilla randomizer was my absolute favorite gamemode back in the day. then it got overtaken by x10 and x100 randomizer servers which took away most of the fun. the main draw was having all these unique loadout and playstyle opportunities which existed within the framework of the actual game. but people took a sniff of that x10 coke and never looked back.
Yeah. Mixing x10 and x100 with Randomizer didn't feel very comfortable. It's better off being played separately.
I remember getting Heavy with a rocket launcher, sticky bomb launcher, and the butterfly knife. It was so much fun trying to rocket jump and backstab people.
Completely agree. Randomizer was the best, but eventually the only randomizer servers I could find were x10 or 100% krits (or both). Hitting the jackpot and spawning as a medic with a rocket launcher was a lot of fun!
It's sad, cuz I guess people aren't easily sastified with them and got to go more more more
x10 was pretty cool but when it got to fkin x100000 that's when it was problematic
It's a shame people forgot about Fort Wars so fast. It's such an underrated gamemode.
Edit: Can't forget about Murder Mod either.
I think there's one Vscript map that kinda similar to Fort Wars, although downgraded because you can build only with blocks on certain spaces
@user-ir8te9me9r And then there was The Hidden gamemode, too, but that is currently nowhere to be seen.
I was so surprised FortWars is so dead. I remember playing that nearly every day years ago.
fart wars
Also, does anyone remember the "Murder Mod" gamemode?
Hey. Im the owner of that Stop that Tank server. Thanks for playing on and enjoying my server :)
I can testify, I'm this man's mouse
Please never shut down the server, we need more of them
@@z1u512 Im not planning to.
@@kurumitokisaki5766 can I have the ip to the server?
@@exitsandman4002I think it’s the only one being hosted so you can search for it and find it. Plus the ip is in the videos description
If only 24/7 skial 2fort servers were dead😞
Peridot. Bruh peridot. Bruh. Peridot.
You may not like it, but 24/7 2fort skial is what peak performance looks like.
@@TimesChu bruh
@@frost3533 u mean period?
@@TimesChu I’m guessing you’re a cringe furry
An honorable mention should go to Wacky Races, a similar gamemode to balloon race but with trucks instead of balloons and a properly banging soundtrack
Both maps having a music playing on round start is also what makes them very special.
I remember both of them, sucks how they aren't around anymore.
I feel like both of them aren't that dead, i play on the samwiz server sometimes and sometimes people play it, just depends if people vote for it
They’re still played tho.
The song from Wacky Races lives rent free in my head.
The WarioWare gamemode is incredibly fun especially with lots of players. Don't know if it's still played right now but I remember playing it a lot 12 years ago on a french server. Good ol times
The good thing about TF2 Ware is the fact that you don't need a lot of players to enjoy it. 4 should be the bare mininum.
@@BComet while that is true, a lot of the TF2Ware games are no longer available because of the player limit. Since so few people play TF2Ware, games like the “Cuddle Heavies” / “Ghostbusters”, can’t even be play unless you have around 10+ people.
TF2Ware was the thing back in the day
Seeing Balloon race and Smash fortress feels like a fever dream. It was definitely easier to organically discover these alternative modes back in the day, before the whole 'meet your match' mess.
Another game mode I consider dead is medic vs engineer.
the zombie gamemode you mean
@@octaaka4757 You heard what I said.
i miss it so much. think i logged like 100 hours on the old muselk zombies servers lol
Wdym it usually has 30 or so players active at anytime, exact opposite of dead
@@-__-__-__-__-0000 it’s not dead, medic Vs engineer can usually standardly show up to 5 to 30 players per server.
Balloon race was the absolute best thing way back in the day. honestly wish they would make a modern version of Balloon race.
especially one with vscript since that allows so much more flexibility
I played so much balloon race with my friend when the sticky jumper still allowed you to place 8 stickies for your jumps. It was absolutely ludicrous to see demos flying across the map with players trying to play the game normally. Thanks for documenting it!
There is so much nostalgia feeling when you notice many servers/gamemodes are left for dead nowadays. I've been playing TF2 for 15 years and gamemodes like Prop Hunt/Balloon Race (I spent so many hours on it)/Parkour Fortress/Fort Wars/Smash Fortress were so fun to play with players. If I could share more gamemodes that seem dead, I'd say :
- TF2Ware (a Wario Ware style gamemode with ton of minigames). I haven't found a server with lot of players in a while, last time I played we were 30 players and it was pure chaos
- Advanced Weaponizer. This one is definitely dead I think, it was basic TF2 but with custom weapons (like the TF2 Classic gamemode). It was made by the same person who did Parkour Fortress
- Super Zombie Fortress. Also made by the same person who did Parkour Fortress, I haven't checked if a server with that gamemode still exist. Most of the time it was escape maps and we had to pickup the guns on tables, we had a Heavy Tank at the final part. A fun take on Zombie gamemodes.
- Spycrab. On that one we had Spies locked on Spycrab pose and they had to travel an arena while some Huntsman Snipers try to take them down. I don't know if a server still exist.
- Achievement Turbo. That's not a particular gamemode but if ANYONE remember that GamingDeluxe server, that would be surprising. That 32-slot server used to be full everyday from 2009 to like 2014 (or beyond), the map was super fun to explore and to chill with other players.
- "Shenanigans". Basically a Mario Kart map, 100% crits and infinite ammo. Also make me wondering if Mario servers are still popular.
- Breakfloor. It was a small map where the middle area was a cubic breakable floor. Each Scout team had to eliminate everyone, highly sure nobody play that map anymore.
Played almost all of these gamemodes back in the day when they were still popular (except smash fortress and stop the tank). Even spun up a fortwars server once and got a fair few people playing on it. Hosting balloon race is probably the easiest since it's all built into the map rather than an actual gamemode implemented as a sourcemod. Cool to see someone shed light on these lost community efforts.
Oh man, imagine playing balloon race with grappling hooks, that’d be fun
Played a server that did just that.
Seeing a Heavy leap of faith off his balloon to grapple into the control point was a sigh to behold
Lol no grappling hooks is the just the opposite of fun
@@plumebrise4801 ...lmao? How the hell?
Smash fortress was so damn good. Its a shame nobody plays it anymore. Even back when it was somewhat popular, finding a server to play in Australia was still difficult
Stop that Tank was a very fun gamemode, although I never heard of the PLR version, I only played the normal payload version of it which had normal humans vs robots with the same concept of stopping a tank. Except when the tank is destroyed 1 random player becomes a giant robot to carry a bomb to the payload point like in MVM. Anyone can deliver the bomb even if the giant robot dies.
Was a blast (literally)
When I was little there were the Axl's servers. Basically you got a big hall of maps and you could chose different game modes from football to some kind of control point with launch pads. Miss those servers
Point about stop that tank is that it’s originally a regular payload game mode, not a PLR game mode.
It worked similar, but with the tank having an actual hp bar scaling with server size (but no slowing down on hit), regaining hp at checkpoints, and upon destruction, would drop money piles which gave red crits for a bit to make space before a giant spawned for BLU, wherein the BLU team could then attempt to cap a carried bomb as usual, much more similarly to MVM
I'm surprised that Slender Fortress / Slender Fortress 2 isn't on this list. There are only a few servers that run it that have any players as most of them have 0 players and are dead. This was a gamemode that completely flipped what TF2 is as a game and turned it into a horror game and it used to be insanely popular and it was fire. 🔥
One of the absolutely lost gamemodes you didn't mention was UberUpgrades, its a shame the official UbUp servers died off more than 5-6 years ago the 0.9.8 and later 0.9.9 versions of it...
And then the buggy blackwonder servers remained running the 0.9.4, and even then it slowly died.
So yeah, a forgotten and fun gamemode...
dude, I remember so many of these and it's crazy. they were such a formative part of my time playing tf2 and I hope new players trickle into these game modes soon
Amazing video, I've been playing since 2014 and I never heard about half of these, you should make a part 2 and also try to organize a game night where everyone joins one of these servers, I would love to play hidden, I heard about this mode in 2015 and I was unable to find a server back then
oh mah gosh balloon race, the clan wars we would have on that map, by the gods 😭
"by the gods" this nigga a pagan 😭😭😭
Man, Hidden and Balloon Race are so nostalgic for me its insane, its a shame that nowadays the only real "non casual" type of gamemodes are either dead or just Versus Saxton Hale, which seems to be the only "og" game mode that is still very popular
I mean, VS Saxton Hale got popular again because it _is_ in Casual
Having been out of the community so long, I'm genuinely surprised to hear some of these gamemodes on this list. It feels like just a few years ago there were hundreds of servers running these modes, makes me kind of sad
bro that bloon race nostalgia hit hard, i totally forgot about that shit. Great video
God, I miss balloon race...
I remember Balloon Race and Parkour Fortress. God I completely forgot about those gamemodes, now I miss them... I miss the old days of tf2 😢
Expected a video to regurgitate an arena mode speech for half the vid but was pleasently suprosed you mentioned so much obscure modes, 1 of which ive never even played having 5k hours of tf2. Well done video!
Some info on tower defense. Servers still run the gamemode, thankfully, but there's more than likely never going to be any new maps for it unless someone rebuilds the whole mode in vscript(I know, I tried making a map myself). People, not even the main dev, couldn't properly get the waves to work, hence why some of the servers only run firstone. Blackwonder is iirc the only one that has all four maps, that being firstone, the updated version of rampant, swampy, and cavern(which I beta tested many many years ago). It's a fun gamemode that I very much hope gets redone in the future so we can finally get some new maps.
Edit: One nice thing about TD is that all of the maps can be played and beaten solo.
Edit 2: I adore fort wars but I’ve never been able to play in it soooo long.
Yeah. Tough all servers I have visited during past month are broken, waves might glitch, dmg multipliers are broken
There exists a 4chan tf2 server that pops up on weekends that hosts some of these game modes, including some other ones like balloon race but it's with steamboats. Consider turning down your headphones if you decide to join for the first time :P
As a player of matchbox, the sandbox server you showed, there happens to only two servers that have sandbox, there is actually a deticated fanbase that plays regularly, made up of about 15 so players. Appreciate you showing the server!
I remember playing parkour fortress a lot back in the day, once you get a hang of it it's so so fun especially competing against others to see who can get the fastest time
Balloon race brought back some memories. They seem so distant now. 10 years ago at least. Feels like a weird fever dream at this point.
Balloon Race is very popular in the End of the Line server, though it serves as a bonus map within their payload rotation.
So I'm not sure if that technically counts.
there are a few gamemodes i'd love to see played again, but seem so dead that no servers even run them
ad_hunted, which is the VIP gamemode from TFC recreated in TF2
crabmod, a thrilling tale of spycrabs attempting to migrate under the threat of poachers
a bizarre mode back when the sandman used to do full stuns at all ranges in which the maps contained a death pit (like frontier's final point). scouts would have infinite double jumps and sandman balls would recharge near instantly, and the goal was to hit other scouts with sandman balls to cause them to drop into the death pit. i don't know if there is a name for this mode or if it was even a real mode, the only evidence i have of its existence is in an old evildaedalus video called "More scraps."
theres also the sniper game mode where everything was made of breakable glass and both teams slowly shot said glass to either make the other team fall or so they could have sightlines
@@isaacargesmith8217 i remember that! i can't remember the name of the mode or map, sadly, but i do recall playing in a server running that gimmick
@@terluj121 its glass_[name of the map]
Dang, I played about half of these and totally forgot about them. I vividly remember playing balloon race in particular over a decade ago. Thanks for the nostalgia, shame community servers are in the state they are.
I was just thinking, a few months ago, that I wanted to make a video like this. I lacked people to play with, though, so it didn't work.
Seeing that little bit of gameplay on Balloon Race and Prop Hunt really brought me back to 2010 TF2. One day, I'd love to make a server that's all Balloon Race and Wacy Races and Prop Hunt and that one Mario Kart map. Maybe bringing back old gamemodes will help TF2 grow again.
im glad i could make it for you then :) and good luck on the server idea, hope it can come to fruition someday!
The one I vividly remember is a sniper game mode where everything was made of breakable glass and both teams slowly shot said glass to either make the other team fall or so they could have sightlines
The only time you can play this mod is by redsun, there other servers but they never get past the 2 digits
@@user-un2pf4ht9l Redsun my beloved.
Some of my favorite TF2 memories were on the gamemode madness servers, especially Super Zombie Fortress.
They should start more events to get the servers running again sometime
@@bobbyferg9173 oh there is some event like the eggs
I think I played that mode once
stop that tank was actually more commonly on normal payload maps, with red ((humans)) defending against the robots kinda like normal MVM.
I played it when it was popular, and it was some of the most fun ive had in tf2.
plus tower defense is unusually fun, wasnt expecting it to be as awesome as it was.
Two forgotten game modes I remember for some reason that I played SUPER SUPER early into playing TF2:
1) Spy Crab(?): kind of like deathrun, but there was a team of Spy Crabs trying to reach the end of the map while a team of Snipers tried to kill them.
2) TF2Kart: Mario Kart, but TF2. I was never able to play this mode on a full server. I’ve wanted to bring this mode back in some form now that Valve has added VScripting to the game, but I lack the knowledge and know-how of VScripts and very little about TF2 Mapping to do it at this point in time.
Before anybody asks if I have any files related to these modes, I sadly do not. I had TF2’s files saved originally on my old laptop’s hard drive, which destroyed itself because it was cheap and unable to handle the constant work I was putting it through. I wasn’t able to recover any files on that old PC, meaning the files I had for these modes are gone… :/
Back in 2007, Territorial Control was the most played gamemode. Now it’s only the most played on Pre Fortress 2.
I'm telling Frosty Scales that parkour fortress is a dead game
hi best friend pubscrublord
Imagine if there was a server that hosted almost all of these gamemodes, but the video creator just didn't look hard enough for it? but that's just crazy talk, am I right?
balloon race is actually still hosted on the absolute warzone that is delfy’s fun server
threw me back in time with balloon race. I had no idea what was gong on in that gamemode back in the day cuz actually getting the damn balloon to move was so difficult with the two spawns facing eachother, effectively, both teams would spawncamp eachother lol
I'm pretty sure the majority of my TF2 playtime is from playing a Zombies Community Server where one player was randomly selected to be the zombie at the start of a round and could only melee. God the adrenaline when being the last person alive, playing as a Scout with the Soda Popper, jumping across rooftops as the horde of players both tried to catch you and cut you off. Man it was a lot of fun. It was surprisingly balanced too, with the Caber letting you jump up to high places or surprise drop on nests, blow up sentries, the fists of steel helping to tank and break engi nests, and if the sandman ball hit someone it'd mark them and then a second hit while marked would zombify them.
I wonder if it's still around.
Great vIdeo, brought back a lot of memories from my childhood. didn't even know some of these were still up.
Man WarioWare Inc. was probably my favorite gamemode back in the day, cant even find those anymore.
I was able to play 3 years ago with 30 players. Then the server crashed and I've never seen people play TF2Ware again. It was a very fun gamemode
I think it’s really cool how the original designer of parkour fortress went on to create “A Hat In Time”.
Anyone remember tf2kart? Not to be confused with the famous mario kart map, it's a mario kart game mode in tf2 but with bumper cars. I remember this mode popped off for a very brief period of time way back and I never found an active tf2kart server ever again. It's a shame because the game mode was really fun and had tons of potential.
Damn, I tho7ght this was going to be another video talking about the passtime game mode, I was.. not ready for this nostalgia trip. I remember playing a few of these back when they were a little more popular. What a trip. Great vid!
I honestly thought normal Zombie Fortress was going to be on here, but wow. The gamemode itself, even the perk-based version (which i remembeted to be somewhat frequently played back in the day) is probably completely forgotten by this point, not to mention it's most likely superseded by Zombie Escape and Super Zombie Fortress.
The perks themselves felt like subclasses within the subclasses of loadouts TF2 already has, and some of them were pretty cool. Although a few were either situational or overpowered.
Muselk played it, you play as engineers and build dispensers to hold back the zombies right? It was super fun back in 2017 or so I believe
@@ultra2187 no, that wasn't it. The survivors werent limited to just engineers, and the zombies weren't just medics. The zombies (BLU Team) consisted of Spy, Heavy, and Scout, and the survivors (RED Team) consisted of everyone else. The gamemode was relatively niche by the time I played it, which was around 2013 I believe? Or maybe 2014. Around the time MvM was still getting proper updates.
@@noob-zx4cv Yeah, just realized I was thinking about a different mode.
Balloon race was so fun, some honorable mentions would have to be Zombie fortress, and deathrun.
i think id have to disagree, teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/deathrun , teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/zombies < these show multiple servers that are almost full in both games. usually a good way to tell if a gamemode is fucked for good is usually just checking that website
unless you meant honorable mentions for a fun gamemode were those then my bad for the misinterpretation lmao
Remember Team Fabulous 2? The story of that video takes place in Mario_kart, which was extremely popular back when it was released. So, a couple of years ago I decided to find servers hosting Mario_kart which already had players, and I found none.
Casual mode killed custom maps.
Stop that Tank! was freaking legendary, hope it was still around
I remember coming home from being bullied and trying to keep my family from being bad people to me, prop hunt was my life for those years. I played OG, where you couldn't change what prop you were after it got randomized. I can STILL clearly hear the "I am the one and only~y" sound clip for when one prop remained.
Damn RIP balloon race 🙏😭
9:12 I remember playing fort wars years ago, on that particular map, too! We had a scout take the intel and just camp in a corner where we prop blocked him so he was completely safe.
It would be awesome if Valve added a "Community game mode" of the week, and it would rotate/ put you in queue to that game mode.
I remember playing balloon race as a kid, it was one of the best things ever
i used to play on a jetpack server. it was basically a trade server but instead of being 1 trade map on repeat forever, it was a huge list of many trade maps and sometimes just weird gmod maps or even obj maps. some of my earliest memories of tf2 were on this server and it was one of my favorites until it disappeared one day and i haven't been able to find it for years.
I used to play on the jetpack server! all the time in late 2010-2011, I made a few friends on there too. The most played map was prolly the gmod city, or maybe that weird walmart parking lot map, but there were definitely a lot of them. Mods would go crazy and turn people into hl2 assets in a blink
i loved the walmart parking lot. i remember one time on that map there was an admin who made himself a "World Buster" (giant sentry buster) and made everyone try to kill him before he blew up the map
And now all we have is instant respawn dustbowl, 24/7 2fort, and x10 randomizer. So much fun concepts back then.
i remember playing like half of these on Steveh's server, good times
feels weird to think i played almost all of them, and now they're all near-forgotten im old
BRING BACK STOP THAT TANK I SWEAR ITS SO FUN
One of truly lost community gamemodes that I know is Crabmod. Apparently it was a mod, where one team would be Spycrabs and another one would be Snipers with Hunstman. Spycrabs needed to slowly but surely go through the straight path until its end, while Snipers had to kill them.
There is some footage of the mode from early 2010s on UA-cam, but since then I've never found any servers hosting it.
I played the og hidden sourcemod probably around a year ago with some buddies and was very happy to see that people are still hosting servers (with people playing) for that game. one of the many sourcemods that has practically been lost to time because it never got an official steam release
I've played all of these when I was younger, this is like seeing a ghost from my past. Thanks so much for the nostalgia.
I miss the old Zombie Fortress. The current brand is some weird deathrun with 5 million HP zombies... I don't understand it.
The old one had Scout, Heavy, and Spy be melee-locked zombies and the rest of the classes would either hold out for a time or get to an extract. A lot of servers also let each side choose a perk that could really shake up the gameplay. Very fun, with a lot of inventive and even creepy atmospheric maps.
The Hidden was even better in GMod I'd argue. Just about as hard to find a server there as well.
balloon race/wacky racers is still featured on some TF2C custom weapon servers.
Can't believe you didn't included WarioWare, I used to play that all the time, now I can't find any servers hosting it
Really? Huh. I think TF2Ware was still active though.
@@Loner098 I mean, at least in the americas I can't find a server with people playing
usually to find obscure servers i check out the teamwork.tf website, teamwork.tf/community/quickplay/tf2ware this one specifically for tf2ware. also the reason i didn't cover tf2ware is because i felt like i would be recycling content since i had already covered tf2ware in another video (same reason for why i didn't cover arena mode.) since all i did in this video was play the gamemode and then talk about my findings i felt that i had already achieved that through the other video. hope this explains it well lmao
@@glowhno oh neat I didnt knew you made a video on TF2Ware, I'll check it later thanks c:
no problem :)
I remember stumbling on ballon race and my mind being blown, had no idea it existed
used to be something like it on gmod too, like, holy shit we still got so much amazing shit, before the assholes broke containment from 4chan the internet was generally more open and curious, too bad we have to kinda hide the good stuff from a lot of people, I know of some amazing mods but yknow, sharing them with the wrong person risks a flood of assholes harassing anyone and everyone not being a white trash american so uh, yeah, that is why you dont have any idea about a lot of stuff like that existing, used to be very common but with youtubers and twitch and furry harassment culture among the younger people with a lack of parenting then...yeah, gatekeeping is very much in effect :)
Though I do suggest rejecting hate and being a decent person that tend to make old ass gamers share amazing shit with you. (like how to play the very first zombies gamemode ina cod game, and no, it was not first in world at war, it is even older lol, it even inspired the tf2 engineer sentry gun ;) )
Shopt, i still remember tf2ware servers. Like wario ware with mini games and simple challenges like "spycrab" or "rocket jump" and then after so many mini games it would he a challenge round like ghost busters or the froggit races, or else a boss round like avoid the heavy as a horde of scouts. I wish there were any servers still running it, i miss it so much
Baloon race still resurfaces in the popularity on Team Fortress 2 Classic. It is incredibly hectic and I recommend it for yall
I used to play a lot of community gamemodes, but there was a period where server owners abused the living heck out of the MotD screen to push unskippable Pinion adverts.
When you joined, died or sometimes _right in the middle of gameplay on some MvM servers,_ the MotD screen would pop up with an ad and disable your ability to leave the screen for up to 30 seconds. Sometimes the ad spam lagged you out or outright crashed your game. You could disable MotD itself, but then servers like Glubbable's Slender Fortress would automatically nag you about it in ways that made the game unplayable.
The attempts at ruining the game with bots are outright _adorable_ compared to being forced to relive the internet before popup-blockers became a thing.
The countless community servers is why Meet your Match pretty much killed the game for me. Before, the server list was _the_ way to play. You could see all the servers, and you could drop in or out of any of them that looked interesting. You could look for any map you want and it'd probably be there.
MyM hid all that away in favour of the matchmaking system, which... TF2 really didn't need. I tried it once and it just... I haven't been back since.
Seeing Stop that tank made me feel very nostalgic, as I got to play on it during the early days and even become a server mod and playtester for up and coming giants. Many memories were had, but I seem to have lost alot of interest in it as many people simply stopped playing (most likely due to Meet Your Match updates when casual was becoming vastly popular). Now that I think about it, old tf2 gamemodes probably accumulated atleast 2000 hours pre 2015 because I found them very enjoyable with the right community. I do wonder where everyone has gone to now, as it has been almost a decade...
I used to love playing balloon race back in the day.
I used to play the crap out of the hidden/stalker on garry's mod, on it's own standalone sourcemod and also on TF2.
Probably have racked around 500h on it alone.
I think it's a very fun game to play with your friends if you're all new to it.
But its problem is that once an exceptionally good player joins the game, it becomes super unfun for everyone.
The stalker just starts destroying people, having them resort to stalling playstyles like sitting in the corner and spamming weapons to keep the hidden from killing them.
The pick system based on damage dealt, or whomever killed the stalker was a problem too.
The best player was able to kill the hidden nearly each time, which then just resorts to one single player being the hidden every 2nd round.
It was fun to play as hidden while it lasted and it felt amazing taking out a whole team of players.
But I know how boring it becomes being the one against the spy.
TC_Hydro immediately comes to mind. An OG map that I don't even think is in the casual rotation, as its been broken for years.
Its crazy to see prop hunt being dead. I remember playing it like years ago and had no trouble finding full servers
i know right!? i swore prop hunt was played more but looking at it i havent seen a single server with a substantial number of players in it. kinda sad tbh
Yup this, when I started playing there was always 20+ people usually on daily, sometimes there were even other players on other Prop Hunt servers with their own community of players in them, it was so great, then slowly overtime there were less and less until it became too quiet, it's almost impossible to find a server with 6+ people now T^T
I remember back before MyM. Community servers were dying long before that update came out. Constant ads, donator perks, terrible admins, you name it. Trying to play bootcamp through quickplay would always take you to some 10 player max money 100% crit server.
Smash fortress was so much fun, and I remember parkour fortress blew me away with the custom scout view model animations
Man this was a fun watch! Didn’t know TF2 had the Hidden
Stop that tank wasnt always payloadrace, it was usually robots vs humans as blue vs red
as someone who didnt play tf2 back when these gamemodes were thriving, the hidden and fort wars look really awesome
they were my absolute favorites, fort wars especially!
the map OP played in honestly doesn't do it justice, this gamemode allowed us to pull off some absolutely fucking incredible fortresses and that was best seen in maps with less open space and more twists and turns. as with most modes, if you got team coordination down it truly felt like you were the kings of the world, lol.
miss that era of tf2 so bad... when did you start playing? 2013-2014 was honestly the golden age for most of these.
@@DeepSeaHorror 2020 lol, i aint seen none of that old era but i play a tf2 sourcemod where old gamemodes are played a lot so obv i have some exposure to them
@@ame1997_ lolol a tiny bit too late! what's that sourcemod called, btw? i've never heard of that!
@@DeepSeaHorror Pre-Fortress 2. its one of the really low player count ones compared to the far more popular tf2c but i love pf2, it basically recreates tf2 right before the game launched. the 2006 beta version
as someone who loves mvm, stop that tank was such an amazing experience for me too bad I couldn't enjoy it to its fullest due to at the time I had a caca laptop
I used to be addicted to smash fortress tbh
You know, watching this video brings back the idea I once had of making a Steam group specifically for finding people to play obscure Source games/gamemodes with, like any of the ones depicted in the video, as well as others (DoD: Source zombies, Ricochet, Deathmatch Classic etc). I'm not sure if it would actually accomplish anything though, or if anyone would even care. Still, interesting to think about imo.
Send the link and I am on it
Idk if there are any alive servers with it but the ones that had war3 enabled on it were incredibly fun. I remember a jailbreak server with war3 was so chaotic and fun. You could go human alliance and then just teleport and if you're lucky the guards don't notice you're gone and other dumb things too
Parkour fortress is really great, I love that mode
Good work :)
I remember Stop That Tank! It's one of the only community game modes I ever got into. I'd even buy a bunch of Secret Saxtons, to handout between lives. Good Times :)
You forgot the sniper duel maps that was about dueling other snipers on a arena made of glass and you shoot the glass to make them fall. It was fun
One gamemode I miss was Wario Ware, there were only ever a few servers for it. It was essentially...y'know, Wario Ware. A whole team of players thrust into random 10-second minigames and then a larger "boss game" at the end of the round. And whoever got the most points from winning the games was rewarded with being able to kill all the other players before the next round started.
Keep it up, i’m surprised your channel doesn’t have more subs with this sort of quality analysis stuff
I remember "The Hidden" so much. It was genuinely fun.
god I miss these game modes so much, I am tired of seen the same 10 community modes over and over again so much
One I used to enjoy a lot was TF2ware which was Wario Ware in TF2 where you had to complete zany objectives in a short amount of time, though it got repetitive real quick since it only had a handful of events
The Hidden is actually a source mod for Half-Life 2 but I didn't know there was one for TF2. That's pretty fun.
Wario ware, randomizer, pyro bball, uber upgrades (i remember breaking my game with this mod lol), starmod
And also forgotten official modes:
Arena, mannpower, robot destruction, passtime, special delivery, territory control (tc_hydro)