An article from VOX posted just 7 hours ago confirms my tin foil hat theory that Emily McRae is indeed responsible for the term, and went into a room full of executives and basically said 'quiet hiring is now a thing'. Then proceeded to tell the media. She says it's very important that we take the naming seriously of these dumb trends and she doesn't take it lightly. Anyways, here's a potato. Excepts from the article - www.vox.com/recode/23548422/quiet-quitting-hiring-great-resignation-words-about-work "And then Emily Rose McRae, senior director of research at Gartner and leader of its future of work research team, can take credit for popularizing the current iteration of the term, after her 2023 work trends report was picked up in a CNBC article last week." All that said, McRae says the naming of trends is an important responsibility and one she says she doesn’t take lightly. “We’re gonna go into a room full of executives in a position of authority and say, ‘This is happening.’ By the very nature of doing that, we’re going to bring it into existence a little bit more.” Hope you enjoyed the vid.
Don't you love how she makes a living (probably a very nice living) off creating deceitful speech for the C-suite to use because they aren't bright enough to do it themselves? And they need the branding / imprimatur of Gartner to give it a veneer of credibility. Such cons!
What we do is don't use the term. And drown it in addition nonsense. "Quiet working" "Quiet family" "Quiet meeting" "Quiet title" "Quiet workweek" "Quiet manager" "Quiet screamer" "Quiet working hours" "Radical workday" "Opposite schedule"
I've been strung along for promotion, had to pick up "the slack" bc teammates were never replaced or eliminated, and so many reactionary crunches. Then they are always upset or surprised when you get sick of it and find a new job. They are just being brazen about it now.
It means hiring so others who have the same position can’t talk to each other and find out 90% of them are being screwed cause they aren’t earning a nepotism salary.
I am consistently pleasantly surprised at the people my videos reach and the people it vibes with. I’d watch your take on these topics. Maybe sing your thoughts for extra spice?? No but really, thanks 🙏
My old job "quiet hired" me to drive a forklift. They trained me for it, I got experience... but there are no pay increases at that job for being able to do it. So with my new skill, I went to another job specifically for driving a forklift, that paid $5 more per hour than my old job. Thanks, quiet hiring! :D
That's exactly how to use it to your advantage. I'm afraid though quiet hiring more often than not doesn't actually comprise training, rather than just making people do work they aren't qualified for and with that taxing them beyond their limits.
"People aren't going above and beyond anymore, not because ThEy DoN't WaNt To. But because they have been, and got nothing for it." Damn, that is the most accurate statement I've heard this year.
He's right... I've worked for over 10 Years in a variety of manufacturing jobs.. Don't bother trying to (catch up) every single Manufacturer maintains a constant state of being (Behind) It's just a mind fuck to keep you hustling.
@@ghoraxe9000 Big same. Also a hidden con is that if you excel, your peers (fellow employees working same/similar positions) will dislike you for it, too. Main reasons why are what you mentioned, they see that you can do a certain amount, so that becomes the expected norm, which sucks when the pay doesn't scale with your ethic. Second main reason is from you being used as leverage, by management/corporate, to try and get increased performance out of everyone else. It's a real catch 22 from the perspective of someone who just wants to work hard, do good work, for hopefully better pay more quickly (which never ended up happening in the 3 main companies I worked at, with that attitude, throughout my 20s).
Two options: 1. Say no thank you and continue to do the job they are paying you for. 2: say yes, add the new responsibilities to your CV and use it to immediately look for a higher paying job
This is exactly where my mind went. As soon as you do anything beyond your job description, begin listing it on your CV. If the company breaks a promise of a promotion/raise, you use that experience to get a better job. And really, (for example) if you are a programmer who does project management for a time, you could list yourself as a project manager for that time also.
@@adamd9166 Why wait for them to break their promise? If they start out dishonest, don't expect them to see the error of their ways. Start looking immediately
Why not ask them for a pay raise equivalent to the new work you are doing. I don’t see a problem with quiet hiring if the people having these added responsibilities can say no and are paid fairly for the extra work.
Something every worker should realize, being hired is a two way contract you promised to do the duties described for them giving you pay, them changing the terms is where you must ask for more pay in compensation for more work, don't allow them to work you for free, never ever work for free.
@@meyatetana2973we all know realistically that they will fire you rather than pay you more. Then find a sucker who will do the job for less than what they were paying you. It’s a contract and a business, unfortunately when your looked at as a tangible resource they won’t care.
Unless you physically and legally signed a contract, they can hire you and change your pay and position at anytime for any reason or no reason at all. Not every job does it or will do it, but signing a contract is the way to go. They are then legally required to give you everything that was on that contract and they cannot back out of the contract unless they continue to pay and give you the benefits of the contract until the contract expires.
There are two answers I have given for "Quiet Hiring", and that was a decade and a half ago. "I don't work for free." and "No pay. No work." The "No pay. No work." worked pretty good when I was a trucker. I'd be on my phone with dispatch about them withholding pay, or having paid me wrong, shorting my pay (happened *all* the time) and I'd just pull the key out of the ignition. "Why are you stopping?!" "No pay. No work. Truck sits until you issue a P.O. Number for my ComChecks." "That's a million dollar load of auto parts!!" "...I know... Better get cracking."
The funniest thing about this is that "Quiet Quitting" was literally the direct result of the "Quiet Hiring" that's been happening for decades. Thanks to Emily Rose McRae, we, as the work force, now have a super simple phrase that we can leverage to callout this BS when it's used by our employers. Thanks Emily, you really helped us define this in a concise way now!
Yup similar to 'new upcoming trend: managers will soon need to balance the desires of the board and the capabilities and desires of their departments' also known as..... *literally their job* that's exactly what a manager *is*
@@robertlewis2542you forgot the part where loudly cock the hammer on the revolver you have hidden under the table just incase you ever meet a communist
I got "quiet hired" to do manager duties. They never actually promoted me or paid me for the work. They didn't increase my pay - I still got paid minimum wage. It took a huge toll on me, being taken advantage of in this way. I felt unappreciated, overwhelmed, and miserable. Quitting was the best thing I ever did.
This happened to me as well, then I just stopped doing all the extra work. If they'd ask me to do something outside of what I'm actually paid to do, I'll say sure I can do it and just take foreeeeeeeeeeever doing it. LIke a 10 minute job takes 3 hours for me now. Now I get paid what I should've been getting paid to begin with, but they've stopped asking me to do all the extra work lol
If they dont pay for it dont do it. I did this on an old job, only thing is i had written proof of him giving me the job. Won a lawsuit and he had to pay all he owed me. Now i check my contact and i dont do a single thing more.
Because continuation of these models REQUIRES denying reality. Costco is one of the best performing stocks in terms of rarely losing value (which is the point if investments), it's got a great reputation with it's customers and is known for treating it's employees well. And Wall Street hates them. Meanwhile companies like Tesla have a low quality product, but have a "high performing" stock, has tons of lawsuits against it for poor employee treatment (literally has one for being racist, actually calling employees the n word), no employees at the ground level speak well of working there, but do have a ravenously avid customer base. BTW, I highly recommend looking up the story of Barry-Wehmiler (sp?) And their response to the 08 crash. Cannot say it enough that THAT should be the model for business.
It's designed to bully employees. The master/servant relationship is important for corporations because they leverage that transaction to ensure they always make a profit. As long as you pretend to need a master to survive and they pretend that servants are free and willing, the status quo will be maintained.
"HR experts" are complete idiots. Especially when Gartner gets involved. Your definition of "quiet hiring" is spot on. I've been dealing with "quiet hiring" for 25+ years - it's called more responsibility, different jobs from what I started out, and of course no additional salary.
It's been the expectation in many salaried and non-union jobs.... as time goes on you get more responsibility and no more reward. I guess it's nice they invented a term for it now.
ive also dealt with quiet hiring for the past 10 years in service and its insane. I put my foot down and I let my employers know I will not be doing that anymore.
This is why I hated the "quiet quiting" bs. Work as bare minimum as possible not to get fired is what most people have been doing. The employers/managers will gift you with more bs tasks whether or not you like it. I don' t understand the love affair in create new buzzwords to describe "status quo".
18-25 year olds (before the work injury they f you over about.) my back has been hurting for 6 years..? I got $6k and asked to quit. AND Us Healthworks lost my X-ray when I wanted to see it, (someone managed to get it to the doc that tried to say I was born with bulging disks.)
You know, corporate types dont get enough credit these days. That brainstorming section is actually an amazing example of how well these people can use so many words to express absolutely nothing. I can only imagine how it would sound to sit in at a corporate meeting, just hearing buzzword after buzzword, with very little actual substance or depth. Truly breathtaking.
I remember while traveling I overheard some dude having a Corpo meet-up on his laptop without headphones. The amount of tip toeing with words just to say "I don't agree" was absurd. They all talked like AI
@@pyerack They are talking around each other's egos. Saying your boss is wrong, even if that is what you were hired to do (tell him when he is wrong) is like telling the emperor is wearing no clothes. Embarrassing, even inadvertently, a colleague, can result in a multi year whisper campaign against yourself.
AI takes care of it now. Some of the AI written youtube videos go for 10min and learn absolutely nothing in that time but you hear a lot of words and no points or examples.
I know nobody wants to hear this . But this & so many more reasons is why our system needs to crash & burn .. Corruption & Greed in every aspect of life . Rebuild different from the ashes
She has to or else her entire life is basically useless, she breathes, eats and sleeps this crap. Her goal is to somehow Ponzi scheme the workplace by holding employees hostage with the belief they will be rewarded and compensated eventually down the road. It’s like that person you take out to dinner and they invite their friend with and say “if you pay for our meals you might get some tonight”. I would gladly pay for mine and leave like any sane person should. When I was younger I did temp work in factories trying to find a start in my small town factory life scenario and realized about two days in that I did 3x more and harder work and was paid $8 compared to $20 for the same job title. If and only IF I was full hired would the pay increase. People used to have a saying “you are better off pushing your luck with a full-hire job application or just working else where because temp work is like indentured service, sometimes it lasts 6 months and sometimes it last forever” I saw many people that got trapped in the temp work lifestyle and it was so depressing just even watching them, knowing they were just waiting for the day they might get blessed enough to be paid fairly for the same job at the same place. That’s the end of my little rant though lmao
I’ve definitely been duped by the “we’ll get around to hiring someone to do this” bit. I worked nights at a hotel for 3 years. And there was one point where it was just me and another girl alternating shifts. And she gave them 3 *months* notice that she would be leaving. And they still didn’t hire anyone. So they asked me to fill in every night until they found someone to replace her. I did get overtime and everything, so it’s not like I wasn’t compensated for it. But this went on for months. I would ask the assistant manager for updates. She said that she’d pass along applications, but she’s not able to hire people herself. Finally, some life stuff happened. I had the opportunity to move, so I put in my 3 weeks. *The next day* they had magically found TWO new employees that they expected me to train before I left.
@@ThisChangeIsAwful Even if wrnsnicket did train them, there's only so much you can train someone to do in 3 weeks. Essentially you're just grabbing the two newbies and teaching them how to work the register if you only have 3 weeks with the first two people you see on the street.
Last year I was getting burnt out on the job and didn't feel compensated enough. I had only gotten a 3% raise the year before, so was making minimum wage $15 plus 45 cents. They only allow up to 5% raise per year at most. So last year, I put in a 2 week notice, and the CEO and my managers arranged a meeting with me. I decided to stay since they agreed to $20/hour, and other accomodations like working remotely more often. Almost quitting was the best decision I made last year. However, this year I find myself in the same spot wanting to quit. I could be making about $25 with my credentials, and I work 3-4 positions at once. I know if I quit they'd have to hire at least 2 other people to replace me, if not 3. (Even if they hired them at minimum wage, that's still at least $30/hour pay in total, so really I'm doing them a favor by staying.) And really, they already tried to hire a few other people, but none of them lasted that long, with the last person only working 3 days.
Wtf you still put in a 3 weeks notice? I was in a similar situation like that but I just left and they went out of business within a few days. It was VERY satisfying. You don't get many chances like that so you gotta take em when you can..
@@ThisChangeIsAwful One of them was very well trained by the time I left. The other one, I only met like twice because she didn’t have a very open schedule? Like, props to you for finding a side hustle. But if you can’t do the schedule, maybe don’t take the job, lol.
At my hospital, going above and beyond meant you took on more work, with less resources for the same pay. What was our reward for all this? They continuously delayed our annual raise by 4-5 months until we were all over a year behind on the money we were promised when hired. They counted on us caring about our patients more than our own wellbeing, but eventually that ran out. The worst part is when a lot of us walked out, they just bitched to the government that they were 'understaffed', getting more money to hire new workers. They pocketed that money and dumped the extra work on who was left.
Spoiler alert: it’s not the way a manager phrases things. It’s about the manager. For a great manager, I’m happy to go above & beyond. Bad managers get blank stares. This is exactly why I’ve left jobs. Bad managers who expect more & give no credit. The d-bag manager comes in & doesn’t understand what my actual job consists of.
I literally had my manager give me that "do more work since you already do and in couple years you'll have someone help you with your job of 2 people" speech a month ago, currently am negotiating my salary at new job !
My sister's husband recently found out that the new hires he was being paid to train, were being paid more than him. Even when caught, they made a big deal about whether they could give him a raise. lol
I've actually experienced this. I was customer service at a corporate/warehouse retailer and suddenly found myself processing returns. Then I suddenly found myself working as the front receptionist and then picking online orders in the warehouse. I was performing 4 people's responsibilities for minimum wage.
My coworker was asked to be the "temporary manager" , while they were doing the hiring search. She was told by Upper Management , it would be good experience for her, but they couldn't pay her the higher pay. She went back to school to get her Master's degree, since that would eventually be a requirement as a Manager. She ran the Department for over 18 months, when they finally hired a permanent Manager, she was told that she didn't qualify for the Manager position.
@@LostSoulchild89 No. She didn't. I know longer work there, so I don't know what her current status is. If that crap had been pulled on me, they would have had my immediate resignation.
To steel man, I think maybe the biggest reason for this exact thing is it, best case, might reflect bad on the company or, worst case, might even be illegal for some professions. If someone were to get hurt or a very bad financial move were caused by the decisions of the person in charge, they’d better be licensed and/ or degreed or things might turn out even worse for the company. It seems like from the macro it would benefit employees, employers, and people impacted by their decisions but I could be wrong
Quiet hiring is how you train employees to get better paying jobs. If you train your employees to do more and they end up doing more and being more valuable, you'll have to reward them with a pay bump and a new title. Otherwise someone else will.
Yup, this is the real trick, im happy to learn more and expand my skills on the job, but you can expect me to do that for 1 or 2 years at your company without giving me a significant pay raise or I'm going to find a company who values those skills more than you do.
Literally what happened to me, took on a bunch of extra stuff, slapped it on a resume, and got a job just last week working for $1.50 more an hour, with better hours, and less work, and benefits (which the old job didn't have)
Yep had several companies refuse to pay extra or even give annual raises we were promised for a lot of extra work. They made me more valuable than they can afford so I got a better job each time. However, the past few years pay is crap everywhere and employers aren't budging on it so I am trying to make a way to self employment.
Being in retail management, my favorite thing is being asked "Why are sales down in your departments?" "Well, people just aren't buying, right now." "No, its something you're doing... We will be taking a closer look at you."
I can't sell anything if there's no one in the store... Telling that to some corporate moron over the phone that lives in a southern state while I'm up North during a blizzard and half the city is closed due to the weather.
I am a manager for a store and here is from my district manager all the time. We have WAY less people due to construction happening right outside and making it inconvenient to come to this location when another, far more equipped location, is only 10 min walking distance. When I took over the store the construction started, and redirected traffic, thus reducing volume. Took long for headquarters to realize the guests that come in are outside our control entirely. As for my staff, I tell them I am chill. My requirements are low, I only require be on time, communicate, and work clean. I don't jive with that pretend to work nonsense. I was in the military and it is stupid. I tell them if there is something that needs done, cleaning or whatever, do it. Otherwise just sit down and do something like our classes. I don't care if they relax till we have a guest as pretending to work is dumb and I can see right through it. I also told them the customer is NOT always right. They are here for a service and any business has the right to decline service, as long as it isn't illegal. If a customer fucks with my employees that guest is gone. I do not need or want their business. My employees come first and we will treat the guest with respect if it is done in kind. I never understood why people thought they can be an ass to employees at a business and think they can do it and still get served. Not on my watch, they can call upper management and complain about me. If upper management fires me over it, I will stand by what I did and said to protect my staff. They can fire me then.
At the start of every year, my department gets its hours slashed, and all the part timers have a god awful time paying for anything in their lives and we wonder why we lose so many prospective full time employees. Problem is that the start of the year comes after thanksgiving and Christmas. People buy a bunch more food around that time so we get a bunch more customers. Sales drop after that because we aren't going to sell nearly as many turkeys or hams or so on in January and February as we did in November and December.... But sales are down drastically from the last two months, it must be bad employees!
Oh my fucking God this. This so fucking hard. I was one of the demo people in Costco. During fucking covid. Despite the fact we couldn't give out samples, they expected us to get the same numbers as when we could. Fucking morons, the lot of them. Quitting felt amazing.
Back in the 90's George Carlin had a skit on what he called "soft language"; aka euphemisms. George hated euphemisms because they conceal reality and they just show up out of nowhere without warning. And they just keep getting worse. George wasn't a stand up comedian; he was a prophet.
Crazy how I'm just realizing this has been happening to me. I wanted to learn new skills so I allowed HR to "expand" my responsibilities, but when they wanted to promote me without changing my salary, "because I was basically doing the job anyway" I said HELL NO. Companies will find every way to take advantage of your hard work.
You should thank McRae if anything, its not that this is new its that she was accidentally honest enough, even if purely by accident, that while trying to boost her own visual presence and influence she gave you one of the oldest corporate tricks, its nothing new.
My boyfriend just reached the inevitable end of the “quiet hiring” process. His contractor term (initially 1 year and then extended to another year) was ended 6 months early with 2 weeks notice🤗. He was the top performing person in his department by the companies own monthly metrics (contractors and full time included). And they wonder why GenZ doesn’t gaf about the company’s needs.
To be honest, company needs don't interest me the slightest fuck. Since we're in an ego-centric world what counts is what you get out of it for yourself. Companies do that all the time so why shouldn't you (or your BF) ?
This shit has been happening since forever, that's why we have all the quiet quitters and people all standing up at their jobs finally. This last generation is tired of the abuse.
A better phrase for it is "wage theft". Using promises they have no intention of honoring as a way to get employees to willingly take on extra work/responsibilities is fraud. The problem is its a sneaky form of fraud where they put in enough weasel words to give a legal out should the employee ever try to demand what is rightfully theirs.
I am retired. This lying crap has been going on forever. It’s not new. I remember one time 15 people were led to believe they were going to get the promotion if they just worked harder and did more outside of their job. In the end the job went to the managers girlfriend nobody got it! Remember people lie. Period.
the only difference is that the new generation has no hope in ever buying a house used cars are almost their yearly pre tax pay and have no ambition to work more cuz they'll never own anything in the first place. theirs no point in trying anymore.
Definitely been going on a long time indeed. Things have just gotten much worse and more wide spread. And it's all being blamed on us by everyone. Especially the older generation and the companies.
I did 80 hrs per week for an entire year,I am salaried, so I didn't get anything but a bunch of emails about how I saved the project and was so appreciated. This was planned project work and not emergency situation. I am an exempt employee, but this was straight abuse of the exempt status. Anyway, a year later they laid me off and stated they sent the role "offshore". Now, I typically work about 60 hrs a week, but the 80 was real tough for me. So, yeah, there is no benefit at these large enterprises.
The best thing about being a contractor is quitting. Then everyone is mad at you. The recruiters are mad, the company is mad. All you hear is but but, we were planning on moving you to full time. It was just being held up by paper work. I love hearing your takes on all the marketing speak employees hear from corporate Josh.
Definitely this, atrocious behaviour. I've known a lot of people in this situation being a contractor for 5 years, when in year 1 they said "we're thinking of hiring you fulltime we're just looking for the funds, we just need permission from the ceo, we just need to wait for this paper work". When my friend left this job for a better one, they lost their shit immensely and wouldn't respond to her about the money they owed for the final month.
Companies have been quiet hiring forever now, "Other Duties as Assigned" is the worst and second most abuse work place thing. Wage theft in all its forms of course is the worst and the two are obviously deeply linked.
Yeah, this is an old story sold as new. These think tanks need to invent new buzz words to justify their fees as consultants. Edit: Actually, the new part is that they're trying to pass this as a good thing.
I had to learn that "Other duties as assigned by management" the hard way. Pretty much an easy way to get employees to do 2 jobs while paying the salary for 1
This is 100% correct. They just assigned a buzzword to that exact phrase of the Job Requirements. I literally laughed this entire video. This is comical.
Yup. It's like "We're a family here". I spend holidays with my family. I'd take a bullet for my family. This is a transactional relationship and employers shouldn't be emotionally manipulating their employees.
The best manager I've had literally told us in a meeting that "I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here, like you are, to get do work, get paid, and go home" Followed by, "and if you do anything that keeps that from happening, then I won't need to see you again"
@@joseph1150I work in the restaurant industry, and it's hard to keep work and life separate, because we see each other a hell of a lot more than we see our families, and spend holidays together. It creates such a weird dynamic. The restaurant industry is pretty trash, but we trauma bond so fuckin hard
I was victim of that shit in my previous job. Started like: "So, this department is understaffed, so from time to time you will be doing the same function as them will doing your regular job. And we are not training you because is temporary". And then weeks later: "The other department no longer exist, now you are taking over their role and the role you have been doing and were trained for no longer exists. And we will give you no training because you can learn on the go"
This happened to me. It was wage theft because when an employee quit, my boss lied and said they would hire someone but asked me to do their job plus mine with no extra pay. I quit in July but I was doing 6 jobs. My salary should have been over $200k for 6 jobs but it was $64k. After I quit the person who assumed my role which was 6 jobs plus his job, passed away on December 27th. He was 49 years old. Yesterday my new boss asked me what I did at my old job and my new boss couldn't believe I did all that work. 9:46 Josh said it best
Literally same. We went from 7 team members to 3, starting even before the pandemic, constant promises to hire and yet none. Both our immediate assoc director and our exec directors left. And I was doing at least 3.5 of those jobs😅, happened to need to check their site a few months after I left and they were still trying to fill my role. Not at all surprising given the (State-determined) very meager pay 😑
there is no way you can do 6 jobs, there is not enough time in the day, you feelings got hurt and you determinied you were worth more than reality. i am a busienss owner, i work waaay more than a meager employee and i cant even do it, teach trump how to do it neither can he.
@@invalidaccount2315 you do realize not every job requires 8 hours of work, right? Not to mention some people are faster than others, or you can cut corners, or you can just do the bare minimum on something so the other parts can keep moving. It's not litetally "I worked 6 8 hours jobs every day", it's "I was asked to do the workload of 6 positions".
"why should I trust that you'll follow through on what you're telling me?" this is the perfect response to any corporate promise and I'll be using this next time
When I was working at Ralphs, they offered me two different promotions, then took them away at the last second citing "union issues" after teaching me how to perform the tasks required for those positions (Deli Chef, Cheese Master. That way, they could have me perform the tasks without paying me for the positions. I got a second job that was taking priority over Ralphs, and quit from Ralphs soon after, to which the managers told me, "If you needed more money then we could've given you extra hours to work." That's not how this fucking works, and I know my worth.
That's the most annoying thing about management. It's not that they screw you over but that they think you are stupid enough that you'll thank them for it.
How funny that I've been "quiet hiring" since I started working. My first job was a Sales Associate at Sears (yeah, I'm old af, I know) in 2004. I did things my bosses asked that weren't literally in my job description, and those weren't really worth mentioning. But as I worked at places where I wanted to advance, like Disneyland, I did things that I look back on and realize were basically entirely other jobs. In fact, I, on my own, created a new position for restaurants that was a liason with the Maintenance department. I taught two co-workers at other restaurants what I had spent over a year learning and creating, and they both got promoted to manager off that position. And as the person who CREATED and shaped the position... I got nothing. In fact, I got the position taken away from me because I became increasingly unhappy with my management team for mistreating me for over 5 years after becoming a shift lead and working my brains out. Literally spent my first summer in that role working 6 days a week, 4 of those in 12 hour shifts, and learning to be lead for all but 3 positions in the restaurant. Oh, and I was also the only lead who asked to be trained in the positions I'd oversee so I knew wtf I was asking of people I'd be in charge of. Not to mention I was, or at least my co-workers told me I was, a great lead/boss. I'm sure some didn't mean it, but when I had problems with staffing and my workers would volunteer to stay for me, but not for other leads for the same work literally the next day, I think that attests that I treated them well and they felt appreciated when working for me, which I did and tried to show it in the limited ways I could. This has followed me into my construction career. I got hired as office admin, answering phones, scheduling the CEOs meetings, and it only took months to take on things like helping processing payroll, ordering company equipment, even minor IT work. That eventually turned into me creating, from pretty much scratch, their safety program. And then I got let go after the company was bought out because my "position doesn't exist within our corporate structure". That's right, a construction company without a safety dept? No, they just didn't have safety COORDINATORS, so it was nice to be thanked for all that work (without a raise btw) for 2 years. So this isn't a "new work trend". This is just corporate repackaging of an old idea they want to sell. Literally. God I hate it here. Lmao.
Yep. I was about to say, this is not new!! I had one job tell me to change lightbulbs in a display and said I am not an electrician. Honestly I was scared to do it with the fixtures on-but everything else any employer asked me to do, never got the slightest acknowledgment for my enthusiasm-certainly no raises.
so essentially... quiet hiring is something older than my grandpa, but its being sold as "the new trend". These people really think we are THAT dumb?!?!?
I'm starting a new labor term: calling it "quietly getting dumber". More acronyms in the workplace, managers admitting they have no idea how I do my job, I'll just appear dumber and dumber but have a good attitude so I get promoted into management.
Definitely DONT get more personal with your job/boss/coworkers. If youre having problems, especially with the job, just leave. They will use everything you say against you.
I feel a weird mix of blessed and survivors guilt whenever I hear of stuff like this, because the manager of my last job never expected more of us than what our job was. He also didn't spout the whole "On time is 10 minutes late" bs, and when we were on break, we were on break, no exceptions.
Oh man, that on break thing reminds me of my last job. My boss would PURPOSELY schedule deliveries, pickups and drop-offs to coincide with our breaks so he could force us to load and unload without paying us extra and get more work out of us in a day.
@@6AxisSage Man I would've worked through it then clocked out for my break afterwards. He wanted to take scruff about it, he'd be more than welcome to. I'd document it. Keep tabs on it. And if he wrote me up for it, I'd take it to OSHA about labor violations. That break is legally entitled and cannot be interrupted. Do so at your own risk.
My personal strategy has been to take on the new position, get the title, hold it long enough to stick, then leverage it in the interviews for a new job with better pay.
We call that quiet training, get trained for the role you want and when they get comfortable and won’t promote you with your desired pay, whoopsie got offered a new position.
She made fetch happen.She just wrote an article telling you what companies are already doing to employees and have for decades-adding and changing your job duties. She came up with a new term for it. She spent 20 hours and performed a hippie meditation ritual to come up with this idea, which is a non-idea and gas lit her supervisors that this was an innovative insight.
Honestly, I gotta respect that hustle it's kinda genius the way she framed it and got employers to pay her prob a lot of money for bs. I'm not even that mad, just impressed 😂 The employers still suck tho
It's even spread to fast food. Taco Bell tried pulling this as I was only authorised to do food the service people get paid more, the manager asked me to take care of customers orders and I responded pay me the difference in the job title and i will. She walked and laughed stating i was funny. My response was walking out to go seek another job
Damn. I messaged you 6 days ago mentioning the new team "quiet quitting" on Facebook and you already have this well researched content. I'm guess you were already ahead of the curb on this nonsense. Thanks for producing content as fast as the nonsense is being spewed.
Or how about this? You OFFER A RAISE to those who want to take on more responsibilities, and then not only do you get the work done, the employee *wants* to do it!
My favorite Hr story: I was trying to hire an hourly worker to operate packaging equipment. The employee had worked at 3 companies in 10 years, increasing their wages at each step going from manual labor to supervising a line. The head of Hr denied the hire since the employee was only motivated by greed. When I pointed out that their company bio (before Linked in) stated that they had also worked at 3 other companies in a decade, they stated they were seeking new responsibilities. When I asked if each position came with more money, the Hr said that they went to college and so had higher aspirations. Now days, we constantly have talking heads talk about the waste of going to college. Don't believe them, four years of college is valued more than a decade of working in the trenches. Plus for some reason employers seem to believe that a degree provides proof of morale and intellectual superiority.
I'll have to disagree, at least in my experience. I beat out two compscie grads, with the following certs. MTA 347,367,368. Comptia A++, Comptia Net +, Comptia Sec+, Cisco CCNA, and a CISSP associate cert. My college years experience: 5 years active duty army enlisted. MOS 12B.
@@SaanMigwell IT is still a field where you can get hired with Certifications. However, that is also changing for ITD. The reason is the many of these Certifications don't necessary prove you actually know anything, but that you passed a Test and got certified. So many IT departments are now requiring a Degree and knee pads. In addition, IT management is increasingly educated (IE College Degrees) and they know very little about Technology. So they are beginning to value Degrees versus Certifications and many of these Certifications have become hoops to jump thru for the companies and a way to make $$$. It used to mean something at one point that you were Certified, now it's almost a requirement. I got hired straight out of the Military for an IT job without any College Degree and/or any certifications (also very little knowledge). However, since I had come from a Military background and had a TS/Clearance I was hired. I wouldn't be able to get that job today even with my MSCA, MSCE, 25 years of experience, SQL & SQL + experience, VBS scripting, PowerShell Scripting and building Server, etc. Today they want me to be a Project Manager, they want me to become ITIL Certified, COR Certified they care more about the B.S. than me actually being able to do my job.
There should always be, somewhere in the conversation, a question about the total salary of the CEO and/or the investors. Especially if they bring up the argument of "it's a hard time for the company".
Employees need to know their rights better as well. It is illegal for any company to hint, suggest, or outright say that you can't discuss your pay or others pay while at work or whenever you want. Shitty employers will do that to try and scare you and keep people from demanding what they are worth. At the end of the day, if people would stick together and research their rights under labor laws, they could literally look at their bosses and tell them to F off, if and when they get told to not discuss pay between colleagues. It's literally against the law for any employer to even hint about not discussing pay.
@@LeadRakFPS My favorite line is "we care about you and your safety, they have all sorts of reminders hanging around, but we know that's at best a half truth.
A few years ago, worked for a company where a succession of eager beavers, myself included, went above and beyond, learning the whole system, advising other colleagues, became experts... and got nothing back for it at all, so eventually just walked out, myself included. There's just no point in the modern workplace.
Flashbacks to my last 9 to 5 where I was one of 4 supervisors overseeing the needs and work flow of the rest of our employees and how my "quiet hiring" myself to try to "help more" ended up making everyone else's work life hell, my own included, as they used my work stats as the new baseline of expected performance and punished others for not juggling 3 positions they weren't hired to perform at the same time. Lesson learned. If not asked to do it, will never do it again. Unfortunately, they also punished me for doing the things I was tasked with doing since I was, "too effective" and "too meticulous" for their expectations; aka I was finding where too many other supervisors kept fucking up and fixing it and since none of the other supervisors had time to find their own mistakes, much less other people's mistakes, they accused me of hacking their software and making up the mistakes I found, as if anyone had the time to do that much less know-how. And no matter how many times I pleased, "the mess ups are a direct result of the fact you cut each shift by 2 workers on average and we have nearly double the workload as it is, so that much pressure and stress on anyone is guaranteed to mean human error," they would turn around and show me my stats and say, "we don't see the issue here, so we're not going to consider what you're saying." Ffs, just because I can multitask doesn't mean punish others who can't. Fuck that place.
The only quiet hiring we have at our company is how the top sales person's nephew becomes a branch manager, how the COO's daughter gets hired as our HR Manager with no HR experience and so on. the quiet part is don't speak up or you instead will be shown the door.
PLEASE quit. I've worked for this kind of company before and did not take my own advice and leave on my own terms. One day I walked in and got fired, zero severance, plus got a few subtle insults thrown at me by the owner. There is nothing to be gained from working at a company like this, and the peace of mind by leaving on your own terms will be more than worth it.
I remember the company I work for all the 3 hr ladies were family, They were training one the hr lady daughter and the top manager where also family give them high position and they are clueless what they are doing. If you correct them they get mad and start giving less hours most of the driver we had in our company manager where potheads we bringing this up to hr they don't do anything they just say they will talk to them cause they are all connected family 💀 I got a group a friend we all left cause most of us got tired of this shit now there businesses going down hill. Because new people see this and leave after a few months in the job also all you say is true.
This is seriously my last job in a nutshell. I literally was doing 6 jobs and hadn't gotten a raise in many years. I asked for one and they offered .45 cents. I was making 14.50 (which was min wage at the time and I had worked there for 7 years) at a warehouse job and Taco Bell in the same area was hiring people starting at 16.00. The best thing I ever did for myself was quit that job and go back to school.
Get everything in writing. If they say they'll give you this promotion, get them to sign and date it on paper and in an email. If they say there are other conditions, get them to specify those conditions so when they're met, you can call them out. All on paper. Paper trails are vital!
@@albertogonzalez7631 I did exactly this at an old job, they signed it assuming it wouldn't hold water. Never underestimate the stupidity of management. I got a nice payout, and they got lovely large fines when their manager denied me a signed for promotion.
You know Emily, you've been doing such a good job playing with potatoes and making up words, we think you're a good fit for a new learning opportunity. It involves working as a team with Milton downstairs, investigating the inner workings of the state welfare office from an end user perspective.
I've worked at many companies throughout my life (50+) I wanted more experience, and when I got bored I quit and found another job. Over time, changing jobs became to me like changing something disposable, like buying new clothes and then changing them, when they become unusable. (except that clothes last a lot longer than positions at companies in my case :D ) Companies and owners/managers became a meme to me, can't take any of that seriously, when its so easy to replace them, all full of BS. Experience alone has given me a different view of things. BUT this channel has given an extra layer of meaning and information for me. Glad there's a community around it as well. Thank you for creating this channel Josh!
So they just said the quiet part out loud. "Your quiet quitting? Fine well im gonna exploit you then!" "Uh, you have been exploiting me this whole time" Quiet hiring just sounds like (as usual) companies are doubling down on the bad practices. This whole thing just sounds like putting a sheet over the problem and thinking we don't have object permanence.
Ho-lee-crap! You're a damned wizard, Josh! This is EXACTLY the crap we got shoveled at us during a quarterly division-wide video conference just yesterday! I've been fed this "You're being groomed for a promotion" BS before, and it just resulted in more and more requirements being added onto my job for no additional money, and then being negatively rated when I couldn't do the extra HOURS of work for no raise and NO OVERTIME!
I'm so glad the workforce widely recognizes quiet quitting. It's been done for decades. I've left jobs that were exactly like described (not appreciated, job role changed to something else than what I was hired for), one in a very memorable way the day it came to a head and I decided to walk out. First I told off my boss in front of HR, who instantly became powerless to do anything to me. He exploded. He raged. I chuckled and ignored him as I cleaned out my office and that made him even madder until he vanished from the area. God it was satisfying.
My manager tried to pull this crap on a lady before. She was hired to work only in restocking and organizing shop items, work for 5 hours and then leave. A few weeks pass and now Manager wants her to also start taking orders, make drinks, ect and immediately the lady just said "If I wanted to work this job I'd go anywhere else that pays me more for it" she left and never came back. Honestly based, good for her. Don't put up with that manipulative crap. It's exactly why when my manager tried prodding into our private life like we're "friends" I keep things extremely nebulous at best.
Lol I was waiting for your video explaining this. I saw a head line and knew it would be so stupid reading it would hurt my brain. Glad to know this "new trend" is an old trend that has been going on forever. AKA overworking your employees and expecting them to do jobs they aren't paid for.
One of the cheapest ways to negotiate is to promise to maybe possibly give someone something at an unspecific point of time in the future. Imagine if employees suggested to their employers that they'd be maybe possibly willing to work some overtime a couple years from now if they got a big raise now.
Personally I always take advantage of these opportunities. I then start to lock down the area. 1) All reference material will get moved to a server I control 2) Anyone who knows how to do the task will be moved to other things (I also destroy all their records) 3) Any training I give people will have them using software/documents I built I then ask for a raise ~8 months later and frame the raise around how I've done all this "work" to consolidate information and simplify the process, in addition to the task itself. Basically within 2 years EVERY essential department task hinges on me. You can give me the raises and continue to enjoy unnaturally productive results OR I'll leave and the entire department will crumble (because Ive locked down everything important) I always take advantage of manager laziness
Beware if they hire a “junior” that they give admin rights. Though managers and leadership are often lazy and stupid, it’s always a good idea to bring in cheaper talent.
@@tawnygirl2000 That's exactly who I am. The junior with admin rights, signing rights, financial approval rights, purchasing rights, invoicing rights, etc. I was the cheap talent & I've gotten 20-40% pay raises every year for the last 3 years. They thought they were playing me... but I was playing them
It's not just managers, other people are too lazy to open a notepad, so I usually end up with all the knowledge. Then when someone needs something, I help them (they won't bother writing it down). And then they will ask me the same thing next month. This made me highly valuable since whenever there was just a hint of a small issue, people just automatically ran to me. Then I asked for a raise, basing it on the fact that people need me. If I left, things would work for about a month. One of my previous employers declined my request, so I decided to leave the company. Then someone from management came to me a tried to convince me to stay and suggested I could be a manager. There was no paper to sign, no formal offer. So I left. Also the managers don't understand that if they "quietly hire" someone they will will become really dependent on that someone and when that person leaves the company, it might become an issue that you cannot solve with a potato.
Coming to think of this.. I have basically locked all of the improvements and paperworks and training materials I did to myself probably the best decision I made.
Currently doing tier I and II it helpdesk work, and when I asked my boss if I would officially be promoted to Tier II with tier II level pay, he said he'd have to see if its in the budget and talk with HR. Currently looking for a new job, I can already see where this is headed.
Ah I always love the weaseling of "we can't offer you a role now but if you're good enough we might in the future" Ive got to the point with that when I contract that if you tell me that I nod my head, agree, go "mm mm yeah okay" then go right back to my cubicle and start career cushioning myself into a place that isn't going to try and gaslight me.
It reminds me of the 1990's where managers all read the same book or article about a revolutionary new management concept : tinker toy team training, paradigms, quality circles, total quality management and many others. It would sweep in a big wave across industries and each company had a slightly different propagation delay. Many of the ideas showed up in Dilbert cartoons. Some of the techniques were supposed to be done to circumvent the poor management in the company (quality circles) and thus could get you fired. Many of them were so managers could teach all their employees to think more flexibly and congratulate themselves on how enlightened they were. Most of the techniques merely gave the employee back some extra time to be strategic, which had been scheduled out of their job and were trying desperately to meet quotas. Many of them were pointless, because subsequent disruptions in the work environment would undermine all their strategic plans (Franklin scheduling training) or some time management program would require documenting all the time spent on strategic thinking, raising red flags. Of course, some management experts had to write the books or articles. McRae is just another of the same. The next revolutionary idea will just undermine some parts of this "quiet hiring" idea and overall there will be no gains as each new idea removes some of the foundation of the others. There is no underlying solid management design but just a bunch of half-baked values fighting for recognition. So many workers today are contractors, so they get no reliable review cycle and get punished for drawing outside the lines. This lack of structure and incentives will kill this latest concept.
I've been quiet hired (according to the fad's description). Boss told me: here are the 2 or 3 things someone needs to do, it's not enough to hire a new guy, play ball and in 3 months we'll give you a raise. 3 months later I got the raise. I think it all boils down to the workplace ethics and who your boss is. Also here in Poland the job laws are different and if you play your hand right you can get paid or ruin lives if "they" don't hold their part of the bargain.
Remember when Quiet Hiring used to be described as training or improving the quality of your workforce? Remember when they used to pay people more money for going through that training and taking on that extra responsibility?
Yea buisness owners love that you live on that idea even if they mention it once? They lataer say "i never promissed you such a thing you must be imagining things". Hence silent quitting was born.
Yea, that was the trend when I started working in the 80s. You had your core essential job tasks listed for you at your base pay and then a list of optional cross training for other job roles. Every one included a defined pay raise and list of expanded expectations. It also let you define your availability if you wanted to move from part time to full or be available to get called in for over time or coverage for sick/vacations of other tasks because you were more versatile. I haven't seen that kind of methodology in decades now. It's either minimalist approach or vloluntold exploitation with no incentive.
This happened to my wife, she had been working effectively as a senior rank in her role, so with a lot of responsibility and a lot of extra work, without being given the prestige and the salary with it. Then at one point she finally managed to achieve that promotion, but even then, for a couple more months she only had the prestige, a different job title, but still for the same salary. Only now she was given the salary she deserves for having been providing senior-level output in a junior position for almost a year. At least they promised to backdate her salary for those 2 months. And she is a lucky one. I do this to myself, so I am even worse. I have been putting forward process improvements to make my job even just doable, doing what my manager should had done long ago. Also, I have my own self-started projects because I have my own goals to achieve, but whether I will get any genuine recognition for them that go beyond mere words, is yet to be seen.
According to the definition every company ever has done this for a long time. They have always put people in positions they have no experience in and have not been hired for. (especially if they cannot find anyone to do the job because they don't want to pay appropriately for it) But apparently we need a new trendy buzzword for that.
@@michaeldalton8374 From my personal experience it seem to be very excessive lately. A lot of terrible practices aren’t necessarily new but increasing in frequency and extent.
Well the one that seems kinda new is contractors that get fully embedded with a team of full time employees, get managed like they're a full time member of the company, and have similar expectations as other full time employees, but on paper are absolutely not! They are a contractor with limited benefits.
I can confirm that this practice happened to me 2 years ago in 2020-- on the night before Christmas break, not a letter, but a personal phone call. I went along for the ride, but my decision not to renew the contract led to a lot of stress and hardship -- in the public sector it's complicated by the appeal to "we don't have the funding" --Thanks for doing the legwork on this phenomenon, and the propaganda that enables it.
You want to know what my favorite part about this is? It perfectly tells employees what to watch out for lol. Hi, i'm an IT contractor for over 5 years now and have apparently been "quiet quitting" the entire time XD. Easiest red flag at a company hands down is when they ask you to do more than what is laid out in your contract or job description without proper compensation for doing so. Have fun telling all of your bosses no when they ask you to do more work for no compensation everyone! ^-^
@@kylegreer1986that one can really get you. " Gee, you gotta be more adaptable! Arent you a team player". Nice black mark to have on your record. 🤔🫠😱😵
If you Quiet Hire, don't be surprised if people Quiet Quit. Nothing like being told to do job duties of a parallel role or role up the rung from you, with no promotion or raise involved. That's a great way to get people to do strictly what's expected, before trying to move to another job where their talent might actually be rewarded.
Every single dishwashing job I've ever had wanted me to train new dishwashers how to do the job. I never did because in my head I'm thinking "This is manager stuff. I'm not doing manager stuff for nothing extra." And I always told them to watch how I did the job and if they could do it they'd get it, if not oh well. If the boss or manager asked me why I didn't train them I'd just be like: "Idk how to train people, I was military taught by my sister and I'm pretty sure I can't just start barking orders at people so idk how to train them." Never was a problem again.
Thanks Joshua for once again reminding me that becoming an independent contractor some 9 years ago was the best career move I've ever made. Never again will I have to suffer from corporate cattle manure like this again. Part of me is glad it still exists, though, because otherwise I wouldn't have these videos as entertainment. Keep it up!
This happened at my first teaching job. I got a job teaching middle school science in a charter school. Teachers in public schools get an hour of prep-time. Instead of an hour of prep-time, I had to teach a reading class. Then, I had to plan lessons after school as unpaid overtime. Needless to say I quit. I didn't give them two weeks notice. I didn't owe that to them.
0:28 right now I got hired and was told that I would get a review and a raise after 3 months and after 4 months of working multiple different jobs I was told that they changed the policy around the month I was supposed to get my review. So I couldn't get a raise even tho in my employment agreement I was told I was. So not only did I did my job in hvac but I also did many many different jobs
Quiet Hiring will soon be poison on job reviews, mark my words. Thanks for giving us an easily understandable label for what's been happening in all workplaces for decades so that we can effortlessly call it out when we see it.
I was the subject of "quiet hiring" back in 2009 except I wasn't properly trained for the position and continuously told management about my concerns. (I was the first guinea pig of the newish GM's little experiment of cross-training employees in all departments; he said he picked me first because I was a good worker and had been with the company for close to six years.) The "training" I received was woefully inadequate and I was often left to run the department by myself. My concerns kept falling on deaf ears until I was so stressed out that I just walked out. I was so fortunate I was in a position to do so; I was living at home and transferring to university the next year. During my "formal" exit, I presented a document on how management failed me, but of course they tried to turn it around on me. Oh yeah, this was not long after I asked for a raise and was told the shareholders wouldn't like that. Fudge that manager and company. That particular store is no longer there; it turned into a much needed grocery store.
A lot of this stuff happened to me because, of course, no one tells you what to look out for in college. So the first decade of my work experience has been pretty exploitative. And you kind of have to do it because of student debt. It’s becoming an unhealthy dynamic.
The key is to learn to exploit them back. Let them train you for skills you want to develop anyway, ask for metrics& KPIs to show you're excelling, then use that on a resume/in an interview for another job that pays more. Don't be afraid to use jobs that exploit you as stepping stones to a company that will recognize and pay your worth. Only be loyal to yourself and your career goals when it comes to employment cuz there's no such thing as "loyal" employers anymore. Don't even stay for coworkers that you like or have befriended cuz they're not paying your bills or paying off your debts. They'll be ok when you leave. I've learned that the hard way and missed out on good job opportunities while those same coworkers I felt guilted into staying for moved onto other jobs themselves. Good luck with all your endeavors!
An article from VOX posted just 7 hours ago confirms my tin foil hat theory that Emily McRae is indeed responsible for the term, and went into a room full of executives and basically said 'quiet hiring is now a thing'. Then proceeded to tell the media. She says it's very important that we take the naming seriously of these dumb trends and she doesn't take it lightly. Anyways, here's a potato.
Excepts from the article - www.vox.com/recode/23548422/quiet-quitting-hiring-great-resignation-words-about-work
"And then Emily Rose McRae, senior director of research at Gartner and leader of its future of work research team, can take credit for popularizing the current iteration of the term, after her 2023 work trends report was picked up in a CNBC article last week."
All that said, McRae says the naming of trends is an important responsibility and one she says she doesn’t take lightly.
“We’re gonna go into a room full of executives in a position of authority and say, ‘This is happening.’ By the very nature of doing that, we’re going to bring it into existence a little bit more.”
Hope you enjoyed the vid.
Don't you love how she makes a living (probably a very nice living) off creating deceitful speech for the C-suite to use because they aren't bright enough to do it themselves? And they need the branding / imprimatur of Gartner to give it a veneer of credibility. Such cons!
I always said there must be people working full time making these dumb terms up. Turns out that was correct.
What we do is don't use the term. And drown it in addition nonsense.
"Quiet working"
"Quiet family"
"Quiet meeting"
"Quiet title"
"Quiet workweek"
"Quiet manager"
"Quiet screamer"
"Quiet working hours"
"Radical workday"
"Opposite schedule"
Don't hate on the lady, quite a hustle she has.
I just wish I was smart enough to think of it first.
@@makesnosense6304 your post makes no cents, please extrapolate
Quiet hiring: "exploiting multitalented employees without paying them for the additional service". It should be called for what it is: exploiting.
I like to call it theft and coercion
Should be buried somewhere in the Staff Manual.
Amen
Quiet exploitation.
Last time this happened to me I walked out on the spot because they gave me attitude about it
"Quiet hiring is what caused quiet quitting because we've been doing it for decades but now we gave it a word to make it trendy too"
Well at least they’re more public with it now you can avoid them sooner
I've been strung along for promotion, had to pick up "the slack" bc teammates were never replaced or eliminated, and so many reactionary crunches. Then they are always upset or surprised when you get sick of it and find a new job. They are just being brazen about it now.
It means hiring so others who have the same position can’t talk to each other and find out 90% of them are being screwed cause they aren’t earning a nepotism salary.
Omg ur here! This is lowkey what chocolate rain is about. Would love if you made content about these topics
I am consistently pleasantly surprised at the people my videos reach and the people it vibes with. I’d watch your take on these topics. Maybe sing your thoughts for extra spice?? No but really, thanks 🙏
Real ones know who this guy is
As a wise man once sung, "Some stay dry and others feel the pain" ~Tay Zonday
Reading this while I make it chocolate rain on company time 🙏🏻
My old job "quiet hired" me to drive a forklift. They trained me for it, I got experience... but there are no pay increases at that job for being able to do it. So with my new skill, I went to another job specifically for driving a forklift, that paid $5 more per hour than my old job.
Thanks, quiet hiring! :D
That's exactly how to use it to your advantage. I'm afraid though quiet hiring more often than not doesn't actually comprise training, rather than just making people do work they aren't qualified for and with that taxing them beyond their limits.
"People aren't going above and beyond anymore, not because ThEy DoN't WaNt To. But because they have been, and got nothing for it."
Damn, that is the most accurate statement I've heard this year.
But also cuz we dont want too 🤣
Never have I felt so vindicated by a single sentence.
He's right... I've worked for over 10 Years in a variety of manufacturing jobs.. Don't bother trying to (catch up) every single Manufacturer maintains a constant state of being (Behind) It's just a mind fuck to keep you hustling.
@@ghoraxe9000 Big same. Also a hidden con is that if you excel, your peers (fellow employees working same/similar positions) will dislike you for it, too.
Main reasons why are what you mentioned, they see that you can do a certain amount, so that becomes the expected norm, which sucks when the pay doesn't scale with your ethic. Second main reason is from you being used as leverage, by management/corporate, to try and get increased performance out of everyone else. It's a real catch 22 from the perspective of someone who just wants to work hard, do good work, for hopefully better pay more quickly (which never ended up happening in the 3 main companies I worked at, with that attitude, throughout my 20s).
@@coreysayre1376 Exactly
Two options: 1. Say no thank you and continue to do the job they are paying you for. 2: say yes, add the new responsibilities to your CV and use it to immediately look for a higher paying job
This is exactly where my mind went. As soon as you do anything beyond your job description, begin listing it on your CV. If the company breaks a promise of a promotion/raise, you use that experience to get a better job.
And really, (for example) if you are a programmer who does project management for a time, you could list yourself as a project manager for that time also.
@@adamd9166 Why wait for them to break their promise? If they start out dishonest, don't expect them to see the error of their ways. Start looking immediately
@@iceman442ho Also a completely valid option.
Yeah this is the best path. See the opportunities in every setback.
Why not ask them for a pay raise equivalent to the new work you are doing. I don’t see a problem with quiet hiring if the people having these added responsibilities can say no and are paid fairly for the extra work.
I got “quietly hired” into a middle manager’s duties and after a couple months of empty promises I “loudly quit”
Sounds like when I had the same job as a manager and got paid 5 bucks less and did more work
Good shit
Something every worker should realize, being hired is a two way contract you promised to do the duties described for them giving you pay, them changing the terms is where you must ask for more pay in compensation for more work, don't allow them to work you for free, never ever work for free.
@@meyatetana2973we all know realistically that they will fire you rather than pay you more. Then find a sucker who will do the job for less than what they were paying you.
It’s a contract and a business, unfortunately when your looked at as a tangible resource they won’t care.
Unless you physically and legally signed a contract, they can hire you and change your pay and position at anytime for any reason or no reason at all. Not every job does it or will do it, but signing a contract is the way to go. They are then legally required to give you everything that was on that contract and they cannot back out of the contract unless they continue to pay and give you the benefits of the contract until the contract expires.
There are two answers I have given for "Quiet Hiring", and that was a decade and a half ago.
"I don't work for free." and "No pay. No work."
The "No pay. No work." worked pretty good when I was a trucker. I'd be on my phone with dispatch about them withholding pay, or having paid me wrong, shorting my pay (happened *all* the time) and I'd just pull the key out of the ignition. "Why are you stopping?!" "No pay. No work. Truck sits until you issue a P.O. Number for my ComChecks." "That's a million dollar load of auto parts!!" "...I know... Better get cracking."
I appreciate you for doing this.
I would do the same.
I have done this. I have told my boss several times, “I am not doing others work.” “Hire people or pay me double” “no I will not do it.”
I found my twin.
King shit
The funniest thing about this is that "Quiet Quitting" was literally the direct result of the "Quiet Hiring" that's been happening for decades. Thanks to Emily Rose McRae, we, as the work force, now have a super simple phrase that we can leverage to callout this BS when it's used by our employers. Thanks Emily, you really helped us define this in a concise way now!
You beat me to it. Also, how can they get people to do extra work when they're so disenfranchised they already mentally checked out lol
Yup similar to
'new upcoming trend:
managers will soon need to balance the desires of the board and the capabilities and desires of their departments'
also known as..... *literally their job*
that's exactly what a manager *is*
Narrow your eyes, lower your voice then lean in and ask them "sounds like something for nothing to me, are you a communist"?
Exactly. Putting a buzzword on this also puts a big target on it's back.
@@robertlewis2542you forgot the part where loudly cock the hammer on the revolver you have hidden under the table just incase you ever meet a communist
This “quiet hiring” was the whole reason people were “quiet quoting” in the first place
Quitting.
Exactly. And the news was framing it as “doing the bare minimum.”
I think you're right, that means the next buzzword downstream will be 'Loud Quitting'
That was sort of my thoughts too. This isn't new - it has been a thing for as long as I've been employed (working on 25yrs in the workforce).
LITTLERALLY
I think it's about time the employees start a "quiet riot"
That sounds like a good name for a punk rock album.
Reminds me of an 80's hair metal band
This whole topic is damaging my Metal Health.
Come on, feel that noise. XD
@@badnewsBH Dude, you read my mind… eighties Metal.
I got "quiet hired" to do manager duties. They never actually promoted me or paid me for the work. They didn't increase my pay - I still got paid minimum wage.
It took a huge toll on me, being taken advantage of in this way. I felt unappreciated, overwhelmed, and miserable. Quitting was the best thing I ever did.
This happened to me as well, then I just stopped doing all the extra work. If they'd ask me to do something outside of what I'm actually paid to do, I'll say sure I can do it and just take foreeeeeeeeeeever doing it. LIke a 10 minute job takes 3 hours for me now.
Now I get paid what I should've been getting paid to begin with, but they've stopped asking me to do all the extra work lol
If they dont pay for it dont do it. I did this on an old job, only thing is i had written proof of him giving me the job. Won a lawsuit and he had to pay all he owed me. Now i check my contact and i dont do a single thing more.
Or you coudve just said no, but youre a child with no spine.
The corporate disconnect with reality is mind boggling.
So they have to come up with these new catchphrases and articles, that are just a shiny new look on the same shit they've been doing for decades.
Because continuation of these models REQUIRES denying reality. Costco is one of the best performing stocks in terms of rarely losing value (which is the point if investments), it's got a great reputation with it's customers and is known for treating it's employees well. And Wall Street hates them. Meanwhile companies like Tesla have a low quality product, but have a "high performing" stock, has tons of lawsuits against it for poor employee treatment (literally has one for being racist, actually calling employees the n word), no employees at the ground level speak well of working there, but do have a ravenously avid customer base.
BTW, I highly recommend looking up the story of Barry-Wehmiler (sp?) And their response to the 08 crash. Cannot say it enough that THAT should be the model for business.
They have no disconnect, they just hope you're dumb enough to fall for it...
It's designed to bully employees. The master/servant relationship is important for corporations because they leverage that transaction to ensure they always make a profit. As long as you pretend to need a master to survive and they pretend that servants are free and willing, the status quo will be maintained.
That makes sense considering corporations are fictions of law and reality is well, reality.
"HR experts" are complete idiots. Especially when Gartner gets involved. Your definition of "quiet hiring" is spot on. I've been dealing with "quiet hiring" for 25+ years - it's called more responsibility, different jobs from what I started out, and of course no additional salary.
It's been the expectation in many salaried and non-union jobs.... as time goes on you get more responsibility and no more reward. I guess it's nice they invented a term for it now.
@@DillyPutty or like 1% raise annually due to "financially difficult times" despite record-breaking profits lmfao
ive also dealt with quiet hiring for the past 10 years in service and its insane. I put my foot down and I let my employers know I will not be doing that anymore.
HR should be fired. Most useless people usually.
This is why I hated the "quiet quiting" bs. Work as bare minimum as possible not to get fired is what most people have been doing. The employers/managers will gift you with more bs tasks whether or not you like it. I don' t understand the love affair in create new buzzwords to describe "status quo".
"Quiet Hiring"= Tricking the employee into going "above and beyond" for no additonal pay
18-25 year olds (before the work injury they f you over about.) my back has been hurting for 6 years..? I got $6k and asked to quit. AND Us Healthworks lost my X-ray when I wanted to see it, (someone managed to get it to the doc that tried to say I was born with bulging disks.)
Well said.
@@alwaysyouramanda interesting. I would sue
If you expect someone to work above and beyond. Then you should pay them above and beyond.
You know, corporate types dont get enough credit these days. That brainstorming section is actually an amazing example of how well these people can use so many words to express absolutely nothing. I can only imagine how it would sound to sit in at a corporate meeting, just hearing buzzword after buzzword, with very little actual substance or depth. Truly breathtaking.
I remember while traveling I overheard some dude having a Corpo meet-up on his laptop without headphones. The amount of tip toeing with words just to say "I don't agree" was absurd. They all talked like AI
I printed out a buzzword bingo card and almost completed 3 lines with the CEO's company wide yearly report email.
@@pyerack They are talking around each other's egos. Saying your boss is wrong, even if that is what you were hired to do (tell him when he is wrong) is like telling the emperor is wearing no clothes. Embarrassing, even inadvertently, a colleague, can result in a multi year whisper campaign against yourself.
AI takes care of it now. Some of the AI written youtube videos go for 10min and learn absolutely nothing in that time but you hear a lot of words and no points or examples.
Its typical corpo speak, its how they're able to fanagle the laws of the land
Reading those “tips” on swindling employees was sickening
Ted Kaczynski targeted marketing professionals because he said they were perfecting the art of manipulating humans.
I know nobody wants to hear this .
But this & so many more reasons is why our system needs to crash & burn ..
Corruption & Greed in every aspect of life .
Rebuild different from the ashes
@@adamsnelson4689 "you will own nothing and you will be happy." 😀
@@datvik7187 "And we will own you."
@@guidestone1392 😰😰😰oh man, this deal sure don't sound to good! 😳😂
It amazes me how she can seriously feel she does something of value
She has to or else her entire life is basically useless, she breathes, eats and sleeps this crap. Her goal is to somehow Ponzi scheme the workplace by holding employees hostage with the belief they will be rewarded and compensated eventually down the road. It’s like that person you take out to dinner and they invite their friend with and say “if you pay for our meals you might get some tonight”. I would gladly pay for mine and leave like any sane person should. When I was younger I did temp work in factories trying to find a start in my small town factory life scenario and realized about two days in that I did 3x more and harder work and was paid $8 compared to $20 for the same job title. If and only IF I was full hired would the pay increase. People used to have a saying “you are better off pushing your luck with a full-hire job application or just working else where because temp work is like indentured service, sometimes it lasts 6 months and sometimes it last forever” I saw many people that got trapped in the temp work lifestyle and it was so depressing just even watching them, knowing they were just waiting for the day they might get blessed enough to be paid fairly for the same job at the same place. That’s the end of my little rant though lmao
Well, the attention she gets and her paychecks are certainly convincing!
@@user-xg6zz8qs3q you obviously don't understands what's meant by doing something of value. Because attention and paycheck ain't it.
@@SF-eo6xf it is in a neo liberal world
Soulless corporate sociopaths, she knows what she's doing and she doesn't care.
I’ve definitely been duped by the “we’ll get around to hiring someone to do this” bit. I worked nights at a hotel for 3 years. And there was one point where it was just me and another girl alternating shifts. And she gave them 3 *months* notice that she would be leaving. And they still didn’t hire anyone. So they asked me to fill in every night until they found someone to replace her. I did get overtime and everything, so it’s not like I wasn’t compensated for it. But this went on for months. I would ask the assistant manager for updates. She said that she’d pass along applications, but she’s not able to hire people herself. Finally, some life stuff happened. I had the opportunity to move, so I put in my 3 weeks. *The next day* they had magically found TWO new employees that they expected me to train before I left.
I really hope you did not train them.
@@ThisChangeIsAwful Even if wrnsnicket did train them, there's only so much you can train someone to do in 3 weeks. Essentially you're just grabbing the two newbies and teaching them how to work the register if you only have 3 weeks with the first two people you see on the street.
Last year I was getting burnt out on the job and didn't feel compensated enough. I had only gotten a 3% raise the year before, so was making minimum wage $15 plus 45 cents. They only allow up to 5% raise per year at most. So last year, I put in a 2 week notice, and the CEO and my managers arranged a meeting with me. I decided to stay since they agreed to $20/hour, and other accomodations like working remotely more often. Almost quitting was the best decision I made last year.
However, this year I find myself in the same spot wanting to quit. I could be making about $25 with my credentials, and I work 3-4 positions at once. I know if I quit they'd have to hire at least 2 other people to replace me, if not 3. (Even if they hired them at minimum wage, that's still at least $30/hour pay in total, so really I'm doing them a favor by staying.) And really, they already tried to hire a few other people, but none of them lasted that long, with the last person only working 3 days.
Wtf you still put in a 3 weeks notice? I was in a similar situation like that but I just left and they went out of business within a few days. It was VERY satisfying. You don't get many chances like that so you gotta take em when you can..
@@ThisChangeIsAwful One of them was very well trained by the time I left. The other one, I only met like twice because she didn’t have a very open schedule? Like, props to you for finding a side hustle. But if you can’t do the schedule, maybe don’t take the job, lol.
At my hospital, going above and beyond meant you took on more work, with less resources for the same pay. What was our reward for all this? They continuously delayed our annual raise by 4-5 months until we were all over a year behind on the money we were promised when hired. They counted on us caring about our patients more than our own wellbeing, but eventually that ran out. The worst part is when a lot of us walked out, they just bitched to the government that they were 'understaffed', getting more money to hire new workers. They pocketed that money and dumped the extra work on who was left.
Working harder without an incentive is basically taking a pay cut.
Sounds like we should seize the office
Spoiler alert: it’s not the way a manager phrases things. It’s about the manager. For a great manager, I’m happy to go above & beyond. Bad managers get blank stares.
This is exactly why I’ve left jobs. Bad managers who expect more & give no credit. The d-bag manager comes in & doesn’t understand what my actual job consists of.
I literally had my manager give me that "do more work since you already do and in couple years you'll have someone help you with your job of 2 people" speech a month ago, currently am negotiating my salary at new job !
That's great.👍
I hope you get that new job, and are happy there.
My sister's husband recently found out that the new hires he was being paid to train, were being paid more than him.
Even when caught, they made a big deal about whether they could give him a raise. lol
Quiet quitting is the exact opposite of quiet hiring "That's not my job" is our counter to them trying to get us to do 4 jobs instead of just 1.
I've actually experienced this. I was customer service at a corporate/warehouse retailer and suddenly found myself processing returns. Then I suddenly found myself working as the front receptionist and then picking online orders in the warehouse. I was performing 4 people's responsibilities for minimum wage.
Yes this is a form of abuse . Look for a new job ASAP
@@hotsauce1646 I agree. Even better, look for jobs that ask for those skills, and make sure they pay extra for them
I take it you don't have a Union job?
@@dannyb9223 yes soo true . Use them as they use you . Good one . I know this to be true . I have done what you said a couple of times myself .
@@Lonsoleil Join a Union so you can pay another corporation to not care about you any more than the first corporation does.
My coworker was asked to be the "temporary manager" , while they were doing the hiring search. She was told by Upper Management , it would be good experience for her, but they couldn't pay her the higher pay. She went back to school to get her Master's degree, since that would eventually be a requirement as a Manager. She ran the Department for over 18 months, when they finally hired a permanent Manager, she was told that she didn't qualify for the Manager position.
Love it. "You're not qualified for the job you have already been doing for 1.5 years". Do these people even listen to themselves?
@@Tie509 I know. The bad part is that my co worker continued to work there after all this.
@@LostSoulchild89 No. She didn't. I know longer work there, so I don't know what her current status is.
If that crap had been pulled on me, they would have had my immediate resignation.
Shupwrecked
To steel man, I think maybe the biggest reason for this exact thing is it, best case, might reflect bad on the company or, worst case, might even be illegal for some professions. If someone were to get hurt or a very bad financial move were caused by the decisions of the person in charge, they’d better be licensed and/ or degreed or things might turn out even worse for the company.
It seems like from the macro it would benefit employees, employers, and people impacted by their decisions but I could be wrong
Quiet hiring is how you train employees to get better paying jobs. If you train your employees to do more and they end up doing more and being more valuable, you'll have to reward them with a pay bump and a new title. Otherwise someone else will.
Exactly. Take advantage of the extra skills you learned and move on to a better job.
They won’t though, because they’re hoping you don’t know your newfound value.
Yup, this is the real trick, im happy to learn more and expand my skills on the job, but you can expect me to do that for 1 or 2 years at your company without giving me a significant pay raise or I'm going to find a company who values those skills more than you do.
Literally what happened to me, took on a bunch of extra stuff, slapped it on a resume, and got a job just last week working for $1.50 more an hour, with better hours, and less work, and benefits (which the old job didn't have)
Yep had several companies refuse to pay extra or even give annual raises we were promised for a lot of extra work. They made me more valuable than they can afford so I got a better job each time. However, the past few years pay is crap everywhere and employers aren't budging on it so I am trying to make a way to self employment.
Being in retail management, my favorite thing is being asked "Why are sales down in your departments?"
"Well, people just aren't buying, right now."
"No, its something you're doing... We will be taking a closer look at you."
I can't sell anything if there's no one in the store... Telling that to some corporate moron over the phone that lives in a southern state while I'm up North during a blizzard and half the city is closed due to the weather.
I am a manager for a store and here is from my district manager all the time. We have WAY less people due to construction happening right outside and making it inconvenient to come to this location when another, far more equipped location, is only 10 min walking distance. When I took over the store the construction started, and redirected traffic, thus reducing volume. Took long for headquarters to realize the guests that come in are outside our control entirely.
As for my staff, I tell them I am chill. My requirements are low, I only require be on time, communicate, and work clean. I don't jive with that pretend to work nonsense. I was in the military and it is stupid. I tell them if there is something that needs done, cleaning or whatever, do it. Otherwise just sit down and do something like our classes. I don't care if they relax till we have a guest as pretending to work is dumb and I can see right through it. I also told them the customer is NOT always right. They are here for a service and any business has the right to decline service, as long as it isn't illegal. If a customer fucks with my employees that guest is gone. I do not need or want their business. My employees come first and we will treat the guest with respect if it is done in kind. I never understood why people thought they can be an ass to employees at a business and think they can do it and still get served. Not on my watch, they can call upper management and complain about me. If upper management fires me over it, I will stand by what I did and said to protect my staff. They can fire me then.
At the start of every year, my department gets its hours slashed, and all the part timers have a god awful time paying for anything in their lives and we wonder why we lose so many prospective full time employees. Problem is that the start of the year comes after thanksgiving and Christmas. People buy a bunch more food around that time so we get a bunch more customers. Sales drop after that because we aren't going to sell nearly as many turkeys or hams or so on in January and February as we did in November and December....
But sales are down drastically from the last two months, it must be bad employees!
I worked at Sears. You are among friends.
Oh my fucking God this. This so fucking hard. I was one of the demo people in Costco. During fucking covid. Despite the fact we couldn't give out samples, they expected us to get the same numbers as when we could. Fucking morons, the lot of them. Quitting felt amazing.
She's a legit grifter. I have to give her props tho, she's figured out a way to do nothing and get paid for it.
Yeah, but not everyone works for someone who will waste time signing a potato for them.
Back in the 90's George Carlin had a skit on what he called "soft language"; aka euphemisms. George hated euphemisms because they conceal reality and they just show up out of nowhere without warning. And they just keep getting worse.
George wasn't a stand up comedian; he was a prophet.
I remember that one: "people of limited financial means... THEY'RE BROKE!!!"
@@nyctasiaselesq "They don't have a NeGaTiVe CaSh FlOw...THEYRE FUCKIN BROKE!"
He was the bishop in Dogma, unveiling "The Buddy Christ". Truly, a prophet.
And a philosopher
Carlin's soft language/euphemism bit went hand in hand with his bit on Boomers
Crazy how I'm just realizing this has been happening to me. I wanted to learn new skills so I allowed HR to "expand" my responsibilities, but when they wanted to promote me without changing my salary, "because I was basically doing the job anyway" I said HELL NO. Companies will find every way to take advantage of your hard work.
You should thank McRae if anything, its not that this is new its that she was accidentally honest enough, even if purely by accident, that while trying to boost her own visual presence and influence she gave you one of the oldest corporate tricks, its nothing new.
Turn it into your advantage by expanding and updating your resume and float it around
My boyfriend just reached the inevitable end of the “quiet hiring” process. His contractor term (initially 1 year and then extended to another year) was ended 6 months early with 2 weeks notice🤗. He was the top performing person in his department by the companies own monthly metrics (contractors and full time included).
And they wonder why GenZ doesn’t gaf about the company’s needs.
To be honest, company needs don't interest me the slightest fuck. Since we're in an ego-centric world what counts is what you get out of it for yourself. Companies do that all the time so why shouldn't you (or your BF) ?
This shit has been happening since forever, that's why we have all the quiet quitters and people all standing up at their jobs finally. This last generation is tired of the abuse.
Your no different, people from this generation are exploiters as well. And even worse so with all the reach they have now.
@@srose7366 my no different eh? Who is exploiting what? I don't think you know what you're talking about because it literally made no sense.
@@srose7366 how
How many people are making way more than they deserve but are still complaining they don't make enough?
@@lookupverazhou8599CEOs
Swindle is an excellent way to describe “quiet hiring”
A better phrase for it is "wage theft". Using promises they have no intention of honoring as a way to get employees to willingly take on extra work/responsibilities is fraud. The problem is its a sneaky form of fraud where they put in enough weasel words to give a legal out should the employee ever try to demand what is rightfully theirs.
I am retired. This lying crap has been going on forever. It’s not new. I remember one time 15 people were led to believe they were going to get the promotion if they just worked harder and did more outside of their job. In the end the job went to the managers girlfriend nobody got it! Remember people lie. Period.
the only difference is that the new generation has no hope in ever buying a house used cars are almost their yearly pre tax pay and have no ambition to work more cuz they'll never own anything in the first place. theirs no point in trying anymore.
Definitely been going on a long time indeed. Things have just gotten much worse and more wide spread. And it's all being blamed on us by everyone. Especially the older generation and the companies.
I did 80 hrs per week for an entire year,I am salaried, so I didn't get anything but a bunch of emails about how I saved the project and was so appreciated. This was planned project work and not emergency situation. I am an exempt employee, but this was straight abuse of the exempt status. Anyway, a year later they laid me off and stated they sent the role "offshore". Now, I typically work about 60 hrs a week, but the 80 was real tough for me. So, yeah, there is no benefit at these large enterprises.
The best thing about being a contractor is quitting. Then everyone is mad at you. The recruiters are mad, the company is mad. All you hear is but but, we were planning on moving you to full time. It was just being held up by paper work. I love hearing your takes on all the marketing speak employees hear from corporate Josh.
Definitely this, atrocious behaviour. I've known a lot of people in this situation being a contractor for 5 years, when in year 1 they said "we're thinking of hiring you fulltime we're just looking for the funds, we just need permission from the ceo, we just need to wait for this paper work". When my friend left this job for a better one, they lost their shit immensely and wouldn't respond to her about the money they owed for the final month.
Companies have been quiet hiring forever now, "Other Duties as Assigned" is the worst and second most abuse work place thing. Wage theft in all its forms of course is the worst and the two are obviously deeply linked.
True.
Hey since you're in the office we need you to escort the HVAC people for repair...
Yeah, this is an old story sold as new. These think tanks need to invent new buzz words to justify their fees as consultants.
Edit: Actually, the new part is that they're trying to pass this as a good thing.
I had to learn that "Other duties as assigned by management" the hard way. Pretty much an easy way to get employees to do 2 jobs while paying the salary for 1
This is 100% correct. They just assigned a buzzword to that exact phrase of the Job Requirements. I literally laughed this entire video. This is comical.
the biggest red flag of any company for me, is a manager who tries to be your friend.
Yup. It's like "We're a family here".
I spend holidays with my family. I'd take a bullet for my family. This is a transactional relationship and employers shouldn't be emotionally manipulating their employees.
Bwahaha
or act like they can even remotely relate to financial struggle
The best manager I've had literally told us in a meeting that "I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here, like you are, to get do work, get paid, and go home" Followed by, "and if you do anything that keeps that from happening, then I won't need to see you again"
@@joseph1150I work in the restaurant industry, and it's hard to keep work and life separate, because we see each other a hell of a lot more than we see our families, and spend holidays together. It creates such a weird dynamic. The restaurant industry is pretty trash, but we trauma bond so fuckin hard
I was victim of that shit in my previous job.
Started like: "So, this department is understaffed, so from time to time you will be doing the same function as them will doing your regular job.
And we are not training you because is temporary".
And then weeks later: "The other department no longer exist, now you are taking over their role and the role you have been doing and were trained for no longer exists.
And we will give you no training because you can learn on the go"
This happened to me. It was wage theft because when an employee quit, my boss lied and said they would hire someone but asked me to do their job plus mine with no extra pay. I quit in July but I was doing 6 jobs. My salary should have been over $200k for 6 jobs but it was $64k. After I quit the person who assumed my role which was 6 jobs plus his job, passed away on December 27th. He was 49 years old.
Yesterday my new boss asked me what I did at my old job and my new boss couldn't believe I did all that work.
9:46 Josh said it best
Twist, new boss next week adds way more work to your plate. 🙂
@@DrugTalkTV 🤣🤣🤣 oh no!
Literally same. We went from 7 team members to 3, starting even before the pandemic, constant promises to hire and yet none. Both our immediate assoc director and our exec directors left. And I was doing at least 3.5 of those jobs😅, happened to need to check their site a few months after I left and they were still trying to fill my role. Not at all surprising given the (State-determined) very meager pay 😑
there is no way you can do 6 jobs, there is not enough time in the day, you feelings got hurt and you determinied you were worth more than reality. i am a busienss owner, i work waaay more than a meager employee and i cant even do it, teach trump how to do it neither can he.
@@invalidaccount2315 you do realize not every job requires 8 hours of work, right? Not to mention some people are faster than others, or you can cut corners, or you can just do the bare minimum on something so the other parts can keep moving. It's not litetally "I worked 6 8 hours jobs every day", it's "I was asked to do the workload of 6 positions".
"why should I trust that you'll follow through on what you're telling me?" this is the perfect response to any corporate promise and I'll be using this next time
That HR brainstorming session sounds like a gathering of fortune-tellers having a gathering on finding a new way of conning people out of their money.
A coven of witches
HR is there to protect the company, not it’s employees. Seems like black magic to me.
I remember watching a video years ago about bs jobs, this definitely sounds like one of them
@@Roescoe hey that's rude to honest witches who do witchcraft for a living
HR got a little generous with the "brain" part of brainstorming.
When I was working at Ralphs, they offered me two different promotions, then took them away at the last second citing "union issues" after teaching me how to perform the tasks required for those positions (Deli Chef, Cheese Master. That way, they could have me perform the tasks without paying me for the positions. I got a second job that was taking priority over Ralphs, and quit from Ralphs soon after, to which the managers told me, "If you needed more money then we could've given you extra hours to work." That's not how this fucking works, and I know my worth.
That's the most annoying thing about management. It's not that they screw you over but that they think you are stupid enough that you'll thank them for it.
How funny that I've been "quiet hiring" since I started working. My first job was a Sales Associate at Sears (yeah, I'm old af, I know) in 2004. I did things my bosses asked that weren't literally in my job description, and those weren't really worth mentioning. But as I worked at places where I wanted to advance, like Disneyland, I did things that I look back on and realize were basically entirely other jobs. In fact, I, on my own, created a new position for restaurants that was a liason with the Maintenance department. I taught two co-workers at other restaurants what I had spent over a year learning and creating, and they both got promoted to manager off that position. And as the person who CREATED and shaped the position... I got nothing. In fact, I got the position taken away from me because I became increasingly unhappy with my management team for mistreating me for over 5 years after becoming a shift lead and working my brains out. Literally spent my first summer in that role working 6 days a week, 4 of those in 12 hour shifts, and learning to be lead for all but 3 positions in the restaurant. Oh, and I was also the only lead who asked to be trained in the positions I'd oversee so I knew wtf I was asking of people I'd be in charge of.
Not to mention I was, or at least my co-workers told me I was, a great lead/boss. I'm sure some didn't mean it, but when I had problems with staffing and my workers would volunteer to stay for me, but not for other leads for the same work literally the next day, I think that attests that I treated them well and they felt appreciated when working for me, which I did and tried to show it in the limited ways I could.
This has followed me into my construction career. I got hired as office admin, answering phones, scheduling the CEOs meetings, and it only took months to take on things like helping processing payroll, ordering company equipment, even minor IT work. That eventually turned into me creating, from pretty much scratch, their safety program. And then I got let go after the company was bought out because my "position doesn't exist within our corporate structure". That's right, a construction company without a safety dept? No, they just didn't have safety COORDINATORS, so it was nice to be thanked for all that work (without a raise btw) for 2 years. So this isn't a "new work trend". This is just corporate repackaging of an old idea they want to sell. Literally.
God I hate it here. Lmao.
Yep. I was about to say, this is not new!! I had one job tell me to change lightbulbs in a display and said I am not an electrician. Honestly I was scared to do it with the fixtures on-but everything else any employer asked me to do, never got the slightest acknowledgment for my enthusiasm-certainly no raises.
Sounds to me like you should start your own company. With blackjack! And hookers!....
Sorry, that last part is a force of habit...
so essentially... quiet hiring is something older than my grandpa, but its being sold as "the new trend". These people really think we are THAT dumb?!?!?
it used to be known as the aftermath to "downsizing".
I used to work at Amazon and they have been doing that for the last 5 years it really isn't a new thing
I'm starting a new labor term: calling it "quietly getting dumber". More acronyms in the workplace, managers admitting they have no idea how I do my job, I'll just appear dumber and dumber but have a good attitude so I get promoted into management.
It's intelligence and counter intelligence. Make it seem like nonsense, so they can make none sense of it.
Dumb is far from silent these days 😒
How about dumbass management!
You should read Scott Adams' Dilbert book "The Way of the Weasel." Actually, everyone here should lol
raises hand.
Loyalty and dedication are no longer seen as admirable traits...
They are seen as exploitable ones.
Definitely DONT get more personal with your job/boss/coworkers. If youre having problems, especially with the job, just leave. They will use everything you say against you.
I feel a weird mix of blessed and survivors guilt whenever I hear of stuff like this, because the manager of my last job never expected more of us than what our job was. He also didn't spout the whole "On time is 10 minutes late" bs, and when we were on break, we were on break, no exceptions.
Oh man, that on break thing reminds me of my last job. My boss would PURPOSELY schedule deliveries, pickups and drop-offs to coincide with our breaks so he could force us to load and unload without paying us extra and get more work out of us in a day.
@@6AxisSage Man I would've worked through it then clocked out for my break afterwards. He wanted to take scruff about it, he'd be more than welcome to. I'd document it. Keep tabs on it. And if he wrote me up for it, I'd take it to OSHA about labor violations. That break is legally entitled and cannot be interrupted. Do so at your own risk.
@@krel7160 Add to that you can actually be fired for willfully violating it as well.
My personal strategy has been to take on the new position, get the title, hold it long enough to stick, then leverage it in the interviews for a new job with better pay.
We call that quiet training, get trained for the role you want and when they get comfortable and won’t promote you with your desired pay, whoopsie got offered a new position.
In your experience how is that time? 10-20 months?
I’ve done this too.
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX I've done this before as well. It only took me 3 months to learn enough about the job to put it on my resume.
I too employ this strategy . .lol
She made fetch happen.She just wrote an article telling you what companies are already doing to employees and have for decades-adding and changing your job duties. She came up with a new term for it. She spent 20 hours and performed a hippie meditation ritual to come up with this idea, which is a non-idea and gas lit her supervisors that this was an innovative insight.
Well said 😂
She's amazing...
Honestly, I gotta respect that hustle it's kinda genius the way she framed it and got employers to pay her prob a lot of money for bs. I'm not even that mad, just impressed 😂
The employers still suck tho
at least she got it in to mainstream media so more ppl are aware of it and can avoid it more effectively
It's even spread to fast food. Taco Bell tried pulling this as I was only authorised to do food the service people get paid more, the manager asked me to take care of customers orders and I responded pay me the difference in the job title and i will. She walked and laughed stating i was funny. My response was walking out to go seek another job
Damn. I messaged you 6 days ago mentioning the new team "quiet quitting" on Facebook and you already have this well researched content. I'm guess you were already ahead of the curb on this nonsense. Thanks for producing content as fast as the nonsense is being spewed.
Or how about this? You OFFER A RAISE to those who want to take on more responsibilities, and then not only do you get the work done, the employee *wants* to do it!
That's so crazy, It may just work. Your fired!
Quiet Hiring is literally just the HR equivalent of "paying in exposure".
Exposure: if you get paid with it, you can die from it!
My favorite Hr story: I was trying to hire an hourly worker to operate packaging equipment. The employee had worked at 3 companies in 10 years, increasing their wages at each step going from manual labor to supervising a line. The head of Hr denied the hire since the employee was only motivated by greed. When I pointed out that their company bio (before Linked in) stated that they had also worked at 3 other companies in a decade, they stated they were seeking new responsibilities. When I asked if each position came with more money, the Hr said that they went to college and so had higher aspirations.
Now days, we constantly have talking heads talk about the waste of going to college. Don't believe them, four years of college is valued more than a decade of working in the trenches. Plus for some reason employers seem to believe that a degree provides proof of morale and intellectual superiority.
I'll have to disagree, at least in my experience. I beat out two compscie grads, with the following certs. MTA 347,367,368. Comptia A++, Comptia Net +, Comptia Sec+, Cisco CCNA, and a CISSP associate cert. My college years experience: 5 years active duty army enlisted. MOS 12B.
@@SaanMigwell Tbf, the average compaci grad still knows next to nothing in cybersecurity and networking
@@SaanMigwell IT is still a field where you can get hired with Certifications. However, that is also changing for ITD. The reason is the many of these Certifications don't necessary prove you actually know anything, but that you passed a Test and got certified. So many IT departments are now requiring a Degree and knee pads.
In addition, IT management is increasingly educated (IE College Degrees) and they know very little about Technology. So they are beginning to value Degrees versus Certifications and many of these Certifications have become hoops to jump thru for the companies and a way to make $$$. It used to mean something at one point that you were Certified, now it's almost a requirement.
I got hired straight out of the Military for an IT job without any College Degree and/or any certifications (also very little knowledge). However, since I had come from a Military background and had a TS/Clearance I was hired. I wouldn't be able to get that job today even with my MSCA, MSCE, 25 years of experience, SQL & SQL + experience, VBS scripting, PowerShell Scripting and building Server, etc. Today they want me to be a Project Manager, they want me to become ITIL Certified, COR Certified they care more about the B.S. than me actually being able to do my job.
A degree proves your consistency to work hard
Depending on the major, a degree provides proof the potential employee will simply follow instruction.
There should always be, somewhere in the conversation, a question about the total salary of the CEO and/or the investors. Especially if they bring up the argument of "it's a hard time for the company".
All these companies come up with all these bullshit terms to avoid employees talking about one simple important issue. "Paying the Employees".
I domt care much about the pay....but more that they have someone on payroll with the IQ of a donut leading these projects into a train to hell.
Employees need to know their rights better as well. It is illegal for any company to hint, suggest, or outright say that you can't discuss your pay or others pay while at work or whenever you want. Shitty employers will do that to try and scare you and keep people from demanding what they are worth. At the end of the day, if people would stick together and research their rights under labor laws, they could literally look at their bosses and tell them to F off, if and when they get told to not discuss pay between colleagues. It's literally against the law for any employer to even hint about not discussing pay.
@@LeadRakFPS My favorite line is "we care about you and your safety, they have all sorts of reminders hanging around, but we know that's at best a half truth.
Yep.
This lady brainstorms what will happen in the future and gets paid six figures, I do it and get diagnosed with anxiety lmao
The key is the potato. Or the mindfulness exercises, who knows really...
A few years ago, worked for a company where a succession of eager beavers, myself included, went above and beyond, learning the whole system, advising other colleagues, became experts... and got nothing back for it at all, so eventually just walked out, myself included. There's just no point in the modern workplace.
Flashbacks to my last 9 to 5 where I was one of 4 supervisors overseeing the needs and work flow of the rest of our employees and how my "quiet hiring" myself to try to "help more" ended up making everyone else's work life hell, my own included, as they used my work stats as the new baseline of expected performance and punished others for not juggling 3 positions they weren't hired to perform at the same time. Lesson learned. If not asked to do it, will never do it again. Unfortunately, they also punished me for doing the things I was tasked with doing since I was, "too effective" and "too meticulous" for their expectations; aka I was finding where too many other supervisors kept fucking up and fixing it and since none of the other supervisors had time to find their own mistakes, much less other people's mistakes, they accused me of hacking their software and making up the mistakes I found, as if anyone had the time to do that much less know-how. And no matter how many times I pleased, "the mess ups are a direct result of the fact you cut each shift by 2 workers on average and we have nearly double the workload as it is, so that much pressure and stress on anyone is guaranteed to mean human error," they would turn around and show me my stats and say, "we don't see the issue here, so we're not going to consider what you're saying."
Ffs, just because I can multitask doesn't mean punish others who can't. Fuck that place.
That scammer above me is probably the same kind of person your bosses were, lol.
The only quiet hiring we have at our company is how the top sales person's nephew becomes a branch manager, how the COO's daughter gets hired as our HR Manager with no HR experience and so on. the quiet part is don't speak up or you instead will be shown the door.
That basically describes every company I've ever worked for
Corruption / Graft / Inefficiency - whatever you want to call it.
C*nts gonna C@nt.
The corporate world is hell.
PLEASE quit. I've worked for this kind of company before and did not take my own advice and leave on my own terms. One day I walked in and got fired, zero severance, plus got a few subtle insults thrown at me by the owner. There is nothing to be gained from working at a company like this, and the peace of mind by leaving on your own terms will be more than worth it.
I remember the company I work for all the 3 hr ladies were family, They were training one the hr lady daughter and the top manager where also family give them high position and they are clueless what they are doing. If you correct them they get mad and start giving less hours most of the driver we had in our company manager where potheads we bringing this up to hr they don't do anything they just say they will talk to them cause they are all connected family 💀 I got a group a friend we all left cause most of us got tired of this shit now there businesses going down hill. Because new people see this and leave after a few months in the job also all you say is true.
This is seriously my last job in a nutshell. I literally was doing 6 jobs and hadn't gotten a raise in many years. I asked for one and they offered .45 cents. I was making 14.50 (which was min wage at the time and I had worked there for 7 years) at a warehouse job and Taco Bell in the same area was hiring people starting at 16.00. The best thing I ever did for myself was quit that job and go back to school.
Get everything in writing. If they say they'll give you this promotion, get them to sign and date it on paper and in an email. If they say there are other conditions, get them to specify those conditions so when they're met, you can call them out. All on paper. Paper trails are vital!
HAHAHA they will never sign something like that
@@albertogonzalez7631 then no deal easy peasy
@@albertogonzalez7631 I did exactly this at an old job, they signed it assuming it wouldn't hold water. Never underestimate the stupidity of management. I got a nice payout, and they got lovely large fines when their manager denied me a signed for promotion.
Then you can sue them.
@@Nempo13 nice
You know Emily, you've been doing such a good job playing with potatoes and making up words, we think you're a good fit for a new learning opportunity. It involves working as a team with Milton downstairs, investigating the inner workings of the state welfare office from an end user perspective.
For a second I was like, Huh?
Don't worry if people act like you got fired, you're just going deep cover... 🤣
Perfect execution of HR word vomit
@ncktuley1 Yeaaaaah about thaaaat... I kinda broke it, but I gave you mine as a replacement.
Hahaha
I've worked at many companies throughout my life (50+)
I wanted more experience, and when I got bored I quit and found another job.
Over time, changing jobs became to me like changing something disposable, like buying new clothes and then changing them, when they become unusable.
(except that clothes last a lot longer than positions at companies in my case :D )
Companies and owners/managers became a meme to me, can't take any of that seriously, when its so easy to replace them, all full of BS.
Experience alone has given me a different view of things.
BUT this channel has given an extra layer of meaning and information for me.
Glad there's a community around it as well.
Thank you for creating this channel Josh!
You sound like someone they'd be glad to get rid of.
So they just said the quiet part out loud. "Your quiet quitting? Fine well im gonna exploit you then!"
"Uh, you have been exploiting me this whole time"
Quiet hiring just sounds like (as usual) companies are doubling down on the bad practices. This whole thing just sounds like putting a sheet over the problem and thinking we don't have object permanence.
Ho-lee-crap! You're a damned wizard, Josh! This is EXACTLY the crap we got shoveled at us during a quarterly division-wide video conference just yesterday! I've been fed this "You're being groomed for a promotion" BS before, and it just resulted in more and more requirements being added onto my job for no additional money, and then being negatively rated when I couldn't do the extra HOURS of work for no raise and NO OVERTIME!
So basically the "other duties as assigned" line on every job I've ever had?
That ending was epic!
I'm so glad the workforce widely recognizes quiet quitting. It's been done for decades. I've left jobs that were exactly like described (not appreciated, job role changed to something else than what I was hired for), one in a very memorable way the day it came to a head and I decided to walk out. First I told off my boss in front of HR, who instantly became powerless to do anything to me. He exploded. He raged. I chuckled and ignored him as I cleaned out my office and that made him even madder until he vanished from the area. God it was satisfying.
My manager tried to pull this crap on a lady before. She was hired to work only in restocking and organizing shop items, work for 5 hours and then leave. A few weeks pass and now Manager wants her to also start taking orders, make drinks, ect and immediately the lady just said "If I wanted to work this job I'd go anywhere else that pays me more for it" she left and never came back.
Honestly based, good for her. Don't put up with that manipulative crap. It's exactly why when my manager tried prodding into our private life like we're "friends" I keep things extremely nebulous at best.
Lol I was waiting for your video explaining this. I saw a head line and knew it would be so stupid reading it would hurt my brain. Glad to know this "new trend" is an old trend that has been going on forever. AKA overworking your employees and expecting them to do jobs they aren't paid for.
One of the cheapest ways to negotiate is to promise to maybe possibly give someone something at an unspecific point of time in the future.
Imagine if employees suggested to their employers that they'd be maybe possibly willing to work some overtime a couple years from now if they got a big raise now.
Personally I always take advantage of these opportunities. I then start to lock down the area.
1) All reference material will get moved to a server I control
2) Anyone who knows how to do the task will be moved to other things (I also destroy all their records)
3) Any training I give people will have them using software/documents I built
I then ask for a raise ~8 months later and frame the raise around how I've done all this "work" to consolidate information and simplify the process, in addition to the task itself. Basically within 2 years EVERY essential department task hinges on me. You can give me the raises and continue to enjoy unnaturally productive results OR I'll leave and the entire department will crumble (because Ive locked down everything important)
I always take advantage of manager laziness
Beware if they hire a “junior” that they give admin rights. Though managers and leadership are often lazy and stupid, it’s always a good idea to bring in cheaper talent.
@@tawnygirl2000 That's exactly who I am. The junior with admin rights, signing rights, financial approval rights, purchasing rights, invoicing rights, etc.
I was the cheap talent & I've gotten 20-40% pay raises every year for the last 3 years. They thought they were playing me... but I was playing them
It's not just managers, other people are too lazy to open a notepad, so I usually end up with all the knowledge. Then when someone needs something, I help them (they won't bother writing it down). And then they will ask me the same thing next month. This made me highly valuable since whenever there was just a hint of a small issue, people just automatically ran to me.
Then I asked for a raise, basing it on the fact that people need me. If I left, things would work for about a month.
One of my previous employers declined my request, so I decided to leave the company. Then someone from management came to me a tried to convince me to stay and suggested I could be a manager. There was no paper to sign, no formal offer. So I left.
Also the managers don't understand that if they "quietly hire" someone they will will become really dependent on that someone and when that person leaves the company, it might become an issue that you cannot solve with a potato.
Coming to think of this.. I have basically locked all of the improvements and paperworks and training materials I did to myself probably the best decision I made.
The absolute mad lad🫡
Insane topic and tour approach. Yet another subscriber.
When I joined the workforce they called this being a team player and spoke of being like family. As years progressed it just got worse.
Some families are abusive.
Currently doing tier I and II it helpdesk work, and when I asked my boss if I would officially be promoted to Tier II with tier II level pay, he said he'd have to see if its in the budget and talk with HR. Currently looking for a new job, I can already see where this is headed.
You are a smart. You see it. You get it. I'm glad to hear people figuring this out. "Job hopping" isn't nearly as bad as people are lead to believe.
If i where you i would quite doing tier 2 al together when they say they cant pay. Never do something your ain't payed for.
@@matthewseals8110exactly every time I’ve taken a new job in the past decade I’ve gotten a higher paying job than what I had
Ah I always love the weaseling of "we can't offer you a role now but if you're good enough we might in the future" Ive got to the point with that when I contract that if you tell me that I nod my head, agree, go "mm mm yeah okay" then go right back to my cubicle and start career cushioning myself into a place that isn't going to try and gaslight me.
"Excellent, then I'll get right to work on those things as soon as you give me that role and the associated benefits!"
“We’ll see” is the biggest lie a boss tells us. I can’t believe I fell for it so many times.
It reminds me of the 1990's where managers all read the same book or article about a revolutionary new management concept : tinker toy team training, paradigms, quality circles, total quality management and many others. It would sweep in a big wave across industries and each company had a slightly different propagation delay. Many of the ideas showed up in Dilbert cartoons. Some of the techniques were supposed to be done to circumvent the poor management in the company (quality circles) and thus could get you fired. Many of them were so managers could teach all their employees to think more flexibly and congratulate themselves on how enlightened they were. Most of the techniques merely gave the employee back some extra time to be strategic, which had been scheduled out of their job and were trying desperately to meet quotas. Many of them were pointless, because subsequent disruptions in the work environment would undermine all their strategic plans (Franklin scheduling training) or some time management program would require documenting all the time spent on strategic thinking, raising red flags.
Of course, some management experts had to write the books or articles. McRae is just another of the same. The next revolutionary idea will just undermine some parts of this "quiet hiring" idea and overall there will be no gains as each new idea removes some of the foundation of the others.
There is no underlying solid management design but just a bunch of half-baked values fighting for recognition.
So many workers today are contractors, so they get no reliable review cycle and get punished for drawing outside the lines. This lack of structure and incentives will kill this latest concept.
I've been quiet hired (according to the fad's description). Boss told me: here are the 2 or 3 things someone needs to do, it's not enough to hire a new guy, play ball and in 3 months we'll give you a raise. 3 months later I got the raise. I think it all boils down to the workplace ethics and who your boss is. Also here in Poland the job laws are different and if you play your hand right you can get paid or ruin lives if "they" don't hold their part of the bargain.
Remember when Quiet Hiring used to be described as training or improving the quality of your workforce? Remember when they used to pay people more money for going through that training and taking on that extra responsibility?
Yea buisness owners love that you live on that idea even if they mention it once? They lataer say "i never promissed you such a thing you must be imagining things". Hence silent quitting was born.
Pepperidge Farm remembers...
Yea, that was the trend when I started working in the 80s. You had your core essential job tasks listed for you at your base pay and then a list of optional cross training for other job roles. Every one included a defined pay raise and list of expanded expectations. It also let you define your availability if you wanted to move from part time to full or be available to get called in for over time or coverage for sick/vacations of other tasks because you were more versatile.
I haven't seen that kind of methodology in decades now. It's either minimalist approach or vloluntold exploitation with no incentive.
I've been quiet hired in every job I've had. The moment I stand up for myself I get ostracized.
This happened to my wife, she had been working effectively as a senior rank in her role, so with a lot of responsibility and a lot of extra work, without being given the prestige and the salary with it.
Then at one point she finally managed to achieve that promotion, but even then, for a couple more months she only had the prestige, a different job title, but still for the same salary. Only now she was given the salary she deserves for having been providing senior-level output in a junior position for almost a year. At least they promised to backdate her salary for those 2 months.
And she is a lucky one.
I do this to myself, so I am even worse. I have been putting forward process improvements to make my job even just doable, doing what my manager should had done long ago. Also, I have my own self-started projects because I have my own goals to achieve, but whether I will get any genuine recognition for them that go beyond mere words, is yet to be seen.
According to the definition every company ever has done this for a long time. They have always put people in positions they have no experience in and have not been hired for. (especially if they cannot find anyone to do the job because they don't want to pay appropriately for it) But apparently we need a new trendy buzzword for that.
I was going to say the same.
It’s been going on for decades. They just named it now. 🤦🏼♂️
@@michaeldalton8374 From my personal experience it seem to be very excessive lately. A lot of terrible practices aren’t necessarily new but increasing in frequency and extent.
Well the one that seems kinda new is contractors that get fully embedded with a team of full time employees, get managed like they're a full time member of the company, and have similar expectations as other full time employees, but on paper are absolutely not! They are a contractor with limited benefits.
I can confirm that this practice happened to me 2 years ago in 2020-- on the night before Christmas break, not a letter, but a personal phone call. I went along for the ride, but my decision not to renew the contract led to a lot of stress and hardship -- in the public sector it's complicated by the appeal to "we don't have the funding" --Thanks for doing the legwork on this phenomenon, and the propaganda that enables it.
You absolutely NAILED this subject!
You want to know what my favorite part about this is? It perfectly tells employees what to watch out for lol. Hi, i'm an IT contractor for over 5 years now and have apparently been "quiet quitting" the entire time XD. Easiest red flag at a company hands down is when they ask you to do more than what is laid out in your contract or job description without proper compensation for doing so. Have fun telling all of your bosses no when they ask you to do more work for no compensation everyone! ^-^
Also when you apply and it states " other duties as assigned".
@@kylegreer1986that one can really get you.
" Gee, you gotta be more adaptable! Arent you a team player". Nice black mark to have on your record.
🤔🫠😱😵
If you Quiet Hire, don't be surprised if people Quiet Quit. Nothing like being told to do job duties of a parallel role or role up the rung from you, with no promotion or raise involved. That's a great way to get people to do strictly what's expected, before trying to move to another job where their talent might actually be rewarded.
Every single dishwashing job I've ever had wanted me to train new dishwashers how to do the job. I never did because in my head I'm thinking "This is manager stuff. I'm not doing manager stuff for nothing extra." And I always told them to watch how I did the job and if they could do it they'd get it, if not oh well. If the boss or manager asked me why I didn't train them I'd just be like: "Idk how to train people, I was military taught by my sister and I'm pretty sure I can't just start barking orders at people so idk how to train them." Never was a problem again.
I want to know how the hell can they keep generating buzzwords one after another? 🤔
BS'ers gonna BS.
Content is content my man. I am grateful.
You'd be surprised how much bs people can invent when they are paid to meditate and chat with a potato.
They do nothing else, they have all day to think about it.
@Hudson Hamman stop playing games and pay your employees better or stop defending exploitative workplace practices.
Thanks Joshua for once again reminding me that becoming an independent contractor some 9 years ago was the best career move I've ever made. Never again will I have to suffer from corporate cattle manure like this again.
Part of me is glad it still exists, though, because otherwise I wouldn't have these videos as entertainment. Keep it up!
So here is the thing. If I get quiet hired, I want to be quiet paid for the extra work, or I'm quiet quitting
Good luck lol
This happened at my first teaching job. I got a job teaching middle school science in a charter school. Teachers in public schools get an hour of prep-time. Instead of an hour of prep-time, I had to teach a reading class. Then, I had to plan lessons after school as unpaid overtime. Needless to say I quit. I didn't give them two weeks notice. I didn't owe that to them.
Honestly I love your channel !! Thank you for calling out the BS that these companies have been feeding us for so long 🙄
0:28 right now I got hired and was told that I would get a review and a raise after 3 months and after 4 months of working multiple different jobs I was told that they changed the policy around the month I was supposed to get my review.
So I couldn't get a raise even tho in my employment agreement I was told I was.
So not only did I did my job in hvac but I also did many many different jobs
Quiet Hiring will soon be poison on job reviews, mark my words. Thanks for giving us an easily understandable label for what's been happening in all workplaces for decades so that we can effortlessly call it out when we see it.
I was the subject of "quiet hiring" back in 2009 except I wasn't properly trained for the position and continuously told management about my concerns. (I was the first guinea pig of the newish GM's little experiment of cross-training employees in all departments; he said he picked me first because I was a good worker and had been with the company for close to six years.) The "training" I received was woefully inadequate and I was often left to run the department by myself. My concerns kept falling on deaf ears until I was so stressed out that I just walked out. I was so fortunate I was in a position to do so; I was living at home and transferring to university the next year. During my "formal" exit, I presented a document on how management failed me, but of course they tried to turn it around on me. Oh yeah, this was not long after I asked for a raise and was told the shareholders wouldn't like that. Fudge that manager and company. That particular store is no longer there; it turned into a much needed grocery store.
After watching this video, I realized I have been QUIET HIRED! Thank you for doing this! Now I know my worth!
I think I've been quiet hired for every job I've ever worked.
A lot of this stuff happened to me because, of course, no one tells you what to look out for in college. So the first decade of my work experience has been pretty exploitative. And you kind of have to do it because of student debt. It’s becoming an unhealthy dynamic.
The key is to learn to exploit them back. Let them train you for skills you want to develop anyway, ask for metrics& KPIs to show you're excelling, then use that on a resume/in an interview for another job that pays more. Don't be afraid to use jobs that exploit you as stepping stones to a company that will recognize and pay your worth. Only be loyal to yourself and your career goals when it comes to employment cuz there's no such thing as "loyal" employers anymore. Don't even stay for coworkers that you like or have befriended cuz they're not paying your bills or paying off your debts. They'll be ok when you leave. I've learned that the hard way and missed out on good job opportunities while those same coworkers I felt guilted into staying for moved onto other jobs themselves.
Good luck with all your endeavors!