How Mojang FAILED At PvP In Minecraft Legends
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2023
- Everyone is in concensus here... Minecraft Legends PvP was not made well at all... I want to be constructive, and go over many things Mojang can do to FIX PvP in Legends!
Minecraft Legends is an all-new action strategy game from Mojang Studios launching in 2023. Explore a gentle land of lush biomes and rich resources on the brink of change. The Piglin invasion has begun, and it’s up to you to inspire your allies and lead them in strategic battles to save the Overworld!
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Dude your points are dead on. I love your idea that if you are high ranked on a leaderboard you have a special item/banner on your well or something.
Yes!
Or even randomly assigned roles little banners given to each player so even if you can't talk with each other there is still a general idea on what to do
Truly hope Minecraft takes this video and actually use it! It's overwhelmingly apparent that people are upset with the lack of good pvp options and tools! Thanks for doing what you do Prowl to make all of our voices heard!
They can turn this ship around!
@@Prowl8413 AGREED 💯 this absolutely was a BANGER of a video!
It was clear before the game was opened to the public that PvP was going to be the late game activity after you've finished the campaign. However, it feels that they didn't really put in the effort to make it work with strangers. It seems to really only be fun with friends.
Yep, when it could be so so much more!
well what probibly happend was they dident test pvp with randows who are new and got tunnel vision by playing ether with the same pepole or voice chat was redily avalible and dident antisapate the need for comunication
@@marckasprzyk9276 That's exactly what I thought as well, except maybe with some better spelling >:)
Definitely one of the misses
Haven't touched campaign yet. Pvp only. It's fun. Could be better. Hopefully with time people most learn the base mechanics. I just leave and head into the next lobby when the game is pointless (mates don't attack npc's, build like dog poo).
This video is amazing, and has everything I personally want to see in the game. However, as someone who sees this game from a bit more a MOBA angle than just an rts angle, I think there is one thing that the game will inevitably need, especially if a ranked mode is put in place - a reporting system.
No matter how hard you try to prevent it, there will always be someone in a game like this that does their best to ruin the experience for everyone else on their team. Trolls, if you will. Even with things like the potential split unit pool you mentioned, which fixes the potential trolling method of recalling constantly, and split resources keeping your teamates from spending all your resources, you still overlooked the fact that your teammates can remove your buildings - which is, mind you, a critical feature of the game that prevents a trolling method in it's own right, improvement hub boxing. But, it does mean that someone can still just go around your base undoing every building you attempt to create, which for obvious reasons is a bad thing. In a team game where trust in your teammates is an essential core of the gameplay, there will always be some way that your teammate can betray that trust - and there should be punishments for doing so. Otherwise, the game may end up in an incurably toxic state which will hurt or potentially kill the game no matter how many other features are implemented.
EDIT: And now thinking about it, there is more than just active trolling, there is inactive trolling. Someone can ruin your game not only by actively harming you, but by doing nothing, leaving your team down a player. No system you can implement, other than a potential report system, can deal with an issue like that from ruining games.
Yes, definitely reporting and some sort of anti-cheat will be needed
I am not much of a PvPer but I understand it draw. If the PvP is poor, it can ruin the game. Hopefully Mojang has an update or two up their sleeves.
Hopefully they see this video :)
@Prowl I’m having trouble making 4 player campaign can only make a 2 player campaign but other friends have the 4 player campaign I can’t seem to find a way to fix it
Some consoles wont do 4 player, only 2
I wish mojang watches this, great points! The game is has really good potential!
Thanks! I hope they see it
They definitely need to add a free for all mode; that would be amazing with friends because then people can politic and build alliances to take out another player and duke it out at the end. This game has alot of potential
Tried doin pvp with 2 buddies last night. Turns out as of right now you can’t even choose your teams before matchmaking. So if we wanted to play pvp together one of us would be on the enemy team 🤦🏽♂️
Nope you can't... but they did recently acknowledge that this is going to be patched soon.
@@Prowl8413 i'll be happy if they get it patched within a week. they really gotta act fast while the game's still hot. I've seen to many games patched too a great state only after losing their player base
I'd definitely be a lot more interested in playing if they added many of the features you talked about that for sure! Keep up the good work man! Let's gooo!
Jaiden!
@@rynow1992 how's it going?!
Thanks!
One full watch, like and comment for you. I hope Mojang listens to a lot of this feedback, it'd be a HUGE set of improvements.
Thanks a lot!
ive been having such a hard time finding games with my friends and when we do nobody seems to know what they are doing ! we arent amazing but we have a good idea of what were doing, and it just feels a little frustrating
I feel you on this... as I laid out, the game needs work... may just need to give it some time and see if they turn it around.
im feeling they will fix everything once they figure out how to add a battlepass
Wondering if they even want to though
@@Prowl8413 true, i forgot there is a "store" in-game so they might focus on providing dlc like the lost portals and more skins since Dungeons already has a battlepass which i think fails in comparison to other games. Even how this game plays with no real XP, I would scratch my head if my boss told me to figure out how to add a battlepass to this game.
Yo man do you maybe know a way to fix login bug for unlinking ur account like there is on minecraft bedrock?. I login on the wrong account and u can not unlink it to connect to de right one
Sorry I dont
I'm glad you made this video, it has some really good points. I hope they do add a lot of these features but it will definelty take a while to implement.
Thanks!
Almost everything you mentioned here is exactly what I thought was going to be in the base game, hopefully they get around to adding some if not most of these features as I really love this game and would hate to see it diminish
Same here
I would also like local multiplayer on console because I like playing with family but with multiplayer only being online we would have to get multiple copies of the game and use multiple devices instead of joining on the same device and copy of the game.
Legends needs to be a live-service game but it would mean they should consider making the PvP free-to-play. It could actually help increase player count for PvP which would decrease que times. It'd have to be a split like Fortnite did when they released the BR side.
Honestly, I can't justify spending +$40 and pay even more through a battle pass. The market place alone gives me a bad taste with a high price attached to the entry alone. But if they did switch the PvP to a f2p I could justify paying for a battle pass.
the f2p better be buttcheeks compared to the full game tho i stg if they make the $40 irrelevant ima b mad
The biggest problem i have is the lag in online matches ( i play on my switch) i would love to play online but the matches are so laggy i don’t really bother. Next thing that bothers me is online mounts are not in there home biome like they should be, i want to use the bug mount but its not in its native biome like it should be its random.
Lets Fix It!
Yes!
A lot of good ideas. I, myself, would love to be able to play against one or more AIs since I'm not a huge PvP player. And with that I mean AIs that also attacks, not just defends. And to be able to change the difficulty of the AI/AIs.
Yes, great idea that they should definitely have available!
this is too much for Mojang lol...
it will take them at least 3 or 4 years for fix it xD
They could do it in 6-12 months incrementally if they put their full efforts towards it
Literally can't play with people that aren't my friends and I have no external voice chat except ps4 party
Yeah, some sort of in-game VC is very much needed!
Я не использую Discord или другие сторонние программы. Играю на XBOX. Это реально выводит из себя, когда чувствуешь, что только ты один что-то делаешь, а другие то сразу пытаются напасть, не думая о последствиях, другой строит стены близко, с одними воротами, что занимает время при выходе из базы. К тому же пару раз натыкался на гриферов, или диверсантов. Пускай добавят возможность исключения из команды. У этой игры огромный потенциал, может даже чуть ниже, чем Warcraft, Dota 2, что принесёт массу денег в корпорацию.
Everything sound really good point for making the PVP game fun but I do have one issue in PVP is that the public PVP take a long time waiting for other random players to joined in and once they join they just be out of PVP. they should add a timer to find even player quikly, or something like quick play public PVP.
if they are going to add voice/text/ping, i would also want an option to disable voice/chat/ping, people will use it to harass team-mates when it doesnt go their way, i would rather see them expand gameplay(feels limited)
Yep
Let's gooooo!!!
Also I’ve had situations in pvp where there was a 5v4 some how we had 5 actual players it was weird vs 4 other players lol
What! lol I havent seen that
Someone send this to the devs all of this is very important
Thanks! I sent it to their PR team, hopefully it makes its way up the chain!
Wow so many great points u named all that i had and added many more and they all seem possible not out of the ordinary at all. Great vid❤
It's all pretty normal stuff
Mate its not really a 1/10 tho is it? Its not massively buggy, its completely playable, and can be fun given the right circumstances. It has plenty of issues but its hardly worthy of the lowest possible multiplayer score. Its middling at best but nowhere near utterly abysmal
I think its deserving of a 1/10. Too many missing features kill it completely. You can't even really enjoy the generally fun gameplay with friends, as you can't get on the same team in a public match. You can't enjoy it aline because you can't queue alone. You can't enjoy it in random pubs due to the issues that I laid out... and almost everyone has left the game already, as it takes several minutes to get into a multiplayer match best case scenario... meaning not enough people are playing for matchmaking to happen quickly.
For a game from a huge franchise, woth access to hundreds of millions of players, the multiplayer sadly deserves a 1/10. Yeah it's not technically unplayable, but the circumstances make it work out that way.
7:35 I hate the recall feature it shouldn’t recall troops that are in active combat or have been rallied and or have been given an order also I have to take off cross play in order to play with other ps4 players to get party chat active since there is no communication in game besides pings…smh lol
Oh yeah, its TERRIBLE in PvP as implemented. I think my fix of it asking permission would be perfect.
Absolutely your best Legends video yet! Every point dead on! Mojang would be crazy to not take this video to heart.
Thanks!
If they added voice chat, they definitely shouldn't add parental control to force it off, that'd be just taking ability to make in game friends, making it boring. What's the point of most people playing games? To have a wonderful time with people as well as making new contacts and friends. Many parents would simply force that option to be off as they'd be living in sense of that everybody who plays this game is some sort of pedo after their kid, and am speaking from experience. Many times my parents were doing their best to cut me off the internet, and literally destroy my online friendships just cause "they wanted to keep me safe" it is honestly insane how much control is given to parents sometimes, and what are they doing in acto of "safety". Taking away ways of making friends is not a safety play, but making your kid having a depression, as they see people around them having fun with eachother, but they can't as they parents say "these all people are pedos in denial, I will not allow you to contact them"
Great Video Prowl, hopefully Mojang is listening and watching this Video!!!!!
Thanks mino!
Bro PVP has been the only thing I am playing
Its fun, but it needs so much more to it!
@@Prowl8413 first and only thing in my opinion ( aside from bug fixes have you seen the galaticus glitch ( player model from lobby floating in the sky and animated ) is voice chat or even a quick chat a list of I got this who is doing this, we're under attack, rush em lads etc would be amazing because after all communication is a huge part of any strategy game
There's allot of potential but allot of things need to change for 1 creepers are over powered this game could be very popular
I think a live service Minecraft game is not the best idea
I think your ideas really work for other games but I do not think that this is the point of the game, I think that it’s just mean to be a lot less competitive and just more of a chill game that your not meant sweat at it but I see your point
Maybe that was the initial thought of the game.. but at this point, the game has seemingly lost 95% of it's playerbase in less than a week... and even at it's peaks was underperforming.
A competitive spin would rejuvinate the game and keep players playing.
Good feedback!
Thanks!
i agree with moste things but i think that thare should be less relience on red stone i dont know how to feel about a battle pass its a 50$ game cs2 is still making money on skins even after going free
An optional battlepass would be a great addition I think.
it's microsoft, what did we expect?
Microsoft owns Age of Empires 4, and now Diablo 4... these games have done very well.
Can already tell that this is a goated vid prowl
Thanks!
Your welcome
I hope they listen, great video!
Thanks!
Makes one wonder if all of what you have said will come out as pay features in the future. Subscriptions for everything.
we boycott. such a new release that has no consumer loyalty yet could be absolutely KILLED by bad reception and press. they need to pander for atleast the next few months
Mojang delivers a game....... which turns out only to be 75% of a game!!! Don't worry, Prowl can help you out with the extra 25% 😂 It makes sense because if Legends starts losing customers, it will almost definitely be one or all of these issues that are causing the problems!!! Please Mojang, give us a Legendary game?!?!? (
Yes!
One Word: True
They need to add the ability to queue up with friends lol bad game
They are actually adding this in the next patch!
I love your content and idea, hope that they watch your video
Hello Prowl
Hi!
I think a ranked mode would be out of place in this game tbh. It does need work for pvp but forcing there to be a "casual" and "competitive" playerbase seems like a bad idea to me.
Also I totally disagree that the game "needs to be" a live service game and that "having fun playing the game isn't enough". This is a game based on minecraft, a game where there's literally no point other than to find your own way to have fun
Nah, separating if done right is good. It takes the really sweaty people out of the casual pool, and keeps them from stomping on kids.
@Prowl Minecraft when the queue times are already so long, it could kill this game I feel. Maybe if it picks up down the road but as is just making the public matchmaking be lightly skill-based makes it better. I also think having better communication would lead to a lot of problems naturally solving themselves as players have an easier time learning from each other and working together
No i dont want another battle pass system, its aids and boring and its why minecraft dungeons died im sick of that system and it takes up soo much development time the devs wont be able to add actual content. and how dumb are to suggest having a paid battle pass aswell? The game is not free to play and theres already a marketplace it doesnt need more micro transactions, understand this Battle passes are game killers look what happened to halo infinite, split gate and overwatch 2, all dead its a trash annoying system
Look at Fortnite, Apex Legends, Valorant, Age of Empires 4, Diablo 3, Diablo 4... it can absolutely work and work well, but it needs to have good free rewards, great paid rewards that are cosmetic only so that non-paying players aren't disadvantaged in any way... and the money earned from passes needs to go into new content for the game every few months.
The ones that succeed do this very well.
1 out of 10 but says the game fun …. Make sense 😭
Hes saying the multi-player is a 1 out 10. The gameplay is 8 out of 10
The gameplay is fun, but it's a 1/10 because there is literally no systems supporting any of it. Itll be a dead game due to basic public, featureless, 4v4 matchmaking not being enough to keep people playing.
@@Prowl8413 understandable I would love a rank mode and voice chat for your team
I hope they can add:
FINISHERS ( IF YOU KILL PLAYERS YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO PLAY FINISHER ANIMATION AND GET 50% OF YOUR HEALTH)
A bit much for Minecraft tbh
Not an interesting game
I think the game is extremely fun and interesting... just the PvP was poorly implemented
@@Prowl8413 sure. But I can't imagine any of your audience under the age of like 15 is gonna watch many videos about it
@@Ri-ver speak for yourself lol 😂 why do you care anyway... You don't like this content then don't watch legends videos. I can almost 100% guarantee your comment about younger people not wanting to watch these vids is absolutely wrong!
@@rynow1992 I am speaking for myself. But I also am involved in a lot of Minecraft communities whose members are in their 20's, and the general consensus in all of them is that this game doesn't have any viewing appeal. You're right, and I won't be watching the videos. But if I were a content creator, I'd want a wide range of feedback. This is just the side of feedback that you don't agree with, but that doesn't make it invalid.